Game Thread: Spurs vs Mavericks — Nov 3, 2021 - 7:30pm CT

[slick'81]

Wow McDermott, great D .not

[MultiTroll]

McDerrmot again a traffic cone on that drive and layup.

[Leetonidas]

:lmao

[itzsoweezee]

It's a layup line thanks to McNoD

[Robz4000]

:lmao Mc_ipshit

[J_Paco]

Also wtf has Lonnie Walker been doing this entire game
Dudes been completely invisible

His invisibility cloak was actived, and other than a few assists, he's done practically nothing, tonight.

DeJounte trying to force his will on the end of this game.

[slick'81]

Timeout dallas 102-103

[tbdog]

Hopefully McDermott can be benched for this defensive stop.

[lefty20]

For the love of god, please take McBuckets out for this defensive possession.

[Dverde]

Why is Dougie in there?

[slick'81]

God damn what a fxkn shot

[lefty20]

Can't defend any better than Vassell did there. AI gonna AI.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Rebound the fucking basketball my god

[MultiTroll]

Vassel youve got to force him to his weaker hand.

Was a good shot by Brunson tho.

[Robz4000]

Great defense by Vassell, better offense by the guy McDipshit allowed to get hot.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Keldon has ZERO rebounding awareness.

[J_Paco]

What a great contest and the fucker still makes it. Fuck!

[slick'81]

Is that rick brunson's son:lol

[Trill Clinton]

McDermott getting abused

[Slippy]

What?

Who the fuck is Yap? And Jock isn't going to bother Boban's shot anymore than Drew has.

The guy is massive and is nearly impossible to match up against size wise.

Anyway, the 4th quarter collapse happened with Boban off the floor.


Jock would body up better and has more lenth so yes would bother him. Boban to start the 4th was their offense . They made inroads into the score then.

[james evans]

it amazes me how shots go up and instead of crashing the boards, we're just looking at the rim thinking everything is gonna go in.

[Robz4000]

Welp, tank rolls on. At least the games have been exciting on the way to a top pick.

[slick'81]

Wow dejounte,wow

[james evans]

Welp, tank rolls on. At least the games have been exciting on the way to a top pick.
that's going to the G league and won't play for almost 2 years if at all.

[Dverde]

Good tank

[YoungbuckMurray]

Rebounding and FT’s 2 Achilles heels of this team

[Robz4000]

that's going to the G league and won't play for almost 2 years if at all.

:depressed

[Dverde]

Pop costing himself another win with bad lineups.

[DAF86]

Spurs' moral record: 7-1.

[slick'81]

Come on just give us a chance to tie

[vy65]

:lol fagget mckermit

[slick'81]

Welp (2-6)

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Good tank

:toast

[objective]

Pacers had the choice of McDermott and McConnell and chose McConnell without a second thought

Maybe lottery teams shouldn't overpay for 30 year old bad defenders ...

[Robz4000]

:lol Mavs choking

[Thomas82]

:lol Mavs choking

They don't want it.

[Sugus]

:lmao

[Proxy]

how does every fan know that you have to hit the rim and the players don't

[bbarry]

:lmao

[sananspursfan21]

Spurs' moral record: 7-1.

Can’t wait to win the moral chip!!! :lobt:

[Robz4000]

Keep rolling in these moral victories :toast

[YoungbuckMurray]

Wtf was that

[lefty20]

Perfect game for the Tank crew, tbh.

[J_Paco]

Jock would body up better and has more lenth so yes would bother him. Boban to start the 4th was their offense . They made inroads into the score then.

Boban has a reportedly 7'10" wingspan (nothing confirmed since he came out of Europe) compared to Jock's 7'2" wingspan, so needless to say Jock wouldn't bother him too much more.

[slick'81]

Fuuuuck

[boutons_deux]

Murray choking the FT ....

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

keldon :toast

[vy65]

Out of our free agent haul, the guy who hasn’t suited up yet is looking like the best signing

[itzsoweezee]

Forbes with the big ol -13 in 10 minutes.

Impressive work from the tank commander

[TimDunkem]

Who else had no confidence that the Spurs would get any sort of half-decent look there?

[Kurgan]

that's going to the G league and won't play for almost 2 years if at all.

our rookies need extra preparation to learn dat complex Spurs system aka passing up threes to brick floaters and mid-rangers

[Slippy]

Dumb play spurs came up with after the time-out.. haha

[james evans]

Once again, this is why you don't constantly use every fucking timeout you have to show that you are in charge. I truly don't understand how coaches run out of timeouts EVERY GAME. It makes no sense. You have multiple tv timeouts, freethrow shooting, and half time, but Popovich still for some reason every godamn game runs out of timeouts. HOW AND WHY???

[Proxy]

rather go for an easier pass that's deflected by boban than do that hail mary bullshit

[Leetonidas]

Frustrating watching another game you know SA could have won if Pop would quit playing retarded rotations

[HankChinaski]

I like McDermott but pop should have subbed out McDermott in the last 5 minutes with Thad Young or Lonnie Walker. They just ran pick n roll to get the McDermott off the switch.

[Mugen]

:lol Goddamn I'm loving Pop as the coach of this team tbh.

The TANK ROLLS ON!

[jbspurs]

2.7 secs left and the play seems like for a catch and shoot.

[slick'81]

Mcdermoot 42 mil lol

Boban owned our midgets

[TimDunkem]

Frustrating watching another game you know SA could have won if Pop would quit playing retarded rotations
Or how to draw up a play after losing all of his great assistants over the years.

[GAustex]

Great game
Interesting and The Tank rolls on
Spurs go small and Kidd punished Dougie McNoD

[Darius Bieber]

A lob pass catch and shoot play with 2.7 seconds left? Either Pop has completely lost his mind or he’s tanking. I hope he’s tanking.

[alfahdlan]

Tank goes on.

[Mugen]

I honestly can't think of a better start to the season tbh :lol

[gilmor2002]

There is a sequence in 3rd Quarter when they are up by 9 points; then they fumbled several possessions; there's where Mavericks caught up

[Mugen]

A lob pass catch and shoot play with 2.7 seconds left? Either Pop has completely lost his mind or he’s tanking. I hope he’s ranking.

That's the beauty of it, he's not tanking at all. He's just literally one of the worst coaches in the league :lol

He gets them motivated enough to play hard but is the worst in game coach in sports....

He literally doesn't even know that challenges exist, top 5 pick here we come baby!

[TimDunkem]

our rookies need extra preparation to learn dat complex Spurs system aka passing up threes to brick floaters and mid-rangers
You're being facetious but this is a good point.

What is there really to learn at this point? Hand off to big. Guys screen off ball. Guard comes back to ball. More screens. Hopefully someone gets open...Repeat until forced to throw up a brick or turn it over. Repeat.

SUCH COMPLEXITY.

[John B]

Lonnie had the last shot, AND again open for the easy pass.

But what lost the game was McDermott wasn’t able to defend, or Pop pulling him and maybe putting KBD and Vassell slides down to defend. If McD wasn’t shooting the 3’s. He has no business being inside.

[Kurgan]

Great game
Interesting and The Tank rolls on
Spurs go small and Kidd punished Dougie McNoD

When Jason Kidd is outcoaching you, it's time to hang it up.

[spurs10]

You have to be able to inbound the ball. A hail mary pass was pathetic.....jeez!

[Chomag]

Welp, tank rolls on. At least the games have been exciting on the way to a top pick. Yep, those top picks will be great for Austin, G league tournament championship here we come!

[John B]

There is a sequence in 3rd Quarter when they are up by 9 points; then they fumbled several possessions; there's where Mavericks caught up

Because Pop chose to do his minutes sub, and worst the guy with the hot hand Vassell that killed the momentum. Twice and against the same team

[R. DeMurre]

Spurs' starting forwards KJ & McDermott managed to secure 7 rebounds in a combined 57 minutes of play. That's one of the major themes of this team unfortunately. Combining one undersized forward with another who historically is a bad rebounder is always going to be a problem.

[slick'81]

Lol tank. Spurs literally giving everything they got,and cant finish

[Mugen]

Injuries have cost Derrick tbh, sucks. He's just not the same player.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Pop rode Doug for way too long in the second half, in his first game back no other. Dude was blatantly getting abused.

[John B]

Even Primo could’ve done a better job guarding Bronson, but that would hurt McD’s feelings

[John B]

I thought this team is about defense. The last few years Pop have been infatuated with players who can shoot 3’s but can’t guard sh*t

[slick'81]

Poor primo suave

[Robz4000]

Injuries have cost Derrick tbh, sucks. He's just not the same player.

Gonna give him until New Years before I write him off tbh, or he gets injured again.

[TimDunkem]

Maybe it's been so long that I don't remember a healthy Derrick White, but he seems like the same guy he's always been...or maybe that's the problem. Doesn't really look much different physically.

[Chomag]

And Primo got to sit there and rot watching the scrubs with not even a 10th his talent level...

[slick'81]

Maybe it's been so long that I don't remember a healthy Derrick White, but he seems like the same guy he's always been...or maybe that's the problem. Doesn't really look much different physically.


he always starts slow then begins to heat up. Then the inevitable injury. Rinse repeat

[slick'81]

Pop say's we need to be patient

[Mugen]

This team would be so fun to watch if Tre got more minutes and Primo got all of Forbes' minutes....

And they're already pretty fun to watch tbh :lol

[spurs1990]

:lol Goddamn I'm loving Pop as the coach of this team tbh.

The TANK ROLLS ON!

Pop doesn't leave until he gets win # 26. We need to root for some actual wins so we're not back here again a year from now

[spurraider21]

I thought this team is about defense. The last few years Pop have been infatuated with players who can shoot 3’s but can’t guard sh*t
dude our 2 biggest free agent signings were mcdermott and forms

[BackHome]

In Tank I Trust

[PhantomDashCam]

Tough to know what to make of this loss. A couple of definitives though:

That closing 5 man unit. Holy cow! Just when you thought you’ve seen them all.

Vassell was at times the best player on the floor.

Forbes is at times unplayable. Pop and co. need to make that determination in the first half. He can’t be eating up key minutes in the second half if it’s clear he’s overmatched.

[spurraider21]

mcdermott's presence on the roster is only justified if he is getting shots off at a very high rate. being on the floor for 25 minutes and only taking 2 shots (both 2 pointers) is unacceptable from him.

[Chomag]

Look at it this way... How F'ed is it that a player like Eubanks is getting more minutes in the NBA then Primo.

There are second rounders from last draft that are getting more playing time then him right now, it just makes no godamn sense .

[spurs1990]

Look at it this way... How F'ed is it that a player like Eubanks is getting more minutes in the NBA then Primo.

There are second rounders from last draft that are getting more playing time then him right now, it just makes no godamn sense .

75 year old coach
19 year old player

He's damn near 4x age of Primo. Hammond, Udoka, Bud, Borrega, Williams, Snyder. The whole dam lot would be playing Primo with this roster

[ismael-robert]

Called tanking

[MultiTroll]

Senor Senile drew up the final play?

[slick'81]

Called tanking

too bad spurs arent tanking

[GAustex]

Pop doesn't leave until he gets win # 26. We need to root for some actual wins so we're not back here again a year from now
A true double edged sword

[tim_duncan_fan]

mcdermott's presence on the roster is only justified if he is getting shots off at a very high rate. being on the floor for 25 minutes and only taking 2 shots (both 2 pointers) is unacceptable from him.

This team doesn't know how to use *anyone* effectively.

Devin was on tonight. But how many shots did he get in the 4th?

[Dennis the Menace]

The tank is upon us

[tbdog]

Maybe it's been so long that I don't remember a healthy Derrick White, but he seems like the same guy he's always been...or maybe that's the problem. Doesn't really look much different physically.

He is playing a different role. He was the Spurs point guard but Murray has been the point since his return.

[MannyIsGod]

Maybe it's been so long that I don't remember a healthy Derrick White, but he seems like the same guy he's always been...or maybe that's the problem. Doesn't really look much different physically.

Nah, people sold themselves on an all star level Derrick White but this is literally who the dude has always been.

[slick'81]

Lonnie white invisible yet again

[MannyIsGod]

Too many self inflicted wounds in the game tonight. This Spurs team, when at full health, has very little margin for error. When you remove Poetl and they do way worse on the boards, they have even less of a margin for error. They shot well enough to win tonight, but they gave away too many extra possessions to the Mavs. The Spurs were 43-88 to shoot 49%. That should be good enough. The problem is the Mavs were 40-93 (5 extra shots) and 21-29 from the FT line (Spurs were 15-20). The Spurs will not win many games where they give up 9 more free throws to go along with 5 more shots than the Mavs. Too many offensive rebounds and about 5 too many TOs (Spur have 5).


Pop can't keep playing Forbes if he wants to win games. Nothing he brings to the table is worth how bad he as at defense. Any spacing they get is not worth it at all. This teams identity has to be non stop defense and Forbes completely ruins that.

Spurs obviously have to win the next game.

[TDomination]

That's the beauty of it, he's not tanking at all. He's just literally one of the worst coaches in the league :lol

He gets them motivated enough to play hard but is the worst in game coach in sports....

He literally doesn't even know that challenges exist, top 5 pick here we come baby!

The sad thing is we’ll have the first top 5 pick to play in the g league.

[james evans]

If something doesn't change how we run this team after Popovich retires, we're gonna be the clippers for the next 30 years. This shit has to change. The players look like they're miserable and we coaching is terrible.

[Arcadian]

That was such a Spurs way to lose

[siraulo23]

good god, missed FTs and Jalen Bronson going off

good game from Vassell tho

[slick'81]

Someone bump the shoulda drafted Haliburton thread for all those expert takes


Tyrese had 20/4/7/4/2. Both he ,and devin are going to be good

[Fireball]

and another frustrating game ... cannot agree more with the broadcast team that Vassell was completely forgotten by his teammates while Bronson and Boban cooked and got the ball to score more

really would have liked to see Londale in this game ... Young now is televising his backdoor passes and they all get picked off ... useless

that block by Eubanks was one of the best I have seen ... props to him!!!

[Fireball]

just wondering...
what about our 2-5 record and double digit loss pounding where we gave up 131 pts with Poeltl (to a 1-6 team) made you feel we weren't already done?

then continue to wonder ...

[Slippy]

A lob pass catch and shoot play with 2.7 seconds left? Either Pop has completely lost his mind or he’s tanking. I hope he’s tanking.
Lob pass of hope. Still in disbelief thats what he came up with or just a inexperienced pass by Keldon.

[boutons_deux]

I think Keldon panicked about running out of the 5 sec inbound timer.

[slick'81]

Keldon definitely struggled getting the pass around boban. Then came the desperation heave with no timeout

[Dejounte]

So disappointed in Lonnie. What contract does he expect to earn with this kind of play? It’s like he’s unmasked himself as the true IG baller with all his talk and workout videos on social media and nothing to show for it.

[The Truth #6]

Pop seemed to be playing with fire with McB out there on the perimeter at the end. I *think* he was trying to "bait" them to have Brunson take the shots instead of Luka, which in the abstract makes some sense, but Brunson was playing better than Luka, so not sure about that one. Haters will think Pop was just being senile. I think he was just being too clever as he often does.

Keldon is not who I'd want to inbound the ball, maybe Young instead?, but the team is learning so perhaps in the big picture this is all just what we need to expect.

The game was close and exciting, and so I'm still digging the style of play. Overall, I'm impressed by Dejounte giving it his all and continuing to improve. I was on the fence of trading him but he seems to be making great strides with his shot and his overall style of play in getting others involved. Kudos to him.

Walker. I missed part of the game. Dejounte any details in what you are seeing/not seeing with him?

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/nba_math/status/1456261113000054796?s=21

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

guys, guys, guys ...


remember that we DON'T want to win games this year.

[duncan2k5]

Nah, people sold themselves on an all star level Derrick White but this is literally who the dude has always been.

never understood why ppl were considering a 27 year old injury prone guy who never averaged over 15ppg to be the future of the spurs...there are rookies on better teams that average more than that...and that was his best year! he is a good starter on a stacked team, or a good 6th man...by no means is he a star...he isn't even an all star...ppl need to stop overrating the dude...there are several of you that were calling him untradeable...smfh

[Seventyniner]

https://twitter.com/nba_math/status/1456261113000054796?s=21

I'll have to look into their methodology. It has the best players at the top so it doesn't automatically fail.

The list says Keldon Johnson is the 8th worst player in the league right now, though. I don't think I buy that.

I know it's early in the season, maybe I'll check on this stat again in another month or so.

[xellos88330]

Fucking free throws and 3pt % is killing the Spurs this year. Glad to see them be competitive in almost every game though. I hope these losses don't effect their energy levels for future games.

[Dex]

SpursTalk trolls: SPURS NEED TO TANK! WHAT IS THE POINT OF WINNING GAMES!? POP SUCKS!!

Spurs: start season 2-6 and are competitive in 7/8 games.

SpursTalk trolls: WHY ARE WE LOSING GAMES!? WE AREN'T TANKING! WE JUST SUCK AND POP SUCKS!!

:rolleyes

[Robz4000]

I'll have to look into their methodology. It has the best players at the top so it doesn't automatically fail.

The list says Keldon Johnson is the 8th worst player in the league right now, though. I don't think I buy that.

I know it's early in the season, maybe I'll check on this stat again in another month or so.

He's been pretty awful to be fair, though he isn't being put in a position to succeed.

[Dex]

I'll have to look into their methodology. It has the best players at the top so it doesn't automatically fail.

The list says Keldon Johnson is the 8th worst player in the league right now, though. I don't think I buy that.

I know it's early in the season, maybe I'll check on this stat again in another month or so.

Yeah, that's not ideal for one of our starters. And you can't even blame sample size.

For example, DJ is far and away our best player according to TPA, with Jock and Primo being 2nd and 3rd but in very limited minutes.

Meanwhile, both KJ and Lonnie are 3rd and 5th in minutes (respectively) and are still well into the negatives and some of our worst players (by TPA)

That said, according to this measure Poeltl has been our 6th best player and is barely in the positives, and that just doesn't seem to fit the eye test either. Poeltl has been working his ass off this season.

I don't think this list accurate measures impact vs. sample size, but something to keep an eye on as the season progresses.

[KingKev]

SpursTalk trolls: SPURS NEED TO TANK! WHAT IS THE POINT OF WINNING GAMES!? POP SUCKS!!

Spurs: start season 2-6 and are competitive in 7/8 games.

SpursTalk trolls: WHY ARE WE LOSING GAMES!? WE AREN'T TANKING! WE JUST SUCK AND POP SUCKS!!

:rolleyes

Seriously. Start of this year is a success to me. We are largely competitive against good teams. Player development, confidence remains high despite close losses. On our way to a top 10 lottery pick. Now if we could extract value from guys like White, Walker and Thad in the trade market i’d be a happy camper.

[Arcadian]

I mean, it's never a good place to be when losing is the best strategy :lol

Maybe we get a lottery pick who busts, and it was all for nothing.

[Dex]

I mean, it's never a good place to be when losing is the best strategy :lol

Maybe we get a lottery pick who busts, and it was all for nothing.

Been my argument for a long time.

Most of the people calling to tank seem to think that another Duncan is going to come walking through those doors. That's not going to be the case.

Otherwise, quit your bitching and try to find a way to enjoy watching the Spur lose a lot of games.

[wildbill2u]

Keldon is playing like he needs to show something. And he does. Unfortunately, his frantic attempts to play hero can't be backed up by a skill set that he can go to without being countered. I'm referring to his maniacal drives into the lane when the opponent has stuffed it with defenders. Sure, it looks great when he makes a basket under those circumstances but his TO rate and shooting percentages are illuminating his limitations. I think he needed one of our guards to come bail him out when he was covered up by Boban at the end. He simply wasn't skilled enough to get that pass in and Young probably would have been a better option.

Meanwhile, where do you play a player who is a "tweener" without a natural position and without special skills to overcome the liabilities he has physically (size) and shooting.

[SAGirl]

I'll have to look into their methodology. It has the best players at the top so it doesn't automatically fail.

The list says Keldon Johnson is the 8th worst player in the league right now, though. I don't think I buy that.

I know it's early in the season, maybe I'll check on this stat again in another month or so.
Keldon really is overrated or, he's played out of position and needs a PF who can rebound and defrnd, but then again his lack of shooting makes his fit as a SF not good. Ideally he's not a 30 mpg player while he's shooting so poorly. That's as he is right now, he could improve but for now...

I think Vassell is better and should be starting.

[SAGirl]

Keldon is playing like he needs to show something. And he does. Unfortunately, his frantic attempts to play hero can't be backed up by a skill set that he can go to without being countered. I'm referring to his maniacal drives into the lane when the opponent has stuffed it with defenders. Sure, it looks great when he makes a basket under those circumstances but his TO rate and shooting percentages are illuminating his limitations. I think he needed one of our guards to come bail him out when he was covered up by Boban at the end. He simply wasn't skilled enough to get that pass in and Young probably would have been a better option.

Meanwhile, where do you play a player who is a "tweener" without a natural position and without special skills to overcome the liabilities he has physically (size) and shooting.
I agree Young is a better passer. All I can think of is maybe Pop wanted this to be a teaching moment but I am not sure.

[Dex]

Keldon really is overrated or, he's played out of position and needs a PF who can rebound and defrnd, but then again his lack of shooting makes his fit as a SF not good. Ideally he's not a 30 mpg player while he's shooting so poorly. That's as he is right now, he could improve but for now...

Yeah, his three point shot has really just....fallen off the cliff this year.

He always had an awkward form where he kinda shot-puts it with a huge arc. Similar to Bonner's, but less aesthetic if that makes sense.

Sure, it looks great when it goes in, but other times its not even close. That is not the sign of a consistent shooter.

He is shooting an abysmal 14.3% on 2.6 attempts this season after shooting 33.1% last year....so hopefully the tide will turn. Otherwise, that hurts his value significantly....he can't just barrel into the basket for all of his points.

[R. DeMurre]

Yeah, his three point shot has really just....fallen off the cliff this year.

He always had an awkward form where he kinda shot-puts it with a huge arc. Similar to Bonner's, but less aesthetic if that makes sense.

Sure, it looks great when it goes in, but other times its not even close. That is not the sign of a consistent shooter.

He is shooting an abysmal 14.3% on 2.6 attempts this season after shooting 33.1% last year....so hopefully the tide will turn. Otherwise, that hurts his value significantly....he can't just barrel into the basket for all of his points.


To be honest, none of the young core guys have shown any significant growth as 3 pt shooters. White and Dejounte have been up and down without any permanent leaps forward, and Walker and Johnson have seemingly regressed. That's why I always roll my eyes at the all-too-frequent assessment during the pre draft period that players with poor shooting can easily be fixed by a few months in the gym with Chip... it's rarely that easy.

[Chinook]

I'll have to look into their methodology. It has the best players at the top so it doesn't automatically fail.

The list says Keldon Johnson is the 8th worst player in the league right now, though. I don't think I buy that.

I know it's early in the season, maybe I'll check on this stat again in another month or so.

My memory of TPA is that it's an aggregate version of BPM but with less nuance than, say, VORP. I haven't found it very useful. I don't want to create the perception that I don't like it because Murray ranks highly in it, as DJM is ranking well in other stats too. I just think it's someone taking a stat and transforming it in ways it specifically wasn't meant to be used. Basically if BPM is going to be transformed, it should be per game played and not aggregate to reduce the "win more" effect. It also creates situations where high-impact guys who play fewer minutes are considered to be less effective than lower-impact players who play a ton of minutes. That stat could provide some context but is easily misleading if used in most contexts.

[Dex]

To be honest, none of the young core guys have shown any significant growth as 3 pt shooters. White and Dejounte have been up and down without any permanent leaps forward, and Walker and Johnson have seemingly regressed. That's why I always roll my eyes at the all-too-frequent assessment during the pre draft period that players with poor shooting can easily be fixed by a few months in the gym with Chip... it's rarely that easy.

Yeah...I hate to say it, but Chip may have lost his touch with this young crew. The last success story he had was Kawhi, but Kawhi came in with decent form and is frankly a freak of nature sometimes.

Based on the way we have started off shooting from both the free-throw line and the three-point line...I'd have to imagine the shooting coach seat is starting to feel a little warm.

[JeffDuncan]

I agree Young is a better passer. All I can think of is maybe Pop wanted this to be a teaching moment but I am not sure.


Of the group on the floor - Murray, White, Walker, Vassell, and Keldon - Keldon probably got the assignment, to inbound the ball, because he's the weakest shooter, out of that group.

Also, the reason Keldon was out there at all was apparently because Pop wanted him to be the ersatz center in that madly small lineup.

It was nuts. Suddenly deciding that Keldon is the center, very late in a close game, is a move that could be called, um, "eccentric." Or call it just plain bat flapping crazy.

Pop is a good strategist. There have even been times, now and then, when his overall game plans have been brilliant.

But he's a poor tactician. He's poor at designing individual plays, and not good at reacting to individual situations. Especially, his inbound plays have been seen to fail spectacularly, a lot more than once.

The player you would want, in a situation like that, would be one with a proven ability to make a good bounce pass. Throw over Boban?? Lotsa luck. You need to borrow the Coyote's T-shirt cannon to throw over Boban. So you do a quick fake of a high pass then do a bounce pass under him, is the best bet. Either White or Murray should have been doing the inbounds, because they're the best at a bounce pass, as far as I know.

And if Pop wanted shooters on the floor, but not Young or Eubanks, he could have used Landale, an actual center, instead of Keldon. The thought of that never crossed Pop's mind, I am sure.

[talkspurs]

So disappointed in Lonnie. What contract does he expect to earn with this kind of play? It’s like he’s unmasked himself as the true IG baller with all his talk and workout videos on social media and nothing to show for it.

Ive been saying it for over 2 years when most people wanted to trade DJ and make lonnie the Start. I was constant on saying DJ was better. rarely did I talk bad about Walker as I like to see all of our players succeed but there are a few times where I said he should eb traded..

[Dejounte]

I'll have to look into their methodology. It has the best players at the top so it doesn't automatically fail.

The list says Keldon Johnson is the 8th worst player in the league right now, though. I don't think I buy that.

I know it's early in the season, maybe I'll check on this stat again in another month or so.

I like Keldon as much as the next guy but I can agree that his level of play has been underwhelming and will go as far as saying he’s been one of the worst players in the league. I believe he’s out there still learning the ropes so to me, he’s not entirely hopeless. With that said, even if he never turns into a great player, I will still be a big fan because of how much he’s embraced the city, does things around the community, and proudly represents the team.

[spurraider21]

I like Keldon as much as the next guy but I can agree that his level of play has been underwhelming and will go as far as saying he’s been one of the worst players in the league. I believe he’s out there still learning the ropes so to me, he’s not entirely hopeless. With that said, even if he never turns into a great player, I will still be a big fan because of how much he’s embraced the city, does things around the community, and proudly represents the team.
just because he's not looking like he'll "have a primary scoring role" or be a very good starter, at the very least he'd be a very good energy bench player who can get some buckets and hustle on defense and the boards

cant close the book yet, but his ability to survive as a starter is contingent on him being an acceptable 3 point shooter. dejounte to his credit has done that. he's not a "good" 3 point shooter, but he's serviceable enough. keldon has to get at least to that point

[Dejounte]

just because he's not looking like he'll "have a primary scoring role" or be a very good starter, at the very least he'd be a very good energy bench player who can get some buckets and hustle on defense and the boards

cant close the book yet, but his ability to survive as a starter is contingent on him being an acceptable 3 point shooter. dejounte to his credit has done that. he's not a "good" 3 point shooter, but he's serviceable enough. keldon has to get at least to that point

Nah, not even a good bench player. One of the worst in the league tbh

the changes that need to happen are both KBD and Vassell starting over White and Keldon. I can understand continuing to start Keldon for developmental purposes, but excuses are going to run out soon for White starting over Vassell. That’s a bigger travesty than Forbes getting minutes over anyone. And that has nothing to do with Vassell being a better individual player than White… if he is or isn’t— I don’t care. Advanced metrics so far are showing that Vassell works better with most of the core players getting minutes.