Dang, Corvettes a lot safer than I thought...

[CosmicCowboy]

Rigg's air bags went off at 127mph when it blew up the Rav4 and he and his girlfriend both walked away. Thats crazy.

[RandomGuy]

Rigg's air bags went off at 127mph when it blew up the Rav4 and he and his girlfriend both walked away. Thats crazy.

Ruggs and the car he hit were going in the same direction. You can estimate the speed of the car he hit by looking at the speed limit sign in the picture below.

https://static.independent.co.uk/2021/11/02/18/Raiders_Ruggs_Vehicle_Crash_Football_92205.jpg?wid th=982&height=726&auto=webp&quality=75

Given most people tend to drive 5mph over the speed limit, that gives a speed of 50mph with the mitigating factor that the vehicle they hit was able to accelerate a bit during the milliseconds of impact, any little bit that extends the length of time of energy transfer makes a difference (look up crumple zones).

77 mph crash only has 36% of the kinetic energy of a 127mph crash. (1/2 m * v^2) (mass cancels out, so just square the velocity to re-calc) https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/physics/kinetic.php

A lot of the energy also sort of went UNDER the car they impacted, further making it a bit less severe than hitting a stationary brick wall.

Sucks for the car they hit, because that is where the gas tank is, and I would guess that it almost certainly ruptured, hence the fire. Witnesses say they heard screaming from inside the vehicle.

https://dui-news.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Henry-Ruggs-car-crash-Shocking-details-of-how-victim-died.jpeg

[RandomGuy]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052533/Worlds-fastest-crash-test-Car-smashes-wall-120mph-speed-family-runarounds-hit.html

This is what hitting a stationary solid object at 120mph looks like. That is how you know the corvette and the car were traveling in the same direction.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/23/article-2052533-0E7EAB9D00000578-307_964x541.jpg

[DarrinS]

Or, they can read the event data recorder. Durrr

Also, striking a barrier is a lot different than striking another vehicle.

Maybe don't pretend to be an expert on everything, RG.


Lol, using the speed limit sign.

[baseline bum]

Hope that pos has to do 20 for that.

[Thread]

Hope that pos has to do 20 for that.

He's already free and searching for Carr and love, lots of it.

[DarrinS]

According to an arrest report, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police analyzed the airbag control module from Ruggs' Corvette and determined the car was moving at 156 mph 2.5 seconds before the crash, "prior to algorithm enabled." It was recorded at 127 mph "at time zero," around the moment of the crash.



Yep

[spurraider21]

but people have died even when airbags have gone off so stop pretending they can prevent death

[boutons_deux]

Hope that pos has to do 20 for that.

vehicular homicide by a DUI black in AL? :lol

[Thread]

vehicular homicide by a DUI black in AL? :lol

...nonetheless he'll be feted and loved. Lot's of it.

[pgardn]

Or, they can read the event data recorder. Durrr

Also, striking a barrier is a lot different than striking another vehicle.

Maybe don't pretend to be an expert on everything, RG.


Lol, using the speed limit sign.

This is exactly the point he was trying to make I thought?
Ruggs would be absolutely dead if it had been a barrier.

And the speed limit sign is a good way of "approximating" the speed the OTHER car was going.
Whats wrong with this?

So an airbag control module is the same as an event recording device. What was the avg. acceleration of both cars during the collision?
I would like to know just for the hell of it.

[DarrinS]

This is exactly the point he was trying to make I thought?
Ruggs would be absolutely dead if it had been a barrier.

And the speed limit sign is a good way of "approximating" the speed the OTHER car was going.
Whats wrong with this?

So an airbag control module is the same as an event recording device. What was the avg. acceleration of both cars during the collision?
I would like to know just for the hell of it.


ACM == EDR (same thing, different name)

Toyota RAV4 has one, too.

They both record pre impact speed and Delta-V (change in velocity).

Even if you only have data for the corvette, you can calculate speed and Delta-V for the Toyota using conservation of momentum.

[pgardn]

Rigg's air bags went off at 127mph when it blew up the Rav4 and he and his girlfriend both walked away. Thats crazy.

Saw another picture of his car.
This is exactly how the front of the car is supposed to look after a bad crash. It dissipated a hell of a lot of energy by folding up like it did and leaving the "cab" intact. Chevy should use this as a model for how safe their Corvettes are so we all can go driving city streets at 156 mph.
This is seriously fd up.
156 mph on a city street... The only way my truck could reach that kind of speed would be falling off a cliff.

And Ruggs had a friend who died in a car he was supposed to be in? If the dude has any conscience he will be fd up for the rest of his life. Dont think I would want to live after having to endure this.

This will not go over well either:
Mr. Rodriguez did not have a good night either. Or for possibly the rest of his life.
She may have not died immediately. Totally fd up.

Alexander Hart, a security guard at nearby condo complex, "heard screaming coming from the area of the Toyota so he went to render aid there," according to a report by LVMPD Detective Dwaine McCuistion.
"He attempted to extract the driver but was soon overcome with smoke and heat from the flames," McCuistion wrote.
Motorist Tony Rodriguez was on Spring Valley Parkway when he pulled over to Tintor's burning car, he told police.
"Mr. Rodriguez stated he tried to extract the driver of the Toyota as it was on fire," according to McCuistion's report.
"He stated he grabbed the driver and tried to pull her out of the car but she was stuck or pinned in the car. Mr. Rodriguez then explained how he was overcome with smoke and heat from the fire and had to back away from the car."

[DarrinS]

vehicular homicide by a DUI black in AL? :lol

AL?

[pgardn]

ACM == EDR (same thing, different name)

Toyota RAV4 has one, too.

They both record pre impact speed and Delta-V (change in velocity).

Even if you only have data for the corvette, you can calculate speed and Delta-V for the Toyota using conservation of momentum.

No you cant use just cons. of momentum. That can only be used if the only force present is between the cars. Quite clearly friction brought them both to a halt. So there is some other data needed. The time in which the impact took place. That should be a very short moment and only include the time the where the cars were in contact. Would work with a real EVENT recorder as I understand it. But yeah they might be the same thing so time should be in there. I know they can reproduce these things for wrecks. did you find the time they were in contact because you said you found delta V? (and even during this time friction with the road is still a factor but they can work with it)

[DarrinS]

No you cant use just cons. of momentum. That can only be used if the only force present is between the cars. Quite clearly friction brought them both to a halt. So there is some other data needed. The time in which the impact took place. That should be a very short moment and only include the time the where the cars were in contact. I know they can reproduce these things for wrecks. did you find the time they were in contact because you said you found delta V? (and even during this time friction with the road is still a factor but they can work with it)

:lol friction

M1 * DV1 = M2 * DV2

No time in this eq.

[pgardn]

:lol friction

M1 * DV1 = M2 * DV2

No time in this eq.

Darrin...

YOU NEED TIME. The equation the conservation of momentum came from is F*t = change in momentum of either car. If the only F (force) is the contact between the cars, then you can assume both cars "felt" the same impact (F*t) and thus you can DERIVE the conservation of momentum.

The conservation of momentum works fully if the ONLY force is the contact between the cars.
Friction with the road is present the entire time on both of the cars.






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[pgardn]

So Darrin you found delta v apparently. What was the time the cars where estimated to be in contact. I would just like to know what kind of accelerations the occupants felt. Thats all. So you got a link or time? Thanks.

[pgardn]

:lol friction

M1 * DV1 = M2 * DV2

No time in this eq.

And that equation is incorrect. You need two V's for both cars. Before and after impact (only between the cars) once they are not touching there is no force they are applying to each other and friction with the road brings them to a halt.

[Will Hunting]

vehicular homicide by a DUI black in AL? :lol
Are you trying to defend the guy for killing somebody due to sheer recklessness? I can't tell.

[DarrinS]

Darrin...

YOU NEED TIME. The equation the conservation of momentum came from is F*t = change in momentum of either car. If the only F (force) is the contact between the cars, then you can assume both cars "felt" the same impact (F*t) and thus you can DERIVE the conservation of momentum.

The conservation of momentum works fully if the ONLY force is the contact between the cars.
Friction with the road is present the entire time on both of the cars.






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Friction forces are negligible compared to collision force

[Will Hunting]

How did such a benign thread turn into an argument so quickly :lol

[pgardn]

Friction forces are negligible compared to collision force

Okay we will go with that.

What was the time the cars were impacting each other?

[DarrinS]

And that equation is incorrect. You need two V's for both cars. Before and after impact (only between the cars) once they are not touching there is no force they are applying to each other and friction with the road brings them to a halt.

The delta is the change, i.e. before and after.

[DarrinS]

Okay we will go with that.

What was the time the cars were impacting each other?

It does not matter. The delta-v is measure of collision severity and a surrogate measure for injury potential.

Collision duration is typically around 120 msec. I suspect slightly longer for this crash.

[pgardn]

It does not matter. The delta-v is measure of collision severity and a surrogate measure for injury potential.

Collision duration is typically around 120 msec. I suspect slightly longer for this crash.

It does to matter if you want acceleration.
You cannot get acceleration directly from the conservation of momentum. It has to be delta V/ time, or F =ma (F/m = a)
Thats what I requested.
You already gave me an incorrect equation.

Thanks for the time, Why do you suspect longer?

[DarrinS]

It does to matter if you want acceleration.
Thats what I requested.
You already gave me an incorrect equation.

Why do you suspect longer?


I gave you no incorrect equation.

I suspect longer duration because partial underride.


If I had the EDR data, I could give you the amt of time. About where DV time series hits plateau.


https://expertwitness.trl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Post-collision-%E2%80%9CCrash-Pulse%E2%80%9D-showing-longitudinal-Delta-V-1024x531.gif



At the end of the day, accident reconstructionists use delta-v, not acceleration.

[SnakeBoy]

Ruggs and the car he hit were going in the same direction. You can estimate the speed of the car he hit by looking at the speed limit sign in the picture below.

https://static.independent.co.uk/2021/11/02/18/Raiders_Ruggs_Vehicle_Crash_Football_92205.jpg?wid th=982&height=726&auto=webp&quality=75



Can you use other clues from the picture to triangulate the location?

[pgardn]

:lol friction

M1 * DV1 = M2 * DV2

No time in this eq.

IN ENGLISH, what do each of these symbols stand for.
I assume 1 and 2 represent the two different cars.

[hater]

Well Im glad Corvettes and the drunk bastards that drive them are safe.


Rav4s are damn safe cars so that pig of a human must have hit it at abive 150mph

They should chop that.bastards.legs. at a minimum

Niga thought he was playing Rocket League smh

[DarrinS]

IN ENGLISH, what do each of these symbols stand for.
I assume 1 and 2 represent the two different cars.

M = mass
V = velocity
1,2 = vehicle number
a = after crash
b = before crash

M1*V1a + M2*V2a = M1*V1b + M2*V2b

Momentum after = Momentum before

M1 (V1a - V1b) = M2 (V2a - V2b)

M1 * DV1 = M2 * DV2

Change in momentum for vehicle 1 = Change in momentum for vehicle 2

:tu

[SnakeBoy]

How did such a benign thread turn into an argument so quickly :lol

Newton's third law

[Winehole23]

but people have died even when airbags have gone off so stop pretending they can prevent deathsame deal with bulletproof vests, they don't prevent you 100% from getting shot, why are they worn at all?

[hater]

I just learned that airbags are really borderline improvement in fatal car crashes tbqh. Statistically they have saved a small # of ppl. Seat belts on the other hand are a crucial lifesaver.

Also too many variables in car crashes. Look at Tiger Woods. Dude survived I believe he hit a tree at 180mph? But was extremely lucky at the angle. A few more degrees.and that mofo would be playing golf with Kobe, Mccain, Powell and the Cenobites.

[CosmicCowboy]

Tiger wasn't going 180.

[hater]

Tiger wasn't going 180.

Haha meant 80mph. Butbactuly says almost 90.

My point stands.

[DarrinS]

This is why simple physics equations doesn't work. Was all the force of one car going against the force of another car? Probably not ...

:lmao

[DarrinS]

Not only was he drunk and speeding, but evidently, he also violated Newton's third law. :lmao

[DMC]

Or, they can read the event data recorder. Durrr

Also, striking a barrier is a lot different than striking another vehicle.

Maybe don't pretend to be an expert on everything, RG.


Lol, using the speed limit sign.

RG really tries hard to sell the notion that he's educated but even a simple glance at his posts makes it abundantly obvious he's a Google regurgitation machine in the mold of Wild Cobra. Just like that *snap* he has the answer.. just like that.

[DMC]

This is exactly the point he was trying to make I thought?
Ruggs would be absolutely dead if it had been a barrier.

And the speed limit sign is a good way of "approximating" the speed the OTHER car was going.
Whats wrong with this?

So an airbag control module is the same as an event recording device. What was the avg. acceleration of both cars during the collision?
I would like to know just for the hell of it.

Apply that to both vehicles

[DMC]

Not only was he drunk and speeding, but evidently, he also violated Newton's third law. :lmao

It's a discriminatory law anyhow

[DMC]

This is why simple physics equations doesn't work. Was all the force of one car going against the force of another car? Probably not (due to angle of impact and crumple of car distributing energy in weird ways). So that throws away all of y'alls stupid equations. We need to apply drag, friction, maybe more forces. Physics problems are not real life (ex. frictionless rope). That should be the first thing you get out of physics.

Ain't you got a bomb to diffuse? Get after it son.

[pgardn]

M = mass
V = velocity
1,2 = vehicle number
a = after crash
b = before crash

M1*V1a + M2*V2a = M1*V1b + M2*V2b

Momentum after = Momentum before

M1 (V1a - V1b) = M2 (V2a - V2b)

M1 * DV1 = M2 * DV2

Change in momentum for vehicle 1 = Change in momentum for vehicle 2

:tu

Yep.
Thanks.

[pgardn]

Apply that to both vehicles

Why ?
when you have the info on the corvette?

[pgardn]

I gave you no incorrect equation.

I suspect longer duration because partial underride.


If I had the EDR data, I could give you the amt of time. About where DV time series hits plateau.


https://expertwitness.trl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Post-collision-%E2%80%9CCrash-Pulse%E2%80%9D-showing-longitudinal-Delta-V-1024x531.gif



At the end of the day, accident reconstructionists use delta-v, not acceleration.

Uhhh darrin...

Do you know what the SLOPE of that line is?
Now you might understand DV/Dt = guess what????
You put up a V/t graph... did you realize this? Its versus TIME, t...

All I wanted was a "feeling" for the acceleration the occupants might have percieved.
And just to be complete. "We" need to decide which units to use. Since in the English system ft/sec/sec is accepted for the standard, and g = 32 ft/ sec/sec, guess what? You can represent the acceleration in g's, which is very OFTEN used to make this understandable to the general public. One can actually just lie on the floor and fell the pressing, the force of gravity (actually the normal force back on you). And then you know its like feeling 1g of acceleration without actually accelerating because the floor must be pushing back on you with the same force as gravity pulls you down.

People can understand this a bit better.
So from your graph, WHICH HAS TIME, how many g's did the occupants feel? Even though this does not have the correct speeds and looks closer to a ~90 msec impact. You must have time of the impact (when the cars are in contanct) to get an idea of what accelerations they might have felt.

[pgardn]

How did such a benign thread turn into an argument so quickly :lol

RG bashing by people who might need a bashing as well.

[CosmicCowboy]

how many g's did the occupants feel?

Don't know how many G's they felt but they apparently felt about 1500 F's.

[pgardn]

It does not matter. The delta-v is measure of collision severity and a surrogate measure for injury potential.

Collision duration is typically around 120 msec. I suspect slightly longer for this crash.

Delta v on its own means absolutely nothing.
There are barriers on the highway that serve to bring your speed from very high to zero. These are COLLISIONS. These barriers are designed to change the impulse to the car. They serve to make the Force on the car less and the TIME longer and cause exactly the same change in momentum and give you exactly the same delta V.

Its totally ridiculous to only use change in V. It means nothing alone and without a given amount of time. Its totally ridiculous. You can have a car going 100 mph and come to a complete stop over a 10 sec time period. So the delta V is 100. Then have the same delta V over 0.1 seconds. This results in a force 100 X different on the car. These two different times are essential. Thats why barriers that do not "give" are not good to run into. The stop you very quickly with a very large force.

[Trainwreck2100]

Rigg's air bags went off at 127mph when it blew up the Rav4 and he and his girlfriend both walked away. Thats crazy.

it didnt blow up the rav4, apparently the fire started small but because they couldn't get her out she burned alive. If he hits anything that wasn't a vehicle with elevation he's probably dead as well

[pgardn]

This is why simple physics equations doesn't work. Was all the force of one car going against the force of another car? Probably not (due to angle of impact and crumple of car distributing energy in weird ways). So that throws away all of y'alls stupid equations. We need to apply drag, friction, maybe more forces. Physics problems are not real life (ex. frictionless rope). That should be the first thing you get out of physics.

This is true there are lots of variables but we can get a ball park estimation of the kind of forces and accelerations produced on the occupants.
And this can give you a better feeling for the types of anatomically damage people will get. I mean you could theoretically put some one on a jet sled start them at 160 mph and bring them to a stop in a short time to see if their eyes pop out. But the actual wrecks help with safety to the anatomy. And they tell the car manufacturers to create "crunch zones" in the car itself that help to dissipate the energy or in other words, act exactly like an air bag or padding would built into the structure of the car. None of it is ever perfect but we have done a pretty amazing jobs at making high speed crashes not result in death. This was a good example from CC.

[pgardn]

it didnt blow up the rav4, apparently the fire started small but because they couldn't get her out she burned alive. If he hits anything that wasn't a vehicle with elevation he's probably dead as well

This was horrific.
I dont know how the people who have to clean these things up do it.
Good luck to the families living normal lives. 150 mph on a city street is just trying to kill or get killed.

[DarrinS]

Delta v on its own means absolutely nothing.
There are barriers on the highway that serve to bring your speed from very high to zero. These are COLLISIONS. These barriers are designed to change the impulse to the car. They serve to make the Force on the car less and the TIME longer and cause exactly the same change in momentum and give you exactly the same delta V.

Its totally ridiculous to only use change in V. It means nothing alone and without a given amount of time. Its totally ridiculous. You can have a car going
100 mph and come to a complete stop over a 10 sec time period. So the delta V is 100. Then have the same delta V over 0.1 seconds. This results in a force 100 X different on the car. These two different times are essential. Thats why barriers that do not "give" are not good to run into. The stop you very quickly with a very large force.

Yeah, but that's not a crash.

Delta-v is accepted as a measure of crash severity because of the known duration of vehicle-to-vehicle crashes.

Some types of collisions are exceptions, e.g. Dale Earnhardt

[Trainwreck2100]

ngl though i was pretty divested from this story till i saw the video of his pos goldigging GF call for help for him, while someone innocent is burning in the background. Damn shame his enablers get off scot free

[RandomGuy]

Or, they can read the event data recorder. Durrr

Also, striking a barrier is a lot different than striking another vehicle.

Maybe don't pretend to be an expert on everything, RG.


Lol, using the speed limit sign.

I work for an insurance company as an auditor, and review hundreds of claims per year, most of them auto, so yeah, I am a fucking expert, you dipshit.

The other vehicles speed is purely an educated guess, absent any kind of blackbox data, but was obviously going the same direction from the pattern and magnitude of the damage on the other vehicle, and the fact that the front wheels on the corvette weren't shoved into the frame.

Yes, striking a barrier is vastly different from striking a vehicle, it was meant to be more illustrative of the difference in overall kinetic energy. I have personally reviewed crashes, police reports, pictures and all, with vehicles traveling in excess of 100mph, and have a fair sense of how fast vehicles are going based mostly on the patterns and scale of damage.

[RandomGuy]

Yeah, but that's not a crash.

Delta-v is accepted as a measure of crash severity because of the known duration of vehicle-to-vehicle crashes.

Some types of collisions are exceptions, e.g. Dale Earnhardt

you are both right. jeez. sorry I said anything.

[RandomGuy]

It does not matter. The delta-v is measure of collision severity and a surrogate measure for injury potential.

Collision duration is typically around 120 msec. I suspect slightly longer for this crash.

correct.

[RandomGuy]

I gave you no incorrect equation.

I suspect longer duration because partial underride.


If I had the EDR data, I could give you the amt of time. About where DV time series hits plateau.


https://expertwitness.trl.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Post-collision-%E2%80%9CCrash-Pulse%E2%80%9D-showing-longitudinal-Delta-V-1024x531.gif



At the end of the day, accident reconstructionists use delta-v, not acceleration.

also correct. The underride was what I was referring to. not a huge factor in the end, but every foot counts when considering the force.

[RandomGuy]

Can you use other clues from the picture to triangulate the location?

Well played. Topical, funny, good snark level. 10/10

Seriously. One of your better efforts. Even being the target of the snark, I laughed.

[RandomGuy]

but people have died even when airbags have gone off so stop pretending they can prevent death

Especially this idiot.

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gluing-rocks-on-your-steering-wheel-isn-t-good-karma-it-s-tempting-it-118454_1.jpg

[DarrinS]

I work for an insurance company as an auditor, and review hundreds of claims per year, most of them auto, so yeah, I am a fucking expert, you dipshit



Nice. I did accident reconstruction for 20+ years and have collected EDR data form hundreds of vehicles.

[pgardn]

Ok then thats cool stuff I learned.

Most crashes, car to car, have a known duration that is much the same. I would not have thought this knowing how different it is slamming into a concrete barrier and knowing cars have very different "give" in them. Like some WWII army vehicle that was made for bullet penetration, not crashing into another vehicle.

But the graph given does in fact allow one to determine avg. acceleration during that ~120 msec time frame.
So the graph given, where was this from? It goes from 0 to (-)12 mph...

[pgardn]

Newton's third law

I personally believe this is probably one of the most non intuitive of the so called "basic" laws.
People read the same thing out loud "action-reaction" bs and think they know the profound nature of this idea.
Its really kind of crazy this works. Especially on the quantum level. It makes the whole idea of momentum take off to great significance to the universe.
Its quite wild imo...

[RandomGuy]

Nice. I did accident reconstruction for 20+ years and have collected EDR data form hundreds of vehicles.

Props. I kinda figured something like that based on what you were saying.

So we both know what we are talking about here.

So the forum has actual lawyers, and people who know a lot about car crashes :lol

[RandomGuy]

How did such a benign thread turn into an argument so quickly :lol

Pgarden is a physics nerd, Darrin found a thread in which his professional expertise was exactly relevant. It is a black swan event.

[pgardn]

Pgarden is a physics nerd, Darrin found a thread in which his professional expertise was exactly relevant. It is a black swan event.

Im really a biochemistry/molecular biology at work. But I like the "clean" nature of physics. And I am definitely not equipped mathematically to handle modern physics to my satisfaction and never will be. If nerd implies curiosity then okay. If it implies some excessive abilities... thats not me.

You guys have to deal with a lot of these incidents so the finding that the time that two cars are in contact is very much the same time was a revelation for me. And me alone it seems. I was looking at this as having a lot of variation because I was looking at a "crash" as any collision between two objects. You guys pare it down to todays cars and were taught or learned that through a whole bunch of car crashes the time in contact is very much the same which I found to be pretty damn amazing. So yes, if that stays the same the change in velocity is the real variable. Some objects completely change direction in crashes I imagine if they hit head on going opposite directions so this would create a very large change in velocity. If that had happened in this crash... I guess we would likely have 3 dead people and 1 dead dog. Also the whole idea of the conservation of momentum as a very useful concept universally rests on the very simple case that two objects that collide must exert exactly the same amount of Force on each other for the same amount of Time. The same amount of force is the third law at work and is counter intuitive even though it is taught like everyone should know it. Conservation of momentum and energy are huge ideas in particle physics. So when Darrin threw time aside I was dumbfounded. But you guys are dealing with very specific types of collisions.

And I imagine you guys have found some strange things in which people lived or died due to bizarre circumstances such as things in the car flying around or objects getting airborne, people getting airborne... unforeseen things. I do appreciate you guys entertaining my questions though. And I dont mean to belittle the tragedy of the accident. This need for speed thing needs to be experienced in an amusement park, not city streets.

rambling done.

[DMC]

Damn, RG and pgardn getting sonned ITT.

You hate to see it

[DMC]

Props. I kinda figured something like that based on what you were saying.

So we both know what we are talking about here.

So the forum has actual lawyers, and people who know a lot about car crashes :lol

:lol no

You're a claims adjuster. You don't know shit.

[pgardn]

Damn, RG and pgardn getting sonned ITT.

You hate to see it

You who?

Like you have any clue as to wtf any of it actually means you sorry putrid grandfart.
You want to answer a question on the graph Darrin gave?
I bet you slink away like the fake you always are.
Cmon old scrot, how about it? You won’t be able to look it up so I suggest you opt out like you always do. The chickenshit know zero.

[DMC]

You who?

Like you have any clue as to wtf any of it actually means you sorry putrid grandfart.
You want to answer a question on the graph Darrin gave?
I bet you slink away like the fake you always are.
Cmon old scrot, how about it? You won’t be able to look it up so I suggest you opt out like you always do. The chickenshit know zero.

:lol you stepped into the physics mosh pit and got destroyed again.

Cry more

[pgardn]

Apply that to both vehicles


Why ?
when you have the info on the corvette?

DMC again walks into the middle of a movie, asks wus up?, and promptly gets shown the door.

Next move.
Vacuum expert degrades other peoples work.
You are a piece of work dumb ass. You have no idea what is even going on per usual. (Then attempt to assess the discussion when you dont know shit)

[DMC]

DMC again walks into the middle of a movie, asks wus up?, and promptly gets shown the door.

Next move.
Vacuum expert degrades other peoples work.
You are a piece of work dumb ass. You have no idea what is even going on per usual.

What's going on:

1. ST Cliff Clavin stepped in over his head when he tried to lecture the forum about physics and got duly set straight.
2. Said Mr Clavin retreated then into his "just a biochemist, but I dabble in physics" routine.
3. RG is a claims adjuster who thinks his job of denying people compensation equates to being a physics and crash expert.

You hate to see it

[pgardn]

Apply that to both vehicles


What's going on:

1. ST Cliff Clavin stepped in over his head when he tried to lecture the forum about physics and got duly set straight.
2. Said Mr Clavin retreated then into his "just a biochemist, but I dabble in physics" routine.
3. RG is a claims adjuster who thinks his job of denying people compensation equates to being a physics and crash expert.

You hate to see it

You really have no idea what was going on.
You still dont.
Read Darrin's graph (yeah you left him out, you want to be his buddy)
And tell us about what we both were trying to express.
You wont because you dont get it.

Sorry you got left out when I immediately showed you the door.
Getting immediately punched in the faces is hard on you.

[pgardn]

Apply that to both vehicles


Why ?
when you have the info on the corvette?

It hurt...

[DMC]

So if you walked upon an accident with that amount of damage, you could just look at the speed limit sign to estimate their speeds unless some other data was available.

[DMC]

You really have no idea what was going on.
You still dont.
Read Darrin's graph (yeah you left him out, you want to be his buddy)
And tell us about what we both were trying to express.
You wont because you dont get it.

Sorry you got left out when I immediately showed you the door.
Getting immediately punched in the faces is hard on you.

So because you said "why" you equated that to a forum "w"? :lol

Darrin showed you why. Get up off your knees, wipe your eyes and be grateful to the lord that he hath laid upon you this lesson of humility.

[pgardn]

Apply that to both vehicles


Why ?
when you have the info on the corvette?

Your contribution got immediately stuffed so you go with storytelling.
Just stay out of shit you don’t know.
Pro tip dMac...

[DMC]

Your contribution got immediately got stuffed so you go with storytelling.
Just stay out of shit you don’t know.
Pro tip dMac...

That lesson really ruined your weekend :lol

Welp, back up the hill of ego you go to re-stake your flag in the rock of forum dignity!

[pgardn]

That immediate rejection really ruined my weekend :lol

Yes it did.

[DMC]

I am definitely not equipped mathematically to handle modern physics and never will be.

No you're not.

[pgardn]

No you're not.

Absolutely correct.
Your only accurate statement in the whole thread.
And if you even had even a whiff of sense to understand the difficulty of the math involved, you would melt.
You don’t even know what you don’t know grumpa DMac.

But of course it takes me to tell you what I don’t know. So be proud of your ability to rate something now.

[Ef-man]

Absolutely correct.
Your only accurate statement in the whole thread.
And if you even had even a whiff of sense to understand the difficulty of the math involved, you would melt.
You don’t even know what you don’t know grumpa DMac.

But of course it takes me to tell you what I don’t know. So be proud of your ability to rate something now.

That you Reck?

I see you have dmc all flustered as he is looking for the appearance of a table scrap "W." :tu

[Isitjustme?]

How did such a benign thread turn into an argument so quickly :lol

I'm only on the first page of this thread but I'm enjoying the forensic files episode hosted by DarrinS myself

[DMC]

Absolutely correct.
Your only accurate statement in the whole thread.
And if you even had even a whiff of sense to understand the difficulty of the math involved, you would melt.
You don’t even know what you don’t know grumpa DMac.

But of course it takes me to tell you what I don’t know. So be proud of your ability to rate something now.

:lol my background is in particle physics. You're a tool.

[pgardn]

:lol my background is in particle physics. You're a tool.

Oh really.
So you are ready for some questions then.
I can learn so much from you.
You should know quantum mechanics quite well, are you ready to help tutor me with your math wizardry?

so much bovine residual matter in DMC's claims. "I dont talk about my expertise, I just make fun of people who work with car wrecks."

I'll be back later from running. Look forward to it.
You cant even answer a simple question about darrin's graph... smh and laughing.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol my background is in particle physics. You're a tool.

wow, I don't believe that at all

[DMC]

wow, I don't believe that at all

That really matters to me.

[DMC]

Oh really.
So you are ready for some questions then.
I can learn so much from you.
You should know quantum mechanics quite well, are you ready to help tutor me with your math wizardry?

so much bovine residual matter in DMC's claims. "I dont talk about my expertise, I just make fun of people who work with car wrecks."

I'll be back later from running. Look forward to it.
You cant even answer a simple question about darrin's graph... smh and laughing.

Knock yourself out. I don't do requests, especially on a forum where Google is right next door.

I didn't get involved in Darrin's graph, that's your row to hoe. You stepped in, said he was wrong about his equation and got shit on right away. :lol

[pgardn]

Knock yourself out. I don't do requests, especially on a forum where Google is right next door.

I didn't get involved in Darrin's graph, that's your row to hoe. You stepped in, said he was wrong about his equation and got shit on right away. :lol

The only reason I said his equation was WRONG was because he used symbols that are NOT used in physics and he had SPELLED them out before then changed to a symbol that is used in basic math for something very different you idiot. Then I agreed after he showed "his" derivation, which you would have never figured out how to do in the first place.
If you know particle physics and the math involved, all to this is absolutely a piece of cake for you. You only get involved when you think know what you are talking about and then dont. You stepped in it. You got on RG for something your buddy Darrin had already put in the thread you fkn idiot. Completely not understanding which car RG was referring to with the speed limit sign.

Now you back off when under the gun. Thats my row to hoe because you cant even grasp the damn hoe or find any row. It should be child's play, especially since you interjected and then got slapped around for the most obvious part that had already been discussed.
You are a fake.
And a liar.

"I dont do requests because I have no idea wft I am talking about"
You have done plenty of requests on this site. But Now you know you stepped in the deeper end and cant handle it.

[DMC]

The only reason I said his equation was WRONG was because he used symbols that are NOT used in physics and he had SPELLED them out before then changed to a symbol that is used in basic math for something very different you idiot. Then I agreed after he showed "his" derivation, which you would have never figured out how to do in the first place.
If you know particle physics and the math involved, all to this is absolutely a piece of cake for you. You only get involved when you think know what you are talking about and then dont. You stepped in it. You got on RG for something your buddy Darrin had already put in the thread you fkn idiot. Completely not understanding which car RG was referring to with the speed limit sign.

Now you back off when under the gun. Thats my row to hoe because you cant even grasp the damn hoe or find any row. It should be child's play, especially since you interjected and then got slapped around for the most obvious part that had already been discussed.
You are a fake.
And a liar.

"I dont do requests because I have no idea wft I am talking about"
You have done plenty of requests on this site. But Now you know you stepped in the deeper end and cant handle it.

I don't feel any pressure to tell you anything about myself. I say what I want and watch you spin out of control. You want to test me with your Google-fu but you're just a slightly more accomplished Wild Cobra and I didn't give him that satisfaction either.

It's a piece of cake for anyone.

I knew about the speed limit sign. It's just more RG being RG, the consummate expert on everything. There's no shortage of you assholes online. I guess somewhere in your real lives you don't feel secure in your accomplishments so you go online to be the expert you wish you were IRL. Problem is there's a waiting list for internet experts on everything. Take a number.

[pgardn]

I don't feel any pressure to tell you anything about myself. I say what I want and watch you spin out of control. You want to test me with your Google-fu but you're just a slightly more accomplished Wild Cobra and I didn't give him that satisfaction either.

It's a piece of cake for anyone.

I knew about the speed limit sign. It's just more RG being RG, the consummate expert on everything. There's no shortage of you assholes online. I guess somewhere in your real lives you don't feel secure in your accomplishments so you go online to be the expert you wish you were IRL. Problem is there's a waiting list for internet experts on everything. Take a number.

Your hypocrisy is unbelievable particle physics man.
You would absolutely crow out loud if you knew wtf you are talking about but you dont.
I explained myself. You, are a coward, and rightly so.

You are a liar and a fake. Stay where you belong.

[DMC]

Your hypocrisy is unbelievable particle physics man.
You would absolutely crow out loud if you knew wtf you are talking about but you dont.
I explained myself. You, are a coward, and rightly so.

You are a liar and a fake. Stay where you belong.

You thought you were coming down off the turnbuckle with a drop kick on Darrin but nope :lol

https://media.stadiumtalk.com/d5/77/d5773db44f4e4991974436438bd801d1.gif

[pgardn]

You thought you were coming down off the turnbuckle with a drop kick on Darrin but nope :lol

https://media.stadiumtalk.com/d5/77/d5773db44f4e4991974436438bd801d1.gif

Darrin.

He needs you.
The self proclaimed Solomon the judge of what is proper is groveling.

You lie and dont know wtf you are even saying particle physics man.
Keep up your pitiful beg.
" I wont be asked to provide anything primarily because I have no idea wft I am talking about"

[DMC]

Darrin.

He needs you.
The self proclaimed Solomon the judge of what is proper is groveling.

You lie and dont know wtf you are even saying particle physics man.
Keep up your pitiful beg.
" I wont be asked to provide anything primarily because I have no idea wft I am talking about"

https://i.giphy.com/l41lXPwHWohc2kxGg.gif

[pgardn]

https://i.giphy.com/l41lXPwHWohc2kxGg.gif

You have a really nice smile.

[RandomGuy]

:lol no

You're a claims adjuster. You don't know shit.

:lol DMCmemakedumbassumptions. Nope.

You're cute.

[DMC]

:lol DMCmemakedumbassumptions. Nope.

You're cute.



Audit insured records to determine proper exposure classification and premium basis
Determine the proper exposure classification, premium basis and scope of operations through the use of observation, discussion with insureds and the review of accounting records
Provide reports, as necessary, to enable underwriting associates to make knowledgeable judgments about classifications and risk acceptability
Report and discuss exposures present on an insured’s property to determine underwriting eligibility and acceptability
Become familiar with Company goals and objectives and relates them to the Field Premium Auditor position
Communicate with claims and underwriting associates, appointed agents, and insureds
Maintains punctual attendance in accordance with assigned work schedule at a Company approved work location
Provide expert crash analysis
Use Columbo-like reasoning to hammer out the facts of a crash based solely on speed limit signs

[RandomGuy]

Audit insured records to determine proper exposure classification and premium basis
Determine the proper exposure classification, premium basis and scope of operations through the use of observation, discussion with insureds and the review of accounting records
Provide reports, as necessary, to enable underwriting associates to make knowledgeable judgments about classifications and risk acceptability
Report and discuss exposures present on an insured’s property to determine underwriting eligibility and acceptability
Become familiar with Company goals and objectives and relates them to the Field Premium Auditor position
Communicate with claims and underwriting associates, appointed agents, and insureds
Maintains punctual attendance in accordance with assigned work schedule at a Company approved work location
Provide expert crash analysis
Use Columbo-like reasoning to hammer out the facts of a crash based solely on speed limit signs


:lol you try so... hard, and fail so badly.

It's almost like you feel insecure when someone demonstrates competence at something. Like reading comprehension.

RG: I am an auditor

DMC, trying to triangulate that so he can say nasty shit about a stranger on the internet:

"you're a claims adjuster" hurr deer durr
"you're a premium auditor" hurr deer durr

[DMC]

:lol you try so... hard, and fail so badly.

It's almost like you feel insecure when someone demonstrates competence at something. Like reading comprehension.

That wouldn't be you :lol

Speed limit signs :lol

RandomGuess :lol

Dr Jethro Bodine :lol

[RandomGuy]

That wouldn't be you :lol

Speed limit signs :lol

RandomGuess :lol

Dr Jethro Bodine :lol

meh.

[SnakeBoy]

Audit insured records to determine proper exposure classification and premium basis
Determine the proper exposure classification, premium basis and scope of operations through the use of observation, discussion with insureds and the review of accounting records
Provide reports, as necessary, to enable underwriting associates to make knowledgeable judgments about classifications and risk acceptability
Report and discuss exposures present on an insured’s property to determine underwriting eligibility and acceptability
Become familiar with Company goals and objectives and relates them to the Field Premium Auditor position
Communicate with claims and underwriting associates, appointed agents, and insureds
Maintains punctual attendance in accordance with assigned work schedule at a Company approved work location
Provide expert crash analysis
Use Columbo-like reasoning to hammer out the facts of a crash based solely on speed limit signs


lol

[RandomGuy]

Or, they can read the event data recorder. Durrr

Also, striking a barrier is a lot different than striking another vehicle.

Maybe don't pretend to be an expert on everything, RG.


Lol, using the speed limit sign.

Happy to cede that in this case, you have more expertise.

If you had to estimate a speed here for the victim, absent any specific black box data, what would estimate that to be?

(not asking for a method of ascertaining it, just a back of the envelope expert guess)

[DarrinS]

Happy to cede that in this case, you have more expertise.

If you had to estimate a speed here for the victim, absent any specific black box data, what would estimate that to be?

(not asking for a method of ascertaining it, just a back of the envelope expert guess)


Any CCTV footage is probably better than any analysis of skid marks + crush energy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExSPJFTb2c


At the end of the day, the dude was dunk and killed someone. The excessive speed is just the final nail. I don't think knowing the exact speed is too important.

[RandomGuy]

Any CCTV footage is probably better than any analysis of skid marks + crush energy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExSPJFTb2c


At the end of the day, the dude was dunk and killed someone. The excessive speed is just the final nail. I don't think knowing the exact speed is too important.

What would a reasonable speed for the woman who got hit be? Surely you have some guess. Put a number to it.

[DMC]

RG hurting, trying to recover.

Crawl away and lick your wounds. :lol

[Ef-man]

What would a reasonable speed for the woman who got hit be? Surely you have some guess. Put a number to it.

That you Reck?

Asking for a triggered Poster B looking to interview you for a “W” that involves male on tranny relations, no homo.

:tu

[RandomGuy]

RG hurting, trying to recover.

Crawl away and lick your wounds. :lol

Just can't acknowledge expertise in someone you don't like. :lol

Your dumb ass would have to draw blood for there to be a wound in the first place.

Anyone: [statement based on expertise and critical thinking]
DMC: that's just dumb, because... reasons.

:rolleyes

Whatevs.

[RandomGuy]

That you Reck?

Asking for a triggered Poster B looking to interview you for a “W” that involves male on tranny relations, no homo.

:tu

???

[pgardn]

RG hurting, trying to recover.

Crawl away and lick your wounds. :lol

This is absolutely such a disingenuous take of something you did not even read.

[pgardn]

Apply that to both vehicles


Why ?
when you have the info on the corvette?

DMCs contribution shot down because he walked in half brained and a 1/4 informed per usual.

[DMC]

This is absolutely such a disingenuous take of something you did not even read.

Cry more

[DMC]

Just can't acknowledge expertise in someone you don't like. :lol

Your dumb ass would have to draw blood for there to be a wound in the first place.

Anyone: [statement based on expertise and critical thinking]
DMC: that's just dumb, because... reasons.

:rolleyes

Whatevs.

DarrinS took you out back to the woodshed and tanned your hide :lol

You went from 'I'm an expert" to "Well we're both experts" to "You're more of an expert than me" to "whatevs"

:lol you hate to see it

[pgardn]

Apply that to both vehicles


Cry more

The retort when you are on empty.

[DMC]

The retort when you are on empty.

:lol keeps going back to something I already addressed
:lol easily triggered

[pgardn]

:lol keeps going back to something I already addressed
:lol easily triggered

You never addressed it or you would have said, my mistake, they have info on the corvette.
You walk into the middle of stuff without any understanding and think you will make a contribution... as long as, "Its not my field of study, Nor do I dont talk about MY expertise or do requests" to bail yourself out.

You are transparent.
Particle physics my ass...

[RandomGuy]

DarrinS took you out back to the woodshed and tanned your hide :lol

You went from 'I'm an expert" to "Well we're both experts" to "You're more of an expert than me" to "whatevs"

:lol you hate to see it

:lol

So desperate to get in the last word, you double down on your failures in reasoning. As always, you try to hard... and fail so much.

Sad.

[RandomGuy]

You never addressed it or you would have said, my mistake, they have info on the corvette.
You walk into the middle of stuff without any understanding and think you will make a contribution... as long as, "Its not my field of study, Nor do I dont talk about MY expertise or do requests" to bail yourself out.

You are transparent.
Particle physics my ass...

Pure trolling at this point, tbh. Even he doesn't believe his own stuff, he is just harping on it for a reaction. Kind of like... derp did.

[DMC]

So if you walked upon an accident with that amount of damage, you could just look at the speed limit sign to estimate their speeds unless some other data was available.


You never addressed it or you would have said, my mistake, they have info on the corvette.
You walk into the middle of stuff without any understanding and think you will make a contribution... as long as, "Its not my field of study, Nor do I dont talk about MY expertise or do requests" to bail yourself out.

You are transparent.
Particle physics my ass...

You ignored my response. If you know nothing about both vehicles and only see the crash, you cannot use the speed limit sign to estimate their speeds. If you cannot do it with both you cannot do it with one. It doesn't matter that you already know something about the corvette, you couldn't have used the speed limit sign to get therePERIOD. End of story.

You're way too impressed with physics. It's almost like you dropped out of some physics classes because you lacked the wherewithal to be successful.

[DMC]

:lol

So desperate to get in the last word, you double down on your failures in reasoning. As always, you try to hard... and fail so much.

Sad.

:lol internet expert on everything.

You try to portray yourself as a savant but you're barely above lukewarm IQ.

[RandomGuy]

You ignored my response. If you know nothing about both vehicles and only see the crash, you cannot use the speed limit sign to estimate their speeds. If you cannot do it with both you cannot do it with one. It doesn't matter that you already know something about the corvette, you couldn't have used the speed limit sign to get therePERIOD. End of story.

You're way too impressed with physics. It's almost like you dropped out of some physics classes because you lacked the wherewithal to be successful.

The stupid, it burns.

Why do you think Darrin is being cagy with what he thinks? It is because my estimate is reasonable.

Unfortunately for your pedantic dumb ass, it is possible to draw reasonable conclusions based on incomplete data.

For your fucktarded statement to be true here, the following would have to be true for the victims car:

"All speeds are equally likely".

Since the corvette was going faster than the victims car, are all speeds under 127 MPH equally likely, fucktard? Yes or no?

[DMC]

The stupid, it burns.

Why do you think Darrin is being cagy with what he thinks? It is because my estimate is reasonable.

:lmao


Unfortunately for your pedantic dumb ass, it is possible to draw reasonable conclusions based on incomplete data.

You do it all the time!.. just like that *snap* it comes to you.


For your fucktarded statement to be true here, the following would have to be true for the victims car:

"All speeds are equally likely".

Since the corvette was going faster than the victims car, are all speeds under 127 MPH equally likely, fucktard? Yes or no?

How would you know the corvette was going faster than the victim's car just by looking at the speed limit signs?

:lol "yes or no"

You're a tool. Not even a useful one.

[pgardn]

You ignored my response. If you know nothing about both vehicles and only see the crash, you cannot use the speed limit sign to estimate their speeds. If you cannot do it with both you cannot do it with one. It doesn't matter that you already know something about the corvette, you couldn't have used the speed limit sign to get therePERIOD. End of story.

You're way too impressed with physics. It's almost like you dropped out of some physics classes because you lacked the wherewithal to be successful.

This is flat out wrong.
He used what he had which was reasonable.
The time the vehicles are in contact is also a reasonable range. There is no way they are all exactly the same. They are made of different material contacting, the vehicle is an extended mass... many variables.
This is physics you dumbass; with estimates that are reasonable. You cant know every detail about every atom involved.

Particle physics... wrote for Popular Science and Time magazine... expert on Vacuums (I guess this helps out while DMC is running the show slamming particles into his head)

[DMC]

This is flat out wrong.
He used what he had which was reasonable.
The time the vehicles are in contact is also a reasonable range. There is no way they are all exactly the same. They are made of different material contacting, the vehicle is an extended mass... many variables.
This is physics you dumbass; with estimates that are reasonable. You cant know every detail about every atom involved.

Particle physics... wrote for Popular Science and Time magazine... expert on Vacuums (I guess this helps out while DMC is running the show slamming particles into his head)

Obviously he didn't use what he had per the discussion. You're moving the goalpost to information other than just a speed limit sign.

You cannot determine the speed of a car based on the speed limit sign, period end of fucking story.

You're really upset over the fact I am a professional and you're a talker online. You mention it in almost every post.

Officer "Do you know why I pulled you over?"
Me "Was I speeding?"
Officer "Well I don't know how fast you were going since I don't have a radar gun but based on that speed limit sign that says 45mph, you were going about 45mph, so no, I pulled you over because you're driving the wrong way on a one way street"
Me "how do you know that, there's no speed limit sign"
Officer "hmmm. ok you can go but be careful"

[pgardn]

Obviously he didn't use what he had per the discussion. You're moving the goalpost to information other than just a speed limit sign.

You cannot determine the speed of a car based on the speed limit sign, period end of fucking story.

You're really upset over the fact I am a professional and you're a talker online. You mention it in almost every post.

Officer "Do you know why I pulled you over?"
Me "Was I speeding?"
Officer "Well I don't know how fast you were going since I don't have a radar gun but based on that speed limit sign that says 45mph, you were going about 45mph, so no, I pulled you over because you're driving the wrong way on a one way street"
Me "how do you know that, there's no speed limit sign"
Officer "hmmm. ok you can go but be careful"

No goalposts have been moved as you dont even know which field you are playing on.
RG used what is a reasonable assessment and you cant stand it when called on it. You did not even know the corvete had info on is as you stepped into the middle of shit you dont know. All of this started with reasonable estimations you dumb fk.

I am a professional talker on line. Really. I am the word salad guy, but now I am the professional online talker online. Pick a lane.
Offline you are obviously the professional because you never talk about things you know about online. Great logic there grumpa.

I am quite entertained because with each discussion you show what a fake you are.
I know more science than you do on the whole. There is show no shame in that. Except dont go all big on us and claim you write for a science magazine.
And I know and do far more science OFFline than you have ever even thought about. No shame in that either. You dont work with it, you dont think about it. I do.

STick to your guns... and trucks.

[RandomGuy]

Since the corvette was going faster than the victims car, are all speeds under 127 MPH equally likely, fucktard? Yes or no?



:lmao

You do it all the time!.. just like that *snap* it comes to you.


How would you know the corvette was going faster than the victim's car just by looking at the speed limit signs?

:lol "yes or no"

You're a tool. Not even a useful one.

Not an answer, fucktard.

Since the corvette was going faster than the victims car, are all speeds for the victims car under 127 MPH equally likely, fucktard? Yes or no?

[SpursforSix]

I wonder if the prosecution (or defense) will use this thread as evidence.

[DMC]

No goalposts have been moved as you dont even know which field you are playing on.
RG used what is a reasonable assessment and you cant stand it when called on it. You did not even know the corvete had info on is as you stepped into the middle of shit you dont know. All of this started with reasonable estimations you dumb fk.

I am a professional talker on line. Really. I am the word salad guy, but now I am the professional online talker online. Pick a lane.
Offline you are obviously the professional because you never talk about things you know about online. Great logic there grumpa.

I am quite entertained because with each discussion you show what a fake you are.
I know more science than you do on the whole. There is show no shame in that. Except dont go all big on us and claim you write for a science magazine.
And I know and do far more science OFFline than you have ever even thought about. No shame in that either. You dont work with it, you dont think about it. I do.

STick to your guns... and trucks.
:lmao "I do more science"


Not an answer, fucktard.

Since the corvette was going faster than the victims car, are all speeds for the victims car under 127 MPH equally likely, fucktard? Yes or no?

How does the speed limit sign resolve this further?

[pgardn]

:lmao "I do more science"





I know it hurts but it is what it is.
AT least I dont lie about being a particle physicist. yeah sure thing DMac...
The appropriate emoji would laugh and throws up at the same time.

[RandomGuy]

You ignored my response. If you know nothing about both vehicles and only see the crash, you cannot use the speed limit sign to estimate their speeds. If you cannot do it with both you cannot do it with one. It doesn't matter that you already know something about the corvette, you couldn't have used the speed limit sign to get therePERIOD. End of story.



For your fucktarded statement to be true here, the following would have to be true for the victims car:

"All speeds are equally likely".

Since the corvette was going faster than the victims car, are all speeds under 127 MPH equally likely, fucktard? Yes or no?



How would you know the corvette was going faster than the victim's car just by looking at the speed limit signs?



Not an answer, fucktard.

Since the corvette was going faster than the victims car, are all speeds for the victims car under 127 MPH equally likely, fucktard? Yes or no?


:lmao "I do more science"

How does the speed limit sign resolve this further?

Jesus fucking christ, either they are all equally likely, or they are not. There is no other option. This shouldn't be difficult for an honest broker intellectual such as yourself, but you are really struggling with it for some reason.

Are all speeds for the victims car equally likely, yes or no?

[DMC]

I know it hurts but it is what it is.
AT least I dont lie about being a particle physicist. yeah sure thing DMac...
The appropriate emoji would laugh and throws up at the same time.

Never said I was a particle physicist. You only know how to lie. You created the I LIE SUH assay.

[DMC]

Jesus fucking christ, either they are all equally likely, or they are not. There is no other option. This shouldn't be difficult for an honest broker intellectual such as yourself, but you are really struggling with it for some reason.

Are all speeds for the victims car equally likely, yes or no?

Talk about how the speed limit sign narrows these options down. Your red herring about all things being equal completely ignores the speed limit sign.

[RandomGuy]

You ignored my response. If you know nothing about both vehicles and only see the crash, you cannot use the speed limit sign to estimate their speeds. If you cannot do it with both you cannot do it with one. It doesn't matter that you already know something about the corvette, you couldn't have used the speed limit sign to get therePERIOD. End of story.



For your fucktarded statement to be true here, the following would have to be true for the victims car:

"All speeds are equally likely".

Since the corvette was going faster than the victims car, are all speeds under 127 MPH equally likely, fucktard? Yes or no?



How would you know the corvette was going faster than the victim's car just by looking at the speed limit signs?



Not an answer, fucktard.

Since the corvette was going faster than the victims car, are all speeds for the victims car under 127 MPH equally likely, fucktard? Yes or no?


:lmao "I do more science"

How does the speed limit sign resolve this further?


Jesus fucking christ, either they are all equally likely, or they are not. There is no other option. This shouldn't be difficult for an honest broker intellectual such as yourself, but you are really struggling with it for some reason.

Are all speeds for the victims car equally likely, yes or no?


Talk about how the speed limit sign narrows these options down. Your red herring about all things being equal completely ignores the speed limit sign.

That isn't an answer, geenyus. I think you know the problem with your earlier statement and are tryign to walk it the fuck back.

So no, all speeds are not equally likely. Therefore there must be some way to get to a reasonable estimation.

Let's see if we can find that.

Do speed limit signs generally control speed for cars, yes or no?

[DMC]

That isn't an answer, geenyus. I think you know the problem with your earlier statement and are tryign to walk it the fuck back.

So no, all speeds are not equally likely. Therefore there must be some way to get to a reasonable estimation.

Let's see if we can find that.

Do speed limit signs generally control speed for cars, yes or no?

No.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao

Only on Spurstalk would an asinine argument like this go on for 6 pages.

[RandomGuy]

Do speed limit signs generally control speed for cars, yes or no?


No.

So, we have some progress.

DMC: Speed limit signs do not generally control speed for cars.

So in any given 35mph zone all cars at all times could be going 1 mph, could be going 35 mph, could be going 110mph, all with equal probability.

I could select cars all day long on a road with a 35 mph speed limit, plot their speed, and have a perfectly flat graph.

Correct?

[RandomGuy]

:lmao

Only on Spurstalk would an asinine argument like this go on for 6 pages.

:lol

No it wouldn't.

[DMC]

So, we have some progress.

DMC: Speed limit signs do not generally control speed for cars.

So in any given 35mph zone all cars at all times could be going 1 mph, could be going 35 mph, could be going 110mph, all with equal probability.

I could select cars all day long on a road with a 35 mph speed limit, plot their speed, and have a perfectly flat graph.

Correct?

Speed limit signs never control the speed of cars. Otherwise, when a car is speeding, the sign needs to be repaired.

[RandomGuy]

So, we have some progress.

DMC: Speed limit signs do not generally control speed for cars.

So in any given 35mph zone all cars at all times could be going 1 mph, could be going 35 mph, could be going 110mph, all with equal probability.

I could select cars all day long on a road with a 35 mph speed limit, plot their speed, and have a perfectly flat graph.

Correct?


Speed limit signs never control the speed of cars. Otherwise, when a car is speeding, the sign needs to be repaired.

Don't back out of your assertion now, we are just getting started.

So in any given 35mph zone all cars at all times could be going 1 mph, could be going 35 mph, could be going 110mph, all with equal probability.

I could select cars all day long on a road with a 35 mph speed limit, plot their speed, and have a perfectly flat graph.

Correct?

[DMC]

Don't back out of your assertion now, we are just getting started.

So in any given 35mph zone all cars at all times could be going 1 mph, could be going 35 mph, could be going 110mph, all with equal probability.

I could select cars all day long on a road with a 35 mph speed limit, plot their speed, and have a perfectly flat graph.

Correct?

You asked a question, do speed limit signs generally control the speed of cars. I answered "no".

Now you're going on a different tangent.

How do speed limit signs control the speed of cars? Never mind driving tendencies.

[RandomGuy]

So, we have some progress.

DMC: Speed limit signs do not generally control speed for cars.

So in any given 35mph zone all cars at all times could be going 1 mph, could be going 35 mph, could be going 110mph, all with equal probability.

I could select cars all day long on a road with a 35 mph speed limit, plot their speed, and have a perfectly flat graph.

Correct?


Speed limit signs never control the speed of cars. Otherwise, when a car is speeding, the sign needs to be repaired.


Don't back out of your assertion now, we are just getting started.

So in any given 35mph zone all cars at all times could be going 1 mph, could be going 35 mph, could be going 110mph, all with equal probability.

I could select cars all day long on a road with a 35 mph speed limit, plot their speed, and have a perfectly flat graph.

Correct?


You asked a question, do speed limit signs generally control the speed of cars. I answered "no".

Now you're going on a different tangent.

How do speed limit signs control the speed of cars? Never mind driving tendencies.

Surrender accepted.

Chickenshit DMC never fails to fail. Nearly fought the Dragon of Angnor, nearly stood up to the vicious chicken of bristol.

Such simple questions. So difficult for DMC.

[DMC]

Surrender accepted.

Chickenshit.

Speed limit signs cannot be used to determine the speed of a carPERIOD.

Still waiting for you to justify your neophyte mistake. We already know half of the cars in the OP weren't being controlled by the speed limit sign. Why is it then reasonable to assume the other half was?

[RandomGuy]

Speed limit signs cannot be used to determine the speed of a carPERIOD.

Still waiting for you to justify your neophyte mistake. We already know half of the cars in the OP weren't being controlled by the speed limit sign. Why is it then reasonable to assume the other half was?

If your assertion were true, you wouldnt' be afraid of answering my questions, chickenshit. Restating your fucktarded assertion repeatedly wont' make it valid. Defending it might.

3rd time:

So in any given 35mph zone all cars at all times could be going 1 mph, could be going 35 mph, could be going 110mph, all with equal probability.

I could select cars all day long on a road with a 35 mph speed limit, plot their speed, and have a perfectly flat graph.

Correct?

[RandomGuy]

I think the graph of car speeds would look more like a negatively skewed graph with the median right around 35mph.


https://billkosloskymd.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/20/skewneg.gif



https://nathanmlong.com/images/posts/big_o/wave.png

[RandomGuy]

Why is it then reasonable to assume the other half was?

The probability of any coin toss is always equal, no matter what the results of the preceding toss was.

Basic statistics 101.

For it to be unreasonable, you would have to negate an entire field of mathematics, that's why.

Are you going to negate an entire field of mathematics?

[spurraider21]

Speed limit signs never control the speed of cars. Otherwise, when a car is speeding, the sign needs to be repaired.
you could only take his claim this literally if you were acting in bad faith

[DMC]

The probability of any coin toss is always equal, no matter what the results of the preceding toss was.

Basic statistics 101.

For it to be unreasonable, you would have to negate an entire field of mathematics, that's why.

Are you going to negate an entire field of mathematics?

You start with bad data and use a flawed method to get to a flawed result. This is why DarrinS laughed at you before he bent you over. If you knew anything at all about what you were discussing you would have known suggesting the speed limit sign was hasty and flawed. Now you're trying to show that it was reasonable.

What would have been reasonable would have been to say "maybe she wasn't going faster than the speed limit which based on that sign is 45" but no, you pulled a Wild Cobra and "estimated" using your mad reasoning skillz. You then doubled down.

Now you want to tack the entire field of mathematics onto your assertion as if you being wrong makes math itself wrong :lol

[DMC]

you could only take his claim this literally if you were acting in bad faith

Not true.

If his claim was correct, then the speed limit sign was controlling the speed of the victim's car. If his claim wasn't true, then the victim (or some other force) was controlling the speed of the victim's car.

The first is obviously flawed however posters here routinely use these kinds of word games as escape hatches when they are cornered. You are no exception.

[RandomGuy]

You start with bad data and use a flawed method to get to a flawed result. This is why DarrinS laughed at you before he bent you over. If you knew anything at all about what you were discussing you would have known suggesting the speed limit sign was hasty and flawed. Now you're trying to show that it was reasonable.

What would have been reasonable would have been to say "maybe she wasn't going faster than the speed limit which based on that sign is 45" but no, you pulled a Wild Cobra and "estimated" using your mad reasoning skillz. You then doubled down.

Now you want to tack the entire field of mathematics onto your assertion as if you being wrong makes math itself wrong :lol

Either probabilities and statistics work or they don't.

Your inability to understand them, doesn't negate them. The truth doesn't care about your feelings, snowflake.

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.451925362.8142/raf,750x1000,075,t,101010:01c5ca27c6.u1.jpg

[DMC]

Either speed limit signs control vehicle speeds or they don't.

You're moving the goalposts and throwing a fit because I won't play along.

Was "control" just a bad choice of words?

[RandomGuy]

Not true.

If his claim was correct, then the speed limit sign was controlling the speed of the victim's car. If his claim wasn't true, then the victim (or some other force) was controlling the speed of the victim's car.

The first is obviously flawed however posters here routinely use these kinds of word games as escape hatches when they are cornered. You are no exception.

:lol "vicious wordgames" everyone else understood it but you.

Only an idiot would think that I mean that a sign was actively controlling a car's speed. :lmao

or someone with a reading disability. less funny, but everytime I talk with you it boils down to that.

[DMC]

:lol "vicious wordgames" everyone else understood it but you.

So you're not liable for your own words and I should respond to you like you're a retard. Got it.

[spurraider21]

Not true.

If his claim was correct, then the speed limit sign was controlling the speed of the victim's car. If his claim wasn't true, then the victim (or some other force) was controlling the speed of the victim's car.

The first is obviously flawed however posters here routinely use these kinds of word games as escape hatches when they are cornered. You are no exception.
i dont think an honest interpretation of what he was saying could be taken to mean that the signs literally, on a mechanical level, cause vehicles to slow down.

he was saying you can generally use speed limits to estimate how fast a car is traveling.

ie i could reasonably guess that an average vehicle traveling on a highway with a 65 speed limit (at nighttime without traffic) will be traveling faster than an average vehicle traveling on a road with a 35mph speed limit in similar traffic conditions.

so assuming the other vehicle was not speeding as wildly as ruggs' vehicle, and absent the vehicle recording data, you could ballpark the other vehicle's speed by basing it on the speed limit. obviously if more specific details are available (eyewitness who could gauge the speed, or the vehicle computer information), you would no longer rely on such a crude estimate

[RandomGuy]

i dont think an honest interpretation of what he was saying could be taken to mean that the signs literally, on a mechanical level, cause vehicles to slow down.

he was saying you can generally use speed limits to estimate how fast a car is traveling.

ie i could reasonably guess that an average vehicle traveling on a highway with a 65 speed limit (at nighttime without traffic) will be traveling faster than an average vehicle traveling on a road with a 35mph speed limit in similar traffic conditions.

so assuming the other vehicle was not speeding as wildly as ruggs' vehicle, and absent the vehicle recording data, you could ballpark the other vehicle's speed by basing it on the speed limit. obviously if more specific details are available (eyewitness who could gauge the speed, or the vehicle computer information), you would no longer rely on such a crude estimate

Pretty much.

The probability curve of the speed of the other car will have a negatively skewed normal distribution around the speed limit, with a pretty steep drop off to the right of the speed limit.

This is true for just about any road in the US.

[RandomGuy]

Either speed limit signs control vehicle speeds or they don't.

You're moving the goalposts and throwing a fit because I won't play along.

Was "control" just a bad choice of words?

Jesus, you are literally too stupid to argue with.

[Ef-man]

Jesus, you are literally too stupid to argue with.

:lmao

Of all the hills to die on, he chose Karrin’s. :lmao

[DMC]

i dont think an honest interpretation of what he was saying could be taken to mean that the signs literally, on a mechanical level, cause vehicles to slow down.

Then don't use the word "control". They only encourage drivers to not exceed the posted limit. As such they cannot be relied upon as indicators of vehicle speed.


he was saying you can generally use speed limits to estimate how fast a car is traveling.

That's a bad argument no matter how often you say it.


ie i could reasonably guess that an average vehicle traveling on a highway with a 65 speed limit (at nighttime without traffic) will be traveling faster than an average vehicle traveling on a road with a 35mph speed limit in similar traffic conditions.

He wasn't referring to averages. He was estimating the speed of a particular vehicle.


so assuming the other vehicle was not speeding as wildly as ruggs' vehicle, and absent the vehicle recording data, you could ballpark the other vehicle's speed by basing it on the speed limit. obviously if more specific details are available (eyewitness who could gauge the speed, or the vehicle computer information), you would no longer rely on such a crude estimate

Noted that it went from "reasonable argument" to "crude estimate"

There's no way to know, based on the speed limit, how fast the vehicle was traveling. It might make you feel better to guesstimate but the fact is the speed limit does not factor in to the actual speed. Like I originally said, apply that to both vehicles. If you didn't know the speed of the corvette, and minus any other information than "crash" and "two vehicles" and "speed limit sign", how fast would you estimate the vehicles were travelling at the time of the crash? Might as well say they were both going the speed limit. That's the most likely according to you and RG. Knowing less about something doesn't make a bad method better. It would be better to say "I don't have enough information". RG thinks he always has enough information to hazard a guess and call it math or science. He got bent over again on this one :lol

[DMC]

Pretty much.

The probability curve of the speed of the other car will have a negatively skewed normal distribution around the speed limit, with a pretty steep drop off to the right of the speed limit.

This is true for just about any road in the US.

:lmao just stop already

[spurraider21]

Then don't use the word "control". They only encourage drivers to not exceed the posted limit. As such they cannot be relied upon as indicators of vehicle speed.
you're getting hung up on the semantics when it was pretty clear what he meant when he said "control" even if it wasnt the ideal word choice. i think they allow you to get general estimates of vehicles traveling there (subject to traffic conditions)


That's a bad argument no matter how often you say it.
agree to disagree. i think that absent more specific knowledge, its a fair way to estimate


He wasn't referring to averages. He was estimating the speed of a particular vehicle.
same difference. he is treating that vehicle as an average vehicle, absent any information to the contrary. ie we know Ruggs was speeding, so it would be pretty dumb to use the speed limit as a gauge for his speed. the other driver, for whom we had no reason to believe was speeding or driving erratically, i think its a fair way to make a crude estimate


Noted that it went from "reasonable argument" to "crude estimate"
i think in this context it's a distinction without a difference


There's no way to know, based on the speed limit, how fast the vehicle was traveling. It might make you feel better to guesstimate but the fact is the speed limit does not factor in to the actual speed. Like I originally said, apply that to both vehicles. If you didn't know the speed of the corvette, and minus any other information than "crash" and "two vehicles" and "speed limit sign", how fast would you estimate the vehicles were travelling at the time of the crash? Might as well say they were both going the speed limit. That's the most likely according to you and RG. Knowing less about something doesn't make a bad method better. It would be better to say "I don't have enough information". RG thinks he always has enough information to hazard a guess and call it math or science. He got bent over again on this one :lol
there isn't a way to "know." he's making an educated guess. making a crude estimate. we didnt have any reason to believe the vehicle was driving in some erratic way or extreme speed. its probably a good starting point +/- 10 mph or so. obviously its better to have specific information, but its a reasonable place to default to.

[DMC]

you're getting hung up on the semantics when it was pretty clear what he meant when he said "control" even if it wasnt the ideal word choice. i think they allow you to get general estimates of vehicles traveling there (subject to traffic conditions)


agree to disagree. i think that absent more specific knowledge, its a fair way to estimate


same difference. he is treating that vehicle as an average vehicle, absent any information to the contrary. ie we know Ruggs was speeding, so it would be pretty dumb to use the speed limit as a gauge for his speed. the other driver, for whom we had no reason to believe was speeding or driving erratically, i think its a fair way to make a crude estimate


i think in this context it's a distinction without a difference


there isn't a way to "know." he's making an educated guess. making a crude estimate. we didnt have any reason to believe the vehicle was driving in some erratic way or extreme speed. its probably a good starting point +/- 10 mph or so. obviously its better to have specific information, but its a reasonable place to default to.

What information did Darrin have that RG did not have?

Would the speed limit sign be admissible in court as an indicator of vehicle speed?

Do you agree that speed limit signs do not normally control vehicle speed?

[DarrinS]

You guys still arguing about this? :lol

By the way, lots of traffic lights on that street, which makes Ruggs' speed even more insane.


Here's the scene


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1aB6WUwnb4

[DMC]

Wow just look at that normal skewed distribution curve!

[DarrinS]

Wow just look at that normal skewed distribution curve!

Maybe he was thinking lognormal. :lol

[DMC]

Maybe he was thinking lognormal. :lol

Linearithmic!

Disagreeing with him is a bad faith argument though because you're supposed to change his words to something that makes sense then say he's an expert.

[spurraider21]

What information did Darrin have that RG did not have?

Would the speed limit sign be admissible in court as an indicator of vehicle speed?

Do you agree that speed limit signs do not normally control vehicle speed?
yes this is exactly what we are talking about when RG was just doing some basic napkin math on a forum :lol

[DMC]

yes this is exactly what we are talking about when RG was just doing some basic napkin math on a forum :lol

Then the answer is no, it would not be admissible because it doesn't control vehicle speed. Your "napkin math" hand wavium doesn't matter.

[spurraider21]

Then the answer is no, it would not be admissible because it doesn't control vehicle speed. Your "napkin math" hand wavium doesn't matter.
nobody ever said it would be admissible in court or that it was necessarily accurate. it was a rough guesstimate that you are taking entirely too seriously

[DarrinS]

yes this is exactly what we are talking about when RG was just doing some basic napkin math on a forum :lol

Her speed is pretty irrelevant in this case, don't you think?

[DMC]

nobody ever said it would be admissible in court or that it was necessarily accurate. it was a rough guesstimate that you are taking entirely too seriously



Do speed limit signs generally control speed for cars, yes or no?

[DMC]

btw we have entered poster B phase.

For the court reporter, we've gone from estimate, to crude estimate and now to guesstimate and napkin math. What's the odds that the next regression will be SWAG?

[spurraider21]

Her speed is pretty irrelevant in this case, don't you think?
depends on what you're trying to figure out.

imo randomguy wasted his time trying to "debunk" OP's shitpost about Corvettes being safe. if you are trying to explain the extent of damage taken by the corvette, its somewhat significant to know at what speed the Rav4 was traveling, no? a corvette traveling 127 mph hitting a stationary Rav4 would have a different result than one hitting a rav4 traveling ~45mph in the same direction, no?

[spurraider21]

btw we have entered poster B phase.

For the court reporter, we've gone from estimate, to crude estimate and now to guesstimate and napkin math. What's the odds that the next regression will be SWAG?
thanks for showing the 2 posts above wherein you prove that literally nobody argued that the 45 mph thing was meant to be an exact number that would be admissible in court :lol

[DMC]

depends on what you're trying to figure out.

imo randomguy wasted his time trying to "debunk" OP's shitpost about Corvettes being safe. if you are trying to explain the extent of damage taken by the corvette, its somewhat significant to know at what speed the Rav4 was traveling, no? a corvette traveling 127 mph hitting a stationary Rav4 would have a different result than one hitting a rav4 traveling ~45mph in the same direction, no?

uh oh, Philo stepping in deep water now.

[DMC]

thanks for showing the 2 posts above wherein you prove that literally nobody argued that the 45 mph thing was meant to be an exact number that would be admissible in court :lol

If you cannot answer the question I asked, you're using bad faith. Anyone else would know that I am simply asking you for your legal opinion.

[DarrinS]

depends on what you're trying to figure out.

If you are trying to explain the extent of damage taken by the corvette, its somewhat significant to know at what speed the Rav4 was traveling, no? a corvette traveling 127 mph hitting a stationary Rav4 would have a different result than one hitting a rav4 traveling ~45mph in the same direction, no?

true

But, this case is about the reckless driving of Ruggs. Even if the victim was driving 70, this would still be a horrific crash, as collision severity is based on closing speed.

[spurraider21]

If you cannot answer the question I asked, you're using bad faith. Anyone else would know that I am simply asking you for your legal opinion.
already said it wouldnt be admissible. nor did anybody claim it would be :lol

[spurraider21]

true

But, this case is about the reckless driving of Ruggs. Even if the victim was driving 70, this would still be a horrific crash, as collision severity is based on closing speed.
100% agree. but i dont think anybody was arguing this.

RG was taking on the OP's shitpost about how safe the corvette was. and instead of just letting it go he did some napkin math about how the RAV4 was in motion so the force of impact was different than hitting a wall.

it was unnecessary for him to dive into that nitty gritty, imo. but when he did, to account for the fact that the RAV4 was moving in the same direction as the corvette, and absent independent info, he suggested using the posted speed limit as a rough estimate for how fast the RAV4 was likely moving. i 100% agree that this is irrelevant re: ruggs' dui and recklessness.

[DMC]

already said it wouldnt be admissible. nor did anybody claim it would be :lol

link?

[spurraider21]

Then the answer is no, it would not be admissible because it doesn't control vehicle speed. Your "napkin math" hand wavium doesn't matter.


nobody ever said it would be admissible in court or that it was necessarily accurate. it was a rough guesstimate that you are taking entirely too seriously
me agreeing with your post that "no, it would not be admissible"

[DMC]

me agreeing with your post that "no, it would not be admissible"

Nobody ever said..

That's not the same as saying it's not admissible. You weren't agreeing.

[spurraider21]

Then the answer is no, it would not be admissible because it doesn't control vehicle speed. Your "napkin math" hand wavium doesn't matter.


Nobody ever said..

That's not the same as saying it's not admissible. My post didn't say it wouldn't be admissible. How could you have been agreeing with it?
ya know what. in the interest of moving on from a very boring conversation about nothing anybody is even disagreeing on, let me clear the air

no, it would not be admissible in a court of law to establish the speed of the RAV-4 :lol

[DMC]

ya know what. in the interest of moving on from a very boring conversation about nothing anybody is even disagreeing on, let me clear the air

no, it would not be admissible in a court of law to establish the speed of the RAV-4 :lol

You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. You refuse to answer then claim you did by denying having ever said it. You flip flop between formal discussion and informal discussion whenever it suits your argument. RG has napkin math but then you use my conclusion of your refusal to answer as if I stated it myself.

And still you haven't addressed the primary question - does the speed limit sign control vehicle speed?

Judge Roy Hallaran voice "Why isn't it admissible?"

[spurraider21]

You're trying to have your cake and eat it too. You refuse to answer then claim you did by denying having ever said it. You flip flop between formal discussion and informal discussion whenever it suits your argument. RG has napkin math but then you use my conclusion of your refusal to answer as if I stated it myself.

And still you haven't addressed the primary question - does the speed limit sign control vehicle speed?

Judge Roy Hallaran voice "Why isn't it admissible?"
what did i refuse to answer? i just said would not be admissible :lol now you're getting mad that i agree with you and never disagreed on this point?

[DMC]

what did i refuse to answer? i just said would not be admissible :lol now you're getting mad that i agree with you and never disagreed on this point?

Yeah when I get mad I channel judge Roy Hallaran.

[spurraider21]

Yeah when I get mad I channel judge Roy Hallaran.
clearly

[DMC]

clearly

Are you mocking me?

[spurraider21]

Are you mocking me?
yes

[DMC]

yes

See the bailiff.

[RandomGuy]

Then the answer is no, it would not be admissible because it doesn't control vehicle speed. Your "napkin math" hand wavium doesn't matter.

Strawman harder.

I take it back. You aren't too stupid to argue with, you are too dishonest.

[RandomGuy]

Are you mocking me?

Everybody does.

You do it to yourself. smh

[RandomGuy]

You guys still arguing about this? :lol

By the way, lots of traffic lights on that street, which makes Ruggs' speed even more insane.


Here's the scene


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1aB6WUwnb4

Crash happened late at night. FWTW.

[pgardn]

:lol my background is in particle physics. You're a tool.


Never said I was a particle physicist. You only know how to lie. You created the I LIE SUH assay.

I am so sorry DMC.
I apologize. Honest mistake.

Either way you are not going to talk about it because it in your area of expertise and you dont do requests in answering if it involves something you know well and or do.

Because you do not like to show off you knowledge. But you are very attracted to making fun of other people's line of work.

cmon man,
just stop with your shit.

[DMC]

I am so sorry DMC.
I apologize. Honest mistake.

Either way you are not going to talk about it because it in your area of expertise and you dont do requests in answering if it involves something you know well and or do.

Because you do not like to show off you knowledge. But you are very attracted to making fun of other people's line of work.

cmon man,
just stop with your shit.
Apology accepted.

You don't talk about what you do either. It's informally verboten here to talk about your own work. Instead we only drop hints but we don't become the helpdesk. You should know this already based on your time in grade.

Actually I think you'd be fascinated by what I do but that's neither here nor there.

[pgardn]

100% agree. but i dont think anybody was arguing this.

RG was taking on the OP's shitpost about how safe the corvette was. and instead of just letting it go he did some napkin math about how the RAV4 was in motion so the force of impact was different than hitting a wall.

it was unnecessary for him to dive into that nitty gritty, imo. but when he did, to account for the fact that the RAV4 was moving in the same direction as the corvette, and absent independent info, he suggested using the posted speed limit as a rough estimate for how fast the RAV4 was likely moving. i 100% agree that this is irrelevant re: ruggs' dui and recklessness.

And I added to the fray, posts will go off subject.
but in the interim I learned something about very specific car to car crashes that dont apply to car to barrier crashes and learned that a car crash into a safety barrier does exactly what I thought it did and is not considered a "crash" because its not car to car. I interjected because there were some things that did not make sense from a broader collision physics point of view when they were paring it about a very specific type of collision, todays car impacts. I learned something I would not have expected so Im good with it all. Sorry the rest of the board had to endure it. (I would have just stopped reading it personally)

[DMC]

Everybody does.

You do it to yourself. smh

It's a reference to My Cousin Vinny, Judge Chamberlain Haller (I was saying Roy Hallaran :lol )

:lol

[pgardn]

Apology accepted.

You don't talk about what you do either. It's informally verboten here to talk about your own work. Instead we only drop hints but we don't become the helpdesk. You should know this already based on your time in grade.

Actually I think you'd be fascinated by what I do but that's neither here nor there.

You dont have to talk exactly about everyday stuff and the business.

But you can certainly talk about the subject material in general. I disagree with the bolded.
And it is here and there for me because I personally am around people who have a lot of expertise in areas I do not and I learn a lot.
So anytime you are willing to share. I doubt anyone here really wants to know whats currently going on with figuring out protein structure.
But the truth is because I like science as a whole and talk about it constantly away from work over a beer and as such I am inclined to ask questions.
This probably would have never happened if the Spurs had not completely fallen apart and gone off air for me.

[DMC]

The theoretical aspect isn't nearly as interesting to me as the application. For that reason I won't get into theory. Even over a beer I will usually only discuss methods and ideas but that's not to say theory isn't important. I just feel that everything can be stratified into theory and at some level that eventually seems to nullify the coolness factor of the application. Charge is charge, dielectric acts like dielectric whether or not it's in a component or the vacuum between two metal plates. Capacitor charge and discharge curves all look about the same. Paschen events can be graphed out but seeing it happen IRL is way cooler. It's the application that's different. You take a ton of metal and controllers and you make a particle fragment. That's pretty cool.

The problem with discussing anything online like that is some Googler wants to sling equations at you and challenge everything you say when they've never laid eyes on the actual device. I don't care for that. Not without the mutually agreed upon troll caveat.

[DMC]

Strawman harder.

I take it back. You aren't too stupid to argue with, you are too dishonest.

Maybe instead of doubling down on the "controls vehicle speed" faux pas, you should have simply backed up and used a different term. I gave you that option. I didn't get into the fray of crash expertise because I am not a fucking crash expert.

[RandomGuy]

Maybe instead of doubling down on the "controls vehicle speed" faux pas, you should have simply backed up and used a different term. I gave you that option. I didn't get into the fray of crash expertise because I am not a fucking crash expert.

:lol

Translation:
"I finally realized what you are getting at and will hide my embarrassment behind pedantic ramblings."

smh

[DMC]

Either speed limit signs control vehicle speeds or they don't.

You're moving the goalposts and throwing a fit because I won't play along.

Was "control" just a bad choice of words?


:lol

Translation:
"I finally realized what you are getting at and will hide my embarrassment behind pedantic ramblings."

smh

Why would I need to "realize what you were getting at"?

Getting at?

Your poor choice of wording was likely intentional because you were trying to prove something that was flawed from the start. You got emotionally invested in your shit take. That's always a bad thing, you of all people should have learned that by now.

[SpursforSix]

Seems like the death wasn't Rugg's fault...

"Firemen did not attempt to extinguish the fire at Ms. Tintor's vehicle for approximately 20 minutes at which time the entire vehicle was engulfed in flames," defense attorneys David Chesnoff and Richard Schonfeld said in a Wednesday court filing that does not identify their witness.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32607633/henry-ruggs-lawyers-witness-says-firefighters-slow-extinguish-tina-tintor-vehicle-fatal-crash

[DarrinS]

Seems like the death wasn't Rugg's fault...

"Firemen did not attempt to extinguish the fire at Ms. Tintor's vehicle for approximately 20 minutes at which time the entire vehicle was engulfed in flames," defense attorneys David Chesnoff and Richard Schonfeld said in a Wednesday court filing that does not identify their witness.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32607633/henry-ruggs-lawyers-witness-says-firefighters-slow-extinguish-tina-tintor-vehicle-fatal-crash


No, it was definitely his fault.

[RandomGuy]

No, it was definitely his fault.

victim was probably dead by the time the firemen got there. one does not last long breathing fire. She died horribly, but quickly, and it is probably better that she did rather than live with the burns, IMO.

The death was absolutely Ruggs fault.

[RandomGuy]

Why would I need to "realize what you were getting at"?

Getting at?

Your poor choice of wording was likely intentional because you were trying to prove something that was flawed from the start. You got emotionally invested in your shit take. That's always a bad thing, you of all people should have learned that by now.

You are boring me to death. fucking get over getting your pee pee spanked. again.

[DMC]

Seems like the death wasn't Rugg's fault...

"Firemen did not attempt to extinguish the fire at Ms. Tintor's vehicle for approximately 20 minutes at which time the entire vehicle was engulfed in flames," defense attorneys David Chesnoff and Richard Schonfeld said in a Wednesday court filing that does not identify their witness.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32607633/henry-ruggs-lawyers-witness-says-firefighters-slow-extinguish-tina-tintor-vehicle-fatal-crash

This doesn't jive. The civilian who tried to help was overcome with smoke and flames prior to the arrival of the FD.

[DMC]

You are boring me to death. fucking get over getting your pee pee spanked. again.

Whatever delusional narrative makes you sleep better I suppose :lol

[RandomGuy]

Whatever delusional narrative makes you sleep better I suppose :lol

Seriously, this was the dumbest argument I have ever had to be involved in, and that includes arguing with cosmoron for years about the moon landing.

This was worse than that. Your autistic screeching here will go down in legend.

[pgardn]

The theoretical aspect isn't nearly as interesting to me as the application. For that reason I won't get into theory. Even over a beer I will usually only discuss methods and ideas but that's not to say theory isn't important. I just feel that everything can be stratified into theory and at some level that eventually seems to nullify the coolness factor of the application. Charge is charge, dielectric acts like dielectric whether or not it's in a component or the vacuum between two metal plates. Capacitor charge and discharge curves all look about the same. Paschen events can be graphed out but seeing it happen IRL is way cooler. It's the application that's different. You take a ton of metal and controllers and you make a particle fragment. That's pretty cool.

The problem with discussing anything online like that is some Googler wants to sling equations at you and challenge everything you say when they've never laid eyes on the actual device. I don't care for that. Not without the mutually agreed upon troll caveat.

The theory and application are intertwined and it should be obvious by now I like both.
Making a capacitor out of foil with the dialectric some thin plastic. Knowing the plastic must be larger than the two pieces of foil taped to either side. Hook up one side of foil to a hand cranked Van de Graff the other side to an outlet ground. You have no idea how much charge either side will hold but you discharge in very slowly after a few cranks. Use the finger test across the foil to get some idea of how much you are charging the capacitor. All home made crap and fun. I am totally into fooling around with stuff. This is basement level stuff. Turn off the lights and discharge it after a lot of cranking and see that big blue discharge. Why is it blue or white, why did it discharge at the same spot across the capacitor and now a different one. "Shit it discharged right through the diaelectric.." on and on...

You have to know the theory to even put the whole thing together in the first place. Making them into rings and asking your wife or friend to grab either side... Theory again dictates you know you might really need to be careful on a dry cold day with the charging. Seeing how long it takes for the charge difference to dissipate... The fun is talking about both. If you just know that it works you want to know what the model is (and yes sometimes the math) so you can do it again and in a different way. If you just know the theory you want to see someone or try to put something together yourself. The practical and theory go together which is why I dont make fun of others jobs because there very often is something interesting about the way they go about it that I dont know because I dont do it everyday. I dont live it, so I ask about it.

There are so many examples. Looking at all the different types of coil setups that farmers used to construct to try and "steal" power from the transmission lines. These were extraordinarily creative. If you know the theory and see someone build something you can take a look at it and see and or ask, why did you do it this way, what does that affect? This is my attraction to physics sometimes over what I actually do which is tedious, high variable. And there are really no great fundamental equations with biology because there are way too many variables to be able to describe it with math.

Your gun stuff and snipers hitting things at long range. Seems incredibly lucky with all the things that could change with one shot missed and you get another try. If you talk to someone who actually does this versus googling shit, you know. You can just tell by how they write it or talk about it to you. I do this quite a bit everyday so its fairly easy to tell when people are inflating things just to look good in front of people they dont even know. If you get tested everyday with real people working together you gather strengths and weaknesses and know how to put a working group together so this online bravado... strange. Google cant touch what comes easily out of a persons mouth right in front of you. Or if you dig a little deeper because you are bored online.

[DMC]

The theory and application are intertwined and it should be obvious by now I like both.
Making a capacitor out of foil with the dialectric some thin plastic. Knowing the plastic must be larger than the two pieces of foil taped to either side. Hook up one side of foil to a hand cranked Van de Graff the other side to an outlet ground. You have no idea how much charge either side will hold but you discharge in very slowly after a few cranks. Use the finger test across the foil to get some idea of how much you are charging the capacitor. All home made crap and fun. I am totally into fooling around with stuff. This is basement level stuff. Turn off the lights and discharge it after a lot of cranking and see that big blue discharge. Why is it blue or white, why did it discharge at the same spot across the capacitor and now a different one. "Shit it discharged right through the diaelectric.." on and on...

You have to know the theory to even put the whole thing together in the first place. Making them into rings and asking your wife or friend to grab either side... Theory again dictates you know you might really need to be careful on a dry cold day with the charging. Seeing how long it takes for the charge difference to dissipate... The fun is talking about both. If you just know that it works you want to know what the model is (and yes sometimes the math) so you can do it again and in a different way. If you just know the theory you want to see someone or try to put something together yourself. The practical and theory go together which is why I dont make fun of others jobs because there very often is something interesting about the way they go about it that I dont know because I dont do it everyday. I dont live it, so I ask about it.

There are so many examples. Looking at all the different types of coil setups that farmers used to construct to try and "steal" power from the transmission lines. These were extraordinarily creative. If you know the theory and see someone build something you can take a look at it and see and or ask, why did you do it this way, what does that affect? This is my attraction to physics sometimes over what I actually do which is tedious, high variable. And there are really no great fundamental equations with biology because there are way too many variables to be able to describe it with math.

Your gun stuff and snipers hitting things at long range. Seems incredibly lucky with all the things that could change with one shot missed and you get another try. If you talk to someone who actually does this versus googling shit, you know. You can just tell by how they write it or talk about it to you. I do this quite a bit everyday so its fairly easy to tell when people are inflating things just to look good in front of people they dont even know. If you get tested everyday with real people working together you gather strengths and weaknesses and know how to put a working group together so this online bravado... strange. Google cant touch what comes easily out of a persons mouth right in front of you. Or if you dig a little deeper because you are bored online.

Case in point, I mention the capacitive effect and you talk about building a capacitor out of pie plates. If I mention space charge someone talks about outer space. I mention high vacuum and someone talks about suction.

[DMC]

Seriously, this was the dumbest argument I have ever had to be involved in, and that includes arguing with cosmoron for years about the moon landing.

This was worse than that. Your autistic screeching here will go down in legend.

But you didn't have to be involved in it. You chose to be involved to try to recover what you thought you'd lost to DarrinS. I saw your response and realized you were embarrassed and decided to have a little fun with you. Your ego makes you always easy prey and good for a laugh.

[Blake]

If you cannot answer the question I asked, you're using bad faith. Anyone else would know that I am simply asking you for your legal opinion.

Because you're the honest broker here!

[DMC]

Because you're the honest broker here!

I am being honest. Not as forthcoming as you were, but still.

[RandomGuy]

But you didn't have to be involved in it. You chose to be involved to try to recover what you thought you'd lost to DarrinS. I saw your response and realized you were embarrassed and decided to have a little fun with you. Your ego makes you always easy prey and good for a laugh.

A small-minded personal attack that reeks of projection. Have your delusions, boy.

[pgardn]

Case in point, I mention the capacitive effect and you talk about building a capacitor out of pie plates. If I mention space charge someone talks about outer space. I mention high vacuum and someone talks about suction.

Case in point it shows interest in the broad aspects of a subject. Not the nitty gritty of a very specific case.
YOUR SUPPOSED WORK CAN LEAD TO GENERAL DISCUSSION.
You have a problem with this. This is exactly what happened with the car crash.

Pie plates... gtfoh wtf....? Unwrinkled sheets of foil. Just make shit up why dont you. Pie plates... what have you been watching?
Did I get into the specifics of protein folding? Ever? No. Because it would bore the shit out of most as they would have no idea what I was saying.
But I could clearly get into why it has importance in for example, the Covid virus binding to certain human cells. Why one of Darrin's videos said the opposite of the point it was trying to make.
See again you have no idea what you are talking about. You just need to feel all of this is BENEATH YOUR STANDARDS.
I interject broader physics into a specific case of car crashes and learn something. You come in, dont even read whats going on, and get upset when you get shown the door. I interject broader concepts into capacitors, you pftttt... it and say this is why I dont talk shop? YOUR SHOP leads to other interesting things as does my protein shit.

You are clearly intimidated. I spell it out for you and then you cant even see it.
It fairly well known that older people have a hard time branching out and learning new things. The brain becomes sort of hardwired.
You are a case study.

And the bolded is complete bullshit.

[pgardn]

But you didn't have to be involved in it. You chose to be involved to try to recover what you thought you'd lost to DarrinS. I saw your response and realized you were embarrassed and decided to have a little fun with you. Your ego makes you always easy prey and good for a laugh.


I am being honest. Not as forthcoming as you were, but still.

The above it total BS.

You stepped in it.
You did even know the corvette speed was already taken. And... you thought the speed limit sign was useless and that RG had made a random guess when it was perfectly reasonable ball park figure which was what was being discussed as there are many variables in this case. Dont try to generate a new characterization of your role in this thread.

[DMC]

The above it total BS.

You stepped in it.
You did even know the corvette speed was already taken. And... you thought the speed limit sign was useless and that RG had made a random guess when it was perfectly reasonable ball park figure which was what was being discussed as there are many variables in this case. Dont try to generate a new characterization of your role in this thread.

What part of it is BS?

Did you even read what I was responding to? Of course not.

The SL was useless. It doesn't control the speed of the vehicle. Could you look at a 30.06 sign as an entry team to know anyone in the building is armed?

[DMC]

Case in point it shows interest in the broad aspects of a subject. Not the nitty gritty of a very specific case.
YOUR SUPPOSED WORK CAN LEAD TO GENERAL DISCUSSION.
You have a problem with this. This is exactly what happened with the car crash.

Pie plates... gtfoh wtf....? Unwrinkled sheets of foil. Just make shit up why dont you. Pie plates... what have you been watching?
Did I get into the specifics of protein folding? Ever? No. Because it would bore the shit out of most as they would have no idea what I was saying.
But I could clearly get into why it has importance in for example, the Covid virus binding to certain human cells. Why one of Darrin's videos said the opposite of the point it was trying to make.
See again you have no idea what you are talking about. You just need to feel all of this is BENEATH YOUR STANDARDS.
I interject broader physics into a specific case of car crashes and learn something. You come in, dont even read whats going on, and get upset when you get shown the door. I interject broader concepts into capacitors, you pftttt... it and say this is why I dont talk shop? YOUR SHOP leads to other interesting things as does my protein shit.

You are clearly intimidated. I spell it out for you and then you cant even see it.
It fairly well known that older people have a hard time branching out and learning new things. The brain becomes sort of hardwired.
You are a case study.

And the bolded is complete bullshit.

It's a common experiment to take pie tins and make a homemade capacitor using a 9V battery. The principles of electricity are interesting, but the capacitance in UHV is a side effect, something unwanted that develops and isn't obvious. Capacitance in a lot of things isn't obvious, an the number of things you can find that are in reality capacitors is almost unlimited. So if you want to discuss reactive components, that's fine, but I believe with you it would go quickly to equations instead of application. That's all I meant.

I know enough about proteins to follow, but I am not interested in it.

Also the ageism statement is :lol

[pgardn]

It's a common experiment to take pie tins and make a homemade capacitor using a 9V battery. The principles of electricity are interesting, but the capacitance in UHV is a side effect, something unwanted that develops and isn't obvious. Capacitance in a lot of things isn't obvious, an the number of things you can find that are in reality capacitors is almost unlimited. So if you want to discuss reactive components, that's fine, but I believe with you it would go quickly to equations instead of application. That's all I meant.

I know enough about proteins to follow, but I am not interested in it.

Also the ageism statement is :lol

Nah the ageism thing is clear and it looks like we are getting a hold on it.
Try to learn a new language the older you get. Very difficult.
Your are born with all the neurons your brain will ever have.
They die from there on out or are fired and used. This use of specific neuronal pathways built from the environment stimulation and then death occurring in neurons that are not used creates what really is a brain in constant change. Older people are supposed to be wise from experience. but you dont start with older people and teach them brand new math, its too difficult. hard wired. Those days are gone. You may not like it, but thats the way it appears to be. Almost all of the great physics minds did their best work in their 20s and 30s. This is why kids go to school when they are young to learn a wide variety of subjects. Its tougher to learn brand new ways of thinking when your logic pathways are already "burned" in.

And I totally agree the principles of electricity are interesting but the math is difficult. Maxwell's 4 equations. which I at one time understood is gone. But not Michael Faraday's life and experiments and Maxwell's ability to take Faraday and put it to math. But Faraday and his fundamental experiments and what he saw and how tedious this stuff was is incredible. And yes I like seeing sparks or a big discharge or colored glowing crap.
To me the most interesting thing is the finding that moving a wire through a magnetic field in a particular orientation creates a current, thus a voltage difference. The basic principle behind turbines. The biggest contribution so far in our ability to tame potential energy imo. This of course is the fundamental part of capacitance, a separation of charge which is the beginning of understanding the electric field (just like a gravitational field) allows us to "discharge" the energy or "even the difference" and while this is happening transfer the energy into something else useful.

If you dont have a basic understanding of how important the shapes of proteins are, and that genetic material basically determines this fundamentally, you cant really understand as much about what is going on with medicine in general. Proteins, are the most important biological molecules because they can fold in so many ways and perform more functions by far compared to any other group of major biological molecules. Basic understanding of the immune system and why it can make antibodies to almost anything comes from this. Should be taught in HS biology imo. DNA ------>Protein Huge. The big picture is very important.
btw, there are many examples of biological systems that separate charge using.... well ultimately energy from the sun or sometimes straight from the electron configuration of some basic molecule (like H2S)

[pgardn]

What part of it is BS?

Did you even read what I was responding to? Of course not.

The SL was useless. It doesn't control the speed of the vehicle. Could you look at a 30.06 sign as an entry team to know anyone in the building is armed?

This is such BS. Yes it is.

Of course it does not, but it does give you a REASONABLE range to work from.
It is a perfectly reasonable place to start in this situation. Time the vehicles contact each other ALSO varies. But not enough to make a huge difference in the severity or whatever the car guys call it, of the crash. This really starts to get into significance of decimal places that you are not seeing. If the cars were going in different DIRECTIONS, the delta Vs that Darrin and RG were referring to would be additive which would be very significant. This is much more important than you griping about the speed limit sign "apparently able to turn cars in another direction"

[pgardn]

And I totally agree the principles of electricity are interesting but the math is difficult. Maxwell's 4 equations. which I at one time understood is gone. But not Michael Faraday's life and experiments and Maxwell's ability to take Faraday and put it to math. But Faraday and his fundamental experiments and what he saw and how tedious this stuff was is incredible. And yes I like seeing sparks or a big discharge or colored glowing crap.
To me the most interesting thing is the finding that moving a wire through a magnetic field in a particular orientation creates a current, thus a voltage difference. The basic principle behind turbines. The biggest contribution so far in our ability to tame potential energy imo. This of course is the fundamental part of capacitance, a separation of charge which is the beginning of understanding the electric field (just like a gravitational field) allows us to "discharge" the energy or "even the difference" and while this is happening transfer the energy into something else useful.



I believe BB said he still understands the Maxwell 4.
I already said I was not gifted at math but I can understand it easily enough.
The basic low down on the importance of calculus and integration is incredibly interesting and very understandable, but doing the algebra to just get to the point where one can differentiate or integrate tougher equations must be practiced constantly imo.