I really wish instead of trading Kawhi to Raptors PATFO just sat him for 2 years and don't pay him.

[kw780101]

Seeing things unfold with the 76ers and Ben Simmons and how people are shitting on him for being a unprofessional diva bitch.
I can't help but imagine how great it'd be if PATFO had called out his bullshit and say the medical team didn't misdiagnosed him, he's cleared to play and he's not getting paid if he refuse to play.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Nah. I thought so too at the time but this is more emotional than rational. It's also terrible for the team's relationship with agents, which matters. The rational thing is to recognize an irreparable relationship as early as possible and act quickly. Spurs should have traded the snake at least 6 months prior to when they actually did.

Say what you want about that trade, and yeah it wasn't great because his value had crashed, but the Spurs now have 2 starters out of it + a few future picks from the DDR trade.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Kawhi thread!

[The Truth #6]

Nah. I thought so too at the time but this is more emotional than rational. It's also terrible for the team's relationship with agents, which matters. The rational thing is to recognize an irreparable relationship as early as possible and act quickly. Spurs should have traded the snake at least 6 months prior to when they actually did.

Say what you want about that trade, and yeah it wasn't great because his value had crashed, but the Spurs now have 2 starters out of it + a few future picks from the DDR trade.

That’s the best way to look at it. I agree.

[BillMc]

Nah. I thought so too at the time but this is more emotional than rational. It's also terrible for the team's relationship with agents, which matters. The rational thing is to recognize an irreparable relationship as early as possible and act quickly. Spurs should have traded the snake at least 6 months prior to when they actually did.

Say what you want about that trade, and yeah it wasn't great because his value had crashed, but the Spurs now have 2 starters out of it + a few future picks from the DDR trade.

Exactly. And when you back it up further, the value obtained by trading George Hill was pretty staggering.


Kawhi thread!

It's the new era Scola thread. (Do the kiddies even know who Luis Scola is?)

[poopbox]

I wish we would have just held out for the lakers haul because lebron was going to eventually demand the lakers give up all their young players and picks for another star, and at that time Kawhi was THE star. We could have had all their 1st round picks and young players to either play or trade away for more picks. So sad that the front office couldn't hold their water. But Lamarcus had already castrated Pop by this point so the old man didn't have any balls to swing around and drop on the table

I also contend some team like the kings, or suns, or mavs, would have gotten desperate and given us everything they had as well.

All we got out of Kawhi was Poeltl and Keldon. That is laughably bad for a guy who at the time this was happen was viewed by some as the best player in basketball.

Oh well, it is what it is.

[Jordan Jackson]

He was always going to the Clippers.

It was fun watching Doc Rivers tamper with nephew non-stop only to end up eventually getting thrown under the bus by him.

Anyway. No one cares because it happen to the Spurs. Sixers are a big market - NBA/media cares about that shit.

[KDKSpurs24]

They most likely wouldn’t have been shitting on Kawhi like they’re doing with Ben dude. Ben has already been a running joke since he can’t shoot and underperformed in the 4th quarters of the playoffs and not wanting to dunk over a way smaller Trae Young got him killed by fans and media

[Kurgan]

I wish we would have just held out for the lakers haul because lebron was going to eventually demand the lakers give up all their young players and picks for another star, and at that time Kawhi was THE star. We could have had all their 1st round picks and young players to either play or trade away for more picks. So sad that the front office couldn't hold their water. But Lamarcus had already castrated Pop by this point so the old man didn't have any balls to swing around and drop on the table

I also contend some team like the kings, or suns, or mavs, would have gotten desperate and given us everything they had as well.

All we got out of Kawhi was Poeltl and Keldon. That is laughably bad for a guy who at the time this was happen was viewed by some as the best player in basketball.

Oh well, it is what it is.

There's no way Lakers were ever giving up the Davis haul for Kawhi. Every one of their trade demands forced the Spurs to eat that terrible Deng contract. And Ingram is not some can't miss talent. He's a box score stat padder like DeMar, except he also has a three point shot. Overall, a neg impact player that doesn't help you win games.

And technically, the Kawhi haul could end up being Jakob + Keldon + Thad Young + whatever the Bulls pick ends up being. If they can flip Thad for something, even better.

[Kurgan]

Also, Sixers can get away with this approach because they're a big market team. Spurs were getting crucified by the media , urging them to trade Nephew. If Sixers got that same treatment and coverage, they would have already traded Simmons

[baseline bum]

I wish we would have just held out for the lakers haul because lebron was going to eventually demand the lakers give up all their young players and picks for another star, and at that time Kawhi was THE star. We could have had all their 1st round picks and young players to either play or trade away for more picks. So sad that the front office couldn't hold their water. But Lamarcus had already castrated Pop by this point so the old man didn't have any balls to swing around and drop on the table

I also contend some team like the kings, or suns, or mavs, would have gotten desperate and given us everything they had as well.

All we got out of Kawhi was Poeltl and Keldon. That is laughably bad for a guy who at the time this was happen was viewed by some as the best player in basketball.

Oh well, it is what it is.

The centerpiece of the Davis haul was that #4 pick, which obviously the Spurs wouldn't have gotten trading Leonard since a team with James and Leonard is a title contender and not a lottery team.

[slick'81]

Ill keep poodle ,and kj thank you very much

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

There's no way Lakers were ever giving up the Davis haul for Kawhi. Every one of their trade demands forced the Spurs to eat that terrible Deng contract. And Ingram is not some can't miss talent. He's a box score stat padder like DeMar, except he also has a three point shot. Overall, a neg impact player that doesn't help you win games.

And technically, the Kawhi haul could end up being Jakob + Keldon + Thad Young + whatever the Bulls pick ends up being. If they can flip Thad for something, even better.

Maybe wait until the DDR-less spurs dont eat total ass before you throw that net-negative shade at DeMar-velous

[MultiTroll]

Would love to see some team call these divas bluff.
Spurs? Ya when he pulled that "I will only go to LA" stuff you watch how fast he would change his tune if Spurs made him sit.

PATFO thought we'll really show him by shipping him to Toronto. What a massive backfire.

Demar? Should have traded he and Softridge 5 years before they did. Paying Aldridge off was a disgrace.

[RC_Drunkford]

This thread is useless. Simmons is on a way longer deal than Nephew was

[KobesAchilles]

I mean what did we even really lose by trading Kawhi for DDR? That's my counterpoint. Unless we somehow would've gotten Luka (the real fucking luka not the future potential starter/all star player that RC drafted and fans here clamored about) there's nothing that we missed out on. Well I guess Trae Young but I'm not that high on him.

There is no young player that would really get us on that path to greatness. I know it's strange for me to say that since I'm on the pro-tank squad, but that's just the truth. There was no trade out there that would make us a playoff team today

[Leetonidas]

Why the fuck would anyone want to drag that bullshit out for 2 years? Philly looks stupid as hell right now

[Dex]

Why the fuck would anyone want to drag that bullshit out for 2 years? Philly looks stupid as hell right now

Really some shady shit from Klutch and Simmons, tbh.

They know there is no way you can quantify "mental health issues" which was their last ditch effort...and now they are claiming that by "forcing" Simmons to be treated for the mental health issues that he claims to be having, the Sixers are making his mental health worse.

I'm sorry, dude just seems like a big fucking baby to me, and doesn't want to be held accountable for failing to live up to his contract. It's a disgrace to the millions of people in this world who are legitimately suffering from mental health issues that aren't related to the fact that they can't just sit around doing nothing and collect million dollar paychecks.

[Leetonidas]

Really some shady shit from Klutch and Simmons, tbh.

They know there is no way you can quantify "mental health issues" which was their last ditch effort...and now they are claiming that by "forcing" Simmons to be treated for the mental health issues that he claims to be having, the Sixers are making his mental health worse.

I'm sorry, dude just seems like a big fucking baby to me, and doesn't want to be held accountable for failing to live up to his contract. It's a disgrace to the millions of people in this world who are legitimately suffering from mental health issues that aren't related to the fact that they can't just sit around doing nothing and collect million dollar paychecks.

Oh I don't disagree. I'm just saying Philly wasting a year of Embiids prime to stick it to Simmons is dumb. Nothing they have done has increased his value, its only plummeted. And dragging it out isn't going to make it better. I have no idea why Morey thinks he's going to trade a diva with a massive contract whose value is at an all time low for a better player in return, it makes no sense and they just look stupider every day they don't deal him and move on. The circus has gotten really old at this point imho

[TDomination]

you just end up screwing over those players who are actually playing and trying to win.

[tbdog]

They holding out for Lillard. It seems pretty obvious. Portland has had a slow start.

[Dex]

They holding out for Lillard. It seems pretty obvious. Portland has had a slow start.

Their president/CEO (McGowan) also resigned today, and and their GM (Olshey) is under investigation. The franchise as a whole is definitely in a spiral right now, which could be the last straw for Lillard.

[ismael-robert]

This guy just baited yall into another useless thread but what's sadder is actually discussing it lol

[Arcadian]

Hehe, that would've been funny

[Arcadian]

It's also terrible for the team's relationship with agents, which matters.

Well maybe that would be a message for agents to advise their clients to not act like pieces of shit?

[exstatic]

I wish we would have just held out for the lakers haul because lebron was going to eventually demand the lakers give up all their young players and picks for another star, and at that time Kawhi was THE star. We could have had all their 1st round picks and young players to either play or trade away for more picks. So sad that the front office couldn't hold their water. But Lamarcus had already castrated Pop by this point so the old man didn't have any balls to swing around and drop on the table

I also contend some team like the kings, or suns, or mavs, would have gotten desperate and given us everything they had as well.

All we got out of Kawhi was Poeltl and Keldon. That is laughably bad for a guy who at the time this was happen was viewed by some as the best player in basketball.

Oh well, it is what it is.

There was no Lakers haul. Kuzma and Hart. Magic was in bed with Uncle Dennis.

[Dex]

This guy just baited yall into another useless thread but what's sadder is actually discussing it lol

Hate to be the one to break it to you...but now you are in here participating, too. :lol

[exstatic]

Well maybe that would be a message for agents to advise their clients to not act like pieces of shit?
Agents work for players, not the other way around.

[Arcadian]

Agents work for players, not the other way around.

Yeah, and their job is to give good advice.

[ambchang]

I find it hilarious small market teams worry about pissing off agents or potential stars. Those guys never sign with small market teams. It’s either LA, Ny/Brooklyn or Miami. Even major cities like Chicago, Dallas, Houston, or even San Fran (if it wasn’t for 73 wins) have a hard time luring FAs.

[exstatic]

Yeah, and their job is to give good advice.

Their job is to negotiate contracts. Period. Advice will get you fired.

[kht]

We got Poetl... three years of Derozan and KJ.

[daslicer]

I find it hilarious small market teams worry about pissing off agents or potential stars. Those guys never sign with small market teams. It’s either LA, Ny/Brooklyn or Miami. Even major cities like Chicago, Dallas, Houston, or even San Fran (if it wasn’t for 73 wins) have a hard time luring FAs.

Agreed I never understand that logic being scared to offend agents or potential stars when you know they are not coming to San Antonio anyways. Guys that sign here through FA come here because it's the only place where they can get the most money. The Spurs would have still gotten a FA like McDermott, Collins regardless of how they treated Kawhi and Uncle Dennis. These type of guys are not going to think "The Spurs treated Kawhi badly and therefore I will not sign with the Spurs even though no other team can give me better offers." Then there are the Lebrons, Durants of this world and these guys are never going to sign with the Spurs anyways. Stupid logic in here by some posters fearing that agents and stars wouldn't come here if the Spurs held strong against Kawhi like the Sixers are doing right now with Simmons.

[daslicer]

Nah. I thought so too at the time but this is more emotional than rational. It's also terrible for the team's relationship with agents, which matters. The rational thing is to recognize an irreparable relationship as early as possible and act quickly. Spurs should have traded the snake at least 6 months prior to when they actually did.

Say what you want about that trade, and yeah it wasn't great because his value had crashed, but the Spurs now have 2 starters out of it + a few future picks from the DDR trade.

Yes the Spurs have two starters on a lottery team that's not going to go anywhere anytime soon. Keldon is undersized and playing out of position. Poeltll is just a solid player at best. I'll be amazed if one day they can be starters on a Spurs team that is elite. Until that happens they don't move the needle in my eyes. Spurs got just 1 first round pick from the Demar-Bulls trade and that pick is protected which means it will probably be a shitty late first round pick if the Bulls record holds up and there is no chance the Spurs will ever get a lottery pick out of it since it's protected. They also got two second round picks out of trade which will most likely not amount to anything. Overall so far the Kawhi trade was garbage. It will stay garbage unless the Spurs hit a home run with the picks the bulls gave them and draft a superstar.

[daslicer]

Nah. I thought so too at the time but this is more emotional than rational. It's also terrible for the team's relationship with agents, which matters. The rational thing is to recognize an irreparable relationship as early as possible and act quickly. Spurs should have traded the snake at least 6 months prior to when they actually did.

Say what you want about that trade, and yeah it wasn't great because his value had crashed, but the Spurs now have 2 starters out of it + a few future picks from the DDR trade.

The Spurs would have only damaged their relationship with Agent Uncle Dennis. I don't see any other agents they would have damaged their relationship with had they held strong against Kawhi.

[daslicer]

Also, Sixers can get away with this approach because they're a big market team. Spurs were getting crucified by the media , urging them to trade Nephew. If Sixers got that same treatment and coverage, they would have already traded Simmons

I disagree with you Morey by nature does not give a shit about the media's opinion. That was evident with his stand against China and all the the crazy things he's done in the past. Spurs let the media punk them while the Sixer's didn't. Sixers did not let Simmons's and his team set the narrative. They weren't scared to call him out on his bs. The problem with the Spurs they weren't willing to do the same with Kawhi. They were too scared and ended up losing the battle in humiliating fashion.

[daslicer]

Oh I don't disagree. I'm just saying Philly wasting a year of Embiids prime to stick it to Simmons is dumb. Nothing they have done has increased his value, its only plummeted. And dragging it out isn't going to make it better. I have no idea why Morey thinks he's going to trade a diva with a massive contract whose value is at an all time low for a better player in return, it makes no sense and they just look stupider every day they don't deal him and move on. The circus has gotten really old at this point imho

This year of Embiid's prime was already wasted when Simmon's pulled his stunt. Do you honestly believe if they trade Simmons for some good role players they are going to win a tile with the team they currently have? I personally don't see it happening. You rarely win in this league with just 1 superstar and a collection of good role players. That has only been pulled off 3 times in the last 30 years with Hakeem in '94, Duncan in '03, and Dirk in '11. I doubt Embiid could pull it off.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yes the Spurs have two starters on a lottery team that's not going to go anywhere anytime soon. Keldon is undersized and playing out of position. Poeltll is just a solid player at best. I'll be amazed if one day they can be starters on a Spurs team that is elite. Until that happens they don't move the needle in my eyes. Spurs got just 1 first round pick from the Demar-Bulls trade and that pick is protected which means it will probably be a shitty late first round pick if the Bulls record holds up and there is no chance the Spurs will ever get a lottery pick out of it since it's protected. They also got two second round picks out of trade which will most likely not amount to anything. Overall so far the Kawhi trade was garbage. It will stay garbage unless the Spurs hit a home run with the picks the bulls gave them and draft a superstar.

Well if you’re strictly considering everything as assets you could say the Spurs got 3 firsts and 2 seconds out of that trade. And sure, most likely no one will become a difference maker, however, that’s how things go for everyone when trading away a superstar. Have NO got anything substantial from the Davis trade? By the same logic no - couple of ok players and late firsts that won’t amount to anything. Houston only got what are projected to be late picks for Harden, etc. In every such case the best assets of the team that trades a superstar are their own picks, not the ones they acquire.

[exstatic]

We got Poetl... three years of Derozan and KJ.

And Young, a Chicago 1st, and three 2nds, including a very likely shot at Detroits this year.

[Maddog]

And Young, a Chicago 1st, and three 2nds, including a very likely shot at Detroits this year.

And a title. Thinking back on all the small market expats you have to go back to probably Lew Alcindor and the bucks to find a star who contributed to a title before leaving

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

And a title. Thinking back on all the small market expats you have to go back to probably Lew Alcindor and the bucks to find a star who contributed to a title before leaving

and lecramp

[Maddog]

and lecramp

Yes,
I forgot him. Sort of an unused one since he left then came back after they accumulated multiple lottery picks

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Yes,
I forgot him. Sort of an unused one since he left then came back after they accumulated multiple lottery picks

i just like saying lecramp tbh

[SayTown]

Oh I don't disagree. I'm just saying Philly wasting a year of Embiids prime to stick it to Simmons is dumb. Nothing they have done has increased his value, its only plummeted. And dragging it out isn't going to make it better. I have no idea why Morey thinks he's going to trade a diva with a massive contract whose value is at an all time low for a better player in return, it makes no sense and they just look stupider every day they don't deal him and move on. The circus has gotten really old at this point imho

Yeah but this also sets a bad precedent for the league, other players see what happens with players like Kawhi, Harden and Simmons and then everyone who doesn't like their situation will start pulling this crap. Teams need to put their foot down and stop catering to the demands of players still under contract.

[Leetonidas]

This year of Embiid's prime was already wasted when Simmon's pulled his stunt. Do you honestly believe if they trade Simmons for some good role players they are going to win a tile with the team they currently have? I personally don't see it happening. You rarely win in this league with just 1 superstar and a collection of good role players. That has only been pulled off 3 times in the last 30 years with Hakeem in '94, Duncan in '03, and Dirk in '11. I doubt Embiid could pull it off.
Yeah actually I do. The 6ers are solid and adding depth or stacking talent for a better trade would benefit them this season. The league looks as wide open as it ever has, the time for a team like them to maximize their chances to win a ring is right now.

[KingKev]

https://bleacherreport.com/post/nba/e19aa43b-6211-4346-8388-1c65ff0075c8

It still hurrrrrts

[poopbox]

Should have just held onto him until a team gave us exactly what we wanted but Pop has always been a pussy when it comes to confrontation so we effectively traded Kawhi for Keldon, Poeltl, and a future 1st round Chicago pick. Terrible

[The Truth #6]

Pop got his coaching record. The DDR years were all about that, in retrospect. In my opinion. I suppose years later it will be cool to see pop mentioned for the All-time record and all that, but for now the DDR years really tried the fan base’s patience, because now we’re still getting worse every year, with rock-bottom hitting next year, most likely.

[KingKev]

Pop got his coaching record. The DDR years were all about that, in retrospect. In my opinion. I suppose years later it will be cool to see pop mentioned for the All-time record and all that, but for now the DDR years really tried the fan base’s patience, because now we’re still getting worse every year, with rock-bottom hitting next year, most likely.

Yep. The best part is he is the ultimate for team, for country, for greater good puppeteer.

In my opinion this team finally bottoms out only after his departure unfortunately. He will coach us to another 5-10 wins late season, while others are tanking; once again for his own credence.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://bleacherreport.com/post/nba/e19aa43b-6211-4346-8388-1c65ff0075c8

It still hurrrrrts

Uncle Dennis tryna get that chinese money


Pop got his coaching record. The DDR years were all about that, in retrospect. In my opinion. I suppose years later it will be cool to see pop mentioned for the All-time record and all that, but for now the DDR years really tried the fan base’s patience, because now we’re still getting worse every year, with rock-bottom hitting next year, most likely.

I've been saying this for years. Old man still hasn't gotten over himself

[KingKev]

Also btw…. 4 yrs ago today PATFO took a nice long cheek clapping and never looked back.

It stillllll huuuuurts but maybe they kinda liked it?

[exstatic]

Yep. The best part is he is the ultimate for team, for country, for greater good puppeteer.

In my opinion this team finally bottoms out only after his departure unfortunately. He will coach us to another 5-10 wins late season, while others are tanking; once again for his own credence.

You know who does tanking really well? Sacramento. They’ve been doing it since 2006. No thanks. Even Philly, with their Process, has probably missed their window, and will have to tear it down again.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

At the end of the day, the return on the Kawhi trade isn't terrible...especially considering that he had PATFO over a barrel and was jamming uncle's peepee up their asses.

[Chinook]

I'm fine with the Leonard trade and have been for basically four years.

[exstatic]

At the end of the day, the return on the Kawhi trade isn't terrible...especially considering that he had PATFO over a barrel and was jamming uncle's peepee up their asses.

It’s ongoing. We just added Branham, via Thad Young, via DeRozan. Anything we get from Jak goes on the pile. Keldon, too. That 2025 CHI FRP is still outstanding, and a SRP, also 2025.

[Leetonidas]

Jesus, let it go already

[TD 21]

I'm fine with the Leonard trade and have been for basically four years.

:lmao

[John B]

It’s ongoing. We just added Branham, via Thad Young, via DeRozan. Anything we get from Jak goes on the pile. Keldon, too. That 2025 CHI FRP is still outstanding, and a SRP, also 2025.

Spurs almost didn't get anything from Demar S&T, with Thad pouting on the sideline, and Raptors just overpaid. Spurs was just lucky. Or they could've traded Demar earlier for pick or two. But I guess that wasn't the Spurs way.

[offset formation]

I called for it at the time but its undeniable that the Spurs would not only be pariahs in the NBAbut the entirety of the sports world. We'd be called everything from sore losers to slave masters and everything in between.

I wouldn't think it would have been good for them at all in the long run but if someone at PATFO had the spine for it then I would have supported them wholeheartedly because I'm a motherfucker that holds grudges. Fuck neph.

[John B]

I called for it at the time but its undeniable that the Spurs would not only be pariahs in the NBAbut the entirety of the sports world. We'd be called everything from sore losers to slave masters and everything in between.

I wouldn't think it would have been good for them at all in the long run but if someone at PATFO had the spine for it then I would have supported them wholeheartedly because I'm a motherfucker that holds grudges. Fuck neph.

Yeah, fuck nephew! :flipoff

[exstatic]

Spurs almost didn't get anything from Demar S&T, with Thad pouting on the sideline, and Raptors just overpaid. Spurs was just lucky. Or they could've traded Demar earlier for pick or two. But I guess that wasn't the Spurs way.

Thad wasn’t pouting. Where in the hell did you come up with that? Spurs knew h was an asset they could monetize, and held him out almost all games to avoid injury. They played him just enough to show he was healthy. Thad would have played every game, given the choice, and chafed when he barely played.

[MultiTroll]

You know who does tanking really well? Sacramento. They’ve been doing it since 2006. No thanks. Even Philly, with their Process, has probably missed their window, and will have to tear it down again.
Philly got the unfortunate injuries to Embiid and Boban. Then Simmons-Kardashians brain turned into a woke marshmallow.
Their process was working.

[exstatic]

Philly got the unfortunate injuries to Embiid and Boban. Then Simmons-Kardashians brain turned into a woke marshmallow.
Their process was working.

The point is, they did everything “right”, and they still have to tear it down again.

[MultiTroll]

The point is, they did everything “right”, and they still have to tear it down again.
No guarantees by tanking, for sure.

Also for sure, playing Bryn Forms n 50 mil Paddy as your backcourt, letting LMA, Paddy etc walk for nothing was dumbfuckery Xs 10.

[Ice009]

https://bleacherreport.com/post/nba/e19aa43b-6211-4346-8388-1c65ff0075c8

It still hurrrrrts

Man, Kawhi seems so awkward. What was uncle Dennis thinking trying to market him. Kawhi's game is the only thing that can really do the talking for him. When he does the talking, he's not very great with it. Where are they? in China or somewhere. Looks like Uncle Dennis still trying to get exposure for him. Having said all that, I'd still rather have Kawhi on the team. He's still elite if healthy :(.