View Full Version : Keldon Johnson joins Klutch
Dejounte
11-15-2021, 07:09 PM
RIP his career
Leetonidas
11-15-2021, 07:16 PM
Fvck!
Robz4000
11-15-2021, 07:22 PM
:pctoss
Dejounte
11-15-2021, 07:27 PM
To he fair, Klutch hasn’t fucked over the Spurs yet. Murray has one of the best, if not THE best, contracts on the team.
also, in case anyone had forgotten, Lonnie is with Klutch too.
these guys should have signed with White’s agent if they wanted to fuck over the Spurs.
exstatic
11-15-2021, 07:34 PM
Yeah, Klutch isn’t the boogie man. As I’ve always said, the agency works for the player, not the other way around. After Morris screwed us over, Klutch dropped HIM.
lefty20
11-15-2021, 07:56 PM
these guys should have signed with White’s agent if they wanted to fuck over the Spurs.
:rollin
objective
11-15-2021, 08:09 PM
I have a bad feeling about extending Johnson.
I just don't care for him as a player at decent salary. Bad defender most of the time, too small to play 4, not skilled enough to play 3. Hustle player without hustle stats, seems to get fatigued too easily. Hate seeing him defend the ball handler in the pick and roll, doesn't get skinny to get over, doesn't fight to get under.
Hope he's traded, not too optimistic about his future. If Primo is as good as people like to hope, and Vassell continues to show, then in a future 5 man lineup of Poeltl-Johnson-Vassell-Primo-Murray, Johnson will be the weakest link and position to upgrade.
He's not close to the Bridges guys for instance but will probably want to paid like he is.
To he fair, Klutch hasn’t fucked over the Spurs yet. Murray has one of the best, if not THE best, contracts on the team.
also, in case anyone had forgotten, Lonnie is with Klutch too.
these guys should have signed with White’s agent if they wanted to fuck over the Spurs.
Uh....are you forgetting the time where Klutch had his agent (Marcus Morris) verbally commit to the Spurs, then had his agent (Marcus Morris) break that commitment to go to the New York Knicks for more money on less years with the expectation that he would get dealt to the Clippers to play with another one of their agents (Paul George)...which, sure enough, ended up happening?
Are you forgetting that the Spurs gave up Davis Bertans for basically nothing just so they could sign Marcus Morris (based on said verbal agreement) who never spent a single second in a Spurs uniform?
Are you forgetting that Morris actually fired and left Klutch after the whole ordeal because he ended up losing money and looking like an asshole just to end up with a Clippers team that choked in the playoffs?
Fuck Klutch. Unless you are a superstar like LeBron, they don't have your best interest in mind. Just ask Nerlans Noel who currently has a lawsuit open with Klutch for hiding interest from pursuing teams and potentially cost him $58M because it didn't fit their agenda.
paperboy77
11-15-2021, 08:15 PM
I have a bad feeling about extending Johnson.
I just don't care for him as a player at decent salary. Bad defender most of the time, too small to play 4, not skilled enough to play 3. Hustle player without hustle stats, seems to get fatigued too easily. Hate seeing him defend the ball handler in the pick and roll, doesn't get skinny to get over, doesn't fight to get under.
Hope he's traded, not too optimistic about his future. If Primo is as good as people like to hope, and Vassell continues to show, then in a future 5 man lineup of Poeltl-Johnson-Vassell-Primo-Murray, Johnson will be the weakest link and position to upgrade.
He's not close to the Bridges guys for instance but will probably want to paid like he is.
Sure glad I'm not the only one that thinks this. This is SA's issue... they just hold on to prospects too long.
Dejounte
11-15-2021, 08:21 PM
Uh....are you forgetting the time where Klutch had his agent (Marcus Morris) verbally commit to the Spurs, then had his agent (Marcus Morris) break that commitment to go to the New York Knicks for more money on less years with the expectation that he would get dealt to the Clippers to play with another one of their agents (Paul George)...which, sure enough, ended up happening?
Are you forgetting that the Spurs gave up Davis Bertans for basically nothing just so they could sign Marcus Morris (based on said verbal agreement) who never spent a single second in a Spurs uniform?
Are you forgetting that Morris actually fired and left Klutch after the whole ordeal because he ended up losing money and looking like an asshole just to end up with a Clippers team that choked in the playoffs?
Fuck Klutch. Unless you are a superstar like LeBron, they don't have your best interest in mind. Just ask Nerlans Noel who currently has a lawsuit open with Klutch for hiding interest from pursuing teams and potentially cost him $58M because it didn't fit their agenda.
dude you made four paragraphs about one incident. Yes, i remember clearly what happened. No, I don’t think the blame lies solely on Klutch.
mo7888
11-15-2021, 08:30 PM
I have a bad feeling about extending Johnson.
I just don't care for him as a player at decent salary. Bad defender most of the time, too small to play 4, not skilled enough to play 3. Hustle player without hustle stats, seems to get fatigued too easily. Hate seeing him defend the ball handler in the pick and roll, doesn't get skinny to get over, doesn't fight to get under.
Hope he's traded, not too optimistic about his future. If Primo is as good as people like to hope, and Vassell continues to show, then in a future 5 man lineup of Poeltl-Johnson-Vassell-Primo-Murray, Johnson will be the weakest link and position to upgrade.
He's not close to the Bridges guys for instance but will probably want to paid like he is.
I feel the same way. I'm hoping we can upgrade with some package of Kj, Thad, and/or White for a player or picks..
exstatic
11-15-2021, 08:33 PM
Uh....are you forgetting the time where Klutch had his agent (Marcus Morris) verbally commit to the Spurs, then had his agent (Marcus Morris) break that commitment to go to the New York Knicks for more money on less years with the expectation that he would get dealt to the Clippers to play with another one of their agents (Paul George)...which, sure enough, ended up happening?
Are you forgetting that the Spurs gave up Davis Bertans for basically nothing just so they could sign Marcus Morris (based on said verbal agreement) who never spent a single second in a Spurs uniform?
Are you forgetting that Morris actually fired and left Klutch after the whole ordeal because he ended up losing money and looking like an asshole just to end up with a Clippers team that choked in the playoffs?
Fuck Klutch. Unless you are a superstar like LeBron, they don't have your best interest in mind. Just ask Nerlans Noel who currently has a lawsuit open with Klutch for hiding interest from pursuing teams and potentially cost him $58M because it didn't fit their agenda.
AGAIN
The agency works for the player, not the other way around. Morris screwed us. Klutch dropped him like an ugly girl right after.
KingKev
11-15-2021, 08:43 PM
AGAIN
The agency works for the player, not the other way around. Morris screwed us. Klutch dropped him like an ugly girl right after.
haha like wow
Mr. Body
11-15-2021, 08:45 PM
Considering how Klutch fucks over their lesser clients, this is a profoundly stupid move.
KingKev
11-15-2021, 08:50 PM
dude you made four paragraphs about one incident. Yes, i remember clearly what happened. No, I don’t think the blame lies solely on Klutch.
It was def the agents (Marcus Morris) fault. The agent (Marcus Morris) got himself a better deal away which is what any of us agents should do!!!
exstatic
11-15-2021, 08:55 PM
We don't really know what went down but Morris has the ultimate decision on who he signs with. I'm more inclined to believe this.
You can fact check that Klutch dropped him shortly after. There was a thread here, but with search turned off here, you’ll have to search the web.
KingKev
11-15-2021, 09:01 PM
Klutch reps a third of the league at this point I bet. LBJ took some of his ppl out of poverty and now they are helping their clients get paid. Deal with it boys and girls; it is unlikely to have any implications on whether we retain Keldon or not and and at what price clears the market.
slick'81
11-15-2021, 09:18 PM
Dejounte clearly talked him into it
Chinook
11-15-2021, 09:30 PM
It makes sense to get a real agent when looking to sign a rookie extension. Initially, it's not a big deal with a rookie scale, but now there's the contract and a number of endorsement opportunities. An underrated part of being with Klutch is to have easier access with a number of stars. Johnson has USANT cred to help him with some guys, but getting workouts with stars (and the people who train them) during off-seasons should help his game.
dude you made four paragraphs about one incident. Yes, i remember clearly what happened. No, I don’t think the blame lies solely on Klutch.
OK, I'll keep it short. Do you not think that sets a precedent?
Chinook
11-15-2021, 09:48 PM
OK, I'll keep it short. Do you not think that sets a precedent?
I think Klutch has a rep of being negligent toward their non-stars, and that's not good for Johnson. But they don't have a rep for being team-unfriendly. That's just something people like to assume because of the Lebron connection. The Morris thing was much more about Klutch not doing due diligence in getting Marcus a good deal than it was about them not stopping him for reneging.
tbdog
11-15-2021, 10:26 PM
I think Klutch has a rep of being negligent toward their non-stars, and that's not good for Johnson. But they don't have a rep for being team-unfriendly. That's just something people like to assume because of the Lebron connection. The Morris thing was much more about Klutch not doing due diligence in getting Marcus a good deal than it was about them not stopping him for reneging.
Wasn't there talk that they couldn't get a hold of him when a team wanted to sign Noel?
KingKev
11-15-2021, 10:29 PM
I think Klutch has a rep of being negligent toward their non-stars, and that's not good for Johnson. But they don't have a rep for being team-unfriendly. That's just something people like to assume because of the Lebron connection. The Morris thing was much more about Klutch not doing due diligence in getting Marcus a good deal than it was about them not stopping him for reneging.
or was it because the Knicks were reportedly out to fvck the Spurs for apparently tampering with Porzingis? Too many arm chair quarterbacks on this board who don’t understand life. MM literally got double to play in a way better city and eventually get traded to a contender. How many ppl on this board won’t renag to double their 50k a year salary?
Chinook
11-15-2021, 10:35 PM
Wasn't there talk that they couldn't get a hold of him when a team wanted to sign Noel?
Yeah. That's something Klutch would definitely be wrong about if it's true. But that's because they weren't advocating for Noel, not because they were being team-unfriendly. Johnson might have to worry about Klutch not really trying hard and leaving dollars on the table for a Spurs extension or more likely that they won't hunt for good endorsement deals for him. The Spurs, though, shouldn't worry about Klutch screwing them over and trying to force Johnson to LA or whatever. That's not really a thing they do unless like in Davis' case, it's what their client explicitly wants.
Chinook
11-15-2021, 10:39 PM
or was it because the Knicks were reportedly out to fvck the Spurs for apparently tampering with Porzingis? Too many arm chair quarterbacks on this board who don’t understand life. MM literally got double to play in a way better city and eventually get traded to a contender. How many ppl on this board won’t renag to double their 50k a year salary?
It could be that, but Klutch definitely settled on that MLE deal really quickly, given that it wasn't really on a time table
KingKev
11-15-2021, 10:45 PM
It could be that, but Klutch definitely settled on that MLE deal really quickly, given that it wasn't really on a time table
It was a late off-season signing and we had already, foolishly committed our MLE to Demare Carrol. Also news flash most sports agencies, Klutch included probably operate with little integrity at some point or another. Same
way entire organizations, individual players and your local priest do.
Mr. Body
11-16-2021, 12:02 AM
It was a late off-season signing and we had already, foolishly committed our MLE to Demare Carrol. Also news flash most sports agencies, Klutch included probably operate with little integrity at some point or another. Same
way entire organizations, individual players and your local priest do.
I guess you exist with your tongue up Klutch's asshole, but what they and Morris pulled ain't done in the league. If it happened to any other franchise than the Spurs, there'd be a fucking stink raised in the media about it. But go ahead and slurp up Rich Paul's smelly diarrhea.
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11-16-2021, 12:39 AM
I guess you exist with your tongue up Klutch's asshole, but what they and Morris pulled ain't done in the league. If it happened to any other franchise than the Spurs, there'd be a fucking stink raised in the media about it. But go ahead and slurp up Rich Paul's smelly diarrhea.
It wouldn't just be a stink. The owners would make sure it was collectively bargained to not allow it again. But small market means nothing.
Funny though, given what's happening with Ben Simmons in Philly, there's now lots of chatter about stopping that shit from happening again. When nephew did it to the Spurs, the Spurs were holding him back and just a bad organization for mishandling his injury.
Life ain't fair, and the Spurs are always gonna have a tougher road to hoe. Fuck the NBA and their sense of justice.
The Truth #6
11-16-2021, 06:50 AM
It’s a little hard to show cause/effect with Klutch client trade manipulations because pretty much all superstars are pulling the same shit. That said, Klutch rubs me the wrong way. Now with Keldon, he is not a big enough star at all for them to be able to manipulate much, but again, I still don’t love him signing with Klutch.
KobesAchilles
11-16-2021, 07:12 AM
I have a bad feeling about extending Johnson.
I just don't care for him as a player at decent salary. Bad defender most of the time, too small to play 4, not skilled enough to play 3. Hustle player without hustle stats, seems to get fatigued too easily. Hate seeing him defend the ball handler in the pick and roll, doesn't get skinny to get over, doesn't fight to get under.
Hope he's traded, not too optimistic about his future. If Primo is as good as people like to hope, and Vassell continues to show, then in a future 5 man lineup of Poeltl-Johnson-Vassell-Primo-Murray, Johnson will be the weakest link and position to upgrade.
He's not close to the Bridges guys for instance but will probably want to paid like he is.
I am also not that high on KJ. But if he learns to shoot the 3 then I wouldn’t mind signing him at a higher price. Defense can be learned. The dude is a gym rat and will get there. The shooting scares me though bc it isn’t just practice at an empty gym. You need live reps for that and a shooters mentality. There’s no replacement for 20,000 fans screaming at you and your down 1.
talkspurs
11-16-2021, 08:19 AM
I guess you exist with your tongue up Klutch's asshole, but what they and Morris pulled ain't done in the league. If it happened to any other franchise than the Spurs, there'd be a fucking stink raised in the media about it. But go ahead and slurp up Rich Paul's smelly diarrhea.
Deandre Jordan did the same thing to Dallas. I think shortly after this happened in when they shortened the non signing period.
exstatic
11-16-2021, 08:45 AM
Deandre Jordan did the same thing to Dallas. I think shortly after this happened in when they shortened the non signing period.
That wasn’t Klutch, that was a bunch of Clipper players and coaches basically locking him in his room until he agreed to stay. :lol
Chinook
11-16-2021, 09:47 AM
That wasn’t Klutch, that was a bunch of Clipper players and coaches basically locking him in his room until he agreed to stay. :lol
Yeah, even Davis wasn't Klutch. Davis wanted to go to LA and signed with them to try to make it happen. They didn't convince him. If Johnson wants Klutch to get him traded, then the problem would be Johnson wanting to get traded, not his agents following his request. Of course, I'm cool with Johnson being traded for good value. Holding onto both Murray and Johnson would be extremely concerning for the team's ability to make the necessary moves to improve their roster.
LkrFan
11-16-2021, 09:56 AM
Uh....are you forgetting the time where Klutch had his agent (Marcus Morris) verbally commit to the Spurs, then had his agent (Marcus Morris) break that commitment to go to the New York Knicks for more money on less years with the expectation that he would get dealt to the Clippers to play with another one of their agents (Paul George)...which, sure enough, ended up happening?
Are you forgetting that the Spurs gave up Davis Bertans for basically nothing just so they could sign Marcus Morris (based on said verbal agreement) who never spent a single second in a Spurs uniform?
Are you forgetting that Morris actually fired and left Klutch after the whole ordeal because he ended up losing money and looking like an asshole just to end up with a Clippers team that choked in the playoffs?
Fuck Klutch. Unless you are a superstar like LeBron, they don't have your best interest in mind. Just ask Nerlans Noel who currently has a lawsuit open with Klutch for hiding interest from pursuing teams and potentially cost him $58M because it didn't fit their agenda.
PG is not with Klutch. If he was, he would never have gone to the Clippers.
As far as Noel, HE made a dumb decision. Klutch works for him, not the other way around.
KingKev
11-16-2021, 10:35 AM
I guess you exist with your tongue up Klutch's asshole, but what they and Morris pulled ain't done in the league. If it happened to any other franchise than the Spurs, there'd be a fucking stink raised in the media about it. But go ahead and slurp up Rich Paul's smelly diarrhea.
I guess if we are going to be this articulate you are what people would call butthurt. It happens every few years; guys change their mind, circumstances change blah blah blah. DeAndre Jordan and the Mavs comes to mind. There is no stink raised in the national media when it happens to the Spurs because this organization keeps most conversations private.
PG is not with Klutch. If he was, he would never have gone to the Clippers.
As far as Noel, HE made a dumb decision. Klutch works for him, not the other way around.
Huh, I stand corrected :tu. For some reason I thought he was a a client....
PG is not with Klutch. If he was, he would never have gone to the Clippers.
As far as Noel, HE made a dumb decision. Klutch works for him, not the other way around.
Also, as for the Noel thing, several reports are coming out that certain teams expressed interest in him to Klutch, but Rich Paul never picked up the phone or told him about it. I would hardly say that is an agent who is acting in good faith....
More info: https://clutchpoints.com/knicks-news-nerlens-noel-lawsuit-against-rich-paul-takes-another-turn/
Sugus
11-16-2021, 01:42 PM
Fvck!
LkrFan
11-16-2021, 07:17 PM
Also, as for the Noel thing, several reports are coming out that certain teams expressed interest in him to Klutch, but Rich Paul never picked up the phone or told him about it. I would hardly say that is an agent who is acting in good faith....
More info: https://clutchpoints.com/knicks-news-nerlens-noel-lawsuit-against-rich-paul-takes-another-turn/
That's...kinda funny :lol
We'll see if the lawsuit comes to anything. Even if Rich settles, he's guilty in my book. I'm betting he doesn't tho. Time will tell.
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