When All The Media Narratives Collapse

[Cuck Ross]

In case after case, the US MSM just keeps getting it wrong.
The news is a perilous business. It’s perilous because the first draft of history is almost always somewhat wrong, and needs a second draft, and a third, and so on, over time, until the historian can investigate with more perspective and calm. The job of journalists is to do as best they can, day by day, and respond swiftly when they screw up, correct the record, and move forward. I’ve learned this the hard way, not least in the combination of credulousness and trauma I harbored in the wake of 9/11 (https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/andrew-sullivan-i-was-wrong.pdf).


But when the sources of news keep getting things wrong, and all the errors lie in the exact same direction, and they are reluctant to acknowledge error, we have a problem. If you look back at the last few years, the record of errors, small and large, about major stories, is hard to deny. It’s as if the more Donald Trump accused the MSM of being “fake news” the more assiduously they tried to prove him right.


And these mass deceptions have consequences. We are seeing this now in the Rittenhouse case — a gruesome story of a reckless teen with a rifle in the wake of the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha. The impression many got from much of the media was that a far-right vigilante, in the middle of race riots, had gone looking for trouble far from home and injured one man, and killed two, in a shooting spree.


Here’s the NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/26/us/kenosha-shooting-protests-jacob-blake.html) on August 26, the morning after the killings: “The authorities were investigating whether the white teenager who was arrested … was part of a vigilante group. His social media accounts appeared to show an intense affinity for guns, law enforcement and President Trump.” Rittenhouse’s race is specified; the race of the men he killed and injured were not (they were also white).


Almost immediately, the complicated facts became unimportant. The far right viewed Rittenhouse as a hero — which he surely wasn’t. He had no business being there with an AR-15. The MSM and far left viewed him as a villain, appalled that he was being elevated, in Jamelle Bouie’s words (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/28/opinion/sunday/kenosha-kyle-rittenhouse-trump.html), “as a symbol of self-defense.” (Another NYT article (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha.html), painting Rittenhouse as a MAGA fanatic, did note at the very bottom of the page: “Supporters of Mr. Rittenhouse said he was being attacked by the mob and acted in legitimate self-defense.” So they did have a caveat.)


But notice how the narrative — embedded in a deeper one that the Blake shooting was just as clear-cut as the Floyd murder, that thousands of black men were being gunned down by cops every year, and that “white supremacy” was rampant in every cranny of America — effectively excluded the possibility that Rittenhouse was a naive, dangerous fool in the midst of indefensible mayhem, who, in the end, shot assailants in self-defense. And so when, this week, one of Rittenhouse’s pursuers, Gaige Grosskreutz, admitted on the stand (https://www.cbs58.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-enters-week-2-survivor-testifies) that Rittenhouse shot him only after Grosskreutz pointed his pistol directly at Rittenhouse’s head a few feet away, it came as a shock.


Money quote from the defense lawyer: “It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him, with your gun (and your hands down) pointed at him, that he fired? Right?” To which Grosskreutz answered: “Correct.” Here’s how the NYT first described this a year ago, on August 26: “Video footage from the scene of the shooting appears to show Mr. Rittenhouse running and then firing his gun, striking a man in the head. He then flees and is chased by bystanders before tripping, falling to the ground and shooting another man.”


A day later, in another NYT piece (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html) (which I relied on (https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/the-trap-the-democrats-walked-right) at the time), here’s the account of video footage they embedded: “As Mr. Rittenhouse is running, he trips and falls to the ground. He fires four shots as three people rush toward him. One person appears to be hit in the chest and falls to the ground. Another, who is carrying a handgun [Grosskreutz], is hit in the arm and runs away.” Any sense of self-defense there? (And when you watch the full version of the same video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQSpxSlrg) on YouTube, you see that, for some reason, the NYT cut off the key moment showing Rittenhouse’s self-defense — the moment that proved so critical in court!)


I haven’t watched the whole trial. But if you watch for any length of time, you realize you’ve been led to believe a media narrative that was way off (https://twitter.com/BillAckman/status/1458917414800875520). (Independent journalists last year, like Jesse Singal (https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/here-are-my-contemporaneous-articles), were more clear-eyed.) Because of that narrative whiplash, we may have more rioting and violence if he’s acquitted. The judge is already being targeted. I’m not defending Rittenhouse. And I understand news gathering is fallible. But there’s a media pattern here. And it reaches far wider than Rittenhouse.


We found out this week, for example, that a key figure in the emergence of the Steele Dossier, Igor Danchenko, has been indicted for lying to the FBI. He is also charged with asking a Clinton crony, Charles Dolan Jr: “Any thought, rumor, allegation. I am working on a related project against Trump.”


The evidence from another key source for the dossier, Sergei Millian — touted across all media, including the Washington Post — has also been exposed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/08/steele-dossier-msnbc-cnn-danchenko-durham/) as potentially fake. What has the Post done? As their own indispensable Erik Wemple notes (https://twitter.com/ErikWemple/status/1459212662915670017), instead of a clear retraction, the Post has just added editors’ notes (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/media-washington-post-steele-dossier/2021/11/12/f7c9b770-43d5-11ec-a88e-2aa4632af69b_story.html) to previous stories, removed sections and a video, and altered headlines retroactively. This is a bizarre way of correcting the record: “No such case comes immediately or specifically to mind, at least no historical case that stirred lasting controversy,” said W. Joseph Campbell, a professor and journalism historian at American University.


This doesn’t mean that Trump wasn’t eager for Russian help. But Trump was right, in the end, about the dodgy dossier; he was right about the duped FBI’s original overreach; and the mass media — Rachel Maddow chief among them — were wrong. And yet the dossier dominated the headlines for three years, and the “corrections” have a fraction of the audience of the errors. Maddow gets promoted. And the man who first published it, Ben Smith, was made the media columnist for the NYT.


Think of the other narratives the MSM pushed in recent years that have collapsed. They viciously defamed (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/media-must-learn-covington-catholic-story/581035/) the Covington boys. They authoritatively told us that bounties (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html) had been placed on US soldiers in Afghanistan by Putin — and Trump’s denials only made them more certain. They told us that the lab-leak theory of Covid was a conspiracy theory with no evidence behind it at all. (The NYT actually had the story (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/the-media-called-the-lab-leak-story-a-conspiracy-theory-now-its-prompted-corrections--and-serious-new-reporting/2021/06/10/c93972e6-c7b2-11eb-a11b-6c6191ccd599_story.html) of the leak theory, by Donald McNeil, killed it, and then fired McNeil, their best Covid reporter, after some schoolgirls complained he wasn’t woke.) Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.


The MSM took the ludicrous story of Jussie Smollett seriously because it fit their nutty “white supremacy” narrative. They told us that a woman was brutally gang-raped at UVA (invented (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/dec/29/rolling-stone-rape-story-uva-five-years)), that the Pulse mass shooting was driven by homophobia (untrue (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/noor-salman-pulse-massacre-wrong_n_5ac29ebae4b04646b6454dc2)) and that the Atlanta spa shooter was motivated by anti-Asian bias (no known evidence for that at all (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/atlanta-area-spa-shootings-hate-crime-enhancements-fulton-county/)). For good measure, they followed up with story after story about white supremacists targeting Asian-Americans, in a new wave of “hate,” even as the assaults were disproportionately (https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/when-the-narrative-replaces-the-news-9ea) by African Americans and the mentally ill.


As Greenwald noted (https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-media-lied-repeatedly-about-officer), the NYT “published an emotionally gut-wrenching but complete fiction that never had any evidence — that Officer Sicknick’s skull was savagely bashed in with a fire extinguisher by a pro-Trump mob until he died.” The media told us that an alleged transgender exposure in the Wi Spa in Los Angeles was an anti-trans hoax (also untrue (https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/some-mainstream-outlets-cant-even)). They told us that the emails recovered on Hunter Biden’s laptop were Russian disinformation. They did this just before an election and used that claim to stymie the story on social media. But they were not (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/09/22/glenn_greenwald_definitive_account_of_the_ciamedia tech_coverup_of_the_hunter_biden_laptop.html) Russian disinformation (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/09/22/glenn_greenwald_definitive_account_of_the_ciamedia tech_coverup_of_the_hunter_biden_laptop.html). They were a valid if minor news story the media consciously kept from its audience for partisan purposes.


More recently, the MSM were telling us for months that inflation is a phantasm. We were told (https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2021/05/01/the-inflation-scare-doesnt-match-reality/?sh=16fc38e31049) that the “2021 Inflation Scare is another in a series of false alarms going back several decades.” We were assured (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/inflation-looks-bad-now-but-its-pretty-much-sticking-to-the-script.html) that “the numbers at least for now are on the side of those expecting the trend to subside and then stabilize at lower levels.” Any concern was “fearmongering politics (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/22/republicans-are-scaremongering-about-inflation-derail-democratic-agenda/).” And now we wake up to the highest inflation in 30 years, counter-balancing wage increases. Still, they tell us, all will be well.


We were told that vaccines would end the Covid pandemic. But they merely altered Covid to a manageable disease that you could still contract while vaccinated. We were told that the migrant surge at the border was just seasonal, and nothing out of the ordinary, even as 1.7 million migrants were illegally trying to get into the country in the last year. We were told that sending migrants back to their home countries was a wicked and unconscionable Trump tactic — even as the Biden administration swiftly copied it with Haitian immigrants — to much success. The cruelty is the point, eh?


We were — and still are! — being told by most of the media that critical race theory isn’t in high schools at all. Meanwhile, a tsunami (https://twitter.com/sullydish/with_replies) of evidence is out there showing that it absolutely is — in every subject, and every class, as the central philosophy behind many states’ education policies.


We all get things wrong. What makes this more worrying is simply that all these false narratives just happen to favor the interests of the left and the Democratic party. And corrections, when they occur, take up a fraction of the space of the original falsehoods. These are not randos tweeting false rumors. They are the established press.


And at some point, you wonder: what narrative are they pushing now that is also bullshit? One comes to mind: the assurance that the insane amount of debt we have incurred this century is absolutely nothing to be concerned about because interest rates are super-low and borrowing more and more now is a no-brainer. But when inflation spikes and sets off a potential spiral in wages to catch up, will interest rates stay so quiescent? And if interest rates go up, how will we service the debt so easily?


I still rely on the MSM for so much. I still read the NYT first thing in the morning. I don’t want to feel as if everything I read is basically tilted through wish-fulfillment, narrative-proving, and ideology. But with this kind of record, how can I not?


We need facts and objectivity more than ever. Trump showed that. What we got in the MSM was an over-reaction, a reflexive overreach to make the news fit the broader political fight. This is humanly understandable. It is professionally unacceptable. And someone has got to stop it.


https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/when-all-the-media-narratives-collapse-650

[DMC]

OF course, the media outlets are mouthpieces for activist groups and political parties. This isn't new. What's new is the average American's ability to see actual footage of events and not have to rely on being cattle prodded into loading chutes for transport to belief centers. Even then, many will still grab on to the first "ah ha I knew it!" news story and hold onto that even after it's been debunked. MSM has monetized, quite ruthlessly, the basic confirmation bias.

[SnakeBoy]

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[rjv]

to this day, the seminal work on the media and truth was authored by edward s. herman and noam chomsky. the propaganda model of communication discussed in "manufacturing consent" is even more applicable today as it pertains to the mass media. but since the publication of their work, we've witnesseed the launching of the internet and its myriad of branches in the forms of blogs, podcasts and so called "news" outlets. so, on top of the already corporate manipulated news, we now have narratives that originate with power brokers which, in turn, are zealously parroted by their minions. it's all akin to the concept of "post-truth" theorized by the likes of nietzsche and hannah arrendt.

[RandomGuy]

tldr

[hater]

Yup

https://twitter.com/SirajAHashmi/status/1460678424771514370?s=19

[DMC]

tldr

You're one of the major consumers of confirmation bias, targeted "news" here. It's fitting you'd respond but not read. This isn't even something that's against one side or the other, it's being played against people who need their news tailored to fit their preferred narrative. If there's an arrest made, Fox will show the perp if he's black. The comment section will be full of "yep I knew he was black" type responses which clearly illustrates the "news" is just made to order. On CNN, they will call the perp a victim of the racist legal system. I think opinion pieces are fine, they used to be side notes though and it's nice to see differing opinions instead of echo chamber opinions that conform to the CEO's goal of "gotheem".

[Cuck Ross]

tldr

You swallowed whole every single false MSM narrative mentioned in the article :lol

[Chucho]

CNN isn't all that bad. They willfully published a story about how Biden's plan gives $70 billion in tax breaks to the same billionaires that Blue Pillers hated when they got tax breaks from Trump. Don't recall how much in tax breaks the Trump plan gave to them.

Nothing's changed and our VP and POTUS are having rifts because Whitey POTUS sent a black female to their worsening border crisis the media stopped covering, so she could be a sacrificial lamb/scapegoat and they did it full well knowing Catholic, poor Latinos HATE, absolutely HATE black folk and Latino Machismo dictates women are inferior. They literally sewed seeds of racial tension while poverty pimping.

Nothing's changed, just more continued white masterhood over the black race disguised because media bias and a projectionist society.

[Spurs Homer]

magat tears...


raining every day

[Blake]

You swallowed whole every single false MSM narrative mentioned in the article :lol

How did pizza gate work out for you

[ElNono]

People still watch TV?

[Winehole23]

How did pizza gate work out for youTSA swallows conspiracies whole for breakfast then shits them out all day long, completely undigested.

[hater]

People still watch TV?

Correct.

Cheers

[RandomGuy]

You swallowed whole every single false MSM narrative mentioned in the article :lol

:lol TSA's own MSM narrative telling him what I believe or don't believe.

I didn't read it, but I am sure it is a long list of strawmen positions that people like you fantasize that other people believe in.

[Cuck Ross]

How did pizza gate work out for you

Worked out better than admitting to the forum that I couldn't satisfy my wife and that she cheated on me and left me for some other guy that could satisfy her.

[DMC]

:lol TSA's own MSM narrative telling him what I believe or don't believe.

I didn't read it,

:lol advertising your certainty + ignorance.

[DMC]

Worked out better than admitting to the forum that I couldn't satisfy my wife and that she cheated on me and left me for some other guy that could satisfy her.

linky?

[RandomGuy]

:lol advertising your certainty + ignorance.

:cry RG didn't read the wall of text. :cry

Cry harder, I'm not bothering to spend time reading propaganda. If it is important to you, parse it.

That means break it down.

[ChumpDumper]

Worked out better than admitting to the forum that I couldn't satisfy my wife and that she cheated on me and left me for some other guy that could satisfy her.
What he said actually happened though.

You believed Hillary Clinton smuggled in Haitian children to eat them.

[DMC]

:cry RG didn't read the wall of text. :cry

Cry harder, I'm not bothering to spend time reading propaganda. If it is important to you, parse it.

That means break it down.

Didn't read it but was certain about it = douchebag

That's you precisely :lol

[pgardn]

Can someone supply a list of MSM we should avoid.
Thanks.

Personally I still read the news.

[Cuck Ross]

:lol TSA's own MSM narrative telling him what I believe or don't believe.

I didn't read it, but I am sure it is a long list of strawmen positions that people like you fantasize that other people believe in.

:lol Substack = MSM

RandomGuy MSM swallows:

Rittenhouse = check
Trump/Russia collusion = check
Steele dossier = check
Covington boys = refrained
Jussie Smollett = undetermined
Putin bounties on US soldiers = check
UVA rape hoax = undetermined
Pulse shooting = undetermined
Atlanta shooting = undetermined
Officer Sicknick = check
Biden laptop Russian disinformation = check
Inflation = check
Vaccines = check
Migrant surge = check
CRT = check

I will admit my original statement of you swallowing every single one in the article was incorrect.

67% swallowed
27% undetermined swallow
7% refrained from swallowing

[spurraider21]

you're the one swallowing the MSM narrative on CRT :lol

[Cuck Ross]

:cry RG didn't read the wall of text. :cry

Cry harder, I'm not bothering to spend time reading propaganda. If it is important to you, parse it.

That means break it down.

The article is literally about the MSM propaganda you spent time reading and believing.

[Cuck Ross]

you're the one swallowing the MSM narrative on CRT :lolI don't have a single post in the CRT thread how am I the one swallowing the narrative? :lol

The article I linked said the MSM narrative on CRT is that it isn't being taught in schools. It didn't discuss the merits or definition of CRT, just the claim that it wasn't being taught in schools, which it is.

[RandomGuy]

:cry RG didn't read the wall of text. :cry

Cry harder, I'm not bothering to spend time reading propaganda. If it is important to you, parse it.

That means break it down.


[crying intensifies]

:lol So it isn't important to you. Cry harder.

[Cuck Ross]

linky?

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/Blakecucked_zpssu9p3yjw.png

[ChumpDumper]

I don't have a single post in the CRT thread how am I the one swallowing the narrative? :lol

The article I linked said the MSM narrative on CRT is that it isn't being taught in schools. It didn't discuss the merits or definition of CRT, just the claim that it wasn't being taught in schools, which it is.What is your definition of CRT?

[RandomGuy]

:lol Substack = MSM

RandomGuy MSM swallows:

Rittenhouse = check
Trump/Russia collusion = check
Steele dossier = check
Covington boys = refrained
Jussie Smollett = undetermined
Putin bounties on US soldiers = check
UVA rape hoax = undetermined
Pulse shooting = undetermined
Atlanta shooting = undetermined
Officer Sicknick = check
Biden laptop Russian disinformation = check
Inflation = check
Vaccines = check
Migrant surge = check
CRT = check

I will admit my original statement of you swallowing every single one in the article was incorrect.

67% swallowed
27% undetermined swallow
7% refrained from swallowing

:lol

Like I said, your fantasies.

So much straw, so little time. Kind of shocking how much you are willing to tell me what I think or do not here.

Let's pick one.

What, specifically do I think about "inflation" that is some sort of MSM false narrative?

[RandomGuy]

The article is literally about the MSM propaganda you spent time reading and believing.

As opposed to figuratively. :lol

It is your fantasy about being more woke in some sense than others that you view as sheeple. Part of the generally sad way of inflating your self-esteem by being part of some bizarre in-crowd.

It matters deeply to you that you are smarter than what you perceive as others' own idea of yourself.


Research thus far has successfully articulated some of the motivations that, together with deficiencies in available information, cognitive ability, and motivation to think critically, may contribute to conspiracy belief
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0963721417718261

[spurraider21]

What is your definition of CRT?
catch all term for anything conservatives dont like

[Cuck Ross]

:lol

Like I said, your fantasies.

So much straw, so little time. Kind of shocking how much you are willing to tell me what I think or do not here.

Let's pick one.

What, specifically do I think about "inflation" that is some sort of MSM false narrative?


More recently, the MSM were telling us for months that inflation is a phantasm. We were told (https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2021/05/01/the-inflation-scare-doesnt-match-reality/?sh=16fc38e31049) that the “2021 Inflation Scare is another in a series of false alarms going back several decades.” We were assured (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/inflation-looks-bad-now-but-its-pretty-much-sticking-to-the-script.html) that “the numbers at least for now are on the side of those expecting the trend to subside and then stabilize at lower levels.” Any concern was “fearmongering politics (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/22/republicans-are-scaremongering-about-inflation-derail-democratic-agenda/).” And now we wake up to the highest inflation in 30 years, counter-balancing wage increases. Still, they tell us, all will be well.


Real, but no one expects it to be sustained. People are sitting on cash, and any shortfall in supply will find funds easy to get for investments in increasing the supply curve.

Consensus is that inflation will drop back down to recent historical ranges within a year or so.

Funny that out of all of those MSM narratives I checked you chose inflation :lol

My turn to pick one. Putin putting bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan. Did you believe that MSM narrative? Yes or no.

[Cuck Ross]

As opposed to figuratively. :lol

It is your fantasy about being more woke in some sense than others that you view as sheeple. Part of the generally sad way of inflating your self-esteem by being part of some bizarre in-crowd.

It matters deeply to you that you are smarter than what you perceive as others' own idea of yourself.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0963721417718261

projection (https://dictionary.apa.org/projection)n. 1. in psychoanalytic and psychodynamic theories, the process by which one attributes one’s own individual positive or negative characteristics, affects, and impulses to another person or group. This is often a defense mechanism (https://dictionary.apa.org/defense-mechanism) in which unpleasant or unacceptable impulses, stressors, ideas, affects, or responsibilities are attributed to others.

[ChumpDumper]

projection (https://dictionary.apa.org/projection)n. 1. in psychoanalytic and psychodynamic theories, the process by which one attributes one’s own individual positive or negative characteristics, affects, and impulses to another person or group. This is often a defense mechanism (https://dictionary.apa.org/defense-mechanism) in which unpleasant or unacceptable impulses, stressors, ideas, affects, or responsibilities are attributed to others....e.g., this thread.

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/gxYTxTk.jpg
A lot of talk about someone not even in office :lol


But wait, surely they talk about the POTUS too..

https://i.imgur.com/di4TD7e.jpg

Yeah no agenda here.. there's Biden right there, down in the information area :lol

[Cuck Ross]

1461085941792129037

:rollin

[Ef-man]

As opposed to figuratively. :lol

It is your fantasy about being more woke in some sense than others that you view as sheeple. Part of the generally sad way of inflating your self-esteem by being part of some bizarre in-crowd.

It matters deeply to you that you are smarter than what you perceive as others' own idea of yourself.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0963721417718261

TSA and Chucho never mastered use of adverbs (with emphasis on use of "literally").

They must have skipped school when adverbs were being taught.

Trump loves the poorly educated.

[Cuck Ross]

:lol

Like I said, your fantasies.

So much straw, so little time. Kind of shocking how much you are willing to tell me what I think or do not here.

Let's pick one.

What, specifically do I think about "Putin bounties on US soldiers" that is some sort of MSM false narrative?

Glad you asked.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=8818&pp=

You fully swallowed that false MSM narrative. The best part is after you got your shit pushed in you pivoted to "tell me the worst thing Trump has said about Putin" :lmao

Let me know the next false MSM narrative that you swallowed whole you want to talk about next.

[RandomGuy]

Real, but no one expects it to be sustained. People are sitting on cash, and any shortfall in supply will find funds easy to get for investments in increasing the supply curve.

Consensus is that inflation will drop back down to recent historical ranges within a year or so.



More recently, the MSM were telling us for months that inflation is a phantasm. We were told that the “2021 Inflation Scare is another in a series of false alarms going back several decades.” We were assured that “the numbers at least for now are on the side of those expecting the trend to subside and then stabilize at lower levels.” Any concern was “fearmongering politics.” And now we wake up to the highest inflation in 30 years, counter-balancing wage increases. Still, they tell us, all will be well.


Funny that out of all of those MSM narratives I checked you chose inflation :lol

My turn to pick one. Putin putting bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan. Did you believe that MSM narrative? Yes or no.

:lol

So your bullshit op ed says that inflation is real, and presumedly not a phantasm.

I said:

"Inflation is real" :lol

I generally tend to bow to experts, such as economists, or analysts who do their job. The stories I read tend to say that it will drop back off. I gave it about a "year or so" to return to historical ranges because that is the sense of what I get. So, yes.

We are not even six months into this, and you are saying this "narrative is collapsed" because some bullshit op-ed seems to say that.

What exactly does this op-ed predict inflation will be in the coming short term? I don't see an actual prediction there, so, I'm not even sure what you are hanging your hat on here. You seem to be saying "What I THINK this guys is sayign is more right than what experts are actually saying". smh


Ultimately funny is that the quote you pulled that from was from a thread on the "immenent" arrival of hyperinflation.
From a 2010 blog article. :rollin

Is hyperinflation imminent? Is that how the "MSM narrative is collapsing"?

yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

Glad you asked.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=8818&pp=

You fully swallowed that false MSM narrative. The best part is after you got your shit pushed in you pivoted to "tell me the worst thing Trump has said about Putin" :lmao

Let me know the next false MSM narrative that you swallowed whole you want to talk about next.

[shrugs] More fantasies. Also funny because you are bitching about a question you can't answer, because the answer shows that your hero worships a piece of shit corrupt dictator.

Do you worship Putin too? is that why you are butthurt about it?

[RandomGuy]

...e.g., this thread.

:lol

Spot on.

The guy whose narratives constantly collapse writing a thread about other's collapsing narratives, is delicious.

[Blake]

Glad you asked.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=8818&pp=

You fully swallowed that false MSM narrative. The best part is after you got your shit pushed in you pivoted to "tell me the worst thing Trump has said about Putin" :lmao

Let me know the next false MSM narrative that you swallowed whole you want to talk about next.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61iww9oOhsL.__BG0,0,0,0_FMpng_AC_UL600_SR444,600_. jpg

[Blake]

Glad you asked.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=8818&pp=

You fully swallowed that false MSM narrative. The best part is after you got your shit pushed in you pivoted to "tell me the worst thing Trump has said about Putin" :lmao

Let me know the next false MSM narrative that you swallowed whole you want to talk about next.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61iww9oOhsL.__BG0,0,0,0_FMpng_AC_UL600_SR444,600_. jpg

[Cuck Ross]

[shrugs] More fantasies. Also funny because you are bitching about a question you can't answer, because the answer shows that your hero worships a piece of shit corrupt dictator.

Do you worship Putin too? is that why you are butthurt about it?I don't worship Putin nor am I butthurt about anything.

More fantasies? Are you seriously denying that you believed the MSM story that Putin put bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan?

[Cuck Ross]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61iww9oOhsL.__BG0,0,0,0_FMpng_AC_UL600_SR444,600_. jpg

https://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/Cuck_zps7syeypjv.png

[Cuck Ross]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61iww9oOhsL.__BG0,0,0,0_FMpng_AC_UL600_SR444,600_. jpg

https://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/Cucked_zpsnfff8pmw.png

[ChumpDumper]

Man, TSA really doesn't want to talk about the collapsed narratives he's pimped here.

[Cuck Ross]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61iww9oOhsL.__BG0,0,0,0_FMpng_AC_UL600_SR444,600_. jpg

https://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/Blake%20Masterpiece_zpswencwh0b.jpg

[koriwhat]

you're the one swallowing the MSM narrative on CRT :lol

What, that it's not already being taught in our school system? :lmao


catch all term for anything conservatives dont like

Ask our Fed what they thought about targeting parents for their concerns over CRT and how a certain someone has ties to a certain someone who peddles CRT to our school system. You're a joke SR! :lol

In the eternal words of all you fucking pussies... You're semen shielding for them all!


I don't worship Putin nor am I butthurt about anything.

More fantasies? Are you seriously denying that you believed the MSM story that Putin put bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan?

RandomPussy is a MSM dick rider no doubt... Ze/Zim is as worthless as Bouts and they/thems MotherJones & RawStory articles. :lmao

[Cuck Ross]

[shrugs] More fantasies. Also funny because you are bitching about a question you can't answer, because the answer shows that your hero worships a piece of shit corrupt dictator.

Do you worship Putin too? is that why you are butthurt about it?"more fantasies" :lmao


Fuck the asshats who say they "support the troops" but still back the traitor piece of shit "president" who let Russia not only get away with it, but lobbied to give Russia a seat at the G7


American officials intercepted electronic data showing large financial transfers from a bank account controlled by Russia’s military intelligence agency to a Taliban-linked account, evidence that supported their conclusion that Russia covertly offered bounties for killing U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, according to three officials familiar with the intelligence.

Though the United States has accused Russia of providing general support to the Taliban before, analysts concluded from other intelligence that the transfers were most likely part of a bounty program that detainees described during interrogations.


Investigators also identified by name numerous Afghans in a network linked to the suspected Russian operation, the officials said — including, two of them added, a man believed to have served as an intermediary for distributing some of the funds and who is now thought to be in Russia.

The intercepts bolstered the findings gleaned from the interrogations, helping reduce an earlier disagreement among intelligence analysts and agencies over the reliability of the detainees. The disclosures further undercut White House officials’ claim that the intelligence was too uncertain to brief President Trump. In fact, the information was provided to him in his daily written brief in late February, two officials have said


So the afghans were in on it too. DUN DUN DUN.


What the fuck is your party leader going to do about it now?


As a veteran, it seems pretty clear that you can either "support the troops" or "support Trump". This makes that an either/or proposition.

I am absolutely livid that nothing is being done, other than making excuses for Dear Leader.


So basically what you are saying is that people who know the damage Russia is doing, and trying to do to the US are trying to stop Trump from helping Putin do it?


Seems obvious at this point that is is true, because the Trump administration is going hard after the leakers.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286130

So which false MSM narrative that you fell for do you want to do next?

[koriwhat]

Ross you're wasting your time because RandomGuy knows he's a fucking bitch and will always be one. He loves following the sheep to the slaughter house while proclaiming to be the one in the right always. Let him get slaughtered!

[Blake]

https://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/Cucked_zpsnfff8pmw.png

:lol when Cuck's narratives fail.

[Cuck Ross]

:lol when Cuck's narratives fail.
That doesn’t even make sense considering I provided receipts on RandomGuy believing the fake story.

:lol quoting your own humiliation

[Blake]

That doesn’t even make sense considering I provided receipts on RandomGuy believing the fake story.

:lol quoting your own humiliation

Nobody is buying what you're peddling. Sorry.

[Cuck Ross]

Nobody is buying what you're peddling. Sorry.

Are you actually trying to take part in the conversation?!?! Cool it’s about time.

From the provided RandomGuy posts did he believe the Putin had bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan story pushed by MSM? Yes or no.

[DarrinS]

From the provided RandomGuy posts did he believe the Putin had bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan story pushed by MSM? Yes or no.

He did

[Blake]

Are you actually trying to take part in the conversation?!?! Cool it’s about time.

From the provided RandomGuy posts did he believe the Putin had bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan story pushed by MSM? Yes or no.

Lol trying to scoreboard here. Sad.

[Cuck Ross]

Lol trying to scoreboard here. Sad.
I was peddling RandomGuy believing the false narratives pushed by MSM. You said no one is buying it and I call bullshit. I’ll ask you once again. I hope you don’t run to the cuck corner again I’d really like you to stay and have an actual conversation for once.

From the provided RandomGuy posts did he believe the Putin had bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan story pushed by MSM? Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

I was peddling RandomGuy believing the false narratives pushed by MSM. You said no one is buying it and I call bullshit. I’ll ask you once again. I hope you don’t run to the cuck corner again I’d really like you to stay and have an actual conversation for once.

From the provided RandomGuy posts did he believe the Putin had bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan story pushed by MSM? Yes or no.
Seth Rich.

[Winehole23]

Seth Rich.Comet Ping Pong.

[Winehole23]

Comet Ping Pong.King Spook

[Winehole23]

I guess TSA got tired of dragging the "wrong on Pizzagate" caption all day long.

[Ef-man]

I guess TSA got tired of dragging the "wrong on Pizzagate" caption all day long.

Plus the shame of “I was in Korea,” no internet, the work, work, work, and my back shit.

[daboom1]

Look at the gossip girls go.

[ChumpDumper]

Look at the gossip girls go.

Look who's upset on TSA's behalf: the other guy who is still all in on QAnon.

[boutons_deux]

Cuck's objective is to denigrate "media" to replaced by fascists' BigLies as the exclusive source of Pravda.

[Cuck Ross]

Look at the gossip girls go.

They're too embarrassed to admit they all bought in to the MSM false narratives. At this point all they can do is deflect or lie like RandomGuy and say they never believed them.

[Cuck Ross]

I guess TSA got tired of dragging the "wrong on Pizzagate" caption all day long.

You'd be wrong. I can put it back if it would make you happier.

How many of these false narratives did you but in to?

Rittenhouse
Trump/Russia collusion
Steele dossier
Covington boys
Jussie Smollett
Putin bounties on US soldiers
UVA rape hoax
Pulse shooting
Atlanta shooting
Officer Sicknick
Biden laptop Russian disinformation
Inflation
Vaccines
Migrant surge
CRT

[ChumpDumper]

You'd be wrong. I can put it back if it would make you happier.Do it.

[Cuck Ross]

Cuck's objective is to denigrate "media" to replaced by fascists' BigLies as the exclusive source of Pravda.

The media brought this on themselves.

How many of these false narratives did you swallow up and spam here daily?

Rittenhouse
Trump/Russia collusion
Steele dossier
Covington boys
Jussie Smollett
Putin bounties on US soldiers
UVA rape hoax
Pulse shooting
Atlanta shooting
Officer Sicknick
Biden laptop Russian disinformation
Inflation
Vaccines
Migrant surge
CRT

I think I can safely guess you are higher than RandomGuy's 67% swallow rate :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lol TSAnon trying to shame other people.

[Winehole23]

You'd be wrong. I can put it back if it would make you happier.

How many of these false narratives did you but in to?

Rittenhouse
Trump/Russia collusion
Steele dossier
Covington boys
Jussie Smollett
Putin bounties on US soldiers
UVA rape hoax
Pulse shooting
Atlanta shooting
Officer Sicknick
Biden laptop Russian disinformation
Inflation
Vaccines
Migrant surge
CRT
Approximately zero, best I recall. Kinda depends on what you mean by each one -- I see a few of your major themes listed there.

[Cuck Ross]

Approximately zero, best I recall. Kinda depends on what you mean by each one -- I see a few of your major themes listed there.

I wasn't accusing you of buying any of the false narratives was just curious if you did :tu

[daboom1]

They're too embarrassed to admit they all bought in to the MSM false narratives. At this point all they can do is deflect or lie like RandomGuy and say they never believed them.

Whatever happened to that little gremlin djohn? :lol

[Ef-man]

Whatever happened to the Wed FBI conference on Hunter Biden’s laptop? Boom!

[Cuck Ross]

Whatever happened to that little gremlin djohn? :lol

He crawled out of his hole last week to post a thread about Bannon getting charged with two misdemeanors and then immediately ran back into hiding when I asked him about his Russia thread :lmao

[hater]

1458946127747858436

If they dont fire immediately Cuomonme and Limón its bullshit

[ElNono]

I mean, cable TV might've been faltering for a while, but they've been actually on the upswing lately:
https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/cable-news/

Whether they get it right or wrong, it's working for them.

[RandomGuy]

I guess TSA got tired of dragging the "wrong on Pizzagate" caption all day long.

:lol

That's my guess.

[RandomGuy]

..

[RandomGuy]

They're too embarrassed to admit they all bought in to the MSM false narratives. At this point all they can do is deflect or lie like RandomGuy and say they never believed them.

I just don't really care about your strawmen, and you have become very boring to talk to.


"I found an op-ed i believe in, now everybody talk about my fantasies of what you think, look how woke I am"

This entire thread is you jacking it to an op ed that you think tells you how smart you are.

Ew.

[Cuck Ross]

I just don't really care about your strawmen, and you have become very boring to talk to.



This entire thread is you jacking it to an op ed that you think tells you how smart you are.

Ew.

There is no straw man argument being presented. I'm simply reposting your own words.

I've already shown you believed the MSM false narrative of Putin putting bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan. Which MSM false narrative shall we do next? Trump/Russia collusion and the Steele dossier are way too easy so pick one a little more challenging.

[RandomGuy]

There is no straw man argument being presented. I'm simply reposting your own words.

I've already shown you believed the MSM false narrative of Putin putting bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan. Which MSM false narrative shall we do next? Trump/Russia collusion and the Steele dossier are way too easy so pick one a little more challenging.

Nah.

Keep jacking it to the OP, it seems to make you happy. :tu

Life is short, I'm glad you fund some happiness, but just stop asking for my help.

Again:

Ew.

[Cuck Ross]

Nah.

Keep jacking it to the OP, it seems to make you happy. :tu

Life is short, I'm glad you fund some happiness, but just stop asking for my help.

Again:

Ew.
Nah? :lol

Were those fake quotes of yours I posted and linked?

Let’s just get this one out of the way I’d like to move on.

Did you believe Putin put out bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan?

[Cuck Ross]

Nah.

Keep jacking it to the OP, it seems to make you happy. :tu

Life is short, I'm glad you fund some happiness, but just stop asking for my help.

Again:

Ew.
Nah? :lol

Were those fake quotes of yours I posted and linked?

Let’s just get this one out of the way I’d like to move on.

Did you believe Putin put out bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan?

[Blake]

What a sad desperate thread.

[Cuck Ross]

What a sad desperate thread.
Says the OP of the most sad and desperate thread in Spurstalk history :lol

[RandomGuy]

[fapping intensifies]

smh

[Cuck Ross]

smh
Why are so afraid to answer the question :lol

Did you believe Putin put out bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan?

[Blake]

Says the OP of the most sad and desperate thread in Spurstalk history :lol

Maybe. Why are you posting such a sad desperate thread here and now?

[Winehole23]

Tangent: Glenn Greenwald, now a potted plant at Fox News


https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F 96014364-41dc-4811-880b-6728421b0791_1452x1052.pnghttps://eoinhiggins.substack.com/p/company-man-the-data-behind-glenn

[DMC]

smh

Why are you imagining him having sex?

[Cuck Ross]

I just don't really care about your strawmen, and you have become very boring to talk to.



This entire thread is you jacking it to an op ed that you think tells you how smart you are.

Ew.
You just can't bring yourself to defend your own bullshit. Even when I am trying to, in good faith, help you.

Sad.

What does that say about how you form your beliefs, RG? You want to know why I get pissy with you at times? You let yourself get convinced of things for shitty reasons, but you are smart enough and a good enough person to know better. That's why.

[Blake]

Lol "trying to help"

[Winehole23]

the MSM is biased

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFsetsQXsAIflV_?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Cuck Ross]

the MSM is biased

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFsetsQXsAIflV_?format=jpg&name=900x900
What were projected job numbers for each month?

[Cuck Ross]

Nah.

Keep jacking it to the OP, it seems to make you happy. :tu

Life is short, I'm glad you fund some happiness, but just stop asking for my help.

Again:

Ew.
Yeah, you being a chickenshit.

As usual.

It's like you don't want to fucking admit something. I promise it won't hurt your vag.

smh

[boutons_deux]

the MSM is biased

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFsetsQXsAIflV_?format=jpg&name=900x900

The media treats Biden as badly as — or worse than — Trump.

Here’s proof.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/03/biden-media-coverage-worse-trump-favorable/

[Winehole23]

What were projected job numbers for each month?this year has seen the most robust GDP and job growth in decades, tbh

[Winehole23]

lol.TSA's view of the economy through a soda straw

[RandomGuy]

Yeah, you being a chickenshit.

As usual.

It's like you don't want to fucking admit something. I promise it won't hurt your vag.

smh

:cry RG is ignoring my strawman arguments :cry

Cry harder.

or maybe have some kind of point, other than petty trolling.

[Cuck Ross]

:cry RG is ignoring my strawman arguments :cry

Cry harder.

or maybe have some kind of point, other than petty trolling.
You just can't bring yourself to defend your own bull . Even when I am trying to, in good faith, help you.

Sad.

What does that say about how you form your beliefs, RG? You want to know why I get pissy with you at times? You let yourself get convinced of things for ty reasons, but you are smart enough and a good enough person to know better. That's why.

[RandomGuy]

You just can't bring yourself to defend your own bull . Even when I am trying to, in good faith, help you.

Sad.

What does that say about how you form your beliefs, RG? You want to know why I get pissy with you at times? You let yourself get convinced of things for ty reasons, but you are smart enough and a good enough person to know better. That's why.

I see what you did there.

The problem with that is that you aren't acting in good faith here, are you?

You provided a list of strawmen and want to litigate this.


RandomGuy MSM swallows:

Rittenhouse = check
Trump/Russia collusion = check
Steele dossier = check
Covington boys = refrained
Jussie Smollett = undetermined
Putin bounties on US soldiers = check
UVA rape hoax = undetermined
Pulse shooting = undetermined
Atlanta shooting = undetermined
Officer Sicknick = check
Biden laptop Russian disinformation = check
Inflation = check
Vaccines = check
Migrant surge = check
CRT = check

We picked inflation, and that strawman collapsed under it's own weight.

Your problem with any of these, is you are more interested in telling me what I think, because of your own preferred media narratives, than actually understanding.

smh

[Cuck Ross]

I see what you did there.

The problem with that is that you aren't acting in good faith here, are you?

You provided a list of strawmen and want to litigate this.



We picked inflation, and that strawman collapsed under it's own weight.

Your problem with any of these, is you are more interested in telling me what I think, because of your own preferred media narratives, than actually understanding.

smh

Did you swallow the MSM narrative that Putin put bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan? Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

Did you swallow the MSM narrative that Putin put bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan? Yes or no.

Define: "Swallow the msm narrative" to a reasonable degree.

[RandomGuy]

Did you swallow the MSM narrative that Putin put bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan? Yes or no.

:lol Went back into the last page.

The one where I was honest and answered questions in good faith, and you dodged the one about Trump.

My problem ultimately appears to have been the total silence on the part of Trump when it comes to the issue.

The only thing he said on the subject was provably a lie, "I never got briefed", which was his way of not taking a stand.

He then bashed the intelligence, and you swallowed that narrative, hook, line, and sinker, because Trump sucks Putins dick.

[Cuck Ross]

:lol Went back into the last page.

The one where I was honest and answered questions in good faith, and you dodged the one about Trump.

My problem ultimately appears to have been the total silence on the part of Trump when it comes to the issue.

The only thing he said on the subject was provably a lie, "I never got briefed", which was his way of not taking a stand.

He then bashed the intelligence, and you swallowed that narrative, hook, line, and sinker, because Trump sucks Putins dick.
Yeah, you being a chickenshit.

As usual.

It's like you don't want to fucking admit something. I promise it won't hurt your vag.

smh

I will ask you one more time.

Did you believe the (false) MSM narrative that Putin put bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan? Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

Yeah, you being a chickenshit.

As usual.

It's like you don't want to fucking admit something. I promise it won't hurt your vag.

smh

I will ask you one more time.

Did you believe the (false) MSM narrative that Putin put bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan? Yes or no.

"when did you stop beating your wife"? :lol

How exactly was it "false"?

If you are trying to have a good faith discussion, you should be able to clarify.

[ChumpDumper]

You swallowed the narrative that there was a Crystal Level at Mandalay Bay.

[boutons_deux]

here's UNcollapsed, ongoing media narrative the RWNJs must love since Biden and Dems are being trashed for booming economy

New Poll Confirms Media Are Burying Us In Slanted Economic News

By a staggering ratio of six-to-one,

Americans say they are seeing and hearing bad economic news more often than they are positive reports.

The new polling results confirm

the deep disconnect the media have constructed, as news outlets stress. discouraging news regarding the Biden economy,

while often ignoring or downplaying the cascading positive developments.

https://www.nationalmemo.com/negative-press-coverage-of-biden

My guess is that the billionaire oligarchy who own MSM want Biden and the Dems stopped from helping non-oligarchy, and esp stopped from raising taxes, even 1%, on billionaires.

Any whining from Cuck, A. Sullivan, etc?

and/or

MSM was, is so JUSTIFIABLY hard on criminal, liar, loser, homicidal Trash, that they feel must be "even-handed", "no bias", and go equally BUT UNJUSTIFIABLY go hard on Biden.

[Ef-man]

You Nancy Reagan’d the narrative that there was a Crystal Level at Mandalay Bay.

fify

[Cuck Ross]

"when did you stop beating your wife"? :lol

How exactly was it "false"?

If you are trying to have a good faith discussion, you should be able to clarify.

NYT reported that the bounty program allegations were true. Commander of US Central Command after detailed review of intelligence said untrue.

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

You believed the narrative Hillary Clinton was smuggling Haitian children into the US to eat them and absorb their Adrenochrome.

[Winehole23]

You swallowed the narrative that there was a Crystal Level at Mandalay Bay.:lmao

[Cuck Ross]

:lmao

That was Chris not me.

Pavlov STILL following me around begging for attention after years of knowing he's on ignore. :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Oh right -- you thought Paddock was an Islamist Antifa anti-gun activist. Was that your own narrative or did you swallow that one?

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGcPAZEXMAQExOX?format=jpg&name=900x900

[DarrinS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGcPAZEXMAQExOX?format=jpg&name=900x900

Uh, ok. :lmao

[Winehole23]

Uh, ok. :lmaoThey/their as a singular pronoun is contemporary and historical usage, sorry.

[Winehole23]

Damn you're dense, sons.

[Blake]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGcPAZEXMAQExOX?format=jpg&name=900x900

Lol "YesWeHomeSchool"

[RandomGuy]

NYT reported that the bounty program allegations were true. Commander of US Central Command after detailed review of intelligence said untrue.

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.

He didn't say it was untrue. What were his exact words?

[Thread]

He didn't say it was untrue. What were his exact words?

It's okay, RG, if it's true. Biden is still going to the moon with the Poot.

See, it's okay that they fiddle with our elections every 2 years and put a bounty on our soldiers, but,,,

"We'll still go to the moon together, Vlad, & tackle that pesky global warming together, okay tights?"

---

"Si'"

[Cuck Ross]

He didn't say it was untrue. What were his exact words?

Sorry you still have a pending question.

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

NYT reported that the bounty program allegations were true. Commander of US Central Command after detailed review of intelligence said untrue.

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.


He didn't say it was untrue. What were his exact words?


Sorry you still have a pending question.

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.

He didn't say it was untrue. What were his exact words?

NYT didn't report it as true. What were their exact words?

[Cuck Ross]

He didn't say it was untrue. What were his exact words?

NYT didn't report it as true. What were their exact words?

I'm sorry you disagree with my paraphrasing.

Stop being a pussy and answer the pending question you keep dodging.

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

NYT reported that the bounty program allegations were true. Commander of US Central Command after detailed review of intelligence said untrue.

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.



He didn't say it was untrue. What were his exact words?


Sorry you still have a pending question.

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.


He didn't say it was untrue. What were his exact words?

NYT didn't report it as true. What were their exact words?



I'm sorry you disagree with my paraphrasing.

Stop being a pussy and answer the pending question you keep dodging.

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.

You made a direct statement of fact, central to the entire point of the thread, and the fucktarded OP.

At this point it is reasonable to assume from your dodging, since you are not discussing in good faith, that you were factually wrong on both counts.

The general didn't say it was untrue, and the NYT didn't say it was true.

You say I fell for the "MSM narrative" yet you can't honestly say what that is, which is they reported what analysts told them, and the general stated the evidence was not completely conclusive.

Seems like that is the narrative.

[Cuck Ross]

You made a direct statement of fact, central to the entire point of the thread, and the fucktarded OP.

At this point it is reasonable to assume from your dodging, since you are not discussing in good faith, that you were factually wrong on both counts.

The general didn't say it was untrue, and the NYT didn't say it was true.

You say I fell for the "MSM narrative" yet you can't honestly say what that is, which is they reported what analysts told them, and the general stated the evidence was not completely conclusive.

Seems like that is the narrative.

You've dodged my question for weeks :rollin

Sounds like you need a refresher.

Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says
The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment.

American intelligence officials have concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to Taliban (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/world/asia/taliban-news-conference-kabul.html)-linked militants (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/us/militias-republicans-michigan.html) for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan — including targeting American troops — amid the peace talks to end the long-running war there, according to officials briefed on the matter.
The United States concluded months ago that the Russian (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/politics/trump-russia-plot-afghanistan.html) unit, which has been linked to assassination attempts and other covert operations in Europe intended to destabilize the West or take revenge on turncoats, had covertly offered rewards for successful attacks last year.
Islamist militants (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/politics/trump-russia-plot-afghanistan.html), or armed criminal elements closely associated with them, are believed to have collected some bounty money, the officials said. Twenty Americans were killed in combat in Afghanistan in 2019, but it was not clear which killings were under suspicion.
The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said.
An operation to incentivize the killing of American and other NATO troops would be a significant and provocative escalation of what American and Afghan officials have said is Russian support for the Taliban, and it would be the first time the Russian spy unit was known to have orchestrated attacks on Western troops.
Any involvement with the Taliban that resulted in the deaths of American troops would also be a huge escalation of Russia’s so-called hybrid war against the United States, a strategy of destabilizing adversaries through a combination of such tactics as cyberattacks, the spread of fake news and covert and deniable military operations.
The Kremlin had not been made aware of the accusations, said Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia. “If someone makes them, we’ll respond,” Mr. Peskov said.
Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesman for the Taliban, denied that the insurgents have “any such relations with any intelligence agency” and called the report an attempt to defame them.
“These kinds of deals with the Russian intelligence agency are baseless — our target killings and assassinations were ongoing in years before, and we did it on our own resources,” he said. “That changed after our deal with the Americans, and their lives are secure and we don’t attack them.”


Spokespeople at the National Security Council, the Pentagon, the State Department and the C.I.A. declined to comment. (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/business/car-electric-engine-retrofitting.html?action=click&algo=identity&block=editors_picks_recirc&fellback=false&imp_id=666363647&impression_id=d0a2d902-5d21-11ec-b8b1-6d68b5c8c21e&index=2&pgtype=Article&pool=editors-picks-ls&region=ccolumn&req_id=47810419&surface=home-featured&variant=0_identity)


The officials familiar with the intelligence did not explain the White House delay in deciding how to respond to the intelligence about Russia.

(https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/business/car-electric-engine-retrofitting.html?action=click&algo=identity&block=editors_picks_recirc&fellback=false&imp_id=666363647&impression_id=d0a2d902-5d21-11ec-b8b1-6d68b5c8c21e&index=2&pgtype=Article&pool=editors-picks-ls&region=ccolumn&req_id=47810419&surface=home-featured&variant=0_identity)

While some of his closest advisers, like Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, have counseled more hawkish policies toward Russia, Mr. Trump has adopted an accommodating stance toward Moscow.
At a summit in 2018 in Helsinki, Finland, Mr. Trump strongly suggested that he believed Mr. Putin’s denial (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/16/world/europe/trump-putin-election-intelligence.html) that the Kremlin interfered in the 2016 presidential election, despite broad agreement within the American intelligence establishment that it did. Mr. Trump criticized a bill imposing sanctions on Russia (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/europe/trump-russia-sanctions.html) when he signed it into law after Congress passed it by veto-proof majorities. And he has repeatedly made statements that undermined the NATO alliance (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/politics/nato-president-trump.html) as a bulwark against Russian aggression in Europe.
The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the delicate intelligence and internal deliberations. They said the intelligence had been treated as a closely held secret, but the administration expanded briefings about it this week — including sharing information about it with the British government, whose forces are among those said to have been targeted.



The intelligence assessment is said to be based at least in part on interrogations of captured Afghan militants and criminals. The officials did not describe the mechanics of the Russian operation, such as how targets were picked or how money changed hands. It is also not clear whether Russian operatives had deployed inside Afghanistan or met with their Taliban counterparts elsewhere.


The revelations came into focus inside the Trump administration at a delicate and distracted time. Although officials collected the intelligence earlier in the year, the interagency meeting at the White House took place as the coronavirus pandemic was becoming a crisis (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html) and parts of the country were shutting down.
Moreover, as Mr. Trump seeks re-election in November, he wants to strike a peace deal with the Taliban to end the Afghanistan war.
Both American and Afghan officials have previously accused Russia of providing small arms and other support to the Taliban (https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/26/596933077/top-u-s-commander-in-afghanistan-accuses-russia-of-aiding-taliban) that amounts to destabilizing activity, although Russian government officials have dismissed such claims as “idle gossip” and baseless.
“We share some interests with Russia in Afghanistan, and clearly they’re acting to undermine our interests as well,” Gen. John W. Nicholson Jr., the commander of American forces in Afghanistan at the time, said in a 2018 interview with the BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43500299).
Though coalition troops suffered a spate of combat casualties last summer and early fall (http://icasualties.org/App/AfghanFatalities?page=1&rows=100), only a few have since been killed. Four Americans were killed in combat in early 2020, but the Taliban have not attacked American positions since a February agreement.
American troops have also sharply reduced their movement outside military bases because of the coronavirus, reducing their exposure to attack.
While officials were said to be confident about the intelligence that Russian operatives offered and paid bounties to Afghan militants for killing Americans, they have greater uncertainty about how high in the Russian government the covert operation was authorized and what its aim may be.


Some officials have theorized that the Russians may be seeking revenge on NATO forces for a 2018 battle in Syria (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html) in which the American military killed several hundred pro-Syrian forces, including numerous Russian mercenaries, as they advanced on an American outpost. Officials have also suggested that the Russians may have been trying to derail peace talks to keep the United States bogged down in Afghanistan. But the motivation remains murky.
The officials briefed on the matter said the government had assessed the operation to be the handiwork of Unit 29155 (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/world/europe/unit-29155-russia-gru.html), an arm of Russia’s military intelligence agency, known widely as the G.R.U. The unit is linked to the March 2018 nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury, England, of Sergei Skripal, a former G.R.U. officer who had worked for British intelligence and then defected, and his daughter.
Western intelligence officials say the unit, which has operated for more than a decade, has been charged by the Kremlin with carrying out a campaign to destabilize the West through subversion, sabotage and assassination. In addition to the 2018 poisoning, the unit was behind an attempted coup in Montenegro (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/09/world/europe/montenegro-coup-plot-gru.html) in 2016 and the poisoning of an arms manufacturer (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/22/world/europe/bulgaria-russia-assassination-squad.html) in Bulgaria a year earlier.
American intelligence officials say the G.R.U. was at the center of Moscow’s covert efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. In the months before that election, American officials say, two G.R.U. cyberunits, known as 26165 and 74455, hacked into Democratic Party servers and then used WikiLeaks to publish embarrassing internal communications.
In part because those efforts were aimed at helping tilt the election in Mr. Trump’s favor, his handling of issues related to Russia and Mr. Putin has come under particular scrutiny. The special counsel investigation found that the Trump campaign welcomed Russia’s intervention and expected to benefit from it, but found insufficient evidence to establish that his associates had engaged in any criminal conspiracy with Moscow.
Operations involving Unit 29155 tend to be much more violent than those involving the cyberunits. Its officers are often decorated military veterans with years of service, in some cases dating to the Soviet Union’s failed war in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Never before has the unit been accused of orchestrating attacks on Western soldiers, but officials briefed on its operations say it has been active in Afghanistan for many years.
Though Russia declared the Taliban a terrorist organization in 2003, relations between them have been warming in recent years. Taliban officials have traveled to Moscow for peace talks (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/04/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-russia-talks-russia.html) with other prominent Afghans, including the former president, Hamid Karzai. The talks have excluded representatives from the current Afghan government as well as anyone from the United States, and at times they have seemed to work at crosscurrents with American efforts to bring an end to the conflict.


The disclosure comes at a time when Mr. Trump has said he would invite Mr. Putin to an expanded meeting of the Group of 7 nations, but tensions between American and Russian militaries are running high (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/us/politics/coronavirus-global-competition-russia-china-iran-north-korea.html).
In several recent episodes, in international territory and airspace from off the coast of Alaska to the Black and Mediterranean Seas, combat planes from each country have scrambled to intercept military aircraft from the other.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html


Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.

[Ef-man]

He didn't say it was untrue. What were his exact words?

NYT didn't report it as true. What were their exact words?



https://media.giphy.com/media/JPgQ3ae4DAzS0PaLNW/giphy.gif

:lol

[RandomGuy]

Spokespeople at the National Security Council, the Pentagon, the State Department and the C.I.A. declined to comment. (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/business/car-electric-engine-retrofitting.html?action=click&algo=identity&block=editors_picks_recirc&fellback=false&imp_id=666363647&impression_id=d0a2d902-5d21-11ec-b8b1-6d68b5c8c21e&index=2&pgtype=Article&pool=editors-picks-ls®ion=ccolumn&req_id=47810419&surface=home-featured&variant=0_identity)


The officials familiar with the intelligence did not explain the White House delay in deciding how to respond to the intelligence about Russia.

(https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/business/car-electric-engine-retrofitting.html?action=click&algo=identity&block=editors_picks_recirc&fellback=false&imp_id=666363647&impression_id=d0a2d902-5d21-11ec-b8b1-6d68b5c8c21e&index=2&pgtype=Article&pool=editors-picks-ls®ion=ccolumn&req_id=47810419&surface=home-featured&variant=0_identity)

:lol It may not be cheap indeed.

edit:

CLICK ON THE LINKS.

[RandomGuy]

NYT reported that the bounty program allegations were true.

What the NYT actually said:


"American intelligence officials have concluded that a Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants for killing coalition forces in Afghanistan — including targeting American troops — amid the peace talks to end the long-running war there, according to officials briefed on the matter.
The United States concluded months ago that the Russian unit, which has been linked to assassination attempts and other covert operations in Europe intended to destabilize the West or take revenge on turncoats, had covertly offered rewards for successful attacks last year."

So, no they did not say "it was true". They said, "someone concluded it was true".

So your conservative MSM narrative collapses under the weight of its propaganda. :lol

On to the next point.

[RandomGuy]

Now on to the part you left out. For some reason.


Commander of US Central Command after detailed review of intelligence said untrue.

What the general actually said:


"The intel case wasn't proved to me -- it wasn't proved enough that I'd take it to a court of law -- and you know that's often true in battlefield intelligence," McKenzie said.

He didn't say it was untrue. He said it wasn't "proved enough". That is a far, far, cry from being false or untrue.

So your conservative MSM narrative collapses under the weight of its propaganda. :lol

[Cuck Ross]

What the NYT actually said:



So, no they did not say "it was true". They said, "someone concluded it was true".

So your conservative MSM narrative collapses under the weight of its propaganda. :lol

On to the next point.

Yeah, you being a chickenshit.

As usual.

It's like you don't want to fucking admit something. I promise it won't hurt your vag.

smh

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.

[Cuck Ross]

What the NYT actually said:



So, no they did not say "it was true". They said, "someone concluded it was true".

So your conservative MSM narrative collapses under the weight of its propaganda. :lol

On to the next point.

No American intelligence officials concluded that it was true, yet you swallowed the MSM narrative whole :lol

[Cuck Ross]

:lol It may not be cheap indeed.

"I don't understand why this president is unwilling to take on Putin when he's actually paying bounties to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan," Biden said of President Trump, speaking to Kristen Welker of NBC News during the Oct. 22 presidential debate.

Joe Biden fell for it.

Why do you refuse to admit you fell for it too?

[Blake]

Cuck just rambling

You hate to see it

[Thread]

"I don't understand why this president is unwilling to take on Putin when he's actually paying bounties to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan," Biden said of President Trump, speaking to Kristen Welker of NBC News during the Oct. 22 presidential debate.

Joe Biden fell for it.

Why do you refuse to admit you fell for it too?

It's a prickly situation, CR. If MF Biden chews out the Poot too badly for the bounties on our soldiers the Poot won't go to the moon with us. If MF Biden chews out the Poot too much for undermining our democracy every other year the Poot won't fight global warming with us.

[Thread]

Cuck just rambling

You hate to see it

Please. He's in your kitchen and you've always hated that, Blake.

[Blake]

Please. He's in your kitchen and you've always hated that, Blake.

Lol no. Just stopping in for an lol.

[ChumpDumper]

TSA swallowed the narrative that a child sex dungeon was being run under a pizza parlor.

[Winehole23]

Swallowed it whole and spit it out undigested

[RandomGuy]

No American intelligence officials concluded that it was true, yet you swallowed the MSM narrative whole :lol

:lol walkback of your swallowed narrative.

Fair enough. The evidence is, and was inconclusive. That seems like where it ends.

[Cuck Ross]

:lol walkback of your swallowed narrative.

Fair enough. The evidence is, and was inconclusive. That seems like where it ends.

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

So this isn't even about "media narratives" -- it's about TSA's trying to live down the conspiracy theories he believed and pimped here by j'accusing others of the same.

[koriwhat]

Did you believe there was a bounty program? Yes or no.

RadomBitch still believe Rachel Madcows Russiagate so... The retard conspiracy nuts belong to the left though they'd argue that point like they argue men can be women. Reality eludes them all.