Samsung to open $17B chip plant in Taylor, TX

[Winehole23]

Samsung is set to build a new $17 billion computer chip factory in Taylor, Texas, The Wall Street Journal reported (https://www.wsj.com/articles/samsung-to-choose-taylor-texas-for-17-billion-chipmaking-factory-11637627613?mod=hp_lead_pos7).


An official announcement could come as early as Tuesday, people familiar with the matter told the Journal, and comes as the Biden administration makes a push for expanding semiconductor production in the U.S.


Spokespeople for Samsung and Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (https://thehill.com/people/greg-abbott) (R), who is scheduled to make an economic announcement later Tuesday, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/582789-samsung-picks-texas-for-17b-chip-factory-report

[Thanos]

Great, now the lines at Louie Mueller’s are going to be even crazier.

[Winehole23]

Great, now the lines at Louie Mueller’s are going to be even crazier.Great cue, did you ever try the brisket at Taylor Cafe before it closed?

[baseline bum]

Great, now the lines at Louie Mueller’s are going to be even crazier.


Great cue, did you ever try the brisket at Taylor Cafe before it closed?

Never been. Anything I can get better at Louie Mueller than at City Market, Black's, or Smitty's?

[SnakeBoy]

So what's that make, 10 Fabs under construction in the US now?

[Winehole23]

Never been. Anything I can get better at Louie Mueller than at City Market, Black's, or Smitty's?Other than the beef rib I'd say no, but it's been a few years since I've been to LM.

City Market is pretty much my go to for out of town cue.

[Winehole23]

So what's that make, 10 Fabs under construction in the US now?what are the others?

[ChumpDumper]

Interesting reverse commuting scheme.

[Thanos]

Never been. Anything I can get better at Louie Mueller than at City Market, Black's, or Smitty's?
It’s been a couple years since I last went, but I think they have the best beef ribs in Texas.

[SnakeBoy]

what are the others?

I don't know them all, just heard 9 were planned not too long ago. I know intel is building a couple and I think I heard TSMC & Texas Instruments as well.

It's not just the US, the capitalist world appears done with exploiting China.

[pgardn]

Abbott and his globalization schemes. Oh yes, business friendly.

Why is the real red team putting up with this large scale cooperation?
This is communism and globalization. Where are the US owned companies? wtf, a tax break for commies? (south koreans have that narrow eyed commie look)

-koriwhat

[baseline bum]

I don't know them all, just heard 9 were planned not too long ago. I know intel is building a couple and I think I heard TSMC & Texas Instruments as well.

It's not just the US, the capitalist world appears done with exploiting China.

Don't think Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company ever had much use for China tbh

[SnakeBoy]

Don't think Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company ever had much use for China tbh

Oh okay

[Winehole23]

I don't know them all, just heard 9 were planned not too long ago. I know intel is building a couple and I think I heard TSMC & Texas Instruments as well.

It's not just the US, the capitalist world appears done with exploiting China.ah, yes your pet theory that China is imploding as we speak. what's your timeline on that?

[SnakeBoy]

ah, yes your pet theory that China is imploding as we speak. what's your timeline on that?

Imploding is your word. We've already seen peak China.

[Winehole23]

Imploding is your word. We've already seen peak China.What makes you think so?

[Winehole23]

Imploding is your word. We've already seen peak China.My bad, it was the EU you said was on the verge of collapse, because you read one book.


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261616&page=29&p=10455644&viewfull=1#post10455644
https://www.amazon.com/Disunited-Nations-Scramble-Power-Ungoverned/dp/0062913689

[CosmicCowboy]

China will continue to kick our ass. Here is an interesting oped from the wall street journal. I will clip and paste since you have to have a subscription to read it.

As a Chinese doctoral student raising a young son in the U.S., I am mystified by how American elementary schools coddle students. In China, schools are run like boot camps. What do the therapeutic comforts America showers on its youth portend for a growing competition with China?

I recently registered my son in the third grade at a New Jersey public school. Hattie had recently finished two years of elementary school in Chengdu, China, where he trotted off to school each day with a backpack stuffed with thick textbooks and materials for practices and quizzes. Here he leaves for school with little in his backpack other than a required “healthy snack.”

The first day he came home with a sheet of math homework: 35 addition problems. He finished in about a minute. On the second day, he was asked to write 328 in different configurations. He first wrote down 300+20+8, following the prompt, and then 164x2, 82x4 and 656÷2.

My son is not a genius, but he started studying math at an early age. When he was 5, I taught him fractions. Two years later, I introduced him to algebra. It is a core belief in Chinese society that talent can be trained, so schools should be tough on children. Chinese students score at the top of international math and science tests.

This is not a philosophy shared by American schools. On Friday night my son came home announcing in bewilderment that he didn’t have any homework. In China students tend to receive twice as much homework on the weekend, given the two days to complete it. How will America compete with a China determined to train the best mathematicians, scientists and engineers?

Unfolding now are two Maoist cultural revolutions, one in the East and the other in the West. The former is a jingoistic nationalism enforced by party loyalties and ubiquitous secret police. The latter is an anti-Americanism enforced by progressive mobs seeking to defund the police. Both are about limiting expression, controlling thought and regulating behavior.

Xi Jinping has been cracking down on everything from finance to entertainment to whip his country through a “national rejuvenation.” China’s nationalism is explicitly anchored in Maoism, with Mr. Xi representing the new cult of personality. Meanwhile, woke America—which, consciously or not, deploys Maoist tactics—is destroying the core traditions of Western civilization with identity politics.

In both countries, control must extend to the very young to mold them in the image of the official ideology. In fall 2021 Chinese pupils returned to school with a new requirement to study “Xi Jinping Thought.” Schools must “plant the seeds of loving the party, the country, and socialism in young hearts,” a government announcement declares. Across the ocean, American pupils are taught that white America is inherently racist, regardless of individual intention or action.

Chinese education pushes the young in directions that serve the party and the state. Youth are trained to be skilled laborers ready to endure hard work and brutal competition. Such political indoctrination is taught side by side with math and science. American education is supposed to be about opening minds but appears not to fill them with much. Worse, young Americans are not prepared for the demands of being an adult.

This phenomenon started in higher education. For years attending American universities, I have been disturbed to watch colleges fabricate “anxiety” and “depression” in students who are not mentally ill. Administrators have used grossly exaggerated terms such as “trauma,” and melodramatic expressions such as “I cannot begin to imagine what you have suffered,” to turn into a catastrophe what is best described as disappointment. This creates a culture of victimization.

The absurdity peaked after the election of Donald Trump in 2016. Students from elite universities claimed existential despair, finding comfort in cocoa, coloring books and therapy dogs. Classes were canceled and exams postponed, all in the name of soothing 20-somethings who need to be learning how to adapt to reality as adults.

Chinese citizens enjoy mocking the Western “snowflakes.” Less amusing is what this trend means for the U.S. as China no longer hides its enmity for America.

[CosmicCowboy]

double post

[ChumpDumper]

Who names their son Hattie?

[ElNono]

Brandon bringing back manufacturing, building back better, etc...

Brandon

[ElNono]

Intel also laid out pretty significant plans for chip fabs in Arizona...

Intel's Expensive New Plan to Upgrade Its Chip Technology - and US Manufacturing

America's push to manufacturer more products domestically gets an in-depth look from CNET (https://www.cnet.com/road-trip/) — including a new Intel chip factory outside of Phoenix.

CNET calls it a fork in the road (https://www.cnet.com/features/intels-chip-recovery-plan-could-restore-us-manufacturing-prowess/) "after squandering its lead because of a half decade of problems modernizing its manufacturing..." With "a decade of bad decisions, this doesn't get fixed overnight," says Pat Gelsinger, Intel's new chief executive, in an interview. "But the bottom is behind us and the slope is starting to feel increasingly strong...." More fabs are on the way, too. In an enormous empty patch of dirt at its existing Arizona site, Intel has just begun building fabs 52 and 62 at a total cost of $20 billion, set to make Intel's most advanced chips, starting in 2024. Later this year, it hopes to announce the U.S. location for its third major manufacturing complex, a 1,000-acre site costing about $100 billion. The spending commitment makes this year's $3.5 billion upgrade to its New Mexico fab (https://www.cnet.com/news/intel-investing-3-5b-in-new-mexico-fab-upgrade-boosting-us-chipmaking/) look cheap. The goal is to restore the U.S. share of chip manufacturing, which has slid from 37% in 1990 to 12% today. "Over the decade in front of us, we should be striving to bring the U.S. to 30% of worldwide semiconductor manufacturing," Gelsinger says...

But returning Intel to its glory days — and anchoring a resurgent U.S. electronics business in the process — is much easier said than done. Making chips profitably means running fabs at maximum capacity to pay off the gargantuan investments required to stay at the leading edge. A company that can't keep pace gets squeezed out, like IBM in 2014 (https://www.enterpriseai.news/2014/10/20/ibm-systems-get-breathing-room-globalfoundries-chip-deal/) or Global Foundries in 2018 (https://www.eetimes.com/globalfoundries-halts-7nm-work/). To catch up after its delays, Intel now plans to upgrade its manufacturing five times in the next four years, a breakneck pace by industry standards. "This new roadmap that they announced is really aggressive," says Linley Group analyst Linley Gwennap. "I don't have any idea how they are going to accomplish all of that...."

Gelsinger has a tech-first recovery plan. He's pledged to accelerate manufacturing upgrades to match the technology of TSMC and Samsung by 2024 and surpass them in 2025. He's opening Intel's fabs to other companies that need chips built through its new Intel Foundry Services (https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/foundry/intel-foundry-services.html) (IFS). And he's relying on other foundries, including TSMC, for about a quarter of Intel's near-term chipmaking needs (https://www.anandtech.com/show/17042/bringing-geek-back-qa-with-intel-ceo-pat-gelsinger) to keep its chips more competitive during the upgrades. This three-pronged strategy is called IDM (integrated design and manufacturing) 2.0 (https://www.cnet.com/news/intel-will-make-others-chips-in-major-turnaround-effort-under-new-ceo/). That's a new take on Intel's philosophy of both designing and making chips. It's more ambitious than the future some had expected, in which Intel would sell its factories and join the ranks of "fabless" chip designers like Nvidia, AMD and Qualcomm that rely on others for manufacturing...

Shareholders may not like Gelsinger's spending-heavy strategy, but one community really does: Intel's engineers... Gelsigner told the board that Intel is done with stock buybacks, a financial move in which a company uses its cash to buy stock and thereby increase its price. "We're investing in factories," he told me. "That's going to be the use of our cash...."

"We cannot recall the last time Intel put so many stakes in the ground," said BMO Capital Markets analyst Ambrish Srivastava in a July research report after Intel announced its schedule.
Intel will even outpace Moore's law (https://www.cnet.com/news/intel-will-outpace-moores-law-ceo-pat-gelsinger-says/), Gelsinger tells CNET — more than doubling the transistor count on processors every two years. "I believe that you're going to see from 2025 to 2035 a very healthy period for Moore's Law-like behavior."

Although that still brings some risk to Intel's investments if they have to pass the costs on to customer, a Linley Group analyst points out to CNET. "Moore's Law is not going to end when we can't build smaller transistors. It's going to end when somebody says I don't want to pay for smaller transistors."

[SnakeBoy]

What makes you think so?

Chinese labor can only get exploited once. Peak exploitation is over and the CCP failed to make any meaningful friends. Cracking down on their own population isn't the sign of strength CC thinks it is.

[SnakeBoy]

Brandon bringing back manufacturing, building back better, etc...

Brandon

:tu

I'm pleased he's sticking with Murica 1st. Hopefully it continues.

[rmt]

Who names their son Hattie?

You read that entire article and all you do is mock the name of his son? Nothing about the substance of the article?

Pretty much echoes my thoughts on US education. I hope the elections in VA spur a change in education: school choice, a return to the basics and parental involvement in their kids' education - hold these so called education expects accountable - prepare yourself for terrible test scores and school grades due to massive losses during covid. Gone are the waivers for testing for promotion - this year's testing will show the losses.

Please supplement on your own - especially math - a shout out for my favorite curriculum - Singapore Math - the Singaporean 4th and 8th graders consistently score at the top of all countries in math and science. I used Primary Math 1-5 for all my kids (then switched to Dolciani's Pre-Algebra and Algebra in 6th and 7th).

https://timss2019.org/reports/

[SnakeBoy]

Brandon melting down and flailing over $80 oil is a bit concerning tho

[ElNono]

Chinese labor can only get exploited once. Peak exploitation is over and the CCP failed to make any meaningful friends. Cracking down on their own population isn't the sign of strength CC thinks it is.

Dunno about that, tbh... they can still manipulate their currency to make themselves competitive. On the chip segment specifically, they have a few things that are difficult to match, like the ability to ramp up and down lines in a whim, a cadre of highly experienced people able to copycat tech quickly, and everything at a cost that scales well.

[ChumpDumper]

You read that entire article and all you do is mock the name of his son? Nothing about the substance of the article?"Be more like the Communists" is an interesting call to action.

[ElNono]

Don't think Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company ever had much use for China tbh

TSMC has two fabs in China...

[baseline bum]

TSMC has two fabs in China...

Wow I would have thought they'd want nothing to do with a Taiwanese company.

[CosmicCowboy]

"Be more like the Communists" is an interesting call to action.

It's not a call to action it is stating the obvious. The US is on the decline and China is on the rise. You are an idiot if you don't see it. They just launched a hypersonic ICBM that went all the way around the world which then launched another hypersonic glide missile...the US isn't even close to their technology and that just one small example. All those STEM kids are growing up and kicking our ass.

[SnakeBoy]

Dunno about that, tbh... they can still manipulate their currency to make themselves competitive. On the chip segment specifically, they have a few things that are difficult to match, like the ability to ramp up and down lines in a whim, a cadre of highly experienced people able to copycat tech quickly, and everything at a cost that scales well.

Well I didn't say China was going back to eating mud pies. They've crammed a lot of industrialization into a few decades. They can't do that again, hence peak China is behind us. Maybe CC is right and the CCP will thrive economically rejecting liberalism and cracking down on their own population. History isn't on their side.

[ChumpDumper]

It's not a call to action it is stating the obvious. The US is on the decline and China is on the rise. You are an idiot if you don't see it. They just launched a hypersonic ICBM that went all the way around the world which then launched another hypersonic glide missile...the US isn't even close to their technology and that just one small example. All those STEM kids are growing up and kicking our ass.So we shouldn't be more like them?

[CosmicCowboy]

Well I didn't say China was going back to eating mud pies. They've crammed a lot of industrialization into a few decades. They can't do that again, hence peak China is behind us. Maybe CC is right and the CCP will thrive economically rejecting liberalism and cracking down on their own population. History isn't on their side.

Well, they have managed to survive since 1250BC without liberalism...

[CosmicCowboy]

So we shouldn't be more like them?

Our schools should.

[SnakeBoy]

It's not a call to action it is stating the obvious. The US is on the decline and China is on the rise. You are an idiot if you don't see it. They just launched a hypersonic ICBM that went all the way around the world which then launched another hypersonic glide missile...the US isn't even close to their technology and that just one small example. All those STEM kids are growing up and kicking our ass.

Shit! All they have to do is nuke us and the world is theirs.

Damn these kids today amirite?

[spurraider21]

:tu

I'm pleased he's sticking with Murica 1st. Hopefully it continues.
massive domestic spending programs :tu

FDR was the ultimate America First president tbh

[CosmicCowboy]

Plus, there are structural challenges in a capitalist system that are undeniable...most of the best and brightest want to be like Thomas J Henry, not Albert Einstein because that's where the big bucks are.

[pgardn]

Our schools should.

We have the best schools in the world.

The problem is that some of our schools are also warehousing kids doing nothing with them.
There is a huge divide in education in this country. We turn out THE BEST, and the worst.

This is not surprising. It very much correlates with the distribution of wealth in this country.
So take a more fundamental step back down and figure out how to solve this.

[CosmicCowboy]

Shit! All they have to do is nuke us and the world is theirs.

Damn these kids today amirite?

Mutually Assured Destruction works as a deterrent to the Chinese as well as the Russians when it comes to nukes. There are enough nukes now to kill the world about 100 times over.

[CosmicCowboy]

double post

[baseline bum]

China will continue to kick our ass. Here is an interesting oped from the wall street journal. I will clip and paste since you have to have a subscription to read it.

As a Chinese doctoral student raising a young son in the U.S., I am mystified by how American elementary schools coddle students. In China, schools are run like boot camps. What do the therapeutic comforts America showers on its youth portend for a growing competition with China?

I recently registered my son in the third grade at a New Jersey public school. Hattie had recently finished two years of elementary school in Chengdu, China, where he trotted off to school each day with a backpack stuffed with thick textbooks and materials for practices and quizzes. Here he leaves for school with little in his backpack other than a required “healthy snack.”

The first day he came home with a sheet of math homework: 35 addition problems. He finished in about a minute. On the second day, he was asked to write 328 in different configurations. He first wrote down 300+20+8, following the prompt, and then 164x2, 82x4 and 656÷2.

My son is not a genius, but he started studying math at an early age. When he was 5, I taught him fractions. Two years later, I introduced him to algebra. It is a core belief in Chinese society that talent can be trained, so schools should be tough on children. Chinese students score at the top of international math and science tests.

This is not a philosophy shared by American schools. On Friday night my son came home announcing in bewilderment that he didn’t have any homework. In China students tend to receive twice as much homework on the weekend, given the two days to complete it. How will America compete with a China determined to train the best mathematicians, scientists and engineers?

Unfolding now are two Maoist cultural revolutions, one in the East and the other in the West. The former is a jingoistic nationalism enforced by party loyalties and ubiquitous secret police. The latter is an anti-Americanism enforced by progressive mobs seeking to defund the police. Both are about limiting expression, controlling thought and regulating behavior.

Xi Jinping has been cracking down on everything from finance to entertainment to whip his country through a “national rejuvenation.” China’s nationalism is explicitly anchored in Maoism, with Mr. Xi representing the new cult of personality. Meanwhile, woke America—which, consciously or not, deploys Maoist tactics—is destroying the core traditions of Western civilization with identity politics.

In both countries, control must extend to the very young to mold them in the image of the official ideology. In fall 2021 Chinese pupils returned to school with a new requirement to study “Xi Jinping Thought.” Schools must “plant the seeds of loving the party, the country, and socialism in young hearts,” a government announcement declares. Across the ocean, American pupils are taught that white America is inherently racist, regardless of individual intention or action.

Chinese education pushes the young in directions that serve the party and the state. Youth are trained to be skilled laborers ready to endure hard work and brutal competition. Such political indoctrination is taught side by side with math and science. American education is supposed to be about opening minds but appears not to fill them with much. Worse, young Americans are not prepared for the demands of being an adult.

This phenomenon started in higher education. For years attending American universities, I have been disturbed to watch colleges fabricate “anxiety” and “depression” in students who are not mentally ill. Administrators have used grossly exaggerated terms such as “trauma,” and melodramatic expressions such as “I cannot begin to imagine what you have suffered,” to turn into a catastrophe what is best described as disappointment. This creates a culture of victimization.

The absurdity peaked after the election of Donald Trump in 2016. Students from elite universities claimed existential despair, finding comfort in cocoa, coloring books and therapy dogs. Classes were canceled and exams postponed, all in the name of soothing 20-somethings who need to be learning how to adapt to reality as adults.

Chinese citizens enjoy mocking the Western “snowflakes.” Less amusing is what this trend means for the U.S. as China no longer hides its enmity for America.

LOL Trumptard accusing anyone of identity politics. The right runs almost exclusively on the culture war since tax cuts for billionaires isn't that popular a public policy on its own. And the party of 'Biden stole the election' calling anyone snowflakes is hilarious. Also LOL acting like Chinese schools all of a sudden just got harder and American schools turned soft overnight. It has been like that since at least the 1990s according to every student from China I have ever known. But let's blame something that has been in place 30 years on woke culture for muh feels.

[vy65]

lol cc

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL Trumptard accusing anyone of identity politics. The right runs almost exclusively on the culture war since tax cuts for billionaires isn't that popular a public policy on its own. And the party of 'Biden stole the election' calling anyone snowflakes is hilarious. Also LOL acting like Chinese schools all of a sudden just got harder and American schools turned soft overnight. It has been like that since at least the 1990s according to every student from China I have ever known. But let's blame something that has been in place 30 years on woke culture for muh feels.

Well your initial premise is faulty since I'm not a Trumtard and I don't think Biden stole the election. And yes, chinese schools have been tougher for years and that is why they are kicking our ass in tech these days.

[baseline bum]

Well your initial premise is faulty since I'm not a Trumtard and I don't think Biden stole the election. And yes, chinese schools have been tougher for years and that is why they are kicking our ass in tech these days.

I'm calling the writer of that whiny op a Trumptard.

[SnakeBoy]

Mutually Assured Destruction works as a deterrent to the Chinese as well as the Russians when it comes to nukes. There are enough nukes now to kill the world about 100 times over.

That was the point of my sarcasm. China's hypersonic missile is a nothingburger.

Well it is going to spur huge defense spending which will lead to new technologies so I guess that it is something.

[baseline bum]

Well your initial premise is faulty since I'm not a Trumtard and I don't think Biden stole the election. And yes, chinese schools have been tougher for years and that is why they are kicking our ass in tech these days.

Also that let's beat our kids down into the ground culture is destroying Japan right now. They get worked to death six days a week in school so are conditioned to think getting worked to death in their adult years is normal, which has been killing birth rates and ensures crippling recession as the population keeps getting older and older.

[Thanos]

You read that entire article and all you do is mock the name of his son? Nothing about the substance of the article?

Pretty much echoes my thoughts on US education. I hope the elections in VA spur a change in education: school choice, a return to the basics and parental involvement in their kids' education - hold these so called education expects accountable - prepare yourself for terrible test scores and school grades due to massive losses during covid. Gone are the waivers for testing for promotion - this year's testing will show the losses.

Please supplement on your own - especially math - a shout out for my favorite curriculum - Singapore Math - the Singaporean 4th and 8th graders consistently score at the top of all countries in math and science. I used Primary Math 1-5 for all my kids (then switched to Dolciani's Pre-Algebra and Algebra in 6th and 7th).

https://timss2019.org/reports/
Nobody cares about your retarded homeschooled kids.

[baseline bum]

Nobody cares about your retarded homeschooled kids.

I always think of this review of the book from the algebra classes I took in college when I read rm... Wild Cobra talk about math.



Review of Abstract Algebra by Dummit & Foote

Like most Adequacy readers, I am very good at higher mathematics. In high school, I placed near the top of my Algebra II class, and aced the Math portion of the SAT with a 590. As my children are currently working their way through middle school, I felt obligated to renew my skills in order to help them with their homework. But after slogging through Dummit and Foote's turgid tome, I can only say that it is the worst mathematics text I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. The first flaw a reader will note is the incredible rate at which the material is presented. Section 0.1 breezes through difficult concepts like functions, sets, and complex numbers. By Chapter 1, my head was spinning after reading statements like, "For n in Z+, Z/nZ is an abelian group under the operation + of addition of residue classes as described in Chapter 0," and, "A subset S of elements of a group G with the property that every element of G can be written as a (finite) product of elements of S and their inverses is called a set of generators of G."

As we see from these excerpts from the text, Dummit and Foote are disciples of "new math," a doctrine discredited in the 70's. Too often, strange symbols and jargon take the place of clear English prose. Extraneous concepts like "sets"--much less "finite nilpotent groups" or "invariant factor decompositions" or "symmetric multilinear maps"--are merely obstacles to a student's understanding of algebra. Sadly, the authors, holed up in their ivory towers, have not yet learned these vital educational lessons.

Yet for all the apparent erudition of the authors, the text is full of obvious errors. For example, on page 44, the authors assert that z*a = z + a, an obvious error. On page 97, we find the ludicrous assertion that ap = a, clearly flase unless p = 1. And on page 329, the text asserts that r(x + N) = rx + N, an obvious typo.

That the authors could publish such a sloppy text and remain employed at the University of Vermont speaks volumes about the evils of tenure.

I can only recommend this text to those already secure in their knowledge of Algebra who might derive amusement from the frequent missteps of the authors. And even then, with a $100 price tag, it can hardly be considered worth the expense.

I fear for the education of the next generation when prominent publishers push "new math" on hapless educators. Using this text to teach learn Algebra from this text will alienate students from math and science, driving America further behind the rest of the world in education. I can only hope that our school boards will reject this attempt to corrupt high school curricula and get back to teaching the basics.

Rating: 0 of 5 stars


Though to be fair, Artin's Algebra (first edition) (https://www.amazon.com/Algebra-Michael-Artin/dp/0130047635) is a better book IMO.

[ElNono]

Wow I would have thought they'd want nothing to do with a Taiwanese company.

TSMC has become too big to fail, and is majority owned by foreign investors. Plus China is a big-ass market.

[Trill Clinton]

Tech-as

[ElNono]

Well I didn't say China was going back to eating mud pies. They've crammed a lot of industrialization into a few decades. They can't do that again, hence peak China is behind us. Maybe CC is right and the CCP will thrive economically rejecting liberalism and cracking down on their own population. History isn't on their side.

They cornered manufacturing and unlike the US that used to distribute that money among the population, they're tunneling it via particular holdings like Alibaba, Tencent, etc into investments in the service economy. That's basically the last frontier and when the US started to get nervous.

They're also a nuclear power and the largest holders of US Treasuries, so the US is going to thread very carefully about manufacturing internal dissent in that country, especially when other countries like Russia will gladly side with them.

[spurraider21]

They cornered manufacturing and unlike the US that used to distribute that money among the population, they're tunneling it via particular holdings like Alibaba, Tencent, etc into investments in the service economy. That's basically the last frontier and when the US started to get nervous.

They're also a nuclear power and the largest holders of US Treasuries, so the US is going to thread very carefully about manufacturing internal dissent in that country, especially when other countries like Russia will gladly side with them.
its actually Japan but nobody talks about that for some reason :lol

[Winehole23]

TSMC has become too big to fail, and is majority owned by foreign investors. Plus China is a big-ass market.PRC also doesn't have an imdependent central bank.Not so susceptible to exogenous financial steering and free to write down whatever it wants in favor of political priorities like general prosperity -- e.g. Jack Ma and the real estate sector. PRC controls financialization.

[Winehole23]

The USA is a long spell from autarky and so is the EU. Would take decades to completely disentangle, even if the political will were there to do it.

I think SnakeBoy is wishcasting, tbh.

[ElNono]

its actually Japan but nobody talks about that for some reason :lol

Oops, you're right, thanks... Make that #2 and closing in fast:

Japan: 1,277.3
China, Mainland: 1,061.9
United Kingdom: 452.9
Ireland: 322.9

[spurraider21]

Oops, you're right, thanks... Make that #2 and closing in fast:

Japan: 1,277.3
China, Mainland: 1,061.9
United Kingdom: 452.9
Ireland: 322.9
Your capitulation is duly noted

[ElNono]

Your capitulation is duly noted

Apology accepted.

[pgardn]

It's not a call to action it is stating the obvious. The US is on the decline and China is on the rise. You are an idiot if you don't see it. They just launched a hypersonic ICBM that went all the way around the world which then launched another hypersonic glide missile...the US isn't even close to their technology and that just one small example. All those STEM kids are growing up and kicking our ass.

We have actually received a very large number of their STEM kids because, well one recent example.
Their scientists working on viruses common in bats sounds an alarm and then she gets shut down and the facility she works at no longer has access to other scientists around the world for consultation because... China wont let us have what we want. Which is trying to determine how a virus got so out of control. People who are in science dont do so well under governments who mix politics with science.

Are you getting this Trumptards?

Trofim Lysenko

copy paste this name and read.
There are many more.

[pgardn]

its actually Japan but nobody talks about that for some reason :lol

I will.
This makes it even more important that Japan is allowed to trade without being harassed in shipping lanes to SE Asia and such.
Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, all it the top 10 trading partners with US. We must use international water that China claims is theirs. And we do.
This is one thing Trump got right about China. But. calling Covid, the Chyna virus, was not exceptional helpful in relations that include trade and actual access to the info that might help us determine the winding pathway of the Covid virus. This part, Trump got terribly wrong... like so much else.

So lets bring back the orange glow to our country. Trump derangement syndrome they say, yet team red are going to put up guys like DeInsanitus who ride on that orange coat tail... So many others as well.

Major thread rerouting complete.

[DMC]

Cool, even more traffic on 79. Can't wait.

I'd like to see the breakdown of costs for toolsets. I'd bet the photolithography tools are the heavy hitters, upwards of 40m each and that was over a decade ago.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSeb_WiWUAEdFhh?format=jpg&name=small

[SnakeBoy]

Chang reiterated the point in April, explaining that "Taiwan has cewtain competitive stwenghts in semiconductow manufactuwing. Those stwengths awe..armost entiwiry peopre werated-tarent werated"

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[ElNono]

^ racist

[ChumpDumper]

Chang reiterated the point in April, explaining that "Taiwan has cewtain competitive stwenghts in semiconductow manufactuwing. Those stwengths awe..armost entiwiry peopre werated-tarent werated"

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Jesus Christ are you 90?

^ racist
So racist.

[Winehole23]

lol showed his ass

[DarrinS]

Chang reiterated the point in April, explaining that "Taiwan has cewtain competitive stwenghts in semiconductow manufactuwing. Those stwengths awe..armost entiwiry peopre werated-tarent werated"

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:lmao

[Winehole23]

“If I offended anybody, I apologize... To say I’m a racist against Asians is crazy, It’s probably [someone] just trying to start trouble... I’m an idiot prankster. I said a joke. It was a 70-30 joke. Seventy percent of people thought it was funny, 30 didn’t. At times I try to be a comedian. Sometimes I say good jokes, sometimes I say bad jokes. If I hurt anybody’s feelings, I apologize.”

[Winehole23]

"Tell Yao Ming, ‘Ching-chong-yang-wah-ah-soh,’ ”

[ElNono]

Cue the "ror" from the usual crowd...

[DMC]

Who knew STEM degrees were important? Here I thought Queer and Gender Studies was the next big gold rush.

[Winehole23]

Who knew STEM degrees were important? Here I thought Queer and Gender Studies was the next big gold rush.quite the hangup you've got there

[DMC]

quite the hangup you've got there

How that hospitality certificate going?

[baseline bum]

Cue the "ror" from the usual crowd...

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