Zach Collins Malibu Beach House

[Atl Spur]

When..yes when he gets back, him and Poeltl will have a twin towers effect for us! Defense will be back again :) !

[KingKev]

https://images.app.goo.gl/qe7WrVfZgxRfNzUT7

[Atl Spur]

https://images.app.goo.gl/qe7WrVfZgxRfNzUT7

Exactly!

[playbonner15]

Will this dude even play this season? :lol I mean even Jock and Cacoks are having a hard time getting some burn

[Atl Spur]

I believe he will surprise a lot of people this year.....

[Proxy]

forgot about him tbh, gonna go back to forgetting about him

[EasyMoney]

Will this dude even play this season? :lol I mean even Jock and Cacoks are having a hard time getting some burn


He might when they buyout thaddeus. Or they will throw him in the g league so he can get his conditioning up and get the reps in

[sananspursfan21]

The tank will be over boys.

[sananspursfan21]

The tank will be over boys.

[4lifecowboy]

With this 3 game winning streak, the tank is already over.

[slick'81]

Theres a chance if he's healthy he can be an asset, and push ewwbanks further down the bench

[Atl Spur]

You guys are under selling this kid; if healthy he can make our defense sick! Him and poodle= no shot zone

[Atl Spur]

This will be fun to watch ( our team choke teams out ) in a few months!

[Ice009]

When is he due to be back on the court?

[Atl Spur]

It’s been reported that he’ll be back after Christmas.

[rjv]

yeah, he supposedly started some on-court work towards the end of November.

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/basketball/nba/player/30436/zach-collins

[Ocotillo]

When this guy does step into a live game again, I will be shocked if he does not look horrible. I think a healthy Collins will/can be an asset but he hasn't played in years and he is on a new team. There is more rust than steel.

[Atl Spur]

When this guy does step into a live game again, I will be shocked if he does not look horrible. I think a healthy Collins will/can be an asset but he hasn't played in years and he is on a new team. There is more rust than steel.

You may be right but I don’t think so. He plays with fire and is skilled! Zollins will deliver!

[BackHome]

As conservative as Spurs are I would be shocked if he plays in December- Plus why would he get playing time over out Aussie who has been healthy and practicing with the team from start of training camp?

[Atl Spur]

As conservative as Spurs are I would be shocked if he plays in December- Plus why would he get playing time over out Aussie who has been healthy and practicing with the team from start of training camp?

We shall see. I’m just assuming because Zach is the better overall player in my opinion.

[KingKev]

I would expect to see him late Jan / early Feb. Shouldn’t be hard for him to leap frog Eubanks/Landale by April if he is remotely serviceable.

[rjv]

at this point, i'd like to see what collins is capable of. eubanks has peaked and there is just not a lot there with him. and last night's loss to the suns was really more of a product of our lack of serviceable bigs.

[John B]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes to Austin to get in game shape, like Klay Thompson is with their G League. As few games I’ve watched him play, Zach has more dog than Poeltl, nit to mention offensive skills. Yup he be somebody we need soon, and maybe end this Eubank experiment.

[KingKev]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes to Austin to get in game shape, like Klay Thompson is with their G League. As few games I’ve watched him play, Zach has more dog than Poeltl, nit to mention offensive skills. Yup he be somebody we need soon, and maybe end this Eubank experiment.

That’s a great point regarding Austin. Makes alot of sense for him to ease into game shape on a nightly and will give Primo an NBA level running mate to hone his playmaking skills.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1478870632360251393

[BatManu20]

Sounds like he’ll be back soon. He’s going to hinder the tank isn’t he, smh.

[Robz4000]

Sounds like he’ll be back soon. He’s going to hinder the tank isn’t he, smh.

Eh, he'll be injured again after 5 games so who cares.

[tbdog]

Looking forward to see what momentum he'll have. We need a 4, desperately. And if we draft a 4, they'll need some buttering.

[emanueldavidginobili]

If he's anything like he was when healthy in Portland that would be huge. He's exactly the type of player this team desperately needs right now.

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[TD 21]

:lmao Granted, he was only 20-22 and played just 2691 minutes, but Collins wasn't good with the Trail Blazers and he can't play the four.

Their trying to shoehorn him into it at times was a product of roster construction. It's also foolish to think he hasn't permanently lost athleticism/mobility.

[daslicer]

Eh, he'll be injured again after 5 games so who cares.

:lol I have to laugh at this because it will probably happen.

[Atl Spur]

:lmao Granted, he was only 20-22 and played just 2691 minutes, but Collins wasn't good with the Trail Blazers and he can't play the four.

Their trying to shoehorn him into it at times was a product of roster construction. It's also foolish to think he hasn't permanently lost athleticism/mobility.

Lol……..are you insane?

[Atl Spur]

Eh, he'll be injured again after 5 games so who cares.

Or maybe he won’t……. We shall see Nostradamus

[KingKev]

DJ has been getting Jak some easy buckets in the PnR this year. Zollins is a pretty big wild card given injury history but if he showed signs of a nice touch around the basket, 3 pt range and ability to finish when healthy. Half of this board gets wet when Jok enters the game, surprised they aren’t the least bit excited to see if Zollins can resume his career.

[exstatic]

DJ has been getting Jak some easy buckets in the PnR this year. Zollins is a pretty big wild card given injury history but if he showed signs of a nice touch around the basket, 3 pt range and ability to finish when healthy. Half of this board gets wet when Jok enters the game, surprised they aren’t the least bit excited to see if Zollins can resume his career.

On top of that, he had one of the best def FG% at the rim one of his more complete seasons.

[John B]

If he's anything like he was when healthy in Portland that would be huge. He's exactly the type of player this team desperately needs right now.

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Spurs need that swagger (plus of course his shooting and defense). But that attitude is what this team lacks sometimes. Only DJM shows that much fight

[BackHome]

Pop would bench him for part of the season for not backing down from confrontation on the court. Pop can’t stand players who show any emotion on the court that is why he loved KY.

[exstatic]

Pop would bench him for part of the season for not backing down from confrontation on the court. Pop can’t stand players who show any emotion on the court that is why he loved KY.

Truth. It’s not emotion, though, because Keldon does that all game, every game. It’s confrontation. I would think Zollins would have figured that our already, being around the team since August.

[Atl Spur]

We’ve had players that run a little hot over the years as long as it isn’t hurting the team……. Zach will be fine standing up for himself.

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We’ve had players that run a little hot over the years as long as it isn’t hurting the team……. Zach will be fine standing up for himself.

If by fine you mean sitting on the bench, then we agree. Pop basically castrated Davis Bertans, and then sat him on the bench for a month the couple of times he "ran a little hot."

[mo7888]

Zach 'running a little hot' should be the least of anyone's concern here...

[ginobilized]

The Spurs have had many 'enforcers' over the years.
Pop likes tough players who play hard.

I hope we get to see what Collins brings soon.

[exstatic]

The Spurs have had many 'enforcers' over the years.
Pop likes tough players who play hard.

I hope we get to see what Collins brings soon.

The latest quote I saw from Pop was that he was basically healed, but needed some 3 on 3, and 5 on 5 before he takes the court, and covid is making that difficult.

[Atl Spur]

Zach 'running a little hot' should be the least of anyone's concern here...

Agreed!

[Russ]

Zach Collins could be the most important acquisition of an already fairly nice offseason.

Or he could be a complete bust (likely due to injury).

This is the type of high-upside low-risk move that the Spurs have had to make, of necessity, for decades. When they work the Spurs are hailed as prescient. When they don't they're quickly forgotten (they being not only the moves but the Spurs, themselves).

Collins has the potential to be the straw that stirs or . . .

[cd98]

Stephen Jackson sure never showed confrontation...oh wait.

[TD 21]

Lol……..are you insane?

? :lmao PATFO apologist and Collins fan boy.

[GAustex]

A few years ago I wondered why Zach did not do more in Portland.
So ballyhooed yet not much to back it up.
Big guys take a while so …

[objective]

Running hot?

Based on his history, I'd settle for just running.

[KingKev]

Stephen Jackson sure never showed confrontation...oh wait.

Top 25 Spur of all time.

[Atl Spur]

? :lmao PATFO apologist and Collins fan boy.

Nah….we just use a different grading curve

[wildbill2u]

If the Spurs ever have an opportunity to bring a player back from injury, the Covid depletion of the roster is it. Been a long vacation, but WTF can it hurt at this point if they give him some burn.

[Rocalcio]

I'm curious to see what he can bring but I already like his attitude on the bench, supporting and cheering the guys. You can tell this guys shows emotions and that would definitely not hurt the team. I'm really rooting for him.

[Atl Spur]

I'm curious to see what he can bring but I already like his attitude on the bench, supporting and cheering the guys. You can tell this guys shows emotions and that would definitely not hurt the team. I'm really rooting for him.

Me too!

[BackHome]

Sorry, but this kid hasn’t played a professional game since August 15th, 2020, because of experiencing his second broken ankle. Before that he tore up his shoulder which required surgery Which put him out for that season. Both of these injuries lend itself to happen again so I would be shocked if he gets any meaningful minutes this season

[Atl Spur]

Sorry, but this kid hasn’t played a professional game since August 15th, 2020, because of experiencing his second broken ankle. Before that he tore up his shoulder which required surgery Which put him out for that season. Both of these injuries lend itself to happen again so I would be shocked if he gets any meaningful minutes this season

We shall see….

[Atl Spur]

He’s getting there……

[Atl Spur]

I’ll keep this store open for some pats on the back���������� lots of people have amnesia on this board.

[spurs1990]

Judging the by the boxscore this man Collins is the cause of euabnks being banished to the nether regions. Will make a Spurs game exponentially more watchable the rest of the season

[Dverde]

Judging the by the boxscore this man Collins is the cause of euabnks being banished to the nether regions. Will make a Spurs game exponentially more watchable the rest of the season

This was Pop’s first game coaching him. He’ll probably screw up plays and piss off the old man then here comes Eubanks off the bench. I still think Eubanks is a pet project for Pop that he keeps around at least another year.

[KingKev]

This was Pop’s first game coaching him. He’ll probably screw up plays and piss off the old man then here comes Eubanks off the bench. I still think Eubanks is a pet project for Pop that he keeps around at least another year.

Eubanks is lowest on the totem pole if we need to cut a player to clear roster space. Next year's 1.8mm is fully guaranteed so shouldn’t feel too bad sending him on his way.

[Atl Spur]

Poodle, Collins , Landale works

[John B]

Poodle, Collins , Landale works

All young and I think everybody’s still improving too

[8FOR!3]

Poodle, Collins , Landale works

Agreed but they're all so good they should all be playing. Wonder if Collins will be able to play the 4 some.

[John B]

Zollins' ability to be healthy will help a lot but not an answer, yet. I still think they should get Collins and possibly Turner.

Murray, Primo, Keldon, Collins and Turner would be intriguing.
Tre, FRP (Ivey), Devin, McD, Landale

The rest can go.

[Atl Spur]

I really can envision that Collins / Poodle line up next year! If poodle keeps playing like last night, look out!!!!

[talkspurs]

Dont get why people are so high on him. Even pre injury he was not great. I realize he just came back but dont think he will be much now either. would much be spending a little more and have either bamba or smith this summer.

[exstatic]

Dont get why people are so high on him. Even pre injury he was not great. I realize he just came back but dont think he will be much now either. would much be spending a little more and have either bamba or smith this summer.

He was scheduled to be Portlands starting PF for 2020-2021. He was injured in the Bubble. He’s an agile, mobile big who can defend the rim and shoot the three.

I like Jalen Smith, but why does it have to be one or the other? Do we have some secret abundance of bigs that no one knows about?

[Atl Spur]

I actually think our bigs are a strength ; once Zach gets right we will get a good idea.

[Atl Spur]

Btw Jock can play

[talkspurs]

He was scheduled to be Portlands starting PF for 2020-2021. He was injured in the Bubble. He’s an agile, mobile big who can defend the rim and shoot the three.

I like Jalen Smith, but why does it have to be one or the other? Do we have some secret abundance of bigs that no one knows about?

Scheduled and had played it previously but he has never done much for them. He also is probably not a PF in todays league. He may have come out as that but he would need to get much better to play that in order to get a big enough mismatch to make up for a more permitted oriented player.

I think he will be here next year so you would be looking at 3rd center unless one of them can play PF or Poeltl is traded. dont think Poeltl is traded. It would be more likely that Smith plays PF.

[Atl Spur]

Collins is plenty agile and skilled enough…..what player are you watching homie?

[objective]

I haven't seen anything that makes me think he's better than replacement level yet. Early in his recovery sure, but he's been a skinny Eubanks who really wants to play at being a Jokic type passer

[Atl Spur]

That dudes footwork and IQ jump off the screen, his mechanics got to catch up. His desire is obvious and willingness to mix it up is a+. Next year if his body holds up you will see a different monster. Pop held him out on purpose…..so the loss would be imminent.

[MannyIsGod]

I like the way he moves, but wish he had better touch around the rim. I also wish he was a better leaper. I'm willing for the Spurs to give him another year to try to be productive, but they should 100% try to go out and sign another someone to compete for the backup role for him this offseason.

[Atl Spur]

I like the way he moves, but wish he had better touch around the rim. I also wish he was a better leaper. I'm willing for the Spurs to give him another year to try to be productive, but they should 100% try to go out and sign another someone to compete for the backup role for him this offseason.

We will see the better version of Zach as the reps increase, the dudes been out a long time.

Check out the YouTube video of him moving his feet a few years back........Zach Collins v. Grizzlies 7.31.20

[Chinook]

I've yet to come around to being a fan of his or think that the Spurs should have committed to two years of him at that salary. Yes, I know his contract is only half guaranteed, but that only means the marginal savings for cutting him is so low that they probably won't do so. He's probably been the worst center on the team this year, and while there's hope he get's better: A) He's always been a bad player, even during his best stretches -- this isn't a matter of just returning to form; B) That's hopefully true of any old prospect center -- the team can and should look to bringing in a real prospect and/or a real rotation center and not give Collins the developmental priority he's honestly not earning right now.

The Spurs can stretch Collins to drastically reduce his cap hit this summer, and that's a key to the team doing any big acquisition. Of course, that would just continue the team's annoying tradition of carrying loads of dead money for the last several seasons. It would be a mildly painful exit to a self-inflicted situation.

[Robz4000]

I've yet to come around to being a fan of his or think that the Spurs should have committed to two years of him at that salary. Yes, I know his contract is only half guaranteed, but that only means the marginal savings for cutting him is so low that they probably won't do so. He's probably been the worst center on the team this year, and while there's hope he get's better: A) He's always been a bad player, even during his best stretches -- this isn't a matter of just returning to form; B) That's hopefully true of any old prospect center -- the team can and should look to bringing in a real prospect and/or a real rotation center and not give Collins the developmental priority he's honestly not earning right now.

The Spurs can stretch Collins to drastically reduce his cap hit this summer, and that's a key to the team doing any big acquisition. Of course, that would just continue the team's annoying tradition of carrying loads of dead money for the last several seasons. It would be a mildly painful exit to a self-inflicted situation.

:lol people think because he was drafted in the top 10 he has some kinda hidden potential still waiting to be unlocked. He is what he is tbh.

[Atl Spur]

I've yet to come around to being a fan of his or think that the Spurs should have committed to two years of him at that salary. Yes, I know his contract is only half guaranteed, but that only means the marginal savings for cutting him is so low that they probably won't do so. He's probably been the worst center on the team this year, and while there's hope he get's better: A) He's always been a bad player, even during his best stretches -- this isn't a matter of just returning to form; B) That's hopefully true of any old prospect center -- the team can and should look to bringing in a real prospect and/or a real rotation center and not give Collins the developmental priority he's honestly not earning right now.

The Spurs can stretch Collins to drastically reduce his cap hit this summer, and that's a key to the team doing any big acquisition. Of course, that would just continue the team's annoying tradition of carrying loads of dead money for the last several seasons. It would be a mildly painful exit to a self-inflicted situation.

I’ll stay on this Titanic….. he’s my boy blue!

[Ice009]

Yeah, no, this hope you have for a bench player is a bit over the top to say the least. I don't think he's a starter let alone the player you're hyping him up to be.

[Atl Spur]

Lol……this will age well!

[rankingtear]

I've yet to come around to being a fan of his or think that the Spurs should have committed to two years of him at that salary. Yes, I know his contract is only half guaranteed, but that only means the marginal savings for cutting him is so low that they probably won't do so. He's probably been the worst center on the team this year, and while there's hope he get's better: A) He's always been a bad player, even during his best stretches -- this isn't a matter of just returning to form; B) That's hopefully true of any old prospect center -- the team can and should look to bringing in a real prospect and/or a real rotation center and not give Collins the developmental priority he's honestly not earning right now.

The Spurs can stretch Collins to drastically reduce his cap hit this summer, and that's a key to the team doing any big acquisition. Of course, that would just continue the team's annoying tradition of carrying loads of dead money for the last several seasons. It would be a mildly painful exit to a self-inflicted situation.

He is not the worst if you actually watch Landale's defense. Jock is being hunted now.

[Atl Spur]

I make a habit to just sit back and watch:) Give the man some time��

[Fireball]

I want Landale back in the rotation ... Collins reached his peak in his first game back ... trainwreck since then ...

[KingKev]

I've yet to come around to being a fan of his or think that the Spurs should have committed to two years of him at that salary. Yes, I know his contract is only half guaranteed, but that only means the marginal savings for cutting him is so low that they probably won't do so. He's probably been the worst center on the team this year, and while there's hope he get's better: A) He's always been a bad player, even during his best stretches -- this isn't a matter of just returning to form; B) That's hopefully true of any old prospect center -- the team can and should look to bringing in a real prospect and/or a real rotation center and not give Collins the developmental priority he's honestly not earning right now.

The Spurs can stretch Collins to drastically reduce his cap hit this summer, and that's a key to the team doing any big acquisition. Of course, that would just continue the team's annoying tradition of carrying loads of dead money for the last several seasons. It would be a mildly painful exit to a self-inflicted situation.

I believe only 3mm is guaranteed. Really not a big deal to waive him.

[timtonymanu]

Zollins sucks and always has. I know Atl is on his high horse because he believed in Primo while most of us didn’t. But tbh the spurs could sign udonis Haslem tomorrow and Atl will start making claims that Haslem is the best PF we have since Timmy. Ima let Atl be the homer he is though. We desperately need some depth

[Atl Spur]

Zollins sucks and always has. I know Atl is on his high horse because he believed in Primo while most of us didn’t. But tbh the spurs could sign udonis Haslem tomorrow and Atl will start making claims that Haslem is the best PF we have since Timmy. Ima let Atl be the homer he is though. We desperately need some depth

Lol. Yeah because I believe in all of our players………don’t I? BTW it’s a trick question:)

[Atl Spur]

Collins will be a ok as long as he stays healthy:) I’ll keep this thread alive long enough to see TTM admit he was wrong:)

[KingKev]

Zollins sucks and always has. I know Atl is on his high horse because he believed in Primo while most of us didn’t. But tbh the spurs could sign udonis Haslem tomorrow and Atl will start making claims that Haslem is the best PF we have since Timmy. Ima let Atl be the homer he is though. We desperately need some depth

Tomas Satoransky was supposed to “stabilize the bench”

We need talent. Fielding 10-15 solid role players isn’t going to cut it.

[timtonymanu]

Collins will be a ok as long as he stays healthy:) I’ll keep this thread alive long enough to see TTM admit he was wrong:)

Still waiting to see how Zollins is supposedly the next best big ever on the team other than Duncan and DRob. But what should I expect from someone who’s probably on the same spectrum as Kawhi mentally?

[TDomination]

i don't like what i've seen so far with Collins but i'll definitely give him more time.
I feel like i'll be able to form a better opinion halfway through next season, hopefully he's able to stay healthy throughout.

[Atl Spur]

Tomas Satoransky was supposed to “stabilize the bench”

We need talent. Fielding 10-15 solid role players isn’t going to cut it.

Was that a question or statement I made??? Look at you trying to be cute��

[Atl Spur]

i don't like what i've seen so far with Collins but i'll definitely give him more time.
I feel like i'll be able to form a better opinion halfway through next season, hopefully he's able to stay healthy throughout.

You sir are a rational person…..

[Atl Spur]

Still waiting to see how Zollins is supposedly the next best big ever on the team other than Duncan and DRob. But what should I expect from someone who’s probably on the same spectrum as Kawhi mentally?

Give it some time my guy. I won’t name call with you�� Please just revisit this thread and apologize when the time is right ok? Just couldn’t help yourself ������

[Leetonidas]

Dude moves like he's running in quicksand. He's lost too much agility to ever be a rotational player again imo.

[John B]

Give the guy a break. He’s only been playing a few weeks after two years of no basketball, and to be ba playing against the best in the world. Dude was scrambling and diving for 50/50 balls. He’s a scrappy player with a lot of swagger. He just needs time.

[KingKev]

He never was going to be the saviour but still has the tools to be a solid backup big. We have 20 games left to evaluate him and make a decision in guaranteeing next year. This year is lost play-in or not, but evaluating talent is key. If he really sh!ts the bed we can waive him and cut him a cheque for 3mm. Pennies for a team who has been paying 10-20% of their cap space to guys to play for other teams in recent years.

[Atl Spur]

Give the guy a break. He’s only been playing a few weeks after two years of no basketball, and to be ba playing against the best in the world. Dude was scrambling and diving for 50/50 balls. He’s a scrappy player with a lot of swagger. He just needs time.

So my tv is working! These boys act like this man has no skills�� He’s been away for TWO years people!!

[rjv]

Zollins was awful last night, in every aspect, and it was his worst outing of the season. I'm not sure what my expectations for him were but I'm hoping that last night was an aberration and not the start of a pattern.

[John B]

Dude got 6/5/1 in 15 minutes of showing. What else do you want? :lol

His pump and under to earn free throw. He dived for a loose ball. I mean really people

[Chinook]

I believe only 3mm is guaranteed. Really not a big deal to waive him.

His contract is half-guaranteed, meaning the marginal cost of keeping him is $3.5 Million. For a prospect, that's probably enough money to keep him. The issue is that he's being paid $7 Million, and that's not nearly as good of a deal overall. I think the Spurs would probably waive him if he was fully non-guaranteed, but since they believed in him enough to give him the contract in the first place, they're not willing to waive him to save so little. The second part was saying that IF the Spurs needed to waive Collins, they could do so in a way that saves a ton of cap space. The logic behind keeping him doesn't change, but if a big fish needed cap space, cutting Collins could be a key part of getting that space.

[Chinook]

I also don't think the Spurs SHOULD waive him -- there are just conditions where it makes sense. My point is that I haven't really seen much good from him to think signing him was a good deal. If they believe in him, obviously they should still keep him.

[KingKev]

His contract is half-guaranteed, meaning the marginal cost of keeping him is $3.5 Million. For a prospect, that's probably enough money to keep him. The issue is that he's being paid $7 Million, and that's not nearly as good of a deal overall. I think the Spurs would probably waive him if he was fully non-guaranteed, but since they believed in him enough to give him the contract in the first place, they're not willing to waive him to save so little. The second part was saying that IF the Spurs needed to waive Collins, they could do so in a way that saves a ton of cap space. The logic behind keeping him doesn't change, but if a big fish needed cap space, cutting Collins could be a key part of getting that space.

Waiving him saves 3.5mm. Not really significant. He is guaranteed come draft day so he isn’t great for clearing immediate cap space for anyone. He might be a trade chip at the trade deadline in 2023 though, otherwise expect him to be part of the 22-23 roster.

[Chinook]

Waiving him saves 3.5mm. Not really significant. He is guaranteed come draft day so he isn’t great for clearing immediate cap space for anyone. He might be a trade chip at the trade deadline in 2023 though, otherwise expect him to be part of the 22-23 roster.

Waiving and stretching Collins reduces his cap number by literally 90 percent (from $7 Million to $700k). It's certainly worth doing for the right signing. But that guarantee date definitely matters. It's bonkers that they gave him such a generous date given how much money they guaranteed. It increases the chances he makes the team, though there's still a chance that the Spurs either get a sense they'll be able to make a big signing or find a potential trade for which they'd need the cap space.

[TD 21]

:lol people think because he was drafted in the top 10 he has some kinda hidden potential still waiting to be unlocked. He is what he is tbh.


i don't like what i've seen so far with Collins but i'll definitely give him more time.
I feel like i'll be able to form a better opinion halfway through next season, hopefully he's able to stay healthy throughout.

If not for quote 1, I'd be more amendable to quote 2 (plus the fact that's he's highly unlikely to ever fully regain 100% of his athleticism/mobility).

But yeah, they were always more than likely to view him as a 2 year project before making a determination.

[Kurik]

Just showing some love, I think tonight was the best game overall for Collins considering the matchup.

[Atl Spur]

Just showing some love, I think tonight was the best game overall for Collins considering the matchup.

We appreciate you :) Zach will keep getting better.

[John B]

Zollins is starting to become a solid backup big. And once he got stronger and hopefully better with Spurs trainers working on him, I have no doubt he could be a starter. I like the way he position himself on defense, not necessarily swatting the ball, but outstretching his arms vertically to create a wall, it’s a textbook Pop defense. He pushes Jokic out if position and doesn’t really give in easily. He dives for that 50/50 at one point. Zach will work hard to get better.

[Spurs Homer]

That makes two players who should really improve this off-season…

tre jones 3 pt range…

zach collins continuing his rehab to get his body back closer to his pre-injury days

those games where he got pushed around inside and had his shots blocked by smaller guys was mostly due to him not having his original physical ability

i remember him in portland jumping a lot higher- hope most of that returns as he rehabs this summer

[cjw]

This contract is turning out to be a steal. Since his minutes got bumped to about 20 a game (3/11), he’s averaging 10.0/6.0/2.6 on decent shooting from the field and even showing some range from three. He’s still getting his legs back under him, and he’s balled out in four of the last five games.

Most importantly, no signs of the injury flaring back up.

Two more years at $7 per … lots of teams would kill for that now.

[exstatic]

This contract is turning out to be a steal. Since his minutes got bumped to about 20 a game (3/11), he’s averaging 10.0/6.0/2.6 on decent shooting from the field and even showing some range from three. He’s still getting his legs back under him, and he’s balled out in four of the last five games.

Most importantly, no signs of the injury flaring back up.

Two more years at $7 per … lots of teams would kill for that now.

It was a brilliant piece of GMing. Spurs sign former top 10 pick big man for 3/$21M, but are only obligated for like the MLE, $10.5M.

Now, do Jalen Smith.

[couchman]

It's really fun to see Collins not only regaining confidence in his game but also progressing as a player beyond what he has done before.
The last two games may be the best two games he has played in his entire NBA career.

I thought that for most of the game against Denver Collins played the Joker better than Poeltl did.
Poeltl did have several really nice defensive possessions late in the game.

[Ocotillo]

Now, do Jalen Smith.

I’ve seen back and forth about this but is he only a 5 or can he play the 4 in the NBA?

[Rocalcio]

It was a brilliant piece of GMing. Spurs sign former top 10 pick big man for 3/$21M, but are only obligated for like the MLE, $10.5M.

Now, do Jalen Smith.

Jalen Smith is doing quite well in Indiana, I bet he will have many suitors...

[Chinook]

Collins is playing well, and the team shouldn't be thinking of waiving him to save $3.5 Million, but I wouldn't call him a steal right now. The Spurs might need his contract to make a trade and with three draft picks might end up drafting another center anyway. Duren might be BPA at their pick, and he looks about as NBA ready (for what he can do) as any pick. Could see Duren and Jones forming a very good bench pairing next year. This off-season is so wide open for the team. There are scenarios where Collins might end up as the opening-day starter, or he could be stretched. Hopefully, the Spurs get a good performance out of these next few games.

[exstatic]

Jalen Smith is doing quite well in Indiana, I bet he will have many suitors...

Teams with cap space this summer > MLE:

SA
OKC
IND
ORL
POR


Well, Indy is hamstrung by the same rules as Phoenix was, since they acquired his contract, so they can’t pay him more than $4.7M. Portland has the lowest available at $19M. The other three are hard tankers. We just threw 3/$21M at a guy with screws in his foot. Throw a bag slightly over MLE at him, and cut out every other team, say 3/$33. Just to head off the HE MIGHT SIGN WITH A CONTENDER FOR LESS crowd, being on a contender in Phoenix is what stunted his development and playing time, and he’s 22, and probably won’t be likely to take a discount. SA can pay him as much as anyone, and we are the premier development program in the league.

[exstatic]

Collins is playing well, and the team shouldn't be thinking of waiving him to save $3.5 Million, but I wouldn't call him a steal right now. The Spurs might need his contract to make a trade and with three draft picks might end up drafting another center anyway. Duren might be BPA at their pick, and he looks about as NBA ready (for what he can do) as any pick. Could see Duren and Jones forming a very good bench pairing next year. This off-season is so wide open for the team. There are scenarios where Collins might end up as the opening-day starter, or he could be stretched. Hopefully, the Spurs get a good performance out of these next few games.

There are a lot options, but I doubt they ever feel the need to stretch his guaranteed $3.5M.

[Chinook]

There are a lot options, but I doubt they ever feel the need to stretch his guaranteed $3.5M.

The Spurs can basically turn his $7-Million cap hit into a $700k dead-money hit. That is a critical amount of cap savings. If the Spurs want to try to bring in some big names this off-season, they might need it. It's also possible that Collins has played his way to buoyancy in terms of his deal and can be traded as ballast. They won't have a lot of time to figure it out for sure, but they might well target trades during the draft and realize they need to get a max slot open for the start of free agency. They can't get one at this point without shedding another mid-sized contract like Collins. (And yes, I am counting on them renouncing Lonnie already).

[rjv]

Collins is playing well, and the team shouldn't be thinking of waiving him to save $3.5 Million, but I wouldn't call him a steal right now. The Spurs might need his contract to make a trade and with three draft picks might end up drafting another center anyway. Duren might be BPA at their pick, and he looks about as NBA ready (for what he can do) as any pick. Could see Duren and Jones forming a very good bench pairing next year. This off-season is so wide open for the team. There are scenarios where Collins might end up as the opening-day starter, or he could be stretched. Hopefully, the Spurs get a good performance out of these next few games.

when i saw tre throw that lob up for jakob last night, my mind immediately flashed forward to the potential dynamic that a PG like tre could have with a big like duren.

[XDT76]

I’ve seen back and forth about this but is he only a 5 or can he play the 4 in the NBA?

He is playing ard 1/3 of the time as a PF, he probably could not play it there permanently. The good thing is he can provide some flexibility by being able to play the 4 and 5.

[Atl Spur]

This was a good risk/reward deal from the jump….. not rocket science:)

[Ariel]

Well, Indy is hamstrung by the same rules as Phoenix was, since they acquired his contract, so they can’t pay him more than $4.7M. Portland has the lowest available at $19M. The other three are hard tankers. We just threw 3/$21M at a guy with screws in his foot. Throw a bag slightly over MLE at him, and cut out every other team, say 3/$33. Just to head off the HE MIGHT SIGN WITH A CONTENDER FOR LESS crowd, being on a contender in Phoenix is what stunted his development and playing time, and he’s 22, and probably won’t be likely to take a discount. SA can pay him as much as anyone, and we are the premier development program in the league.
Zach Collins' contract is partially guaranteed, so that $21M figure is misleading. But I agree that Jalen Smith would be a VERY interesting FA target, because he's young, promising, at a position of need, and the short list of potential competitors would make this quite likely if they went for it. He'd be kind of a free extra high lottery pick.
The other scenario would be to go after DeAndre Ayton, which would be VERY costly and also UNLIKELY to get him since he's restricted, but with Sarver you never know. But he'd command a max contract, so even if it could be done, it'd require DA to develop significantly in order to be worthy of such numbers.
Given the emphasis on putting a competitive team now, it's likely the FO may be targeting a significant FA or trade sooner rather than later, so they might be on the radar.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Collins looked good last night. He actually was defending the Joker a little better than Poeltl, it appeared to me. Give him some time to get some confidence back in his three point shot and he could be a great backup forward/center for this group.

[mo7888]

Teams with cap space this summer > MLE:

SA
OKC
IND
ORL
POR


Well, Indy is hamstrung by the same rules as Phoenix was, since they acquired his contract, so they can’t pay him more than $4.7M. Portland has the lowest available at $19M. The other three are hard tankers. We just threw 3/$21M at a guy with screws in his foot. Throw a bag slightly over MLE at him, and cut out every other team, say 3/$33. Just to head off the HE MIGHT SIGN WITH A CONTENDER FOR LESS crowd, being on a contender in Phoenix is what stunted his development and playing time, and he’s 22, and probably won’t be likely to take a discount. SA can pay him as much as anyone, and we are the premier development program in the league.

Detroit too?

[GAustex]

Do not overpay for run of the mill Zollins
He can easily be replaced

[Uriel]

With Poeltl likely to be traded, is Collins destined to become the starter at center?

[slick'81]

With Poeltl likely to be traded, is Collins destined to become the starter at center?


yes?!

[AFBlue]

Do not overpay for run of the mill Zollins
He can easily be replaced

You're an idiot. Zollins is a beast. On the upswing.

[GAustex]

Zollins is a mid level bench big
He is good at the current salary
You lack intelligence if you cannot see he is nothing but a back up

[exstatic]

Zollins is a mid level bench big
He is good at the current salary
You lack intelligence if you cannot see he is nothing but a back up

Zollins is Poeltl, minus the shooting and FT warts.

[jjspur]

Zollins is a mid level bench big
He is good at the current salary
You lack intelligence if you cannot see he is nothing but a back up

Completely agree. Zollins is a very good back up center - when healthy. His salary is just fine for what he provides - when healthy.

[KingKev]

Completely agree. Zollins is a very good back up center - when healthy. His salary is just fine for what he provides - when healthy.

I’d say it is pre-mature to say what he is or isn’t. Let’s give him another half a season, healthy and acclimated and he may surprise.

[rjv]

I’d say it is pre-mature to say what he is or isn’t. Let’s give him another half a season, healthy and acclimated and he may surprise.

A half a season? That kind of sample size is the ST equivalent to a billion light years away. We prefer basing a player's value on a half a game in this neck of the woods.

[The Truth #6]

Zollins and Dieng are good affordable options for us. Both can shoot and neither should be a glaring Forbes-level problem. Sochan might get some time at center too, especially if we’re going small with Keldon at the 4 again. Hard to predict.

[KingKev]

Zollins and Dieng are good affordable options for us. Both can shoot and neither should be a glaring Forbes-level problem. Sochan might get some time at center too, especially if we’re going small with Keldon at the 4 again. Hard to predict.

Zollins/Sochan/Keldon could be an exciting front line matchup dependent but I think PATFO firmly view Keldon as a 4.

[The Truth #6]

Lamentablemente, sí.

[Atl Spur]

You're an idiot. Zollins is a beast. On the upswing.

My daughter ( gaustex ) is on medication…….please ignore her! She is not well……

[exstatic]

Zollins and Dieng are good affordable options for us. Both can shoot and neither should be a glaring Forbes-level problem. Sochan might get some time at center too, especially if we’re going small with Keldon at the 4 again. Hard to predict.

One of the reasons they targeted Zollins was that in his second year, he was in like the top 3-5 for OPP FG% at the rim. Not only is he not a liability, he's pretty damn good.

[Rocalcio]

Zollins/Sochan/Keldon could be an exciting front line matchup dependent but I think PATFO firmly view Keldon as a 4.

I Hope not, and I don’t think so. Otherwise they wouldn’t have drafted Sochan.

[KingKev]

I Hope not, and I don’t think so. Otherwise they wouldn’t have drafted Sochan.

I have a funny feeling he’s going to be getting more time at the 5, especially if we move Jak. I’m not hoping for it, but it’s just a very PATFO thing to do these days.

[Atl Spur]

Zollins, Sochan ,keldon, devin, primo
Tre langford kbd robi dieng

* if we trade poodle and co…

[J_Paco]

Zollins, Sochan ,keldon, devin, primo
Tre langford kbd robi dieng

* if we trade poodle and co…

Primo hasn't shown enough as a creator/playmaker to start over Jones, IMO.

Langford (if he makes the final cut), Bates-Diop & Roby can all play down a spot making room for either or both of Blake and Branham.

[John B]

I think Zollins will play the starting C position once Spurs moved Poeltl, with Dieng as backup and even Sochan at times, and maybe some stints from Barlow here and there. It’s a great opportunity for Zollins to earn his contract after next year, but I’m hoping that Barlow could give him a run for his money at the starting Center as early as next season.

[exstatic]

I think Zollins will play the starting C position once Spurs moved Poeltl, with Dieng as backup and even Sochan at times, and maybe some stints from Barlow here and there. It’s a great opportunity for Zollins to earn his contract after next year, but I’m hoping that Barlow could give him a run for his money at the starting Center as early as next season.

I can’t remember a 2way sticking on the roster, long term, let alone becoming a Spurs starter.

[John B]

I can’t remember a 2way sticking on the roster, long term, let alone becoming a Spurs starter.

I have high hopes on Barlow. He seems to me not a typical undrafted player. Imo he should’ve very well deserved an early-second round. It’s a mystery especially playing well at the Combine scrimmage, tall mobile, athletic who can hit from outside, and at only 19! Spurs are getting him very early and could pay big dividends.

[talkspurs]

I can’t remember a 2way sticking on the roster, long term, let alone becoming a Spurs starter.

He was before 2 way contracts but green did play in the gleauge so would be probably the closest comparison on the Spurs. I believe it started for the 17-18 season so has not been around very long.

[John B]

“I don’t think you guys have seen the best of me yet,” says Zach Collins, who for the first time in a long time enters a season healthy. “Everything feels fantastic. Definitely the best I’ve felt physically in my career.”

What can we really expect from Zollins this year? Can he eventually start and replace Poeltl at center, and at what capacity? Coming from the draft he was athletic who has good handles and could take it to the rim, while also hitting outsides. Defensively he can switch and cover perimeter as well as Jak. While I see him having more consistent motor than Jak

[KingKev]

“I don’t think you guys have seen the best of me yet,” says Zach Collins, who for the first time in a long time enters a season healthy. “Everything feels fantastic. Definitely the best I’ve felt physically in my career.”

What can we really expect from Zollins this year? Can he eventually start and replace Poeltl at center, and at what capacity? Coming from the draft he was athletic who has good handles and could take it to the rim, while also hitting outsides. Defensively he can switch and cover perimeter as well as Jak. While I see him having more consistent motor than Jak

18/10/5/3

[John B]

18/10/5/3

Dang. I’m switching my MIP candidate :lol

[KingKev]

Dang. I’m switching my MIP candidate :lol

haha i’m expecting big things from him. He does alot of things well and will probably look like a superior role player but I think he has lost most of his bounce for good unfortunately.

[Seventyniner]

I think Zollins can be a high end role player if he hits his ceiling. Not quite as good as Poeltl but a different, and in today's league probably more valuable, skillset.

[GAustex]

Jackob move way better than Zollins.
Way better defender too.
If Zollins is healing up and has something not seen that would be cool

[spurraider21]

18/10/5/3
and what about the second quarter?

[exstatic]

“I don’t think you guys have seen the best of me yet,” says Zach Collins, who for the first time in a long time enters a season healthy. “Everything feels fantastic. Definitely the best I’ve felt physically in my career.”

What can we really expect from Zollins this year? Can he eventually start and replace Poeltl at center, and at what capacity? Coming from the draft he was athletic who has good handles and could take it to the rim, while also hitting outsides. Defensively he can switch and cover perimeter as well as Jak. While I see him having more consistent motor than Jak

He’s going to be Poeltl’s replacement. He gives you 90-95% of the defense, and 100% of the offense, plus 3 pt and FT shooting.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

He’s going to be Poeltl’s replacement. He gives you 90-95% of the defense, and 100% of the offense, plus 3 pt and FT shooting.

I don’t see Zach as being nearly as good of a defender as Poeltl. Certainly better on the offensive end, but I lean more towards 75% of the defensive presence.

[Ariel]

He’s going to be Poeltl’s replacement. He gives you 90-95% of the defense, and 100% of the offense, plus 3 pt and FT shooting.
The big question is whether he'd be able to take on that role night in and night out, with extended playing time, for a full season... if he manages to stay available for reasonably long periods of time, there's no question he's a valuable piece. But that remains to be seen, and I'm not yet sold. Lets hope it is.

[scott]

For the most part we all agree that Jak is likely destined for a trade... but what about Zac? Let's say, hypothetically one of the two scenarios:

1. Jak is traded within the first two months, Zac steps in and looks 90%+ as good as Jak
2. Zac stays in a backup role but flashes the kind of traits a contender would be interested in

Shouldn't we also be considering Zac as a tradeable asset as well? In either of the two scenarios above, he's got to at least have the same or greater value as Thad did last season, no?

[KingKev]

For the most part we all agree that Jak is likely destined for a trade... but what about Zac? Let's say, hypothetically one of the two scenarios:

1. Jak is traded within the first two months, Zac steps in and looks 90%+ as good as Jak
2. Zac stays in a backup role but flashes the kind of traits a contender would be interested in

Shouldn't we also be considering Zac as a tradeable asset as well? In either of the two scenarios above, he's got to at least have the same or greater value as Thad did last season, no?

Yes. Rinse and Repeat. 2 years from now if Keldon's contract looks like a steal; sell high. Vassell same thing. What needs to change is getting a near cornerstone player or two which will only come via the draft as we are the least desirable destination in the NBA for many reasons; city, culture, frugality, upside etc.

[exstatic]

For the most part we all agree that Jak is likely destined for a trade... but what about Zac? Let's say, hypothetically one of the two scenarios:

1. Jak is traded within the first two months, Zac steps in and looks 90%+ as good as Jak
2. Zac stays in a backup role but flashes the kind of traits a contender would be interested in

Shouldn't we also be considering Zac as a tradeable asset as well? In either of the two scenarios above, he's got to at least have the same or greater value as Thad did last season, no?

Zach’s roughly two years younger, and more on the timeline. If we’re still scuffling in top 10 pick area in two years, sure, you flip him, but at some point, if you do have a star in the making,you need a team to put around him, and he’d be a good two way piece.

[exstatic]

Yes. Rinse and Repeat. 2 years from now if Keldon's contract looks like a steal; sell high. Vassell same thing. What needs to change is getting a near cornerstone player or two which will only come via the draft as we are the least desirable destination in the NBA for many reasons; city, culture, frugality, upside etc.

They didn’t flip DJ because his contract was appetizing and had 2 years left, they flipped him because he made it known that he wouldn’t extend again and would enter free agency. They couldn’t risk losing him for nothing. If Keldon is willing to extend, they may not flip him unless he brings a HUGE return.

[KingKev]

They didn’t flip DJ because his contract was appetizing and had 2 years left, they flipped him because he made it known that he wouldn’t extend again and would enter free agency. They couldn’t risk losing him for nothing. If Keldon is willing to extend, they may not flip him unless he brings a HUGE return.

He would have stayed if they were willing to pay him

[rankingtear]

He would have stayed if they were willing to pay him

Based on what he said post trade. Doubt it.

[CGD]

Yes. Rinse and Repeat. 2 years from now if Keldon's contract looks like a steal; sell high. Vassell same thing. What needs to change is getting a near cornerstone player or two which will only come via the draft as we are the least desirable destination in the NBA for many reasons; city, culture, frugality, upside etc.

I can see Keldon being moved as early as this year. That contract is insane value, almost as if it’s designed to be moved.

[rankingtear]

I can see Keldon being moved as early as this year. That contract is insane value, almost as if it’s designed to be moved.

He is poisoned pill hard to move him this year.

[John B]

I can see Keldon being moved as early as this year. That contract is insane value, almost as if it’s designed to be moved.

I don’t even want to move Poeltl if that Sochan/Poeltl clicks. Keldon hopefully plays well at 3, Devin will be a beast at 2. Wesley, Malaki, Zollins, Toby. We have real promisingly good, long athletic future here, arguably tailored for modern NBA. Besides McD, I’m starting to want to keep this group.

[Dverde]

They don’t need to move Poodle if he’s wants to be part of the rebuild. Not every player needs to be young on a team. I’d be fine signing him to another long term contract.

[exstatic]

I don’t even want to move Poeltl if that Sochan/Poeltl clicks. Keldon hopefully plays well at 3, Devin will be a beast at 2. Wesley, Malaki, Zollins, Toby. We have real promisingly good, long athletic future here, arguably tailored for modern NBA. Besides McD, I’m starting to want to keep this group.
Poeltl and Zollins will both be unrestricted in their next FA period, and if he’s truly healthy, Zollins will want a starting gig, either here or elsewhere. I think he feels grateful to the Spurs, but not grateful enough to stay as a limited minutes backup. He’s two years and a couple months younger, and a more complete modern center. A choice will likely have to be made, and I’m not sure it hasn’t been already. I think the Spurs are trying to maximize the return, but will pull the trigger on Poeltl at whatever the return is at the deadline.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://i.redd.it/tne0hr5rfoy91.jpg

[Atl Spur]

Why the bump? Has he been showing his wood too?

[Atl Spur]

https://i.redd.it/tne0hr5rfoy91.jpg

Lol…gotcha! It wasn’t showing the graphic initially on my end.

[playbonner15]

Why the bump? Has he been showing his wood too?
Injury

[Atl Spur]

Zach out here balling……

[slick'81]

As long as he stays healthy the spurs got their poodle replacement

[Em-City]

Pop said his favorite thing about Collins was the fact that he had a nasty streak in him And that he was very coachable. I thought that was quite interesting

[John B]

Pop said his favorite thing about Collins was the fact that he had a nasty streak in him And that he was very coachable. I thought that was quite interesting

Agree with that. I said before, Zollins just does what he’s told and never complain, a soldier, never cowers, just defends every-single-time even at the risk of getting posterized. He will fight for position and go for that 50/50. Great attitude. I think he’ll be even better on the 2nd year after injury. And he’s the better C to open lanes if Spurs are fortunate to grab Wemby.

[Mr. Body]

Collins was clearly a great signing. Not sure what team his future is on, but he has a nice future in this league.

[CGD]

I was a fan of the signing from day 1. Hope he sticks beyond this year, but if there are other plans, he and Graham could end up being next years versions of Jakob and Josh at the deadline.

[Ariel]

Yup, his youth and potential, and the terms of his contract (3 years, about 2 of which were non guaranteed) meant there was about zero risk and a nice potential reward down the line. Smart move from day 1, even if it hadn't gone as well as it did.

[Atl Spur]

Zollins sucks and always has. I know Atl is on his high horse because he believed in Primo while most of us didn’t. But tbh the spurs could sign udonis Haslem tomorrow and Atl will start making claims that Haslem is the best PF we have since Timmy. Ima let Atl be the homer he is though. We desperately need some depth

Hi! Shall we start?

[Atl Spur]

Collins will be a ok as long as he stays healthy:) I’ll keep this thread alive long enough to see TTM admit he was wrong:)

Ready when you are?

[Atl Spur]

Still waiting to see how Zollins is supposedly the next best big ever on the team other than Duncan and DRob. But what should I expect from someone who’s probably on the same spectrum as Kawhi mentally?

Classic clownery🤡

[Atl Spur]

Not to be that guy but……….. I was one the only guys high on Laurie too. We all miss on projections but it is super funny dudes jump in with both feet !!! TTM is the donkey of the day.

[Atl Spur]

Page 4 of this thread is comedic gold unless you are timtoneymanu…. He went full tard

[John B]

Not to be that guy but……….. I was one the only guys high on Laurie too. We all miss on projections but it is super funny dudes jump in with both feet !!! TTM is the donkey of the day.

Signing Laurie would’ve Spurs on play-in tbh. He doesn’t fit on Spurs rebuilding timeline.

[CGD]

Signing Laurie would’ve Spurs on play-in tbh. He doesn’t fit on Spurs rebuilding timeline.

Agree. It’s the type of move I’m hoping the Spurs are in a position to and looking for in about 3 years.

[timtonymanu]

Page 4 of this thread is comedic gold unless you are timtoneymanu…. He went full tard

You were a fan of the flasher named Primo. You have no credibility lol

Can’t even spell Tony correctly either lol

[Atl Spur]

You were a fan of the flasher named Primo. You have no credibility lol

Can’t even spell Tony correctly either lol

What’s up big homie? Don’t be mad, just humble yourself�� Tony ( yay I did it ) Don’t backtrack on YOUR words….own it! Be that hero:)

[timtonymanu]

What’s up big homie? Don’t be mad, just humble yourself�� Tony ( yay I did it ) Don’t backtrack on YOUR words….own it! Be that hero:)

Just because one player proved me wrong (Zollins is still not as good as Duncan/DRob like you claimed), doesn’t mean shit. No one takes the loss as much as you defending Primo like you did, I wouldn’t be surprised if the news of him being a flasher turned you on when you heard it.

[Rocalcio]

You were a fan of the flasher named Primo. You have no credibility lol

Can’t even spell Tony correctly either lol

We have no proof Primo wouldn't have been a good player. Him being a flasher doesn't impact his game.

[Atl Spur]

We have no proof Primo wouldn't have been a good player. Him being a flasher doesn't impact his game.

Exactly! He knows but deflecting is easier than humbling himself! Classic ��

[KingKev]

Exactly! He knows but deflecting is easier than humbling himself! Classic ��

Still using emojis

[Atl Spur]

Just because one player proved me wrong (Zollins is still not as good as Duncan/DRob like you claimed), doesn’t mean shit. No one takes the loss as much as you defending Primo like you did, I wouldn’t be surprised if the news of him being a flasher turned you on when you heard it.

Lol…. You are truly butt-hurt! Primo is no longer a Spur big guy, let it go:) #rentfree

[Atl Spur]

Still using emojis

Yup! Lol. That man-lady knows what I’m implying!

[timtonymanu]

Lol…. You are truly butt-hurt! Primo is no longer a Spur big guy, let it go:) #rentfree

Apparently I’m living rent free in your head cause you had to bump this thread. :lol. Living rent free in your autistic filled mind

[Rocalcio]

Yup! Lol. That man-lady knows what I’m implying!

Are you referring to me ?

[Atl Spur]

Are you referring to me ?

No sir….. talking to Timtonymanu

[Atl Spur]

Apparently I’m living rent free in your head cause you had to bump this thread. :lol. Living rent free in your autistic filled mind

You just can’t bring yourself to do it huh? Lol. You a funny dude

[JeffDuncan]

We have no proof Primo wouldn't have been a good player. ...


At the time he left, Primo had more turnovers (11) than he had made buckets (9) this season, and his PER was 6.2 (league average is 15.) Not that that proves anything, but it doesn’t sparkle.

Collins has decent stats at this time, btw.

[wildbill2u]

Collins is playing well as replacement for Poertl so far. He isn't putting up eye-popping numbers, but seems to be improving with his increased minutes. Decent rebounder and defense, pretty good passer, and scoring ppg is going up. I particularly like the way he scraps and fights within the paint.

So, all this being said, should we keep him for a backup if a miracle happens and we can draft Wemby? I doubt Bassey is ready to step up to #2 just yet, but Collins is very tradeable with that contract, age 25, and higher ceiling in sight. He might bring us some one that could fill a position like PG or SF better than what we have now. Would appreciate comments by some of the trading gurus on whether we should look to trade him under this circumstance.

[Maddog]

At the time he left, Primo had more turnovers (11) than he had made buckets (9) this season, and his PER was 6.2 (league average is 15.) Not that that proves anything, but it doesn’t sparkle.

Collins has decent stats at this time, btw.
I think that was in art Primo getting exposed as not being a true point guard

[Atl Spur]

I see you zach!

[Rocalcio]

For me he’s better than Poeltl, better offense and has an outside shoot.

[Mr. Body]

Best player on the team right now, at least when Sochan isn't playing.

[Atl Spur]

Where are all the Zollins haters?

[John B]

I like Zollins and he’s cheap. With the rebuilding, anyway the Spurs would contemplate on trading him for picks? What would he fetch next trade deadline if ever?

[slick'81]

I like Zollins and he’s cheap. With the rebuilding, anyway the Spurs would contemplate on trading him for picks? What would he fetch next trade deadline if ever?


with his current contract? probably a treasure chest of seconds

[Ocotillo]

Where are all the Zollins haters?

https://twitter.com/TheTraeYoung/status/1634420866564882433

[John B]

https://twitter.com/TheTraeYoung/status/1634420866564882433

Tbh I rather he reacts like that. It shows he’s not taking shit from anybody. Sometimes the problem with the Spurs is the lack of “enforcer” type attitude. It helps rally the team.

[slick'81]

Tbh I rather he reacts like that. It shows he’s not taking shit from anybody. Sometimes the problem with the Spurs is the lack of “enforcer” type attitude. It helps rally the team.


zach is literally not afraid to throw down

[Ocotillo]

I shared that because Trae is getting ratioed for not being aware of the trash talk and not the dunk being what provoked Zollins and to add to the irony, he himself is now the butt of Twitter humor because of Marcus Smart and him rolling around on the court. I too like Zollins' fire but when we are not tanking, he will have to try and not get thrown out of games because of it.

[Atl Spur]

I shared that because Trae is getting ratioed for not being aware of the trash talk and not the dunk being what provoked Zollins and to add to the irony, he himself is now the butt of Twitter humor because of Marcus Smart and him rolling around on the court. I too like Zollins' fire but when we are not tanking, he will have to try and not get thrown out of games because of it.

True

[Atl Spur]

I like Zollins and he’s cheap. With the rebuilding, anyway the Spurs would contemplate on trading him for picks? What would he fetch next trade deadline if ever?

I’d like for them to keep ol’ Zollins

[jjspur]

I’d like for them to keep ol’ Zollins

Wasn't too sure in the beginning, but in retrospect, he has been a pretty decent addition especially for the price.

[Mr. Body]

Tbh I rather he reacts like that. It shows he’s not taking shit from anybody. Sometimes the problem with the Spurs is the lack of “enforcer” type attitude. It helps rally the team.

Part of it, to me, is MPJ was jawing off against one of the worst teams in the league after a dunk. That's low-tier, sissy stuff. It's the end of the season and let the Spurs walk off with some dignity.

[Mr. Body]

As for Trae Young, players vote for All-Stars every year. Trae didn't get as many player votes as he has players on his team. He has teammates that literally didn't vote for him.

[CGD]

Tbh I rather he reacts like that. It shows he’s not taking shit from anybody. Sometimes the problem with the Spurs is the lack of “enforcer” type attitude. It helps rally the team.

I mean, Porter needs to be smarter there. He did get ejected after all, and while this was a meaningless game there are players he'll see in the playoffs that have made a living getting into heads of the mentally soft to solicits this exact reaction from the opponents best players.

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/TheTraeYoung/status/1634420866564882433

i would guess a good number of these comments are pointing out that it doesn't happen to Trae because one generally needs to actually play defense to get dunked on :lol

Zach always wants the smoke and I'm all for it. Every team needs someone with some grit/toughness that doesnt let nonsense go unchecked

[exstatic]

As for Trae Young, players vote for All-Stars every year. Trae didn't get as many player votes as he has players on his team. He has teammates that literally didn't vote for him.

Porter's teammates don't like him, either. He's a bit of a black hole. There was a clip last year of a fast break where he had an obvious and easy pass for an assist, and took it himself. The looks on the bench were incredulous.

[Rocalcio]

Tbh I rather he reacts like that. It shows he’s not taking shit from anybody. Sometimes the problem with the Spurs is the lack of “enforcer” type attitude. It helps rally the team.

Pop wants some nasty.

[Rocalcio]

I shared that because Trae is getting ratioed for not being aware of the trash talk and not the dunk being what provoked Zollins and to add to the irony, he himself is now the butt of Twitter humor because of Marcus Smart and him rolling around on the court. I too like Zollins' fire but when we are not tanking, he will have to try and not get thrown out of games because of it.

I think he made progress on not fooling too much lately. In the last game some calls against him were really shitty.

[Mr. Body]

Speaking of fights, Trey Lyles got into a dust-up with Brook Lopez last night in SAC v. MIL. First, another one of those inexplicable things where the refs gave Lopez two techs and a toss for an action where only one was reasonable.

Second, the ref couldn't remember who Trey Lyles was, so kept referring to him as "number 41."

[John B]

Speaking of fights, Trey Lyles got into a dust-up with Brook Lopez last night in SAC v. MIL. First, another one of those inexplicable things where the refs gave Lopez two techs and a toss for an action where only one was reasonable.

Second, the ref couldn't remember who Trey Lyles was, so kept referring to him as "number 41."

That’s some funny shit :lol

[The Truth #6]

The NBA’s fear of physicality is hurting the game. I’m not saying I’m in favor of fighting per se, but the refs seem to be over reacting in all of these situations. I think some level of intensity is definitely needed, because it seems to be sorely lacking more than anything on most games.

[Atl Spur]

Zach says hi bitches!

[Maddog]

Speaking of fights, Trey Lyles got into a dust-up with Brook Lopez last night in SAC v. MIL. First, another one of those inexplicable things where the refs gave Lopez two techs and a toss for an action where only one was reasonable.

Second, the ref couldn't remember who Trey Lyles was, so kept referring to him as "number 41."

I think I've forgotten who Trey Lyles was

[rjv]

Zollins is on a mission lately. Dude has been ballin'.

[scott]

Porter's teammates don't like him, either. He's a bit of a black hole. There was a clip last year of a fast break where he had an obvious and easy pass for an assist, and took it himself. The looks on the bench were incredulous.

I remember KPJ doing the same this season, I think against the Spurs even. Signs of truly selfish players.

[exstatic]

I remember KPJ doing the same this season, I think against the Spurs even. Signs of truly selfish players.

As a player who had two back surgeries before the age of 24, perhaps he should heed an old saying: be nice to people on your way up, because they're the same people you see on the way down.

[Atl Spur]

Another nice outing:)

[heyheymymy]

Zollins stats since the MPJ ejection:

https://i.redd.it/bpqjxqajyeoa1.png

[Mr. Body]

Robinson-Duncan-Collins

History repeats

[Atl Spur]

Robinson-Duncan-Collins

History repeats

We shall see……. Let’s just hope he stays healthy. Nice all around game….

[Rocalcio]

He’s my favorite player on the roster now. And I like his attitude.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1644799848644853761

[Atl Spur]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1644799848644853761

Nice!

[KingKev]

I like Zollins and was on the bandwagon at a very early but guaranteeing his contract shouldn’t make him the confirmed 23-24 starter but it’s surely his job to lose.

[ace3g]

The laceration on Zach Collins (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/colliza01.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2023-04-12_bbr)‘ left hand that forced him to miss the final two games of the season wound up requiring surgery, according to Tom Orsborn of The San Antonio Express-News (https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/collins-eager-return-work-finger-surgery-17893273.php).
The Spurs sent Collins home after he experienced finger swelling following Thursday’s game. Doctors discovered that the cut had become infected and determined that surgery was necessary.
“All the bad stuff is out of it now, so now I just have to recover from the operation,” Collins said. “They had to numb me up pretty good. I wasn’t completely out, but I was pretty loopy and couldn’t feel anything. They went in and pretty much flushed out all the infected stuff that was in the finger and now it is just healing. … I was in the hospital overnight. It was just so much for something so small. It was crazy.”

[EricB]

Health was the only obstacle to this guy’s game. He comes from a good developmental program. You saw in college his potential. I don’t know how much growth there is in his game. However there will be some solely due to having a second healthy summer. What’s more exciting is how well he plays off of guys like Vassell, and if you add in a top pick, especially VW or Scoot, they will in turn just make him better. The signing was a literal no lose, and it’s been a very underrated signing that deserves more league wide recognition

[Atl Spur]

Ummmm…….

[Atl Spur]

There’s plenty in here to revisit :)

[Atl Spur]

Zollins sucks and always has. I know Atl is on his high horse because he believed in Primo while most of us didn’t. But tbh the spurs could sign udonis Haslem tomorrow and Atl will start making claims that Haslem is the best PF we have since Timmy. Ima let Atl be the homer he is though. We desperately need some depth

This guy was always a favorite of mine….. I kept him in a jar! It’s time to let you fly again, any bold predictions?

[timtonymanu]

This guy was always a favorite of mine….. I kept him in a jar! It’s time to let you fly again, any bold predictions?

I’ll take the loss on this one. You’re still wrong about Primo though. We got Wemby though so no need to argue over scrub players anymore. :lobt2:

[Atl Spur]

I’ll take the loss on this one. You’re still wrong about Primo though. We got Wemby though so no need to argue over scrub players anymore. :lobt2:

I agree:) Zollins not a scrub though! Lol

[timtonymanu]

I agree:) Zollins not a scrub though! Lol

He wasn’t who I was referring to in the last post. All those other scrubs you were hyping up are long gone from the Spurs anyways lol.

[heyheymymy]

Zach was the long bet and long last has now paid off

Spurs definitely did their time and there were doubts during his injury recovery timeline but SA must feel vindicated playing the long gamble and hitting gold

[scott]

This thread, along with the Collins signing thread, are some treasure chests of gold in terms of evidence why you should never confuse the posters of this website (as wise as they may be at times) with NBA professionals.

[TekXX]

This thread, along with the Collins signing thread, are some treasure chests of gold in terms of evidence why you should never confuse the posters of this website (as wise as they may be at times) with NBA professionals.

NBA "professionals" make lots of bad decisions.

[spurraider21]

NBA professionals on the spurs also signed demarre carroll :lol

[John B]

NBA "professionals" make lots of bad decisions.

NBA pundits have ESPN agenda, good or bad, on top of watching 500 plus players as compared to zeroing on Spurs’ players only. LJ and some ST posters would be better judges as they watch every Spurs game, practices, interviews, to make a better evaluation of a Spurs player.

[Atl Spur]

NBA professionals on the spurs also signed demarre carroll :lol

Let’s not be petty…lol