Will have to send Pop a bottle of champagne

[Michael Jordan.]

For not drafting Sengun.

[exstatic]

Pop has never been our draft guy. Other than general personality requirements, he pretty much stays out of it.

You’re really jizzing over 9.1/4.6?

[MultiTroll]

You’re really jizzing over 9.1/4.6?
In 18 minutes, yes.

Very Happy with my pick of Primo Suave. Competent FO would have found a way to have gotten them both.

[Chucho]

You’re really jizzing over 9.1/4.6?

You're talking about a guy who is afraid to use his main account for "reasons". Dude went into hiding for half a year over dumb things he said in the politics thread to hide from TSA and welch on a bet. Of course he's giving Momma-San more underwear to launder and neatly fold and put away.

[The Truth #6]

Pop has never been our draft guy. Other than general personality requirements, he pretty much stays out of it.

You’re really jizzing over 9.1/4.6?

Ahh, “counting stats” for a rookie. So you like basic stats now? Got it.

[The Truth #6]

In 18 minutes, yes.

Very Happy with my pick of Primo Suave. Competent FO would have found a way to have gotten them both.

Yeah. Supposedly NY was offering their two FR picks. I think we could have gotten both players. I’m not buying the agent talk that he was going mid first round. Dubious of the “open growth plate” theory the agent was selling either, but we’ll see.

[exstatic]

In 18 minutes, yes.

Very Happy with my pick of Primo Suave. Competent FO would have found a way to have gotten them both.

That’s 18.2/9.2 in 36. Not stupendous. Poeltl is averaging 12.4/9.1 in 29 minutes. It’s also kind of a red flag when a center averages more steals than blocks. Hint: his steals aren’t eye popping.

[MultiTroll]

That’s 18.2/9.2 in 36. Not stupendous. Poeltl is averaging 124.4/9.1 in 29 minutes. It’s also kind of a red flag when a center averages more steals than blocks. Hint: his steals aren’t eye popping.
Ya Poodles only had 6 years and 150 starts in the NBA.
Rookie with 26 games should be able to equal.

Horrible take.

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyRaptor WAR

73) 1.5 Steve Adams, Deni Avdja, Will Barton, Bradley Beal, Luka Doncic, Anthony Edwards, Al Horford, Herbert Jones, De'Anthony Melton, Malik Monk, Alperen Sengun, P.J. Tucker, Gabe Vincent, Derrick White

Those 14 in minute played order:

972 Anthony Edwards
901 Bradley Beal
811 Derrick White
786 P.J. Tucker
777 Will Barton
735 Luka Doncic
711 Al Horford
700 Herbert Jones
693 Steve Adams
666 Malik Monk
611 De'Anthony Melton
593 Deni Avdja
473 Alperen Sengun
460 Gabe Vincent

[Dex]

Oh look, OP wants attention again

[pad300]

Pop has never been our draft guy. Other than general personality requirements, he pretty much stays out of it.

You’re really jizzing over 9.1/4.6?

You might want to pay more attention...

https://twitter.com/NBA_Math/status/1470060878410104834

He's also pretty much running their second unit offense now. He's averaging 7 assits to 4.6 To's per 48; Jokic's rookie year was 5.2 to 2.9...

For a 19 year old foreign big in his NBA rookie season, he looks like he's on track to be pretty good...

[exstatic]

Ahh, “counting stats” for a rookie. So you like basic stats now? Got it.

Poeltl OWS 1.2 DWS 0.2 WS 1.8
Sengun OWS 0.6 DWS 0.4 WS 1.5

[Sugus]

You might want to pay more attention...

https://twitter.com/NBA_Math/status/1470060878410104834

He's also pretty much running their second unit offense now. He's averaging 7 assits to 4.6 To's per 48; Jokic's rookie year was 5.2 to 2.9...

For a 19 year old foreign big in his NBA rookie season, he looks like he's on track to be pretty good...

He's absolutely on track to be pretty good, and better than just "pretty good". He's having a stupendous rookie season and showing a bunch of flashes that aren't normal, especially for centers, who are notorious for being slow to develop.

No need to bash the kid just to try to "save face" to the FO or prop up Primo. I was full team Sengun before the draft, and I'm not surprised that he's gotten off to a strong start, but I also like what I've seen from Primo. Two entirely different players, and TBH, both cover entirely different, but also much-needed, holes for the Spurs. Let's hope the next draft allows us to shore up the big man hole that we didn't fill last year.

[MultiTroll]

Poeltl OWS 1.2 DWS 0.2 WS 1.8
Sengun OWS 0.6 DWS 0.4 WS 1.5
You sure showed us.

[exstatic]

You sure showed us.

He was complaining about counting stats, so…

He’s not a bad prospect, and in fact is probably a good one, but nothing to lose sleep over, and isn’t better than Poodle.

[MultiTroll]

He was complaining about counting stats, so…

He’s not a bad prospect, and in fact is probably a good one, but nothing to lose sleep over, and isn’t better than Poodle.
Poodles rookie season:
11 minutes
3.1 pts
3.1 rebounds
0.2 assists
0.3 blocks
0.0 treys

Sengun rookie season so far
18 minutes
9.7 pts
4.2 rbs
3.2 assists
1.1 blocks
10-30 treys

Okay Homer?

[exstatic]

Poodles rookie season:
11 minutes
3.1 pts
3.1 rebounds
0.2 assists
0.3 blocks
0.0 treys

Sengun rookie season so far
18 minutes
9.7 pts
4.2 rbs
3.2 assists
1.1 blocks
10-30 treys

Okay Homer?

:lol. Nice deflection. It was a fairly straightforward statement that you chose to twist: he isn’t better than Poodle. He isn’t. Poodle is a developed player. Sengun is a prospect on a tanking team. Even comparing their rookie seasons isn’t clear, since Poodle played off the bench for an EC contender, not a WC bottom feeder.

Nice counting stats, by the way.

Rookie Poodle 1.6 WS
Rookie Sengun 1.5 WS

[MultiTroll]

:lol. Nice deflection. It was a fairly straightforward statement that you chose to twist: he isn’t better than Poodle. He isn’t. Poodle is a developed player. Sengun is a prospect on a tanking team. Even comparing their rookie seasons isn’t clear, since Poodle played off the bench for an EC contender, not a WC bottom feeder.

Nice counting stats, by the way.

Rookie Poodle 1.6 WS
Rookie Sengun 1.5 WS
Nice deflection? :lmao

Wow, you sure showed us.

[mudyez]

That’s 18.2/9.2 in 36. Not stupendous. Poeltl is averaging 12.4/9.1 in 29 minutes. It’s also kind of a red flag when a center averages more steals than blocks. Hint: his steals aren’t eye popping.

It also would be 6.13 personal fouls in 36 minutes!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I was pissed about Primo on draft night, but I understand why we drafted the kid. Lots of raw talent.



Sengun was high on my draft board, too. I'm sure someone will bump this thread in a couple of years depending on how their respective careers develop.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

https://twitter.com/NBA_Math/status/1470060878410104834




What an easy to read graph (if you have every rookie's face memorized and can somehow un-pile the mass in the middle).

[Truckules]

:lol. Nice deflection. It was a fairly straightforward statement that you chose to twist: he isn’t better than Poodle. He isn’t. Poodle is a developed player. Sengun is a prospect on a tanking team. Even comparing their rookie seasons isn’t clear, since Poodle played off the bench for an EC contender, not a WC bottom feeder.

Nice counting stats, by the way.

Rookie Poodle 1.6 WS
Rookie Sengun 1.5 WS

This post demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding on win shares. Poeltl had 1.6 WS over 54 games and Sengun has 1.5 in 26. There's no question that Sengun has had a better rookie season than Poeltl did.

[exstatic]

This post demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding on win shares. Poeltl had 1.6 WS over 54 games and Sengun has 1.5 in 26. There's no question that Sengun has had a better rookie season than Poeltl did.

It was a trap I set for MultiTroll, and he fell right in. I knew it was a partial season, just trying to see if he would spot it. :lol

[MultiTroll]

It was a trap I set for MultiTroll, and he fell right in. I knew it was a partial season, just trying to see if he would spot it. :lol

You consider this "fell right in it."?

Nice deflection? :lmao

Wow, you sure showed us.
exstatic with more Peletron back pedaling. :lol

[Chomag]

I was pissed about Primo on draft night, but I understand why we drafted the kid. Lots of raw talent.



Sengun was high on my draft board, too. I'm sure someone will bump this thread in a couple of years depending on how their respective careers develop. I hear you and I felt the same , although I'm almost 100% sure we could have gotten both and used our later for Primo.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very satisfied with Primo and I see a talented player in him however it just stings knowing we should have gotten both.

[scott]

I bet he'd be crushing it the G League right had we drafted him.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I like Primo he has a ton of upside, but the Spurs are so guard heavy right now. The Front court is clearly the weakest group on this team. Sengun would be a great fit on this team but besides the Luka pick the Spurs have done really well drafting in the 1st round recently so let's see how it plays out.

[MI21]

Sengun was one player I actually watched a lot of film on pre-draft and I was convinced the Spurs should take him should he fall. I'm very happy with Primo and think he has a boatload of potential, so no stress. Would have been great to have both.

Anyone trying to downplay Sengun's rookie season is either trolling or hasn't watched him.

[The Truth #6]

Exstatic flip flopping over his use of “counting stats” when it suits him, then a botched interpretation of advanced stats evidently as irony to save face, but really you seem to have to win every argument even if it kills your credibility. But maybe you’re trolling. You know your Spurs so I don’t know what your goal is other than attention, I guess.

[offset formation]

Houston Chronicle already saying the kid is "looking more and more like the franchise cornerstone."

Cat ain't even 19.5 yrs old. Pop would say he had at least 2 more yrs to get over himself to earn the almost 19 min/game that he's playing already.

It's laughable incompetence the way PATFO develops players nowadays. And aside from TP, it always was. It just got obscured by the ridiculous talent of the Big 3.

I too like Primo but he ought to be getting NBA minutes, now! Sengun certainly is and Houston (Coach Silas) is playing a lot of rookies yet are only a single game back of the Spurs. Primos development will waste a year he could have been learning from and co.peting against his future competition. It's so predictable.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Sengun is a fantastic talent. I wanted the Spurs to draft him. But Primo is so promising too. Its not a miss. With Poeltl and hopefully Collins recovering well and playing upto potential plus Eubanks.. the center spot is set for the Spurs. Most/all of us underestimated Primo and thought it was a stretch/ failed Hail Mary attempt to get a top of the lottery talent in the bottom of the lottery. But from what we have seen so far, Primo's potential is tantalising and Wright got it right. I expect in a couple of years to see Primo going as good guns as much as Sengun.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I too like Primo but he ought to be getting NBA minutes, now! Sengun certainly is and Houston (Coach Silas) is playing a lot of rookies yet are only a single game back of the Spurs. Primos development will waste a year he could have been learning from and co.peting against his future competition. It's so predictable.

The Rockets have done better record-wise when they played Gordon, Wood, Tate and Theis more than when they relied on Green, Porter Jr, Sengun and Christopher (in the initial games).

[Michael Jordan.]

The Rockets have done better record-wise when they played Gordon, Wood, Tate and Theis more than when they relied on Green, Porter Jr, Sengun and Christopher (in the initial games).
Theis has become unplayable with Wood. Green started to look better once they took Theis out and had more spacing. But Sengun just needs to get more playing time which he will

[exstatic]

Wait, those Sengun numbers are only for a partial season…

Said MT, never. Right over your head. :lol

[exstatic]

Exstatic flip flopping over his use of “counting stats” when it suits him, then a botched interpretation of advanced stats evidently as irony to save face, but really you seem to have to win every argument even if it kills your credibility. But maybe you’re trolling. You know your Spurs so I don’t know what your goal is other than attention, I guess.

Somebody gets it. Troll the troll….

[DAF86]

Is this Sengun guy actually good? I saw a couple of clips of him and looks pretty meh. Slow as fuck and can't shoot. Two glaring defects in today's NBA. He seems like the kind of guy that will get abused on the defensive end for years to come.

[MultiTroll]

Exstatic flip flopping over his use of “counting stats” when it suits him, then a botched interpretation of advanced stats evidently as irony to save face, but really you seem to have to win every argument even if it kills your credibility.
This.

Followed a pathetic attempt to spin it as some self proclaimed witty 'but but but i was trolling.' :lmao

[SpurSpike]

We should all give an apology and a bottle of champagne to Pop if the Spurs manage to flip Forbes for an asset.

That move would literally make the entire forum eat crow, and like it!

[baseline bum]

It's laughable incompetence the way PATFO develops players nowadays. And aside from TP, it always was. It just got obscured by the ridiculous talent of the Big 3.

What about that mute who came to the Spurs with no jumpshot and was developed into a yearly MVP candidate?

[Truckules]

Is this Sengun guy actually good? I saw a couple of clips of him and looks pretty meh. Slow as fuck and can't shoot. Two glaring defects in today's NBA. He seems like the kind of guy that will get abused on the defensive end for years to come.

I think he's clearly going to be a center in the NBA. I don't see him being able to play much as a 4 due to lateral quickness limitations. For a center, he's undersized. Surprisingly, that hasn't affected his ability to block and alter shots much as he has really good instincts and positioning. However, he has struggled to rebound as a center. Also, he gets taken advantage of when he switches onto quicker players. Offensively, he's displayed a lot of skill, primarily doing center-type things, DHOs, post-ups, but he's also been very good off the dribble. He would fit in great on this Spurs team on offense. I think his ability to play in the NBA is clear but his size as a 5 and lack of lateral quickness is going to limit his ceiling.

[exstatic]

Exstatic clowned me, and now I’m sad.

[MultiTroll]

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[Maddog]

Is this Sengun guy actually good? I saw a couple of clips of him and looks pretty meh. Slow as fuck and can't shoot. Two glaring defects in today's NBA. He seems like the kind of guy that will get abused on the defensive end for years to come.


I think he's clearly going to be a center in the NBA. I don't see him being able to play much as a 4 due to lateral quickness limitations. For a center, he's undersized. Surprisingly, that hasn't affected his ability to block and alter shots much as he has really good instincts and positioning. However, he has struggled to rebound as a center. Also, he gets taken advantage of when he switches onto quicker players. Offensively, he's displayed a lot of skill, primarily doing center-type things, DHOs, post-ups, but he's also been very good off the dribble. He would fit in great on this Spurs team on offense. I think his ability to play in the NBA is clear but his size as a 5 and lack of lateral quickness is going to limit his ceiling.

I think he's going to be solid- the above mentioned issues but his lack of lateral movement and being a bit undersized is going to hurt him. He's definitely a foul machine 4th in per 36 minutes. Of course that can get better with coaching- of course part of this is due to lack of lateral quickness

[Michael Jordan.]

1471305977978933249

[offset formation]

What about that mute who came to the Spurs with no jumpshot and was developed into a yearly MVP candidate?

Fuck that guy.

[slick'81]

sengun is balling right now. Primo suave is gonna be fine butspurs sure need to address that 3/4 spot

[baseline bum]

Fuck that guy.

Except PATFO developed the guy from a 3/4 tweener who shot like a ten year old girl into a yearly MVP candidate. Conversely you want to see a guy with a lot of talent, athleticism, and great motor who got shitty coaching and never developed into anything look at Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. PATFO can be accused of a lot of things but poor player development isn't one of them. They're elite when it comes to player development.

[buttsR4rebounding]

1471305977978933249

Empty stats in a 35 point loss for a 9-19 team. Do you think he could do that for a 10-17 team? Probably not.

[MultiTroll]

Empty stats in a 35 point loss for a 9-19 team. Do you think he could do that for a 10-17 team? Probably not.
Because they are....soo different?

Bryn Bonner with 25 in last nights 30 point blowout loss.

[exstatic]

Because they are....soo different?

Bryn Bonner with 25 in last nights 30 point blowout loss.

Humor detection fail.

[MultiTroll]

Humor detection fail.
Not familiar with poster.
I was wrong. < see how easy that was.

Hurrr durr I was trolling.

[Ditty]

Would have loved watching Sengun throw some beautiful passes to Wemby :depressed. Maybe Pop would have played him at point guard:elephant.

[slick'81]

Would have loved watching Sengun throw some beautiful passes to Wemby :depressed. Maybe Pop would have played him at point guard:elephant.

yea primo>senguin and vassell over halliburton was not it

[MultiTroll]

yea primo>senguin and vassell over halliburton was not it
Could CIA Pop GOAT have led the Spurs to the bottom and Wemby tho?

[spurraider21]

yea primo>senguin and vassell over halliburton was not it
Vassell is good but Halliburton is absurd

his numbers are like harden but with 50/40/90 efficiency. And just constantly pushing the tempo. Even after made shots he gets out and runs like it’s a fastbreak