Game Thread: Spurs vs Hornets - Dec 15, 2021 - 7:30pm CT

[DC23]

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[emanueldavidginobili]

Some interesting stats, since November 26 the Spurs are 8th in OFFRTG and 7th in DEFRTG not bad.

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[John B]

Spurs Injuries: Zach Collins - Out (Foot)
Hornets Injuries: LaMelo Ball - Questionable (Covid-19 Protocols), Mason Plumlee - Questionable (Calf/Return from Covid-19 Protocols), Ish Smith - Questionable (Covid-19 Protocols)

New streak coming up. Spurs by 16pts :flag::flag::flag:

[PhantomDashCam]

Apparently Lonnie now is out… :stirpot:

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1471209365885566984?s=20

[Degoat]

Apparently Lonnie now is out… :stirpot:

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1471209365885566984?s=20

:wow:wow

I’m sure it’s nothing lol I get my hopes up every year for trades and all we get is salary for Marquese Chriss

[TDomination]

We'll see if they update the reason why Lonnie is out. But i guess they could say anything.

[Spurs Homer]

Lonnie most def hurt himself when he stepped off a sidewalk by accident

[PhantomDashCam]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1471223141024284681?s=20

Wishing him a speedy recovery. Was having a nice stretch of aggression there. I’m blaming Forbes.:lol

Guy gets a DNP and he’s having none of it…

[Sugus]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1471223141024284681?s=20

Wishing him a speedy recovery. Was having a nice stretch of aggression there. I’m blaming Forbes.:lol

Guy gets a DNP and he’s having none of it…

:depressed

[slick'81]

Geez no lamelo?! Even someone braindead knows spurs are taking this one

[KobesAchilles]

Murray about to get another triple dub. Dude needs to be an all-star

[heyheymymy]

:flag:

[John B]

Apparently Lonnie now is out… :stirpot:

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1471209365885566984?s=20

Part of a package? :lol:lol

[pad300]

Gastroenteritis? At least it's not covid.

[RC_Drunkford]

Why every season a Spurs player is out for eating a bad burrito?

[BatManu20]

No LaMelo = Spurs dub. Hornets stink without him.

[Degoat]

Terry Rozier going for 50 tonight

[Chinook]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1471223141024284681?s=20

Wishing him a speedy recovery. Was having a nice stretch of aggression there. I’m blaming Forbes.:lol

Guy gets a DNP and he’s having none of it…

The vaccine strikes again. He'll be autistic by the morning.

[8FOR!3]

Just going to throw out there that I'm pissed if Lonnie is part of a package for Jalen Smith of all players. He could be good but he hasn't proven as much as even Zach Collins has in this league. End of the bench player as a top 10 pick. I'm all for his upside, but if we want him they can have Thad and a Dr. Pepper from Whataburger

[Jordan Jackson]

Apparently Lonnie now is out… :stirpot:

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1471209365885566984?s=20

oh no. Who’s going to step out of bounds for us.

[Robz4000]

The vaccine strikes again. He'll be autistic by the morning.

:depressed

[heyheymymy]

Bill land needs to know his tie looks like it has little spurs logos on it in 720hd

[Uriel]

Why is today's NBA so much more fast-paced than even 10 years ago? Is it rule changes? Or are team's just actively making an effort to run more?

[emanueldavidginobili]

The top 2 finalist for MIP are on the court right now, DJ and Miles Bridges

[LeBowen]

Hornets on pace for 50pts quarter.

[SPURt]

Martin going off… horrible start, Charlotte hitting everything

[PhantomDashCam]

They better test all the starters for Gastro as they’re playing like as* atm.

[Degoat]

Sooooo we're getting bad spurs today, great.... Starters are playing with zero urgency/energy

[Dejounte]

The dream team is out

Tre, Forbes, Vassell, KBD, Poeltl

[John B]

No reason for me to hurry home then :rolleyes

[Sugus]

Tre is good... Even if he gets blocked a lot

[heyheymymy]

Tre had that parker esque game with the drop among the giants

Impressive how he's suited his size for his game

[Degoat]

KBD is solid and makes pretty good decisions on the court but I wish we had someone better then him as the PF on the bench.

[Leetonidas]

:lol Jesus

[Sugus]

Woof... Hornets with a ball movement & shooting masterclass

[heyheymymy]

9/13 3PM CHA
1/7 3PM SAS

[Uriel]

Wow.

[Sugus]

This lineup is truly a showing of no-shooting... All of Poeltl, Tre, KBD apparently, don't even look to shoot the 3. Forbes is shit and Vassell is weirdly shy tonight. :rolleyes

[objective]

3 active back up centers in this team and Pop insists on running Poeltl the entire first quarter. Is it any surprise that he's slow to rotate to shooters when spent?

[Dex]

We're gonna let the fucking Hornets score 50 in a quarter?

[LeBowen]

Hornets on pace for 50pts quarter.

Lockdown defense held them to 46. :lobt2:

[Sugus]

3 active back up centers in this team and Pop insists on running Poeltl the entire first quarter. Is it any surprise that he's slow to rotate to shooters when spent?

Is Landale on the roster tonight? Insane that he can't buy a minute no matter how the Spurs play

[YoungbuckMurray]

Spurs can’t stop a nose bleed on defense tonight

[Dex]

Maybe we should guard the three-point line a little better.

Just a thought.

[heyheymymy]

Maybe defend the perimeter better

[Degoat]

That was rough! All things considered be down 15 isnt that bad lol

[heyheymymy]

Can Charlotte stay this hot, whole lotta game left.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

we've got em where we want em. their arms and legs are all tired out from shooting 3s

[Slippy]

46 in 1 quarter against spurs. Mostly threes . Wtf

[Uriel]

Is Thad Young still on the bench?

[Uriel]

Is Thad Young still on the bench?
Or is he no longer with the team?

[objective]

Is Landale on the roster tonight? Insane that he can't buy a minute no matter how the Spurs play

He should be, he wasn't with Austin yesterday

[slick'81]

Or is he no longer with the team?

would definitely not surprise if he quit on the team but that doesn't seem like thad

[Dejounte]

To be only down 14 after that 3 pt fest is a miracle

[Sugus]

To be only down 14 after that 3 pt fest is a miracle

It's absolutely still game. Modern NBA is weird like that.

[slick'81]

Hornets went for the ko but spurs still standing

[John B]

Spurs are just setting up for a great come back :pctoss

[Dejounte]

I was about to be upset at Keldon for not shooting that 3

[Uriel]

20-point leads aren't quite what they used to be.

[John B]

Single digit, here they come :lol

[Slippy]

Spurs came up with huge stop there. A lot of helping each other out and drew with the block.

No coincidence Bryn just went to the bench.

Spurs got it dow to 8 behind. 7.30min left in the 2nd

[Sugus]

Pet peeve: I hate how Keldon cut his hair. Lonnie-looking mofo. His previous style was perfect and great smh

[Sugus]

Jesus, Hayward, damn

[heyheymymy]

Hornets playing like Globetrotters on meth

[poopbox]

Whenever we get in the bonus we don't actually end up getting a lot of free throws out of it...

[poopbox]

We perfectly contest a 3...Hornets make it anyway

We get a perfectly open 3...it rims out

Pretty much the 2021 San Antonio Spurs in a nutshell

[objective]

KBD getting scored on. If he's negative on offense and getting tuned on defense ... Man, they cut Samanic for this?

[Uriel]

My God. We're being destroyed by the Bobcats.

[Sugus]

My God. We're being destroyed by the Bobcats.

Without their best player...

[Slippy]

Really smalball here by pop. Beta and Doug are spurs bigs .

Lead has blowen out to 20 points. Pop bringing back Bryn.

2min left

[Seventyniner]

The lack of rim protection is glaring. Why keep shooting threes when the Spurs backline defense is Keldon Johnson?

[poopbox]

Without their best player...


Without their best scorer...

Best passer...

Second best defender...

Best rebounder...

But any ol scrub can come in and rain 3s on the spurs like the nuggets did so when it comes to us who is or isn't playing for the other team doesn't really matter...

[itzsoweezee]

Might be back on team tank tbh

[Fusternino]

Might stop watching until Pop stops playing these tiny lineups. I though even pairing TP9/Mills was an issue but this theme has turned into an absolute monstrosity.

[NASpurs]

My God. We're being destroyed by the Bobcats.


Without their best player...


No LaMelo = Spurs dub. Hornets stink without him.

:lol

[LeBowen]

Might be back on team tank tbh

Regardless of which team any of us is on, for the rest of the season we'll be stuck in the loop of false hope that gets crushed in games like this.

[Dejounte]

Bring us back Murray

[Slippy]

DWhite in set up mode. Making things happen. Spurs hitting their open threes atleast. Down to 10 again.

Need stops

[Uriel]

I would support giving the head coaching gig to Borrego after Pop retires this summer.

[Slippy]

Pop should of challenged..

[Barfunk]

Had a chance to get it to 8, now down 13.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

:cry ball dont' lie :cry

[poopbox]

We got rid of Lyles just so we could play KBD...who is basically Lyles but a worst shooter :rollin

[Barfunk]

20 Spurs and 1 Hornet under the rim, offensive rebound Hornets.

[Uriel]

Everytime the bench comes in, their lead gets bigger.

[lefty20]

You know you're fucked when even forcing an air ball on D results in the player getting a Kobe assist.

[Dejounte]

This loss is on Keldon, IMO

piss poor wing defense. Hayward is having his way with him

[SPURt]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l1KcRafSq2Zzy5kZi/giphy.gif

[Slippy]

Back over 20.. cant get stops.

[LakerHater]

Bryn Forbes sucks!

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

:lma :lma :lma

CHOO CHOO

Get on the L Train!!!

[td4mvp2k]

tank time :lol

[Slippy]

We got rid of Lyles just so we could play KBD...who is basically Lyles but a worst shooter :rollin

Haha so true. KBD wont grumble though to ensure his min. Has President pops good graces for now .

[poopbox]

This loss is on Keldon, IMO

piss poor wing defense. Hayward is having his way with him

TBH Keldon hasn't added one thing to his game since he "broke out" in the bubble tbh...

I don't completely blame him though because he does not have ANY of the skills you need to be a modern power forward in todays nba and we clearly try and play him like he is a power forward...he is always matched up against someone who is taller, longer, and more athletic than him...

Keldon is probably the best example of our roster construction problem where we got guys like him and McBuckets getting time at the 4 when they are and always have been natural 3's...

We are not going to be an even average basketball team until we figure out the 4 position...Zach Collins is going to be big for this team one way or the other...

[Leetonidas]

Embarrassing

[Uriel]

Alright boys, I'm calling it a night. Hopefully I check the score tomorrow and regret not sticking around, but I doubt it.

[Dejounte]

TBH Keldon hasn't added one thing to his game since he "broke out" in the bubble tbh...

I don't completely blame him though because he does not have ANY of the skills you need to be a modern power forward in todays nba and we clearly try and play him like he is a power forward...he is always matched up against someone who is taller, longer, and more athletic than him...

Keldon is probably the best example of our roster construction problem where we got guys like him and McBuckets getting time at the 4 when they are and always have been natural 3's...

We are not going to be an even average basketball team until we figure out the 4 position...Zach Collins is going to be big for this team one way or the other...

Keldon at the 4 isnt the issue tonight. He’s been matched up with guys he should be able to handle. Hayward, Washington, Bridges… they’re the same size or not much bigger. He’s just not playing very good defense. I wouldn’t even say that it’s because of his lateral quickness or strength… they’re not blowing by him. They’re not pushing him around. They’re not shooting over him. He’s just not playing smart defense, whether if that’s positioning or not knowing where his hands should go.

[spurs10]

Alright boys, I'm calling it a night. Hopefully I check the score tomorrow and regret not sticking around, but I doubt it. Yes I think you're safe.

[Barfunk]

Hornets draining 590 footers, Purdle clanks 2 footer.

[Sugus]

What was that pass :lmao

And I wonder why we don't do alley-oops much...

[spurraider21]

Mormon Hayward going in raw

[poopbox]

What was that pass :lmao

And I wonder why we don't do alley-oops much...

Soon as it happened I knew you would be in here to talk about it :rollin

[LakerHater]

https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/d8/3b/51/ME5MBMD_t.gif (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME5MBMD)

[XDT76]

TBH Keldon hasn't added one thing to his game since he "broke out" in the bubble tbh...

I don't completely blame him though because he does not have ANY of the skills you need to be a modern power forward in todays nba and we clearly try and play him like he is a power forward...he is always matched up against someone who is taller, longer, and more athletic than him...

Keldon is probably the best example of our roster construction problem where we got guys like him and McBuckets getting time at the 4 when they are and always have been natural 3's...

We are not going to be an even average basketball team until we figure out the 4 position...Zach Collins is going to be big for this team one way or the other...

Not only our 4, back up 5 is also our issue. We always like to play undersize average rebounders at our 4 and 5. Even our best rebounding big man (Poeltl) is only average at DR. Have seen it loads of time when our 4 and 5 box out, the opposing teams just rebound the ball over them.

[boutons_deux]

-22 Fg%

[boutons_deux]

--14 RB

[poopbox]

Lonnie needs to be texting Pop like "see what happens when I don't play?" :lmao

[XDT76]

The lack of competent of our 4s and back up 5 also leads to poor interior D and requires the whole team to collapse to prevent penetration leading to opponents have loads of open 3s

[Dejounte]

Energy went up when Landale came in. Too little too late

[Dejounte]

Landale is a big who knows how to play like a big. Eubanks thinks basketball is a jumping contest. Thad does his Diaw impression but isn’t anything close.

Landale is shorter than Eubanks yet provides more interior presence simply by the fact that he barely jumps and knows how to use his body.

[MultiTroll]

Energy went up when Landale came in. Too little too late


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[XDT76]

Landale is a big who knows how to play like a big. Eubanks thinks basketball is a jumping contest. Thad does his Diaw impression but isn’t anything close.

Landale is shorter than Eubanks yet provides more interior presence simply by the fact that he barely jumps and knows how to use his body.

Isn't Landale listed at 6'11 and Eubanks at 6'9? I do not have a chance to see them side by side yet.

[Gibbz]

Wait, LaMelo was out? Holy shit :lmao

[GAustex]

Lack of size
They picked Spurs to death
Reminds me of Pacer game
Embarrassing

[Gibbz]

Lack of size
They picked Spurs to death
Reminds me of Pacer game
Embarrassing

At least that shit was on the road. Entering a 4th quarter trailing 110-83 AT HOME, against Charlotte WITH NO LAMELO, is fucking indefensible. A new low.

[poopbox]

https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/d8/3b/51/ME5MBMD_t.gif (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME5MBMD)

Made Big Body look like Little Body :cry

[Dejounte]

Isn't Landale listed at 6'11 and Eubanks at 6'9? I do not have a chance to see them side by side yet.

Measurements are off, IMO. Landale looks like a Sengun-sized center (maybe slightly bigger) while Eubanks looks physically imposing like Javale Mcgee.

[Dejounte]

https://thumbs4.imagebam.com/d8/3b/51/ME5MBMD_t.gif (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME5MBMD)

Like I said, terrible defense. No reason he should be stretching his body vertical when Hayward isn’t even rising up. If he stayed low to the ground, he wouldn’t get pushed off like that. Awful defensive principles.

[itzsoweezee]

Vassell is averaging 24 minutes per game. That is nowhere near enough. Especially considering that Keldon and Doug are both significantly flawed players.

[Degoat]

Stopped watching after the 1st quarter, was there any positives from the game? Looked like Murray didn’t show up tonight looking at the box score

[Degoat]

Vassell is averaging 24 minutes per game. That is nowhere near enough. Especially considering that Keldon and Doug are both significantly flawed players.

I like Doug, I think he’s important for the team but I would like to see Vassell start over him

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

When's the last time 2 spurs shot 100% on 10 FTs?

[Dejounte]

To solve the 4 issue, they have to find a player who strikes a perfect balance between finesse and strength. Charlotte has all these wide yet suitably lengthy forwards who would have a field day if they went against a shot blocking lanky type forward everyone fantasizes about. The next 4 has to be a guy who is tall, but not too tall that it impacts his lateral quickness and also strong enough to bully guys occasionally. Obviously has to be a shooter, too.

[Degoat]

To solve the 4 issue, they have to find a player who strikes a perfect balance between finesse and strength. Charlotte has all these wide yet suitably lengthy forwards who would have a field day if they went against a shot blocking lanky type forward everyone fantasizes about. The next 4 has to be a guy who is tall, but not too tall that it impacts his lateral quickness and also strong enough to bully guys occasionally. Obviously has to be a shooter, too.

Think there’s a big forward we could trade Thad for, even if it’s just a flier? I’ve always felt felt Kevin Knox might be a good reclamation project but I haven’t watched much of his play lately

[Dejounte]

Think there’s a big forward we could trade Thad for, even if it’s just a flier? I’ve always felt felt Kevin Knox might be a good reclamation project but I haven’t watched much of his play lately

If they could get Cam Reddish, they should. Not that I have strong feelings about Cam reaching his potential, but there’s a flier that makes sense since he was roommates with Tre Jones. The “building block” four will likely come via the draft.

[Dejounte]

Cam fits the current Spurs’ vision of having a PF with wing skills. I reeeeally don’t see them going for any John Collins-type or Myles Turner-type PFs anytime in the near future.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

I don't care how many points Forbes scored, it was ridiculous to see Hornet after Hornet, especially Hayward, take it right to Forbes chest and then jump over him for an easy shot. Throw in all the broken defensive rotations on his part and he needs to have a stellar offensive night just to be a semi positive player.

[Robz4000]

:lmao didn't even make a troll prediction since I thought the Spurs would win easily. Worst loss of the season in a season full of them.

[playbonner15]

Hangover game from Lonnie's party

[John B]

Spurs Injuries: Zach Collins - Out (Foot)
Hornets Injuries: LaMelo Ball - Questionable (Covid-19 Protocols), Mason Plumlee - Questionable (Calf/Return from Covid-19 Protocols), Ish Smith - Questionable (Covid-19 Protocols)

New streak coming up. Spurs by 16pts :flag::flag::flag:

Yup I meant 16pts for the other team :lol

[XDT76]

To solve the 4 issue, they have to find a player who strikes a perfect balance between finesse and strength. Charlotte has all these wide yet suitably lengthy forwards who would have a field day if they went against a shot blocking lanky type forward everyone fantasizes about. The next 4 has to be a guy who is tall, but not too tall that it impacts his lateral quickness and also strong enough to bully guys occasionally. Obviously has to be a shooter, too.

I don't see any competent 4 to be any worse off from what we have now. Even last year's version of luka might better than what we have now, at least on D.

[slick'81]

I mean it would actually be funny if it wasn't the spurs

[RC_Drunkford]

Damn I‘m glad I didn’t even watch 1 second of this game :lmao

I kinda knew this was going to happen. Has Pop ever beaten Borrego yet? Correct me if I‘m wrong, but I think Borrego is like 5-0 against Pop :lol

[slick'81]

Damn I‘m glad I didn’t even watch 1 second of this game :lmao

I kinda knew this was going to happen. Has Pop ever beaten Borrego yet? Correct me if I‘m wrong, but I think Borrego is like 5-0 against Pop :lol

spurs won last February

[tbdog]

If they could get Cam Reddish, they should. Not that I have strong feelings about Cam reaching his potential, but there’s a flier that makes sense since he was roommates with Tre Jones. The “building block” four will likely come via the draft.

Hawks want a 1st so they can avoid eating up dollars and rather stretch out the cost over a rookie deal. I can't think of anything that works for Hawks. Like a Spurs 1st is going to be top 10. It'll take Forbes or Walker to match salaries.

[Slippy]

Isn't Landale listed at 6'11 and Eubanks at 6'9? I do not have a chance to see them side by side yet.

Yes that was his listed height down here in australia playing in the nbl so they both can't be off . Weight 110kg

[offset formation]

Is Landale on the roster tonight? Insane that he can't buy a minute no matter how the Spurs play

It's time to put pop out to pasture. His shtick only works when surrounded by one all time great and two other generational talents. His team plays .333 ball without that benefit and because of his intransigence to play young fresh players, won't ever suck sufficiently to get a top 5 pick.

We're in hell. or at least the transition to hell where nothing changes and players like Primo and Landale have to sell their souls to the dev, err Pop, to get PT.

[CGD]

The Hornets are really good this year, guys. Settle down about this being the worst lose of season etc., that's clearly still the loss to OKC...

[poopbox]

If they could get Cam Reddish, they should. Not that I have strong feelings about Cam reaching his potential, but there’s a flier that makes sense since he was roommates with Tre Jones. The “building block” four will likely come via the draft.

Cam Reddish at the 4 is an awful idea. Spurs need a more traditional sized 4 who can protect the rim so Poeltl isn't playing 1 on 5 in the paint with the only help being DJ and Vassel weak side defense. Someone like Myles Turner would be perfect, although we definitely won't be able to make the best offer the pacers could get for him.

[ICEBARREL]

I saw some articles about Sabonis wanting out of Indiana. If we could possibly land him, would he solve some of our problems?

[poopbox]

It's time to put pop out to pasture. His shtick only works when surrounded by one all time great and two other generational talents. His team plays .333 ball without that benefit and because of his intransigence to play young fresh players, won't ever suck sufficiently to get a top 5 pick.

We're in hell. or at least the transition to hell where nothing changes and players like Primo and Landale have to sell their souls to the dev, err Pop, to get PT.

I agree this team is going nowhere with Pop as the head coach. Just about all of his team building, roster construction, and game minute distribution principles are out dated.

Pop is by far and away the worst in the league when it comes to substitutions. Most of the lineups he puts on the floor are head scratching. He has like...4 lineups where we have exactly one player who can shoot a bunch of 3s.

Hilariously enough when the spurs just shoot league average on attempts and makes from 3...we win the game. When we don't....we lost the game...but we are 27 games in and Pop has not made any real motion to do anything to increase the number of 3's we play...like play a center who is on our team who will shoot open 3's. Would rather play a center who can't do anything but dunk...assuming he doesn't fumble the ball first...

Actually...has Drew played since he made that corner 3 :lol

[Dejounte]

Cam Reddish at the 4 is an awful idea. Spurs need a more traditional sized 4 who can protect the rim so Poeltl isn't playing 1 on 5 in the paint with the only help being DJ and Vassel weak side defense. Someone like Myles Turner would be perfect, although we definitely won't be able to make the best offer the pacers could get for him.

Awful idea or not, it’s what the Spurs have implemented for years and I don’t think they’re going to deviate from that plan. They see a wing-type forward as the future for that PF position, and not the traditional type. The Spurs wish they had a younger Rudy Gay because he’s the exact archetype they’re looking for. The Hawks play Cam at the 4. I don’t think you realize how few teams play guys like Myles Turner at the 4 in the league, and likely for good reason.

[Dejounte]

Top teams in the NBA…

Suns… Jae Crowder at the PF
Jazz… Royce O Neal at the PF
Warriors…Draymond Green at the PF

[XDT76]

Was hoping Pop try Landale at 5 and Young at 4 with Vassel, Jones/Forbes and Walker we would have a quite decent 2nd team.

[KobesAchilles]

I do know that Keldon sucks at the 4. I knew this last year and big surprise it's still the same this year. Dude SHOULD not be playing the 4. Keldon is a bench player. He's a very good bench player too. Vassell is your starter. But I'm ok with giving KJ this year to either figure it out and progress or just remain the same and kinda be who he is currently, a very high end bench player.

Would've been nice though to Have Gordon Hayward on this team. I still say we should've traded for him. Dude would be perfect, absolutely perfect for this team. He would be replacing McBuckets btw so that is obviously a huge upgrade. Gordon can shoot, he moves well off the ball, he can playmake, and he plays just so smart and in the flow of the offense where he won't demand our pound the air out of the ball. He is also decent at defense. But everyone here said he was washed and not worth his contract.

We have exactly 2 positions I would say figured out. Murray at the PG and Vassell at wherever the hell Pop is going to play him. Idk if thats a SG or SF either. What do ya'll think?

[Dex]

I had to check out after around the 2nd quarter...looks like I didn't miss much.

If I'm feeling masochistic later, I'll go back and watch the rest.

[Dex]

Top teams in the NBA…

Suns… Jae Crowder at the PF
Jazz… Royce O Neal at the PF
Warriors…Draymond Green at the PF

Spurs....pretending Johnson is a PF

[Dejounte]

Was hoping Pop try Landale at 5 and Young at 4 with Vassel, Jones/Forbes and Walker we would have a quite decent 2nd team.


I get that Landale having range allows him to work with Young on offense but this is a nightmare idea on defense.

[pad300]

To solve the 4 issue, they have to find a player who strikes a perfect balance between finesse and strength. Charlotte has all these wide yet suitably lengthy forwards who would have a field day if they went against a shot blocking lanky type forward everyone fantasizes about. The next 4 has to be a guy who is tall, but not too tall that it impacts his lateral quickness and also strong enough to bully guys occasionally. Obviously has to be a shooter, too.

It'd be nice to get a perfect fit 4, but anyone who's actually a 4 would improve this team. Mcdermott and Keldon are both physically 3's. KBD is a 3-4 tweener (the bad kind; 3 strength, 4 speed). Hell, Kyle Anderson, who spurstalk whined about, would be a huge improvement over what we have.

[XDT76]

I get that Landale having range allows him to work with Young on offense but this is a nightmare idea on defense.

I understand due to the lack of speed, but probably just run a 2-3 Zone guard the 3s and rim. Our currently defense is not good either.

[LeBowen]

Spurs....pretending Johnson is a PF

Not to mention that Suns have Bridges, Jazz Bogdanovic and Warriors Wiggins starting at the other forward position.
All of them way stronger and more physical than Mcdermott or whoever else Pop throws out there.

[NASpurs]

I feel like Keldon would also suck at the 3 position.

[John B]

I feel like Keldon would also suck at the 3 position.

As much as I like Keldon, he’s a tweener, too short for a PF and too slow laterally for a SF. Spurs should capitalize on his Olympic Gold popularity, rookie contract and cash out, include in a trade package to get a Grant, Sabonis, Simmons or Turner.

[poopbox]

Awful idea or not, it’s what the Spurs have implemented for years and I don’t think they’re going to deviate from that plan. They see a wing-type forward as the future for that PF position, and not the traditional type. The Spurs wish they had a younger Rudy Gay because he’s the exact archetype they’re looking for. The Hawks play Cam at the 4. I don’t think you realize how few teams play guys like Myles Turner at the 4 in the league, and likely for good reason.

I mean if Cam Reddish was that good, there wouldn't be all these reports that say he is available for trade...

And not very many teams play guys like Myles Turner at the 4, because there are not very many Myles Turners in the league. Not very many guys his size who can shoot 3's at a decent volume and make them at a decent volume WHILE also been an upper tier rim protector. You see so many wing sized 4's because there just isn't any other option vs teams specifically playing that way. Either way the spurs have proved to be very bad at this. We were not a good team when we had Demar doing it. We are not a good team now that we have keldon doing it, and we won't be a good team if we somehow get cam reddish to do it.

A young Rudy Gay could be a good 4. A young Rudy Gay was also a fringe all star level player. So I mean yeah if you can put a 6 "8" guy at the 4 who is a near all star caliber player it is going to work. But you put a 6 "8" guy with fringe all star talent anywhere on the floor and it is going to work...so...

If Zach Collins can come back and just make open 3's while somewhat protecting the rim and rebounding at the 4 position, we will be a much better team than we are now with Keldon playing the 4. I assumed this is why we signed Collins in the first place.

[poopbox]

Top teams in the NBA…

Suns… Jae Crowder at the PF
Jazz… Royce O Neal at the PF
Warriors…Draymond Green at the PF

When you have Chris Paul, Devin Booker, and Deandre Ayton, you can get away with putting anybody at the 4...
When you have Rudy Gobert, the multi time DPOY, you can put anybody next to him at the 4...until the playoffs...
When you have a former DPOY and one of the most versatile defenders in nba history, you can put him at the 4 and it be great for your defense...

You think if we traded for Royce O Neal and played him at the 4 we would all of a sudden start winning games and Utah would all of a sudden start losing them? I don't.

[JeffDuncan]

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Would've been nice though to Have Gordon Hayward on this team. I still say we should've traded for him. …



The contract Hayward got is 4 yrs at $30M per, tho. All $120M is guaranteed, and he has a 15% trade kicker. Not many SFs are paid more, and the ones who are, have names like Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Jimmy Butler…

Statistically, over their careers, McDermott is the better shooter, but of course Hayward is easily the more complete player. No question about that. However, you have to pay for it.

Could this Spurs team, as it stands, make good use of Hayward, at that price? I have to doubt it. The Spurs are still last in the league in 3pt attempts, for one thing. Relative to most of the NBA, the Spurs’ offense is broken.

[KobesAchilles]

The contract Hayward got is 4 yrs at $30M per, tho. All $120M is guaranteed, and he has a 15% trade kicker. Not many SFs are paid more, and the ones who are, have names like Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Jimmy Butler…

Statistically, over their careers, McDermott is the better shooter, but of course Hayward is easily the more complete player. No question about that. However, you have to pay for it.

Could this Spurs team, as it stands, make good use of Hayward, at that price? I have to doubt it. The Spurs are still last in the league in 3pt attempts, for one thing. Relative to most of the NBA, the Spurs’ offense is broken.
Our offense isn't broken. We just have zero players who can run it. This is the dummied version of the offense Pop wants to run. For all the talk about the beautiful game, people don't understand that a huge huge part of that offense relied on both Tony and Manu to beat their man off the dribble to initiate a lot of it. We don't have that player.

Now does Gordon Hayward solve that problem? Nope. Not at all. But he does compliment DJ a lot better than Doug in the sense that he can initiate it himself for a little bit and unlike every other player who DJ passes the ball to, Gordon actually knows what to do when he drives the ball. He isn't a bull in the China shop like Keldon. He can get in the teeth of the D unlike Lonnie. He is bigger and stronger than Derrick. He can finish at the hoop with a variety of moves that Devin just doesn't have. And he can create his own shot and for others. Doug can't do that at all.

The offense would look a lot more fluid I believe with a player like Gordon.

[MultiTroll]

Could this Spurs team, as it stands, make good use of Hayward, at that price?
Could Pop send him down to G League to work on things and get over himself?

Pops won 5 titles and an Olympic gold you know.

[pgardn]

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Like I said, terrible defense. No reason he should be stretching his body vertical when Hayward isn’t even rising up. If he stayed low to the ground, he wouldn’t get pushed off like that. Awful defensive principles.



Hold on whoa, whoa...
The bad defense came much earlier.
The crossover had him on his heels and then running for Hayward.
It was over then. This is just horrible footwork very early.

Hayward ramming him back is easy because he is running to get to a spot he cant possible make a stand at. The bump and swipe is useless, the play is already over.

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Is Landale on the roster tonight? Insane that he can't buy a minute no matter how the Spurs play


As much as I like Keldon, he’s a tweener, too short for a PF and too slow laterally for a SF. Spurs should capitalize on his Olympic Gold popularity, rookie contract and cash out, include in a trade package to get a Grant, Sabonis, Simmons or Turner.

or Valanciunas