Phoenix Looking at Young for Trade

[bluebellmaniac]

I'd do this trade in a minute.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/arizonasports.com/story/2919567/espn-draws-path-for-suns-to-acquire-spurs-thaddeus-young-in-trade/amp/

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Thank you for your service thad

[Rocalcio]

That’s a lot of picks, go for it !

[exstatic]

That’s a lot of picks, go for it !

We’re taking on a chunk of useless salary this year in Saric, and if his recovery mirrors DJs from his ACL, he won’t be very good next year. Also not a fan of Smith, and neither are the Suns. They declined his year 3 option after one season of play. If you think of this as a salary dump for them, the picks make sense, and the deal shouldn’t be done without them.

Thread title is also misleading. This is some internet goobers throwing spaghetti at the wall.

ESPN draws path for Suns to acquire Spurs’ Thaddeus Young in trade

[CGD]

Of course you do that trade.

[JeffDuncan]

Saric is out for the season because of his ACL injury. The Spurs already have a big who’s on medical rehab, they don’t need another one.

Jalen Smith was a high draft pick, in 2020, but he’s hardly played. Statistically, his shooting looks like trash, but the stats are so skimpy you can’t tell. For the Spurs he’d be instant G league fodder, just to see if he might have anything to offer.

That trade idea is basically a way for the Suns to dump their unwanted junk on a gullible sucker. Paging Brian Wright.

The draft picks are of some interest, however, this is another covid year. Players can be held out on the protocols. Draft picks are no good for fortifying current rosters. The covid situation diminishes the value of draft picks in relation to active players, especially when teams are looking toward a playoff run this year.

It isn’t good enough.

[exstatic]

Saric is out for the season because of his ACL injury. The Spurs already have a big who’s on medical rehab, they don’t need another one.

Jalen Smith was a high draft pick, in 2020, but he’s hardly played. Statistically, his shooting looks like trash, but the stats are so skimpy you can’t tell. For the Spurs he’d be instant G league fodder, just to see if he might have anything to offer.

That trade idea is basically a way for the Suns to dump their unwanted junk on a gullible sucker. Paging Brian Wright.

The draft picks are of some interest, however, this is another covid year. Players can be held out on the protocols. Draft picks are no good for fortifying current rosters. The covid situation diminishes the value of draft picks in relation to active players, especially when teams are looking toward a playoff run this year.

It isn’t good enough.

Spurs are 100% vaxxed, and we’ve only had one player go on protocols, so, at least 15 players, including our two 2ways, available for almost every game, barring a couple of minor injuries. Not really a consideration for us, in spite of the fact that 50 NBA players have gone into protocols this month. A bigger consideration would be two players, Zollins and Saric, unable to play. Supposedly, Zollins should be ready in some vaguely specified period of time known as After Christmas.

If they were truly offering this, I’d have to take a long look. I don’t believe they are, though. Probably offering one or two seconds. That first would have to be lightly protected, too. Maybe 1-10 in 2024, 1-8 in 2025, top4 in 2026 and 2027, then two seconds.

[Seventyniner]

Saric might be interesting next year but is dead money this year. Worse than Zollins, at least that guy has a chance to play this season.

Smith is a reclamation project, sad for a player his age. He plays the position the Spurs are thin at but he's not very good. According to Hoopshype's team salary page he's a UFA after this season, so even if he blows up the Spurs would have to pay up to keep him and wouldn't have RFA matching rights. That makes Smith a much harder sell for me.

Top-8 is about the least protection the Spurs can expect on a 2024 first, and the 2025 second has the potential to be good because Paul will likely be out of the league or have gone severely downhill by then.

The Spurs would also have to send out a second player so they don't hit yet another roster crunch. I don't know if adding Forbes pushes the trade beyond acceptable salary limits; Saric + Smith is $13M, Young + Forbes is $18.9M. That could also push Phoenix into the tax, and if it does the deal's off. The alternative is to take Forbes out of the deal and just waive him afterwards instead. I guess that would work. If Forbes were somehow on the roster after this trade I will fucking scream.

Overall it's a meh deal. Cashing in the Spurs' most valuable trade chip for that package would be disappointing.

[exstatic]

Saric might be interesting next year but is dead money this year. Worse than Zollins, at least that guy has a chance to play this season.

Smith is a reclamation project, sad for a player his age. He plays the position the Spurs are thin at but he's not very good. According to Hoopshype's team salary page he's a UFA after this season, so even if he blows up the Spurs would have to pay up to keep him and wouldn't have RFA matching rights. That makes Smith a much harder sell for me.

Top-8 is about the least protection the Spurs can expect on a 2024 first, and the 2025 second has the potential to be good because Paul will likely be out of the league or have gone severely downhill by then.

The Spurs would also have to send out a second player so they don't hit yet another roster crunch. I don't know if adding Forbes pushes the trade beyond acceptable salary limits; Saric + Smith is $13M, Young + Forbes is $18.9M. That could also push Phoenix into the tax, and if it does the deal's off. The alternative is to take Forbes out of the deal and just waive him afterwards instead. I guess that would work. If Forbes were somehow on the roster after this trade I will fucking scream.

Overall it's a meh deal. Cashing in the Spurs' most valuable trade chip for that package would be disappointing.

Smith is salary ballast. The interesting thing is, that if he were to blow up, we have cap-room next summer. Not likely, though. I’m wondering if the Spurs are waiting on Zollins health evaluation to move on trades for Young. I don’t think PHO wants any other players, but if Zollins were to check out, you could waive one of KBD or Eubanks, as neither is due guaranteed money after this season. Smith and Zollins could absorb those bench and garbage time minutes.

[Leetonidas]

It's only worth it if they cough up a 1st. Without a 1st rounder, no combo of Saric and Smith is worth trading Young for imho, rather just let him walk at the end of the season

[duncan2150]

I liked Smith during draft process, he did'nt pan out , and now we have Collins ( we'll see if he'll be healty) who is a better version of him. Saric will kill us 9 million of our cap space. Smith is a FA and you need to cut a player.

I really think that's not a good deal for us, the only good thing is the pick.

[duncan2150]

Spurs could have nearly 20 millions of cap, with saric it will only be 10-11 millions.

[slick'81]

Haven't we heard this bs before?

[duncan2150]

Haven't we heard this bs before?

from last summer to today lol

I really think that Phoenix wants this trade but SA with the Saric Contract, the lack of interest for smith with Collins, the need of cutting a player is not too inclined to do it.

[Texas_Ranger]

Spurs could have nearly 20 millions of cap, with saric it will only be 10-11 millions.

we can have 100M in cap and you know they would be spending it on shit.

[mo7888]

I'd do this trade in a minute.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/arizonasports.com/story/2919567/espn-draws-path-for-suns-to-acquire-spurs-thaddeus-young-in-trade/amp/

Yep....definitely do that iteration of the trade... Saric could be usable next year. Even though he's recovering his game doesn't rely on athleticism as much as someone like DJ and even if he's not useable moving him as an expiringwon't be difficult. Smith has a chance to show he belongs this season and if he fails you move on... really like this trade idea...

[tbdog]

Hasn't this deal been on the table from the beginning?

[Seventyniner]

Smith is salary ballast. The interesting thing is, that if he were to blow up, we have cap-room next summer. Not likely, though. I’m wondering if the Spurs are waiting on Zollins health evaluation to move on trades for Young. I don’t think PHO wants any other players, but if Zollins were to check out, you could waive one of KBD or Eubanks, as neither is due guaranteed money after this season. Smith and Zollins could absorb those bench and garbage time minutes.

The Spurs would have Smith's Bird rights so cap space wouldn't be an issue in retaining him. It would eat into space for other free agents, but if the Spurs are willing to eat Saric's salary for next year then I think they wouldn't care too much about 2022 cap space.

Waiving KBD or Eubanks might make more basketball sense, but I really want Forbes off the team.

[slick'81]

from last summer to today lol

I really think that Phoenix wants this trade but SA with the Saric Contract, the lack of interest for smith with Collins, the need of cutting a player is not too inclined to do it.


yea,seems the future first is the only reason to consider it. Since phoenix will still have booker/ayton that will definitely be a late first. Still probably best pick they could acquire for thaddeus. Its not a great deal but definitely not terrible i guess

[FutureMan]

The Spurs would have Smith's Bird rights so cap space wouldn't be an issue in retaining him. It would eat into space for other free agents, but if the Spurs are willing to eat Saric's salary for next year then I think they wouldn't care too much about 2022 cap space.

Waiving KBD or Eubanks might make more basketball sense, but I really want Forbes off the team.

I’m thinking KBD or Eubanks could be part of the Young trade.

As for Forbes there are contenders that should be interested. If he doesn’t get traded maybe he can pass Leonard on the Spurs top 10 3 pointers made list.

[Leetonidas]

This proposed deal has come up a few times and i'm not a fan. the only upside is we'd be getting two PFs and that is clearly our weakest position but the guys we'd be trading for havent proven to be starting level guys anyway.

Like i said before, unless we can get them to cough up a 1st rounder, its not worth it

[Chomag]

Meh, its not good but would it be better then just letting him walk for nothing? This team has been doing that lately and we could at least get some picks to work with.

However those pics would be just to Improve the Austin team of course lol

[DAF86]

Meh, its not good but would it be better then just letting him walk for nothing? This team has been doing that lately and we could at least get some picks to work with.

However those pics would be just to Improve the Austin team of course lol

How is that not a good trade? The picks alone make it good.

[Chomag]

How is that not a good trade? The picks alone make it good.
No, I agree that the pick would be pretty enticing, but I was just looking at it as a whole.

[jermaine]

Is there a way we can get Sabonis, Sun's get Thad, an Pacers get Keldon, Saric, an a pick or something?

[CGD]

No, I agree that the pick would be pretty enticing, but I was just looking at it as a whole.

The FRP is the prize for Thad, while the second + chance to see Smith for a year is the sweetener for Saric dead money

[Rocalcio]

We’re taking on a chunk of useless salary this year in Saric, and if his recovery mirrors DJs from his ACL, he won’t be very good next year. Also not a fan of Smith, and neither are the Suns. They declined his year 3 option after one season of play. If you think of this as a salary dump for them, the picks make sense, and the deal shouldn’t be done without them.

Thread title is also misleading. This is some internet goobers throwing spaghetti at the wall.

ESPN draws path for Suns to acquire Spurs’ Thaddeus Young in trade

Smith is young and plays PF so it would definitely fit our needs, if he's not good then he's just gone, not a big risk. I'm not counting on Saric so if he comes back to an average level playing 10-15 minutes that would be a bonus. We're talking about trading Young, a guy who doesn't play a lot with Pop, anything for him is valuable. And picks can be valuable too.

[Mr. Body]

This is the same deal people were suggesting back in August. Then ESPN came up with it like it was their own idea.

[exstatic]

I liked Smith during draft process, he did'nt pan out , and now we have Collins ( we'll see if he'll be healty) who is a better version of him. Saric will kill us 9 million of our cap space. Smith is a FA and you need to cut a player.

I really think that's not a good deal for us, the only good thing is the pick.

Two picks proposed.

[exstatic]

The Spurs would have Smith's Bird rights so cap space wouldn't be an issue in retaining him. It would eat into space for other free agents, but if the Spurs are willing to eat Saric's salary for next year then I think they wouldn't care too much about 2022 cap space.

Waiving KBD or Eubanks might make more basketball sense, but I really want Forbes off the team.

According to some, we would have no Bird OR matching rights, and he would be unrestricted.

[exstatic]

This is the same deal people were suggesting back in August. Then ESPN came up with it like it was their own idea.

No one I saw has a second round pick included.

[duncan2150]

How is that not a good trade? The picks alone make it good.


Because you will have 10 millions of cap space instead of 20 millions. If we value Smith and Saric it's a good deal.

I'm not sure that giving that much of cap space for a 24' pick is that good.

[Seventyniner]

According to some, we would have no Bird OR matching rights, and he would be unrestricted.

Looking at it again, I think you're right. This is only Smith's second year so the Spurs would have Early Bird rights which would let the Spurs exceed the cap to sign him up to 104.5% of the average salary (is this equal to or around the MLE?). But the Spurs should have enough cap space that won't matter.

With Smith's 3rd year option already declined he should be unrestricted.

[Mr. Body]

No one I saw has a second round pick included.

Wow, so a sports scribbler added a second. Amazing.

[BackHome]

I would do the pick for just the draft pick alone - People mention cap well what did we do with money we had this past off seaon - Aminu, Collins, and Young.......2022 going to be the same type of players we get as free agents

[Fusternino]

Remember when Saric was a piece in Kawhi trades? Haha.

So if Zollins is healthy, we move Eubanks along with Young to match roster spots?

[Dverde]

Remember when Saric was a piece in Kawhi trades? Haha.

So if Zollins is healthy, we move Eubanks along with Young to match roster spots?

No way they trade Eubanks, he is their pet project. Watch as they demote Zollins under Eubanks.

[bluebellmaniac]

I don't think Zollins minutes are anything significant this year, out of a sheer abundance of caution.

[KingKev]

Wow, so a sports scribbler added a second. Amazing.

haha Ex has his ear to the street so must be an error. Ex makes guys that scribble reputable.

[Dejounte]

Thaddeus Young isn’t a major trade domino, and the Spurs don’t like to do midseason deals, so he may end up on the buyout market instead. But teams will be calling about him, and San Antonio should act if there’s a draft asset on the table (https://theathletic.com/3041955/2021/12/30/nba-trade-season-primer-ben-simmons-collin-sexton-and-other-players-wholl-dictate-the-2022-deadline/?source=rss).
1 day ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1609913/) – via John Hollinger @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3041955/2021/12/30/nba-trade-season-primer-ben-simmons-collin-sexton-and-other-players-wholl-dictate-the-2022-deadline/?source=rss)

IMO, the Spurs don’t like to do midseason deals when it involves players with tenure or leadership in the locker room. I don’t think there’s any attachment there and Young is a unique case compared to past Spurs’ players in that there’s nothing about him that makes it difficult to trade him away. He’s still SOMEWHAT playable even though he’s a liability because he can’t shoot 3’s and is an undersized center. The only factor here is if the Spurs would prefer a redundant 2nd round pick or would they prefer to have nothing at all. If the Spurs want anything more, then THAT’s where I see an issue would come from as it would force them to include a player they are attached to (for better or for worse). Before the season started, I couldn’t see Eubanks included because of his relationship with Keldon but he has fallen so far after the Spurs have squeezed everything out of him that his ceiling as a player has been exposed.

[BackHome]

For the Suns I don't know which is more important to them getting Saric off the books or getting Young to help their chances with winning a ring - Me thinks it's both....

As far as what we giving up for that I think Eubanks, Forbes, and obviously Young is what we looking at giving up.

What we getting back should be Smith - I don't care about Zollins until he shows he has fully recovered from TWO broken ankles and plays a full healthy season he is just a big gamble. Try out Smith and if he doesn't work out no loss

With us taking on Saric deal the Suns can have room to get better next season but that is going to cost them giving us Smith and a 1st. I like a first protected and a second round, but I don't want those picks until 2024 by then Paul will be either a shell of himself or gone either way the head of the snake will be gone and the snake will die so should be a decent pick

[JeffDuncan]

IMO, the Spurs don’t like to do midseason deals when it involves players with tenure or leadership in the locker room. I don’t think there’s any attachment there and Young is a unique case compared to past Spurs’ players in that there’s nothing about him that makes it difficult to trade him away. He’s still SOMEWHAT playable even though he’s a liability because he can’t shoot 3’s …



That’s incorrect, tho. Thad has some decent 3pt shooting ability.

With the Pacers, 3 seasons, 2016-‘19, 154 of 445, .346. Not great, but not horrible.

His first year with the Bulls, 2019-20, 79 of 222, .356. Not a league leader, but again, not horrible. The defense couldn’t ignore him at the arc.

He’s certainly playable in the right situation, where a team can use him at PF.

[Fusternino]

Yeah Young can shoot the 3 he's just got a Diawesque case of avoidance or is just in Pop's doghouse.

[Kevin]

For the Suns I don't know which is more important to them getting Saric off the books or getting Young to help their chances with winning a ring - Me thinks it's both....

As far as what we giving up for that I think Eubanks, Forbes, and obviously Young is what we looking at giving up.

What we getting back should be Smith - I don't care about Zollins until he shows he has fully recovered from TWO broken ankles and plays a full healthy season he is just a big gamble. Try out Smith and if he doesn't work out no loss

With us taking on Saric deal the Suns can have room to get better next season but that is going to cost them giving us Smith and a 1st. I like a first protected and a second round, but I don't want those picks until 2024 by then Paul will be either a shell of himself or gone either way the head of the snake will be gone and the snake will die so should be a decent pick

The Suns will still just roll the dice on a buyout. At this point Thad is mostly C and with Ayton on the team the most he'll play in the playoffs is about 10-12 minutes a game. And again Phoenix still has a really good shot at getting him without giving up assets.

[JeffDuncan]

Yeah Young can shoot the 3 he's just got a Diawesque case of avoidance or is just in Pop's doghouse.


With Poeltl at center there aren’t any plays where the center shoots a three. So in the games when Thad was just plugged in as Poeltl’s backup there weren’t any 3pt plays for him.

[Dejounte]

That’s incorrect, tho. Thad has some decent 3pt shooting ability.

With the Pacers, 3 seasons, 2016-‘19, 154 of 445, .346. Not great, but not horrible.

His first year with the Bulls, 2019-20, 79 of 222, .356. Not a league leader, but again, not horrible. The defense couldn’t ignore him at the arc.

He’s certainly playable in the right situation, where a team can use him at PF.


Yeah Young can shoot the 3 he's just got a Diawesque case of avoidance or is just in Pop's doghouse.

445 three pointers in a span of three years is 1-2 three pointers a game. For his entire career, he's never shot more than 1.3 three pointers a game. That's not going to change as a 35 year old. Listing out his 3 pt percentages while ignoring his 3 pt rate is extremely weird. He's not suddenly going to shift into a reliable 3 pt shooter even if your game plan is to make him shoot more 3's. Handing a player more 3's on the basis that he shoots them at an OK percentage on low volume does not always equate into OK percentages on higher volume. There's a reason he's never played that way his entire career and even if you think that there's a "Spurs effect" going on with Thaddeus this year, you can look no further than last year when he barely shot a SINGLE 3 a game for the Bulls.

This fantasy of thinking any undersized center can play the four has to stop. There's a reason they're playing center. It's either they're too slow or they can't shoot 3's. Many folks can't admit that one of these two apply to those centers they're fantasizing about playing the four. And this includes Landale. Even if you thought Thaddeus Young could play the four if you fed him more 3's, then I'm not sure you've watched a minute of Spurs basketball with him on the floor as there are so many occasions when the opponent has taken advantage of Young's lack of quickness due to old age.

[JeffDuncan]

445 three pointers in a span of three years is 1-2 three pointers a game. For his entire career, he's never shot more than 1.3 three pointers a game. That's not going to change as a 35 year old. Listing out his 3 pt percentages while ignoring his 3 pt rate is extremely weird. …



What was extremely weird was your uninformed assertion that Thad “can’t” shoot 3s.

The truth is, he can.

Be honest, as you begin the new year.

[John B]

With Covid I think Spurs are keeping him for insurance

[Dejounte]

What was extremely weird was your uninformed assertion that Thad “can’t” shoot 3s.

The truth is, he can.

Be honest, as you begin the new year.

If you think shooting 35% on ~1.5 three point attempts is an indicator of someone who can shoot 3’s given the fact that that is the same percentage and 3 pt rate as DJ in his 2019-2020 season and DeMar last year when NO Spurs fan thought either player could shoot 3’s during those years, even to the point of ridiculing those two for being terrible 3 pt shooters…. then be my guest.

[JeffDuncan]

If you think shooting 35% on ~1.5 three point attempts is an indicator of someone who can shoot 3’s …



Yep, that’s somebody who “can” shoot 3s. Poeltl is somebody who can’t.

And you know it.

[Dejounte]

I forgot I was arguing with the king of arguing semantics and that this is another pointless exercise.

[JeffDuncan]

I forgot I was arguing with the king of arguing semantics and that this is another pointless exercise.


Sure, go ahead and whine about what “can’t” means. And try to claim that when you make a mistake it must be somebody else’s fault. And run away.

Everybody makes mistakes. It isn’t that important. The way to handle it, is just say “oops.” No need for all that schoolgirl drama.

[Dejounte]

Jesus Christ :lmao FutureMan come in here for some PTSD flashbacks of this guy babbling on and on

[John B]

Adrian Wojnarowski: ESPN Sources: The Phoenix Suns plan to sign free agent C Bismack Biyombo on a 10-day hardship deal. (https://hoopshype.com/social/)Biyombo, who started 41 games for Charlotte last year, brings some size and strength to Suns’ frontline depth. Deal could be prelude to a longer stay this season.

Yup this could end the Thad-to-Suns story. Welcome back Thad :lol

[Degoat]

In my opinion Thad’s value as an assets complete vanished when he stepped foot on the court for the spurs. Teams aren’t going to trade value for an old Forward. Only a miracle can happen now otherwise he gets bought out.

[Dverde]

Adrian Wojnarowski: ESPN Sources: The Phoenix Suns plan to sign free agent C Bismack Biyombo on a 10-day hardship deal. (https://hoopshype.com/social/)Biyombo, who started 41 games for Charlotte last year, brings some size and strength to Suns’ frontline depth. Deal could be prelude to a longer stay this season.

Yup this could end the Thad-to-Suns story. Welcome back Thad :lol

Not really. Thad could still get a buy out and go there.

[duncan2150]

Byombo is here for C insurance, i think they see Young as a PF. They already have Ayton and Mcgee at the five and they are good.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Byombo is here for C insurance, i think they see Young as a PF. They already have Ayton and Mcgee at the five and they are good.

exactly.

Ayton is out due to COVID-19 if I’m not mistaken, so that is why Biyombo got the 10 day deal

Ayton and McGee have played well for Phoenix this season so if the rumors are true about them wanting Thad Young it has to be because they think he can play 4 on their roster and not the 5

[duncan2150]

exactly.

Ayton is out due to COVID-19 if I’m not mistaken, so that is why Biyombo got the 10 day deal

Ayton and McGee have played well for Phoenix this season so if the rumors are true about them wanting Thad Young it has to be because they think he can play 4 on their roster and not the 5


Yes both Ayton and McGee are out due to covid protocols.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Yes both Ayton and McGee are out due to covid protocols.

makes even more sense.

I seen Jalen Smith got good minutes last night. Both of theirs guys being out is no doubt the reason why he got those minutes.

he put up good counting stars but I didn’t watch the game so I don’t know how much of an impact his numbers truly had though.

[TD 21]

Since Young next to rim running fives is untenable (which is why he's played the five here), the Suns more than likely view him as a small ball five alternative to McGee for a potential Warriors, Bucks or Nets series.

That's primarily why I never bought the Young for a 1st talk. Grant being worth more is a given, but Kenrich Williams probably is too. Hart and Covington are other options if they become available.

[FutureMan]

Jesus Christ :lmao FutureMan (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=43691) come in here for some PTSD flashbacks of this guy babbling on and on

PTSD flashback complete.

I can’t believe he’s now arguing about Young being a respectable or even a average 3 point shooter. Madness.

[gambit1990]

bismack will remain with the suns.

[gambit1990]

shot 5 for 7 today. the spurs should've take a flyer on him tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjXNEhzw2ZU

[R. DeMurre]

445 three pointers in a span of three years is 1-2 three pointers a game. For his entire career, he's never shot more than 1.3 three pointers a game. That's not going to change as a 35 year old.


Where are you getting your numbers? Thad has averaged more than 1.3 3ptFGA per game ten times in his career. His highest number of 3ptFGA per game came in the '13-'14 season, where he took 3.7 per game. Next was the '19-'20 season, where he took 3.5 3ptFGA per game. After that, there are eight other seasons where he had at least 1.4 attempts per game. Also, he's 33... not 35. He doesn't turn 34 until June 21st-- 6 months from now.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngth01.html

[JeffDuncan]

I’m like a little girl!


I noticed.

[JeffDuncan]

PTSD flashback complete.

I can’t believe he’s now arguing about Young being a respectable or even a average 3 point shooter. Madness.

Hey, little boy, how ya doing? Lol

Are you agreeing with Dejounte that Thad CAN’T shoot 3s? That’s what he wrote. You think that, too, do you?

[LakerHater]

bismack runnin P&R insteada Poeltl woulda been something :depressed

[KingKev]

shot 5 for 7 today. the spurs should've take a flyer on him tbh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjXNEhzw2ZU

on Biyombo? We have 5 centres and a full roster. This isn’t musical chairs.

[gambit1990]

on Biyombo? We have 5 centres and a full roster. This isn’t musical chairs.
there's zero reason to have eubanks over biyombo.

[KingKev]

there's zero reason to have eubanks over biyombo.

Switching the 12th man for another 12th man is just stupid. I agree Eubanks probably isn’t NBA talent but he is hardly the problem.

[offset formation]

there's zero reason to have eubanks over biyombo.

there may be zero reason to have taken a center back in the demar trade had we just kept chimeze. he is a starting center on a team with a better record than ours after all.

If we trotted out some rotation of Poeltl, Chimeze, and Jock, we might have a complete center amalgamation.

[BackHome]

We’re OK at Center we need to get a starting PF ASAP

[KingKev]

there may be zero reason to have taken a center back in the demar trade had we just kept chimeze. he is a starting center on a team with a better record than ours after all.

If we trotted out some rotation of Poeltl, Chimeze, and Jock, we might have a complete center amalgamation.

For fucks sake. I heard Ayers went 5-7 in the g-league version of Ice Cube’s league. He is the absolute protege of the new era of basketball. KD like even but once again PATFO fumbled the ball worse than Ayres himself. 5-7 and a GAME WINNER!!! Some of ya’ll probably still texting the girl who gave you a phone number 19 years ago.

[BatManu20]

We’re OK at Center we need to get a starting PF ASAP

Spurs need to tank for their next starting PF tbh. Only way this team is going to get a difference maker is through the draft lottery, not some random FA signing.

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For fucks sake. I heard Ayers went 5-7 in the g-league version of Ice Cube’s league. He is the absolute protege of the new era of basketball. KD like even but once again PATFO fumbled the ball worse than Ayres himself. 5-7 and a GAME WINNER!!! Some of ya’ll probably still texting the girl who gave you a phone number 19 years ago.

ok king, go off. lol.

Is he better than Eubanks, yes or no?

Now take your medicine.

[Leetonidas]

there may be zero reason to have taken a center back in the demar trade had we just kept chimeze. he is a starting center on a team with a better record than ours after all.

If we trotted out some rotation of Poeltl, Chimeze, and Jock, we might have a complete center amalgamation.

You're kidding right:lmao

[KingKev]

ok king, go off. lol.

Is he better than Eubanks, yes or no?

Now take your medicine.

Oh man some ppl are so simple they don’t deserve to be medicated.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Where are you getting your numbers? Thad has averaged more than 1.3 3ptFGA per game ten times in his career. His highest number of 3ptFGA per game came in the '13-'14 season, where he took 3.7 per game. Next was the '19-'20 season, where he took 3.5 3ptFGA per game. After that, there are eight other seasons where he had at least 1.4 attempts per game. Also, he's 33... not 35. He doesn't turn 34 until June 21st-- 6 months from now.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngth01.html

But other than that you agree, don't you?

[MultiTroll]

Why exactly could Young not play vs Detroit, the New Years Day Farce?

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Oh man some ppl are so simple they don’t deserve to be medicated.

You drive a dodge, huh?

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You're kidding right:lmao

that chimeze is better than Eubanks? no, no I'm not.

[FutureMan]

Hey, little boy, how ya doing? Lol

Are you agreeing with Dejounte that Thad CAN’T shoot 3s? That’s what he wrote. You think that, too, do you?

14 seasons. 33%. Not good enough in my eyes at least. Maybe your standards are lower though so that could be the issue.

[Joseph Kony]

that chimeze is better than Eubanks? no, no I'm not.

Not only is it hilarious to pine for Metu as the third C but your take is flat out wrong, and I'm a Eubanks hater :lol are you basing this off of metu playing hard in 1 game vs SA then hitting a wide open game winner recently or what?

let's see...

Per 36:

Metu: 14/10/1bpg 40fg%
Drew: 14/12/2pg 50fg%

PER:

Metu: 12.8
Drew: 15.4

WS:

Metu: 0.6
Drew: 0.9

ORTG:

Metu: 99
Drew: 106

DRTG:

Metu: 109
Drew: 105

TS%:

Metu: .489
Drew: .504




Drew edges his out in pretty much every relevant category :lol

They're both trash players. arguing about whether it would be better the Spurs have one scrub over the other is completely pointless :lol

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Not only is it hilarious to pine for Metu as the third C but your take is flat out wrong, and I'm a Eubanks hater :lol are you basing this off of metu playing hard in 1 game vs SA then hitting a wide open game winner recently or what?

let's see...

Per 36:

Metu: 14/10/1bpg 40fg%
Drew: 14/12/2pg 50fg%

PER:

Metu: 12.8
Drew: 15.4

WS:

Metu: 0.6
Drew: 0.9

ORTG:

Metu: 99
Drew: 106

DRTG:

Metu: 109
Drew: 105

TS%:

Metu: .489
Drew: .504




Drew edges his out in pretty much every relevant category :lol

They're both trash players. arguing about whether it would be better the Spurs have one scrub over the other is completely pointless :lol

I'm basing it off the fact he's a more fluid athlete with a much more fluid jumpshot. Drew gets lots of buckets on PnR with the Spurs. If you watch the Kings ever, you'll see that Chimeze is asked to play more FT line extended and they do far fewer PnRs with him. He'd have better numbers in the Spurs system and you know that. Also, he has been starting lately and playing crunch time for them so Alvin Gentry seems to find his game to be worthy of exploring.

My point isn't in arguing for Chimeze necessarily, it's much moreso arguing that our trade to Chicago unnecessarily and idiotically netted us a center that's riding the bench like either Metu could, or that Eubanks currently does. So we have a disgruntled bench player whom they have now completely trashed his value. If you were going to get anything approaching value he needed to be moved or played. We've done neither. Now we just have a depreciating asset and poor PR with future free agents.

Spurs would quite demonstrably have been better off with Metu.

Yay PATFO!

Please tell me you get that. This isn't hard.

[John B]

You know it’s gotten so low in ST when posters are arguing Metu over Ewwbanks :lmao

[Rocalcio]

Smith is getting minutes and making the most of it, we need to stop dreaming about getting a pick with him.

[duncan2150]

Smith is getting minutes and making the most of it, we need to stop dreaming about getting a pick with him.


imo the pick ( if there is a pick) is or was about saric contract. You will not take Smith with his fa status plus the contract of an injured saric for nothing....

[KingKev]

You drive a dodge, huh?

You have too much pride to ride the short bus but judging by your posts you should give it a try. They have short buses with german badges now… great for your kind. Like real fancy shit.

[KingKev]

I'm basing it off the fact he's a more fluid athlete with a much more fluid jumpshot. Drew gets lots of buckets on PnR with the Spurs. If you watch the Kings ever, you'll see that Chimeze is asked to play more FT line extended and they do far fewer PnRs with him. He'd have better numbers in the Spurs system and you know that. Also, he has been starting lately and playing crunch time for them so Alvin Gentry seems to find his game to be worthy of exploring.

My point isn't in arguing for Chimeze necessarily, it's much moreso arguing that our trade to Chicago unnecessarily and idiotically netted us a center that's riding the bench like either Metu could, or that Eubanks currently does. So we have a disgruntled bench player whom they have now completely trashed his value. If you were going to get anything approaching value he needed to be moved or played. We've done neither. Now we just have a depreciating asset and poor PR with future free agents.

Spurs would quite demonstrably have been better off with Metu.

Yay PATFO!

Please tell me you get that. This isn't hard.

Our trade with Chicago leased cap space that would have other gone unused. We received a first round pick and a possible trade chip in Thad. I don’t agree with much of what PATFO does these days but do you even understand anything I just wrote?

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You know it’s gotten so low in ST when posters are arguing Metu over Ewwbanks :lmao

Im arguing the trade that netted us a bench center was laughable given we could have had that with Metu.

[offset formation]

Our trade with Chicago leased cap space that would have other gone unused. We received a first round pick and a possible trade chip in Thad. I don’t agree with much of what PATFO does these days but do you even understand anything I just wrote?

We didnt get a first for Thad. We got a first for Demar who is more than paying them back. We got a second for taking Thad. And he could and should have immediately been rolled for another second (or first if you listen to ST), rather than having a very expensive bench accessory. PATFO could and should have requested a different trade asset than Thad if their plans were to keep and bench him, making him the 4th center off the bench.

If you don't get that, i pity you.

[itzsoweezee]

Our trade with Chicago leased cap space that would have other gone unused. We received a first round pick and a possible trade chip in Thad. I don’t agree with much of what PATFO does these days but do you even understand anything I just wrote?

Of all the terrible things the front office has done the past few years, the Chicago trade is not one of them. However, I would not be surprised if they are unable to get any assets in exchange for Thad. They’ve been that incompetent.

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You have too much pride to ride the short bus but judging by your posts you should give it a try. They have short buses with german badges now… great for your kind. Like real fancy shit.

So I'm a nazi? Thats the worst and most pathetic effort of invoking Godwin's law in the history of human communication. Truly, I pity you.

[Kevin]

Packaging Thad with the Pistons pick and moving up into the mid to late first might make sense for a contender. Add a useful bench big for a modest move down while still having a decent pick come draft day.


I'd almost rather do that than acquiring a 2023 protected second pick that will fall at like the 50th pick.

[Kevin]

Also a second round pick swap with the Cavs makes a lot of sense as well. Cleveland controls the Rocket's second rounder so maybe the Spurs package Thad with Lakers second in exchange for the Houston second. That would be about a a 12 pick move up in the second round.

[KingKev]

Goose egged tonight. Buyout imminent.

[the golden era]

Anyone watch Byombo the last two games. Holy shit what a revelation. No way they trade for Thad now.

[gambit1990]

Switching the 12th man for another 12th man is just stupid. I agree Eubanks probably isn’t NBA talent but he is hardly the problem.
i was right about biyombo. he's not a 12th man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vKwMkmOgI

[offset formation]

Goose egged tonight. Buyout imminent.

So what you're saying is what another awesome PATFO move, amiright?

Like I said above, and which you now seem to be agreeing with, trading for and keeping Thad was a tremendous blunder if we end up buying him out. He should have been rolled for another 2nd and washed our hands of him. Now they're gonna most likely have to negotiate a buyout or keep paying a 14 yr vet 14.5 MILLION to be your 4th center.

Lmao, PATFO deserves no respect for their recent failures but a few of you guys seem willing to slob their knob at all costs.

[KingKev]

So what you're saying is what another awesome PATFO move, amiright?

Like I said above, and which you now seem to be agreeing with, trading for and keeping Thad was a tremendous blunder if we end up buying him out. He should have been rolled for another 2nd and washed our hands of him. Now they're gonna most likely have to negotiate a buyout or keep paying a 14 yr vet 14.5 MILLION to be your 4th center.

Lmao, PATFO deserves no respect for their recent failures but a few of you guys seem willing to slob their knob at all costs.

I’ve argued Thad would be bought out since September. I am not a proponent of PATFO in their current capacity and have not been for years. Renting cap space out for draft capital is a smart move however and have also been on record saying I hope we can do it better in the coming years.

My disagreement with you and gambit is arguing Metu vs Eubanks vs Biyombo vs Mengke Bateer or Frank Brickowski is just a fking stupid conversation to begin with.

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I’ve argued Thad would be bought out since September. I am not a proponent of PATFO in their current capacity and have not been for years. Renting cap space out for draft capital is a smart move however and have also been on record saying I hope we can do it better in the coming years.

My disagreement with you and gambit is arguing Metu vs Eubanks vs Biyombo vs Mengke Bateer or Frank Brickowski is just a fking stupid conversation to begin with.

We'll be lucky to get a low 2nd for him now. Buyout is much, much more likely. And it might be stupid but thats what a fan base that doesn't have blinders on is gonna do when even some weekend GMs can foresee their mistakes in advance...thus the fking stupid conversation.

[JeffDuncan]

14 seasons. 33%. Not good enough in my eyes at least. Maybe your standards are lower though so that could be the issue.


Dejounte wrote that Thad “can’t” shoot threes, and that’s what I replied to. Dejounte thought Thad was like Poeltl. Try to follow what’s been posted.

[exstatic]

Smith is getting minutes and making the most of it, we need to stop dreaming about getting a pick with him.

I think if there isn’t a pick coming, and that may be PHO’s position, you buyout Thad, and just go after Smith in FA. You’re not stuck paying and rehabbing Saric for what is almost always a sub par season following ACL repair surgery.

[KingKev]

I think if there isn’t a pick coming, and that may be PHO’s position, you buyout Thad, and just go after Smith in FA. You’re not stuck paying and rehabbing Saric for what is almost always a sub par season following ACL repair surgery.

If there was any deal on the table involving draft capital or Smith it would have been made. One ESPN insider article, retweeted by the buffoons at PTR or ClutchPoints bas been recycled for 6 months. This thread should be locked.

I heard once upon a time we could have traded LMA for Wiggins, Wiseman AND the 2021 Minny pick. That debate lasted 5 months also.

[exstatic]

If there was any deal on the table involving draft capital or Smith it would have been made. One ESPN insider article, retweeted by the buffoons at PTR or ClutchPoints bas been recycled for 6 months. This thread should be locked.

I heard once upon a time we could have traded LMA for Wiggins, Wiseman AND the 2021 Minny pick. That debate lasted 5 months also.

I don’t think the 2021 pick was on the table, but GS certainly wanted LMA, who fit their window way better than Wiseman did. The deal was supposed to go down on draft night so they could trade Wiggins and wiseman’s rights instead of the pick, giving them flexibility down the line, but literally a day or two before the draft, Klay was injured and out for the year.

I think it’s specious to say that if there was a deal with PHO with Smith and draft capital, it would have happened by now. They damaged Smith’s value by not picking up his option, making him an unrestricted rental. He’s essentially salary ballast in this trade, with no Bird rights conveying. In addition, not making the deal early keeps us clear of a second non-playable 15 man roster occupier (Saric) along with Zollins, a bad thing in the COVID era. The reality is that most deals during the season happen ON DEADLINE DAY. Unless it’s overwhelming draft capital, I don’t want this at all. We can go after an unrestricted Smith this summer, and not be stuck with Sarics money, and standard slow Recovery post ACL season.

[KingKev]

I don’t think the 2021 pick was on the table, but GS certainly wanted LMA, who fit their window way better than Wiseman did. The deal was supposed to go down on draft night so they could trade Wiggins and wiseman’s rights instead of the pick, giving them flexibility down the line, but literally a day or two before the draft, Klay was injured and out for the year.

I think it’s specious to say that if there was a deal with PHO with Smith and draft capital, it would have happened by now. They damaged Smith’s value by not picking up his option, making him an unrestricted rental. He’s essentially salary ballast in this trade, with no Bird rights conveying. In addition, not making the deal early keeps us clear of a second non-playable 15 man roster occupier (Saric) along with Zollins, a bad thing in the COVID era. The reality is that most deals during the season happen ON DEADLINE DAY. Unless it’s overwhelming draft capital, I don’t want this at all. We can go after an unrestricted Smith this summer, and not be stuck with Sarics money, and standard slow Recovery post ACL season.

Agreed. Smith can be had cheap if interested this offseason. I’m pretty damn confident and have been for quite sometime Thad hasn’t received much interest and his value has been driven into the ground by an inconsistent role. Eating Saric’s deal for a first still makes a ton of sense if on the table; we have cap space that we are unable to spend and 90% of the league, especially those looking to win now have none.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Eating Saric’s deal for a first still makes a ton of sense if on the table; we have cap space that we are unable to spend and 90% of the league, especially those looking to win now have none.

I mean, I get it, but if this is the reason for the deal then wouldn't you think that Saric and a FRP into cap space would still be on the table in the summer? If the Spurs have some sort of plans for that cap space they'll have then there's no need to waste half of it early when they could still pull off the same trade should their FA plans fail. I can only see logic into rushing it if the Spurs actually like Saric and see him as more than ballast. I do, I think he'd be an asset even after his surgery but this very well might not be the case with PATFO.

[exstatic]

I mean, I get it, but if this is the reason for the deal then wouldn't you think that Saric and a FRP into cap space would still be on the table in the summer? If the Spurs have some sort of plans for that cap space they'll have then there's no need to waste half of it early when they could still pull off the same trade should their FA plans fail. I can only see logic into rushing it if the Spurs actually like Saric and see him as more than ballast. I do, I think he'd be an asset even after his surgery but this very well might not be the case with PATFO.

I actually like the idea of waiting until this summer, signing Smith as a UFA, and then seeing if there’s anyone else interested in signing before talking Saric salary dump trade with PHO. More flexibility.

[FutureMan]

Dejounte wrote that Thad “can’t” shoot threes, and that’s what I replied to. Dejounte thought Thad was like Poeltl. Try to follow what’s been posted.

Both are terrible three point shooters and not worth arguing about. Sure, Poeltl is a worse 3 point shooter but at Young’s volume, who cares. Young doesn't fit this roster and has to go. So why go through such great lengths to argue about a guy that might not be on the roster within a month? That’s the real question.

IMO a great rotation only has 2-3 non 3 point shooters. I’m not giving one of those spots to Young. Get ‘em gone.

[Chinook]

I mean, I get it, but if this is the reason for the deal then wouldn't you think that Saric and a FRP into cap space would still be on the table in the summer? If the Spurs have some sort of plans for that cap space they'll have then there's no need to waste half of it early when they could still pull off the same trade should their FA plans fail. I can only see logic into rushing it if the Spurs actually like Saric and see him as more than ballast. I do, I think he'd be an asset even after his surgery but this very well might not be the case with PATFO.

I don't think Saric's deal will require a first to eat. Thad's value needs to be added into the equation to make it work. Certainly, Smith is more likely to have value to the Spurs as a player this year with Collins still out and one of Landale or Eubanks being part of the trade in some capacity than he would as a straight signing with a healthy big-man rotation. The only advantage for the Spurs to try to wait would be that they could get Phoenix's 2023 pick if they wait but would have to settle for 2024 if they do it now.

[John B]

i was right about biyombo. he's not a 12th man.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vKwMkmOgI

I bet Ewwbanks play great with CP3 too. Imagine Poeltl in that team.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't think Saric's deal will require a first to eat. Thad's value needs to be added into the equation to make it work. Certainly, Smith is more likely to have value to the Spurs as a player this year with Collins still out and one of Landale or Eubanks being part of the trade in some capacity than he would as a straight signing with a healthy big-man rotation. The only advantage for the Spurs to try to wait would be that they could get Phoenix's 2023 pick if they wait but would have to settle for 2024 if they do it now.

Yep, I agree, which is why the reported deal is unlikely to happen unless Phoenix get very desperate or lose a big to a long term injury prior to the trade deadline.

My point is that taking on a bad contract for Young's in order to get a late FRP isn't that enticing at all. Rather have the cap space in the summer and you can always absorb a bad contract from a tax team for draft picks if the FA plans fail. Basically, if Thad's value isn't enough to bring a good pick along with another expiring, which it probably isn't, then there's not much difference between a buyout for nothing (but having the cap space) compared to a deal with bad money on next season's payroll.

[exstatic]

I don't think Saric's deal will require a first to eat. Thad's value needs to be added into the equation to make it work. Certainly, Smith is more likely to have value to the Spurs as a player this year with Collins still out and one of Landale or Eubanks being part of the trade in some capacity than he would as a straight signing with a healthy big-man rotation. The only advantage for the Spurs to try to wait would be that they could get Phoenix's 2023 pick if they wait but would have to settle for 2024 if they do it now.

If their 2022 conveys (1-12), and it almost certainly will, 2023 is off the table, since it would be consecutive years.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If their 2022 conveys (1-12), and it almost certainly will, 2023 is off the table, since it would be consecutive years.

No - the rule is two consecutive future picks. If their 2022 conveys they can trade their 2023 first in the summer.

[exstatic]

No - the rule is two consecutive future picks. If their 2022 conveys they can trade their 2023 first in the summer.

You are correct. Makes me wonder why teams ever pick for another team and trade rights if the Stepien rule resets after the draft.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

You are correct. Makes me wonder why teams ever pick for another team and trade rights if the Stepien rule resets after the draft.

Well it doesn't really reset, it's simply what it says on the tin - two future firsts. Teams like the Lakers last season, or say Denver or Milwaukee this season, who have traded multiple future firsts and can't deal the picks inbetween, can trade those on draft night because they're basically trading player rights, not the actual picks. But the Stepien rule still applies for all of their future picks. It's a sort of a loophole but everyone seems to be ok with it.

[Seventyniner]

Well it doesn't really reset, it's simply what it says on the tin - two future firsts. Teams like the Lakers last season, or say Denver or Milwaukee this season, who have traded multiple future firsts and can't deal the picks inbetween, can trade those on draft night because they're basically trading player rights, not the actual picks. But the Stepien rule still applies for all of their future picks. It's a sort of a loophole but everyone seems to be ok with it.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a "letter of the law" thing. The way I understand the Stepien Rule is that a team can't make a trade that would leave them in a state where they wouldn't (or possibly wouldn't due to protections and such) have a first in two consecutive future drafts. The "future" part drops off on draft night for that year's picks once the selections are actually made.

[CGD]

I don’t think the 2021 pick was on the table, but GS certainly wanted LMA, who fit their window way better than Wiseman did. The deal was supposed to go down on draft night so they could trade Wiggins and wiseman’s rights instead of the pick, giving them flexibility down the line, but literally a day or two before the draft, Klay was injured and out for the year.

I think it’s specious to say that if there was a deal with PHO with Smith and draft capital, it would have happened by now. They damaged Smith’s value by not picking up his option, making him an unrestricted rental. He’s essentially salary ballast in this trade, with no Bird rights conveying. In addition, not making the deal early keeps us clear of a second non-playable 15 man roster occupier (Saric) along with Zollins, a bad thing in the COVID era. The reality is that most deals during the season happen ON DEADLINE DAY. Unless it’s overwhelming draft capital, I don’t want this at all. We can go after an unrestricted Smith this summer, and not be stuck with Sarics money, and standard slow Recovery post ACL season.

Nice use of specious.

Feels like the deal is there and ball in Spurs court, where spurs are looking for a "better" offer that lands them another pick THIS year or doesn't require them to eat long term money to retain flexibility. If I'm Spurs, I'm eying CLE's two juicy SRPs (one was originally ours) for example.

Question is do they really want MORE 2022 draft capital at this point (as opposed to future assets)? Right now we're looking at a good situation for 2022: a) late lotto pick, b) essentially a deep FRP (DET SRP), and c) an increasingly interesting LAL SRP.

[CGD]

I mean, I get it, but if this is the reason for the deal then wouldn't you think that Saric and a FRP into cap space would still be on the table in the summer? If the Spurs have some sort of plans for that cap space they'll have then there's no need to waste half of it early when they could still pull off the same trade should their FA plans fail. I can only see logic into rushing it if the Spurs actually like Saric and see him as more than ballast. I do, I think he'd be an asset even after his surgery but this very well might not be the case with PATFO.

I agree. Not sure about the viability of waiting to use Thad the summer; more likely the Spurs "do the right thing" and buy him out if there is no deal (though i wish they wouldnt to send a gentle message to player agents).

I'll actually go the other way on Saric. I think there is value in having at least one ~9M-12M expiring in a given year, not including players that may be in the teams future plans (e.g., Jakob next year). Spurs are in the middle of a necessary paradigm shift that will require them to be opportunistic in the trade market in a way they havent before. There are fewer and fewer deals out there in that 8-13M range in recent years, and those can come in handy to combo for trades.

[gambit1990]

bismack will remain with the suns.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/01/suns-to-sign-bismack-biyombo-for-the-rest-of-the-season.html

who else wants thad?

[Degoat]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/01/suns-to-sign-bismack-biyombo-for-the-rest-of-the-season.html

who else wants thad?

Buy-out teams lmao our only hope is to use him to facilitate a trade

[talkspurs]

I would have liked to have traded him and got smith. But since it would have hurt us in trying to resign smith I am glad we did not trade for smith.

[exstatic]

I was lukewarm to the Suns trade when it was first floated, but once they non tendered Smith and made his contract radioactive, there’s no point. Flip Thad for something or buy him out. Sign Smith at the FA period, agree to take Saric’s contract off their cap for a FRP this summer. They’re desperate to cut payroll, which is why they foolishly non tendered Smith, making him unrestricted. Like their payroll is already sky high, and they have to pay Ayton this summer.

[slick'81]

Thad's getting bought out.

[KingKev]

I was lukewarm to the Suns trade when it was first floated, but once they non tendered Smith and made his contract radioactive, there’s no point. Flip Thad for something or buy him out. Sign Smith at the FA period, agree to take Saric’s contract off their cap for a FRP this summer. They’re desperate to cut payroll, which is why they foolishly non tendered Smith, making him unrestricted. Like their payroll is already sky high, and they have to pay Ayton this summer.

You were vehement on how bad Jalen Smith was until you read that article about his 5 game stretch…

[exstatic]

You were vehement on how bad Jalen Smith was until you read that article about his 5 game stretch…

And if you looked at his previous numbers, I was right to be. It was an across the board show, points, rebs, FG%,3G%. If you don’t change your mind after that, you’re a fool. I like to see a little something, not just rely on projections, and I did. You can also bet your ass they’re going to bury him on the bench for the rest of the year, hoping no one saw his outburst.

Taking a chance on him is probably better than the chance we took on a guy with 100 screws in his ankle.

[BackHome]

So who else besides Suns maybe interested in doing a trade for Young?

[John B]

https://airalamo.com/posts/san-antonio-spurs-rumors-espn-analyst-trade-activity-coming

Windhorst says he's been busy discussing Spurs rumors. "I've spent many hours this week talking about the Spurs," answered Windhorst. "That's all I'm going to say because I'd get in trouble." When pushed by Perez to provide more information, Windhorst remained cagey but sounded like he knew much more than he could reveal.

Zollins getting in game shape could be what the Spurs are waiting for to finally move Thad Young.

[bluebellmaniac]

https://airalamo.com/posts/san-antonio-spurs-rumors-espn-analyst-trade-activity-coming

Windhorst says he's been busy discussing Spurs rumors. "I've spent many hours this week talking about the Spurs," answered Windhorst. "That's all I'm going to say because I'd get in trouble." When pushed by Perez to provide more information, Windhorst remained cagey but sounded like he knew much more than he could reveal.

Zollins getting in game shape could be what the Spurs are waiting for to finally move Thad Young.

We are in TANK mode. I don't think we are worried about losing games.

[Dverde]

So who else besides Suns maybe interested in doing a trade for Young?

Multiple sources say no one.

[KingKev]

^ haha yeah only way Thad gets moved and we get anything decent back is to help facilitate someone else’s trade. That’s my hope at this point. His lack of minutes and mixed play this year did not help his trade value.

[Mr. Body]

^ haha yeah only way Thad gets moved and we get anything decent back is to help facilitate someone else’s trade. That’s my hope at this point. His lack of minutes and mixed play this year did not help his trade value.

Dude, why do people think teams are so stupid they react to only what that player's done in the last few months? No, teams know exactly who Thad Young is. Many teams would like to have him. The problem is in assets, otherwise he'd be moved by now.

[RC_Drunkford]

with the way Jalen Smith has performed recently I'd do the Young for Saric, Smith and a 2nd round pick trade

[KingKev]

Dude, why do people think teams are so stupid they react to only what that player's done in the last few months? No, teams know exactly who Thad Young is. Many teams would like to have him. The problem is in assets, otherwise he'd be moved by now.

What did I say was wrong? I didn’t say he is finished but nothing about this season has helped his trade value.

[Leetonidas]

https://airalamo.com/posts/san-antonio-spurs-rumors-espn-analyst-trade-activity-coming

Windhorst says he's been busy discussing Spurs rumors. "I've spent many hours this week talking about the Spurs," answered Windhorst. "That's all I'm going to say because I'd get in trouble." When pushed by Perez to provide more information, Windhorst remained cagey but sounded like he knew much more than he could reveal.

Zollins getting in game shape could be what the Spurs are waiting for to finally move Thad Young.

https://i.ibb.co/TW1TMkz/rub-hands.gif

[Mr. Body]

What did I say was wrong? I didn’t say he is finished but nothing about this season has helped his trade value.

No one gives a shit about how he's played this year. Absolutely no one. I truly will never understand how people think a whole career of play isn't what teams look at while a handful with a new team will change everybody's mind. It boggles the mind.

[exstatic]

with the way Jalen Smith has performed recently I'd do the Young for Saric, Smith and a 2nd round pick trade

NO. If you want Smith, you get him this summer. Whoever winds up with his contract at the end of the season is screwed. Because of a clause in the CBA, if a team non tenders the year 3 option, which Phoenix did, they are capped at paying him only the amount of his tender, or $4.7M, AND he’s unrestricted. ANY TEAM THAT TRADES FOR HIM INHERITS THAT CONSTRAINT. Phoenix is so screwed capwise, which is the reason they non tendered Smith. You sign him, and rent some of your caproom to take Saric’scontract off their books for an asset. You essentially do half of the trade, later, in order to be able to sign and retain Smith.

[Fusternino]

Wouldn't be surprised if Zollins gets a Carrollesque buy out, tbh. Just throwing the idea out there.

[duncan2150]

NO. If you want Smith, you get him this summer. Whoever winds up with his contract at the end of the season is screwed. Because of a clause in the CBA, if a team non tenders the year 3 option, which Phoenix did, they are capped at paying him only the amount of his tender, or $4.7M, AND he’s unrestricted. ANY TEAM THAT TRADES FOR HIM INHERITS THAT CONSTRAINT. Phoenix is so screwed capwise, which is the reason they non tendered Smith. You sign him, and rent some of your caproom to take Saric’scontract off their books for an asset. You essentially do half of the trade, later, in order to be able to sign and retain Smith.

+1

there's no reason to trade for Smith and Saric now, the first is unrestricted and the second will eat half of your nearly 20 Mo of space next summer.
Even with a first, i'm not sure i'll do it.

[KingKev]

+1

there's no reason to trade for Smith and Saric now, the first is unrestricted and the second will eat half of your nearly 20 Mo of space next summer.
Even with a first, i'm not sure i'll do it.

If the cap stays level at $112m we are pushing $30m in space with some movable contracts (Saric’s itself is probably pretty movable this offseason) so I would still consider eating Saric’s deal to add a first to the war chest. That cap space once again will be hard to allocate with few real targets.

[CGD]

NO. If you want Smith, you get him this summer. Whoever winds up with his contract at the end of the season is screwed. Because of a clause in the CBA, if a team non tenders the year 3 option, which Phoenix did, they are capped at paying him only the amount of his tender, or $4.7M, AND he’s unrestricted. ANY TEAM THAT TRADES FOR HIM INHERITS THAT CONSTRAINT. Phoenix is so screwed capwise, which is the reason they non tendered Smith. You sign him, and rent some of your caproom to take Saric’scontract off their books for an asset. You essentially do half of the trade, later, in order to be able to sign and retain Smith.

Correct. The other scenario is that Spurs don’t really like Smith — notwithstanding a few games recently where he’s played alright— and wont be sad to see him go this summer making this a non-concern.

So essentially it’s a deal to eat Sarics money for a FRO relieving financial pressure off a historically penny pinching franchise now facing paying for an expensive roster in the years ahead.

[KingKev]

Wouldn't be surprised if Zollins gets a Carrollesque buy out, tbh. Just throwing the idea out there.

Why? He is right on his projected timeline for return, has been active in the community and his teammates appear to really like him. He is young and offers versatility at a position of need. His contract is only 3.5mm guaranteed next year so a buy out is very unlikely.

[Dejounte]

Most of Collins’ contract isn’t guaranteed, I believe. So it wouldn’t really be a buy out, it would just be letting someone go.

[exstatic]

Right. Year 1 is fully guaranteed, year 2 is 50%, year 3 is fully ungauanteed.

[Ocotillo]

I doubt Phoenix is still interested in Young with Biyambo stepping in now.

[exstatic]

Biyambo is bologna. Thad is sliced roast beef. Bismarck may be able to help them some in the regular season, but he has only a limited skill set. He’s not going to get anyone else a shot the way Thad can.

That being said, I think Phoenix is having the realization that they royally screwed themselves with Smith, making him untradeable, and have moved on for that reason.

[KingKev]

I doubt Phoenix is still interested in Young with Biyambo stepping in now.

If that deal was ever on the table and included an FRP it would have been made

[exstatic]

If that deal was ever on the table and included an FRP it would have been made

The only time it would have been feasible would have been before they non-tendered Smith. After that, you’d be picking up a bad contract for a player you can’t re-sign, and a second injured player, this one out for the year.

Watching OKC the last few years, we can probably still get a FRP to accept Saric in a salary dump (9.7M) this summer, he’s playable next year, and we just sign Smith as a FA.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

For Thad's sake I hope he gets traded. He probably doesn't have many impactful years left, and this one is getting wasted.

[KingKev]

The only time it would have been feasible would have been before they non-tendered Smith. After that, you’d be picking up a bad contract for a player you can’t re-sign, and a second injured player, this one out for the year.

Watching OKC the last few years, we can probably still get a FRP to accept Saric in a salary dump (9.7M) this summer, he’s playable next year, and we just sign Smith as a FA.

Well once again we are going to have a nice chunk of cap space with few free agent targets so 9mm for a future FRP is probably the going rate. Saric might also become a nice trade chip at next year’s trade deadline.

[Dverde]

Spurs will buy him out if no trade. Spurs will do right by the player. Other teams know that. That is the biggest thing hurting his value.

[exstatic]

Spurs will buy him out if no trade. Spurs will do right by the player. Other teams know that. That is the biggest thing hurting his value.

We’ve always done a lot of things in the past. It’s a different day.

He’s going to have to give back most, if not all of his remaining salary if he wants out. He hasn’t been a real good sport about this. He had to know that he was trade bait, and that most trades happen on deadline day, so just STFU. Noticed he hasn’t been in any podcasts recently. That’s a positive step.

[KingKev]

We’ve always done a lot of things in the past. It’s a different day.

He’s going to have to give back most, if not all of his remaining salary if he wants out. He hasn’t been a real good sport about this. He had to know that he was trade bait, and that most trades happen on deadline day, so just STFU. Noticed he hasn’t been in any podcasts recently. That’s a positive step.

Something else I’d like to see happen if he gets traded: it’s not a negotiation. He goes where he fkn goes even if it isn’t a playoff team. If a deal is in the table that helps us it should be done. Goodwill is for players who did something for this team.

[exstatic]

Something else I’d like to see happen if he gets traded: it’s not a negotiation. He goes where he fkn goes even if it isn’t a playoff team. If a deal is in the table that helps us it should be done. Goodwill is for players who did something for this team.

In theory, but most non playoff teams aren't lining up for 33 YO PFs on ending contracts.

[KingKev]

In theory, but most non playoff teams aren't lining up for 33 YO PFs on ending contracts.

Yeah but Thad’s contract could just help facilitate a broader deal which may have him ending up somewhere worse.

[exstatic]

Yeah but Thad’s contract could just help facilitate a broader deal which may have him ending up somewhere worse.

Again, in theory, but most bad teams are looking for future resources, not current ones. I can't see a easy scenario where he's just salary ballast. Too many playoff teams would be interested.

[KingKev]

Again, in theory, but most bad teams are looking for future resources, not current ones. I can't see a easy scenario where he's just salary ballast. Too many playoff teams would be interested.

Well regardless if anything goes down it’ll likely be done on deadline day.

[exstatic]

Well regardless if anything goes down it’ll likely be done on deadline day.

Exactly. Usually in the last hour or so, too.

[KingKev]

Biyombo continues to play well for Phx. 21pts, 12rebs, 5assts 2blks, 1stl on 9-12fgs in 30mins.

Still hoping Thad’s contract can help facilitate some deadline deals and we can get a few SRPs out of it. Moral victory.

Looking at this summer’s cap situation with only the Pistons, Magic and Spurs having space, expiring contracts are going to be in demand at the deadline… Juancho and Thad’s contracts could net us something of value to take bad money back. Unfortunately they can’t be combined in a deal.

With very few free agent targets ourselves the trade deadline is when we should start looking to rent some of the near 40mm in cap space we have in return for young assets/picks or risk PATFO giving a guy like Joe Ingles 3yr/50mm come July. You know its coming.

[venitian navigator]

If Phoenix is not in the perspective to re sign Ayton at the max it could be an idea to use our assets for having him at the deadline... After all Mcgee and Biyombo fit for them both better than Ayton (and in a title perspective both Saric and Smith are, for different reasons, unplayable this season and the next ). Young, Mc Dermott and Eubanks for Ayton, Smith and Saric works...

[KingKev]

If Phoenix is not in the perspective to re sign Ayton at the max it could be an idea to use our assets for having him at the deadline... After all Mcgee and Biyombo fit for them both better than Ayton (and in a title perspective both Saric and Smith are, for different reasons, unplayable this season and the next ). Young, Mc Dermott and Eubanks for Ayton, Smith and Saric works...

I wouldn’t give up a young asset like Eubanks.

[baseline bum]

If Phoenix is not in the perspective to re sign Ayton at the max it could be an idea to use our assets for having him at the deadline... After all Mcgee and Biyombo fit for them both better than Ayton (and in a title perspective both Saric and Smith are, for different reasons, unplayable this season and the next ). Young, Mc Dermott and Eubanks for Ayton, Smith and Saric works...

:lmao

They're not giving Ayton away in the middle of a title run for fucking Thad Young. Might as well have asked for Booker too.

[KingKev]

:lmao

They're not giving Ayton away in the middle of a title run for fucking Thad Young. Might as well have asked for Booker too.

You’re under estimating what Chris Paul could do with Drew Eubanks. It’s be a batter version of lobcity

[exstatic]

I am absolutely NOT in favor of renting any of our summer capspace out right now, unless they throw something ridiculous like multiple FRPs at us, which won’t happen. Any team that needs relief will still need it this summer, and we get to evaluate multiple offers.

What you can do now is trade our expirings for more expensive expirings, plus cash and/or picks for tax paying teams. Portland, for example, is foundering, but WILL be a tax payer if they do nothing. They are a bit over $3M over the tax, and their bill will be about $4.5M. It’s a bit bigger than that, though. If we can come up with a swap of expirings that can net them that $3M in savings, it’s not just a relief from the $4.5M bill, they would become a non tax payer, and RECEIVE a payment of about $10M. The net flip would be +14.5M to their books. I think that’s worth a first, and they have all of theirs remaining, except this year’s. Since we received only larger expirings, we still have ALL of our cap room this summer to leverage for FAs, or accepting salary like Saric, an ending contract from Phoenix. When they pay Ayton, they will be in the tax, and will be looking to shed salary.

[exstatic]

I wouldn’t give up a young asset like Eubanks.

Eubanks isn’t an asset, he’s roster filler. That will become more apparent when Zollins is activated.

[BacktoBasics]

:lmao

They're not giving Ayton away in the middle of a title run for fucking Thad Young. Might as well have asked for Booker too.

The stupid on this forum is unreal.

[Atl Spur]

The stupid on this forum is unreal.

Lol…….I think sometimes the sarcasm is missed��

[baseline bum]

You’re under estimating what Chris Paul could do with Drew Eubanks. It’s be a batter version of lobcity

Oh yeah Eubanks is a regular Prime Blake Griffin.

[8sy21vd]

The Spurs should at least try to package Thad's expiring deal with a pick(s) to improve their front court to a team looking to shed salary (Pacers/Raptors). I don't know too much about Turner but if he can stretch the floor and play some D, he seems like a good fit. They need some more scoring punch and good big. At some point, the Spurs need to take a chance to improve. Otherwise, just trade your best assets in White and Poetl and go full rebuild with the super young guys (Murray, Vassell, Primo) + your high lottery pick from this season + a treasure chest of picks from your trades. I mean, if your ceiling is making the play-in, seems like you're just spinning your wheels and frustrating the fan base.

[RC_Drunkford]

Eubanks is a unicorn. Who else blocks a shot by putting his hand in the rim? That alone should be worth a first round pick

[KingKev]

Eubanks isn’t an asset, he’s roster filler. That will become more apparent when Zollins is activated.

haha I was being sarcastic. I’ve never seen Eubanks as an NBA player. That purported trade was terrible.

[KingKev]

Oh yeah Eubanks is a regular Prime Blake Griffin.

Hahah I was being sarcastic. Eubanks will not be on this roster next year, and probably not in the NBA.

[KingKev]

I am absolutely NOT in favor of renting any of our summer capspace out right now, unless they throw something ridiculous like multiple FRPs at us, which won’t happen. Any team that needs relief will still need it this summer, and we get to evaluate multiple offers.

What you can do now is trade our expirings for more expensive expirings, plus cash and/or picks for tax paying teams. Portland, for example, is foundering, but WILL be a tax payer if they do nothing. They are a bit over $3M over the tax, and their bill will be about $4.5M. It’s a bit bigger than that, though. If we can come up with a swap of expirings that can net them that $3M in savings, it’s not just a relief from the $4.5M bill, they would become a non tax payer, and RECEIVE a payment of about $10M. The net flip would be +14.5M to their books. I think that’s worth a first, and they have all of theirs remaining, except this year’s. Since we received only larger expirings, we still have ALL of our cap room this summer to leverage for FAs, or accepting salary like Saric, an ending contract from Phoenix. When they pay Ayton, they will be in the tax, and will be looking to shed salary.

You do both, start renting capital now continue in the summer. Teams want to start clearing cap space now so they are in a better position July 1st when free agency starts as a fair amount of signings are announced within hours of the clock striking midnight. I’m not the only one advocating this, top NBA pundits are projecting a busy trade deadline for this reason. Also we have ~40mm in cap space and very few if any real free agent targets. We should be getting ahead of this or risk PATFO paying a guy like Joe Ingles 3yr/50mm as you know dumb contracts like McLovins are a major risk when we are sitting on a bag of cash in a shit free agent market.

I like your scenario with Portland, and that is an ideal scenario so if any examples present themselves we should jump on that with Thad or Juancho’s contract. Portland probably only has two expiring contracts that make sense in Roco and Nurk (both ~12mm) however and those are attractive win now deadline pieces that will probably return assets, so they could likely shed salary AND net something in return.

[tbdog]

What would a Portland trade look like? I always liked Nance

[exstatic]

You do both, start renting capital now continue in the summer. Teams want to start clearing cap space now so they are in a better position July 1st when free agency starts as a fair amount of signings are announced within hours of the clock striking midnight. I’m not the only one advocating this, top NBA pundits are projecting a busy trade deadline for this reason. Also we have ~40mm in cap space and very few if any real free agent targets. We should be getting ahead of this or risk PATFO paying a guy like Joe Ingles 3yr/50mm as you know dumb contracts like McLovins are a major risk when we are sitting on a bag of cash in a shit free agent market.

I like your scenario with Portland, and that is an ideal scenario so if any examples present themselves we should jump on that with Thad or Juancho’s contract. Portland probably only has two expiring contracts that make sense in Roco and Nurk (both ~12mm) however and those are attractive win now deadline pieces that will probably return assets, so they could likely shed salary AND net something in return.

JHG + Eubanks for RoCo works in that scenario, and RoCo is and ending contract, so you can still leverage the space this summer. Two for one. Portland has FRPS, too. Only this years is spoken for. $14.5 mil on the balance sheet would be attractive to a small market team.

If we could leverage this, it would also open a roster spot so that we could take back two contracts for Thad.

I’ve looked through a lot of the contenders, and most of the either don’t have tradeable contracts, or they’re pick starved.

[pad300]

I don't know about trading Phoenix cap relief; it really depends what the FO thinks of dropping the bag on Ayton's doorstep at 12:01 at the start of Free Agency... Sarver is cheap, and if Phoenix matches, they are paying a LOT of lux tax in 2022 and 2023. Especially for a team that might not be a contender if CP3's play drops off... It's something I would be thinking hard about doing if I were them. He's young and good enough, and it has a chance of working...

[exstatic]

I don't know about trading Phoenix cap relief; it really depends what the FO thinks of dropping the bag on Ayton's doorstep at 12:01 at the start of Free Agency... Sarver is cheap, and if Phoenix matches, they are paying a LOT of lux tax in 2022 and 2023. Especially for a team that might not be a contender if CP3's play drops off... It's something I would be thinking hard about doing if I were them. He's young and good enough, and it has a chance of working...

The thing is, if you do that, and it doesn’t work, they’ll be pissed off and salary dump Saric, who will be healed and playable, to Orlando or the other team that has caproom. If you play it right, you can play both ends on this one:: save PHO cap room for a FRP, then spiff up Saric, and flip him again at next year’s deadline. Ayton isn’t going to put us over the top, but accumulating enough picks eventually will. OKC has been pulling this shit for 3-4 years, renting capspace for picks, and then leveraging the player into more picks later. They just did it two years ago, and then last summer with Horford.

We could probably even get away with signing Smith, and then trading for Saric, because the Smith thing was just stupid on their part. Signing an offer sheet on Ayton is pretty much a declaration of war, though.

[baseline bum]

I don't know about trading Phoenix cap relief; it really depends what the FO thinks of dropping the bag on Ayton's doorstep at 12:01 at the start of Free Agency... Sarver is cheap, and if Phoenix matches, they are paying a LOT of lux tax in 2022 and 2023. Especially for a team that might not be a contender if CP3's play drops off... It's something I would be thinking hard about doing if I were them. He's young and good enough, and it has a chance of working...

Not even Sarver is stupid enough to not match a max offer sheet on Ayton. But he gets him cheaper by having him sign a 4-year RFA max with 5% raises than by signing a 5-year Bird max with 8% raises.

[KingKev]

JHG + Eubanks for RoCo works in that scenario, and RoCo is and ending contract, so you can still leverage the space this summer. Two for one. Portland has FRPS, too. Only this years is spoken for. $14.5 mil on the balance sheet would be attractive to a small market team.

If we could leverage this, it would also open a roster spot so that we could take back two contracts for Thad.

I’ve looked through a lot of the contenders, and most of the either don’t have tradeable contracts, or they’re pick starved.

Portland gave up 2FRPs to get RoCo, they aren’t giving another to trade him when he still has value. They should easily be able to trade RoCo and get an asset in return while still saving money but this is absolutely a strategy we should be open to.

[KingKev]

Not even Sarver is stupid enough to not match a max offer sheet on Ayton. But he gets him cheaper by having him sign a 4-year RFA max with 5% raises than by signing a 5-year Bird max with 8% raises.

Agreed anyone who thinks Ayton isn’t getting the max this summer from PHX is lost.

[BackHome]

The thing is, if you do that, and it doesn’t work, they’ll be pissed off and salary dump Saric, who will be healed and playable, to Orlando or the other team that has caproom. If you play it right, you can play both ends on this one:: save PHO cap room for a FRP, then spiff up Saric, and flip him again at next year’s deadline. Ayton isn’t going to put us over the top, but accumulating enough picks eventually will. OKC has been pulling this shit for 3-4 years, renting capspace for picks, and then leveraging the player into more picks later. They just did it two years ago, and then last summer with Horford.

We could probably even get away with signing Smith, and then trading for Saric, because the Smith thing was just stupid on their part. Signing an offer sheet on Ayton is pretty much a declaration of war, though.

I like this..:)

[exstatic]

Portland gave up 2FRPs to get RoCo, they aren’t giving another to trade him when he still has value. They should easily be able to trade RoCo and get an asset in return while still saving money but this is absolutely a strategy we should be open to.

They’re in the tax, but not in the playoffs. They thought he’d make a difference, but he didn’t. The two FRPs were given up by Olshey, who has since been fired. They can LITERALLY turn their balance sheet around by $14.5M with one trade, but everyone can see they need the relief, and no one is doing it for free, or giving them an asset for a two month rental.

[KingKev]

They’re in the tax, but not in the playoffs. They thought he’d make a difference, but he didn’t. The two FRPs were given up by Olshey, who has since been fired. They can LITERALLY turn their balance sheet around by $14.5M with one trade, but everyone can see they need the relief, and no one is doing it for free, or giving them an asset for a two month rental.

There is absolutely going to be demand for RoCo and Nurk at the deadline if they offer them up. Contenders and playoff teams will be lining up for those expirings. The Blazers can absolutely move those players, save money and not have to pay a team for the relief, especially not a FRP. You are lost my friend.

[BackHome]

Not a lot of playoff teams have cap room or have a bad player to trade to get one of those two?

[poopbox]

At this point why would anyone trade for Thad? When was the last time he played?

[exstatic]

At this point why would anyone trade for Thad? When was the last time he played?

The Nets game a few days ago.

[exstatic]

There is absolutely going to be demand for RoCo and Nurk at the deadline if they offer them up. Contenders and playoff teams will be lining up for those expirings. The Blazers can absolutely move those players, save money and not have to pay a team for the relief, especially not a FRP. You are lost my friend.

They’re both rentals. I’ve looked through a lot of the salary structure of the contenders, looking for chances to move our guys, and most of them have a group of huge contracts, plus a gaggle of deals at $5M and below. They also, for the most part, lack picks. Phoenix is the one exception, and they non tendered a top 10 pick, and seem happy with Biyambo. Doubt they’ll be buyers.

We’re positioned for the deal, anyway, and a FRP is NOT an overpay for that much of a financial windfall. Portland is also about out of SRPs. Like their next 5 are gone.

[KingKev]

Not a lot of playoff teams have cap room or have a bad player to trade to get one of those two?

You don’t need cap room to take on more cap in a trade, just can't be hard capped. Lakers, Jazz, Nets, Grizz, Warriors, Bucks, Hornets, Wolves, Nuggets, Celtics all could. Last 3 are unlikely to as they are right at the luxury tax.

[KingKev]

They’re both rentals. I’ve looked through a lot of the salary structure of the contenders, looking for chances to move our guys, and most of them have a group of huge contracts, plus a gaggle of deals at $5M and below. They also, for the most part, lack picks. Phoenix is the one exception, and they non tendered a top 10 pick, and seem happy with Biyambo. Doubt they’ll be buyers.

We’re positioned for the deal, anyway, and a FRP is NOT an overpay for that much of a financial windfall. Portland is also about out of SRPs. Like their next 5 are gone.

This is a franchise that still wants to compete long term and has deep pockets in ownership. I just don’t see it.

[Mr. Body]

At this point why would anyone trade for Thad? When was the last time he played?

Once again, why the fuck do people think front offices are only watching SportsCenter or something?

[KingKev]

You don’t need cap room to take on more cap in a trade, just can't be hard capped. Lakers, Jazz, Nets, Grizz, Warriors, Bucks, Hornets, Wolves, Nuggets, Celtics all could. Last 3 are unlikely to as they are right at the luxury tax.

Also, hard capped teams still under the luxury tax who may consider taking on RoCo/Nurk in a playoff push: Knicks, Bulls, Raps, Cavs and Mavs.

Lots of candidates who could use their services and could potentially and work a trade to help reduce their tax bill.

Very unlikely Portland will need to attach a first if they are looking to move RoCo/Nurk to save on their tax bill.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They’re both rentals. I’ve looked through a lot of the salary structure of the contenders, looking for chances to move our guys, and most of them have a group of huge contracts, plus a gaggle of deals at $5M and below. They also, for the most part, lack picks. Phoenix is the one exception, and they non tendered a top 10 pick, and seem happy with Biyambo. Doubt they’ll be buyers.

We’re positioned for the deal, anyway, and a FRP is NOT an overpay for that much of a financial windfall. Portland is also about out of SRPs. Like their next 5 are gone.

Portland aren't trading away a 1st for this, they'll find a deal to get them under the tax for much cheaper. Boston did a very similar trade with Juancho and only paid $2 mil in cash, no picks. They have another small move to make to get under the tax line and they'll easily find it. So will Portland.

[venitian navigator]

Phoenix looks more comfortable playing with Magee and Biyombo than with Ayton and as someone else noticed if they're gonna match a max offer next summer they are gonna be big tax payers for some years... That said, obviously they are gonna receive a better package now than in the summer for a sign and trade (assuming they are going to find a deal with some other team that Ayton agrees to) ...Imho it all depends on their idea of Ayton as a necessary play off player plus their will to consider Ayton part of their future team at a max price... If they think Ayton risks to be, in the play offs, less useful compared to what the other two are showing then the time to sell him is at the deadline... Because you're gonna risk or choose to lose him for nothing next summer considering that the other two are not under contract for next season and are gonna be available at less than a quarter of the price that Ayton is gonna ask...
I'm not saying the package we could offer is the best but only that, if we do like Ayton, we should explore the chance to trade for him now...nevsuse Phoenix already knows that someone (possibly or maybe probably us) will offer Ayton the max this summer and at that point their only alternative will be to lose him for nothing or being a big lux tax payer...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Phoenix looks more comfortable playing with Magee and Biyombo than with Ayton and as someone else noticed if they're gonna match a max offer next summer they are gonna be big tax payers for some years... That said, obviously they are gonna receive a better package now than in the summer for a sign and trade (assuming they are going to find a deal with some other team that Ayton agrees to) ...Imho it all depends on their idea of Ayton as a necessary play off player plus their will to consider Ayton part of their future team at a max price... If they think Ayton risks to be, in the play offs, less useful compared to what the other two are showing then the time to sell him is at the deadline... Because you're gonna risk or choose to lose him for nothing next summer considering that the other two are not under contract for next season and are gonna be available at less than a quarter of the price that Ayton is gonna ask...
I'm not saying the package we could offer is the best but only that, if we do like Ayton, we should explore the chance to trade for him now...nevsuse Phoenix already knows that someone (possibly or maybe probably us) will offer Ayton the max this summer and at that point their only alternative will be to lose him for nothing or being a big lux tax payer...

There's no team, ever, that'd trade their 3rd most important player in the middle of a title run because they may or may not be a tax payer in a year and a half.

They'll max out Ayton, or come really close to it like Atlanta did with Collins. Then they'll have until next season's trade deadline to swing some deals and get out of the tax, or make it as little as possible. Sarver has paid the tax before and will pay it again for a title contender.

[KingKev]

There's no team, ever, that'd trade their 3rd most important player in the middle of a title run because they may or may not be a tax payer in a year and a half.

They'll max out Ayton, or come really close to it like Atlanta did with Collins. Then they'll have until next season's trade deadline to swing some deals and get out of the tax, or make it as little as possible. Sarver has paid the tax before and will pay it again for a title contender.

Agreed. I guess it’s just wishful thinking/dreaming by Spurs fans that we can land Ayton but I can’t believe how many fans on this board think a team that close to winning it all this year would risk their chances to win a title(s) in the interest of perceived prudence.

[Dverde]

Anything new on the Trad Young situation? He played the other day. If the Spurs cannot get a couple second rounders for this guy it’s a big fail for them.

[exstatic]

Anything new on the Trad Young situation? He played the other day. If the Spurs cannot get a couple second rounders for this guy it’s a big fail for them.

It depends what players teams are trying to send us. The pick(s) are only part of the equation. If teams are only offering one or two seconds, and expecting us to take on a multi year contract, accepting THAT would be a fail.

[KingKev]

It depends what players teams are trying to send us. The pick(s) are only part of the equation. If teams are only offering one or two seconds, and expecting us to take on a multi year contract, accepting THAT would be a fail.

This. His value to the Sours at this point is most likely facilitating a bigger trade and getting compensated for it. Otherwise there are like 5-10 expiring contracts not garnering much at the deadline. In part a product of the dichotomy between, call it 5 contenders and everyone else. Draft capital, cap space and the ability to make a real
playoff run are all very polarized this year.