when does dejounte murray ask for a trade?

[gambit1990]

honestly, what's the point of being on this team?

to maybe make the play-in tournament next year and maybe make the play-in tournament the the year after?

[tbdog]

honestly, what's the point of being on this team?

to maybe make the play-in tournament next year and maybe make the play-in tournament the the year after?

Not sure if serious.

[paperboy77]

Ok this is a legit question. I wouldn't blame him at all if we don't fix things. Need to ship out the farm for a special player.

[KobesAchilles]

Can we max him out now? Like give him an extension?

[daslicer]

Not anytime soon since he gets to be the number 1 option here whereas on a contending team, he would be the number 3 option.

[DeRozan m8]

These threads show the cuck attitude of today's league and fans

[KingKev]

The organization would have to do something to really piss him off or snub him in the his next round of contract talks. Dejounte is playing great and still takes accountability for us losing but I do beleive mow is the time
to get him some help - a better back court mate who can shoot the lights out and a modern 4/5.

[gambit1990]

Not sure if serious.
is it.

[gambit1990]

Not anytime soon since he gets to be the number 1 option here whereas on a contending team, he would be the number 3 option.
why not do that and win it all?

murray is never going to a #1 on a contending team.

[daslicer]

why not do that and win it all?

murray is never going to a #1 on a contending team.

He's young and when you are young you want to be the guy. It's really about being the guy at his age and then once you get older that's when you care more about winning. That is how it is usually with most young guys.

[John B]

DJM is still young and can afford to be the “head of snake” even with a bad team, to maybe pad stats and get an AS nof. With a contender, he’d be at the most a 3rd or 4th option. I think he starts getting impatient at the 2nd or 3rd year of his next contract, which would considerably be more, that would put him at 30 years old, if the Spurs are not a championship team by then. Then he starts chasing for a ring.

[james evans]

I said this 2 years ago and you idiots clowned me. After that Kawhi leonard shit, I said, "how are you guys gonna treat Murray when he asks to be traded?". I can find it and bump the thread.

[MarCowMar]

Murray seems strangely happy here. I don't totally understand it, but it's nice to see a player just enjoying their life and career and how good they have it. Maybe Clutch is more client-oriented than we give them credit for?

It wouldn't shock me if Murray ended up being a Spur his entire career.

[gambit1990]

kawhi wanted out after winning a championship and being handed the keys...

and kawhi left a team that was better than this team or next year's team...

[KingKev]

I said this 2 years ago and you idiots clowned me. After that Kawhi leonard shit, I said, "how are you guys gonna treat Murray when he asks to be traded?". I can find it and bump the thread.

Well two years later you are still wrong man

[gambit1990]

i voted this offseason. i think he'll do it privately, it'd be the opposite of the kawhi / harden / ben simmons situations.

don't forget that he's with klutch.

[Rocalcio]

Never, dumb thread. The kid knew his team would be on the young players’ development and not competing, he couldn’t complain about it now. And it appears the results are better than expected so there are reasons to be optimistic.

[Fireball]

He is an Alpha so I think he will stay longer to be the top dog ... which will not be on any other team thats competing better than the Spurs do ....

[gambit1990]

It wouldn't shock me if Murray ended up being a Spur his entire career.
i almost put spur 4 life as an option but i guarantee he gets traded in 5 to 10 years (if not sooner).

[spurraider21]

I said this 2 years ago and you idiots clowned me. After that Kawhi leonard shit, I said, "how are you guys gonna treat Murray when he asks to be traded?". I can find it and bump the thread.
You should still be clowned. You’re acting like Murray just demanded a trade

[gambit1990]

You should still be clowned. You’re acting like Murray just demanded a trade
https://media2.giphy.com/media/l0HlHHTwgXMl4hTeE/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47o9f8uanuvqhrt0oye1j11dsev6dd to50rdhmayfq&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[KingKev]

i almost put spur 4 life as an option but i guarantee he gets traded in 5 to 10 years (if not sooner).

Lol what is the line on if he gets traded in 5-10 years. This guy should make markets in sports betting.

[gambit1990]

Lol what is the line on if he gets traded in 5-10 years. This guy should make markets in sports betting.
the spurs were #1 in their division last season when i made a thread saying they would go on to be trash.

they went on to be trash and still are.

[Chinook]

:lol Murray's nowhere near a superstar (edited to clarify that I'm talking about guys whose trade demands normally drive headlines and not just fringe All-Stars or top options on mediocre teams) . He can ask for a trade ala Thad Young, and hopefully if he did, the Spurs can get good value. I'm even on record for saying the Spurs should trade him in the long term. But in terms of basketball clout, this would be a minor loss compared to what SA has had to deal with over the past several seasons. Murray's had a good year and is great for the culture, but he's not even close to a max player like some said in this thread.

[ECOV]

:dramaquee

[KingKev]

:lol Murray's nowhere near a superstar (edited to clarify that I'm talking about guys whose trade demands normally drive headlines and not just fringe All-Stars or top options on mediocre teams) . He can ask for a trade ala Thad Young, and hopefully if he did, the Spurs can get good value. I'm even on record for saying the Spurs should trade him in the long term. But in terms of basketball clout, this would be a minor loss compared to what SA has had to deal with over the past several seasons. Murray's had a good year and is great for the culture, but he's not even close to a max player like some said in this thread.

If DJ was a FA this offseason he probably gets near max money.

[R. DeMurre]

If DJ was a FA this offseason he probably gets near max money.


That might be true, but it only highlights what Don Nelson once joked about: how coaches and scouts believe there are maybe a dozen true Max players in the league at any given time, but agents and players think there are 40.

[KingKev]

That might be true, but it only highlights what Don Nelson once joked about: how coaches and scouts believe there are maybe a dozen true Max players in the league at any given time, but agents and players think there are 40.

It’s a market. Rules are clear. Buyers and sellers. What is the alternative, an infinite salary cap? Steph, KD, Jokic, Giannis healthy Kawhi worth double the next 5 best.

[poopbox]

That might be true, but it only highlights what Don Nelson once joked about: how coaches and scouts believe there are maybe a dozen true Max players in the league at any given time, but agents and players think there are 40.

Well both of them are delusional and wrong and of course they both think that way. Of course Donny who is responsible for getting players to sign, wants to get them to sign for as little as possible and thus needs to be in the business of telling them they are not worth max money. And of course players and agents want the most money and are in the business of saying they are in fact max players and should be making max money.

You could say the thing about Donny. I always thought he was a shit GM. The only thing he ever did was be lucky enough to have a low maintenance all time great like Dirk, and he could only get one title out of a guy who became a progenitor like player that everyone in the nba covets to this day...the magical "big man who can shoot". He somehow backed doored that with Luka but Luka isn't a laid back chill dude like Dirk is so the second little Donny had to manage a personality and get off easy street, he couldn't even hang on to his job. I wonder well he get another one in the nba since the younger generation of front office people don't really care about who his father end and he spent years being known as the guy who struck out and literally every big free agent signing...

[Chinook]

If DJ was a FA this offseason he probably gets near max money.

Depends. If he were coming off his fourth year into an RFA summer, the Spurs might be willing to max him to keep him while trying to get less than that ala Collins with ATL. That first tier of max contracts is speculative. Guys like Wiggins and Russell get them just for having a pulse. I famously worried that the Spurs would max Murray had they not agreed to an extension a couple of years ago. But that next level of maxes -- meaning the one Murray will be eligible for when his contract runs out -- doesn't get handed out very freely. Flawed or relatively unaccomplished players don't usually get that kind of contract. You need multiple All-Stars to do so. Look at the list of guys in that ball-park: https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

You'll see either proven players or bad contracts that were handed out by desperate teams. I don't think Murray is any threat to get near that right now. Maybe he will get there, and this conversation would be different if that happens, but I don't know if STers really understand how far away he is from that tier still. He's playing really well, but there are a number of players who are in his tier making nowhere near max money. The guys making demands and bending teams to their wills are All-NBAers in the prime of their careers. Right now, Murray doesn't have the clout to demand to be on a contender. Only guys who'd be founding members of a superteam could do that, and DeJounte at best can be expected to be a key starter on a contender that already has established stars. It would be like Draymond Green demanding a trade. Like sure, Dray is a great player whose impact has obviously helped the Warriors win their titles. But Curry (and Durant) are the superstars, and Golden State wouldn't panic about Dray the way they would those guys. The Spurs have already shed multiple HoFers almost every year for most a half-decade. They aren't looking at a 30-50 player leaving as a reason to fall apart.

[Sugus]

Lol what is the line on if he gets traded in 5-10 years. This guy should make markets in sports betting.

That's how you Nostradamus fake internet predictions for even faker "clout". Always push things into the future/horizon, never take too big a risk with your "predictions", always have a backpedal in the back of your pocket for when you're inevitably wrong and called out for it. "Oh, he still hasn't demanded a trade after 4 years? Well, I did say this was about the future, we just gotta keep waiting!".

Laughably pitiful.

[daslicer]

I said this 2 years ago and you idiots clowned me. After that Kawhi leonard shit, I said, "how are you guys gonna treat Murray when he asks to be traded?". I can find it and bump the thread.

If the Spurs are still middling lottery team or even just a 7th or 8th seed at best in a few years and Dejounte want's out I doubt anybody is going to be upset. The reason why people were upset about Kawhi wanting out is he tried to do it secretly without being honest about it from the get-go and he also destroyed the Spurs as a contender along with their reputation.

[KingKev]

Depends. If he were coming off his fourth year into an RFA summer, the Spurs might be willing to max him to keep him while trying to get less than that ala Collins with ATL. That first tier of max contracts is speculative. Guys like Wiggins and Russell get them just for having a pulse. I famously worried that the Spurs would max Murray had they not agreed to an extension a couple of years ago. But that next level of maxes -- meaning the one Murray will be eligible for when his contract runs out -- doesn't get handed out very freely. Flawed or relatively unaccomplished players don't usually get that kind of contract. You need multiple All-Stars to do so. Look at the list of guys in that ball-park: https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

You'll see either proven players or bad contracts that were handed out by desperate teams. I don't think Murray is any threat to get near that right now. Maybe he will get there, and this conversation would be different if that happens, but I don't know if STers really understand how far away he is from that tier still. He's playing really well, but there are a number of players who are in his tier making nowhere near max money. The guys making demands and bending teams to their wills are All-NBAers in the prime of their careers. Right now, Murray doesn't have the clout to demand to be on a contender. Only guys who'd be founding members of a superteam could do that, and DeJounte at best can be expected to be a key starter on a contender that already has established stars. It would be like Draymond Green demanding a trade. Like sure, Dray is a great player whose impact has obviously helped the Warriors win their titles. But Curry (and Durant) are the superstars, and Golden State wouldn't panic about Dray the way they would those guys. The Spurs have already shed multiple HoFers almost every year for most a half-decade. They aren't looking at a 30-50 player leaving as a reason to fall apart.

I agree with this. Don’t think the Spurs would get to a max when he approaches free agency in 2024 but wouldn’t be surprised to see a team with cap space and no free agents to sign to offer him near max money.

[R. DeMurre]

Well both of them are delusional and wrong and of course they both think that way. Of course Donny who is responsible for getting players to sign, wants to get them to sign for as little as possible and thus needs to be in the business of telling them they are not worth max money. And of course players and agents want the most money and are in the business of saying they are in fact max players and should be making max money.

You could say the thing about Donny. I always thought he was a shit GM. The only thing he ever did was be lucky enough to have a low maintenance all time great like Dirk, and he could only get one title out of a guy who became a progenitor like player that everyone in the nba covets to this day...the magical "big man who can shoot". He somehow backed doored that with Luka but Luka isn't a laid back chill dude like Dirk is so the second little Donny had to manage a personality and get off easy street, he couldn't even hang on to his job. I wonder well he get another one in the nba since the younger generation of front office people don't really care about who his father end and he spent years being known as the guy who struck out and literally every big free agent signing...

I wasn't using the quote as some big endorsement of Nelson at all. I just think it's accurate in terms of an honest assessment of top tier talent. Sometimes the worst thing a franchise can do is sign a guy to a max who doesn't deserve it-- think of someone like the Kings and Demarcus Cousins, or Kevin Love with the post-LeBron Cavs.

[KingKev]

I wasn't using the quote as some big endorsement of Nelson at all. I just think it's accurate in terms of an honest assessment of top tier talent. Sometimes the worst thing a franchise can do is sign a guy to a max who doesn't deserve it-- think of someone like the Kings and Demarcus Cousins, or Kevin Love with the post-LeBron Cavs.

Don’t think Cousins ever signed a max contract but there was a time pre injuries he was absolutely a max player. You thinking Drummond maybe?

[R. DeMurre]

Don’t think Cousins ever signed a max contract but there was a time pre injuries he was absolutely a max player. You thinking Drummond maybe?

No, definitely Cousins. His advanced stats were always much less impressive than his raw stats, and he didn't have the mental make up to be the leader of a team. Holding on to him set the Kings back at least half a decade. Trading him while his rep as a 20/10 big was still intact would've been the best move the Kings could've made, but they were too taken with the mostly meaningless raw stats he put up. Although Drummond is another good example.


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/9750405/demarcus-cousins-signs-4-year-contract-extension-sacramento-kings

[Chinook]

Cousins both got and earned a max contract, and that didn't hold back the Kings. That they couldn't get anyone nearly as good as him is what held them back. He definitely had his problems, and the Kings did well to get rid of him before his body broke down. It just sucks they placed too much value on Buddy Hield. Anyway, Cousins getting the low-level max is basically what I am talking about. Guys who get it end up busting out or disappointing all the time. The second-tier max? Not really. By year 7 or 8, teams don't assume there's upside. Maybe with two more years, Murray will be good enough to get that max. But if he were up for it now, I really don't think he'd get nearly that much. He wouldn't get more than DeRozan did, for example.

[R. DeMurre]

Cousins was never going to be the best player/leader of a good team. He couldn't even lead them to 35 wins-- a very low bar-- and having the most immature & volatile guy in the league as a centerpiece is a recipe for disaster. The Kings started to improve the minute they traded Cousins, and continued that trend, even with an overpaid Hield still on the roster.

[gambit1990]

That's how you Nostradamus fake internet predictions for even faker "clout". Always push things into the future/horizon, never take too big a risk with your "predictions", always have a backpedal in the back of your pocket for when you're inevitably wrong and called out for it. "Oh, he still hasn't demanded a trade after 4 years? Well, I did say this was about the future, we just gotta keep waiting!".

Laughably pitiful.

the second post in the thread:

i voted this offseason.

i'm sure dejounte is estatic about being on a team that lost to the pistons and then got blown out by the raptors.

[KingKev]

Cousins was never going to be the best player/leader of a good team. He couldn't even lead them to 35 wins-- a very low bar-- and having the most immature & volatile guy in the league as a centerpiece is a recipe for disaster. The Kings started to improve the minute they traded Cousins, and continued that trend, even with an overpaid Hield still on the roster.

Ppl said the same thing about Zbo and he matured in Memphis to be an absolute problem in the right way. Cousins had a pretty unique and valuable skill set when healthy.

[Chinook]

Cousins was never going to be the best player/leader of a good team. He couldn't even lead them to 35 wins-- a very low bar-- and having the most immature & volatile guy in the league as a centerpiece is a recipe for disaster.

The lower-level max is not something reserved for centerpieces. That's basically what I've been saying for a few posts now. Cousins made the All-Star team four times. That type of play is definitely worth a low-max. He didn't get a second max for the reasons you stated (he was actually traded by SAC in large part to avoid having to give him a DPE, which is what I think KK was thinking of when he thought Cousins never signed a max contract), but he both earned and lived up to that low-max.

I feel like you and I in particular have had this discussion at least once before. But at the risk of repeating myself, I'll say that max contracts are capped in such a way that require a player to be a true franchise cornerstone to earn them. Having a second- or even third-best player getting a max deal is relatively common, and giving out a low-max to a guy who's very good but not great isn't really that damaging given how trades work in the NBA. Maxing John Collins for example would've been just fine even if he ended up being a solid but not spectacular player. An All-NBA defender and distributor like a healthy Simmons can be worth even the Rose-max while not being able to carry a team's offense. It's fine. The NBA salary structure is robust enough to be able to absorb those contracts. The fact that Cousins' body broke down removed any real chance he had to show he was worth a second max, but there were and are far worse low-maxes in the league than his second contract.

[R. DeMurre]

The lower-level max is not something reserved for centerpieces. That's basically what I've been saying for a few posts now. Cousins made the All-Star team four times. That type of play is definitely worth a low-max. He didn't get a second max for the reasons you stated (he was actually traded by SAC in large part to avoid having to give him a DPE, which is what I think KK was thinking of when he thought Cousins never signed a max contract), but he both earned and lived up to that low-max.

I feel like you and I in particular have had this discussion at least once before. But at the risk of repeating myself, I'll say that max contracts are capped in such a way that require a player to be a true franchise cornerstone to earn them. Having a second- or even third-best player getting a max deal is relatively common, and giving out a low-max to a guy who's very good but not great isn't really that damaging given how trades work in the NBA. Maxing John Collins for example would've been just fine even if he ended up being a solid but not spectacular player. An All-NBA defender and distributor like a healthy Simmons can be worth even the Rose-max while not being able to carry a team's offense. It's fine. The NBA salary structure is robust enough to be able to absorb those contracts. The fact that Cousins' body broke down removed any real chance he had to show he was worth a second max, but there were and are far worse low-maxes in the league than his second contract.

I pretty much agree with all of the contract/money stuff that you're talking about, but the important component here is/was Cousins' incredible immaturity, and the necessity for every teammate and member of the coaching staff to be always be anxious & hyper-vigilant and ready to jump in if he decided it was time to fight or do something silly. I just don't think he was ever going to lead a great or even good team because they'd have to expend so much energy worrying about him. At his absolute best he put up monster numbers and led a volatile unhappy team to 33 wins. I think that's who he was unfortunately.

[Sugus]

the second post in the thread:


i'm sure dejounte is estatic about being on a team that lost to the pistons and then got blown out by the raptors.

Who said I was talking about just this thread? I wish this were the only stupid poll you've made on this forum...

I'm sure Dejounte is more thinking that he's gotta get back to his team and help them win, than he is thinking "man, what a trash team, I gotta get myself out of here!!". I'd understand if you were talking about someone like SGA, who's clearly pretty fed up with his team's constant losing and blatant tanking, but DJ is on an entirely different situation, culture, and team.

It's nice of you to vote "this offseason" though, so we can more rapidly determine that you're wrong. I commend the efficiency, tbh.

[talkspurs]

Cousins both got and earned a max contract, and that didn't hold back the Kings. That they couldn't get anyone nearly as good as him is what held them back. He definitely had his problems, and the Kings did well to get rid of him before his body broke down. It just sucks they placed too much value on Buddy Hield. Anyway, Cousins getting the low-level max is basically what I am talking about. Guys who get it end up busting out or disappointing all the time. The second-tier max? Not really. By year 7 or 8, teams don't assume there's upside. Maybe with two more years, Murray will be good enough to get that max. But if he were up for it now, I really don't think he'd get nearly that much. He wouldn't get more than DeRozan did, for example.

I see. So what your saying is a Player like Simmons can get a max because of where he was drafted but then when the second max comes around he wont get it. As I said he gets it on his name not on what he actually does. When their next contracts come up DJ will earn a better contract then Simmons.

[Chinook]

I see. So what your saying is a Player like Simmons can get a max because of where he was drafted but then when the second max comes around he wont get it. As I said he gets it on his name not on what he actually does. When their next contracts come up DJ will earn a better contract then Simmons.

Simmons was almost guaranteed a max contract because of where he was drafted, yes. But he got the Rose-max because he has multiple All-Star and All-NBA nods. He's still significantly more accomplished than Murray. Of course, now Simmons is a risk to be nowhere near the max on a new deal with his attitude/health problems. I'm not going to defend the idea that Simmons hasn't tanked his value recently. But if Murray of this year and Simmons of last year were both free agents eligible for the second-level max, then Simmons would still earn more. Ben is bigger, more accomplished and has better impact stats. I'm not going to keep debating the idea that Simmons wasn't productive or impactful. Evidence to demonstrate that he was both has been shown multiple times already. Nothing he does now retroactively makes him worse previously.

I feel like that is a pointless hypothetical though. Maybe if Ben comes back to play for a year or so to where he recovers his value from this holdout thing, then we'll be able to directly compare them. One of the chief reasons why I'd hope the Spurs aren't in Simmons discussions at all at this point is that it may take two seasons for him to play at his previous level if he even plays at all.

[talkspurs]

Simmons was almost guaranteed a max contract because of where he was drafted, yes. But he got the Rose-max because he has multiple All-Star and All-NBA nods. He's still significantly more accomplished than Murray. Of course, now Simmons is a risk to be nowhere near the max on a new deal with his attitude/health problems. I'm not going to defend the idea that Simmons hasn't tanked his value recently. But if Murray of this year and Simmons of last year were both free agents eligible for the second-level max, then Simmons would still earn more. Ben is bigger, more accomplished and has better impact stats. I'm not going to keep debating the idea that Simmons wasn't productive or impactful. Evidence to demonstrate that he was both has been shown multiple times already. Nothing he does now retroactively makes him worse previously.

I feel like that is a pointless hypothetical though. Maybe if Ben comes back to play for a year or so to where he recovers his value from this holdout thing, then we'll be able to directly compare them. One of the chief reasons why I'd hope the Spurs aren't in Simmons discussions at all at this point is that it may take two seasons for him to play at his previous level if he even plays at all.

Glad to see that you actually admitting Simmons was given his max more on where he was drafted then him actually earning it. As far as the advanced stats they will make a player on a better team look better. Since DJ really has not been on as good of teams his will be worse. Even if Simmons was playing as good as last year and DJ this year Simmons would not get a bigger deal. if he was as good you clam teams would be willing to give up more.

[Chinook]

Glad to see that you actually admitting Simmons was given his max more on where he was drafted then him actually earning it.

No, he literally could not have signed his extension had he not "earned" it. My whole point before you came into the thread is that the first tier of max contracts aren't given for production. But Simmons skipped the first tier of max and went to the second deal via the Rose/DRE deal he got to sign. To put it into perspective, Kawhi, even with a fMVP, didn't qualify for it (though he could have done so with the modern standards since a single DPOY is now enough and he got one in his fourth season). This isn't Andrew Wiggins getting a max just because he was a 6-8 former first-overall with tons of athleticism.


As far as the advanced stats they will make a player on a better team look better. Since DJ really has not been on as good of teams his will be worse.

That's not how advanced stats work. We've been over this, and this isn't a Simmons thread.


Even if Simmons was playing as good as last year and DJ this year Simmons would not get a bigger deal.

If you had two guys who played the same but one was 6-9 and the other 6-5, the taller guy would get more. Basketball is a game of inches.


if he was as good you clam teams would be willing to give up more.

More ... than what? We don't know who's willing to give up what for whom right now. We have no idea what if any offers teams have made the Spurs for Murray, and we don't know what teams have truly offered for Simmons. That's just a dead end of speculation, and this isn't the place for that, at least in terms of Simmons. I would be curious to know how teams around the league value Murray now given his play even though I still believe the team shouldn't consider moving him until the draft. RGMers are really split on him, which some thinking he's equivalent to guys like Sabonis while others think he and White can be had as a package deal for cheap. They certainly don't represent real execs, but it does help to get some perspective on DeJounte's performance outside of what it looks like against that of other Spurs.

[siraulo23]

Damion Lee got more votes than Dejounte :lol cmon Spurs fans

[TD 21]

Damion Lee got more votes than Dejounte :lol cmon Spurs fans

It's things like this that contribute to the majority of players wanting nothing to do with this organization.

[talkspurs]

No, he literally could not have signed his extension had he not "earned" it. My whole point before you came into the thread is that the first tier of max contracts aren't given for production. But Simmons skipped the first tier of max and went to the second deal via the Rose/DRE deal he got to sign. To put it into perspective, Kawhi, even with a fMVP, didn't qualify for it (though he could have done so with the modern standards since a single DPOY is now enough and he got one in his fourth season). This isn't Andrew Wiggins getting a max just because he was a 6-8 former first-overall with tons of athleticism.


That's not how advanced stats work. We've been over this, and this isn't a Simmons thread.



If you had two guys who played the same but one was 6-9 and the other 6-5, the taller guy would get more. Basketball is a game of inches.



More ... than what? We don't know who's willing to give up what for whom right now. We have no idea what if any offers teams have made the Spurs for Murray, and we don't know what teams have truly offered for Simmons. That's just a dead end of speculation, and this isn't the place for that, at least in terms of Simmons. I would be curious to know how teams around the league value Murray now given his play even though I still believe the team shouldn't consider moving him until the draft. RGMers are really split on him, which some thinking he's equivalent to guys like Sabonis while others think he and White can be had as a package deal for cheap. They certainly don't represent real execs, but it does help to get some perspective on DeJounte's performance outside of what it looks like against that of other Spurs.

By your own admission Ben was "almost guaranteed a max contract because of where he was drafted," now this max was going to be which ever max it was wither the standard or the one for being an all star. He got the allstar nod also partly to being on a good team and his name. If he would not have had him name recognition then he would not have made it.

Advanced stats are helped by being on a good team. They were designed not to do this but the team they play on does stilll effect most advanced stats. I player on a good team will tend to have better offense and defense numbers just because the team is better. basketball is still a team game so the team does effect them.

If I had two people that played the same and one was taller wouldnt care. as if they are the execpt same then they could switch in for one another. now I understand the point your trying to make. but if one is taller is the other faster, more agile? but if the excat same other then heights would not care as results are the same.

more then what? well most reports have been they are not willing to trade a certain player for him. if he was as good as you imply people would give up a far lessvaluable player for him but they cant even seem to get that. Sacramento might be changing their tune but untill the trade is made he is not worth the players that they are trying to get.

[gambit1990]

It's nice of you to vote "this offseason" though, so we can more rapidly determine that you're wrong. I commend the efficiency, tbh.
you'll be thinking about me until the end of the offseason?

i don't think about you at all.

and idc if my vote was wrong, i never said i guaranteed it. if you don't think this will be an issue going forward then that's on you.

[gambit1990]

I'm sure Dejounte is more thinking that he's gotta get back to his team and help them win, than he is thinking "man, what a trash team, I gotta get myself out of here!!". I'd understand if you were talking about someone like SGA, who's clearly pretty fed up with his team's constant losing and blatant tanking, but DJ is on an entirely different situation, culture, and team.
and :lmao

the spurs only have two more wins than the thunder :lol but the thunder have seven 1st round draft picks in the two next drafts.

the thunder probably will move SGA at some point because he'll want to not be part of the process anymore. same with dejounte. but okc will be in MUCH better place than the spurs.

[Chinook]

By your own admission Ben was "almost guaranteed a max contract because of where he was drafted," now this max was going to be which ever max it was wither the standard or the one for being an all star. He got the allstar nod also partly to being on a good team and his name. If he would not have had him name recognition then he would not have made it.

Again, not going to keep doing this. This isn't true, and you repeating it to twist what I said doesn't make it true. Simmons got his max because he earned it. Not every player who qualifies for the Rose-max gets it. It is a special designation that has to be negotiated by the player's agent. There's no shame in not knowing this minutia of the CBA, but you and I both know you're going to pretend like you didn't read this at the first opportunity and still act like Simmons got his contract independent of his performance.


Advanced stats are helped by being on a good team. They were designed not to do this but the team they play on does stilll effect most advanced stats. I player on a good team will tend to have better offense and defense numbers just because the team is better. basketball is still a team game so the team does effect them.

No. Advanced stats don't care how good the team is in an absolute sense. They were specially designed to factor that out. You're confusing the direction of potential causation. Players on good teams don't have good stats because they're on a good team. Teams with good players on them are good because the players are good, and the stats capture that. If anything, many stats may overrate players on bad teams, because their benches can usually keep up decent production. If Murray has a better plus-minus than Simmons, there's a very good possibility that it's because the Spurs lack the talent to compensate for Murray being on the bench while the Sixers can field such talent. Also, good players often generate a larger percentage of the total stats on a bad team than they do on good teams, since more players are capable of generating those stats. It's possible that Murray's advanced stats are seeing a bump in this manner now that he doesn't have Mills subbing in for him or DeRozan to share stats with.


If I had two people that played the same and one was taller wouldnt care. as if they are the execpt same then they could switch in for one another. now I understand the point your trying to make. but if one is taller is the other faster, more agile? but if the excat same other then heights would not care as results are the same.

In this scenario, the height was the only difference, so there isn't a speed or agility advantage for the smaller guy. Height, in and of itself is huge in the NBA. A taller guy can both play in bigger positions because he can match up with taller guys and he can use his size more on offense. The two players might both have the same skills and motions, but the taller players will have a larger shooting window and thus will likely make more shots. The difference between a 6-5 and 6-9 guy is the difference between a star two-guard and an MVP PF.


more then what? well most reports have been they are not willing to trade a certain player for him. if he was as good as you imply people would give up a far lessvaluable player for him but they cant even seem to get that. Sacramento might be changing their tune but untill the trade is made he is not worth the players that they are trying to get.

Who is they? Do you mean that the Spurs would be willing to trade Murray for Simmons? We have no idea if that's something either side would want. Certainly, you'll see a lot of fans of other teams who still think Simmons is worth way more than Murray. We don't know that Morey would want DJM at all, even though I firmly believe Pop wouldn't allow Murray to be dealt regardless. That same idea can apply to any package. We don't know what Morey would actually take. All we can do is speculate based off what he said, and he said he wanted a franchise player in return. Could he be lying? Yes. Could he change his mind? Also yes. But we don't know if those things are true.

[Sugus]

you'll be thinking about me until the end of the offseason?

i don't think about you at all.

and idc if my vote was wrong, i never said i guaranteed it. if you don't think this will be an issue going forward then that's on you.

Lol, you'd wish to have someone thinking about you at any time, much less throughout a season. Go get a girl young fella, this ain't it.

Of course you don't care to be wrong, look at the shit you post. I thought that part was already quite clear, gimme something else :wakeup


and :lmao

the spurs only have two more wins than the thunder :lol but the thunder have seven 1st round draft picks in the two next drafts.

the thunder probably will move SGA at some point because he'll want to not be part of the process anymore. same with dejounte. but okc will be in MUCH better place than the spurs.

Ah, how I love the conflation of picks to success. Hit me up when the Thunder win that 'ship, dale? Don't forget to hmu when Boston finally manages to turn those Nets picks into a ring, too, while you're at it. Or literally every other instance in the history of the NBA where a team had a lot of picks and squandered them. Of course, understanding the difficulty of turning those picks into actual, championship-level production is beyond you, which is why you make these stupid posts in the first place.

But oh well, I'm sure Dejounte will be kickin' and screamin' to get off these Process Spurs anytime, bud.

[talkspurs]

Again, not going to keep doing this. This isn't true, and you repeating it to twist what I said doesn't make it true. Simmons got his max because he earned it. Not every player who qualifies for the Rose-max gets it. It is a special designation that has to be negotiated by the player's agent. There's no shame in not knowing this minutia of the CBA, but you and I both know you're going to pretend like you didn't read this at the first opportunity and still act like Simmons got his contract independent of his performance.



No. Advanced stats don't care how good the team is in an absolute sense. They were specially designed to factor that out. You're confusing the direction of potential causation. Players on good teams don't have good stats because they're on a good team. Teams with good players on them are good because the players are good, and the stats capture that. If anything, many stats may overrate players on bad teams, because their benches can usually keep up decent production. If Murray has a better plus-minus than Simmons, there's a very good possibility that it's because the Spurs lack the talent to compensate for Murray being on the bench while the Sixers can field such talent. Also, good players often generate a larger percentage of the total stats on a bad team than they do on good teams, since more players are capable of generating those stats. It's possible that Murray's advanced stats are seeing a bump in this manner now that he doesn't have Mills subbing in for him or DeRozan to share stats with.



In this scenario, the height was the only difference, so there isn't a speed or agility advantage for the smaller guy. Height, in and of itself is huge in the NBA. A taller guy can both play in bigger positions because he can match up with taller guys and he can use his size more on offense. The two players might both have the same skills and motions, but the taller players will have a larger shooting window and thus will likely make more shots. The difference between a 6-5 and 6-9 guy is the difference between a star two-guard and an MVP PF.



Who is they? Do you mean that the Spurs would be willing to trade Murray for Simmons? We have no idea if that's something either side would want. Certainly, you'll see a lot of fans of other teams who still think Simmons is worth way more than Murray. We don't know that Morey would want DJM at all, even though I firmly believe Pop wouldn't allow Murray to be dealt regardless. That same idea can apply to any package. We don't know what Morey would actually take. All we can do is speculate based off what he said, and he said he wanted a franchise player in return. Could he be lying? Yes. Could he change his mind? Also yes. But we don't know if those things are true.

I copied what you put. If it wasnt true why did you say it? I agree that most players drafted high will get a max contact unless they are pretty bad. his max happened to be higher because he made the all star team.

Advanced stats does make a difference on which team you played on. look at forbes did he all of a sudden get good when he went to Milwuake? and then magically drop back down when he moved here? no he played on a better team so his advanced stats were better.

I understand what you are tying to say but if height is the only difference then they can guard the same players they can do the same things on offense and defense. I would not care who is taller. You go on to say that taller players can match up with bigger players which in general is true. but if everything else is the same they match up the same against each player.

They is nba teams. Noone has been willing to even come close to what they are wanting.

[gambit1990]

jerami grant went to detroit to be the guy and is already tired of being there.

how much losing does dejounte want to keep being apart of?

[John B]

jerami grant went to detroit to be the guy and is already tired of being there.

how much losing does dejounte want to keep being apart of?

Detroit wasn’t the team that drafted him. I think it’s different. Murray was groomed by the Spurs coaches and trainers. He knows it is a rebuilding team but something is on play to get him help, with what’s going on collecting assets, big caps in the Summer to afford hopefully a caliber player. In the meantime, he has the key to get all the shots that he wants, and even averaging almost a triple-double. I think he’ll test the market but evetually sign his max with Spurs, hopefully by then Spurs are a more competitive team. I think they are on the right path.

[tbdog]

jerami grant went to detroit to be the guy and is already tired of being there.

how much losing does dejounte want to keep being apart of?

Grant went to Det to put up numbers to get a thobias Harris like deal on his next contract

[daslicer]

jerami grant went to detroit to be the guy and is already tired of being there.

how much losing does dejounte want to keep being apart of?

I don't think you understand Dejounte wants to be the guy. He's in that stage of his career where wants to get his numbers and the Spurs have given him the keys to the car to do that. Dejounte knows he's not going to get that chance to get his numbers on another team like he's currently doing with the Spurs. He's 25 right now and won't be an FA until 2024. There is a chance he could leave as a FA but you have to ask yourself which team in this league can Dejounte be the number 1 guy? He doesn't strike me as a guy who wants to be number 2.

[rjv]

based on the amount of poll replies, i guess the majority response is "this poll sucks".

[SAGirl]

I do think if the team continues on the tank path for next season and so on, (meaning that they don't get lucky drafting a guy with star potential that can start helping with the win column) he will eventually get tired of losing and will want to get traded somewhere.

He has stated that the triple doubles don't mean anything to him if he's not winning games. I also remember him posting cringe emojis when the Spurs drafted Primo, presumably because he knew nothing about him and he was not who he was hoping the Spurs would get... but also the kid is so young, that he'd need years to be a difference maker, if he turns into one.

[gambit1990]

homie wants out.

[gambit1990]

Jake Fischer saying DJ & Trae Young have "mutual interest playing with each other."

[offset formation]

Of course he wants Atl, lol. Spurs evidently view Primo as his replacement for whatever deranged reason. I'm sure he does want to go.

[RC_Drunkford]

Of course he wants Atl, lol. Spurs evidently view Primo as his replacement for whatever deranged reason. I'm sure he does want to go.

having interest to play with Trae in ATL and wanting to go are 2 different things

[gambit1990]

having interest to play with Trae in ATL and wanting to go are 2 different things
i’m sure he’s more interested in being on a team that could win a round in the playoffs.

[gambit1990]

everyone trashed this thread :lol

the spurs wouldn't entertain trading DJ unless he wanted them to.

[gambit1990]

Never, dumb thread.

That's how you Nostradamus fake internet predictions for even faker "clout". Always push things into the future/horizon, never take too big a risk with your "predictions", always have a backpedal in the back of your pocket for when you're inevitably wrong and called out for it. "Oh, he still hasn't demanded a trade after 4 years? Well, I did say this was about the future, we just gotta keep waiting!".

Laughably pitiful.

[gambit1990]

me:

i voted this offseason.

[gambit1990]

twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1541215181656756228?

[gambit1990]

made a thread about derrick white getting traded the past season: it happens.
made a thread saying dejounte murray would be traded this offseason: it happens.

[gambit1990]

no one calling this thread dumb anymore :lol

[Thomas82]

made a thread about derrick white getting traded the past season: it happens.
made a thread saying dejounte murray would be traded this offseason: it happens.

Now you need to make one about Poetl being traded.

[scott]

made a thread about derrick white getting traded the past season: it happens.
made a thread saying dejounte murray would be traded this offseason: it happens.

Bro can we get a Doug thread please?

[KingKev]

Bro can we get a Doug thread please?

Pop one also. I’d take a heavily protected FRP from Golden State.

[gambit1990]

Not sure if serious.

Not anytime soon since he gets to be the number 1 option here whereas on a contending team, he would be the number 3 option.

These threads show the cuck attitude of today's league and fans

He's young and when you are young you want to be the guy. It's really about being the guy at his age and then once you get older that's when you care more about winning. That is how it is usually with most young guys.

DJM is still young and can afford to be the “head of snake” even with a bad team, to maybe pad stats and get an AS nof. With a contender, he’d be at the most a 3rd or 4th option. I think he starts getting impatient at the 2nd or 3rd year of his next contract, which would considerably be more, that would put him at 30 years old, if the Spurs are not a championship team by then. Then he starts chasing for a ring.

Murray seems strangely happy here. I don't totally understand it, but it's nice to see a player just enjoying their life and career and how good they have it. Maybe Clutch is more client-oriented than we give them credit for?

It wouldn't shock me if Murray ended up being a Spur his entire career.

Never, dumb thread. The kid knew his team would be on the young players’ development and not competing, he couldn’t complain about it now. And it appears the results are better than expected so there are reasons to be optimistic.

He is an Alpha so I think he will stay longer to be the top dog ... which will not be on any other team thats competing better than the Spurs do ....

:dramaquee

That's how you Nostradamus fake internet predictions for even faker "clout". Always push things into the future/horizon, never take too big a risk with your "predictions", always have a backpedal in the back of your pocket for when you're inevitably wrong and called out for it. "Oh, he still hasn't demanded a trade after 4 years? Well, I did say this was about the future, we just gotta keep waiting!".

Laughably pitiful.

https://twitter.com/toomightyszn/status/1549195739540111361

[gambit1990]

It's nice of you to vote "this offseason" though, so we can more rapidly determine that you're wrong. I commend the efficiency, tbh.
was i wrong ??

[tbdog]

That twitter post is concerning.

[MultiTroll]

https://twitter.com/toomightyszn/status/1549195739540111361
Wow is that verified as DJs real account?

[south side spur]

was i wrong ??

Yes you were wrong. When will Murray ask for a trade? He obviously didn’t the way he’s acting. From “The Spurs saved my life.” To “Won’t win for 15 years. It’s bigger than basketball.”? Just because White got traded? Just because he actually got traded? Huh?

[gambit1990]

Yes you were wrong. When will Murray ask for a trade? He obviously didn’t the way he’s acting. From “The Spurs saved my life.” To “Won’t win for 15 years. It’s bigger than basketball.”? Just because White got traded? Just because he actually got traded? Huh?
he didn’t want to be a spur anymore. if you can’t read that from what he posted on social media then you can’t deduce anything.

[gambit1990]

Wow is that verified as DJs real account?
yeah. he also replied that it’s not the fans, it’s the way the organization is run.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

PATFO traded his ass and he's salty AF lol make no mistake

[MultiTroll]

He must really be salty about a chance to be in the playoffs every year.

[KingKev]

He must really be salty about a chance to be in the playoffs every year.

Living in a better city, surrounded by considerably better talent with max money on the table in the near future.

[Ocotillo]

Living in a better city, surrounded by considerably better talent with max money on the table in the near future.

I know you said on the table but we'll see.

[south side spur]

he didn’t want to be a spur anymore. if you can’t read that from what he posted on social media then you can’t deduce anything.

Except he didn’t ask for a trade. Everyone knows this. Now you want to change the topic and talk about WHY he “didn’t want to be a Spur” anymore that’s fine. Those are two different issues though. You asked and I proved that you were wrong. Just because you’re one of those types that makes statements and then has to perpetually “explain yourself” because you were wrong that’s not my problem. I can use deductive reasoning just fine. How do you think I reached the conclusion that Murray felt betrayed because he realized the Spurs weren’t his family and that this is a business like he said every chance that he could? He got used and he got hurt it’s that simple.

Like many have already said he SHOULD be feeling free and happy now that he’s in a “better situation” where he can compete for a play off spot and conference championship. The Spurs should be in his rear view. Why would Murray feel like the Spurs won’t win for 15 years and their problems are bigger than basketball? Because the Spurs don’t see him as a franchise cornerstone and worth passing on 3 draft picks? He always said he understood that this is a business until he was actually involved in the business. The difference between talking and actually comprehending.

Now you want to bring up social media. Why would he reply to the person who said “DJ was loyal the Spurs weren’t” and say “This guy knows what he’s talking about?” Or something to that effect. Because he learned he’s not what he thought he was but obviously you won’t see that because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

[John B]

Who the fuck cares? The bitch is gone :bang

[KingKev]

I know you said on the table but we'll see.

It is most likely there if he continues to perform.

[Seventyniner]

It is most likely there if he continues to perform.

I agree.

My reasoning is that Atlanta won't trade so much of their draft capital and then allow the player they got in return to walk for nothing, or get back pennies on the dollar in a sign-and-trade. They will probably max out Dejounte if for no other reason than the sunk cost fallacy.

[gambit1990]

Except he didn’t ask for a trade.
he did ask for a trade, just like i told you all that he would.

he didn't want this to be a kawhi-like situation. that's why it got taken care of quickly and without the drama.

[exstatic]

he did ask for a trade, just like i told you all that he would.

he didn't want this to be a kawhi-like situation. that's why it got taken care of quickly and without the drama.

Unless you consider turning down an extension two years from now to be a trade request, he didn’t.

[gambit1990]

Unless you consider turning down an extension two years from now to be a trade request, he didn’t.
he wanted to be moved. and got moved when i said i said he would.

[Bballplaya]

Trash player. Glad he’s gone. Couldn’t stand watching him play our pg role.
there’s a reason you played so poorly in play in game

[gambit1990]

EVERYONE laughed when i made this thread.

i was right and you weren't.

[Sugus]

EVERYONE laughed when i made this thread.

i was right and you weren't.

We're still laughing :lmao you just can't help self owning, huh...

Do present the evidence that DJ asked for a trade, which was the entire point of the thread... Don't mind if I sit while I wait.

:lol "I was right and you weren't" man, get a girl. Or a dude. Just someone in your life :lol

[XDT76]

EVERYONE laughed when i made this thread.

i was right and you weren't.

If you were following things it's Spurs who approached him and asked him to move.

[Dejounte]

OP must be a charity case or special needs kid that timvp allows to fill this board with junk. I mean, the only explanation must be that he’s timvp’s nephew or something and that he feels sorry for him. No way this dude gets away with this bullshit on any other forum. It’s like a 10 year old who gets his own corner so the adults can mingle without having to worry about the kid. That’s what this feels like.

[gambit1990]

he wanted to be moved. and got moved when i said he would.

EVERYONE laughed when i made this thread.

i was right and you weren't.

We're still laughing :lmao you just can't help self owning, huh...

Do present the evidence that DJ asked for a trade, which was the entire point of the thread... Don't mind if I sit while I wait.

:lol "I was right and you weren't" man, get a girl. Or a dude. Just someone in your life :lol

If you were following things it's Spurs who approached him and asked him to move.

OP must be a charity case or special needs kid that timvp allows to fill this board with junk. I mean, the only explanation must be that he’s timvp’s nephew or something and that he feels sorry for him. No way this dude gets away with this bullshit on any other forum. It’s like a 10 year old who gets his own corner so the adults can mingle without having to worry about the kid. That’s what this feels like.
yeah, the spurs really wanted to trade dejounte so they could want to trade to get him back :lol

[gambit1990]

These threads show the cuck attitude of today's league and fans

i voted this offseason. i think he'll do it privately, it'd be the opposite of the kawhi / harden / ben simmons situations.

don't forget that he's with klutch.

Never, dumb thread. The kid knew his team would be on the young players’ development and not competing, he couldn’t complain about it now. And it appears the results are better than expected so there are reasons to be optimistic.
:lmao


It's nice of you to vote "this offseason" though, so we can more rapidly determine that you're wrong. I commend the efficiency, tbh.
how wrong did you determine that i was?


having interest to play with Trae in ATL and wanting to go are 2 different things
:lol

[RC_Drunkford]

yeah, the spurs really wanted to trade dejounte so they could want to trade to get him back :lol

you really must be one of the slowest people on here. Yes they wanted to trade him, so they can tank for Wemby. It's not Rocket science. And there's no report at all that said DJ wanted to get traded, still. They moved him cause the Hawks overpaid.

[gambit1990]

you really must be one of the slowest people on here. Yes they wanted to trade him, so they can tank for Wemby. It's not Rocket science. And there's no report at all that said DJ wanted to get traded, still. They moved him cause the Hawks overpaid.
what a fat L take. embarrassing. how convenient you never mentioned wemby in this thread :lmao

i think he'll do it privately, it'd be the opposite of the kawhi / harden / ben simmons situations.

[gambit1990]

RC_Drunkford went from:

having interest to play with Trae in ATL and wanting to go are 2 different things

to:

Yes they wanted to trade him, so they can tank for Wemby.
if it was so obvious then why didn't you just say they're tanking for wemby two years ago? :lmao

[RC_Drunkford]

you stupid moron I had Wemby in my signature for that entire season and a tank avatar. How more obvious can it get?

[gambit1990]

you stupid moron I had Wemby in my signature for that entire season and a tank avatar. How more obvious can it get?
idk, maybe post about it in the thread? :lol

i had covid happening in my signature since 2012. how more obvious can it get?

[RC_Drunkford]

idk, maybe post about it in the thread? :lol

i had covid happening in my signature since 2012. how more obvious can it get?

It's obvious to everybody on here that you're a moron too, but you don't get that either :lol

[gambit1990]

It's obvious to everybody on here that you're a moron too, but you don't get that either :lol
that's your opinion.

what's fact was me being right about when dejounte would be traded.

[gambit1990]

bonus:

made a thread about derrick white getting traded the past season: it happens.
made a thread saying dejounte murray would be traded this offseason: it happens.

[Rocalcio]

:lmao


how wrong did you determine that i was?


:lol

Yeah, we didn’t think this guy would become such a dickhead, what’s wrong with that ?

[Sugus]

:lmao


how wrong did you determine that i was?


:lol

Pathetically wrong, as usual, and still are. Dejounte has yet to ask for a trade, out of the Spurs at least, he's got it going with the Hawks already :lol

But it's like talking to a brick wall when you keep deluding yourself into being right. Anyway, Spurs still have the worst future in the division, eh? How's that going?

[itzsoweezee]

Do people really think that dejounte did not ask to be traded to Atlanta? It was an open secret that he, Trae, and Klutch wanted them to team up. Are people really this naive?

[Sugus]

Do people really think that dejounte did not ask to be traded to Atlanta? It was an open secret that he, Trae, and Klutch wanted them to team up. Are people really this naive?

Yes, I really think he didn't ask to be traded. Did Derrick ask to be traded as well? Did any other player? Or are we just assuming that all Klutch players just request trades randomly now?

We're a bit removed from the situation now, but I certainly don't remember much in terms of "smoke" around DJ supposedly asking out, not even here, which is usually an informative place for Spurs inside info. But feel free to quote something that I may have missed.

Otherwise, I'm standing firmly on the "it's pathetic to pretend like you know what transpired behind closed doors" hill, tbh.

E: also, I don't think it's "naive" at all to not draw conclusions from non-events. Other Klutch clients have certainly been much bolder in their approach to wanting trades or wanting a bag, so why wouldn't a loudmouth like DJ do it as well?

[itzsoweezee]

Yes, I really think he didn't ask to be traded. Did Derrick ask to be traded as well? Did any other player? Or are we just assuming that all Klutch players just request trades randomly now?

We're a bit removed from the situation now, but I certainly don't remember much in terms of "smoke" around DJ supposedly asking out, not even here, which is usually an informative place for Spurs inside info. But feel free to quote something that I may have missed.

Otherwise, I'm standing firmly on the "it's pathetic to pretend like you know what transpired behind closed doors" hill, tbh.

E: also, I don't think it's "naive" at all to not draw conclusions from non-events. Other Klutch clients have certainly been much bolder in their approach to wanting trades or wanting a bag, so why wouldn't a loudmouth like DJ do it as well?

Because the circumstances of one trade were one way, the circumstances of all trades must be the same? That makes no sense.



"We've actually been talking about two, three weeks," Murray said. "He pushed the needle and he wanted it as much as I wanted it, so this is going to be special. I think building that chemistry off the floor is most important."

[gambit1990]

Pathetically wrong, as usual, and still are. Dejounte has yet to ask for a trade, out of the Spurs at least, he's got it going with the Hawks already :lol

me, absolutely nailing when dejounte would be traded, when all y’all thought he was a lock to be a spur:

he did ask for a trade, just like i told you all that he would.

he didn't want this to be a kawhi-like situation. that's why it got taken care of quickly and without the drama.

[gambit1990]

Did Derrick ask to be traded as well?
i never made a thread about derrick white asking for a trade you retärded mongoloid. i made a thread about when he would be traded. and i was right about it happening.

[Sugus]

Because the circumstances of one trade were one way, the circumstances of all trades must be the same? That makes no sense.



"We've actually been talking about two, three weeks," Murray said. "He pushed the needle and he wanted it as much as I wanted it, so this is going to be special. I think building that chemistry off the floor is most important."

Of course they don't have to be the same, but there's this stupid belief with Klutch clients that it's *all* a ploy to get them to the Lakers with LeBron or whatever. I'm just saying, the same way DWhite was traded without necessarily asking for a trade himself, the same can be true for Dejounte, who again to my knowledge has never gone "public" (again, as public as they get) with a trade request. He just pouted afterwards like he often does on social media.

I don't know what the second quote is from or fully about, mind providing a link and/or context? Who's he talking about? Again, at the time, nothing to my memory came out about him demanding a trade, which is the topic at hand.

[Sugus]

me, absolutely nailing when dejounte would be traded, when all y’all thought he was a lock to be a spur:

Uh, you mean saying he would demand a trade, only for him to not demand it? But sure, validation is hard to come by nowadays :lol


i never made a thread about derrick white asking for a trade you retärded mongoloid. i made a thread about when he would be traded. and i was right about it happening.

I don't know why I keep expecting reading comprehension from someone who can't even remember what he's "guaranteeing" will happen. Anyways.

[gambit1990]

Uh, you mean saying he would demand a trade, only for him to not demand it? But sure, validation is hard to come by nowadays :lol
i literally said dejounte would ask for a trade privately you retärd.

he even talked shît after he left.

also, derrick white didn't ask for a trade. it's that simple. i only said that dejounte did. and guess what ?? i was right about when they would both get moved. back when you and everyone else thought that would never happen. try laughing at yourself tbh.

[gambit1990]

me = right because i absolutely nailed when dejounte and derrick white would be traded (when spurstalk thought i was nuts)
Sugus = thinking he's right because he's too retärded to know when he's wrong