Game Thread: Spurs at Nets - Jan 9,2022 -11:00am CST

[DC23]

Hopeful it's still a good game even with many of our players in COVID protocol.

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[Fireball]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c0/b2/98/c0b298ef8cfc6f893809eed14dec8e9a.gif ready for the game or ready to travel back in time to January 4th?

[heyheymymy]

:coffee

[KingKev]

That Riga time?

[John B]

Damn another miss game for me.

[TimDunkem]

So many have fucked up game threads lately. Looks like I'm not the only one too lazy to check the tip-off times these days. :lol

[Russ]

"I aint gettin on no time machine." -- Marvin Barnes

[Dex]

ready for the game or ready to travel back in time to January 4th?

https://c.tenor.com/ebJMu3k3j0IAAAAM/michael-scott-im-ready.gif

[Dejounte]

Hey, better than the OP using 1/6/2021 as the date.

[RC_Drunkford]

When is McDermott back?

[BatManu20]

Go Nets. :flag:

[BatManu20]

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[spurs10]

Go Spurs....maybe a split? As for the date being fixed, last I look spurs.com had the wrong time on their front page, so....:)

:flag:

[BatManu20]

Patty ‘bout to go off on us tbh. Though he’s having his worst month % wise as a Net right now.

3/19 from the floor his last 3 games.

[BatManu20]

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[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1480208349304139777?s=21

[Dirks_Finale]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1480208349304139777?s=21

I think he deserves an all star berth. You guys get a legit Superstar + and DJ would make a great Pippen.

[Dex]

I think he deserves an all star berth. You guys get a legit Superstar + and DJ would make a great Pippen.

Does he deserve it? Yes.

Will he get it? Probably not...they will go with "bigger names" or give guys like Mike Conley pity appearances before putting a Spur in the All-Star game, especially with our record.

In the West, you've got Steph, Ja, Paul, Booker, Luka, Mitchell, and Lillard who are all pretty much guaranteed to make it just based on reputation alone.

Barring serious injuries or H&S protocols...Murray will be on the outside looking in just like DeMar was when he played here (and is now leading All-Star voting in the East).

[John B]

Spurs Injuries: Zach Collins (Out — Ankle), Devin Vassell (Out — COVID-19 Protocols), Derrick White (Out — COVID-19 Protocols), Keldon Johnson (Out — COVID-19 Protocols), Thaddeus Young (Out — COVID-19 Protocols), Doug McDermott (Out — COVID-19 Protocols),
Nets Injuries: Kyrie Irving (Out — Unvaccinated), Joe Harris (Out — Ankle), LaMarcus Aldridge (Out — Foot)

Spurs play good against great teams, except they had KD and the Spurs have no answer. I hate watching Harden foul bait as and gets away with it. Patty will explode against his former team. Spurs down 35 pts (wink wink for reverse jinx) :flag::flag::flag::flag::flag:

[RC_Drunkford]

Primo vs. Harden is the match up to watch as we catch this L

[TrueSpursFan]

Has it been postponed to 6pm? I’m seeing it at 6 on DIRECTV channel guide

[KingKev]

Has it been postponed to 6pm? I’m seeing it at 6 on DIRECTV channel guide

Nah

[emanueldavidginobili]

Lonnie starting over Forbes

[TrueSpursFan]

Looks like tuning in to ballys, the game is on right now. Weird that they’re guide is wrong. It would not have recorded the game for me, I would have been upset. That’s why I check every game and make sure it gets recorded just in case.

[RC_Drunkford]

That Poeltl hook shot :lmao

[John B]

Missing this game at hotel lobby. Somehow that’s when they play great when I’m not watching :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Missing this game at hotel lobby. Somehow that’s when they play great when I’m not watching :lol

trust me you're not missing anything

[Degoat]

Not liking this start at all lol

[paperboy77]

Primo not hustling back.. what the heck my man?

[LeBowen]

That Poeltl hook shot :lmao

As I wrote last season, he's an unique player.
No other big in the league is as soft with no basketball skill whatsoever.

[KingKev]

Missing this game at hotel lobby. Somehow that’s when they play great when I’m not watching :lol

KBD already taking over

[r0drig0lac]

LW4!!!

[SPURt]

Lonnie going MVP right now

[RC_Drunkford]

Ok we good Superstar Lonnie tonight. Damn why can't he play like this all the time?

[SPURt]

I wish Lonnie would do this every night, that second and 1 really gave him the shooters bounce. It’d be even better if he could make free throws

[Rocalcio]

Lonnie has such a smooth style when he plays like that, I love it.

[LeBowen]

DJ is playing on all-star level, too bad he's stuck with these scrubs.

[LeBowen]

Oh no, 30 minutes of Forbes incoming.

[Degoat]

“I’d take our number 7 over theirs all day.”- Pop lmao

[BatManu20]

Spurs came to play. Very winnable game. BKN is overrated imo. So long as KD doesn’t go for 40+.

[SPURt]

Oh no, 30 minutes of Forbes incoming.
Please no, Pop pulled Primo dumb quick. Forbes minutes can’t be better than mistake riddled Primo minutes can they?

[LeBowen]

Spurs came to play. Very winnable game. BKN is overrated imo. So long as KD doesn’t go for 40+.


I don't think we'll win, but BKN is definitely overrated.
Iirc, they're 0-8 against top5 teams.

[KingKev]

Ok we good Superstar Lonnie tonight. Damn why can't he play like this all the time?

he goes off 1 quarter at a time. This your first rodeo?

[SPURt]

Spurs came to play. Very winnable game. BKN is overrated imo. So long as KD doesn’t go for 40+.
Brooklyn also is hurt by no Joe Harris or Kyrie Irving. I can’t imagine digging in and not getting vaxxed if I had the chance to play in the NBA. I’m sure he feels convicted to not get vaccinated and consumed by the emotion of the moment. But, when he gets old and he’s 60, his NBA days a distant memory, I wonder if he will regret missing the opportunity to make one more memory sharing the court and playing an NBA game?

[KingKev]

Richard Jefferson is sus

[BatManu20]

Richard Jefferson is sus


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[r0drig0lac]

Murray with 7 assists lol

[BatManu20]

Wieskamp gets cooked by Harden 1-on-1 and Pop pulls him immediately lol.

[KingKev]

Patty has his hard hat on.

[Rocalcio]

Cacok is basically getting every rebound.

[LeBowen]

I hate Forbes so much.

[SPURt]

Spurs have gone ice cold, these lineups are so busted too. Good thing the Nets are content to let Patty throw up air balls instead of forcing it to Durant.

[BatManu20]

Primo struggling so far. 2/10 from the field. Just needs to keep him head up and he’ll be fine.

[KingKev]

This team is just bad. Those who are arguing Landale vs Forbes vs Walker vs Ewbanks vs KBD vs White etc etc don’t understand these guys are all rounding errors.

[Cardinal]

this is an absolutely terrible lineup. put this on the coaching staff

[Leetonidas]

Well, it was fun while it lasted :lol

[LeBowen]

This team is just bad. Those who are arguing Landale vs Forbes vs Walker vs Ewbanks vs KBD vs White etc etc don’t understand these guys are all rounding errors.

Poor roster construction makes everyone look even worse than they are.
And no actual frist option is another issue. For example White will never be good enough to be the first option, but he'd definitely look better next to an actual star player.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The lineup to end the 2nd is pure tankathon.

[KingKev]

Cue the John B “Deounte isn’t the “”head of the snake”” comment”

[Leetonidas]

I get that were down half the team but jesus Pop wtf are some of these lineups. Why do we have this unit closing the half when they have Harden and Durant out there :lmao

[itzsoweezee]

Lol bum forbes. Please get this guy off the court

[twincam]

You can literally see the panic in their eyes.

[TimDunkem]

Poor roster construction makes everyone look even worse than they are.
And no actual frist option is another issue. For example White will never be good enough to be the first option, but he'd definitely look better next to an actual star player.

Both are true. This is a poorly constructed roster filled with scrubs even when everyone is available to play.

[itzsoweezee]

I still can’t believe this team runs plays for Forbes

[Degoat]

We’re only down by 9 to a team with two top 10 players chill out guys lol

[John B]

Can’t they sign Tyler for Forbes instead? And Cacok too seems to be another good pickup

[Leetonidas]

We’re only down by 9 to a team with two top 10 players chill out guys lol

Harden has not been a top 10 player this year imho. injuries/age/rule changes/general fatness is beginning to take its toll on his game

[KingKev]

Can’t they sign Tyler for Forbes instead? And Cacok too seems to be another good pickup

We just need another year of these guys to come together! KBD, Cacok, Wesenkamp, Tyler Johnson, Tre Jones is a nice 2nd lineup. Landale starts obvi.

[r0drig0lac]

Forbes playmaking

[gambit1990]

fück the nets. get this w jock.

[RC_Drunkford]

I like Cacock. He's tough, long, athletic. Just needs a jump shot

[Rocalcio]

That’s a close game.

[LeBowen]

If only Landale wasn't so slow on defense. Hopefully he can improve over the summer. Having a big with actual basketball skills on offense makes a huge difference.

[KingKev]

Free Eubanks

[Rocalcio]

Primo kid doesn’t know fear.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Primo has a couple of nifty moves when he attacks the rim.

[Rocalcio]

This game shows the second unit can be productive, so encouraging for the future.

[RC_Drunkford]

Landale with 2 corner 3s and a put back dunk, Cacock with the breakaway dunk and Primo drawing 2 FTs with an upfake and a step through against KD. Great sequence

[TimDunkem]

Forbes screaming at Primo that he was open after Primo patiently working Durant off his foot for a foul/attempt at a layup.


Forbes is selfish.

[Rocalcio]

Cacok for the tie at the buzzer !

[John B]

It’s a ballgame now :lol

[Rocalcio]

I can’t believe what this lineup is doing right now.

[Uriel]

Nets announcers so arrogant, calling the Spurs a "G-League team" and saying this'll be their last game if it goes into overtime.

[LeBowen]

Well, another good L.

Keep the tank rolling, I can't wait to see the undersized guard we take with that top5 pick.

[John B]

I can’t believe what this lineup is doing right now.

Spoke too soon :lol

[Leetonidas]

What a bullshit foul. Harden made sure he landed on DJ

[John B]

What a bullshit foul. Harden made sure he landed on DJ

Harden might end up as one of my hated players next to Zaza and Derek :lol

[John B]

Spurs going for last come back

[Rocalcio]

Spoke too soon :lol

Still, that was unexpected and impressive.

[John B]

Let’s go Spurs!

[Rocalcio]

Lonnie !

[John B]

GSG! :flag:

[r0drig0lac]

Primo!!!

[Uriel]

Add another moral victory to the win-loss column.

[Rocalcio]

Primo !!!

[r0drig0lac]

Walker is so talented

[LeBowen]

Nets think they'll be able to just flip the switch when it's needed, but it doesn't work like that.

They'll get destroyed in the playoffs.

[BatManu20]

Walker is so talented

You ain’t lyin’. If he could just put it all together.

[BatManu20]

Spurs about to steal this game. Nets’ offense has gone ice cold.

[koriwhat]

PRIMO!!!!

[John B]

Tied game. GSG! :flag::flag::flag:

[BatManu20]

OT unless Spurs hit a miracle shot here

[BatManu20]

Harden has really fallen off. Dude plays ZERO defense and his offense sure ain’t what it used to be with the new rules in place. KD having to carry that team.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I like the Big Black Cacock.

He's a good player.

[Uriel]

Man, that play gave me flashbacks to that Johnson play at Detroit.

[John B]

I like the Big Black Cacock.

He's a good player.

If Spurs sign Cockburn, they could be a duo

[itzsoweezee]

Good play, bad pass. Was that jock, again?

[John B]

Let’s go Spurs! :flag::flag::flag:

[LeBowen]

Lonnie's two shots rim out, they score two putbacks.

Can't win like that.

[gambit1990]

way to blow a 3 on 1.

[John B]

Spurs played well. Great game Lonnie. And yes KBD with 10 pts is not bad.

[Rocalcio]

That’s a really entertaining game !

[John B]

Forbes can still win with a 3!

[gambit1990]

bryn or primo shooting this?

[Rocalcio]

Honestly I don’t really care about the loss, the guys showed some heart and they’ll learn form this game.

[KingKev]

LOL

[Uriel]

Add another moral victory to the win-loss column.
:wakeup

[SPURt]

Welp, one more game closer to a good draft pick

[LeBowen]

Well, can't even say that was anticlimactic because that's the usual play we get.

[RC_Drunkford]

just like Pop drew it up :lol worst out of bounds play calling coach in the league, but we know that already. Still a very good game from the young guys

[Thomas82]

Good game!! In the end, it worked out the way it was supposed to.

[itzsoweezee]

Holy cow. What a play

[John B]

Lonnie making that would’ve been great. But that was a great game by Lonnie.

[Degoat]

I actually think it showed Becky might have drawn up that play unless I’m mistakened lol

[itzsoweezee]

Weird how Landale is now the designated inbounder in the clutch. The guy is not good in that role

[daslicer]

Lonnie didn't even get the shot off in time. Terrible play called by Pop out of timeout but other than that this was a fun game to watch.

[KingKev]

Spurs played well. Great game Lonnie. And yes KBD with 10 pts is not bad.

In 37 minutes. You are slow.

[Dex]

Good fight from the team overall. If there is anything such as a moral victory, this is it...a bunch of bench players and GLeaguers hanging with two Top 10 players (and arguably the best in the league with Durant) on their home court.

Murray continues to disappoint me in crunch time. I don't give a shit about his trip-dubs if he can't be counted on to close games, and he continues to shrink in the big moments. Missed shots, not running offense....just overall, not pretty.

7/22 is not going to cut it if he wants to consider himself a star player. At this point, he is just becoming a lesser version of DeRozan.

Add another loss on the tank tally, I suppose.

[KingKev]

Good fight from the team overall. If there is anything such as a moral victory, this is it...a bunch of bench players and GLeaguers hanging with two Top 10 players (and arguably the best in the league with Durant) on their home court.

Murray continues to disappoint me in crunch time. I don't give a shit about his trip-dubs if he can't be counted on to close games, and he continues to shrink in the big moments. At this point, he is just becoming a lesser version of DeRozan.

Add another loss on the tank tally, I suppose.

He literally has to do EVERYTHING.

[John B]

In 37 minutes. You are slow.

I waited for the game to finish :lol. But seriously KBD is way better defender at PF that’s all I’m asking. This could easily be ally-op feast on Poeltl all night.

[Dex]

He literally has to do EVERYTHING.

Boo hoo. Maybe he should do it better if he wants to call his own number at the end of games.

We were better off with Lonnie Walker, Jakob Poeltl, and a 19-year old rookie taking shots in the final minutes of the game than we were with Murray.

[Thomas82]

I wonder which Spurs team will show up against the Knicks tomorrow.

[BatManu20]

Good loss tbh. The tank rolls on. :flag:

[BatManu20]

Love Primo getting this many minutes. More of this Pop. Please.

[John B]

I wonder which Spurs team will show up against the Knicks tomorrow.
:lol Knowing the Hyde and Jekyll Spurs, they get buried tomorrow :bang

[BatManu20]

I wonder which Spurs team will show up against the Knicks tomorrow.

Probably some tired legs late in the game but the Knicks aren’t very good so could win that one.

[Dejounte]

Boo hoo. Maybe he should do it better if he wants to call his own number at the end of games.

We were better off with Lonnie Walker, Jakob Poeltl, and a 19-year old rookie taking shots in the final minutes of the game than we were with Murray.

The same Lonnie who missed four shots in overtime? Primo, who was even less efficient? Such trash posts. You clearly have no understanding of the game.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Awesome game to watch.

Primo's shot wasn't falling but he's earned some trust with Pop considering he was there to end the 4th and in overtime. He was moving and competing on defense.

[RC_Drunkford]

Lonnie should be the closer. He's the best iso scorer on this team. DJ still has to work on that. Primo and Cacock were great tonight. KBD played some good D. Lonnie was aggressive. A lot of positives in this moral victory

[KingKev]

Boo hoo. Maybe he should do it better if he wants to call his own number at the end of games.

We were better off with Lonnie Walker, Jakob Poeltl, and a 19-year old rookie taking shots in the final minutes of the game than we were with Murray.

Walker forced a pass when he had a bucket on the break on that final play. Jak had a BAD offensive foul on the last Spurs possession in regular time.

[Degoat]

Murray has made the most clutch shots this year that has resulted in wins that I can think of tbh on that fast break Lonnie gave the ball up to Murray because he didn’t want it lol

[DAF86]

Love Primo getting this many minutes. More of this Pop. Please.

Agree. Wish he could start scoring a bit more though. Make it impossible for Pop to bench him when everybody comes back.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Primo gained more experience in this game alone than he has in the 12 G league games he has played.

[paperboy77]

Good loss tbh. The tank rolls on. :flag:

Sad but true.

[Dejounte]

Murray’s inefficiency therein lies in his inability to make layup shots. You want him to take those. His FG% drops when he misses five of those gimmes a game. He’s not chucking up boneheaded midrange shots, like the stupid narrative Dex (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=403) is pushing. You want your players to take shots that they should be taken. If Murray crossed over a guy and cleared a lot of space that way, take that fucking shot. If Murray is right there in the paint and has an opportunity for the layup, take the fucking shot. You live with those shots. It’s dumb as hell to blame Murray for taking those shots, and that’s ignoring the fact that there’s six guys out and that Murray has to fill that gap somehow with the lack of talent in the rotation.

[KingKev]

Murray’s inefficiency therein lies in his inability to make layup shots. You want him to take those. His FG% drops when he misses five of those gimmes a game. He’s not chucking up boneheaded midrange shots, like the stupid narrative Dex (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=403) is pushing. You want your players to take shots that they should be taken. If Murray crossed over a guy and cleared a lot of space that way, take that fucking shot. If Murray is right there in the paint and has an opportunity for the layup, take the fucking shot. You live with those shots. It’s dumb as hell to blame Murray for taking those shots, and that’s ignoring the fact that there’s six guys out and that Murray has to fill that gap somehow with the lack of talent in the rotation.

He is also balancing me first vs playmaking with guys who can’t make shots at the best of time. Additionally, if I’m Murray why am I rewarding guys who can’t check their own man or play help defense 50% of the time.

[Dejounte]

He is also balancing me first vs playmaking with guys who can’t make shots at the best of time. Additionally, if I’m Murray why am I rewarding guys who can’t check their own man or play help defense 50% of the time.

It’s almost like some guys here want the poison mentality of being too passive to be spread among all players on the team. “Let’s downplay Murray’s contributions because I want to focus everything entirely on his FG%! Fuck the fact he keeps the team competitive, fuck the fact that he sets the tone on defense along with Poeltl, and fuck the fact that he pushes the pace and forces the players on offense to stay on their toes instead of being complacent all game.”

[Dex]

The same Lonnie who missed four shots in overtime? Primo, who was even less efficient? Such trash posts. You clearly have no understanding of the game.

Yes, the same Lonnie who scored the first 12 points of the game when the team was floundering to find offense, and who finished with a season high 25 on 9/20 shooting.

Yes, the same Lonnie who scored 11 points in the 4th/OT quarter to keep the Spurs alive.

And yes, the same Primo who hit the clutch three with 41 seconds left to help send the Spurs to overtime (which was, by the way, assisted by Walker).

Meanwhile, Murray in the 4th/OT...1/8 FG, 2/2 FT, 1 TO, 2 fouls...4 points, no assists.

I know you want to defend your namesake, but I actually watched the game and am not just looking at the box score.

Not only did Murray shoot 7/22 which is something we would have roasted guys like Kobe for, but he was a non-factor in the end of the game. This has been a problem for a while now.

The Spurs don't need a lesser version of Westbrook. And no, I don't buy "but he's having to try harder because guys are out!" as an excuse. :rolleyes

[Robz4000]

Welp, wish I could've seen this one. Glad it was another moral victory tbh; keep that tank on track.

[Dejounte]

Yes, Walker who scored the first 12 points of the game when the team was floundering to find offense, and who finished with a career high 25 on 9/20 shooting.

Yes, Walker who scored 10 points in the 4th quarter to keep the Spurs alive.

And yes, Primo who hit the clutch 3 with 41 seconds left to help send the Spurs to overtime (which was, by the way, assisted by Walker).

Meanwhile, Murray in the 4th/OT...1/8, 2/2 FT, 1 TO, 2 fouls...4 points, no assists.

I know you want to defend your namesake, but I actually watched the game and am not just looking at the box score.

Not only did Murray shoot 7/22 which is something we would have roasted guys like Kobe for, but he was a non-factor in the end of the game. This has been a problem for a while now.

Fuck namesakes, that doesn’t matter to me. I’ve slammed DJ before. But I know when it’s time to give credit where credit is due and folks here continue to refuse giving it to DJ because they “grew up” with the model of efficiency in Tim and Kawhi. The game has changed and you can look anywhere around the league and see these mega stars don’t keep their level of efficiency as they used to. You’re so focused on the end of game when theres four quarters of play and if Murray doesn’t meet your criteria of closing games out then he’s a bad player. There’s no flexibility in your mind, no way to bend your logic, no “ifs or buts” about anything. It’s called being narrow-minded.

[Dex]

Fuck namesakes, that doesn’t matter to me. I’ve slammed DJ before. But I know when it’s time to give credit where credit is due and folks here continue to refuse giving it to DJ because they “grew up” with the model of efficiency in Tim and Kawhi. The game has changed and you can look anywhere around the league and see these mega stars don’t keep their level of efficiency as they used to. You’re so focused on the end of game when theres four quarters of play and if Murray doesn’t meet your criteria of closing games out then he’s a bad player. There’s no flexibility in your mind, no way to bend your logic, no “ifs or buts” about anything. It’s called being narrow-minded.

I'm fine with being narrow-minded if it's what is costing the team wins. There is a difference between not being flexible, and acknowledging where there is a problem. Murray has a history of making boneheaded plays at the worst times, or shrinking in the big moments.

SpursTalk lambasted DeRozan for the same thing, but Murray gets a pass for some reason? You can't have it both ways.

We saw it last year, we saw it in the bubble, and today is another perfect example.

Leaders lead their teams in tough moments. Murray can talk the talk all we wants, but he needs to show up when all the chips are on the table if he truly wants to be the leader of this team or ANY team.

[Dejounte]

Either you only watch the Spurs or you’ve never watched Westbrook play :lmao

If a banana has a spot on it and an apple has a spot on it, does that make the banana an apple?

That’s when you know these arguments are weak— to compare DJ to WB because of shot inefficiency when they each score the basketball in their own way. Let’s ignore the fact that DJ carries an AST/TO ratio Westbrook has never sniffed.

[Dejounte]

I'm fine with being narrow-minded if it's what is costing the team wins. There is a difference between not being flexible, and acknowledging where there is a problem. Murray has a history of making boneheaded plays at the worst times, or shrinking in the big moments.

SpursTalk lambasted DeRozan for the same thing, but Murray gets a pass for some reason? You can't have it both ways.

We saw it last year, we saw it in the bubble, and today is another perfect example.

Leaders lead their teams in tough moments. Murray can talk the talk all we wants, but he needs to show up when all the chips are on the table if he truly wants to be the leader of this team or ANY team.

If you can’t understand why the Spurs lost today isn’t because of Murray when there’s a few other REALLY fucking obvious reasons why they did…then I don’t really know what to tell you. It’s not rocket science. Really, it’s not.

[Dex]

If you can’t understand why the Spurs lost today isn’t because of Murray when there’s a few other REALLY fucking obvious reasons why they did…then I don’t really know what to tell you. It’s not rocket science. Really, it’s not.

I never said that Murray was the only factor. To be honest, the Spurs were lucky to even have a shot at winning today.

What I said is that I am finding it hard to trust Murray to close games, especially in tight situations like the Spurs faced today.

We can argue until the cows come home, but you can't honestly look at his 4th/OT stats and tell me that he did a good job in this game.

[Dejounte]

I never said that Murray was the only factor. To be honest, the Spurs were lucky to even have a shot at winning today.

What I said is that I am finding it hard to trust Murray to close games, especially in tight situations like the Spurs faced today.

We can argue until the cows come home, but you can't honestly look at his 4th/OT stats and tell me that he did a good job in this game.

First, let’s dissect your post.

I’m going to guide you through. Just trust me.

Why is it “lucky” the Spurs had a shot at winning today? Why is that the term used?

and next…

Why is it that the criteria for DJ doing a good job in this game only looked at in the 4th/OT?

These two have something in common… You just have to make the mental connection.

Hint: a basketball game is more than a single quarter + OT.

Hint: The Spurs were not “lucky” to have a shot. A certain player you’re insistent on downplaying the performance of contributed to that, and using “lucky” to describe it is proof of that. That’s your brain making leaps of logic to avoid the truth.

[KingKev]

I never said that Murray was the only factor. To be honest, the Spurs were lucky to even have a shot at winning today.

What I said is that I am finding it hard to trust Murray to close games, especially in tight situations like the Spurs faced today.

We can argue until the cows come home, but you can't honestly look at his 4th/OT stats and tell me that he did a good job in this game.

One game where no one player particularly played well. Maybe Murray needs some help to close out games because he is the only player, outside of Jak who consistently keeps this team afloat. Who is a closer on this team? White? Walker? KBD? Forbes? Jok?

[TDomination]

Boo hoo. Maybe he should do it better if he wants to call his own number at the end of games.

We were better off with Lonnie Walker, Jakob Poeltl, and a 19-year old rookie taking shots in the final minutes of the game than we were with Murray.

Lol yeah he should know how to be a great closer since he’s been a star player for years in this league

If he makes mistakes at the end of games he should just defer to his teammates and not try anymore in the future.

the mere fact that dejounte continues to call his own numbers shows the confidence he has in himself which is exactly what you want. He needs that mentality. Stars have that mentality. He’ll get better. This is his first season as truly being alpha and he’s doing pretty darn good.

[CGD]

I have to say, this is the most entertaining tank. The spurs are no easy out.

[8sy21vd]

Tough loss but good to see Primo flash some skills. Murray wasn't efficient but hard to blame him considering 3 of your top 5 players are out. Overall, he's done a great job this season and he might still be recovering physcially from his COVID episode. OT-The Nets look awful. Harden in particular has fallen off. If Durant get hurt, they are out in R1.

[PhantomDashCam]

Just got done watching the replay of this one.

Thought this was one of Bryn’s best games as a Spur.

Primo getting crunch time minutes was great to see. And then for Pop to play him over Forbes, considering the games both were having; was surprising and ultimately really encouraging for the development of this team.

Lonnie was decisive for the majority of the game, in-line with the way he was playing pre-Covid.

[LeBowen]

DJ's biggest problem is that he's not able to consistently draw fouls.
13.2 2pt FGA and only 2.2 FTs per game.

For example Derrick has 2.9 on only 6.6 2pt FGA.

He'll never be an elite offensive player, but in today's league good players make up for bad shooting nights by always being able to get to the line. And that's something DJ must work on.

[KingKev]

I have to say, this is the most entertaining tank. The spurs are no easy out.

Bingo. Still playing hard and will add a solid lottery pick, hopefully clean up the back court backlog rotation by flipping a player or two for positions of need.

[tonight...you]

DJ's biggest problem is that he's not able to consistently draw fouls.
13.2 2pt FGA and only 2.2 FTs per game.

For example Derrick has 2.9 on only 6.6 2pt FGA.

He'll never be an elite offensive player, but in today's league good players make up for bad shooting nights by always being able to get to the line. And that's something DJ must work on.
If there is a player in this League that I trust who will work on a shortcoming, it's DJ.
He's a step-by-step guy, but he makes those steps and moves to the next one.
I expect a material difference next year in that deficiency.

[BackHome]

Primo not hustling back.. what the heck my man?

Didn't we get rid of Luka for that?

[MannyIsGod]

Boo hoo. Maybe he should do it better if he wants to call his own number at the end of games.

We were better off with Lonnie Walker, Jakob Poeltl, and a 19-year old rookie taking shots in the final minutes of the game than we were with Murray.

Oh fuck off. i'm not sure what your problem with DJM is but the fact that this dude has to carry this team is important context and he's not even bad at the end of games according to the clutch stats. This is fucking nonsense.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Good loss tbh. The tank rolls on. :flag:

:lma

[MannyIsGod]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season


DJM is top 20 in FGM per clutch game situation. He's top 40 in Points and easily the best Spur. This is not even considering the defensive aspect.

Once again Dex is somehow mad at DJM for not being Kobe. Such a stupid fucking take the first time and now you've decided to double down on it.

[Dex]

If y'all want to continue to watch DJM shoot us out of games and act like he is the answer, be my guest.

I'm just stating my opinion.

[BackHome]

DJM had a bad day of shooting but he did have 12 assist so I like that he is trending in the right way as a PG

[Dejounte]

If y'all want to continue to watch DJM shoot us out of games and act like he is the answer, be my guest.

I'm just stating my opinion.

Absolutely NO one is saying is the answer and nearly EVERYONE is saying he needs help. The fact that you aren’t recognizing what you’re writing here and that you’re pushing narratives on people is what’s appalling here. You’ve gone off the deep end and can’t realize it.

[MannyIsGod]

If y'all want to continue to watch DJM shoot us out of games and act like he is the answer, be my guest.

I'm just stating my opinion.

The answer to what? As a primary option? Who's the person here saying that DJM is going to be an MVP level player leading the Spurs to a championship? I missed that post. You are complaining that he is an unclutch player and that he's bad at the end of the game which is 100% wrong. That's not an opion, that's something you can check with stats. They are linked right there for you. You claim there are loads of Spurs better than him, and once agian, that is not an opinion that is something you can check with stats and they are linked for you.

You are wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

Good fight from the team overall. If there is anything such as a moral victory, this is it...a bunch of bench players and GLeaguers hanging with two Top 10 players (and arguably the best in the league with Durant) on their home court.

Murray continues to disappoint me in crunch time. I don't give a shit about his trip-dubs if he can't be counted on to close games, and he continues to shrink in the big moments. Missed shots, not running offense....just overall, not pretty.

7/22 is not going to cut it if he wants to consider himself a star player. At this point, he is just becoming a lesser version of DeRozan.

Add another loss on the tank tally, I suppose.

Lol this whole post as an opinion is just fucking stupid. I would love DJM to be a lesser version of Derozan closing out games. Contrary to waht Spurs fans have said for years, Derozan was always among league leaders in clutch points. He's a fucking great player to finish out games on the offensive end. If DJM is comparable to him, then you should be celebrating that and you're saying it as if its a bad thing. Unfucking real. Furthermore, DJM actually defends. Just overall nonsense really.

[Dex]

Absolutely NO one is saying is the answer and nearly EVERYONE is saying he needs help. The fact that you aren’t recognizing what you’re writing here and that you’re pushing narratives on people is what’s appalling here. You’ve gone off the deep end and can’t realize it.

Fair enough. I'll get off my tangent for a while, and appreciate the debate.

Obviously we were spoiled in watching the greatness of the Big 3 for so long. All said, Murray has made great strides in his career and is obviously the best player on the Spurs, and maybe that's why I have high standards for him. I'd really like to see him taking over in 4th quarters.

[Slippy]

What a game by the team and Lonnie who almost willed the win. Manu has definitely had an impact on his play of late.

Two key plays where the spurs had a chance to win was Jacobs reckless screen leading to turnover and DJs missed a tough lay up in OT from a Lonnie pass.

Man im spewing.

Spurs could of stole this game.

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Another perfect game. Youngins get run. Spurs lose. More of this, please.

This is our lowest win pct so far this year and we are 9 games under .500, and tied for 10th worst in the western conference

[SpurPadre]

Another perfect game. Youngins get run. Spurs lose. More of this, please.

This is our lowest win pct so far this year and we are 9 games under .500, and tied for 10th worst in the western conference

We have the 8th slot in the draft at this point with only 2 games back for 4th pick. Realistically, though, I don't see us moving any higher than 6th at best before the ping pong balls do their thing.

[duncan2k5]

Some guy in here really said Murray has been sucking in the 4th quarter this season... LMFAO! ok bro... Not sure what games u have been watching, but ok...


Murray wasn't good this game, and he definitely needs to attack the basket more and learn to draw fouls... But his leadership is top notch, the guys seem to trust him and he will get better...

Ppl seem to forget even the best players have really bad games... And for a 25 year old guy who was never meant to be a star, running a team for the first time, ur gonna have games like this...no one is looking at Murray as a Duncan, Ginobili,Parker level player... but he can be a solid starter for a championship team and borderline all star...in that context, he has been performing wonderfully and is CLEARLY the best and most important player when it comes to our team's growth and success...he will continue to learn...he seems like a player that gets angry and wants to go harder when he fails rather than sulk and hang his head

[duncan2150]

Some guy in here really said Murray has been sucking in the 4th quarter this season... LMFAO! ok bro... Not sure what games u have been watching, but ok...


Murray wasn't good this game, and he definitely needs to attack the basket more and learn to draw fouls... But his leadership is top notch, the guys seem to trust him and he will get better...

Ppl seem to forget even the best players have really bad games... And for a 25 year old guy who was never meant to be a star, running a team for the first time, ur gonna have games like this...no one is looking at Murray as a Duncan, Ginobili,Parker level player... but he can be a solid starter for a championship team and borderline all star...in that context, he has been performing wonderfully and is CLEARLY the best and most important player when it comes to our team's growth and success...he will continue to learn...he seems like a player that gets angry and wants to go harder when he fails rather than sulk and hang his head


Totally agree

People don't realize how much Murray is good for us this year and also clutch in a lot of games, just remember Boston a few days ago...

[KingKev]

Fair enough. I'll get off my tangent for a while, and appreciate the debate.

Obviously we were spoiled in watching the greatness of the Big 3 for so long. All said, Murray has made great strides in his career and is obviously the best player on the Spurs, and maybe that's why I have high standards for him. I'd really like to see him taking over in 4th quarters.

Don’t agree with your original post but I respect the humility here. Cheers!

[XDT76]

Murray sure is still someway off tier 1 player, but if he has one more off season like the last 2, he is gonna be a Monster next season. We might have a steal by extending his contract just b4 he is eligible for Max contract all thanks to NBA leaving him out for all stars and other awards.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Statistically I think we're better than our record shows. Lots of young guys, so, as expected, we're not great in close games...but getting better.

I'd say we finish the year better than we started, but likely still in that bottom couple of play-in seeds in the West.




Oh, and Murray...lock him up for as long as possible. I think he's proving to be a max deal guy. Probably the only one on our roster, tbh. Primo is an INC., but no one else is at the level Murray is at.

[Thomas82]

:lol Knowing the Hyde and Jekyll Spurs, they get buried tomorrow :bang


Probably some tired legs late in the game but the Knicks aren’t very good so could win that one.

Neither outcome would be surprising.

[Ice009]

Darn, I want a higher draft pick, but I hate heart-breaking losses like this, especially when the team is trying hard to win like they have been doing most of the season (minus a game here and there where they didn't show up). You know, I'd just like to see them rewarded a little bit when they have a game like this :(.

[offset formation]

Darn, I want a higher draft pick, but I hate heart-breaking losses like this, especially when the team is trying hard to win like they have been doing most of the season (minus a game here and there where they didn't show up). You know, I'd just like to see them rewarded a little bit when they have a game like this :(.

Why? So they can have a worse draft pick? Embrace the tank. This team will be better off for the losing now. Winning for the point of having the guys feel better is utterly meaningless in the long arc of improving this team.

[Seventyniner]

Darn, I want a higher draft pick, but I hate heart-breaking losses like this, especially when the team is trying hard to win like they have been doing most of the season (minus a game here and there where they didn't show up). You know, I'd just like to see them rewarded a little bit when they have a game like this :(.

They already have a couple of nice wins @GS and @UTA. @MIL is looking better but the Bucks weren't playing well early in the season.

I agree with what you said though. They fought like hell to get back in that game and it was disappointing to come up just short.