Week 18 thread - First one ever

[Millennial_Messiah]

First week 18 thread ever - and it's a pretty lame one. Not really a lot to watch tomorrow. Not a whole lot on the line other than Raiders-Chargers battle of who gets to go to Arrowhead in the first round and get blown out

[benefactor]

That Chiefs D is still trash. Championship game is their ceiling

[Mark Celibate]

Garbage Time Joe Montana feasting in a meaningless game against Eagles backups

[MultiTroll]

site with up to the minute game meanings for each team tommorow?

CBS Sports used to be nails on this.

[JasonGarrett]

site with up to the minute game meanings for each team tommorow?

CBS Sports used to be nails on this.

im not gonna get into that....we're just gonna keep moving forward....gonna keep moving forward....gonna stack one foot in front of the other so that we keep progressing in the forward direction...but at the same time we're going to consider not moving forward at times so that we have time to reflect in the times that not moving forward presents us when we're not moving forward....it's always a balance between not moving forward and moving forward when it comes to winning football games in the National Football League...and that's important....

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Trevor Lawrence with the best play of his career and Marvin Jones Jr. with an awesome catch.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Trevor Lawrence with the best play of his career and Marvin Jones Jr. with an awesome catch.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/1480271328942854145

[Millennial_Messiah]

Carson Wentz is the biggest choker in NFL history

also lol Titans if they choke this 21-0 lead away

[Arcadian]

No tie tonight and we're in! :lol

[Arcadian]

I had a feeling Trevor Lawrence would have a breakout game and cockblock the Colts, tbh

[Robz4000]

No tie tonight and we're in! :lol


Tie comin'

[Robz4000]

:worthy: Deebo :worthy:

[Millennial_Messiah]

Robz4000 Look at Crapoppolo taking points off the board with that lousy late game INT when they were deep in field goal range and tied.

[Millennial_Messiah]

that said... if the 49ers are able to get rid of Crapoppolo and land Aaron Rodgers this spring, with that o-line, run game, defense and coach, I'd have to consider them SB favorites next year. Robz4000

[Bynumite]

Brady is MVP

The immunized guy is not

[Arcadian]

Tie comin'

In that case, at least Ben gets to go out with a win :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

wow, big drive by 49ers. Garoppolo actually pulled a Brady. Wow.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Brady is MVP

The immunized guy is not

:toast

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don't get why both coaches (Shanahan + McVay) don't just get together and agree on a tie score? Since it would benefit both teams. Would love to see that and for it to screw the Saints and their bitchy fans one more time :lol

[Mark Celibate]

so the Cowcucks are now looking at playing the 9ers?

[Millennial_Messiah]

so the Cowcucks are now looking at playing the 9ers?

49ers-Rams game isn't over. 49ers up 27-24 with 2:48 left in OT. 49ers need to hold completely... Tie game would keep the Rams above Dallas.

[Mark Celibate]

tbh I feel better playing a team life SF than Arizona or LA in the first round. Since Dak turns into the Black Jared Goff against any decent team over .500 we'll have to have our defense get a sh!t ton of turnovers from the other team and there's a better chance of that happening against Jimmy G than Kyler or Stafford. Also means we would (in theory) avoid Green Bay until the NFC Championship game giving a team like Arizona or LA a chance for an upset there

[Robz4000]

:danceclub

[Robz4000]

:lol and the Niners get Dallas

[Mark Celibate]

what I just typed is all just hypothetical....Dallas is going one and done regardless. Karma for cutting Red Jesus JasonGarrett the only Cowboys coach to go undefeated in the Wild Card round tbh imho

congrats Robz4000‹on your first round bye :toast

[Robz4000]

tbh I feel better playing a team life SF than Arizona or LA in the first round. Since Dak turns into the Black Jared Goff against any decent team over .500 we'll have to have our defense get a sh!t ton of turnovers from the other team and there's a better chance of that happening against Jimmy G than Kyler or Stafford. Also means we would (in theory) avoid Green Bay until the NFC Championship game giving a team like Arizona or LA a chance for an upset there

Niners are the worst match up for Dallas tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Rams and Arizona lose, Cowboys officially move to 3 seed. We play 49ers at home. Bucs play Eagles at home. Rams play Arizona at home.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Feel for the Saints…good lord Shanahan owns McVay

[Millennial_Messiah]

Feel for the Saints…good lord Shanahan owns McVay

I don't. Their fans are a whole bunch of whiny, bitchy, it's-all-someone-elses-fault-every-year turds.

Besides, nobody who is a genuine fan of football wants to see Trevor Siemian, Taysom Hill or Ian Book in the playoffs. If they had Winston then yeah he's always fun, but they don't.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Who do we play if Raiders win, them or NE? Not sure what the tiebreaker would be.

[MultiTroll]

Rams = chokers.

Then why try to force it deep on 1st and 10 to Odell Meism after getting a 1st and 10?
INT and ballgame.

[Millennial_Messiah]

2010: :cry :cry A 7-9 TEAM SHOULD NEVER GET TO HOST A PLAYOFF GAME AGAINST THE CHAMPIONS WITH BETTER REGULAR SEASON RECORD :cry :cry

2011: :cry Vernon Davis pushed off :cry

2012: :cry :cry THE NFL COMMITTED AN ALL TIME WITCH HUNT AGAINST US :cry :cry

2013: :cry Seattle's legion of boom held and grabbed jerseys on every play :cry

2014: :cry the refs screwed us over at the end of the game in the first 2 weeks and it submarined our season :cry

2015: :cry they let Scam get away with everything but didn't give us a chance :cry

2016: :cry how could we be the top offense in the NFL and still miss the playoffs? They didn't let our defense play :cry

2017: :cry But, but Diggs was out of bounds!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!11!!1! Are the refs fking BLIND?!?!?? :cry

2018: :cry :cry ALL TIME MA$$IVE NFL RIG JOB WTF NO PASS INTERFERENCE WTF NO FLAG OH MY FKING GOD WTF GOODELL :cry :cry

2019: :cry It's NOT FAIR that the team that wins the coin toss can win the game on our home field without us having a chance to match on offense! :cry

2020: :cry But those turnovers were BULLSHIT our guy was down the refs are blind as a bat and they missed flags all game and favored Brady :cry

2021: :cry The refs didn't call enough holding flags and let the 49ers come back and get an unlikely miracle win with a terrible quarterback



:lmao
-Aints
-Aints Fans
-Katrina
-Ida
-"Krewe"
-legal to drink and drive
-a mile under sea level
-Brees retiring with only 1 ring
-New Orleans
-crime capital of the world
-no NBA star likes your filthy city long enough to stay or care
-going to sink into the Gulf of Mexico in the next 25 years

[Millennial_Messiah]

Who do we play if Raiders win, them or NE? Not sure what the tiebreaker would be.

If Raiders win, you play at home vs Patriots and Belichick. If Chargers win or game ends in a tie, you play Chargers at home.

[Millennial_Messiah]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

[DeadlyDynasty]

Herbert-Allen would be a fun WC Weekend matchup

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/DL1Z8fR/qw3uuftxzzejevho3qmx.jpg

Oh baby

[DeadlyDynasty]

https://i.ibb.co/DL1Z8fR/qw3uuftxzzejevho3qmx.jpg

Oh baby
If only Madden and Summerall were around to call it

[FrostKing]

Packers hosting NFC West

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/7SXbyQ1/7464.jpg

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/4p2S3p1/RDT-20220109-1843315567833888886929644.jpg

[Millennial_Messiah]

Packers hosting NFC West

Or the Eagles.

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://i.ibb.co/4p2S3p1/RDT-20220109-1843315567833888886929644.jpg
I am a Dago, garlic in my nose, baking some garlic bread for you

All an Italian has ever done, is lose at a world war 1, and 2

[lefty20]

Wow!:wow

[DAF86]

Steelers sweating bullets. :lol

[Arcadian]

Really?

[Millennial_Messiah]

What a crazy amazing ending to regulation!! I hope the score stands, would be hilarious to cuck Pissburgh in that manner. :lmao

[DAF86]

It might be the soccer infected person in me talking, but if I'm the captain of any team, I'm arranging that tie at midfield before OT starts, tbh. :lol

[MultiTroll]

Hebert

[DAF86]

The Raiders needlessly going for 2. :lol

[Arcadian]

"How you do it nobody cares" Wtf does that even mean? Is he suggesting both teams just take a knee 20 times?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Don't even throw... Just run the ball with Jacobs FFS.

[DAF86]

There's the first FG. They really are going to tie. :lol

[MultiTroll]

NFL head coaches wont do it but should sub for super tired defenders.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It might be the soccer infected person in me talking, but if I'm the captain of any team, I'm arranging that tie at midfield before OT starts, tbh. :lol

That FG makes it even more likely... Chargers have 4 downs every series to get a FG. Just run the stinking ball.

[Arcadian]

If you guys want to be entertained, look at r/steelers right now

[Millennial_Messiah]

Seriously though... it was 2nd and 6.... WHY THE FUCK did the Chargers go away from the run game? :bang

[Millennial_Messiah]

ugh... Zay Jones may have saved the Steelers season there.

[DAF86]

Just one more run and both teams go home happy.

[Mark Celibate]

Not watching the game, but if you are the Raiders and the chargers run out of timeouts do you realistically just kneel the ball and get the tie knowing the circumstances? why risk throwing an interception and being eliminated from the playoffs?

[TheCultOfPersonality]

The Raiders must really hate the Chargers.

[DAF86]

Chargers' coach not calling TO at the end, good or bad call? If the defense would have stopped what so clearly was going to be a run, it would have been a smart choice, imho.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chargers are stupid for not stuffing the run on that 3rd & 4

[Arcadian]

Haha fuck Chris Collinsworth, he wanted a tie sooo bad

[DAF86]

The Raiders must really hate the Chargers.

Instead of getting KC, they get the Bengals. It wasn't the same for them.

[Robz4000]

Chargers' coach not calling TO at the end, good or bad call? If the defense would have stopped what so clearly was going to be a run, it would have been a smart choice, imho.


Terrible call tbh. I think the Raiders were content to tie, but that made them decide to go for the kill.

[Arcadian]

That was the most interesting way to barely make the playoffs :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chargers' coach not calling TO at the end, good or bad call? If the defense would have stopped what so clearly was going to be a run, it would have been a smart choice, imho.

exactly... I don't know why you don't put nine in the box and make the Raiders choose from kicking a near 60 yarder or just chewing the clock out.

Chargers lose in epic Chargers fashion, I guess. Good season, Clipper Nation :toast

[spurraider21]

:lmao ClipperNation

[Millennial_Messiah]

Instead of getting KC, they get the Bengals. It wasn't the same for them.

yeah, Pittsburgh just lost in KC by thirty. That one's not going to be a game. They had to go to the end of OT to win by a last second FG against an injury and covid depleted Ravens team with no quarterback. PIT isn't good. It will give Mahomes a chance to warm up for the real postseason.

[DAF86]

Terrible call tbh. I think the Raiders were content to tie, but that made them decide to go for the kill.

The Raiders didn't go for the kill, they played it safe by running the ball once they figured out the Chargers were going to let the clock run.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It's very rare that you see any week, much less the final week of the regular season, where there's almost 3 very meaningful games that ALMOST end in a tie, but are won at the very end on practically last second kicks.

Will be remembered as one of the better regular season finale days in recent NFL history.

[Neo.]

Terrible call tbh. I think the Raiders were content to tie, but that made them decide to go for the kill.

this

[Millennial_Messiah]

The Raiders didn't go for the kill, they played it safe by running the ball once they figured out the Chargers were going to let the clock run.
yeah, and for some reason the Chargers couldn't stop Jacobs when everyone and their dog knew they were running on that 3rd & 4. I mean you run blitz and stuff him, easy call, sell out. If the Raiders decide to play action and beat you deep with a throw, you have the right to complain. You don't have the right to complain if you give up 10 f--king yards on the ground on 3rd and 4 in that position. :lol Chargers

[DAF86]

this

The raiders were taking all their sweet time at the huddles and running the ball between the tackles with both hands on the ball, after realizing the Chargers weren't going to stop the clock. What "kill" are you folks talking about? It doesn't make sense. If Jacob would have been stopped at the line of scrimmage on that last run, the Raiders probably don't even attempt the FG. :lol

[Arcadian]

It's very rare that you see any week, much less the final week of the regular season, where there's almost 3 very meaningful games that ALMOST end in a tie, but are won at the very end on practically last second kicks.

Will be remembered as one of the better regular season finale days in recent NFL history.

So much for "a lame one, not a whole lot to watch" :)

[Robz4000]

The raiders were taking all their sweet time at the huddles and running the ball between the tackles with both hands on the ball, after realizing the Chargers weren't going to stop the clock. What "kill" are you folks talking about? It doesn't make sense. If Jacob would have been stopped at the line of scrimmage on that last run, the Raiders probably don't even attempt the FG. :lol

The Raiders were clearly gonna let the clock run on that 3rd down. If the Chargers just let them they run a less-organized run play that ends in fourth down and the clock running out.

[lefty]

:danceclublets goooo

[DAF86]

The Raiders were clearly gonna let the clock run on that 3rd down. If the Chargers just let them they run a less-organized run play that ends in fourth down and the clock running out.

I think you missunderstood my point. I was talking about LAC's coach decision of not using TO's to stop the clock and save time in case they had another go at an offensive drive, not about that TO he called on 3rd down because he probably saw something he didn't like.

Although, now that I think about it, it really didn't make any sense for them to stop the clock. A win and a tie was pretty much the same for them.

[spurraider21]

its funny i guess, but i dont understand the whole "staley ruined the game with a timeout" theory

the raiders ran a play with with 1:20 on the clock. play took a few seconds, say, down to 1:15. they then let the clock run down and staley took a timeout with 38 seconds left. so he basically let 37-38 seconds run off the clock then called a timeout. and before he called a timeout, the raiders were not in a kneel down formation, they were clearly going to run a play anyway.

he called a timeout (he said he wanted to substitute a better run defending group in). the raiders then proceeded to run the ball anyway and got a good gain, then kicked the FG.

i'd understand the criticism more if Staley called the timeout right away with like 1:15 on the clock, because in theory that would scare the raiders into thinking "if we just kill the clock and they take another timeout, we will punt the ball to them and give a chance to win" or something like that. but staley took the timeout after the clock was already bled, and the raiders were running an offensive play regardless

i guess the criticism could be that the timeout gave the raiders the opportunity to make a more advantageous play-call... but thats very different from "lol he made the raiders when they were trying to tie."

[Will Hunting]

Would the Steelers have missed the playoffs if the game ended in a tie? If so then fuck, that would have by far been the most hilarious outcome.

[SpursforSix]

Would the Steelers have missed the playoffs if the game ended in a tie? If so then fuck, that would have by far been the most hilarious outcome.

Yeah...that's correct. I would have liked to see that chaos.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah...that's correct. I would have liked to see that chaos.
Roethlisberger in his last season getting locked out of the playoffs because of a tie would be the end to his career that that rapist deserves.

[spurraider21]

Would the Steelers have missed the playoffs if the game ended in a tie? If so then fuck, that would have by far been the most hilarious outcome.
yeah. steelers would have missed it and both raiders/chargers would have gotten in lol. there was a lot of game theory in overtime re: letting the clock bleed out

here's hoping Ben can turn back the clock one last time and take mahomes out on his way out of the league :lol

[Will Hunting]

yeah. steelers would have missed it and both raiders/chargers would have gotten in lol. there was a lot of game theory in overtime re: letting the clock bleed out
Would have been some epic trolling if they played for the tie.

Would be very surprised if New England beats the Raiders btw.

[spurraider21]

Would have been some epic trolling if they played for the tie.

Would be very surprised if New England beats the Raiders btw.
i'd be very surprised if new england beats the raiders because it would require that they meet in the AFC championship game :lol

though as raiders are the 5 seed, we could theoretically host the championship game if one of the patriots/steelers gets there as well

raiders @ bengals
patriots @ bills
steelers @ chiefs

if the raiders upset the bengals, most likely scenario (chiefs beat steelers, bill beat pats) is we get to play the titans round 2 and duck mahomes/allen for at least one more round

[Will Hunting]

i'd be very surprised if new england beats the raiders because it would require that they meet in the AFC championship game :lol

though as raiders are the 5 seed, we could theoretically host the championship game if one of the patriots/steelers gets there as well

raiders @ bengals
patriots @ bills
steelers @ chiefs

if the raiders upset the bengals, most likely scenario (chiefs beat steelers, bill beat pats) is we get to play the titans round 2 and duck mahomes/allen for at least one more round
Shit you're right, I misread the seeding.

Haven't paid as much attention this season as I normally do.

[spurraider21]

bears firing nagy/pace made a lot of sense

vikings firing zimmer made sense (still think spielman is a solid gm, dont like that he was let go)

dolphins firing Flores is moronic

Joe Judge still having a job is inexplicable, but at least Gettleman is retiring. what a trainwreck he's been with the Giants

[Will Hunting]

Doubtful that it happens but would be amazing if Flores would take his old job with New England back. Belichick is so much more effective as a head coach when he's not also calling the plays on defense.

[spurraider21]

Flores has to be the #1 or at worst #2 most coveted HC out there... i doubt he settles for a coordinating job

right now there are vacancies with the Broncos, Raiders, Jaguars, Dolphins, Vikings, Bears (lmao at Giants keeping Judge)

Flores, Harbaugh are almost certainly going to get jobs among those. i think Doug Pederson would also be a great hire. then you have the offensive coordinator types like Kellen Moore, Byron Leftwich, Brian Daboll, Eric Bienemy who i'm sure we'll hear about quite a bit.

[Will Hunting]

Flores has to be the #1 or at worst #2 most coveted HC out there... i doubt he settles for a coordinating job

right now there are vacancies with the Broncos, Raiders, Jaguars, Dolphins, Vikings, Bears (lmao at Giants keeping Judge)

Flores, Harbaugh are almost certainly going to get jobs among those. i think Doug Pederson would also be a great hire. then you have the offensive coordinator types like Kellen Moore, Byron Leftwich, Brian Daboll, Eric Bienemy who i'm sure we'll hear about quite a bit.
Yeah I said it was unlikely.

Even if Flores can't get a head coaching gig, he'll either just take a year off or he'll be very picky about taking a defensive coordinator job on a team with an elite defense.

[SpursforSix]

bears firing nagy/pace made a lot of sense

vikings firing zimmer made sense (still think spielman is a solid gm, dont like that he was let go)

dolphins firing Flores is moronic

Joe Judge still having a job is inexplicable, but at least Gettleman is retiring. what a trainwreck he's been with the Giants

Bears firing Nagy would have made sense two years ago.

[SpursforSix]

Would have been some epic trolling if they played for the tie.

Would be very surprised if New England beats the Raiders btw.

I mean...it would have made sense. Like a lot of sense. Running the clock out would have guaranteed a playoff berth. Kicking a FG leaves some possibility of losing the game. It was a weird timeout by the Chargers. Mainly because they let a ton of time run off before they called it.

[spurraider21]

I mean...it would have made sense. Like a lot of sense. Running the clock out would have guaranteed a playoff berth. Kicking a FG leaves some possibility of losing the game. It was a weird timeout by the Chargers. Mainly because they let a ton of time run off before they called it.
id rather have the steelers in the playoffs than the chargers

also, just fuck the chargers

[MultiTroll]

Rich Bisaccia: We were talking about taking a tie - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com) (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/10/rich-bisaccia-we-were-talking-about-taking-a-tie/)

“It was [a] conversation,” coach Rich Bisaccia told reporters after the 35-32 overtime win. “We were talking about it. . . . We ran the ball there, and they didn’t call a timeout. So I think they were probably thinking the same thing. And then we had the big run. When we got the big run, it got us in advantageous field goal position. . . . We were certainly talking about it on the sideline. We wanted to see if they were gonna take a timeout or not on that run. They didn’t, so we thought they were thinking the same thing. And then we popped the run in there and gave us a chance to kick the field goal to win it. So, we were certainly talking about it.”

[Arcadian]

Nobody wants a loss or tie on their record. Especially coaches. They all care about their career record, whether they admit it or not. So it made perfect sense to kick the FG.

Having said that, the comedy of the situation is not lost on me, and just the fact that it came that close to a tie is hilarious.

[spurraider21]

Rich Bisaccia: We were talking about taking a tie - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com) (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/10/rich-bisaccia-we-were-talking-about-taking-a-tie/)

“It was [a] conversation,” coach Rich Bisaccia told reporters after the 35-32 overtime win. “We were talking about it. . . . We ran the ball there, and they didn’t call a timeout. So I think they were probably thinking the same thing. And then we had the big run. When we got the big run, it got us in advantageous field goal position. . . . We were certainly talking about it on the sideline. We wanted to see if they were gonna take a timeout or not on that run. They didn’t, so we thought they were thinking the same thing. And then we popped the run in there and gave us a chance to kick the field goal to win it. So, we were certainly talking about it.”
obviously they thought about it. if they didnt get into comfortable FG range they would have played it safe, killed clock, punted, etc.

when jacobs ran for 10 yards on 3rd and 4, they no longer had to worry about it. staley's timeout didnt do anything

[MultiTroll]

staley's timeout didnt do anything
to the contrary gave Raiders more time to select a play just as much as it gave rookie Charger coach time to come up with the shitty defense.
As noted in above posts, previous Raider run was being real conservative, holding on to ball with both hands etc.

To me the timeout favored Raiders far more then Chargers.

[spurraider21]

to the contrary gave Raiders more time to select a play just as much as it gave rookie Charger coach time to come up with the shitty defense.
As noted in above posts, previous Raider run was being real conservative, holding on to ball with both hands etc.

To me the timeout favored Raiders far more then Chargers.
the bolded is obviously hindsight

the chargers defensive personnel on the field was geared toward the pass (raiders were in a 2 minute drill). when it was clear the raiders were just trying to run the ball for a first down (either to kill clock or get into FG range), staley wanted to get run stopping personnel out, so he took a timeout to sub guys in. its noteworthy for this reason that he only called the timeout when the play clock was down to 2-3 seconds (he was ok with letting the clock bleed toward a tie). if jacobs didnt rumble for 10 yards, i dont know if the raiders would have attempted a 57 yard field goal, or if they then would have been content with the tie. maybe they would have anyway, maybe not.

maybe they stuff jacobs for a 4 yard loss. maybe the better run stopping personnel draw a hold. you never know.

obviously it didnt matter because after they subbed in their run personnel they gave up a 10 yard run on 3rd and 4 :lol

[Mark Celibate]

Flores has to be the #1 or at worst #2 most coveted HC out there... i doubt he settles for a coordinating job

right now there are vacancies with the Broncos, Raiders, Jaguars, Dolphins, Vikings, Bears (lmao at Giants keeping Judge)

Flores, Harbaugh are almost certainly going to get jobs among those. i think Doug Pederson would also be a great hire. then you have the offensive coordinator types like Kellen Moore, Byron Leftwich, Brian Daboll, Eric Bienemy who i'm sure we'll hear about quite a bit.

I’d be surprised if Kellen Moore is in high demand at this point tbh. Early in the season yes but the second half he’s basically been Jason Garrett Jr with the playcalling

[FrostKing]

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[MultiTroll]

the bolded is obviously hindsight
obviously it didnt matter because after they subbed in their run personnel they gave up a 10 yard run on 3rd and 4 :lol
Of course it's hindsight as is yours.
However the vibe of the Raiders as the clock ticked down seemed to be well lets try a run on 3rd down and of course we want to gain a 1st down, but lets keep it conservative and just hold on to the ball. During the timeout it appears someone in Raider offense came up with a plan that was not even the same playcall before the timeout.
100% speculation by me, but that is the vibe Im getting from head coach and on the field.
Would love to hear if and how much the Raiders changed the play call. Doubt we will ever have that info.

Also the Chargers "run personell" that he swapped out.....were those tired as hell defenders who had been in the entire game and super tiring 3rd and 4th quarters?

[spurraider21]

Of course it's hindsight as is yours.
However the vibe of the Raiders as the clock ticked down seemed to be well lets try a run on 3rd down and of course we want to gain a 1st down, but lets keep it conservative and just hold on to the ball. During the timeout it appears someone in Raider offense came up with a plan that was not even the same playcall before the timeout.
100% speculation by me, but that is the vibe Im getting from head coach and on the field.
Would love to hear if and how much the Raiders changed the play call. Doubt we will ever have that info.

Also the Chargers "run personell" that he swapped out.....were those tired as hell defenders who had been in the entire game and super tiring 3rd and 4th quarters?
they still ran the ball on 3rd and 4 which is a conservative call.

[spurraider21]

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