What to watch and potential deals for all 30 teams

[gambit1990]

who has espn+?

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33034686/2022-nba-trade-deadline-watch-potential-deals-all-30-teams

[KingKev]

who has espn+?

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33034686/2022-nba-trade-deadline-watch-potential-deals-all-30-teams

Spurs “like what they have”

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Get me Sabonis or Valanciunas and I'll be a happy camper.

[KingKev]

Outside of DJ and Jak no one has any trade value on this team. Spurs are unlikely to trade Vassell, KJ or Primo given they are on rookie deals. Thad buyout imminent. Walker a FA with little to no value. McDermott was an overpay. I’d like to see us offload D White to help balance the roster and open up time for Primo but I doubt there is much of a market he probably wouldn’t even get you a first.

[RC_Drunkford]

if the Spurs are smart they are shopping Young, McDermott and Forbes

[KingKev]

if the Spurs are smart they are shopping Young, McDermott and Forbes

Can’t see anyone interested in McLovin but I agree. Would add Walker and White to that list.

[Leetonidas]

if the Spurs are smart they are shopping Young, McDermott and Forbes

I guarantee the Lakers would love to have all of them but they don't have jack shit to trade anymore. Plus fuck them :lol

[Ocotillo]

The Knicks have picked up Cam Reddish.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1481663920888635394

[jjspur]

I'm so disappointed that the spurs haven't traded T. Young for at least a 2nd rounder yet. What a waste of money and talent. No wonder he is ticked off. My guess they just let him walk for a minimal return on his 14 million dollar contract if anything. Its about 170K every game he doesn't play. Again, what a waste.

[spurspl]

The Knicks have picked up Cam Reddish.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1481663920888635394

+ Kevin Knox

[R. DeMurre]

Reuniting Barrett and Reddish-- great move by the Knicks. If Zion ever gets healthy, you have to think he'll look at the Knicks as a destination too.

[poopbox]

Outside of DJ and Jak no one has any trade value on this team. Spurs are unlikely to trade Vassell, KJ or Primo given they are on rookie deals. Thad buyout imminent. Walker a FA with little to no value. McDermott was an overpay. I’d like to see us offload D White to help balance the roster and open up time for Primo but I doubt there is much of a market he probably wouldn’t even get you a first.

Jak has no trade value. Probably couldn't even get a second round pick for him

[Dex]

Jak has no trade value. Probably couldn't even get a second round pick for him

Thanks for confirming that you don't know what you are talking about.

[Dverde]

I’ll wait for the deadline to pass to shit on the front office. These weird wait and see thing with Thad may get them a 1st rounder from a desperate team.

[CGD]

The Knicks have picked up Cam Reddish.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1481663920888635394

Good deal on both sides. Like the fit in NYC, and ATL pulled a FRP when everyone knew they werent paying Cam.

[CGD]

I’ll wait for the deadline to pass to shit on the front office. These weird wait and see thing with Thad may get them a 1st rounder from a desperate team.

Agree. I think the PHX deal is there to be had, but spurs sniffing for better offers.

[exstatic]

Agree. I think the PHX deal is there to be had, but spurs sniffing for better offers.

Bad trade. If you want Smith, fine, but wait for this summer. It’s like a game of musical chairs. Because Phoenix declined his offer, they, or anyone who trades for him, are limited to paying him only $4.7M, even if they have caproom. Whoever is left holding that contract is screwed. It’s radioactive. He not only has no trade value, it’s probably negative.

Phoenix is in a tough spot, which is why they non tendered Smith. Their payroll is about to explode, with Ayton getting paid this summer. We may even be able to rent the rest of our capspace (Saric) to them for draft asset(s). They’ll need the relief.

[PhantomDashCam]

Outside of DJ and Jak no one has any trade value on this team. Spurs are unlikely to trade Vassell, KJ or Primo given they are on rookie deals. Thad buyout imminent. Walker a FA with little to no value. McDermott was an overpay. I’d like to see us offload D White to help balance the roster and open up time for Primo but I doubt there is much of a market he probably wouldn’t even get you a first.

You’re kidding right?

https://twitter.com/AndrewDBailey/status/1480288325768384512?s=20

[Mr. Body]

Reuniting Barrett and Reddish-- great move by the Knicks. If Zion ever gets healthy, you have to think he'll look at the Knicks as a destination too.

Maybe those three can win nothing in New York the way they won nothing at Duke.

[R. DeMurre]

Maybe those three can win nothing in New York the way they won nothing at Duke.


They were 32-6. That's a pretty good amount of winning for three freshmen. Has any recent Spur had a better freshman season in the NCAA?

[slick'81]

No way spurs get a 1st for thad but we will hope:rollin

[poopbox]

Thanks for confirming that you don't know what you are talking about.

What exactly would a team trade for Jakob Poeltl :lmao

Name an actual nba player we could get for a big with no offensive game and can't shoot freethrows

B-b-but he plays defense...

Every scrub on houston went right at him last night :lmao

[BackHome]

You could easily get a first for him not a top 10 pick but easily a first and I am not a Poodle fan.

As far as this year realistic looking at trading Young and Forbes for anything positive - Next year would definitely start putting out feelers on what you could possibly get for White trade.

[FlAVaK]

Reuniting Barrett and Reddish-- great move by the Knicks. If Zion ever gets healthy, you have to think he'll look at the Knicks as a destination too.

So what do the Spurs get for Tre Jones?

[tbdog]

You’re kidding right?

https://twitter.com/AndrewDBailey/status/1480288325768384512?s=20

What a huge drop off from our top 3.

[KingKev]

You’re kidding right?

https://twitter.com/AndrewDBailey/status/1480288325768384512?s=20

I think White's contract is fair so I probably under estimated his trade value; he does a little bit of everything on both sides of the ball. The 3pt shooting has been bad (and on decent volume) and he has had many opportunities to take over with players out, on an already low talented team etc and still looks timid. I don’t see him as a very good compliment to DJ in the back court. A better role might be 30 mins off the bench as a combo guard but I’d rather see Vassell get bigger minutes as the primary backup 2.

I’m absolutely not kidding about moving him for a bigger wing if something made sense. If White gets you in the conversation of Turner or Hield I’d think about.

[CGD]

Bad trade. If you want Smith, fine, but wait for this summer. It’s like a game of musical chairs. Because Phoenix declined his offer, they, or anyone who trades for him, are limited to paying him only $4.7M, even if they have caproom. Whoever is left holding that contract is screwed. It’s radioactive. He not only has no trade value, it’s probably negative.

Phoenix is in a tough spot, which is why they non tendered Smith. Their payroll is about to explode, with Ayton getting paid this summer. We may even be able to rent the rest of our capspace (Saric) to them for draft asset(s). They’ll need the relief.

I mean, your last sentence answers the whole basis for the Thad trade in my view. Since his option was declined, I consider Jalen filler so really the deal to be had is a first rounder to take on an extra year of Saric.

The spurs are right to wonder if a likely late 1st is worth that, or if there are better deals out there.

[KingKev]

I mean, your last sentence answers the whole basis for the Thad trade in my view. Since his option was declined, I consider Jalen filler so really the deal to be had is a first rounder to take on an extra year of Saric.

The spurs are right to wonder if a likely late 1st is worth that, or if there are better deals out there.

FRPs, even protected and likely late FRPs don’t trade for short term reasons anymore. Thad doesn’t move the needle for them this year and Saric will be back next year. The Suns are going to need that future FRP to close out CP3’s last years especially when Ayton’s deal kicks in. It is cheap labour.

if that deal is still on the table you absolutely pull the trigger if you are the Spurs. We should be considering every opportunity to rent cap space given this up coming free agency environment. PATFO has been fairly useless the last 5yrs but this move would be a no brainer so I really din’t think it is on the table.

[CGD]

FRPs, even protected and likely late FRPs don’t trade for short term reasons anymore. Thad doesn’t move the needle for them this year and Saric will be back next year. The Suns are going to need that future FRP to close out CP3’s last years especially when Ayton’s deal kicks in. It is cheap labour.

if that deal is still on the table you absolutely pull the trigger if you are the Spurs. We should be considering every opportunity to rent cap space given this up coming free agency environment. PATFO has been fairly useless the last 5yrs but this move would be a no brainer so I really din’t think it is on the table.

If cheap labor in the immediate is the concern, spurs could also add Drew or KBD into the deal as far as I’m concerned. PHX will have the option to keep each next year at really low figures

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If cheap labor in the immediate is the concern, spurs could also add Drew or KBD into the deal as far as I’m concerned. PHX will have the option to keep each next year at really low figures

Yeah I don't think it's about the cheap labor, it's about Phoenix's tax bill. They have $126 mil already committed to next season's payroll before they max out Ayton. They'll be deep in the luxury tax and Sarver's not likely to give them a blank check. Saric's contract + assets into cap space/TE will absolutely be on the table both at the trade deadline and in the summer. It'll be interesting to see whether they'll have to give a 1st or they'd be able to find a cheaper deal from some team, say for 2 or 3 seconds.

[KingKev]

Yeah I don't think it's about the cheap labor, it's about Phoenix's tax bill. They have $126 mil already committed to next season's payroll before they max out Ayton. They'll be deep in the luxury tax and Sarver's not likely to give them a blank check. Saric's contract + assets into cap space/TE will absolutely be on the table both at the trade deadline and in the summer. It'll be interesting to see whether they'll have to give a 1st or they'd be able to find a cheaper deal from some team, say for 2 or 3 seconds.

You can’t get a girl half pregnant. Between CP3, Booker, Ayton Max and Bridges they are going to have ~120mm locked up for through 2025. Cheap labour was the wrong term… cheap talent is more fitting. Clearing Saric, who will be back next year and considered a win now player at the expense of a first… I just don’t see it. Don’t know how deep the ownership’s pockets are but when you are that close to a title with a clear time horizon you don’t want to out think it.

[Seventyniner]

Bad trade. If you want Smith, fine, but wait for this summer. It’s like a game of musical chairs. Because Phoenix declined his offer, they, or anyone who trades for him, are limited to paying him only $4.7M, even if they have caproom. Whoever is left holding that contract is screwed. It’s radioactive. He not only has no trade value, it’s probably negative.

Phoenix is in a tough spot, which is why they non tendered Smith. Their payroll is about to explode, with Ayton getting paid this summer. We may even be able to rent the rest of our capspace (Saric) to them for draft asset(s). They’ll need the relief.

I don't think that part is right. A team that trades for Jalen Smith would have Early Bird rights on him, and that allows a team to exceed the cap to sign him up to the greater of 175% of his previous salary ($8.2M) or 105% of the average salary ($10M) next year. I doubt he would command more than $10M given how Phoenix gave up on him so quickly, so the new team could reasonably expect to be able to re-sign him with Early Bird rights.

I do think his standalone trade value is minimal, but I could see a team with cap space being willing to take a flier on him in exchange for a top-59 protected second.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I don't think that part is right. A team that trades for Jalen Smith would have Early Bird rights on him, and that allows a team to exceed the cap to sign him up to the greater of 175% of his previous salary ($8.2M) or 105% of the average salary ($10M) next year. I doubt he would command more than $10M given how Phoenix gave up on him so quickly, so the new team could reasonably expect to be able to re-sign him with Early Bird rights.

I do think his standalone trade value is minimal, but I could see a team with cap space being willing to take a flier on him in exchange for a top-59 protected second.

There are only 58 picks this year.

[buttsR4rebounding]

To me it seems like there are only 3 teams this year that are candidates for a go-all-in trade: Suns, Lakers and Nets. Suns and Lakers because key players are pushing 40 years old and the Nets because of the Harden contract situation. He can opt out after this year. I believe this is the reason we won't see a Simmons trade this year. If the Nets don't win the title (or at least make the Finals) Harden may opt out. Some team will make room for him and the Nets would probably then welcome a sign and trade for Simmons to salvage some value. The Kyrie situation makes the Nets a real wildcard. Their salaries are are very top heavy with Durant, Harden, Irving and Joe Harris accounting for $137 million. Patty Mills is their 5th highest paid player. I could see them look to shore up the point guard spot for home playoff games, but not much more. The Lakers really don't have anything left to trade of significance. The Suns w/ Sarver seem like the team to really roll the dice. Not only is Paul at the end of his effective playing time, but Sarver's tolerance for being in the luxury tax has proven to be very low in the past.

[exstatic]

I mean, your last sentence answers the whole basis for the Thad trade in my view. Since his option was declined, I consider Jalen filler so really the deal to be had is a first rounder to take on an extra year of Saric.

The spurs are right to wonder if a likely late 1st is worth that, or if there are better deals out there.

Have you SEEN how Smith played when Phoenix was forced to play him because of covid? He actually looks like a top 10 pick. If you want Smith, you DO NOT do that trade. Any team holding his contract when the season ends is constrained by the CBA to only be able to pay him $4.7M, what his offer would have been. Caproom is immaterial in that situation.

If you want smith, you let Thad roll off, or trade him elsewhere, and then make him an offer this summer into caproom when we’re one of the few teams with it. Then you get an asset from PHO to take Saric into the rest of your cap room. You essentially do half of the trade, later, so you can get Smith by paying him more than anyone else.

Phoenix fucked up.

[KingKev]

To me it seems like there are only 3 teams this year that are candidates for a go-all-in trade: Suns, Lakers and Nets. Suns and Lakers because key players are pushing 40 years old and the Nets because of the Harden contract situation. He can opt out after this year. I believe this is the reason we won't see a Simmons trade this year. If the Nets don't win the title (or at least make the Finals) Harden may opt out. Some team will make room for him and the Nets would probably then welcome a sign and trade for Simmons to salvage some value. The Kyrie situation makes the Nets a real wildcard. Their salaries are are very top heavy with Durant, Harden, Irving and Joe Harris accounting for $137 million. Patty Mills is their 5th highest paid player. I could see them look to shore up the point guard spot for home playoff games, but not much more. The Lakers really don't have anything left to trade of significance. The Suns w/ Sarver seem like the team to really roll the dice. Not only is Paul at the end of his effective playing time, but Sarver's tolerance for being in the luxury tax has proven to be very low in the past.

- Harden remains a lock to return in BK. Going all-in will be tough considering they have virtually no draft capital they can offer.
- Lakers going all in at most is some combo of THT/Monk/Nunn/far future FRP. Not very appealing. They don’t possess enough assets to offload Russ.
- Suns can probably just as easily upgrade their roster in the buyout market as we get closer to the deadlines.

Where Thad will have value is our ability to leverage his contract to facilitate other deals. Those deals don’t need ti be “all in” deals.

Cross off every possible max player in trade rumours for the Spurs for obvious reasons. Your 2nd/3rd tier possible players in-play, think - Jeremi Grant, Christian Wood, Sabonis, Turner, Hield etc are going to cost an FRP or a young asset and we would be silly to include that. We are also light on young ASSETs. Most of our guys are just young.

Prepare for a very quiet Spurs trade deadline.

[exstatic]

I don't think that part is right. A team that trades for Jalen Smith would have Early Bird rights on him, and that allows a team to exceed the cap to sign him up to the greater of 175% of his previous salary ($8.2M) or 105% of the average salary ($10M) next year. I doubt he would command more than $10M given how Phoenix gave up on him so quickly, so the new team could reasonably expect to be able to re-sign him with Early Bird rights.

I do think his standalone trade value is minimal, but I could see a team with cap space being willing to take a flier on him in exchange for a top-59 protected second.

John Hollinger from The Athletic, quoted in this link. Also mentioned in articles about a possible Boston trade.


https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Jalen-Smith-Phoenix-Suns-Contract-Maryland-Basketball-Star-180291822/


The Suns are limited to re-signing Smith for more than the declined option: $4,670,160. They can’t pay more than that, even if they have the cap room to do so. That, obviously, makes it very easy for a rival team to bid higher. Additionally, the declined option is basically radioactive: Any new team acquiring Smith this year would be affected by the same rule. Thus, the Suns can’t get anything useful for Smith in a trade because the acquiring team would likely lose him after the season. (Unless he played badly, in which case, who cares.)

[KingKev]

John Hollinger from The Athletic, quoted in this link. Also mentioned in articles about a possible Boston trade.


https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Jalen-Smith-Phoenix-Suns-Contract-Maryland-Basketball-Star-180291822/ (https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Jalen-Smith-Phoenix-Suns-Contract-Maryland-Basketball-Star-180291822/)

This is deep level capology of which I do not care to research. With that being said it seems silly to possess the cap space to sign a player you just traded for, have clear space to sign him at a fair market value and lose out to someone else who also has cap space because the terms were “radioactive.” Did he mean retroactive? There is a pretty low bar to be an internet sports journalist these days so just asking the question. Anyone with a twitter account and the ability to generate click bait can claim to be a professional.

[KobesAchilles]

:lol at a team giving up a FRP for Poeltl/ Only on Spurstalk.
East Playoff teams:
CHI nope
MIA nope
BRKLN: Do they even have any picks?
MIL: Nope
Philly: Nope
CLE: Nope
CHA: Jordan is no longer the Gm so unfortunately no
TOR: They ain't trading back for him

West Playoff teams:
GState: nope
Phx: Nope
Memp: Nope
Utah: nope
Dallas: nope
Den: nope
LAL: have no picks
LAC: nope

Where is this miracle team that is willing to trade a FRP for Poeltl

[KingKev]

This is deep level capology of which I do not care to research. With that being said it seems silly to possess the cap space to sign a player you just traded for, have clear space to sign him at a fair market value and lose out to someone else who also has cap space because the terms were “radioactive.” Did he mean retroactive? There is a pretty low bar to be an internet sports journalist these days so just asking the question. Anyone with a twitter account and the ability to generate click bait can claim to be a professional.

I just actually read the article. Hollinger is one of the better ones so i’m also inclined to agree with you Ex. Interesting rule. Phoenix did that to themselves.

[exstatic]

It’s a rule put in place specifically to keep teams from circumventing the rookie scale. Player A blows up in year one like Derrick Rose did. Wink wink deal to not pickup his option, and throw the bag at him after year 2, instead of him having to wait until after year 4 like the rest of his draft class.

[KingKev]

It’s a rule put in place specifically to keep teams from circumventing the rookie scale. Player A blows up in year one like Derrick Rose did. Wink wink deal to not pickup his option, and throw the bag at him after year 2, instead of him having to wait until after year 4 like the rest of his draft class.

Interesting, thanks for this.

[CGD]

Have you SEEN how Smith played when Phoenix was forced to play him because of covid? He actually looks like a top 10 pick. If you want Smith, you DO NOT do that trade. Any team holding his contract when the season ends is constrained by the CBA to only be able to pay him $4.7M, what his offer would have been. Caproom is immaterial in that situation.

If you want smith, you let Thad roll off, or trade him elsewhere, and then make him an offer this summer into caproom when we’re one of the few teams with it. Then you get an asset from PHO to take Saric into the rest of your cap room. You essentially do half of the trade, later, so you can get Smith by paying him more than anyone else.

Phoenix fucked up.

Totally get the mechanics, and this really comes to what people think of Smith. I have not seen him play in months, at which time i thought PHX was wholly justified in declining option much like Spurs did with Lonnie. Seems like you think he is blowing it up now, so, yes, that would be a factor.

[exstatic]

Totally get the mechanics, and this really comes to what people think of Smith. I have not seen him play in months, at which time i thought PHX was wholly justified in declining option much like Spurs did with Lonnie. Seems like you think he is blowing it up now, so, yes, that would be a factor.

“During a six-game span beginning Dec. 27, he averaged 15.9 points and 9.6 rebounds on 53.5 percent shooting overall and 38.5 percent from 3-point range. And he only played more than 30 minutes in one of those games.”

[Ocotillo]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1482061407734665221

Jakob haters rejoice. (I am not one)

[KingKev]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1482061407734665221

Jakob haters rejoice. (I am not one)

TD 21 about to go offfffff

[pad300]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1482061407734665221

Jakob haters rejoice. (I am not one)

I'd do it if they give us a good offer...

[exstatic]

Can’t see this happening during the season. Maybe this summer, depending on the draft and FAs.

However, Jak and LWIV for Anunoby works.

Thad, LW IV, Jones for Anunoby also works, if they’re willing to go smaller.


Basically, they should have just given us Anunoby in the first place, and they wouldn’t be in this predicament.

[CGD]

They’re also linked to Miles Turner, and apparently in talks to send OG there in exchange.

Say what you want about Jak, but his contract has to be one of the best in the league. Not Dort good, but good.

[CGD]

^ just saying, Jak, Drew, KBD for OG works…

[KingKev]

No way they give up OG for Jak.

[gambit1990]

spurs get:
siakam & myles turner

raptors get:
jakob & derrick white

pacers get:
eubanks, lonnie, forbes, and a spurs #2 round pick

something like that. would be a great retool on the fly for the spurs.

[CGD]

No way they give up OG for Jak.

I mean they’re considering Turner for OG. Im not convinced the drop between Turner and Jak is that big honestly…

[exstatic]

^ just saying, Jak, Drew, KBD for OG works…

2 centers and a PF for a SF? Unbalancing out roster in a different way..

[itzsoweezee]

If the spurs don’t move McD but do move Jak, I am going to be pissed. Although, I would not be surprised at all

[CGD]

2 centers and a PF for a SF? Unbalancing out roster in a different way..

Yeah that’s less than ideal. I suppose they could do Bryn instead or even Lonnie

[KingKev]

spurs get:
siakam & myles turner

raptors get:
jakob & derrick white

pacers get:
eubanks, lonnie, forbes, and a spurs #2 round pick

something like that. would be a great retool on the fly for the spurs.

Nothing about this works. Nothing.

[Seventyniner]

John Hollinger from The Athletic, quoted in this link. Also mentioned in articles about a possible Boston trade.


https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Jalen-Smith-Phoenix-Suns-Contract-Maryland-Basketball-Star-180291822/ (https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Jalen-Smith-Phoenix-Suns-Contract-Maryland-Basketball-Star-180291822/)

Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know there was a special situation for this.

The Spurs' cap situation for 2022-2023 looks like $83M plus a $13.3M cap hold for Walker. I'm assuming Young and Forbes will be renounces


It’s a rule put in place specifically to keep teams from circumventing the rookie scale. Player A blows up in year one like Derrick Rose did. Wink wink deal to not pickup his option, and throw the bag at him after year 2, instead of him having to wait until after year 4 like the rest of his draft class.

I understand the reasoning for this rule when it comes to the team that drafted the player, but having that rule follow him if he's traded doesn't make sense to me. Oh well, them's the rules.

[Dverde]

Forbes, Eubanks, Thad are the only ones I see on the trade market. I don’t even think the Spurs would trade White, McBuckets or Poodle. Spurs don’t do flashy mid season trades, they won’t go full tank mode with Pop chasing his record.

[exstatic]

Thanks for the explanation. I didn't know there was a special situation for this.

The Spurs' cap situation for 2022-2023 looks like $83M plus a $13.3M cap hold for Walker. I'm assuming Young and Forbes will be renounces



I understand the reasoning for this rule when it comes to the team that drafted the player, but having that rule follow him if he's traded doesn't make sense to me. Oh well, them's the rules.

It’s designed to constrain both the team and the player. It’s still a scam to non-tender, and then trade him, getting something in return.

[gambit1990]

i found some blurbs for other teams but not the spurs.

[BackHome]

Read something about teams looking at Forbes ie. Denver ? People still think there are a couple of teams interested in Young?

[Mr. Body]

Read something about teams looking at Forbes ie. Denver ? People still think there are a couple of teams interested in Young?

Of course teams are interested in Young.

[talkspurs]

If we could find a way to get Goga that would be a good player to target. Ind might be willing to trade him especially if turner does not get picked up. I believe he is more of a traditional center but he does shoot 3s. He also is still young. Just dont know what we would have to give up to get him and how much Indy still wants him. I think he is their third center but I think they want to move the first 2.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm so disappointed that the spurs haven't traded T. Young for at least a 2nd rounder yet. What a waste of money and talent. No wonder he is ticked off. My guess they just let him walk for a minimal return on his 14 million dollar contract if anything. Its about 170K every game he doesn't play. Again, what a waste.

Why does it make sense for the Spurs to trade away Thad , take on matching contract, for just a second rounder this far before the trade deadline? In what world is this a good idea for the Spurs?

The Spurs aren't going to take money on the book for the rest of the season for a 2nd rounder. They're certainly not going to do it for a 2nd rounder and eat more years of a contract. I'm 100% that the Spurs would rather just do a buyout, save money, and get Thad off the books if no trade comes along. But to eat a contract for a 2nd/ lol, why?

[MannyIsGod]

This is deep level capology of which I do not care to research. With that being said it seems silly to possess the cap space to sign a player you just traded for, have clear space to sign him at a fair market value and lose out to someone else who also has cap space because the terms were “radioactive.” Did he mean retroactive? There is a pretty low bar to be an internet sports journalist these days so just asking the question. Anyone with a twitter account and the ability to generate click bait can claim to be a professional.

Hollinger is a former GM dude. This is a good way to let people know you have no idea what you're talking about.

He meant radioactive because once the team declines the option it doesn't give them many ways to resign the player. Its done in order to prevent teams from declining options to do weird shit.

[MannyIsGod]

People need to stop with the Spurs don't do mid seasons trade narrative. Yeah, they don't do these trades when you have the big 3 and don't need to blow things up to make your team better. The Spurs are in the middle of a rebuild. That no longer applies.

Maybe they trade, maybe they don't, but acting like the Spurs are still doing business like they have for the past 20 years is stupid.

[lefty20]

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[KingKev]

Hollinger is a former GM dude. This is a good way to let people know you have no idea what you're talking about.

He meant radioactive because once the team declines the option it doesn't give them many ways to resign the player. Its done in order to prevent teams from declining options to do weird shit.

I actually corrected myself a few mins later but you obviously didn't read the whole thread.

[KingKev]

People need to stop with the Spurs don't do mid seasons trade narrative. Yeah, they don't do these trades when you have the big 3 and don't need to blow things up to make your team better. The Spurs are in the middle of a rebuild. That no longer applies.

Maybe they trade, maybe they don't, but acting like the Spurs are still doing business like they have for the past 20 years is stupid.

It’s a pretty accurate narrative. We haven’t had the big 3 in 5 years. The LMA/DDR years were ripe for mid season trades.

[KingKev]

Why does it make sense for the Spurs to trade away Thad , take on matching contract, for just a second rounder this far before the trade deadline? In what world is this a good idea for the Spurs?

The Spurs aren't going to take money on the book for the rest of the season for a 2nd rounder. They're certainly not going to do it for a 2nd rounder and eat more years of a contract. I'm 100% that the Spurs would rather just do a buyout, save money, and get Thad off the books if no trade comes along. But to eat a contract for a 2nd/ lol, why?

We just paid Huthison’s ~4mm contract for a 2022 SRP. So two SRP’s and an expiring contract is probably something they’d consider. Additionally, if Thad isn’t looking to take much off the table in a buyout a single SRP and an expiring still makes sense.

[MannyIsGod]

It’s a pretty accurate narrative. We haven’t had the big 3 in 5 years. The LMA/DDR years were ripe for mid season trades.

The LMA/DDR years were not ripe for trades because they were still trying to compete. This year is fundamentally different and if people want to act stupid and say that its the same old same old then by all means.

[MannyIsGod]

We just paid Huthison’s ~4mm contract for a 2022 SRP. So two SRP’s and an expiring contract is probably something they’d consider. Additionally, if Thad isn’t looking to take much off the table in a buyout a single SRP and an expiring still makes sense.

Yeah, they did that in the offseason without having to send anything out in the trade. They made that trade into cap room. They essentially abought a SRP.

The difference is that this time we'd be sending out an asset and once we do it we can't take it back. The difference is also that Washington sucks, and Pheonix is not, and the value of the a SRP from the Suns isn't very high since its likely whomever you draft at that point in the 2nd round have a decent chance of signing as an undrafted player.

The Spurs may very well trade Thad for a 2nd rounder. But there is ZERO reason for them to do so and eat salary before the deadline. And if Thad doesn't wnat to give the Spurs savings on his contract in a buyout, then he can sit on the bench for the rest of the year. With as much as he's bitched this year, that seems extremely unlikely.

[KingKev]

The LMA/DDR years were not ripe for trades because they were still trying to compete. This year is fundamentally different and if people want to act stupid and say that its the same old same old then by all means.

Still trying to compete I would have expected them to be buyers. I’d rather wait for the offseason to make any drastic moves, after we have hopefully drafted a starter. Now that we are firmly in the lottery and have a good idea of what we have in our guys the deadline may be a good time to opportunistically sell however.

[The Truth #6]

The LMA/DDR years were not ripe for trades because they were still trying to compete. This year is fundamentally different and if people want to act stupid and say that its the same old same old then by all means.

I don’t see you making any great argument here. They could have easily tried to move LMA earlier to better shape the roster to complement DDR in order to win, if winning was their goal. But they didn’t. More likely they saw a rebuild was inevitable and eventually accepted it after it was too late. Seems like the same mentality to me. Sort of a Taoist approach they’ve always done. Let everyone freak out and panic, and wait for a golden opportunity in case it presents itself. Trading DDR showed good initiative, and maybe a new trend, but still too early to say.

[MannyIsGod]

I don’t see you making any great argument here. They could have easily tried to move LMA earlier to better shape the roster to complement DDR in order to win, if winning was their goal. But they didn’t. More likely they saw a rebuild was inevitable and eventually accepted it after it was too late. Seems like the same mentality to me. Sort of a Taoist approach they’ve always done. Let everyone freak out and panic, and wait for a golden opportunity in case it presents itself. Trading DDR showed good initiative, and maybe a new trend, but still too early to say.

Except.they did try to trade lma. They weren't able to due to a lack of.leverage as everyone knew he was getting bought out. But they 100% did try to move him so I'm not sure how that helps the theory they won't make midseason trades

[The Truth #6]

Except.they did try to trade lma. They weren't able to due to a lack of.leverage as everyone knew he was getting bought out. But they 100% did try to move him so I'm not sure how that helps the theory they won't make midseason trades

I'm talking about trading him earlier in the LMA/DDR process when he actually had value and "win now mode" wasn't completely delusional, only partially. And maybe they did try to trade him if the Wiseman rumors were true, but we'll never know for sure. Regardless, his value at the end was low because everyone knew he was getting bought out because...the Spurs don't make trades very often at all.

Again, maybe after trading DDR we are in a turning point, but I doubt it. We are overloaded with guards stepping over each other to get playing time. We have Young who has put up billboards that he wants to be traded. We'll see what happens.

[KingKev]

I don’t see you making any great argument here. They could have easily tried to move LMA earlier to better shape the roster to complement DDR in order to win, if winning was their goal. But they didn’t. More likely they saw a rebuild was inevitable and eventually accepted it after it was too late. Seems like the same mentality to me. Sort of a Taoist approach they’ve always done. Let everyone freak out and panic, and wait for a golden opportunity in case it presents itself. Trading DDR showed good initiative, and maybe a new trend, but still too early to say.

I’m not even convinced trading DDR was us taking initiative, more-so working with him for a mutually beneficial outcome. None of DDR/LMA/Gay/Mills wanted to return unless it was for huge money. DDR had few options in free agency so that while that trade was good for us it also helped DDR get somehwere he wanted to be at a price he was happy with.

[KingKev]

I’ve been reading Mo Bamba might be available at the deadline. If not he’ll be an RFA this summer and the Magic have to make a decision on their front line with bigs Jonathan Issac (out nearly 2 years now but presume he is ready for next season), recently extended Wendell Carter Jr, surprise rookie Franz Wagner (who has been playing the 3 but can play the 4) and a probable top 3 pick in a draft that looks to be a 3 man race of bigs.

If they end up with one of Chet Holmgren/Paulo Banchero/Jabari Smith I can’t see them retaining Mo Bamba.

After a slow start to his career due to injuries and playing in a crowded front court (Issac, Gordon, Vucevic) Bamba is starting to show something. He has had some monster games on both sides of the ball this year and his 3pt shot stroke is looking pretty good for a 7fter with a 7’10 wingspan.

I wonder if our 2 2022 SRPs and salary match, say Walker and Juancho would be enough to get him at the deadline. Would also be an interesting free agent to consider this offseason.

[talkspurs]

I’ve been reading Mo Bamba might be available at the deadline. If not he’ll be an RFA this summer and the Magic have to make a decision on their front line with bigs Jonathan Issac (out nearly 2 years now but presume he is ready for next season), recently extended Wendell Carter Jr, surprise rookie Franz Wagner (who has been playing the 3 but can play the 4) and a probable top 3 pick in a draft that looks to be a 3 man race of bigs.

If they end up with one of Chet Holmgren/Paulo Banchero/Jabari Smith I can’t see them retaining Mo Bamba.

After a slow start to his career due to injuries and playing in a crowded front court (Issac, Gordon, Vucevic) Bamba is starting to show something. He has had some monster games on both sides of the ball this year and his 3pt shot stroke is looking pretty good for a 7fter with a 7’10 wingspan.

I wonder if our 2 2022 SRPs and salary match, say Walker and Juancho would be enough to get him at the deadline. Would also be an interesting free agent to consider this offseason.

I would like to get him but everything I have seen is they were not looking to trade him and was high on him.

[KingKev]

I would like to get him but everything I have seen is they were not looking to trade him and was high on him.

He’s started most of the season but wouldn't exactly call it a breakout year. They were pretty high on Isaac pre injury. If they have a top 3 pick hard to see them not going for one of those bigs so they are going to have a log jam at the 4/5.

Also Isaac’s 70mm contract is virtually untradeable given injury history and off court antics so he almost certainly has to be in their rotation if he return’s healthy.

[KingKev]

Laker offered THT and a 2027 FRP for Jeremi Grant LOL. They need to be using their picks to offload Russ! The LBJ era is so close to over despite the fact he is still playing incredible.

[CGD]

At this point I just want some value for Thad. I’ll be very happy with the deadline if that happens.

[CGD]

I’ve been reading Mo Bamba might be available at the deadline. If not he’ll be an RFA this summer and the Magic have to make a decision on their front line with bigs Jonathan Issac (out nearly 2 years now but presume he is ready for next season), recently extended Wendell Carter Jr, surprise rookie Franz Wagner (who has been playing the 3 but can play the 4) and a probable top 3 pick in a draft that looks to be a 3 man race of bigs.

If they end up with one of Chet Holmgren/Paulo Banchero/Jabari Smith I can’t see them retaining Mo Bamba.

After a slow start to his career due to injuries and playing in a crowded front court (Issac, Gordon, Vucevic) Bamba is starting to show something. He has had some monster games on both sides of the ball this year and his 3pt shot stroke is looking pretty good for a 7fter with a 7’10 wingspan.

I wonder if our 2 2022 SRPs and salary match, say Walker and Juancho would be enough to get him at the deadline. Would also be an interesting free agent to consider this offseason.

He’d be one of my RFA in the summer. Force Orlando to make a tough choice.

Given the shitty free agent class this summer, I also would want to mess with PHX, well, just because. If offer Ayton a max 3+1 and put them at risk of losing two cost controlled years of Ayton when they match.

[KingKev]

He’d be one of my RFA in the summer. Force Orlando to make a tough choice.

Given the shitty free agent class this summer, I also would want to mess with PHX, well, just because. If offer Ayton a max 3+1 and put them at risk of losing two cost controlled years of Ayton when they match.

Very few teams are going to have the cap space to offer him a max deal without first clearing space themselves but I think Ayton ends up with the max regardless.

Pistons, Spurs, Magic and maybe Grizz (if they can move Steven Adams although they already have JJJ) would all be able to offer him the max pretty easily. It’s crazy how little cap space there is this offseason with Spurs likely to have the most at ~35 assuming a modest increase in the cap.


On the Grizz: if they salary dump Adams they’ll have 35mm in cap and also have 3 FRPs in 2022. They are going to be a presence for sometime.

[Seventyniner]

Laker offered THT and a 2027 FRP for Jeremi Grant LOL. They need to be using their picks to offload Russ! The LBJ era is so close to over despite the fact he is still playing incredible.

I'm not surprised by that offer at all. The Lakers are going all in, whatever it takes. They would trade another decade in the wilderness for a title right now.

Detroit would be foolish to take it, of course.