Liberal Media now attacking Manchin for cutting off the gravy train,,,,

[HemisfairArena]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/goodbye-godsend-expiration-child-tax-051518642.html

The father in the article says he used the money to pay for girl scouts, ballet and acting lessons. And the democrats and liberal media are outraged that Manchin would cut that off. The money is supposed to help the truly needy. Its suppose to pay for rent, food....basic needs. Not ballet and shoes and acting lessons. You democrats are a joke.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/goodbye-godsend-expiration-child-tax-051518642.html

The father in the article says he used the money to pay for girl scouts, ballet and acting lessons. And the democrats and liberal media are outraged that Manchin would cut that off. The money is supposed to help the truly needy. Its suppose to pay for rent, food....basic needs. Not ballet and shoes and acting lessons. You democrats are a joke.

You sure that's what the child tax credit has been for all this time? Why have non-poor parents been getting it all along and still will get it after you think it ends?

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They're (media) lettin' Manchin know that if he doesn't capitulate and take Sinema with him on filibuster/voting the gloves are off and he'll not be treated as a quaint curiosity for both R's & D's ever more. That he'll be "touched."

[DMC]

It could be made into a monster, If we all pull together as a team

[Will Hunting]

They're (media) lettin' Manchin know that if he doesn't capitulate and take Sinema with him on filibuster/voting the gloves are off and he'll not be treated as a quaint curiosity for both R's & D's ever more. That he'll be "touched."
You still think Manchinema will capitulate?

Imo y’all won this round, in another 3 months it’ll be midterm season when all legislation comes to a grinding halt, and there’s almost no chance Manchinema change their mind before then.

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You still think Manchinema will capitulate?

Imo y’all won this round, in another 3 months it’ll be midterm season when all legislation comes to a grinding halt, and there’s almost no chance Manchinema change their mind before then.

60/40 he won't, but you can bet he wishes he'd a never started this shit. (We) never came after him when he porked us, one big reason is MSM always helped him in those times. We just shucked and limped away, but the D's have no such intention.

[Will Hunting]

60/40 he won't, but you can bet he wishes he'd a never started this shit. (We) never came after him when he porked us, one big reason is MSM always helped him in those times. We just shucked and limped away, but the D's have no such intention.
I think even if Manchin flips, Sinema won't. It's unclear to me why the Dems are so focused on persuading Manchin and assuming Sinema will just follow along.

Manchin is just a stupid old man who got hit in the head one too many times playing football, Sinema is a genuine sociopath. She doesn't talk to all of the Arizona Democrats who helped her get started in national politics 10 years ago and genuinely thinks she's a future president. I think if enough pressure was put on Manchin earlier on he might have been more open to it, but there's no negotiating with someone like Sinema.

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I think even if Manchin flips, Sinema won't. It's unclear to me why the Dems are so focused on persuading Manchin and assuming Sinema will just follow along.

Manchin is just a stupid old man who got hit in the head one too many times playing football, Sinema is a genuine sociopath. She doesn't talk to all of the Arizona Democrats who helped her get started in national politics 10 years ago and genuinely thinks she's a future president. I think if enough pressure was put on Manchin earlier on he might have been more open to it, but there's no negotiating with someone like Sinema.

She was crying during that last statement she made, so, they figure she's vulnerable to change. Then they found that old video of her supporting the idea of the filibuster. The Dems aren't like the Repubs...the D's never give up. It's personal with them. We'll piss and moan, but once we're scalded we walk away and cry alone, or, take it out on the wife. :lmao

[Will Hunting]

She was crying during that last statement she made, so, they figure she's vulnerable to change. Then they found that old video of her supporting the idea of the filibuster. The Dems aren't like the Repubs...the D's never give up. It's personal with them. We'll piss and moan, but once we're scalded we walk away and cry alone, or, take it out on the wife. :lmao
There's tons of old videos of her hating on the filibuster...she doesn't give a shit. You can sleep easy - Sinema isn't going to budge.

[baseline bum]

I think even if Manchin flips, Sinema won't. It's unclear to me why the Dems are so focused on persuading Manchin and assuming Sinema will just follow along.

Manchin is just a stupid old man who got hit in the head one too many times playing football, Sinema is a genuine sociopath. She doesn't talk to all of the Arizona Democrats who helped her get started in national politics 10 years ago and genuinely thinks she's a future president. I think if enough pressure was put on Manchin earlier on he might have been more open to it, but there's no negotiating with someone like Sinema.

Manchin's not stupid, he's a sociopath too. Look at the shitbag daughter he raised.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Manchin is a JFK Democrat. He's one of the last vestiges of the "good" (centrist / "blue dog") Democratic Party. Assuming the GOP wins the Senate in 2022, and the map is very good for the GOP to expand in 2024 even without the West Virginia seat... the GOP can easily win the Tester seat, the Stabenow seat, the Sherrod Brown seat, the Tammy Baldwin seat etc... I hope the GOP rewards him by not running against him. Because Manchin very well may have Saved America by blocking every left wing legislation except the Nov 2021 infrastructure spending bill buying time for the GOP to win back the two chambers of Congress in Nov. 2022.

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Manchin's not stupid, he's a sociopath too. Look at the shitbag daughter he raised.

Inbred, bum? That's how it all kinda went cockeyed for Reynolds and Voight, et al, -Deliverance-

Remember, I believe it was Voight who peeked into the home of that one family and an inbred child was in there. I told this story before, but being Saturday I'll tell it again. I was working for the Cleveland Plain Dealer as a circulation director. I had to go out to this home on the near West side to see about a delivery problem. Bad neighborhood. I peeked in, everything looked kosher, so I knocked and was granted entrance. Some hillbilly woman looked like grandma Walton with a beard. "I'll get him." She walked away. The house was filled with horseflies. Nosy me, I shifted over and peeked into this room off the entry way. And there was this baby crib against the far wall. "Don't go over there, Dale." I said to myself. I didn't listen as I usually don't. And walked on over, looked down in there. Christ, it was an inbred guy, like a midget in a diaper, a full one with a five o'clock shadow. Fuck me.

I don't much remember after that except driving home to Girl, fast and crying on her shoulder.

[baseline bum]

Manchin is a JFK Democrat. He's one of the last vestiges of the "good" (centrist / "blue dog") Democratic Party. Assuming the GOP wins the Senate in 2022, and the map is very good for the GOP to expand in 2024 even without the West Virginia seat... the GOP can easily win the Tester seat, the Stabenow seat, the Sherrod Brown seat, the Tammy Baldwin seat etc... I hope the GOP rewards him by not running against him. Because Manchin very well may have Saved America by blocking every left wing legislation except the Nov 2021 infrastructure spending bill buying time for the GOP to win back the two chambers of Congress in Nov. 2022.

JFK wanted a top tax rate of 65% and he was the one who proposed the Voting Rights Act, Manchin's the one killing voting rights. GTFO with this stupid shit.

[Will Hunting]

Manchin is a JFK Democrat.
:lmao

[Will Hunting]

Manchin's not stupid, he's a sociopath too. Look at the shitbag daughter he raised.
Oh yeah Manchin is a piece of shit too, but he's at least listening to the arguments being made about the filibuster. Sinema has basically refused to engage in discussions.

[ElNono]

Manchin is a JFK Democrat.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

JFK wanted a top tax rate of 65% and he was the one who proposed the Voting Rights Act, Manchin's the one killing voting rights. GTFO with this stupid shit.
Lyndon Johnson

And no, Manchin isn't "killing voting rights". The VRA is already law and has been law for 57 years. Manchin isn't looking to repeal the LBJ era VRA. The left now just wants to radicalize and extend it to include illegal aliens and felons, green card holders, other non-citizens, and make it easier to vote in non-traditional ways that are susceptible to fraud and cheating, such as by mail, online, by mobile app, etc. Anyone who doesn't have anything to hide should be against all of that. It's a damn shame and a sham to this once-great nation that you have 48 Democrat Senators who are in support of this cheating.

[baseline bum]

Lyndon Johnson

And no, Manchin isn't "killing voting rights". The VRA is already law and has been law for 57 years. Manchin isn't looking to repeal the LBJ era VRA. The left now just wants to radicalize and extend it to include illegal aliens and felons, green card holders, other non-citizens, and make it easier to vote in non-traditional ways that are susceptible to fraud and cheating, such as by mail, online, by mobile app, etc. Anyone who doesn't have anything to hide should be against all of that. It's a damn shame and a sham to this once-great nation that you have 48 Democrat Senators who are in support of this cheating.

Kennedy is the one who proposed the VRA and would have signed it into law if he wasn't assassinated. The VRA was pretty much invalidated by the right wing supreme court, you're an idiot.

[baseline bum]

Oh yeah Manchin is a piece of shit too, but he's at least listening to the arguments being made about the filibuster. Sinema has basically refused to engage in discussions.

He's only listening because muh bipartisanship. His mind has already been made up.

[Millennial_Messiah]

He's only listening because muh bipartisanship. His mind has already been made up.

Which way is he gonna go?

[baseline bum]

Which way is he gonna go?

He's preserving the filibuster as it is.

[koriwhat]

He's preserving the filibuster as it is.

:tu

[Millennial_Messiah]

He's preserving the filibuster as it is.

As should the other Democrat senators. As Biden himself and Chuck Schumer once said, "ending the filibuster will make us a banana republic". :toast

[baseline bum]

As should the other Democrat senators. As Biden himself and Chuck Schumer once said, "ending the filibuster will make us a banana republic". :toast

We have been a banana republic for decades now.

[koriwhat]

We have been a banana republic for decades now.

You cry too much bro.

[Millennial_Messiah]

We have been a banana republic for decades now.

Do you even know what a banana republic is? :lmao even Will Hunting won't agree with you.

Look at the kleptocracies of Central America and third world Africa... now those are banana republics.

[Will Hunting]

Do you even know what a banana republic is? :lmao even Will Hunting won't agree with you.

Look at the kleptocracies of Central America and third world Africa... now those are banana republics.
Pretty sure it's you who doesn't know what a banana republic is. Every 1st world country has a government that operates by simple majority rule, not sure how nuking the filibuster somehow would make us one.

[DMC]

Pretty sure it's you who doesn't know what a banana republic is. Every 1st world country has a government that operates by simple majority rule, not sure how nuking the filibuster somehow would make us one.

I was in a BR once, all that shit they had was "she bought this for me" shit, no cisgendered male would wear that shit off stage.

[SnakeBoy]

Pretty sure it's you who doesn't know what a banana republic is. Every 1st world country has a government that operates by simple majority rule, not sure how nuking the filibuster somehow would make us one.

You're gonna cry like a baby when repugs nuke it

Muh Facism :cry

[baseline bum]

You're gonna cry like a baby when repugs nuke it

Muh Facism :cry

Why would they? McConnell loves the filibuster. It limits the hell out of what the Democrats can do since reconciliation won't let them do shit like raise the minimum wage or pass a voter rights bill since neither would pass the parliamentarian. Meanwhile it gives McConnell an out for not passing stupid shit he doesn't want like Trump's border wall while letting him play victim. Hell, same shit for Trump, he didn't want that wall either, he just wanted to play victim for the Democrats blocking it. Meanwhile the only thing McConnell really cares about is tax cuts for the rich, which they can always do by reconciliation when they have 50 senators. You think McConnell wants to cede power to the GOP's fascist base?

[Will Hunting]

You're gonna cry like a baby when repugs nuke it

Muh Facism :cry
I hope they do nuke it and I expect them to.

A majority elected by voters being able to pass its agenda wouldn't be fascism.

[Will Hunting]

Why would they? McConnell loves the filibuster. It limits the hell out of what the Democrats can do since reconciliation won't let them do shit like raise the minimum wage or pass a voter rights bill since neither would pass the parliamentarian. Meanwhile it gives McConnell an out for not passing stupid shit he doesn't want like Trump's border wall while letting him play victim. Hell, same shit for Trump, he didn't want that wall either, he just wanted to play victim for the Democrats blocking it. Meanwhile the only thing McConnell really cares about is tax cuts for the rich, which they can always do by reconciliation when they have 50 senators. You think McConnell wants to cede power to the GOP's fascist base?
McConnell would be stupid not to nuke it when the GOP retakes control only because it's certain to get nuked whenever Democrats retake congress again after that. It's pretty clear at this point the filibuster is done for, just a question of which party grabs power first, and Cocaine Mitch definitely knows it.

McConnell is also going to eventually lose control of that caucus when senators like Blunt and Portman get replaced by Eric Greitens and Josh Mandel.

[SnakeBoy]

I hope they do nuke it and I expect them to.

A majority elected by voters being able to pass its agenda wouldn't be fascism.

I stand corrected, you won't. Others on here will, I'm sure.

I don't see any way for the filibuster to survive once the elders die off.

[baseline bum]

McConnell would be stupid not to nuke it when the GOP retakes control only because it's certain to get nuked whenever Democrats retake congress again after that. It's pretty clear at this point the filibuster is done for, just a question of which party grabs power first, and Cocaine Mitch definitely knows it.

McConnell is also going to eventually lose control of that caucus when senators like Blunt and Portman get replaced by Eric Greitens and Josh Mandel.

Like it was certain to get nuked this time? The filibuster keeps the Democrats from being able to do another ACA level bill even if they have a wave election since they'll never get to 60 again in the senate until the boomers die off. McConnell killing the filibuster risks the Democrats being able to pass something big that will be unpopular for the GOP to remove, like how their attempts at ACA repeal killed them in the 2018 midterms. The filibuster is such an asset to the GOP since it neuters the Democrats while doesn't limit the Republicans' ability to give tax cuts to the rich.

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McConnell would be stupid not to nuke it when the GOP retakes control only because it's certain to get nuked whenever Democrats retake congress again after that. It's pretty clear at this point the filibuster is done for, just a question of which party grabs power first, and Cocaine Mitch definitely knows it.

McConnell is also going to eventually lose control of that caucus when senators like Blunt and Portman get replaced by Eric Greitens and Josh Mandel.


Like it was certain to get nuked this time? The filibuster keeps the Democrats from being able to do another ACA level bill even if they have a wave election since they'll never get to 60 again in the senate until the boomers die off. McConnell killing the filibuster risks the Democrats being able to pass something big that will be unpopular for the GOP to remove, like how their attempts at ACA repeal killed them in the 2018 midterms. The filibuster is such an asset to the GOP since it neuters the Democrats while doesn't limit the Republicans' ability to give tax cuts to the rich.

Will & the bum.

[Will Hunting]

I stand corrected, you won't. Others on here will, I'm sure.

I don't see any way for the filibuster to survive once the elders die off.
Same.

The GOP almost surely wins the senate back in '24 (assuming it doesn't in '22), and it'll probably hold the senate for at least 6 years after that. By 2030+, the blue dog/centrist Democrat won't be an endangered species, it'll be extinct, and any Democratic senate majority in at that point will have like Mark Kelly as its most moderate member.

If I've thought this through it means McConnell absolutely has, thus it's toast imo.

[Will Hunting]

Like it was certain to get nuked this time? The filibuster keeps the Democrats from being able to do another ACA level bill even if they have a wave election since they'll never get to 60 again in the senate until the boomers die off. McConnell killing the filibuster risks the Democrats being able to pass something big that will be unpopular for the GOP to remove, like how their attempts at ACA repeal killed them in the 2018 midterms. The filibuster is such an asset to the GOP since it neuters the Democrats while doesn't limit the Republicans' ability to give tax cuts to the rich.
I think the next senate majority the Democrats have after this one (whenever that may be) won't have any Manchins or Sinemas or even Mark Warners in it, and I think Cocaine Mitch is well aware of this fact, so he knows that either he nukes it or the Democratic majority that'll happen after that nukes it. There's no plausible scenario where the filibuster still exists in 10 years; just a matter of who nukes it first.

[baseline bum]

I think the next senate majority the Democrats have after this one (whenever that may be) won't have any Manchins or Sinemas or even Mark Warners in it, and I think Cocaine Mitch is well aware of this fact, so he knows that either he nukes it or the Democratic majority that'll happen after that nukes it. There's no plausible scenario where the filibuster still exists in 10 years; just a matter of who nukes it first.

It took Trump blowing the pandemic for the Democrats to even get to 50. I don't have much faith in them doing well in the senate for a while and I don't buy there won't be another Lieberman, Nelson, Sinema, or Manchin in their ranks again if they do manage to get to 50 again in the near future.

[Will Hunting]

It took Trump blowing the pandemic for the Democrats to even get to 50. I don't have much faith in them doing well in the senate for a while and I don't buy there won't be another Lieberman, Nelson, Sinema, or Manchin in their ranks again if they do manage to get to 50 again in the near future.
I don't see it. All the democrats running for senate now are basically required to pledge their support of nuking the filibuster (Lamb, Demings, Ryan, etc.) in order to win a primary.

Also Sinema will get obliterated in 2024 if she runs for senate again, which is going to scare other candidates as well.

The problem is that getting back to 50+1 after we lose in 2024 could take a really fucking long time.

[Dirks_Finale]

Is there like a HOF for the senate? If so, Sinema should be in it. Courageous and easy on the eyes. Hopefully she's there for the next 2 decades.

[HemisfairArena]

I don't see it. All the democrats running for senate now are basically required to pledge their support of nuking the filibuster (Lamb, Demings, Ryan, etc.) in order to win a primary.

Also Sinema will get obliterated in 2024 if she runs for senate again, which is going to scare other candidates as well.

The problem is that getting back to 50+1 after we lose in 2024 could take a really fucking long time.

Just wait til republicans take back control and up the voting age. Then youll really see the wheels come off the democrat wagon. They are already setting voting bills in place. Next step is to cancel out the naive college kids until they are older and learned what earning a living is all about. All Beto did here in Texas when he ran against Cruz was hit college campuses. Republicans are gonna go extreme and try to up the voting age to 25 at least. No doubt about it. There were even democrat politicians suggesting lowering the voting age to 16. Read here:

https://lieu.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news/125-democrats-and-1-republican-vote-lower-voting-age-16

[baseline bum]

Just wait til republicans take back control and up the voting age. Then youll really see the wheels come off the democrat wagon. They are already setting voting bills in place. Next step is to cancel out the naive college kids until they are older and learned what earning a living is all about. All Beto did here in Texas when he ran against Cruz was hit college campuses. Republicans are gonna go extreme and try to up the voting age to 25 at least. No doubt about it. There were even democrat politicians suggesting lowering the voting age to 16. Read here:

https://lieu.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news/125-democrats-and-1-republican-vote-lower-voting-age-16

LOL this old faggot wants taxation without representation

[HemisfairArena]

LOL this old faggot wants taxation without representation

Keep your head in the sand, son...its what youve done your whole life...why change now?

[baseline bum]

Keep your head in the sand, son...its what youve done your whole life...why change now?

Should probably take voting rights away from senile boomers who have wrecked this country for the last 40 years.

[ElNono]

Just wait til republicans take back control and up the voting age. Then youll really see the wheels come off the democrat wagon. They are already setting voting bills in place. Next step is to cancel out the naive college kids until they are older and learned what earning a living is all about. All Beto did here in Texas when he ran against Cruz was hit college campuses. Republicans are gonna go extreme and try to up the voting age to 25 at least. No doubt about it. There were even democrat politicians suggesting lowering the voting age to 16. Read here:

https://lieu.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news/125-democrats-and-1-republican-vote-lower-voting-age-16

25 is not high enough, tbh... at this stage, they need to up it to 65+ to corner the remaining boomer population in order to win the popular vote.

Dennison was probably the most popular GOP candidate since Reagan, and he couldn't do it. Twice.

[Trainwreck2100]

25 is not high enough, tbh... at this stage, they need to up it to 65+ to corner the remaining boomer population in order to win the popular vote.

Dennison was probably the most popular GOP candidate since Reagan, and he couldn't do it. Twice.

Trump squeeze out 75 million votes, that's so many fucking people who got shit in their mouths and asked for a second helping

[SnakeBoy]

Should probably take voting rights away from senile boomers who have wrecked this country for the last 40 years.

lol Biden voter

[baseline bum]

lol Biden voter

lol Trump voter

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Trump squeeze out 75 million votes, that's so many fucking people who got shit in their mouths and asked for a second helping

What the hell? Wrecky, you never talk like this.

[ElNono]

Trump squeeze out 75 million votes, that's so many fucking people who got shit in their mouths and asked for a second helping


What the hell? Wrecky, you never talk like this.

gottheeeem

[DMC]

Trump squeeze out 75 million votes, that's so many fucking people who got shit in their mouths and asked for a second helping

You go boy

[Will Hunting]

Just wait til republicans take back control and up the voting age. Then youll really see the wheels come off the democrat wagon. They are already setting voting bills in place. Next step is to cancel out the naive college kids until they are older and learned what earning a living is all about. All Beto did here in Texas when he ran against Cruz was hit college campuses. Republicans are gonna go extreme and try to up the voting age to 25 at least. No doubt about it. There were even democrat politicians suggesting lowering the voting age to 16. Read here:

https://lieu.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news/125-democrats-and-1-republican-vote-lower-voting-age-16
The 26th amendment has a voting age of 18; it would require a new constitutional amendment to change that, you wouldn't be able to do it with a simple majority.

[DMC]

Just wait til republicans take back control and up the voting age. Then youll really see the wheels come off the democrat wagon. They are already setting voting bills in place. Next step is to cancel out the naive college kids until they are older and learned what earning a living is all about. All Beto did here in Texas when he ran against Cruz was hit college campuses. Republicans are gonna go extreme and try to up the voting age to 25 at least. No doubt about it. There were even democrat politicians suggesting lowering the voting age to 16. Read here:

https://lieu.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news/125-democrats-and-1-republican-vote-lower-voting-age-16

This is borderline retarded. There's no fucking way voting age goes to 16 or 25. This isn't even an issue and should be dismissed with prejudice.