We are free!(of Bryn)

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[BatManu20]

Spurs targeting the most Hispanic name in the league naturally :lol

Would much rather have gotten a 2nd Round Pick at least tbh. Glad he’s gone though. Denver can use him and this frees up minutes for Primo. Win-win.

Hernangomez is averaging 1 point, 1 rebound, & 0 assists this season.
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[Degoat]

Oh shit!!! Let’s go

[NASpurs]

:huddle::huddle::danceclub:danceclub

[NASpurs]

Obviously it means Thad is gone ( getting Hernangomez).

[Degoat]

Are we getting a pick at least? Lol

[Flawless]

Bryn was sacrificed for nothing...

[Darius Bieber]

Hernangomez sucks. He was literally getting no minutes on the Celtics.

[NASpurs]

Bryn was sacrificed for nothing...

I would had sacrificed him for a bag of Doritos. Nothing is the next best thing

[Mr. Body]

Weird. Hernangomez isn't worth Forbes. A favor to Forbes, I guess.

[BatManu20]

Weird. Hernangomez isn't worth Forbes. A favor to Forbes, I guess.

Definitely seems like a favor. Hernangomez sucks. Would much rather have gotten a SRP from Denver. Weird trade but whatever. Forbes gone = more minutes for Primo.

[Leetonidas]

Kind of anticlimactic, not that i was expecting much return but still. Hernangomez is trash

[MannyIsGod]

Where are all the people who said a) Forbes wouldn't be traded cause no one would want him, b) Pop won't trade Forbes, and C) the Spurs won't make a trade.

Special S/O if you're one of the few triple threats who managed to fall in all three categories.

[Darius Bieber]

PATFO taking on Hernangomez’s awful contract :lmao

[Degoat]

Wonder if Juancho will stick around or get cut? Don’t know a whole lot about him, seems like a decent shooter

[MultiTroll]

No pick?

WTH the incompetence continues.

That name Juancho Hernangomez :rollin

[Leetonidas]

PATFO taking on Hernangomez’s awful contract :lmao

he's guaranteed in 2023 for $7,419,505 :lmao WTF :lmao

edit: nvm sportrac has him as unguaranteed

[Darius Bieber]

he's guaranteed in 2023 for $7,419,505 :lmao WTF :lmao
Our FO is the worst in the league :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Mr. Body]

Might be more to the trade. This isn't completely official. (Trade includes...) Might be it but Spurs gave up the best player and took on more salary, so right now I expect there was a pick involved.

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs are probably getting a pick out of this. I really doubt they have any interest in Hernangomez after this year.

[Mr. Body]

he's guaranteed in 2023 for $7,419,505 :lmao WTF :lmao

He's not guaranteed in 2023.

[MannyIsGod]

he's guaranteed in 2023 for $7,419,505 :lmao WTF :lmao

No its not.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/juan-hernangomez-20220/

[daslicer]

He's not guaranteed in 2023.

Hoopshype is showing he's guaranteed for 2023.

https://hoopshype.com/player/juan-hernangomez/salary/

[MannyIsGod]

PATFO taking on Hernangomez’s awful contract :lmao

Are y'all fucking stupid? Its a non guarnteed contract after this year. They eat like a mil more than Forbes deal for the rest of the year, which is why they are probably getting a pick but his salary isn't shit.

[MannyIsGod]

Hoopshype is showing he's guaranteed for 2023.

https://hoopshype.com/player/juan-hernangomez/salary/

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1333513856262533125?s=20

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

the view from boston when they got juancho:

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/09/what-juancho-hernangomez-trade-means-for-celtics-future-options-next-season.html

"Hernangomez is signed for through the 2022-23 season but his $7.5 million salary is not guaranteed until June 30, 2022. That will give Boston maximum flexibility in determining whether they want to keep him at that price before free agency begins. Given his spot on Boston’s depth chart, it will be an uphill battle for Hernangomez to prove he’s worth that money in a reserve role. However, it’s also possible that he could be a useful salary matching chip in a trade next offseason as an expiring contract."

"The addition of Hernangomez at 6-foot-9 gives Ime Udoka a stretch shooter with legitimate size that can play power forward off the bench."

"Final Thoughts

All in all, it’s not a flashy trade but Brad Stevens and Boston’s front office did well here in adding another piece to a roster that makes sense with limited trade capital. The team gets a look at Hernangomez for a season with the option to keep him for longer if they like what they see. Otherwise, his expiring contract could come in handy for other potential deals. Either way, Boston’s depth chart just got a lot more balanced ahead of training camp."

[Leetonidas]

Thanks for clarifying but clearly more than one site has their info incorrect. no need to get all defensive for the FO :lol

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

he's guaranteed in 2023 for $7,419,505 :lmao WTF :lmao


WHAT?!!!

man we better get a pick or something! Just him and his guaranteed salary? SMH

edit: thank goodness it’s not guaranteed in 23. Hopefully we get a pick out of this because Forbes is the best player traded out of the guys moved.

[Mr. Body]

Hoopshype is showing he's guaranteed for 2023.

https://hoopshype.com/player/juan-hernangomez/salary/

They're wrong.

[Mr. Body]

Thanks for clarifying but clearly more than one site has their info incorrect. no need to get all defensive for the FO :lol

It's not defensive. You were just wrong.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

even hoopshype says it's not guaranteed LOL

[Leetonidas]

It's not defensive. You were just wrong.


"are y'all fucking stupid" sounds pretty defensive to me. sit down

[MannyIsGod]

His stats with Boston suck, but they also already have Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Brian Williams eating those minutes. I doubt the Spurs made this trade for him in particular, but it will be interesting if they give him a test drive in the rest of the games. Dude isn't exactly old.

[MannyIsGod]

"are y'all fucking stupid" sounds pretty defensive to me. sit down

Hoopshype literally says its not guaranteed. I'll take this as conformation that yes, y'all are indeed fucking stupid.

[Leetonidas]

Hoopshype literally says its not guaranteed. I'll take this as conformation that yes, y'all are indeed fucking stupid.

i wasnt looking at hoopshype dipshit :lol

[Darius Bieber]

A 2028 2nd round pick :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Mr. Body]

"are y'all fucking stupid" sounds pretty defensive to me. sit down

It's more you flying off the fucking handle like a redass goon. I'm a bit tired of people assuming this FO is full of idiots. It's not. They're smarter than you. Commence with the stupid emoticons.

[Thomas82]

He'll be back.

[NASpurs]

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Who's the "versatile wing" that we're getting?

[TD 21]

Forbes likely wasn't commanding a legit (at least short term) 2nd. Spurs add $1.6M, but Hernangomez is worth a flyer. He's been terrible in recent years and barring him showing a pulse here, he's probably headed back to Spain in the off season, but a youngish, decent volume 3-point shooting big wing fills a need. If he regains his form from earlier in his career, they can waive him and depending on how the draft shakes out, possibly re-sign him at a more appropriate salary.

[Darius Bieber]

Spurs aren't getting a 2nd because the Celtics merely went from $4.6M over the tax to $2.5M over it after this.

Spurs add $1.6M, but Hernangomez is worth a flyer. He's been terrible in recent years and barring him showing a pulse here, he's probably headed back to Spain in the off season, but a youngish, decent volume 3-point shooting big wing fills a need. If he regains his form from earlier in his career, they can waive him and depending on how the draft shakes out, possibly re-sign him at a more appropriate salary.

We got Denver’s 2028 2nd rounder

[Leetonidas]

It's more you flying off the fucking handle like a redass goon. I'm a bit tired of people assuming this FO is full of idiots. It's not. They're smarter than you. Commence with the stupid emoticons.

"he makes X guaranteed in 2023"

"no need to get defensive"


:lmao yeah thats flying off the fucking handle. youre such an easily triggered sniffer

[MannyIsGod]

i wasnt looking at hoopshype dipshit :lol

So then what site that was wrong are you looking at dumb fuck? Obviously its a great site!

Just take the L, its fine. We should all be happy Forbes is gone. Some of you find a way to take an L even from the best news. Amazing talent tbh.

[FutureMan]

Truth is out. Signed him just to trade him. We are starting to gather too many 2nds though. How many is that? 5??

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs aren't getting a 2nd because the Celtics merely went from $4.6M over the tax to $2.5M over it after this.

Spurs add $1.6M, but Hernangomez is worth a flyer. He's been terrible in recent years and barring him showing a pulse here, he's probably headed back to Spain in the off season, but a youngish, decent volume 3-point shooting big wing fills a need. If he regains his form from earlier in his career, they can waive him and depending on how the draft shakes out, possibly re-sign him at a more appropriate salary.

They are getting a 2nd.

[CGD]

We got Denver’s 2028 2nd rounder

Pretty good deal then in my view assuming it’s not an insanely protected 2nd. Thad’s replacement and Zollins insurance, plus option to pick up his next year if he looks decent enough. In 2028, DEN could we’ll suck again.

[Leetonidas]

:lmao mrs body and the fat monkey guy getting triggered over a simple mistake

[MannyIsGod]

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Who's the "versatile wing" that we're getting?

Hernangomez is not limited to one position. He can sit on multiple chairs on the bench both while being a 4 and a 5. Versatile AF.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao mrs body and the fat monkey guy getting triggered over a simple mistake

All this because you couldn't just say you were wrong. Never change my dude, never change.

[NASpurs]

Hernangomez is not limited to one position. He can sit on multiple chairs on the bench both while being a 4 and a 5. Versatile AF.

I get that but Woj said wing.

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Amazing we got worse *after* trading Forbes, somehow. Now we have what 5!!!! Centers: Poeltl, Landale, Eubanks, Collins, and now Hernangomez.

Awesome stuff, PATFO!

[Leetonidas]

All this because you couldn't just say you were wrong. Never change my dude, never change.

:lol all what? some of yall take ST posting way too seriously

[Leetonidas]

Amazing we got worse *after* trading Forbes, somehow. Now we have what 5!!!! Centers: Poeltl, Landale, Eubanks, Collins, and now Hernangomez.

Awesome stuff, PATFO!

He is a 6'9" forward

[TD 21]

Amazing we got worse *after* trading Forbes, somehow. Now we have what 5!!!! Centers: Poeltl, Landale, Eubanks, Collins, and now Hernangomez.

Awesome stuff, PATFO!

Hernangomez is a four. Not trying to be snide, but I don't get why the modern positional designation is so difficult for so many.

[couchman]

LOL at all the idiot hot takes in here who can't wait for details.
We just managed to turn Forbes into a 2nd round pick, cleared room for Primo to play more, and all we have to do is carry a little more salary for four months. Seems like a solid move to me.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL at all the idiot hot takes in here who can't wait for details.
We just managed to turn Forbes into a 2nd round pick, cleared room for Primo to play more, and all we have to do is carry a little more salary for four months. Seems like a solid move to me.

Get this man a bolded name.

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Hernangomez is a four. Not trying to be snide, but I don't get why the modern positional designation is so difficult for so many.

He's Eubanks 2.0 man. He'll play the 4 and 5 depending on spacing and rotation. Sometimes Pop plays both Landale and Eubanks. You tell me who is the 4 and who is the 5...speaking of "positional designation."

[Mr. Body]

Amazing we got worse *after* trading Forbes, somehow. Now we have what 5!!!! Centers: Poeltl, Landale, Eubanks, Collins, and now Hernangomez.

Awesome stuff, PATFO!

Why are people shitting their drawers? It's embarrassing.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol all what? some of yall take ST posting way too seriously

Maybe if you add two emojis to your next reply you'll look like less of a moron.

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Why are people shitting their drawers? It's embarrassing.

Shitting their drawers? Um ok, if thats how you read my derision for PATFO, go ahead brother.

[MannyIsGod]

There's literally nothing to dislike about this trade. Its not an amazing trade by any stretch but its not bad.

[Mr. Body]

Hernangomez wasn't entirely shitty last year, although there must be a reason Udoka doesn't play him. Guessing he just straight up sucks, which is fine. He's gone at the end of the year.

Got a second, sent Forbes off to a contender who is not the Suns, Lakers or Warriors. That's cool.

An interesting note is that this is pretty early in the window, still. I wonder if this lines something up for getting Young on the move finally.

[Mr. Body]

Shitting their drawers? Um ok, if thats how you read my derision for PATFO, go ahead brother.

Because it's dumb and misplaced. Goddamn, settle down son.

[Leetonidas]

Maybe if you add two emojis to your next reply you'll look like less of a moron.

It's cute how serious you take ST

[itzsoweezee]

:danceclub:danceclub:danceclub

[MannyIsGod]

It's cute how serious you take ST

Soooooooooooooo serious.

[scott]

I'm in for anyone named Juancho.

I'm also in for signing Bryn every offseason from now to eternity just to trade him for far out 2nd round picks. When we draft Manu's kids in 2028 with those 2nd rounders y'all gonna be looking like real clowns.

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Is everything PATFO does above and beyond second guessing for you without telling ppl they're shitting the bed?

I think, and I'm betting the future will bear me out to be correct. He'll ride the pine never getting much more than 10-12 MPG. We get a mid to late second out of it and add a bit to our payroll. How many second rounders do we have now? Is this last one gonna be the cherry on top of a trade that nets us a plus player?

Instead of shading me, perhaps you should be asking those questions and looking with a less glossy PATFO eye.

Just a thought.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Decent minor deal. Juancho will very likely be waived to make room for a 2 for 1 trade or for signing someone for the rest of the season after the trade deadline. He's had a crazy good stint with Minnesota a couple of years ago btw.

Basically it's Bryn for a future 2nd, which most here thought wouldn't be possible. Turns out Bryn's actually been a small positive asset.

Boston will have to swing more deals to get under the tax.

[MI21]

Great news.

[flox]

Is everything PATFO does above and beyond second guessing for you without telling ppl they're shitting the bed?

I think, and I'm betting the future will bear me out to be correct. He'll ride the pine never getting much more than 10-12 MPG. We get a mid to late second out of it and add a bit to our payroll. How many second rounders do we have now? Is this last one gonna be the cherry on top of a trade that nets us a plus player?

Instead of shading me, perhaps you should be asking those questions and looking with a less glossy PATFO eye.

Just a thought.
who the fuck cares one of our younger guards is going to get more playing time (i don't care if its walker, vassell, or primo) and bryn is gone to a contender. how people still manage to find shit out of absolute gold developments is beyond me

[sananspursfan21]

For the return, I’d rather have kept Forbes random 25 point games. Even if it meant he gave up 25 :lol Juan is the worse of the Hernangomez brothers and neither of them are doing much right now. Yuck.

edit: just saw the second rounder detail. I guess it’s not so bad…

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who the fuck cares one of our younger guards is going to get more playing time (i don't care if its walker, vassell, or primo) and bryn is gone to a contender. how people still manage to find shit out of absolute gold developments is beyond me

yes, because Bryn was the cog keeping Primo off the floor. I swear some of you folks will never snap out of your PATFO stanning. It's kinda sad really, even though I was a sniffer until 1.5 yrs ago. You know who has been keeping Primo off the floor? Pop. Look no further and stop making embarrassing excuses for the source.

[BatManu20]

The 2RP makes it a much more reasonable trade. Hopefully no protections on that pick. 6 years is a long ways away. Who knows if Denver will be any good by then. Could be an early 2nd.

[Dejounte]

Never thought I’d see the day people bitch about what we got from trading Forbes away, but here we are.

[Trueblood]

LOL at all the idiot hot takes in here who can't wait for details.
We just managed to turn Forbes into a 2nd round pick, cleared room for Primo to play more, and all we have to do is carry a little more salary for four months. Seems like a solid move to me.

So much this

[SpurPadre]

People mad after getting rid of arguably the most hated Spurs player of all-time?

[spurraider21]

Best Spurs moment since Manu’s dunk on Bosh

[SpurPadre]

Best Spurs moment since Manu’s dunk on Bosh

It's our Game 7 win of the season.

[Dejounte]

People mad after getting rid of arguably the most hated Spurs player of all-time?

Seriously what the fuck

next thing we know, people will cry about getting nothing for Eubanks (the worst Spur of all time) when he gets let go

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Never thought I’d see the day people bitch about what we got from trading Forbes away, but here we are.

Thats why I said it was amazing that we got worse **AFTER** trading him away.

And let's look at this with a rational eye. Anyone know the stats on 2nd rounders turning into rotational players in the league? Less than 20% of NBA players currently in the League are 2nd round picks. Of those, only about 5-10% make any sort of All-NBA team.

Point is there are only so many Ginobilis. And the odds are low, VERY LOW that this pick 6 yrs down the road, ever turns into a player that makes it to the league, let alone stays there. Thats how you know that trading Forbes for Juancho and a SRP was a failure.

Sometimes youre better off just keeping what you have, or NEVER signing him in the first place so we maybe, just maybe could have kept our FRP at the 19th selection just 3 yrs ago, you know?

[Stump]

Good trade. This clears room for a younger player to take Forbes' minutes while helping him find a spot on another team. We also get a 2nd round pick to top it off.

[Atl Spur]

Showcasing him we were…..

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LOL at all the idiot hot takes in here who can't wait for details.
We just managed to turn Forbes into a 2nd round pick, cleared room for Primo to play more, and all we have to do is carry a little more salary for four months. Seems like a solid move to me.

Another Pop sniffer that thinks Bryn was keeping people from getting minutes. Pop sniffing is very similar to those Elon fan boys that think he can do no harm.

[cool cat]

2028 2nd round pick WTF??? Didn't even know you could trade that far out.

[Dejounte]

Thats why I said it was amazing that we got worse **AFTER** trading him away.

And let's look at this with a rational eye. Anyone know the stats on 2nd rounders turning into rotational players in the league? Less than 20% of NBA players currently in the League are 2nd round picks. Of those, only about 10% make any sort of All-NBA team.

Point is there are only so many Ginobilis. And the odds are low, VERY LOW that this pick 6 yrs down the road, ever turns into a player that makes it to the league, let alone stays there. Thats how you know that trading Forbes for Juancho and a SRP was a failure.

The Spurs didn’t get worse because in the grand scheme of things Juancho is drop of a needle and may not even stay as a Spur for long

how the fuck can you say the Spurs got worse unless you legit think Bryn brought something of value when he was on the court?

HOW from that standpoint do you think the Spurs got worse basketball wise?

it can’t be contractual because this impacts the Spurs’ cap room very little.

From your post, you’re bitching about a second rounder because you think second rounders amount to nothing. Did you expect a first rounder?

what the fuck are the expectations here?

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Good trade. This clears room for a younger player to take Forbes' minutes while helping him find a spot on another team. We also get a 2nd round pick to top it off.

And another...

A SRP with a <20% chance of being in the league after a second season?

[objective]

Never thought I'd see the day, never been happier to have been wrong.

Don't care about Juancho, just freeing up minutes for the other guards is a victory

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The Spurs didn’t get worse because in the grand scheme of things Juancho is drop of a needle and may not even stay as a Spur for long

how the fuck can you say the Spurs got worse unless you legit think Bryn brought something of value when he was on the court?

HOW from that standpoint do you think the Spurs got worse basketball wise?

it can’t be contractual because this impacts the Spurs’ cap room very little.

From your post, you’re bitching about a second rounder because you think second rounders amount to nothing. Did you expect a first rounder?

what the fuck are the expectations here?

Lol. I literally answered your question in the post to which you responded. Read better.

"Sometimes youre better off just keeping what you have, or NEVER signing him in the first place so we maybe, just maybe could have kept our FRP at the 19th selection just 3 yrs ago, you know?"

[Spursfanfromafar]

This is a decent trade. A 2rp from Denver in 2028 ensures that they might get a rotation player from the Nuggets when Jokic is over his prime. And Juancho showed some promise with Denver and Minnesota before getting lost in the forwards shuffle in Boston. He will shoot more threes than Thad Young and will be a better defender than McDermott. Worth a flier.

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Never thought I'd see the day, never been happier to have been wrong.

Don't care about Juancho, just freeing up minutes for the other guards is a victory

Of our own making, lol. Who chose to sign him and take those minutes in the first place? Now we're praising a move for, wait for it...MINUTES freed up that pop will control like a NAZI anyways? You guys are too easy.

[Dejounte]

At the very worst, this move is like a fart in the wind and people should go about their day. For some people, that was a nice smelling fart and are enjoying the ambience. For others, they want to act like Karens about a natural act of humanity. “OH ThE TrAvEStY!!!”

[RC_Drunkford]

Solid move. My question is what are we going to do with all these 2nd round picks?

[offset formation]

At the very worst, this move is like a fart in the wind and people should go about their day. For some people, that was a nice smelling fart and are enjoying the ambience. For others, they want to act like Karens about a natural act of humanity.

im trying to go with your analogy here but im confused if im the Karen or the fart sniffer?

[PhantomDashCam]

Seems like a solid deal.

Team will always do right by those who embody the “Spurs way.”

Denver is a sneaky, dark horse team this year. If they miraculously get all their bodies back (Murray and Porter Jr.), they will be a tough out.
Bryn gets a chance to contribute again for another team in win-now mode who won’t impede other up and coming players.

Spurs take a chance on a guy who may end up being one of the better shooters on the team in a position that has been in flux for awhile now.

[objective]

Of our own making, lol. Who chose to sign him and take those minutes in the first place? Now we're praising a move for, wait for it...MINUTES freed up that pop will control like a NAZI anyways? You guys are too easy.

Hey, no one hated the Forbes signing more than me. Right down there with my least favorite Spurs of all time.

The Spurs front office stumbling drunkenly into slight correction is better than watching Forbes the rest of the season

[Dejounte]

Lol. I literally answered your question in the post to which you responded. Read better.

"Sometimes youre better off just keeping what you have, or NEVER signing him in the first place so we maybe, just maybe could have kept our FRP at the 19th selection just 3 yrs ago, you know?"


So you’re not even mad at the move itself, but you’re on here sharing your disdain about moves that led up to it than your disdain for Forbes actually being traded. That’s the root of this. You’re playing yourself but please go on and being outraged that people aren’t as upset and bitter as you are.

[Proxy]

:birthday:

[tim_duncan_fan]

Keeps us from squeaking by in those games when Forbes is literally the only guy with enough chutzpah to take and make a three. Now there is no one to do that and we can take even more Ls and improve our draft chances. I like it.

Sucks that this made us into even softer fraidycat bitches on offense, but it's better in the long run.

Forbes played when he played because all the other guys besides Dejounte are pussies about taking shots that matter. At least Forbes was willing to try.

[JeffDuncan]

Forbes is gone. That alone makes it a success story.

Juancho was a first round pick in 2016, drafted fifteenth, by the Nuggets. He’s a forward, listed at 6’9”. He’s Spanish, born in Madrid. Age 26. I don’t find any significant injury history. Looks like he should be good to go. I suppose Pop talked to Udoka about him. We’ll see if the Spurs find a use for him.

[Slippy]

Wont have to see that cock head face and his mannerisms again.

Best win of the season that's been full of losses.

More mins for Lonnie And Josh . Cant complain at all.

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Hey, no one hated the Forbes signing more than me. Right down there with my least favorite Spurs of all time.

The Spurs front office stumbling drunkenly into slight correction is better than watching Forbes the rest of the season

Wish I could take that leap with you bro, but it's still a pile of blah.

[mexicanjunior]

Meh...both players and the pick are trash...whatevs...

[spurraider21]

I don’t give a fuck about the guy we got. Ridding Forbes and just giving all his minutes to Primo is enough of a win

[Barfunk]

I think Forbes got more shit than he deserved on this forum, but I don't know BBALL like most of you here. I'm just a dude....

[RC_Drunkford]

Hernangomez is not as bad as people think. Small sample size, but he averaged 12 and 7 in 30 min for the T‘wolves last season. He‘s definitely better than Eubanks and better than KBD offensively. Spurs could also re-route him to another team that wants to clear cap space

[Barfunk]

I don’t give a fuck about the guy we got. Ridding Forbes and just giving all his minutes to Primo is enough of a win

Hopefully this at least.

[Dejounte]

I don’t think people realize it but Primo has been taking minutes from Lonnie already

IMO, by season’s end:

Murray/ Tre
White/ Primo/ Lonnie
Keldon/ Vassell/ Wieskamp
McDermott/ Collins/ KBD/ Cacok
Poeltl/ Landale/ Eubanks

If Collins is really stuck playing the 5 only, then Eubanks is a goner this offseason (or by the trade deadline, if we’re lucky)

Collins being an alternative option to Landale as the backup 5 opens up the 4 spot after this season for a developmental pipeline prospect to compete for minutes with KBD next season

Upon looking at that rotation, it wouldn’t hurt to add another tall combo guard/wing to the mix to take minutes from Tre for a more reliable backup who can shoot 3’s

[poopbox]

Getting Forbes off this AND getting any pick at all for it is an act of god...

Keep collecting those picks and keep marching toward that tank boys:lobt2:

[Rocalcio]

Juancho wasn’t that bad when he had some playing time in Minny. Of course that was just a 14 games stretch but we’re talking about a trade involving Forbes.

[gambit1990]

this is a w.

poeltl trade coming next.

[Robz4000]

:danceclub:danceclub

[Robz4000]

Best Spurs moment since Manu’s dunk on Bosh


As long as he doesn't come back again (knocks on wood)...

[Robz4000]

Spurs targeting the most Hispanic name in the league naturally :lol

Would much rather have gotten a 2nd Round Pick at least tbh. Glad he’s gone though. Denver can use him and this frees up minutes for Primo. Win-win.

Hernangomez is averaging 1 point, 1 rebound, & 0 assists this season.
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:wow congrats on joining the Spurs LkrFan

[slick'81]

Finally the bryn forbes era is doa

[Cabrito]

The Spurs traded Boris Diaw to Utah in 2016 in a salary dump for our 2nd round pick in 2022. That appeared to be a throw away pick, yet here we are and it’s a decent 2nd round pick that we don’t have. Forbes netting any future pick, no matter how far away, is a nice surprise. How many more second round picks do we need this upcoming draft anyway?

[LkrFan]

:wow congrats on joining the Spurs LkrFan (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18824)

¡Es un sueño hecho realidad para mí! :cry

[Chinook]

Yeah, it's violently dumb for anyone trying to laugh at the Spurs for this deal. They got a second and didn't have to waive anyone on the roster to get it. Now they can shop JH's contract to take up to $12 Million in returning salary, which might be worth it enough for a team to give up another second for an expiring or even a first if they can clear the entire salary. I'd rather the Spurs just release JH after the deadline though. I don't want there to be any possibility of them keeping him on the roster past his guarantee date, and the Spurs could use the open spot much more creatively.

That the team is willing to deal a win-now player who had a role on the team means they're probably intent on dealing Young and maybe Eubanks if they can find the right deal. I think what the Spurs were waiting for were Jones to recover and for Denver to find a team to take back a two contracts while only sending one. By getting a guy the Spurs should be willing to waive back, the Spurs can now take back multiple contracts for Young if need be, which opens up deals involving him.

[exstatic]

Thats why I said it was amazing that we got worse **AFTER** trading him away.

And let's look at this with a rational eye. Anyone know the stats on 2nd rounders turning into rotational players in the league? Less than 20% of NBA players currently in the League are 2nd round picks. Of those, only about 5-10% make any sort of All-NBA team.

Point is there are only so many Ginobilis. And the odds are low, VERY LOW that this pick 6 yrs down the road, ever turns into a player that makes it to the league, let alone stays there. Thats how you know that trading Forbes for Juancho and a SRP was a failure.

Sometimes youre better off just keeping what you have, or NEVER signing him in the first place so we maybe, just maybe could have kept our FRP at the 19th selection just 3 yrs ago, you know?

Forbes isn’t the reason Sammich is gone, Sammich is.

[duncan2150]

Complaining about this deal is crazy.

A 2nd round and an expiring for Forbes is the max you can have, plus the fact that you remove a player that take nearly 20 minutes and 8 shot per game to the youth.

Pretty perfect for me

[TimDunkem]

No Forbes 3s so the tank is still on while giving younger guys playing time. Getting Forbes off the team is a huge win overall. Great fucking news...

[Dex]

Never thought I’d see the day people bitch about what we got from trading Forbes away, but here we are.

100%. Goes to show that some people just like to bitch about the FO however they can.

Obviously, the signing was questionable in the first place, but that damage was already done. At least they got a 2nd round pick out of the deal.

Time will tell if Hernangomez even sniffs the floor especially with Collins set to come back.

The biggest takeaway from this...Spurs want to give Primo more minutes, and that should make everyone happy.

[TheChillFactor]

can we combine Juancho's deal with someone else, or do we have to wait 60 days?

(Which would obv be past the trade deadline)

[Dex]

One other thing to note...I know we all bitch about Forbes around here and is defense is spectacularly awful, but he was a good soldier and his shooting actually kept us in some games when nobody else could buy a bucket.

I'm hyped to see Primo play, but I don't think he's at a level to really move the needle yet, so this move may signal that the tank is legitimately on.

[FutureMan]

can we combine Juancho's deal with someone else, or do we have to wait 60 days?

(Which would obv be past the trade deadline)


I was wondering the same thing. I was also curious if anyone saw if the Denver 2nd comes with any protections too

[NASpurs]

One other thing to note...I know we all bitch about Forbes around here and is defense is spectacularly awful, but he was a good soldier and his shooting actually kept us in some games when nobody else could buy a bucket.

I'm hyped to see Primo play, but I don't think he's at a level to really move the needle yet, so this move may signal that the tank is legitimately on.

Forbes is gone and we might end up with a top 5 pick?

Everything is coming up Milhouse!

[exstatic]

Now do Lonnie.

[NASpurs]

Yeah I wouldn't mind trading Lonnie and White tbh.

[Dverde]

As long as he doesn't come back again (knocks on wood)...

I wouldn’t be shocked if he came back after he’s done playing. Pop seems to love the kid. I could see him being a coach in the future.

[superbigtime]

Would rather kept Forbes. Wtf

[rjv]

Where are all the people who said a) Forbes wouldn't be traded cause no one would want him, b) Pop won't trade Forbes, and C) the Spurs won't make a trade.

Special S/O if you're one of the few triple threats who managed to fall in all three categories.

probably the same posters who are bitching that all we got in return was hernangomez.

[r0drig0lac]

Thanks GOD

[Ocotillo]

Now that the anti-sniffers favorite whipping boy is gone, who does the pack descend upon? Hernangomez? Eubanks? Lonnie?

[John B]

The last time Spurs traded Pop’s favorite, they fielded the rights to draft Kawhi. I think there’s more to come.

[exstatic]

The last time Spurs traded Pop’s favorite, they fielded the rights to draft Kawhi. I think there’s more to come.

Oh, yeah. This is only the first domino. JHG rights may be flipped for a larger ending contract and pick before the deadline, as another poster proposed. That might give another team tax relief.

[rjv]

lonnie might not get traded but at least there's a chance he gets offered this summer and is gone via free agency. as to hernangomez, looks like he's due for just over $6.6 mil next season. forbes would have been a FA this summer so not sure what the spurs are thinking here so hopefully the speculation mentioned above turns out to come true.

[exstatic]

lonnie might not get traded but at least there's a chance he gets offered this summer and is gone via free agency. as to hernangomez, looks like he's due for just over $6.6 mil next season. forbes would have been a FA this summer so not sure what the spurs are thinking here so hopefully the speculation mentioned above turns out to come true.

JHG's contract for next year is 100% unguaranteed. They'll cut him, and it should be thought of as expiring.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Anyone here can post Hollinger's take - https://theathletic.com/3079721/2022/01/19/hollinger-three-team-trade-helps-celtics-and-spurs-but-nuggets-belief-is-the-big-story/ ?

[rjv]

JHG's contract for next year is 100% unguaranteed. They'll cut him, and it should be thought of as expiring.

:tu

[Dex]

Now that the anti-sniffers favorite whipping boy is gone, who does the pack descend upon? Hernangomez? Eubanks? Lonnie?

Lonnie, for sure. He's had high expectations, and has really just been....meh.

I really want him to do well...but he only does well like 1 out of 5 games, so he needs to clean that up.

Nobody expects Eubanks to be good, and Juancho probably won't even see minutes unless we get ravaged by COVID again.

[MultiTroll]

What to expect from Bryn Forbes - Denver Stiffs (https://www.denverstiffs.com/2022/1/19/22890986/what-to-expect-from-bryn-forbes)

^ Actual headline. :lol

[NASpurs]

This team just needs another kiss from Rona to get a top 3 pick.

[MultiTroll]

Another high BBIQ sports jowrnalist:

"What NOT to expect from Forbes is elite defense though."
-Ryan Blackburn

[Chinook]

AND the Spurs got paid to cover the difference in salary. Overall, it was pretty fantastic by the Spurs. The only way this can go south is if they guarantee Hernangomez and end up waiving him like they did with Daye.

[CGD]

AND the Spurs got paid to cover the difference in salary. Overall, it was pretty fantastic by the Spurs. The only way this can go south is if they guarantee Hernangomez and end up waiving him like they did with Daye.

What are the rules on Hernangomez being rerouted before the deadline? Is it possible or is there a wait period that expires after the deadline?

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Now that the anti-sniffers favorite whipping boy is gone, who does the pack descend upon? Hernangomez? Eubanks? Lonnie?

D-White :smokin

[Darius Bieber]

Looks like the Second Round pick is protected

[exstatic]

Sauces?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Apparently Nuggets protected the 2028 2RP for 31-33, i.e. if they're horrible. Spurs also get $2.35 mil in cash.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-spurs-nuggets-make-three-team-trade-bryn-forbes-to-denver-headlines-multi-player-deal-per-report/

[Spursfanfromafar]

Twist in the tale? - https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1483841584428953611

[Leetonidas]

Sauces?

It's in a follow up tweet from Woj this morning. Protected from 31-33 it says :lol SA also gets 2.35 million in cash as well

[Leetonidas]

Twist in the tale? - https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1483841584428953611

:lol Bol Bol about to fuck up another trade

[Dex]

:lol Bol Bol about to fuck up another trade

They already know he is injured....dude just had foot surgery.

[Russ]

It's in a follow up tweet from Woj this morning. Protected from 31-33 it says :lol SA also gets 2.35 million in cash as well

Finally, this nothing deal makes a bit of sense.

A seond round draft pick?

In 2028?

Protected?

This is the 2022 equivalent of cab fare.

[Seventyniner]

Finally, this nothing deal makes a bit of sense.

A seond round draft pick?

In 2028?

Protected?

This is the 2022 equivalent of cab fare.

Protected 31-33 is almost no protection at all. Denver would have to finish as one of the three worst teams in the league for it not to convey. Not impossible, but not all that likely.

[bluebellmaniac]

Seriously what the fuck

next thing we know, people will cry about getting nothing for Eubanks (the worst Spur of all time) when he gets let go

Don't let Eubanks go for anything less than a FRP and a locket of Kobe's hair.

[Chinook]

Twist in the tale? - https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1483841584428953611

I wonder if Boston is trying to find a team to get them under the tax altogether. Like maybe OKC has a guy they'd route to SA for a second, cash and JH. Hopefully the Spurs don't wrap themselves up as buyers for a guy like Williams or Dort.

Another idea is that the Spurs want to use Forbes to aggregate, but that's less likely. JH is already a salary boost over Bryn, and matching rules basically let them take back three times Bryn's salary due to JH's contract. Unless Forbes is going to be part of a Thad Young-for-a-big-fish trade, I don't see it.

[slick'81]

Nobody really wanted bryn but a 2rp in 6 years sounds about right:lol

[Chomag]

FVCK! Oh wait...

[Mugen]

:lobt:

Now do Pop next tbh

[emanueldavidginobili]

Wow did not expect to wake up to this news. Thank god he's gone, what the fuck was the point of signing him the first place? At the end of the day what a relief and could careless what we got for him, more minutes for the young guys.

[emanueldavidginobili]

1483821545717788675

[Ocotillo]

The deal not being finalized, wouldn't that be the different teams doing their due diligence on physicals?

[objective]

It's possible Forbes is the hold-ups.

As a one year contract guy, doesn't that mean he has to consent to a trade or is my brain not working right?

[exstatic]

It's possible Forbes is the hold-ups.

As a one year contract guy, doesn't that mean he has to consent to a trade or is my brain not working right?

As a FA this summer,he’d be dumb to not want to be spoon fed open shot by Joker.

[rjv]

also, spurs don't strike me as an organization that wouldn't have already consulted with forbes on the trade.

[KingKev]

Yeah this trade is absolutely in Forbes best interest. One big playoff game off the bench will help secure him his next deal and he is more than capable of going off on a whim.

[rudwick]

We stacked!

[TD 21]

He's Eubanks 2.0 man. He'll play the 4 and 5 depending on spacing and rotation. Sometimes Pop plays both Landale and Eubanks. You tell me who is the 4 and who is the 5...speaking of "positional designation."

He couldn't be more different than Eubanks and the latter can't credibly play the four. They only played him some alongside Landale in an emergency situation basically.

[KingKev]

Trade is OFFICIAL

[MultiTroll]

also, spurs don't strike me as an organization that wouldn't have already consulted with forbes on the trade.
gee you mean based on all the other extreme ass kissing they have done for Forbes?

[Spurs Homer]

Nice!

Juancho
Pancho

or

Sancho

wgaf!

forbes gone- primo and others = more minutes!

win-win

[Das Texan]

Glad to see McDonald and Monroe were all on top of this happening. We are so blessed to have these guys as our beat writers!

[duncan2150]

Nuggets pick is protected 31-33 plus the Spurs received 2.35 millions in cash.

[duncan2150]

It's in a follow up tweet from Woj this morning. Protected from 31-33 it says :lol SA also gets 2.35 million in cash as well


I don't see that

another source

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-trade-Bryn-Forbes-16789147.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20 (Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

[Sugus]

Where are all the people who said a) Forbes wouldn't be traded cause no one would want him, b) Pop won't trade Forbes, and C) the Spurs won't make a trade.

Special S/O if you're one of the few triple threats who managed to fall in all three categories.

SpursTalk and eating shit being consistently wrong, name a better duo.

You forgot a 4th group, the "damn the FO is shit, didn't even get a second rounder for Forbes (who's fucking trash and not worth a single dollar)?!?" only to then find out we actually did get a pick back :lol talk about a Bingo

[Leetonidas]

I don't see that

another source

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-trade-Bryn-Forbes-16789147.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20 (Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

1483821545717788675

[Robz4000]

SpursTalk and eating shit being consistently wrong, name a better duo.

You forgot a 4th group, the "damn the FO is shit, didn't even get a second rounder for Forbes (who's fucking trash and not worth a single dollar)?!?" only to then find out we actually did get a pick back :lol talk about a Bingo

I'm absolutely shocked the Spurs got an asset for Forms. Either Denver didn't do their homework or they're desperate.

[Mr. Body]

I'm absolutely shocked the Spurs got an asset for Forms. Either Denver didn't do their homework or they're desperate.

Or you're wrong.

But no, I'm sure the dirty neckbeards on the worst sports forum in the country are right about this one.

[Sugus]

:danceclub:danceclub

To the Moon, Robz, today we celebrate!!!

RIP the Fvck! meme, 2021-2022 :music

[Robz4000]

Or you're wrong.

But no, I'm sure the dirty neckbeards on the worst sports forum in the country are right about this one.

:lol do you literally post anything else other than disparaging remarks? Those "dirty neckbeards on the worst sports forum in the country" bring more to the table than you. Let that sink in.

[Sugus]

I'm absolutely shocked the Spurs got an asset for Forms. Either Denver didn't do their homework or they're desperate.

I disagree with Mr Body here - you're right. The Nuggets are desperate as can be. No MPJ, no Murray, and yet Jokic's excellence as a one-man army prevents them from punting out the year like the Warriors did when they "tanked" for Kuminga. Any kind of shooting is welcome, especially inexpensive one, and they don't care much about defense as-is, so Forbes is kind of a perfect match for them.

[exstatic]

I'm absolutely shocked the Spurs got an asset for Forms. Either Denver didn't do their homework or they're desperate.

Denver is desperate. They’re close to slipping out of the playoffs, after being preseason conference heavyweights. Both Murray and Porter are out, but should return sometime after the ASG. They need shooting.

[SayTown]

Forbes must of asked for a trade for Pop to trade Forbes. Forbes obviously doesn't' care about winning very much or he wouldn't of signed with the Spurs in the offseason, what he wants is minutes. Forbes must of thought he was going to be a starter playing 30 minutes a game but Pop is trying to get to 26 wins so he knew better than to play Forbes big minutes this season.

[jjspur]

The way I see it:
Forbes is gone. It opens up minutes for another guard - win !
Forbes is gone. We got a second round pick...Forbes could be out of the league in 6 years but we'll still have that pick to keep or trade - win !
Forbes is gone. We got 2 million plus for a player who was undrafted - win !
Forbes is gone. No more bitching about his ultra poor defense - win!
We got a player back, but like Forbes he probably wasn't going to be back next season - win !
The way I see it, It was an ugly win but still a win.

[KingKev]

Or you're wrong.

But no, I'm sure the dirty neckbeards on the worst sports forum in the country are right about this one.

Can you, for once just offer an opinion about basketball?

[spurraider21]

Memorial Day Miracle

Twin Towers ring

Duncan making Kobe cry in 03

Horry game 5 vs Pistons

Horry hipcheck

Manu dunk on Bosh in game 7

Bryn Forbes getting traded

[Robz4000]

Memorial Day Miracle

Twin Towers ring

Duncan making Kobe cry in 03

Horry game 5 vs Pistons

Horry hipcheck

Manu dunk on Bosh in game 7

Bryn Forbes getting traded

Forgot Forms leaving the first time tbh.

[Chomag]

I'm satisfied that I can start watching Spurs games again

[Russ]

I'm absolutely shocked the Spurs got an asset for Forms. Either Denver didn't do their homework or they're desperate.

Sorry to break it to you, but there's one other possibility . . .

[ZeusWillJudge]

A protected second round pick, in 6 years.

https://imgur.com/JcPoAT3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWcRqPesws


https://tenor.com/view/caddyshack-bill-murray-carl-spackler-so-i-got-that-going-for-me-which-is-nice-gif-5066332
https://tenor.com/view/caddyshack-bill-murray-carl-spackler-so-i-got-that-going-for-me-which-is-nice-gif-5066332

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SpursTalk and eating shit being consistently wrong, name a better duo.

You forgot a 4th group, the "damn the FO is shit, didn't even get a second rounder for Forbes (who's fucking trash and not worth a single dollar)?!?" only to then find out we actually did get a pick back :lol talk about a Bingo

what about group 5? Which is defined as, Why the fuck are we celebrating a SRP 6 yrs down the road, and a player who is most likely washed that actually raises our salary a bit, FOR a player we all agree should never have been brought back to begin with.

I'm in that group, and I chuckle at all the folks telling me we came our of that with the positive of nothing else only to be Primo is gonna get more PT. Then to have pop dash their hopes IMMEDIATELY today by saying that Primo was gonna stay in the G league cause he needs the work. But evidently, Weiskamp doesn't. it's comical and I'm evidently the only one that gets the joke while you clap.like seals.

[tbdog]

what about group 5? Which is defined as, Why the fuck are we celebrating a SRP 6 yrs down the road, and a player who is most likely washed that actually raises our salary a bit, FOR a player we all agree should never have been brought back to begin with.

I'm in that group, and I chuckle at all the folks telling me we came our of that with the positive of nothing else only to be Primo is gonna get more PT. Then to have pop dash their hopes IMMEDIATELY today by saying that Primo was gonna stay in the G league cause he needs the work. But evidently, Weiskamp doesn't. it's comical and I'm evidently the only one that gets the joke while you clap.like seals.

It's a minor asset for a minor asset that ST think is a net negative for a rebuilding team. So it's a win. As for the player spurs getting back. Likely a waiver candidate to make room for 2 for 1 in a young trade.

[exstatic]

Forbes must of asked for a trade for Pop to trade Forbes. Forbes obviously doesn't' care about winning very much or he wouldn't of signed with the Spurs in the offseason, what he wants is minutes. Forbes must of thought he was going to be a starter playing 30 minutes a game but Pop is trying to get to 26 wins so he knew better than to play Forbes big minutes this season.

Forbes had an option ($2.5M) with Milwaukee that he declined. When he wasn’t getting offers, he and the Spurs agreed on a one year deal, so he could have some control over where he went. He was already traded when he signed, we just had to wait to see where.

[exstatic]

A protected second round pick, in 6 years.


In 2016, when it became clear that Duncan was done, we salary dumped Diaw to Utah, with a second rounder attached. Six years, and several trades later, Cleveland owns that pick, which is in the mid 30s. Far down the road isn’t automatically bad. As for the protection, 31-33 is about as lightly protected as you can have without actually being unprotected. NBD.

[Teamduncan21]

what about group 5? Which is defined as, Why the fuck are we celebrating a SRP 6 yrs down the road, and a player who is most likely washed that actually raises our salary a bit, FOR a player we all agree should never have been brought back to begin with.

I'm in that group, and I chuckle at all the folks telling me we came our of that with the positive of nothing else only to be Primo is gonna get more PT. Then to have pop dash their hopes IMMEDIATELY today by saying that Primo was gonna stay in the G league cause he needs the work. But evidently, Weiskamp doesn't. it's comical and I'm evidently the only one that gets the joke while you clap.like seals.

Because signing Forbes is a sunk cost already. And fixing that error while getting something. Anything. Is a good thing.

Maybe we shouldn't have signed and kept Luka or aminu etc. But we already did. So no point crying about that. But getting anything for him is still worth to be happy about

[Dex]

So I've seen reported that it's protected from 31-33....so that protection is pretty minimal and the Nuggets would have to be total garbage to be in that range.

That said, if the protection does occur, does the pick convey to 2029?

[exstatic]

So I've seen reported that it's protected from 31-33....so that protection is pretty minimal and the Nuggets would have to be total garbage to be in that range.

That said, if the protection does occur, does the pick convey to 2029?

Most of the time, if the protection on a SRP is met, the pick just doesn’t convey. To be fair, many times the pick is a technicality to meet the CBA requirements of assets going both ways, and it will be like 31-55, with the pick never meant to convey. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pick protection for a SRP include rolling into a later SRP.

[Biggems]

Juancho "Villa" Hernangomez is the most awesome fucking name in the History of the Spurs.....surpassing Manu Ginobili, Zarko Paspaj, Kurt Nimphius (my favorite name), and Terry Cummings (the preacher with the porn star name)

[Dex]

Most of the time, if the protection on a SRP is met, the pick just doesn’t convey. To be fair, many times the pick is a technicality to meet the CBA requirements of assets going both ways, and it will be like 31-55, with the pick never meant to convey. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pick protection for a SRP include rolling into a later SRP.

Makes sense, thanks ex.

[Dex]

Juancho "Villa" Hernangomez is the most awesome fucking name in the History of the Spurs.....surpassing Manu Ginobili, Zarko Paspaj, Kurt Nimphius (my favorite name), and Terry Cummings (the preacher with the porn star name)

You have obviously forgotten about Frank Brickowski.

[Biggems]

My opinion of the trade is this, whatever. I am glad we are done with Forbes. He was ok offensively, too inconsistent. However, I am a defense first guy, and he played less D than the fans in the stands. No one here liked him, wanted him benched or gone, and now he is gone. PATFO rid us of him, but you people are still whining and bitching. You act like he was complete dog shit one minute, then except a T-Bone steak in return. You cannot have it both ways. If you feel he is bologna, and all you get in return is bologna, then stop your bitching.

BTW, Forbes leaves, and we wipe the floor with OKC. Two gifts in a row.

Now we need to find a way to move on from Young and possibly White. I like White, but he is made of glass and moving him gives us more room for Jones and Primo, who both have more upside, IMO.

[Biggems]

You have obviously forgotten about Frank Brickowski.

shit, thank you my good man.

I loved Brick, he was our muscle, back when the NBA was a man's sport. He was the one Spur I didn't want to tussle with.....I mean I was just a kid but still.

[Fusternino]

Didn't this guy or his brother used to roast us all the time?

Anyways, nice trade. Of course I'd wish we'd simply kept Aminu or Samanic over signing Forbes to begin with. Eubanks and Young also on the way out, then?

[KingKev]

You have obviously forgotten about Frank Brickowski.

Cherokee Parks in the building.

[TimDunkem]

Cherokee Parks in the building.
Dwayne Schintzius

[JeffDuncan]

Didn't this guy or his brother used to roast us all the time?



On 12/26/2018 Juancho scored 27 pts versus the Spurs, with 13 rebounds, and he hit 6 of 7 from 3pt range. (Fortunately, Jokic played like crap in that game - too much Xmas turkey? - and the Spurs won.) Otherwise I don’t think Juancho ever did much against us, but he had a heluva game that one time.

[gospursgojas]

My opinion of the trade is this, whatever. I am glad we are done with Forbes. He was ok offensively, too inconsistent. However, I am a defense first guy, and he played less D than the fans in the stands. No one here liked him, wanted him benched or gone, and now he is gone. PATFO rid us of him, but you people are still whining and bitching. You act like he was complete dog shit one minute, then except a T-Bone steak in return. You cannot have it both ways. If you feel he is bologna, and all you get in return is bologna, then stop your bitching.

BTW, Forbes leaves, and we wipe the floor with OKC. Two gifts in a row.

Now we need to find a way to move on from Young and possibly White. I like White, but he is made of glass and moving him gives us more room for Jones and Primo, who both have more upside, IMO.


I agree white is a China doll, but cmon…Tre will never be as good as White.

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Most of the time, if the protection on a SRP is met, the pick just doesn’t convey. To be fair, many times the pick is a technicality to meet the CBA requirements of assets going both ways, and it will be like 31-55, with the pick never meant to convey. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pick protection for a SRP include rolling into a later SRP.

Interesting. So we took a bit more extra payroll for a player unlikely to get meaningful minutes, guaranteed Juancho's salary for next year too reportedly (heard somewhere), to get rid of Bryn, all for a historically meaningless pick that's unlikely to convey anyway.

Someone tell me again, why did we re-sign Bryn? Or am I not allowed to question that?

[KingKev]

Interesting. So we took a bit more extra payroll for a player unlikely to get meaningful minutes, guaranteed Juancho's salary for next year too reportedly (heard somewhere), to get rid of Bryn, all for a historically meaningless pick that's unlikely to convey anyway.

Someone tell me again, why did we re-sign Bryn? Or am I not allowed to question that?

Juan is non guaranteed next season. We have till June 30th to pickup his ~7mm option. We also received 2.35mm in cash. Juan’s 2021-22 salary is ~7mm, Bryn’s is 4.5mm. 7-4.5=2.5. 2.5/2=1.25 as we are half way into the season. We received 2.35mm in cash. Stay with me slowmo. We pay half of Juan’s 2021-22 salary: 7/2=3.5. We save half of Bryn’s 2021-22 salary 4.5/2=2.25. What does -3.5+2.25+2.35=? Get your calculator out champ. I’ll proofread your work in the DM if need be.

Additionally, the protection is limited such that it convey’s so long as it’s not 31-33 meaning as long as the Nuggets ARE NOT a bottom 3 team we get the pick.

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I agree white is a China doll, but cmon…Tre will never be as good as White.

We have the opposite of Forbes in Tre all defense but can’t hit a 3 ball for his life

[R. DeMurre]

Anyone here can post Hollinger's take - https://theathletic.com/3079721/2022/01/19/hollinger-three-team-trade-helps-celtics-and-spurs-but-nuggets-belief-is-the-big-story/ ?

We have a trade!


The deadline is still three weeks away, but Boston, San Antonio and Denver struck a three-team deal in the wee hours of Wednesday morning. The terms will send Juancho Hernangomez from Boston to San Antonio, Bryn Forbes from San Antonio to Denver and Bol Bol and P.J. Dozier from Denver to Boston. Denver’s 2028 second-round pick also goes to San Antonio.


(Some minor late-breaking details, according to this report: San Antonio will receive $2.35 million cash, with $2.15 million of that from Boston and $200,000 from Denver. The pick from Denver is protected 31-33).


The biggest story here isn’t the trade itself but what it represents in the big picture: a belief by the Denver Nuggets that they can be healthy enough by the 2022 playoffs to contend for something important, even in a loaded West, and thus that it’s worth throwing assets at this season despite a 22-20 record.


We’ll go deeper into that discussion in a minute, but let’s start with the low-hanging fruit first. A rebuilding Spurs team with eleventy-seven shooting guards parlayed the one-year deal Forbes signed this offseason into a 2028 second-round pick. It’s hard to see how that one turns out badly for San Antonio. In fact, this is the one way signing veterans can work out really well for a rebuilding team — if they can be rolled into draft picks at midseason.


The Spurs also get Hernangomez in the deal, who has hardly played this year and presumably will be waived in the offseason, if not sooner (his $7.5 million for next season is non-guaranteed). San Antonio is still miles below the luxury-tax line and only added $1 million in payroll cash-wise, so think of this as buying a draft pick incredibly cheaply. With four recently drafted shooting guards (Derrick White, Lonnie Walker, Devin Vassell and Josh Primo) vying for playing time, it was also imperative that the Spurs get Forbes out of their way.


Note that the Spurs could also buy out Hernangomez and opt to sign 41st pick Joe Weiskamp, currently on a two-way, to a roster contract. As for Juancho, he might have better offers in Spain than he does stateside at this point; it will be interesting to see where his career pivots.


From Boston’s perspective, it’s equally difficult to see how this works out badly. Boston turned a $7 million contract into two contracts that combine for $4.5 million and didn’t have to give up any draft picks to do it. It “only” cost them $2.15 million cash, which is chump change compared to what they’ll save by avoiding the luxury tax.


That money matters for the Celtics because the deal puts them very close to getting out of the luxury tax. On paper, Boston is $2.7 million into the tax following this trade, but that figure includes $1.9 million in incentives for Jaylen Brown that seem unlikely to come to fruition. The Celtics could get out of the tax entirely by paying a team cash to take Bruno Fernando (or Bol), which would have the added benefit of entitling them to the roughly $10 million per team payout expected this year for every club beneath the tax line. (This number is much bigger than usual in 2021-22 due to the extreme largesse of the Warriors, Nets and Clippers.)


The drawback is that both the players they received are out for the season and will be free agents in the summer. Dozier, who tore his ACL in Denver, is interesting enough that they may want to re-sign him with Bird rights. Bol had surgery on his foot after failing a physical in a rescinded trade to Detroit earlier this month. Thus, the key negative is that Boston will be carrying two dead roster spots for much of the season, which could impede its ability to add depth if injuries hit. Boston can eventually waive Bol and clear a roster spot to sign a player once it knows it’s cleared the tax, but that probably doesn’t happen untill March or April.


Finally, Boston also can churn its existing small trade exception for Kemba Walker into a $7 million one for Hernangomez, since the two salaries Boston received are small enough to fit into Walker’s exception. Overall, it’s a nice bit of salary-cap sorcery by the Celts; normally teams in the tax have to pay a premium in cash or second-round picks to cut $2.8 million in salary like this.


This takes us to the most important part of the deal: Denver’s. The Nuggets’ end of the trade is the only one that might matter, with a capital m, as Forbes’ piece is the only part of this deal with postseason implications.


Denver currently stands sixth in the West and expects to have Jamal Murray (and possibly Michael Porter Jr.) back for the stretch run. Don’t let that 22-20 record fool you: A fully loaded Nuggets team looks fearsome.


The problem in Denver this season has been woeful depth, something magnified by an uncommon series of injuries. Forbes isn’t some huge star, but he immediately upgrades sub-replacement-level minutes that the Nuggets were getting off the bench.


(One quibble would be that Forbes is only 6-2 and the Nuggets are already knee-deep in small guards. In addition to the 6-3 Murray, they have 5-10 Facundo Campazzo, 6-2 Monte Morris, 6-4 Austin Rivers and 6-2 Bones Hyland.)


However, Forbes does fill a specific niche as a spot-up shooter. Denver is only 18th in 3-point shooting this season despite generating a lot of wide-open looks courtesy of the most brilliant passing big man you’ve ever seen; Forbes is a 41.3 percent career 3-point shooter and immediately becomes far and away the best perimeter threat on Denver’s roster (at least until Porter returns).


Because of that, Forbes seems likely to supplant the struggling Rivers and the rookie Hyland in Denver’s backcourt rotation; he pencils in as the backup two in a nine-man playoff rotation.


In the Nuggets’ case, Forbes’ $4.5 million salary also works out extremely conveniently, as it is basically a neutral trade cap-wise (Bol and Dozier combined to make $4.1 million). The Nuggets were close enough to the luxury-tax line that they’re sweating every dollar; Denver is $969,474 away from the line on paper, but unlikely incentives for JaMychal Green, Jeff Green, Aaron Gordon and Will Barton could still push them over. (The Nuggets would have to make a deep playoff run for these to be a factor, but still.)


The Nuggets likely desperately want to stay below the tax line this year, not only for the payout noted above but also because they are near-certain to be a tax team each of the next three seasons with max deals for Murray, Porter, a likely a supermax for Nikola Jokic and a rich extension for Gordon. Thus, avoiding the tax this year means they avoid the repeater tax in 2024-25. Denver, of course, can also gain some additional breathing room by sending out cash to another team to take the minimum deals of Rivers or Vlatko Cancar off its hands.


In the meantime, keep your eye on another move. Denver created an open roster spot with this trade, which means the long-rumored DeMarcus Cousins 10-day may be a lot closer to reality this morning. Inking him to two 10-days between now and the trade deadline is the one move the Nuggets certainly can afford.


Getting back to the big picture, there is one overarching question: Was it worth the cost of 2028 second-rounder to make this swap for a 40-game rental? It was an interesting choice, certainly, because it indicates the Nuggets have some level of belief in their playoff viability despite playing in the top-heavy Western Conference. I don’t see Forbes as any kind of ceiling-raiser, but he can help the Nuggets keep things afloat during what have been fairly disastrous second-unit minutes this season.


One can see how that might end up mattering in a playoff series where Murray and Porter are present at full strength, and the Nuggets have better information on this possibility than any of us. Thus, it’s very interesting that the Nuggets seem to believe enough in their potential return to throw assets at a 2022 playoff run.

[KingKev]

We have the opposite of Forbes in Tre all defense but can’t hit a 3 ball for his life

Tre can still run an offense and is decent at penetrating and getting his own shot.

[Spursfanfromafar]

We have a trade!


The deadline is still three weeks away...

Thanks a million!

[Seventyniner]

You'd think that if the Nuggets really are trying to go all in here, they would be more willing to trade a near-term second (2022 or 2023) than one in 2028 that only has light protection and might convey when the Nuggets are trying to rebuild. Jokic will be 33 by then, not ancient but probably starting down the downslope.

[exstatic]

You'd think that if the Nuggets really are trying to go all in here, they would be more willing to trade a near-term second (2022 or 2023) than one in 2028 that only has light protection and might convey when the Nuggets are trying to rebuild. Jokic will be 33 by then, not ancient but probably starting down the downslope.

Maybe the pick was SAs call, not Denver’s.

[KingKev]

You'd think that if the Nuggets really are trying to go all in here, they would be more willing to trade a near-term second (2022 or 2023) than one in 2028 that only has light protection and might convey when the Nuggets are trying to rebuild. Jokic will be 33 by then, not ancient but probably starting down the downslope.

There is already an option on all SRPs till 2028 so this was the first SRP they could move unless we were adamant on their 2022 SRP which they own (a draft we have 3 decent picks in.) Also Jokic at 33, barring injury will still be an all NBA talent.

[R. DeMurre]

You'd think that if the Nuggets really are trying to go all in here, they would be more willing to trade a near-term second (2022 or 2023) than one in 2028 that only has light protection and might convey when the Nuggets are trying to rebuild. Jokic will be 33 by then, not ancient but probably starting down the downslope.


Maybe a case of Denver thinking they can strike gold a second time with another 2nd round pick. I can understand why they'd be all in with a guy like Jokic, and do everything in their power to get him some more help.

[talkspurs]

There is already an option on all SRPs till 2028 so this was the first SRP they could move unless we were adamant on their 2022 SRP which they own (a draft we have 3 decent picks in.) Also Jokic at 33, barring injury will still be an all NBA talent.

Even if he is will probably be starting his downward slope and who knows how porter and their Murray will be by then. They have already had a few injuries so could they be being downgraded and Jokic not able to handle as much of the load as he does now.

[Seventyniner]

There is already an option on all SRPs till 2028 so this was the first SRP they could move unless we were adamant on their 2022 SRP which they own (a draft we have 3 decent picks in.) Also Jokic at 33, barring injury will still be an all NBA talent.

Where did you get your info about Denver's future seconds? I looked at https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed and it says Denver only owed its 2023 and 2027 seconds prior to this week's trade.

I had forgotten to check that before I made my earlier post, but I thought that site was pretty reliable. It already has this week's trade info in it, for example.

I agree on Jokic. My point was that by then Denver might be transitioning away from a win-now mode, though I suppose they could go the other way and throw everything at the then-present before Jokic hits his late 30s. Who knows, 6 years is a long time in the NBA.

[KingKev]

Where did you get your info about Denver's future seconds? I looked at https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed and it says Denver only owed its 2023 and 2027 seconds prior to this week's trade.

I had forgotten to check that before I made my earlier post, but I thought that site was pretty reliable. It already has this week's trade info in it, for example.

I agree on Jokic. My point was that by then Denver might be transitioning away from a win-now mode, though I suppose they could go the other way and throw everything at the then-present before Jokic hits his late 30s. Who knows, 6 years is a long time in the NBA.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team

From what I see here every year has conditionality around their SRPs till 2028. My understaninf is you cannot trade a pick that already has conditions on it.

[Seventyniner]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team

From what I see here every year has conditionality around their SRPs till 2028. My understaninf is you cannot trade a pick that already has conditions on it.

Thanks. Your version is much cleaner, I'll bookmark it too.

I guess they could have done something complicated like give the Spurs their 2024 or 2025 second if it doesn't go to OC, and the 2028 otherwise. But just making it the 2028 pick is simpler, and the Spurs might very well have insisted on it rather than something sooner.

[talkspurs]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team

From what I see here every year has conditionality around their SRPs till 2028. My understaninf is you cannot trade a pick that already has conditions on it.

I beleive you can trade a pick that has conditions on it as long as it has opposite conditions. So Denver could trade their 2028 pic 31-33 still. but they could not make a pick trade that would be if not conveyed in 2027 would turn into a 2028 2nd rd pick 34-60.

[KingKev]

I beleive you can trade a pick that has conditions on it as long as it has opposite conditions. So Denver could trade their 2028 pic 31-33 still. but they could not make a pick trade that would be if not conveyed in 2027 would turn into a 2028 2nd rd pick 34-60.

That makes sense, thanks for this. I’m no strategist or capologist. I suspect the Spurs were happy to have what appears to be a sure 2028 SRP. Nothing to write home about, too far in the future to speculate on, but decent draft capital that cost virtually nothing in the scheme of things.

[talkspurs]

That makes sense, thanks for this. I’m no strategist or capologist. I suspect the Spurs were happy to have what appears to be a sure 2028 SRP. Nothing to write home about, too far in the future to speculate on, but decent draft capital that cost virtually nothing in the scheme of things.

it gets even more complicated if it is a 1st rd pick because of the Stepien rule.

[MultiTroll]

Like what, the Spurs were supposed to hold out for a better offer?

Get real!

[SayTown]

Forbes had an option ($2.5M) with Milwaukee that he declined. When he wasn’t getting offers, he and the Spurs agreed on a one year deal, so he could have some control over where he went. He was already traded when he signed, we just had to wait to see where.

So you're saying he didn't get any other offers besides the offer from the Spurs?

[KingKev]

Too bad we don’t play the Nuggets again this year. Will have to wait till next year for the Bryn Forbes tribute night. Unless we resign him in the offseason.

[Seventyniner]

Too bad we don’t play the Nuggets again this year. Will have to wait till next year for the Bryn Forbes tribute night. Until we resign him in the offseason.

Fixed.

[KingKev]

Fixed.

4yrs/50ms incoming.

[Seventyniner]

4yrs/50ms incoming.

If we can get a 2028 second for Forbes on a 1/4.5, we could get an unprotected first for him on a 4/50!

[KingKev]

If we can get a 2028 second for Forbes on a 1/4.5, we could get an unprotected first for him on a 4/50!

Lol more like we will have to surrender 2 unprotected firsts to offload that contract.

[Biggems]

I agree white is a China doll, but cmon…Tre will never be as good as White.

maybe not, but he will be a viable backup to Primo.....would you agree to that?

[Robz4000]

maybe not, but he will be a viable backup to Primo.....would you agree to that?

Jones is a PG while Primo will be a 2/3.

[MultiTroll]

McForbesbot picking up the slack from missing Bryn Bryn tonight vs Nets.

[ismael-robert]

Got 19min tonight n went 4 for 13

[MultiTroll]

Got 19min tonight n went 4 for 13
His last make came off his offensive rebound of a missed trey when no one GAF with 3 seconds left.
4 fouls to boot.

He's yours Denver. :clap