The Bocadillos de Calamares of Juan Alfredo "Juancho" Hernangomez Geuer

[ginobilized]

Welcome to San Antonio, Juancho!

Not sure how long you will be here. We can upgrade you from Octopus Sandwich to food trailer as your merits become visible.

[KingKev]

The bar better be pretty damn high to guarantee his contract for next year. Might be able to get a first for his expiring if we are willing to take on a salary in return.

[Dverde]

Today, I learned there are two Hermangomez in the NBA. I assumed it was the same guy.

[exstatic]

The bar better be pretty damn high to guarantee his contract for next year. Might be able to get a first for his expiring if we are willing to take on a salary in return.

Negative, ghost rider. Any multi year deals that teams want to move will still be there this summer, and you can sort out which is best. The ONLY thing you might do is to trade WHG for a more expensive player on an ending contract, plus a pick to enable a team to get under the tax this year. Otherwise you just waive him before 30 June.

[KingKev]

Negative, ghost rider. Any multi year deals that teams want to move will still be there this summer, and you can sort out which is best. The ONLY thing you might do is to trade WHG for a more expensive player on an ending contract, plus a pick to enable a team to get under the tax this year. Otherwise you just waive him before 30 June.


You don’t even know which brother we received Ex.

[KingKev]

Negative, ghost rider. Any multi year deals that teams want to move will still be there this summer, and you can sort out which is best. The ONLY thing you might do is to trade WHG for a more expensive player on an ending contract, plus a pick to enable a team to get under the tax this year. Otherwise you just waive him before 30 June.

Unless we are barred from trading him again before the deadline, a team looking for cap relief could trade a similar 2 yr contract for Juan (not Willy) and decline their team option on Juan (again not Willy) before June 30th. Free agency starts July 1st so we can’t sort that out in the offseason as you mentioned above.

[Spurs Homer]

I would have done some version of

Juancho el sancho

but its all good!

[exstatic]

You don’t even know which brother we received Ex.

Typed the wrong initials, but yes, I know it’s Juancho.

[exstatic]

Unless we are barred from trading him again before the deadline, a team looking for cap relief could trade a similar 2 yr contract for Juan (not Willy) and decline their team option on Juan (again not Willy) before June 30th. Free agency starts July 1st so we can’t sort that out in the offseason as you mentioned above.

I don’t think I’d take on a multi year, right now, unless it was for a FRP. we can probably pull another SRP for taking a larger ending contract, and still have options this summer. I’d rather not tie up our cap for next year until we explore FA and any and all salary dump options.

PHO is in bad tax shape, so we can probably pull a FRP to take Saric’s deal, AND he will be healthy and a serviceable player next year, AND maybe we can flip him at next season’s deadline to a contender, or a team needing tax relief.

You’ve got to think ahead and not close off your future options unless the deal is really favorable to you.

[KingKev]

I don’t think I’d take on a multi year, right now, unless it was for a FRP. we can probably pull another SRP for taking a larger ending contract, and still have options this summer. I’d rather not tie up our cap for next year until we explore FA and any and all salary dump options.

PHO is in bad tax shape, so we can probably pull a FRP to take Saric’s deal, AND he will be healthy and a serviceable player next year, AND maybe we can flip him at next season’s deadline to a contender, or a team needing tax relief.

You’ve got to think ahead and not close off your future options unless the deal is really favorable to you.

From my vantage point FRPs don’t trade hands like they used to, are in high demand, and especially sparse supply with multiple teams leveraging their future FRPs on suspect bets. My suggestion clearly stated an FRP yet, you still attempted to rebut. We don’t need Saric’s serviceability to make an FRP make sense and that will still be there regardless. If you are in a position to land FRPs now take them. That is me thinking ahead. We just ate 24mm in salary and gave up an MVP candidate for a 2025 protected first; hardly thinking ahead. We have 30mm cap space this summer with very moveable contracts to clear more cap space as required. We have 0 free agent targets.

JHG can’t clear cap space for another team this off-season because, as you know, we have to guarantee him on June 30th

[KingKev]

Typed the wrong initials, but yes, I know it’s Juancho.

Convenient but it happens.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

dirty juanchez

[8FOR!3]

I actually think he might surprise some of you with his athleticism. Not a bad shooter either. Family of basketball players so he's a natural. Hopefully he sticks around but it doesn't sound like he's going to.

[KingKev]

I actually think he might surprise some of you with his athleticism. Not a bad shooter either. Family of basketball players so he's a natural. Hopefully he sticks around but it doesn't sound like he's going to.

Him sticking around means us guaranteeing 7.5mm next season. Not chump change.

[John B]

If Zollins legs hold up, he’s gone. He’s a mobile big who can shoot though. Interesting

[Degoat]

What date does his contract become guaranteed? I think he could be a useful piece but that price is sorta high

[KingKev]

What date does his contract become guaranteed? I think he could be a useful piece but that price is sorta high

June 30th. Very high bar to have 7.5mm guaranteed.

[spurraider21]

one of my top 5 favorite spurs of all time already, because we dumped Forbes

[ace3g]

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Newly acquired F Juancho Hernangomez isn’t on the injury report, signaling he’ll be available when the Spurs host the Nets on Friday night.

[8FOR!3]

Him sticking around means us guaranteeing 7.5mm next season. Not chump change.

Right. I meant more so for the rest of the season. And then maybe we could always decline the option and talk about bringing him back? Not sure how all that would work.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/chase_shannon/status/1484618416954687489

[Dejounte]

He’s… here to stay? This guy has had more words spoken about him by Pop than he did for Marquese Chriss. From the getgo, Pop shut down any idea of Marquese playing for the Spurs. This is interesting…

[John B]

We don’t have a Spanish speaking, nor international, well besides Primo and Poeltl. So why not?

Is he available tonight?

[duncan2150]

He’s… here to stay? This guy has had more words spoken about him by Pop than he did for Marquese Chriss. From the getgo, Pop shut down any idea of Marquese playing for the Spurs. This is interesting…


I really think he got some talent, we'll see if he plays a little bit. He's still young, can shoot, got size... not saying he'll be part of the club in the future but he has a card to play.

[Seventyniner]

He’s… here to stay? This guy has had more words spoken about him by Pop than he did for Marquese Chriss. From the getgo, Pop shut down any idea of Marquese playing for the Spurs. This is interesting…

I don't see what the Spurs would lose by playing him some. If Pop likes what he sees, he might offer Juancho a medium sized contract, maybe 2/10?

Cutting him doesn't make much sense, and the team is thin at PF anyway. His stats at least look passable: half his shots are threes, he hits around 35% for his career, WS/48 is meh but not terrible. I haven't watched him so I don't know how his defense is.

[KingKev]

I don't see what the Spurs would lose by playing him some. If Pop likes what he sees, he might offer Juancho a medium sized contract, maybe 2/10?

Cutting him doesn't make much sense, and the team is thin at PF anyway.

Nothing to lose by giving him a shot but have to decide by June 30th to pick up his option and guarantee his 2022-23 salary of 7mm. I don’t know the rules around if we can cut him and resign him in. the offseason for less. I’m also getting fed up with all these deep end of the bench signings. Eubanks, Landale, KBD potentially Juancho the list goes on.

[Atl Spur]

7 mil is not even the mid level; the dude has a chance to restart his career. He seems skilled but maybe some good coaching does the trick:)

[KingKev]

7 mil is not even the mid level; the dude has a chance to restart his career. He seems skilled but maybe some good coaching does the trick:)

Problem is it’ll take him half the season to earn some minutes.

I’m very confident he will be waived before June 30th. That 14 game stretch in Minny is nice and all but pretty small sample size. 7mm isn’t alot I know but there is likely a much better use of the cap space. Getting pretty tired of these end of the bench singings and misuse of cap.

This year >50mm or ~45% of our cap space was used on the following players (compensation we received for it):

- Thad, 14mm (no contribution to team and buyout probable)
- Aminu, 10mm (bought out, fair to equate the 2 SRPs in the DDR trade to eating his salary)
- Carrol, 1.7mm (~20mm total bought out 2yrs prior for >90 cents on the dollar)
- Huthison, 4mm (waived, early 22 SRP for 4mm = fair return)
- Luka, 3mm (paying him to play elsewhere)
- Forbes, 4.5mm (far out SRP and optionality on Juanco = fair return)
- McDermott, 13.8mm (3yr/42mm was probably an overpayment, jury still out)

When Spurs fans talk about the great contracts our 3 best players are on: DJ (15mm), Jak (9mm) and to a lesser extent White (15.4mm) they should remember where those savings are going.

[CGD]

^ based on your list above, seems that outside of the Carrol blunder and Luka situation that the returns aren’t that terrible.

Another way to look at it, the space produced: 1 FRP and 4 SRP, with Thad situation TBD.

Also, wasnt there a favorable pick swap in the McDermott deal?

[CGD]

7 mil is not even the mid level; the dude has a chance to restart his career. He seems skilled but maybe some good coaching does the trick:)

I suspect there is a better chance than most here believe that he will stay on beyond this year, especially if Thad is bought out.

I personally like the idea of carrying an expiring 7M-10M for potential trade ballast next year. It’s a reason I don’t mind carrying Sarics deal in that hypothetical Thad trade either.

[KingKev]

^ based on your list above, seems that outside of the Carrol blunder and Luka situation that the returns aren’t that terrible.

Another way to look at it, the space produced: 1 FRP and 4 SRP, with Thad situation TBD.

Also, wasnt there a favorable pick swap in the McDermott deal?

2026 SRP swap with Indy. No real way to value this but in my eyes a below average return for 50mm in cap. I see the FRP as compensation for giving up DDR.

[KingKev]

I suspect there is a better chance than most here believe that he will stay on beyond this year, especially if Thad is bought out.

I personally like the idea of carrying an expiring 7M-10M for potential trade ballast next year. It’s a reason I don’t mind carrying Sarics deal in that hypothetical Thad trade either.

Agree on Saric but he is a much better player than Juan. Curious why you think Thad being bought out makes Juan more likely to be retained next year?

[CGD]

Agree on Saric but he is a much better player than Juan. Curious why you think Thad being bought out makes Juan more likely to be retained next year?

Maybe it’s a stretch, but if Thad gets bought out I can see them keeping their lone “traditional PF” next year whose gotten at least some run already with the guys. If/when free agent signing (or rookie) surpasses him, he can be moved or relegated to a better role.

(As an aside, I think the Keldon at PF thing has proven to be a failure this year).

[KingKev]

I don’t really see how Thad’s situation effects Juan’s likelihood of being retained as regardless of Thad being bought out, traded to finishing the season with us he won’t be back next year.

Keldon as a 4 has not been ideal and he needs to play the majority of time at the 3 in my
opinion. Poor roster construction and Pop’s fetish with small (poor 3pt shooting small ball nonetheless) the last 3 years has had guys playing out of position. Vassell is another who should be strictly a 2/3.

[Dverde]

He played for Ime Udoka in Boston. I imagine Pop asked for his feedback on him.

[John B]

He seems like a hustle guy, I think got an offensive rebound and tried to save a possession. Again his international background fits Spurs culture. We can never have enough mobile big who can shoot outside. With the way Spurs play defense, Pop can put another fresh legs in the 3rd, and keep the starting unit fresh to close the 4th.

[Fusternino]

I don’t really see how Thad’s situation effects Juan’s likelihood of being retained as regardless of Thad being bought out, traded to finishing the season with us he won’t be back next year.

Keldon as a 4 has not been ideal and he needs to play the majority of time at the 3 in my
opinion. Poor roster construction and Pop’s fetish with small (poor 3pt shooting small ball nonetheless) the last 3 years has had guys playing out of position. Vassell is another who should be strictly a 2/3.

Yeah, remember when we all thought the Parker/Mills back courts were too small? Good times. A lot of this team's problems revolve around Pop not realizing that the SF position is basically a "big guard" but for the PF position you need someone with the size and strength to play on the interior, at least 6'8". Seriously, if we simply played Thad at the 4, a lot of these problems go away.

[John B]

Yeah, remember when we all thought the Parker/Mills back courts were too small? Good times. A lot of this team's problems revolve around Pop not realizing that the SF position is basically a "big guard" but for the PF position you need someone with the size and strength to play on the interior, at least 6'8". Seriously, if we simply played Thad at the 4, a lot of these problems go away.

Thad has no lateral speed to chase mobile 4. Besides Thad was never meant to stay, but a trade piece that has not gotten through.

[exstatic]

He’s… here to stay? This guy has had more words spoken about him by Pop than he did for Marquese Chriss. From the getgo, Pop shut down any idea of Marquese playing for the Spurs. This is interesting…

Well, they cut Chriss immediately, so I’m not sure what there was to say about him. He had the rep as a dumbass, and he was injured. Totally different situation to JHG, who may stick for the year, or may be shipped out in another deal. Since he came alone from BOS, not in a group of players, he could be packaged and sent out before the deadline.

[KingKev]

Well, they cut Chriss immediately, so I’m not sure what there was to say about him. He had the rep as a dumbass, and he was injured. Totally different situation to JHG, who may stick for the year, or may be shipped out in another deal. Since he came alone from BOS, not in a group of players, he could be packaged and sent out before the deadline.

Believe it’s 60 days before he could be packaged from I've read so unfortunately he can’t be packaged before the deadline.

[KingKev]

No minutes for Juancho tonight against Philly. I understand he needs to learn the system but there is no chance this guy sticks.

[LakerHater]

I dont think the guy is stayin past this season

[exstatic]

Believe it’s 60 days before he could be packaged from I've read so unfortunately he can’t be packaged before the deadline.

I think that’s only when you’re traded from one team to another in a group of players to begin with. He arrived alone from Boston. Denver could hypothetically flip Forbes again, if they wanted, even with other players. Only Boston is limited in this deal since they received two players. If they weren’t injured, they could move both players individually, but not repackage them with other players.

[KingKev]

I think that’s only when you’re traded from one team to another in a group of players to begin with. He arrived alone from Boston. Denver could hypothetically flip Forbes again, if they wanted, even with other players. Only Boston is limited in this deal since they received two players. If they weren’t injured, they could move both players individually, but not repackage them with other players.

I’ve read multiple sources saying he can not be aggregated for 60 days unless that trade would clear without including him at that point he can be aggregated. Here are a few:

https://airalamo.com/posts/spurs-answering-5-burning-questions-about-forbes-hernangomez-trade-01fss96f6epj/amp/3#slideshow-top-bar

https://www.hoopsaddict.com/nba-trade-rules-explained/#Can_an_NBA_Team_Trade_a_Player_They_Just_Traded_F or

One of the main pundits who follow the Spurs said something similiar on twitter when the trade went down and I came across an article directly referencing the CBA regarding an Avery Bradley trade a few years back saying he could not be aggregated if traded again within 60 days.

[exstatic]

I’ve read multiple sources saying he can not be aggregated for 60 days unless that trade would clear without including him at that point he can be aggregated. Here are a few:

https://airalamo.com/posts/spurs-answering-5-burning-questions-about-forbes-hernangomez-trade-01fss96f6epj/amp/3#slideshow-top-bar

https://www.hoopsaddict.com/nba-trade-rules-explained/#Can_an_NBA_Team_Trade_a_Player_They_Just_Traded_F or

One of the main pundits who follow the Spurs said something similiar on twitter when the trade went down and I came across an article directly referencing the CBA regarding an Avery Bradley trade a few years back saying he could not be aggregated if traded again within 60 days.

Hmmm. OK.

[KingKev]

Hmmm. OK.

Can’t see too many scenarios where we’d need to aggregate with Thad but with Walker and/or Eubanks would have been nice.

As you can probably tell I’m pretty anxious for PATFO to show some savvy in the coming months. I’m obviously not privy to what goes on behind closed doors but they seem lackluster in this rebuild, almost as if they were forced to rebuild as none of the vets wanted to come back.

[exstatic]

Can’t see too many scenarios where we’d need to aggregate with Thad but with Walker and/or Eubanks would have been nice.

As you can probably tell I’m pretty anxious for PATFO to show some savvy in the coming months. I’m obviously not privy to what goes on behind closed doors but they seem lackluster in this rebuild, almost as if they were forced to rebuild as none of the vets wanted to come back.

I’m sure they’re working the phones. Most trades just happen on deadline day, especially if they involve value, and not finances. Front offices don’t want to rush, and miss a better trade that could have happened.

[KingKev]

I’m sure they’re working the phones. Most trades just happen on deadline day, especially if they involve value, and not finances. Front offices don’t want to rush, and miss a better trade that could have happened.

Agreed. The Bryn, even though minor trade was a great sign we’ve turned a corner in terms of commitment to the rebuild I think.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/SpursNationCP/status/1487969727917936643

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I think he looks alright. Moves well without the ball. Adds some size. Seems pretty heady out there.

[Atl Spur]

I’d like to see more.

[Dex]

The way people were talking about him here made it sound like he was a complete stiff.

Considering he just got traded here and has probably had zero time to practice with the team outside basic shootaround, I think he looks alright.

Still an end of the bench guy...doubt he breaks the regular rotation barring injury or COVID, but I wouldn't mind seeing more spare minutes thrown his way especially if it challenges Eubanks to stop sucking.

[JeffDuncan]

I think he looks alright. Moves well without the ball. Adds some size. Seems pretty heady out there.


Yes, I thought Juancho looked good. Did you notice, right after he first came in, he broke to the paint and was wide open, right in front of the basket? Of course the Spurs didn’t get the ball to him, darn it. I think he took both the Suns and the Spurs totally by surprise. Lol I agree he moved well. Good energy, good effort.

[BackHome]

One thing that stood out is his height he just looks so much taller then a lot of our SG/SF and his height is just 6'9 .

[KingKev]

One thing that stood out is his height he just looks so much taller then a lot of our SG and his height is just 6'8

Well Walker, DJ, White, Vassell and Keldon are all 6’4-6’5. Not sure Primo is measured with his fro so he could easily be 6’5 also.

[BackHome]

Has Primo grown since we drafted him - I know there was all this talk about his growth plates had not closed yet so he could possible get taller?

[KingKev]

Has Primo grown since we drafted him - I know there was all this talk about his growth plates had not closed yet so he could possible get taller?

He came in listed as 6’6 but NBA.com has him at 6’4 now. Pretty common these days to have inflated heights when they enter the draft. Well he just turned 19 so I’m sure there is a chance he has another 0.5-1. Still shouldn’t be playing at the 3 if he doesn’t have to.

[ismael-robert]

I’d like to see more.

This guy wants nudes already

[ismael-robert]

I think he looks alright. Moves well without the ball. Adds some size. Seems pretty heady out there.

Bend over n baseline bum will show u pretty heady

[ace3g]

Hernangomez is in an upcoming Netflix film with Adam Sandler called Hustle (1:26 mark)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTI6T5M8Fj0


Adam Sandler's upcoming film “Hustle” where Sandler plays a struggling scout who discovers an overseas player, portrayed by Juancho Hernangómez. The film's plot is as follows: “an American basketball scout is unjustly fired after discovering a once-in-a-lifetime player abroad.

[RC_Drunkford]

Hernangomez is in an upcoming Netflix film with Adam Sandler called Hustle (1:26 mark)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTI6T5M8Fj0

we got our 2nd All-Star :bobo

[TDomination]

we hardly knew ye

[SayTown]

Hernangomez is in an upcoming Netflix film with Adam Sandler called Hustle (1:26 mark)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTI6T5M8Fj0

Pop found out he was in a movie and had to trade him, he's not over himself yet and too much star power for the Spurs

[offset formation]

lol. I don't even understand their philosophy anymore.

One bench-riding vet for another 3 weeks apart. Is this the big trade deadline move for the Spurs? Juancho goes, Satoransky comes. Whoopity-do-da.

[couchman]

Favorite Hernangomez Spurs moment?

[MultiTroll]

Today, I learned there are two Hermangomez in the NBA. I assumed it was the same guy.
Trivia note:
Last night the Hernangomez brothers squared off in New Orleans.
Pelicans and Willy by far got the better of Juancho and the Jazz.
Willy 5-9 for 13/8
Juancho 0-1

Pels 124 Jazz 90

[John B]

Trivia note:
Last night the Hernangomez brothers squared off in New Orleans.
Pelicans and Willy by far got the better of Juancho and the Jazz.
Willy 5-9 for 13/8
Juancho 0-1

Pels 124 Jazz 90

I don’t even remember which brother Spurs had :lol

[slick'81]

I don’t even remember which brother Spurs had :lol

juamcho:lmao