Spurs Trade Rumor Thread (Spurs eyeing Collins, Osman? Fielding calls on Jak?)

[Dejounte]

Already a fun trade deadline

[KingKev]

Already a fun trade deadline

Yeah I bet the trade market gets liquid from here. Potentially two trading partners out of the way. Can’t wait till last call for alcohol to start making moves!

[RC_Drunkford]

Poeltl for Patrick Williams. Who says no?

[PhantomDashCam]

No real substance here but Hornets connection and fit undeniable…

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Poeltl for Plumlee, Washington and Future considerations perhaps?
Spurs get their ‘4’ and small ball ‘C’ while enhancing their tanking prospects…

May be too lopsided in favour of the Hornets…

[spurs1990]

No real substance here but Hornets connection and fit undeniable…

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Poeltl for Plumlee, Washington and Future considerations perhaps?
Spurs get their ‘4’ and small ball ‘C’ while enhancing their tanking prospects…

May be too lopsided in favour of the Hornets…

I saw Washington at Kentucky when he balled out in the 18 or 19 tourney. He looked like a real deal player and seems like a good Spurs culture fit. If he can play the 5 would love that swap

[RC_Drunkford]

If all these teams really want Poeltl there should be quite a bidding war going on

[John B]

What’s all these interests in Poeltl. Is Spurs saying he’s available? I mean I like Poeltl somewhat :lol, but if it’s to pave way for a tier 1 or close, hell yeah.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Poeltl for Patrick Williams. Who says no?

Chicago.

[Dejounte]

If ZCollins continues his stellar play, I could see a few scenarios play out:

1) Poeltl traded
Collins/ Landale/ Eubanks rotation

2) Eubanks traded/ waived
Poeltl/ Collins/ Landale

If it’s #1, then the Spurs are probably more cunning than anyone thought. It means they were thinking a few (or a lot of) steps ahead, and built Poeltl’s value to its peak before trading him while already having his replacements ready to go. I’m going to stick with #2 though. Will have to see it before I believe it— same approach I had with Forbes rumors.

[MannyIsGod]

Who the fuck is going to trade for eubanks

[Dejounte]

Who the fuck is going to trade for eubanks
Obviously he would be part of a bigger trade.

[Mr. Body]

I can't understand shopping Poeltl. Primarily because his cost is very low (he's in hand, he's cheap for production), meaning getting a player of Poeltl caliber is difficult at the same price points. The only thing I can guess is they figure he'll get much more expensive after next season.

[MannyIsGod]

I can't understand shopping Poeltl. Primarily because his cost is very low (he's in hand, he's cheap for production), meaning getting a player of Poeltl caliber is difficult at the same price points. The only thing I can guess is they figure he'll get much more expensive after next season.

We've literally told you this so many damn times dude.

[exstatic]

Who the fuck is going to trade for eubanks

Eubanks would only be salary ballast. He’s barely a replacement level player.

[ismael-robert]

Jock and Lonnie not on bench tonight

[Mr. Body]

We've literally told you this so many damn times dude.

Lol, I don't read everybody's fucking responses. I don't live here, you know. LMAO.

[Mr. Body]

We've literally told you this so many damn times dude.

As if I'd listen to the brain trust here on anything, with these genius trades for John Collins and Ben Simmons. :lol

[Kevin]

Chicago.

This is why I suspect Chicago is offering Vuch and a 1st for Jak and Thad.

Bulls upgrade both their starting and backup C spot while shedding 15 million in salary at seasons end. All that in exchange for a late 1st.

Of course the Spurs say no because it makes them worse in the short term and long term and the incoming draft compensation isn't enough to off set the talent down grade and loss of cap space.

Vuch and Jak are unplayable together and Vuch is making 23 million for the next two seasons while Jak is making about 9 million while being the better player.

Cant blame Chicago for calling.

[MannyIsGod]

As if I'd listen to the brain trust here on anything, with these genius trades for John Collins and Ben Simmons. :lol

So then use a bit of logic. You highly value Poeltl but somehow think the Spurs will be able to sign him for cheap?

Jakob is quite likely to get a deal of 14-18 million per year, IMO. With the way you talk about it, I suspect you expect him to command a deal worth over 20 million.


Don't listen to people, but then at least don't make stupid comments over and over again.

"Gee I can't figure out why the Spurs are shopping Poeltl. Gee wiz guys"

[JeffDuncan]

This is why I suspect Chicago is offering Vuch and a 1st for Jak and Thad.


We can’t trade Thad back to the Bulls this season.

[Mr. Body]

So then use a bit of logic. You highly value Poeltl but somehow think the Spurs will be able to sign him for cheap?

Jakob is quite likely to get a deal of 14-18 million per year, IMO. With the way you talk about it, I suspect you expect him to command a deal worth over 20 million.


Don't listen to people, but then at least don't make stupid comments over and over again.

"Gee I can't figure out why the Spurs are shopping Poeltl. Gee wiz guys"

Dude, you really have shit for brains, huh? I literally said the only reason to trade Poeltl is if they think he will be too expensive two summers from now. I said nothing about what I think he'll command in salary. It's not really that you're a fucking idiot, it's that you're a fucking disgrace.

[MannyIsGod]

Dude, you really have shit for brains, huh? I literally said the only reason to trade Poeltl is if they think he will be too expensive two summers from now. I said nothing about what I think he'll command in salary. It's not really that you're a fucking idiot, it's that you're a fucking disgrace.

lol a disgrace to who? You finally said that after more than a month of "The Spurs would never move on from Poeltl" takes when it is now clear that for the right price they would in fact move on from him for the very reason many have told you about here. Its ok if you want to be stupid and its ok if you want to act like everyone else here is stupid but for fucks sake at least read when we try to point out the obvious to you.

[JeffDuncan]

Who the fuck is going to trade for eubanks


Maybe a playoff team that has an injured player, and wants an active player at that roster spot. For example, the Suns with Kaminsky, who had knee surgery about a month ago.

[Mr. Body]

lol a disgrace to who? You finally said that after more than a month of "The Spurs would never move on from Poeltl" takes when it is now clear that for the right price they would in fact move on from him for the very reason many have told you about here. Its ok if you want to be stupid and its ok if you want to act like everyone else here is stupid but for fucks sake at least read when we try to point out the obvious to you.

:lol

No, I don't actually believe in these trade rumors. Look, bruh, I realize you have the intelligence of a kindergartner, but there's been absolutely no explanation of why a trade for Poeltl makes sense other than what I said. You're the one freaking out, and I think because I made fun of your dickwad John Collins infatuation.

Poeltl is both a very good defensive center and he's pretty cheap.

You cannot bet on getting a player of his caliber between a late FRP and a 'quality' player.

You're basically trading a quarter for two dimes. Maybe even a quarter for a dime and a nickel.

It's stupid, unless there's something else there.

If you trade Poeltl, the better move is coupling some other value and TRADING FOR A BETTER PLAYER.

Because 1) a nice defensive center PLUS 2) a cheap contract DOES NOT equal a late FRP and a role player.

This is so academic, so obvious, it's clear you're brain damaged to not understand it. And, NO, the SpursTalk idiocy of just jacking off over trades for no fucking reason isn't convincing.

Once again, THE ONLY REASON to trade Poeltl right now is if they think he's too expensive in 2023. That's it. And even then they come out behind.

[MannyIsGod]

No shit thats the only reason. We've told you that so many fucking times. Mind blown you are still acting like that isn't the very reason you've been told so many times.

[Degoat]

Just sayin Vuc > Jakob lol he went for 36 and 17 tonight. I love trade season, wish the spurs would make some significant moves but I’m sure only Thad will get traded/bought out

[ismael-robert]

Just sayin Vuc > Jakob lol he went for 36 and 17 tonight. I love trade season, wish the spurs would make some significant moves but I’m sure only Thad will get traded/bought out

Where was he against spurs? I just remember him looking soft n lazy with no d

[JeffDuncan]

Just sayin Vuc > Jakob lol he went for 36 and 17 tonight. …


Sabonis and Turner were both out for the Pacers. I did not watch the game, but according to the box score, the Pacers’ starting center was Terry Taylor, who is an undrafted shooting guard on a two way contract. I should hope Vuc would do well. Good heavens.

But the thing is, Taylor got 14 rebounds, including EIGHT offensive boards, and scored 21 points. So maybe Vuc is still not quite the answer.

[CGD]

Raptors, Chicago, Warriors, and Hornets are all the obvious teams looking for center help and should be inquiring about Jakob.

But those 2022 picks range from high teens to late 20s depending on the team (not excellent), so it’ll come down to the player coming back. Don’t see Pat Williams given Chicago’s recent posture, and unclear wtf Warriors are thinking on Wiseman. Toronto’s shit is meh. PJ Washington might be the only one that might moves the needle for spurs, and also seemingly expendable in CHA.

[Dverde]

I wonder if the trade for the Bulls would be Poodle for the injured Patrick Williams, plus a little trade filler. Reunites Vassell with his college teammate. Seems like a bad trade for the Bulls, but it’s more win now stuff.

[CGD]

^ again, they are super high on Williams, so unlikely as hell. They’ve refused to include him Jerami Grant talks, which is probably is the better fit for CHI than Jakob.

[Dejounte]

The expectation when trading Poeltl to another team should be that we are trading a role player for another role player.

The goal of the move would be to balance the roster in both scoring-wise (because Poeltl is not a consistent inside or outside threat) and position-wise (since we obviously have too many centers)

IMO, PJ Washington is the best fit here as he is a pretty strong dude and would probably stop the likes of Kuminga when they try to take advantage of the current Spurs lack of length and strength inside.

Doubt OG or Pat would be the pieces that come back if we’re dealing with CHI or TOR. However, if they are, then great. They would achieve the same thing PJ would and that’s to give the Spurs length inside. I wouldn’t expect them to have star upside though (not every player who is 6’6”+, black, has a long wingspan and strong is going to turn out like Kawhi, Spurs fans), as that’s not what we’re sending out with Poeltl.

[CGD]

^ apparently Jak + Lonnie for Williams & the lotto protected Portland pick works salary-wise.

[KingKev]

^ apparently Jak + Lonnie for Williams & the lotto protected Portland pick works salary-wise.

So basically Jak for 2 FRPs, one of which was a recent lottery pick with promise. Not a chance Chicago does that.

[Dejounte]

Before the hype gets too high for PWill since Spurs fans love overrating players on other teams:

Quotes from their own fans

”This sub overrates pwill's defense so much it is insane. He has tools to be a good defender. So far he has barely been average.”

“This is going to be Lauri all over again. Just a bunch of people over-hyping and heaven forbid you say anything that doesn't resonate in the P Willy echo chamber. Any outsiders coming in here would think that Pat is an all star with all defense accolades already. Take all the top 5 draft picks from the last five years in a re-draft and Pat doesn't get picked higher than 18.”

“For sure. I'm hopeful he blossoms, but I'm not at all convinced he will ever amount to much. He is one of the most robotic/tight hipped NBA players I have ever seen. Hard to see him every become elite on either end with that.”

“Pwill has the aggression of a sloth. They should trade him for whatever you can get. You can have all the size in the world….if you don’t have the motor and killer instinct, you’re just a role player.”

[KingKev]

Before the hype gets too high for PWill since Spurs fans love overrating players on other teams:

Quotes from their own fans

”This sub overrates pwill's defense so much it is insane. He has tools to be a good defender. So far he has barely been average.”

“This is going to be Lauri all over again. Just a bunch of people over-hyping and heaven forbid you say anything that doesn't resonate in the P Willy echo chamber. Any outsiders coming in here would think that Pat is an all star with all defense accolades already. Take all the top 5 draft picks from the last five years in a re-draft and Pat doesn't get picked higher than 18.”

“For sure. I'm hopeful he blossoms, but I'm not at all convinced he will ever amount to much. He is one of the most robotic/tight hipped NBA players I have ever seen. Hard to see him every become elite on either end with that.”

“Pwill has the aggression of a sloth. They should trade him for whatever you can get. You can have all the size in the world….if you don’t have the motor and killer instinct, you’re just a role player.”


There are fans on this message board who think KBD is our PF of the future, Landale is a “mini Jokic,” Eubanks is a “young asset” and the Jak/Zollins combo is the new twin towers.

Sounds like Chicago remain pretty high on him:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/02/central-rumors-p-williams-turner-pangos-pistons.html

[Degoat]

Before the hype gets too high for PWill since Spurs fans love overrating players on other teams:

Quotes from their own fans

”This sub overrates pwill's defense so much it is insane. He has tools to be a good defender. So far he has barely been average.”

“This is going to be Lauri all over again. Just a bunch of people over-hyping and heaven forbid you say anything that doesn't resonate in the P Willy echo chamber. Any outsiders coming in here would think that Pat is an all star with all defense accolades already. Take all the top 5 draft picks from the last five years in a re-draft and Pat doesn't get picked higher than 18.”

“For sure. I'm hopeful he blossoms, but I'm not at all convinced he will ever amount to much. He is one of the most robotic/tight hipped NBA players I have ever seen. Hard to see him every become elite on either end with that.”

“Pwill has the aggression of a sloth. They should trade him for whatever you can get. You can have all the size in the world….if you don’t have the motor and killer instinct, you’re just a role player.”

From Chicagos perspective they have to be really high on Pat Will, he’s there only trade chip they have to improve their team imo they don’t trade that asset away for a player like Jakob

[Dejounte]

There are fans on this message board who think KBD is our PF of the future, Landale is a “mini Jokic,” Eubanks is a “young asset” and the Jak/Zollins combo is the new twin towers.

Sounds like Chicago remain pretty high on him:

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/02/central-rumors-p-williams-turner-pangos-pistons.html

And there are fans who think / thought Murray would amount to not much more than a role player, that Kawhi had no star upside, Boris Diaw was washed up, and so forth. It’s bad on both sides and to only acknowledge one side and be blind to the other is stupid. Being blind to one side is just admitting you do the other.

[Dejounte]

From Chicagos perspective they have to be really high on Pat Will, he’s there only trade chip they have to improve their team imo they don’t trade that asset away for a player like Jakob

If they believe Poeltl improves their team and moves the needle for them, then yes, they do trade that asset for Jakob. Again, I don’t think it’s likely. But it all depends how a team views Jakob.

[KingKev]

And there are fans who think / thought Murray would amount to not much more than a role player, that Kawhi had no star upside, Boris Diaw was washed up, and so forth. It’s bad on both sides and to only acknowledge one side and be blind to the other is stupid. Being blind to one side is just admitting you do the other.

Regardless I’m not advocating for Williams one way or another but based on folks who potentially have knowledge of the organizations respective stances the Spurs would want a young player and a first for Jak (which is probably appropriate given his contract) and the Bulls will only move Williams for an absolute difference maker so doesn’t sound like there is a deal to be made.

[Dverde]

I was more saying that P Williams has to be the player coming back if they want Poodle. Poodle is on a great contract and one of the best rim defenders this year. These teams thinking they can get him for trash and their 20ish draft pick are ignorant. He’s also played with DDR for 4+ years. I don’t think the Bulls do it because the front office drafted him so high and they want to show how right they are about their pick. Bulls were winning a lot of games without him.

[Atl Spur]

Poodle and Collins may become a thing:) Hence the word may…..both are mobile/agile, can play D, and finish at the rim in different ways. High low is not out of the question;I’ll need to see more of them on the court together

[mo7888]

Raptors, Chicago, Warriors, and Hornets are all the obvious teams looking for center help and should be inquiring about Jakob.

But those 2022 picks range from high teens to late 20s depending on the team (not excellent), so it’ll come down to the player coming back. Don’t see Pat Williams given Chicago’s recent posture, and unclear wtf Warriors are thinking on Wiseman. Toronto’s shit is meh. PJ Washington might be the only one that might moves the needle for spurs, and also seemingly expendable in CHA.

Kuminga would move the needle if the Warriors would include him..

[MannyIsGod]

The expectation when trading Poeltl to another team should be that we are trading a role player for another role player.

The goal of the move would be to balance the roster in both scoring-wise (because Poeltl is not a consistent inside or outside threat) and position-wise (since we obviously have too many centers)

IMO, PJ Washington is the best fit here as he is a pretty strong dude and would probably stop the likes of Kuminga when they try to take advantage of the current Spurs lack of length and strength inside.

Doubt OG or Pat would be the pieces that come back if we’re dealing with CHI or TOR. However, if they are, then great. They would achieve the same thing PJ would and that’s to give the Spurs length inside. I wouldn’t expect them to have star upside though (not every player who is 6’6”+, black, has a long wingspan and strong is going to turn out like Kawhi, Spurs fans), as that’s not what we’re sending out with Poeltl.

Poeltl for Washington does nothing for me at all. Poeltl isn't the 3 point shooter PJ is but otherwise I would rather have poetlt on both sides of the court. No thanks.

[CGD]

Kuminga would move the needle if the Warriors would include him..

Of course, agree, but he’s off limits. Wiseman is a risk, but probably more in range

[exstatic]

Chicago is in a slightly precarious position in that they have showed well, but not really DONE anything, and their best young asset is a UFA this summer. If they fall on their faces in the playoffs, a distinct possibility with DDR in a large role, things could get kinda dicey.

Pat Will is a nice young asset, but he may not be able to help them this year. His return is questionable. I guess it depends if they feel they need to go all in or not. Frankly, I hope they don’t. Anything bad that happens to that franchise helps our ownership of their 2025 FRP.

On a more general level, people are discussing and mostly complaining about possible 2022 FRPs. We shouldn’t want any pick for this year. We already have three that look to be pretty damn good. FRPs requested should be later on down the road. If you have a bunch of picks in one draft, they ALL need to be paid at the same time. That’s why I see Memphis moving at least one of theirs.

[RC_Drunkford]

The Spurs ain't shopping Jakob, they are getting calls. A young starting caliber player plus a 1st is a good asking price. I don't really want to trade Poeltl, but I'd do it if teams overpay. Hence if you can get a Patrick Williams you take the deal. I'd only do a trade for PJ Washington if we get a future Hornets first (2023 the earliest), since they ain't that good and the pick should still be around the 10-20 range. Bottom line is you only trade him if teams overpay.

By the way Pat Williams is a good player. He started for a full season at 19 years old. He's 20. Has a midrange game, 3 point shot and is a strong and decent defender. The reason why people criticize his defense is because he's out of position a lot and still needs to learn NBA defense schemes. He's far from a liability on that end. The main comparison with him is nephew and we all know who developed him. So if you can get this guy for Poeltl you pull the trigger ASAP.

[talkspurs]

I find it interesting that people the new name that comes out and act like they are a great player. KJ is a better rebounder and 3 pt shooter then williams. He attempts more ft and 3s as well. the thing that williams is better at is blocking shots. DRTg is almost the same. Williams can still get better but so can KJ. KJ also is not coming off a major injury.

[LeBowen]

The Spurs ain't shopping Jakob, they are getting calls. A young starting caliber player plus a 1st is a good asking price. I don't really want to trade Poeltl, but I'd do it if teams overpay. Hence if you can get a Patrick Williams you take the deal. I'd only do a trade for PJ Washington if we get a future Hornets first (2023 the earliest), since they ain't that good and the pick should still be around the 10-20 range. Bottom line is you only trade him if teams overpay.

Agreed. The question is if PATFO wants to give Jakob a new deal and what's his asking price. If they already have an agreement for another team-friendly deal, then keep him. But if he asks for too much now is the perfect time to get a good trade for him. If they don't trade him and he doesn't extend before the next season, there's only so much teams will be willing to give up for a rental.


By the way Pat Williams is a good player. He started for a full season at 19 years old. He's 20. Has a midrange game, 3 point shot and is a strong and decent defender. The reason why people criticize his defense is because he's out of position a lot and still needs to learn NBA defense schemes. He's far from a liability on that end. The main comparison with him is nephew and we all know who developed him. So if you can get this guy for Poeltl you pull the trigger ASAP.

Yeah, I don't think it's fair to criticize him, Bulls were bad last season and current roster is a pretty bad fit for him. Bulls would probably let him go for cheap, but they need big wings and we don't have those. I don't think he should even be in discussions.
Also, for every nephew there are like 10 OG Anunobys and 100 Stanley Johnsons.


I might be wrong, but I still want JC if Hawks are interested in Derrick. Might be overpaid a bit, but he's literally a perfect fit for a team that has no PF and lacks spacing. And it's not like free agents are lining up to play for the Spurs so we could use those extra 5 to 10 millions elsewhere.

[Mr. Body]

Chicago is in a slightly precarious position in that they have showed well, but not really DONE anything, and their best young asset is a UFA this summer. If they fall on their faces in the playoffs, a distinct possibility with DDR in a large role, things could get kinda dicey.

Pat Will is a nice young asset, but he may not be able to help them this year. His return is questionable. I guess it depends if they feel they need to go all in or not. Frankly, I hope they don’t. Anything bad that happens to that franchise helps our ownership of their 2025 FRP.

On a more general level, people are discussing and mostly complaining about possible 2022 FRPs. We shouldn’t want any pick for this year. We already have three that look to be pretty damn good. FRPs requested should be later on down the road. If you have a bunch of picks in one draft, they ALL need to be paid at the same time. That’s why I see Memphis moving at least one of theirs.

The problem with Chicago isn't team construction -- they're very good. The problem with Chicago is the injuries.

[LeBowen]

The problem with Chicago isn't team construction -- they're very good. The problem with Chicago is the injuries.

Their interior defense is absolutely horrible. Demar is stuck playing PF on defense again. Works well enough in the regular season, but they'll get murdered in the playoffs.

They can beat the Nets, Celtics and Raptors that also don't have interior presence. They can outgun the Cavs and the Hawks, maybe even Miami if they get hot, but I doubt it.

Against Giannis and Embiid they'll just get obliterated. It's going to be tough to watch. If Sixers don't trade Simmons before the deadline Bulls can outgun them, but Bucks matchup would be the closest thing to Bud's Hawks against Lebron.

[CGD]

Probably an obvious point, but FWIW a Hoopshype person (Scotto) saying “Raptors have considered offering a first-round pick to the Spurs for Poeltl.”

What do folks think of Thad/Jak for Dargic’s contract/Precious Achuiwa/2023 FRP with the type of protection we got with the Chicago FRP?

[tbdog]

Probably an obvious point, but FWIW a Hoopshype person (Scotto) saying “Raptors have considered offering a first-round pick to the Spurs for Poeltl.”

What do folks think of Thad/Jak for Dargic’s contract/Precious Achuiwa/2023 FRP with the type of protection we got with the Chicago FRP?

I would then try and get Collins for White, matching contract and pick. Dargic can be our veteran guard.

[Mr. Body]

Sounds like Dragic is drawing heavy interest from around the league, so could be expensive.

[exstatic]

Probably an obvious point, but FWIW a Hoopshype person (Scotto) saying “Raptors have considered offering a first-round pick to the Spurs for Poeltl.”

What do folks think of Thad/Jak for Dargic’s contract/Precious Achuiwa/2023 FRP with the type of protection we got with the Chicago FRP?

It doesn’t work in the trade machine. I’m not a huge fan of Achiuwa. He’s a dinosaur. Shoots fewer 3s than DeRozan, and at about 30%. His FT% is awful enough that he may never improve his 3s. At this point I’d say OG, and you don’t even have to throw in a FRP. If they say no, say thanks but no thanks. We absolutely are dealing from a position of strength. We’re not shopping him, they’re calling.

[Chomag]

I have always wanted to see Dragic in a Spurs uniform but it would most likely not happen.

[exstatic]

Sounds like Dragic is drawing heavy interest from around the league, so could be expensive.

He’s old, costs a lot, and is a rental. For us, he’s salary ballast. Maybe you involve a 3rd team that actually wants him, and can give us a pick and a younger asset.

[Dex]

I have always wanted to see Dragic in a Spurs uniform but it would most likely not happen.

Dude is washed now.

Young Dragic? Sure....

At this point, Spurs might as well bring back Beno Udrih.

[Mr. Body]

He’s old, costs a lot, and is a rental. For us, he’s salary ballast. Maybe you involve a 3rd team that actually wants him, and can give us a pick and a younger asset.

Point is, he's worth more than salary ballast to some teams.

[BackHome]

A team on the hunt for a title yeah but not for us who are rebuilding hard pass

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Dragic is Dallas bound. He's worth nothing to the Spurs.

[ace3g]

Toronto has all its first-round picks looking ahead, which can be dangled as trade bait for a potential starting-caliber center. The Raptors have flirted with the idea of moving a first-round pick to re-acquire Poeltl, HoopsHype has learned. San Antonio is seeking (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/spurs-want-first-round-pick-and-quality-player-if-they-trade-jakob-poeltl/) a first-round pick and a quality player for Poeltl, according to Marc Stein (https://marcstein.substack.com/). Poeltl is averaging career-highs in points (13.3), rebounds (9.0), and assists (2.8) this season.


Indiana is seeking two first-round picks or a promising young player and a first-round pick in exchange for Turner, as I previously reported (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-myles-turner-caris-levert-eric-gordon-bryn-forbes/) on HoopsHype.



https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-cj-mccollum-anfernee-simons-robert-covington-dorian-finney-smith-danilo-gallinari-jakob-poeltl/

[John B]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-cj-mccollum-anfernee-simons-robert-covington-dorian-finney-smith-danilo-gallinari-jakob-poeltl/

Chicago’s FRP and Toronto’s FRP for Turner? That I will let Poeltl go. Let’s go!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Chicago’s FRP and Toronto’s FRP for Turner? That I will let Poeltl go. Let’s go!

Not a fan of this at all. Turner can walk after next season, just like Poeltl. He's unlikely to make a big contribution to a 30 win team in this time to be worth 2 decent firsts.

[exstatic]

Point is, he's worth more than salary ballast to some teams.

Did you read the second sentence?

[CGD]

It doesn’t work in the trade machine. I’m not a huge fan of Achiuwa. He’s a dinosaur. Shoots fewer 3s than DeRozan, and at about 30%. His FT% is awful enough that he may never improve his 3s. At this point I’d say OG, and you don’t even have to throw in a FRP. If they say no, say thanks but no thanks. We absolutely are dealing from a position of strength. We’re not shopping him, they’re calling.

It works on the RealGM checker. The incoming and outgoing salaries are both 21M.

Achuiwa is definitely a big project on offense for sure, though, a really good defender that can guard 4 positions. Not my preference either, my proposed trade with the 2023 FRP is maybe the upper limit of what TOR would offer

[CGD]

Point is, he's worth more than salary ballast to some teams.

Yeah, but they have the same problem we have with Thad. Everyone knows he’s destined for a buy out.

[CGD]

Not a fan of this at all. Turner can walk after next season, just like Poeltl. He's unlikely to make a big contribution to a 30 win team in this time to be worth 2 decent firsts.

Agree, ships sailed for me on Turner. I also don’t think he’s that much of an upgrade over this year’s Jakob tbh

[MannyIsGod]

Turner makes no sense for this team.

[Degoat]

According to Marc Stein… “I don’t know if it’s a spurs thing or if the market is just quieter than expected but there just hasn’t been much Thaddeus Young discussion at all.”

[CGD]

According to Marc Stein… “I don’t know if it’s a spurs thing or if the market is just quieter than expected but there just hasn’t been much Thaddeus Young discussion at all.”

I hope the spurs don’t buy him out unless he gives something back. They need to send a message to the league that the days of them buying out vets as a matter of due course is done.

[Degoat]

I hope the spurs don’t buy him out unless he gives something back. They need to send a message to the league that the days of them buying out vets as a matter of due course is done.

I know what you mean, it sucks I’m sure there’s some deals out there but it would require us taking back salary and unless it’s someone that fits into our timeline idk if that would be a good idea

[exstatic]

I hope the spurs don’t buy him out unless he gives something back. They need to send a message to the league that the days of them buying out vets as a matter of due course is done.

That’s what a buyout is. Post ASG, Thad will probably be owed $6M or so. The usual, back in the day was 50% of remaining salary. He’d give up $3M to be waived and go to a contender.

[Dex]

4 more days until we can stop pretending like something cool is going to happen here.

[Dex]

That’s what a buyout is. Post ASG, Thad will probably be owed $6M or so. The usual, back in the day was 50% of remaining salary. He’d give up $3M to be waived and go to a contender.

And other teams know that. Why should they give up assets for a guy that the Spurs are most likely going to just let walk anyways?

It would be one thing if Thad seemed to be in high demand but...apparently he's not, and his play hasn't really helped his case.

[slick'81]

So no 1st for thaddeus :rollin

[LeBowen]

To noone's surprise, it's another year of we like what we have.:pop:

[BacktoBasics]

And other teams know that. Why should they give up assets for a guy that the Spurs are most likely going to just let walk anyways?

It would be one thing if Thad seemed to be in high demand but...apparently he's not, and his play hasn't really helped his case.
Because there’s no guarantee that he picks your team. He can sign anywhere so if you really want to ensure you land him then they can decide how much they’re willing to give up vs. rolling the dice.

[Dverde]

Donovan is saying Patrick Williams should be back before the playoffs. I doubt they’ll move him now. They’d have to be really high on Poodle or really low on Williams.

[CGD]

That’s what a buyout is. Post ASG, Thad will probably be owed $6M or so. The usual, back in the day was 50% of remaining salary. He’d give up $3M to be waived and go to a contender.

Maybe, but the perception I have is they’ve been very generous or at least far from approaching that figure. Aldridge was the only one I recall giving back close to that 50% you suggest, but that situation felt different from the start because of the partial guarantee in his last year. That structure suggested to me there was some informal understanding/expectation baked ahead of time.

[CGD]

Looks that way… Best case is to use him for salary matching purposes.

[CGD]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-intel-james-harden-ben-simmons-harrison-barnes-2022/amp

“The Phoenix Suns have taken calls from the Denver Nuggets, Detroit Pistons, Washington Wizards, San Antonio Spurs, and Toronto Raptors for young backup Jalen Smith. The Pistons’ offer includes Rodney McGruder who was first included in a failed trade for Denver’s Bol Bol (now with Boston).”

[Dex]

Because there’s no guarantee that he picks your team. He can sign anywhere so if you really want to ensure you land him then they can decide how much they’re willing to give up vs. rolling the dice.

Thus him not being in high demand. I guess we still have 4 days to find out if anyone really wants him bad enough to keep him from hitting the market...but so far, no one seems to be taking the bait.

[Mr. Body]

Donovan is saying Patrick Williams should be back before the playoffs. I doubt they’ll move him now. They’d have to be really high on Poodle or really low on Williams.

Why would they have moved Patrick Williams in the first place?

[exstatic]

4 more days until we can stop pretending like something cool is going to happen here.

I would be shocked if we do anything other than trade Thad, or do something like Portland/Clips, a trade that is mostly financial.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-deadline-rumors-intel-james-harden-ben-simmons-harrison-barnes-2022/amp

“The Phoenix Suns have taken calls from the Denver Nuggets, Detroit Pistons, Washington Wizards, San Antonio Spurs, and Toronto Raptors for young backup Jalen Smith. The Pistons’ offer includes Rodney McGruder who was first included in a failed trade for Denver’s Bol Bol (now with Boston).”

I thought the team that acquires Smith can't resign him this summer, or are hamstrung badly. Is that still right? The Suns really fucked themselves by declining him.

[Mr. Body]

I would be shocked if we do anything other than trade Thad, or do something like Portland/Clips, a trade that is mostly financial.

Yeah. There are still teams hovering above tax line, when there is a MASSIVE pay-out from tax offenders going to all teams under the line. If there's not a market for Thad as a player -- which is hard, as competing teams have few resources -- then he can possibly be moved by a team looking for that payout. They can then buy him out or whatever and come out way ahead.

[exstatic]

I thought the team that acquires Smith can't resign him this summer, or are hamstrung badly. Is that still right? The Suns really fucked themselves by declining him.

Yes. This doesn’t seem to be a reliable or accurate source, although Boston or Denver might be interested as a short term asset or ending contract. Most Phoenix fan sites even acknowledge the fact.

Interesting that I read the whole linked article, and didn’t see the Phoenix chatter anywhere.

[jjspur]

I hope the spurs don’t buy him out unless he gives something back. They need to send a message to the league that the days of them buying out vets as a matter of due course is done.
Just speculating here, but it sounds like he won't give much back because he didn't play much and get to showcase his skills for a future contract with another team. We'll know in a few days. Would be absolutely stunned if they got a 2nd rounder for him at this point.

[mo7888]

Cavs acquire Lavert for a lottery protected 2022 1st and two 2nd's

Woj

[exstatic]

Just speculating here, but it sounds like he won't give much back because he didn't play much and get to showcase his skills for a future contract with another team. We'll know in a few days. Would be absolutely stunned if they got a 2nd rounder for him at this point.

If he wants to not play any more than he has, we can keep him, and sit him. He’s the one that wants out, and that will cost him $$

There’s a mistaken thought that the team buys out the player. It’s the opposite. The player is buying his way out. He wants to go somewhere else while under contract. I have no problem with a buyout if we can’t swing a trade, but the money has to work for SA. If his reps come to the table offering a million, you wish them a nice day, and go on about your business.

[Dejounte]

Cavs acquire Lavert for a lottery protected 2022 1st and two 2nd's

Woj

Levert is not a game changer by any means, but he adds a nice scoring punch to their backcourt.

[mo7888]

Levert is not a game changer by any means, but he adds a nice scoring punch to their backcourt.

A 1st and a 2nd that'll be in the 30's (Houston) seems like alot for LaVert... I'm a little surprised with this one actually..

[KingKev]

Levert is not a game changer by any means, but he adds a nice scoring punch to their backcourt.

Also probably means they are unlikely to match any offer for Sexton which already looked probable, pre trade.

[TD 21]

The expectation when trading Poeltl to another team should be that we are trading a role player for another role player.

Washington is a decent player, but he lacks upside and as one of the rare true fours in this era, he lacks the ball skills found in the typical modern one and the size to play five full time, which means his ideal role is his current one: 7th man/24 mpg, who can toggle between positions based on matchup.

The Spurs could be months away from selecting Murray, who might end up the same.

Either way, Poeltl is clearly better than him. I don't see a realistic Poeltl trade and this organization needs to stop giving away good assets.



Agreed. The question is if PATFO wants to give Jakob a new deal and what's his asking price. If they already have an agreement for another team-friendly deal, then keep him. But if he asks for too much now is the perfect time to get a good trade for him. If they don't trade him and he doesn't extend before the next season, there's only so much teams will be willing to give up for a rental.



Yeah, I don't think it's fair to criticize him, Bulls were bad last season and current roster is a pretty bad fit for him. Bulls would probably let him go for cheap, but they need big wings and we don't have those. I don't think he should even be in discussions.
Also, for every nephew there are like 10 OG Anunobys and 100 Stanley Johnsons.

My guess is Poeltl is tracking towards $12-14M annually. The puts him between the two tiers of recent center extensions, 1) Capela, Allen, Adams, Valanciunas and 2) Williams, Carter Jr., Holmes, Gafford. It's a no brainer to pay him, if for no other reason than asset retention.

Agreed, but the Bulls should strongly consider trading Williams for Grant or Barnes. They wouldn't truly contend either way, but at the same time, this is as wide open as this league gets, two of their big three are in their late prime and the odds of him becoming markedly better than them are probably slim.



According to Marc Stein… “I don’t know if it’s a spurs thing or if the market is just quieter than expected but there just hasn’t been much Thaddeus Young discussion at all.”

Funny how he magically lost value the second he became a Spur.

[exstatic]

Levert is not a game changer by any means, but he adds a nice scoring punch to their backcourt.

They’ve been needing something like that since Sexton went down. That’s a lot for Levert.

[PhantomDashCam]

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Not sure Carlisle signed up for this...

[KingKev]

They’ve been needing something like that since Sexton went down. That’s a lot for Levert.

Especially when Rubio’s expiring gave Cleveland cap space to play with this summer that possibly goes right to Levert as he is extendable.

I guess this gives an idea of White is worth. 2 FRPs might be possible.

[BacktoBasics]

They’ve been needing something like that since Sexton went down. That’s a lot for Levert.
Not really. A lottery protected first. They’re not gonna draft a mid round pick for what Levert will give them. I like this move for the Cavs. They needed a little more going forward.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The LeVert trade is important when it comes to setting the price for assets. I like the deal for both teams, not a big fan of LeVert at all but Cavs needed to get backcourt help.

[baseline bum]

They’ve been needing something like that since Sexton went down. That’s a lot for Levert.

I don't think it's too bad. Late first plus early second plus Utah's 2027 second for Levert and a late second seems alright for a Cavs team in win now mode.

[exstatic]

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Not sure Carlisle signed up for this...

If Indy is fair, they’ll release him like ATL did for Bud when they went into their rebuild.

[TD 21]

Especially when Rubio’s expiring gave Cleveland cap space to play with this summer that possibly goes right to Levert as he is extendable.

I guess this gives an idea of White is worth. 2 FRPs might be possible.

:lmao Maybe if he were a Warrior or Raptor. As a Spur, he's inherently significantly less valuable than he'd be virtually elsewhere else.

[Degoat]

The Cavs may make some noise in the playoffs tbh I like their roster a lot

[baseline bum]

Especially when Rubio’s expiring gave Cleveland cap space to play with this summer that possibly goes right to Levert as he is extendable.

I guess this gives an idea of White is worth. 2 FRPs might be possible.

Cleveland is in the same boat we're in where they're not going to land shit in free agency. I'll take the bird in the hand there, plus they have him for a playoff run this year while capspace ain't winning any games for them this year.

[PhantomDashCam]

The Cavs may make some noise in the playoffs tbh I like their roster a lot

Yeah, they feel like last years Hawks to me. If they get the right side of the bracket, like them more than Chicago for example.

[mo7888]

Financial ramifications for 2022/23:

Cleveland: $125.5M in total salary (tax is $147M)

* C. Sexton is a RFA

Indiana: $94.6M in salary ($26M below the cap)

The Pacers join Detroit, Orlando and San Antonio as teams with significant room in the offseason.

Bobby Marks

[RC_Drunkford]

Thad, Lonnie and the Chicago 1st for Sabonis would work too. I just feel like he‘d be a weird fit

[R. DeMurre]

Love this move for Cleveland. The idea of going forward with two 6'1" guards in Garland & Sexton was sketchy anyway, and I think Sexton will demand much more money than the 6'6" LeVert in the future. I always root for LeVert anyway, as one of the already luckiest players in NBA history, whose cancer was discovered by a routine physical after being traded, and who possibly might've died if he hadn't been traded. I can't think of any other trade in the history of sports that could possibly sting less.

At this point, the Cavs could be a couple of opponent covid cases in the playoffs away from shocking the world with an NBA title.

[exstatic]

Thad, Lonnie and the Chicago 1st for Sabonis would work too. I just feel like he‘d be a weird fit

I don’t think that works for Indy. Salary ballast, a busted development project, and one FRP isn’t close to what they want.

[baseline bum]

Thad, Lonnie and the Chicago 1st for Sabonis would work too. I just feel like he‘d be a weird fit

Can't imagine Indy couldn't do better than that, but god damn I'd love that.

[KingKev]

Cleveland is in the same boat we're in where they're not going to land shit in free agency. I'll take the bird in the hand there, plus they have him for a playoff run this year while capspace ain't winning any games for them this year.

Both C level cities but Mobley, Garland and Allan is considerably more talent than we currently posses. I’m not arguing against or for the trade, seems like a fair transaction for two teams with different trajectories.

[KingKev]

Thad, Lonnie and the Chicago 1st for Sabonis would work too. I just feel like he‘d be a weird fit

They just a better haul for LeVert?

[TD 21]

Thad, Lonnie and the Chicago 1st for Sabonis would work too. I just feel like he‘d be a weird fit

:lmao Is this serious? They apparently want the equivalent of the Vucevic package, which was Carter Jr., 1st (became 8th pick which became Wagner) and a '23 top 4 protected 1st.

[BackHome]

Cleveland is in the same boat we're in where they're not going to land shit in free agency. I'll take the bird in the hand there, plus they have him for a playoff run this year while capspace ain't winning any games for them this year.

I am not impressed with what is going to be available in free agency a team that is looking to win a ring I don’t think will find much in free agency hence the need to do a trade now if you have the space and picks to do it.

[talkspurs]

If Indy is fair, they’ll release him like ATL did for Bud when they went into their rebuild.

I could see him staying on with indy. no reason for him to give up money so Unless Indy needs to roster spot might as well keep him. I believe his contract is over at the end of this year and he out for the year. They may release him to be nice but he probably wont join another team till summer anyway.

[mo7888]

I could see him staying on with indy. no reason for him to give up money so Unless Indy needs to roster spot might as well keep him. I believe his contract is over at the end of this year and he out for the year. They may release him to be nice but he probably wont join another team till summer anyway.

I think he's talking about Carlisle..

[mo7888]

I am not impressed with what is going to be available in free agency a team that is looking to win a ring I don’t think will find much in free agency hence the need to do a trade now if you have the space and picks to do it.

Actually, with such limited cap space this summer it makes the cap space available more valuable. I wouldn't pass on a trade now just to save space if it was someone we really coveted but, shedding more salary and increasing our space opens up some options this summer that are probably better than last.

[gambit1990]

this is the perfect moment for the spurs to do something risky. high risk / high reward.

[KingKev]

Actually, with such limited cap space this summer it makes the cap space available more valuable. I wouldn't pass on a trade now just to save space if it was someone we really coveted but, shedding more salary and increasing our space opens up some options this summer that are probably better than last.

We don’t need to open more space. We have 35mm or so if we let Walker go. In my opinion we should start allocating that if and when opportunities arise. There are not max players in this free agency we would pursue or who wouldn't consider us. Ayton and Bridges as RFA’s are probably the prizes of free agency for the teams with material cap space and are going ti be matched.

Start renting your cap space now if the deal makes sense. Teams are looking to clear space to avoid the luxury tax, to get better at the margin for a playoff run and to have money to spend July 1st when the clock strikes twelve. The final point there means deals are going down at the deadline that would otherwise go down in the summer.

[mo7888]

We don’t need to open more space. We have 35mm or so if we let Walker go. In my opinion we should start allocating that if and when opportunities arise. There are not max players in this free agency we would pursue or who wouldn't consider us. Ayton and Bridges as RFA’s are probably the prizes of free agency for the teams with material cap space and are going ti be matched.

Start renting your cap space now if the deal makes sense. Teams are looking to clear space to avoid the luxury tax, to get better at the margin for a playoff run and to have money to spend July 1st when the clock strikes twelve. The final point there means deals are going down at the deadline that would otherwise go down in the summer.

It's about renting cap space this summer. There will be max or near max players that want to go somewhere besides SA this summer and we have the space to help teams make that happen and since there are only a few teams the price for that space could be considerable. As for us creating more space, I'm thinking along the lines of moving McDermott for space and a small asset if it's there...not jettisoning young players for the sake of space.

Re-reading your reply I think we're kinda in agreement on most of this....basically look for a deal at the deadline if it's there and if not, rent space this summer.... obviously there's nuance to it but thats the basic idea..

[Dejounte]

2021 Examples of RFA’s who switched teams:

Lonzo Ball
Markkanen
Devonte Graham
Hinton

It is a short list from a group of over 30+ RFA’s.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Spurs go after Kyle Anderson or Dorian Finney Smith

[CGD]

I think he's talking about Carlisle..

I get the impression he dislikes lots of his roster (outside a few guys like Malcom), and part of the deal for him was that he would get say in its turnover. Who knows, he’s probably over the moon to get rid of LaVert

[Degoat]

I know I’m gonna catch a lot of flak for this but I kinda wish the spurs would gamble on Marvin Bagley just to see if there’s anything there. I doubt the spurs take a chance with his dad being a problem and stuff

[CGD]

I thought the team that acquires Smith can't resign him this summer, or are hamstrung badly. Is that still right? The Suns really fucked themselves by declining him.

It could also be repackaged intel from earlier, and Jalen’s agent trying to find up interest for his client this summer. Or maybe the spurs don’t care about the impact of PHX’s not picking up his deal bc they think he’s a scrub and only see him as salary ballast anyway.

[mo7888]

I get the impression he dislikes lots of his roster (outside a few guys like Malcom), and part of the deal for him was that he would get say in its turnover. Who knows, he’s probably over the moon to get rid of LaVert

I kinda feel the same... I think Rick knew what he class walking into and wanted to embrace a rebuild for some reason.

[mo7888]

I know I’m gonna catch a lot of flak for this but I kinda wish the spurs would gamble on Marvin Bagley just to see if there’s anything there. I doubt the spurs take a chance with his dad being a problem and stuff

I'm not against that either but, I'd only look at if this summer if there's a reasonable price with a new contract. I wouldn't give up an asset for him now.

[Chomag]

Spurs are a bottom NBA team and still won't make risky moves, it would be the perfect time to do it while we suck and go for the high risk high reward

[KingKev]

2021 Examples of RFA’s who switched teams:

Lonzo Ball
Markkanen
Devonte Graham
Hinton

It is a short list from a group of over 30+ RFA’s.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Spurs go after Kyle Anderson or Dorian Finney Smith

Yikes. I don’t trust PATFO with cap space. It’s knly going tk take a few off-seasons till have 80 mm tied up in guys like McDermott and Kyle Anderson and Joe Ingles.

[Dejounte]

Yikes. I don’t trust PATFO with cap space. It’s knly going tk take a few off-seasons till have 80 mm tied up in guys like McDermott and Kyle Anderson and Joe Ingles.

Unless you’re signing a marquee future HOF player to your team, free agency signings are overrated. Look at the teams who’ve won every year for the last several decades and you’ll see that for those teams it wasn’t the free agency signing that catapulted them, it was their franchise player they drafted and one or two trades for a supporting cast that did. LeBron, Durant, Shaq aren’t walking through that door and last year (or this year’s) free agency had no one of that caliber. Free agency should be treated in an opportunistic, but flexible lens — get players that will get you by for now and if you plan well, then you have the perfect role players when your franchise players arrive via draft or trade (likely through draft).

[K...]

RISKY RewRDS?????? glad there's some web geniuses who know what's what. Specify what risks you want the team to make. Drafting a 17 year old...tame, trading for an injury prone PF? lame. Getting extra draft picks, fuck no....i want MOAR RISK......leverage this team to the gills

[cd98]

Financial ramifications for 2022/23:

Cleveland: $125.5M in total salary (tax is $147M)

* C. Sexton is a RFA

Indiana: $94.6M in salary ($26M below the cap)

The Pacers join Detroit, Orlando and San Antonio as teams with significant room in the offseason.

Bobby Marks

Even though the Spurs are a small market team, I would have to think they would still be a preferable destination over Detroit and Indiana. Maybe not Orlando, though that is a perpetually dysfunctional organization.

[exstatic]

I know I’m gonna catch a lot of flak for this but I kinda wish the spurs would gamble on Marvin Bagley just to see if there’s anything there. I doubt the spurs take a chance with his dad being a problem and stuff

It’s the yappy social media dad, but it’s also the fact that his first three years were carbon copies. 14/7. He never improved. He’s slid backwards this year to 9/7.

Some guys are just happy being in the league, and those guys should never be higher than your 10th man, nor paid very much. Former high draft picks never adapt to that.

[exstatic]

Spurs are a bottom NBA team and still won't make risky moves, it would be the perfect time to do it while we suck and go for the high risk high reward

You don’t think Zollins was a risky move? They guaranteed $10.5M for a guy who had 3 ankle surgeries.

The risky move most might be averse to is brining in talent with shit attitudes. That I’m never on board with. It’s hard enough building a new team without throwing snakes into the locker room.

[Degoat]

It’s the yappy social media dad, but it’s also the fact that his first three years were carbon copies. 14/7. He never improved. He’s slid backwards this year to 9/7.

Some guys are just happy being in the league, and those guys should never be higher than your 10th man, nor paid very much. Former high draft picks never adapt to that.

You’re probably right, the only argument that favors him is the kings are a pretty bad organization and he’s still only 22.

[exstatic]

You’re probably right, the only argument that favors him is the kings are a pretty bad organization and he’s still only 22.

He has no drive.

[BacktoBasics]

He has no drive.

A change of scenery and better culture could change that.

[exstatic]

A change of scenery and better culture could change that.

Doubtful. Even Pop admits that he can’t change players, which is why they get players that they think will work. Jalen Smith would be a better option.

[talkspurs]

I am seeing several articles saying the raptors really want Poeltl and would give up a first. Sounds like the Spurs are rejecting that. I wonder if it gets upgraded to 2 first or the first and a player the Spurs are seeking.

[BatManu20]

I believe it. Don’t think Spurs would be willing to give up what it would take to get either of them though tbh. Just PATFO doing their due diligence.

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[Robz4000]

I believe it. Don’t think Spurs would be willing to give up what it would take to get either of them though tbh. Just PATFO doing their due diligence.

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Not that I particularly want either, but they could make it a three team trade with the Raptors.

Spurs: Turner
Raptors: Poeltl, Young
Pacers: Dragic, Bulls first, Raptors protected first

[John B]

Not that I particularly want either, but they could make it a three team trade with the Raptors.

Spurs: Turner
Raptors: Poeltl, Young
Pacers: Dragic, Bulls first, Raptors protected first

Where there’s smoke, there’s fire :lol. It would be interesting days ahead. They’re not playing until 9th, and could be a new player(s) before then. Just when I’m starting to like Poeltl. But he would need a good pnr PG to get him going.

[MultiTroll]

Should we have dangled White for Lavert?

Or no way was Indy taking on years. They were looking to shred them and get picks.

[Robz4000]

Should we have dangled White for Lavert?

Or no way was Indy taking on years. They were looking to shred them and get picks.

White >>> Lavert

[RC_Drunkford]

:lmao Is this serious? They apparently want the equivalent of the Vucevic package, which was Carter Jr., 1st (became 8th pick which became Wagner) and a '23 top 4 protected 1st.

I was just tryin to figure out which salaries match since I don't think a rebuilding team would be interested in White. Obviously more picks would need to be included, but I couldn't find out what Indiana's asking price was. Spurs would be able to include 2 FRP's though and got a bunch of 2nds to throw in also. With players like Sabonis and Collins available the Spurs should really try to fix the hole at PF now rather than in free agency

[exstatic]

I was just tryin to figure out which salaries match since I don't think a rebuilding team would be interested in White. Obviously more picks would need to be included, but I couldn't find out what Indiana's asking price was. Spurs would be able to include 2 FRP's though and got a bunch of 2nds to throw in also. With players like Sabonis and Collins available the Spurs should really try to fix the hole at PF now rather than in free agency

Sabonis is not a 4, which is why the pairing with Turner never worked.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sabonis is not a 4, which is why the pairing with Turner never worked.

yea I know, that's why I said he would be an odd fit. He doesn't fit next to Poeltl and can't protect the rim as a 5. Turner makes more sense if Poeltl gets moved. Reportedly the Spurs are interested in both, but I'm not sure if any of the 2 would really improve the team

[Degoat]

I’m down for either Sabonis or Turner, hard to see how a deal would workout tho unless it’s strictly a picks package

[exstatic]

I’m down for either Sabonis or Turner, hard to see how a deal would workout tho unless it’s strictly a picks package

Neither can play the 4. Not even a little.

[Degoat]

Neither can play the 4. Not even a little.

Probably why the spurs are taking calls on Jakob

[RC_Drunkford]

I’m down for either Sabonis or Turner, hard to see how a deal would workout tho unless it’s strictly a picks package

I wouldn't want either to be honest. What Sabonis gives you on offense, he takes away on defense. Spurs would be a play-in team with him, not more. Turner is better than Poeltl, but even if you give up Poeltl and get a first for him Indiana would still want a young player added to that pick, so I don't see how the Spurs would get better. John Collins is still the one player that I can see significantly improve the team.

[CGD]

Not that I particularly want either, but they could make it a three team trade with the Raptors.

Spurs: Turner
Raptors: Poeltl, Young
Pacers: Dragic, Bulls first, Raptors protected first

Give me Sabonis instead, but yeah looks good otherwise.

[KingKev]

Give me Sabonis instead, but yeah looks good otherwise.

I don’t want either but I see no reason to pursue Turner now when he will be a free agent in 2023 and we will likely have a ton of cap space. I’d rather have the future first and a cheaper player in Jak.

[Degoat]

This is a typical spurs trade rumor leading to the deadline where we inevitably just buy out Thad Young lol I’d be happy with Sabonis tho obviously Jakob would need to be moved

[k830713]

https://fanspo.com/nba/s/spurs/trades/UgtisH9azsRwco/spurs-pacers
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/spurs/trades/T8YHtiIGC1Ik5j/hawks-raptors-spurs
Next season:
Murray 16,5mln, Jones 1,8mln
Vassell 4,4mln, Primo 4,1mln
Keldon Johnson 3,9mln, McDermott 13,8mln
J. Collins 23,5mln, Diop 1,9 mln
Sabonis 19,8mln, Collins 7,4 mln, Landale 1,6 mln
ok 100mln + free agent

[mo7888]

I believe it. Don’t think Spurs would be willing to give up what it would take to get either of them though tbh. Just PATFO doing their due diligence.

1490518829922983937

Massey is pretty much a hack that uses his small platform to troll.

[KingKev]

https://fanspo.com/nba/s/spurs/trades/UgtisH9azsRwco/spurs-pacers
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/spurs/trades/T8YHtiIGC1Ik5j/hawks-raptors-spurs
Next season:
Murray 16,5mln, Jones 1,8mln
Vassell 4,4mln, Primo 4,1mln
Keldon Johnson 3,9mln, McDermott 13,8mln
J. Collins 23,5mln, Diop 1,9 mln
Sabonis 19,8mln, Collins 7,4 mln, Landale 1,6 mln
ok 100mln + free agent

Pass. The above is a 40ish win team who will have no cap flex once DJ, Vassell, Keldon need to be extended.

This years FRP is near untouchable. We could probably replicate the production of a Sabonis or Collins for a 3rd the price if we land a top 5 pick this year.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://fanspo.com/nba/s/spurs/trades/UgtisH9azsRwco/spurs-pacers
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/spurs/trades/T8YHtiIGC1Ik5j/hawks-raptors-spurs
Next season:
Murray 16,5mln, Jones 1,8mln
Vassell 4,4mln, Primo 4,1mln
Keldon Johnson 3,9mln, McDermott 13,8mln
J. Collins 23,5mln, Diop 1,9 mln
Sabonis 19,8mln, Collins 7,4 mln, Landale 1,6 mln
ok 100mln + free agent

this team would be better with Poeltl instead of Sabonis

[MannyIsGod]

I don't buy the turner interest one bit. Why would we give up assets for a lateral move from Poeltl that isn't' locked up long term?

Makes zero sense.

[T Park]

I believe they checked in on him. I don’t believe that it’s “significant “ interest.

[exstatic]

Probably why the spurs are taking calls on Jakob

Neither on can protect the rim as well as Jak.

People make shit like this up all of the time. They want multiple FRPs and a young player for Sabo, and he’s already forcing his way out of a small market. Doesn’t seem like a prudent investment.

[exstatic]

Massey is pretty much a hack that uses his small platform to troll.

Nobody I’ve ever heard about, and yes I have a Twitter account and follow bball feeds.

[John B]

I don't buy the turner interest one bit. Why would we give up assets for a lateral move from Poeltl that isn't' locked up long term?

Makes zero sense.

I don’t know the specifics. But can Turner be extended prior to a trade? Or get his intention of signing an extention?

I don’t think it’s a lateral move from Poeltl as Turner has better on-man defense, leads the league in blocks, has 34%(?) 3pt range, etc. And Poeltl will cost more after his contract for a limited player, granted I’m starting to like Poeltl. But an outside threat he would never be.

[Ocotillo]

If Jak is shipped out somewhere, then I would have an interest in the Indy 5s but otherwise, I still contend if we could do a significant upgrade at the 4 we are better off. If we were able to bring in Collins and hang onto our FRP I think this team makes a big jump. It doesn't have to be Collins but he is the one there is talk about. Whoever it is needs to be able to hit outside shots when playing with Jak. Way too early to know if Zollins is a mid-term success but should he stay healthy/pan out, the ability to situationally be able to play either Zollins or Jak is appealing to me.

[BacktoBasics]

Massive defensive hole if you trade Jak for Sabonis and Turner really isn't better enough on offense to move Jak for him unless you get a sweetener.

How do you really improve if you trade for Sabonis? You're improving in one area to totally drop off in another.

[MultiTroll]

White >>> Lavert
Not an injured White.
With 5 more years vs Levert thru 23, to me it's a lateral move but frees up '23 on.

White gets injured again and Pop probably can only get Bryn Forbes or Patty Mills back in a trade.

[Chinook]

Not an injured White.
With 5 more years vs Levert thru 23, to me it's a lateral move but frees up '23 on.

White gets injured again and Pop probably can only get Bryn Forbes or Patty Mills back in a trade.

First, yes, injuries included, White is way better than LeVert. More importantly, injuries being included means you have to look at Caris through that lens as well. Dude is made of glass and has been since college.

If the point of this trade is to dump White's contract (for no reason), then they certainly don't have to go the LeVert route. There are plenty of teams who'd take him for expirings and assets and not leave the Spurs stuck with Caris as a bonus.

This just keeps going back to the idea that the Spurs should trade away players when they're bad and keep them when they're good. The Spurs should be looking to trade White for a piece that fits with Murray. If he were a bad player, the Spurs should be better off just keeping him and trading him away once his contract gets to be an expiring.

[Chinook]

Massive defensive hole if you trade Jak for Sabonis and Turner really isn't better enough on offense to move Jak for him unless you get a sweetener.

How do you really improve if you trade for Sabonis? You're improving in one area to totally drop off in another.

There are good defensive bigs in the NBA, and more will come during the draft. If you acquire Sabonis, the goal has to be to land a guy like Murray or Eason and hope he can come in and add interior defense right away. KBD would be even more important to the team after the trade, since he has the ability to switch onto centers while still being agile enough to defend perimeter players.

No matter what, the Spurs aren't one trade away from competing, let alone contending. No move they make should be thought of as the final move. That's why they can't go all-in on their offer. They'll need to save that for a player who can tie together Murray, their 22 first, a guy like Sabonis or Collins and whatever supporting players they can keep after all is said and done.

[ismael-robert]

Not only does poetl not spread floor he costs us countless points n potentially close games not being able to make free throws

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs just rejected a Bulls offer for Poeltl including a 1st. They probably offered Derrick Jones :lol

[KobesAchilles]

Toronto has all its first-round picks looking ahead, which can be dangled as trade bait for a potential starting-caliber center. The Raptors have flirted with the idea of moving a first-round pick to re-acquire Poeltl, HoopsHype has learned. San Antonio is seeking (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/spurs-want-first-round-pick-and-quality-player-if-they-trade-jakob-poeltl/) a first-round pick and a quality player for Poeltl, according to Marc Stein (https://marcstein.substack.com/). Poeltl, a top 10 center in the league, is averaging career-highs in points (13.3), rebounds (9.0), and assists (2.8) this season.


Indiana is seeking two first-round picks or a promising young player and a first-round pick in exchange for Turner, as I previously reported (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-myles-turner-caris-levert-eric-gordon-bryn-forbes/) on HoopsHype

Dude is finally getting the recognition he deserves.

[MultiTroll]

First,There are plenty of teams who'd take him for expirings and assets and not leave the Spurs stuck with Caris as a bonus.
Some examples?

Whites 3 pt shooting is erratic and mostly bad.
30% blows for a point guard / shooting guard.
And the 30% us more like 1-6, 0-4, 5-7.

His feet do not look healed and this limits him on D.
Overall fg% not much better.


This just keeps going back to the idea that the Spurs should trade away players when they're bad and keep them when they're good.
This would be a winning strategy.
Gawd knows they should have done this in Spades the last 3 years vs the b.s. they did.

[Chomag]

I personally like most of the players that are on our Squade but Spurs are going to have to start making some strong and even risky moves going forward to be competitive in the future. Even having to give up some players we love but that's the name of the biz.

Once they are competing on top again then they can stick to making small adjustments based on needs. However we all know that this FO doesn't change and will act like we have a team of the big 3 competing all of the time.

[KobesAchilles]

Anyway we could get Westbrick for an unprtotected 27 FRP from the Lakers. They are gonna suck very soon like the good old days of when my namesake killed them

[RC_Drunkford]

Sabonis is an empty stats player who can‘t even play next to a shot blocking 5 with a 3-Point shot. Our defense would look worse than when we start Drew Eubanks. He‘s unplayable next to Poeltl and having him at the 5 would not fix any issues this team has. Makes 0 sense

edit: Drew Eubanks actually averages more blocks than Sabonis while playing 20 minutes less

[MultiTroll]

The Spurs should be looking to trade White for a piece that fits with Murray. If he were a bad player, the Spurs should be better off just keeping him and trading him away once his contract gets to be an expiring.
Yes, like now.
Whites expiring contract is 4 years from now. :lol
If he ends up remaining 30% trey and gimpy feet no one will give shit for him.

[RC_Drunkford]

If Jak is shipped out somewhere, then I would have an interest in the Indy 5s but otherwise, I still contend if we could do a significant upgrade at the 4 we are better off. If we were able to bring in Collins and hang onto our FRP I think this team makes a big jump. It doesn't have to be Collins but he is the one there is talk about. Whoever it is needs to be able to hit outside shots when playing with Jak. Way too early to know if Zollins is a mid-term success but should he stay healthy/pan out, the ability to situationally be able to play either Zollins or Jak is appealing to me.

I could write an in-depth article on why this is exactly what they should be doing

[RC_Drunkford]

Yes, like now.
Whites expiring contract is 4 years from now. :lol
If he ends up remaining 30% trey and gimpy feet no one will give shit for him.

he shot 37 and 35% the seasons before and is at 31% right now. People are not really worried about his shooting that much although it could be better

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/Bulls_Jay/status/1490734995719311371


The Bulls made an offer for center Jakob Poeltl (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/poeltja01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) that was centered around a first-round pick, but they were rebuffed by the Spurs, according to Stein. Chicago has already traded away two of its own future first-round selections – including one to San Antonio – so the pick in the offer for Poeltl may have been Portland’s 2022 first-rounder, which is top-14 protected and appears unlikely to convey this year.

That's not a good draft pick and they probably included Derrick Jones

[CGD]

Spurs just rejected a Bulls offer for Poeltl including a 1st. They probably offered Derrick Jones :lol

Where’d you see this?

[R. DeMurre]

Indiana has dragged their feet for five seasons now, undecided on whether Sabonis & Turner can work together, with three first round playoff loses to show for it, two of them sweeps. It seems pretty clear the formula isn't gonna work. I'm guessing a lot of Pacer fans are pretty irritated at this point.

[BacktoBasics]

There are good defensive bigs in the NBA, and more will come during the draft. If you acquire Sabonis, the goal has to be to land a guy like Murray or Eason and hope he can come in and add interior defense right away. KBD would be even more important to the team after the trade, since he has the ability to switch onto centers while still being agile enough to defend perimeter players.

No matter what, the Spurs aren't one trade away from competing, let alone contending. No move they make should be thought of as the final move. That's why they can't go all-in on their offer. They'll need to save that for a player who can tie together Murray, their 22 first, a guy like Sabonis or Collins and whatever supporting players they can keep after all is said and done.
I'd hate to see us land Sabonis only to see him improve us just enough to get us out of the top 8 in the draft. A top 5 or really top 4 pick is way more valuable than Sabonis.

[Dex]

https://twitter.com/Bulls_Jay/status/1490734995719311371



That's not a good draft pick and they probably included Derrick Jones

What a stupid offer.

Sure, let's trade our 9th overall draft pick who has developed nicely for a late first and salary dump.

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/Bulls_Jay/status/1490734995719311371



That's not a good draft pick and they probably included Derrick Jones

Thanks. Spurs should be holding the line at Williams or OG (with Raps), since their respective FRPs, alone, are meh.

[Degoat]

The team that makes the most sense for Jakob is the GSW, but it seems like they are wanting to stand Pat with their group. That bulls deal is mehhh but honestly it’s not far off imo

[CGD]

The team that makes the most sense for Jakob is the GSW, but it seems like they are wanting to stand Pat with their group. That bulls deal is mehhh but honestly it’s not far off imo

The one helpful thing about CHI putting the POR lotto protect pick in play, is that it should allow spurs to go back to TOR to demand a more favorable protections structure on a TOR 2023 or 2024 FRP.

Agree GSW need to jump to the Jakob sweepstakes.

[RC_Drunkford]

The team that makes the most sense for Jakob is the GSW, but it seems like they are wanting to stand Pat with their group. That bulls deal is mehhh but honestly it’s not far off imo

it will take Coby White or Patrick Williams. Otherwise the Spurs won't do the deal and I wouldn't either

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Safe to say Chicago's offer was Derrick Jones Jr + Portland's 1st. Good to have a base understanding on how much the Spurs value Poeltl. Portland's pick is lottery protected until 2028.

Btw Chicago could technically trade their 2027 first too if they lift the protections on the 2025 pick they owe the Spurs and the 2023 pick they owe to the Magic, making them unprotected.

Another small trade the Spurs should look to do would be something like Juancho's contract for Ibaka's + cash + a 2RP, which would save Clippers a lot of luxury tax money. There should be a couple more similar deals available even if OKC trumps one with their cap space.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Jakob is the Spurs' second best player this season behind Murray. Makes no sense to trade him unless they get a future lottery pick in return. The Spurs should just let go of Young and/ or Walker .. wait till the offseason, check their draft position and continue rebuilding. This unit looks promising and is poised to do better with one All-NBA player in the mix.

[CGD]

Safe to say Chicago's offer was Derrick Jones Jr + Portland's 1st. Good to have a base understanding on how much the Spurs value Poeltl. Portland's pick is lottery protected until 2028.

Btw Chicago could technically trade their 2027 first too if they lift the protections on the 2025 pick owe the Spurs, making it unprotected.

Another small trade the Spurs should look to do would be something like Juancho's contract for Ibaka's + cash + a 2RP, which would save Clippers a lot of luxury tax money. There should be a couple more similar deals available even if OKC trumps one with their cap space.

Interesting point about possibility of renegotiating 2025 protections. Does POR pick then make sense if they also kill all 2025 protections? Hmm

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Interesting point about possibility of renegotiating 2025 protections. Does POR pick then make sense if they also kill all 2025 protections? Hmm

Portland have no incentive to lift their pick's protections though. Chicago might do if they want to make a trade using their 2027 pick. Unlikely though, smart teams don't trade unprotected picks unless it's for a superstar.

[John B]

Jakob is the Spurs' second best player this season behind Murray. Makes no sense to trade him unless they get a future lottery pick in return. The Spurs should just let go of Young and/ or Walker .. wait till the offseason, check their draft position and continue rebuilding. This unit looks promising and is poised to do better with one All-NBA player in the mix.

As much as I'm starting to like Poeltl.

1. He will always be a limited player because of he's inability to hit outside of 9 footer
2. His FT while improving is still a dismal 40%
3. While his help defense is excellent (despite overhelping at times and leaving his guy for open dunks), he is a terrible on-man defender especially against capable bigs
4. He will be demanding more money after next season (he himself said he'll be working on that salary increase). And should Spurs pay him starting Center salary? Nope

Better to move him while his stock is high

[CGD]

Portland have no incentive to lift their pick's protections though. Chicago might do if they want to make a trade using their 2027 pick. Unlikely though, smart teams don't trade unprotected picks unless it's for a superstar.

I’m saying they still send the POR FRP as it is, but also upgrade to a better protection structure on the 2025 FRP they got from DDR trade. Maybe completely unprotected is a stretch, but making it Top 8 in 2025, Top 3 in 2026 and 2027, etc.

[Spursfanfromafar]

As much as I'm starting to like Poeltl.

1. He will always be a limited player because of he's inability to hit outside of 9 footer
2. His FT while improving is still a dismal 40%
3. While his help defense is excellent (despite overhelping at times and leaving his guy for open dunks), he is a terrible on-man defender especially against capable bigs
4. He will be demanding more money after next season (he himself said he'll be working on that salary increase). And should Spurs pay him starting Center salary? Nope

Better to move him while his stock is high

1. He is a center who plays excellent defense and works hard on offense by setting screens, rolling to the basket and making himself available for scoring at the rim. He is a passable imitation of Rudy Gobert but is paid peanuts compared to Gobert. The only two-way centers who can do way better than Poeltl are two MVP candidates - Jokic and Embiid. And they are once in a generation talents. It's no shame not being in the same tier as Jokic and Embiid. But being on par with Jarett Allen and Jonas Valanciunas and paid lower than them is an incredible bargain for the Spurs.
2. His defensive plus minus numbers, 538 Raptor WAR numbers put him as the second best defensive player on the Spurs behind Derrick White. And in the Top 10 among Centers who have played more than 1000 minutes. He makes a world of difference when on the floor. Now that Zollins is fit and can play backup, the Spurs have a good one-two punch at Center.
3. His only weakness is his pathetic free throw shooting, but just like last season, he has started to improve that at the later half of the season
4. The Spurs can cross the bridge when they get to it. They have one more season and if Poeltl is as valuable as he is now, he is only going to even more so next season, on an expiring. There is no need to trade him now. Besides he is young and still reaching his prime. He can be a building block for a Spurs team that is seeking to get that transformational star who will lift the team. With the Center position set and above league average, the Spurs should just focus on getting an All-Star/ All-Star calibre power forward through either the draft or through free agency/ trade. There is no need to trade Poeltl at all if looked at it that way.

[slick'81]

Don't see spurs getting a lottery pick for poodle

[John B]

1. He is a center who plays excellent defense and works hard on offense by setting screens, rolling to the basket and making himself available for scoring at the rim. He is a passable imitation of Rudy Gobert but is paid peanuts compared to Gobert. The only two-way centers who can do way better than Poeltl are two MVP candidates - Jokic and Embiid. And they are once in a generation talents. It's no shame not being in the same tier as Jokic and Embiid. But being on par with Jarett Allen and Jonas Valanciunas and paid lower than them is an incredible bargain for the Spurs.
2. His defensive plus minus numbers, 538 Raptor WAR numbers put him as the second best defensive player on the Spurs behind Derrick White. And in the Top 10 among Centers who have played more than 1000 minutes. He makes a world of difference when on the floor. Now that Zollins is fit and can play backup, the Spurs have a good one-two punch at Center.
3. His only weakness is his pathetic free throw shooting, but just like last season, he has started to improve that at the later half of the season
4. The Spurs can cross the bridge when they get to it. They have one more season and if Poeltl is as valuable as he is now, he is only going to even more so next season, on an expiring. There is no need to trade him now. Besides he is young and still reaching his prime. He can be a building block for a Spurs team that is seeking to get that transformational star who will lift the team. With the Center position set and above league average, the Spurs should just focus on getting an All-Star/ All-Star calibre power forward through either the draft or through free agency/ trade. There is no need to trade Poeltl at all if looked at it that way.

1. Bargain now, but will he be a bargain 2 years from now when he ask for an increase? Nope. So why wait then when people are asking for him now? That is the main argument here. Once he starts asking for a Jarrett Allen salary then, I will get a Jarrett Allen caliber who can depend and shoot, and Poeltl cannot do both. And again he is a BAD on-man defender.

[Chinook]

Some examples?

Have you not asked any non-Spurs fan about White? He's highly coveted. Even the beat reporters are saying teams are calling about him. You purposefully trying to make him look bad doesn't reflect on his actual level of play or value. His defensive numbers are very good, despite apparently being limited on that end. He's the team's best perimeter on-ball defender (it's not even close).



This would be a winning strategy.
Gawd knows they should have done this in Spades the last 3 years vs the b.s. they did.

No, it's not. The Spurs, for years, have had a lot of good players. I'm not going to entertain the ST tradition of shitting on good players for memes. The more important thing, though, is that if you're only trading away bad players, you can't ever trade for good players. Nobody wants to get bad players back in trades. If they do, it's with compensation. If the Spurs' goal is to have a good team and not just some decent players who haven't lost hope, then they'll have to be wiling to move good players for value that they can use to turn them into better players. Holding onto everyone who's not bad is an awful, losing strategy, and constantly giving up value to get rid of players because they're bad is an even worse one.

[Chinook]

I'd hate to see us land Sabonis only to see him improve us just enough to get us out of the top 8 in the draft. A top 5 or really top 4 pick is way more valuable than Sabonis.

Eh, a top-five pick doesn't matter. Who they get is what matters. I don't want them to make a move this season precisely for the reasons you do, but there are tons of scenarios where Sabonis and a pick that lands between 6-10 is better than just a pick that land between 1-5.

[exstatic]

Not an injured White.
With 5 more years vs Levert thru 23, to me it's a lateral move but frees up '23 on.

White gets injured again and Pop probably can only get Bryn Forbes or Patty Mills back in a trade.

Laverts injury history/ games played are worse than whites.

[exstatic]

Some examples?

Whites 3 pt shooting is erratic and mostly bad.
30% blows for a point guard / shooting guard.
And the 30% us more like 1-6, 0-4, 5-7.

His feet do not look healed and this limits him on D.
Overall fg% not much better.


This would be a winning strategy.
Gawd knows they should have done this in Spades the last 3 years vs the b.s. they did.

Derrick White is the number one FG% at the rim defender for guards in the NBA, and number three, OVERALL.

Guess those feet can’t be too bad.

[exstatic]

As much as I'm starting to like Poeltl.

1. He will always be a limited player because of he's inability to hit outside of 9 footer
2. His FT while improving is still a dismal 40%
3. While his help defense is excellent (despite overhelping at times and leaving his guy for open dunks), he is a terrible on-man defender especially against capable bigs
4. He will be demanding more money after next season (he himself said he'll be working on that salary increase). And should Spurs pay him starting Center salary? Nope

Better to move him while his stock is high

Chicago is offering a gleaguer and a shit pick. Hard pass. I’m open to the right deal, but this ain’t fucking it….

[exstatic]

I’m saying they still send the POR FRP as it is, but also upgrade to a better protection structure on the 2025 FRP they got from DDR trade. Maybe completely unprotected is a stretch, but making it Top 8 in 2025, Top 3 in 2026 and 2027, etc.

It’s already fairly lightly protected, 1-10,1-8,1-8

[exstatic]

Don't see spurs getting a lottery pick for poodle

I don’t think the pick is probably the sticking point. It’s not great, but theyre offering a virtual gleaguer. It’s almost like the posters at Bullstalk have taken over their front office.

[poopbox]

I'd hate to see us land Sabonis only to see him improve us just enough to get us out of the top 8 in the draft. A top 5 or really top 4 pick is way more valuable than Sabonis.

You assume this front office would actually draft a big, which we desperately need, instead of another combo guard, with a top 5 pick. I'm not so sure about this. Sabonis would be WAY more valuable than insert 6 "4" guard with a 6"10" wingspan who won't really play for two years player, that the spurs might waste a top 5 pick on.

[Kevin]

You assume this front office would actually draft a big, which we desperately need, instead of another combo guard, with a top 5 pick. I'm not so sure about this. Sabonis would be WAY more valuable than insert 6 "4" guard with a 6"10" wingspan who won't really play for two years player, that the spurs might waste a top 5 pick on.

The Spurs have 35 million in cap space this summer so they really aren't beholden to drafting a forward even if it's their biggest need. Draft a guard and sign a forward works too.

[BacktoBasics]

Eh, a top-five pick doesn't matter. Who they get is what matters. I don't want them to make a move this season precisely for the reasons you do, but there are tons of scenarios where Sabonis and a pick that lands between 6-10 is better than just a pick that land between 1-5.
You've got me pegged wrong. I don't necessarily want them to make a move unless its an overwhelming good one. After further consideration your point about a 6-10 pick and Sabonis having more value than a top 5 is worthy of an argument.

I still think I'd prefer a top 5.

[BacktoBasics]

You assume this front office would actually draft a big, which we desperately need, instead of another combo guard, with a top 5 pick. I'm not so sure about this. Sabonis would be WAY more valuable than insert 6 "4" guard with a 6"10" wingspan who won't really play for two years player, that the spurs might waste a top 5 pick on.
Take the best available player. I'm confident if they're in the top 3 that would be a big. I have no issue with the projected picks around 4-5 if that lands us a significantly impactful player.

Its not a if we wouldn't have Jak... who's a pretty good center.

[gambit1990]

i'm fine with trading jakob.

kinda surprised he's even on the trading block though. he's seems like "spurs material".

[exstatic]

i'm fine with trading jakob.

kinda surprised he's even on the trading block though. he's seems like "spurs material".

He’s not really on the block. Teams are calling, and being rejected. the only leaked offer was from Chicago, and the player they included was a virtual gleaguer. The pick would have been mid first round, most likely, so we’d have no Jakob, and no way to replace him.

[TD 21]

I was just tryin to figure out which salaries match since I don't think a rebuilding team would be interested in White. Obviously more picks would need to be included, but I couldn't find out what Indiana's asking price was. Spurs would be able to include 2 FRP's though and got a bunch of 2nds to throw in also. With players like Sabonis and Collins available the Spurs should really try to fix the hole at PF now rather than in free agency

Maybe not, but White represents actual value; Walker IV doesn't.

Sabonis isn't a PF, he's a C who's been shoehorned into guarding the former about half the time because they needed to get their best talent on the floor as much as possible.

As good as he is, he's more a floor than ceiling raiser. A C who can't stretch the floor, protect the rim or defend well in space is an awkward fit in most cases.

Other than looking to package Young and Walker IV or maybe seeing what they can get for Hernangomez' contract, the Spurs should of course listen on Poeltl and White, but remain patient.

[widowmaker]

I wouldn’t trade Jacob right now. He’s playing great!

[CGD]

Maybe not, but White represents actual value; Walker IV doesn't.

Sabonis isn't a PF, he's a C who's been shoehorned into guarding the former about half the time because they needed to get their best talent on the floor as much as possible.

As good as he is, he's more a floor than ceiling raiser. A C who can't stretch the floor, protect the rim or defend well in space is an awkward fit in most cases.

Other than looking to package Young and Walker IV or maybe seeing what they can get for Hernangomez' contract, the Spurs should of course listen on Poeltl and White, but remain patient.

Did we get to brass tax in here on being able to move Herngomez by the deadline? That that was a big no?

[MultiTroll]

he shot 37 and 35% the seasons before and is at 31% right now. People are not really worried about his shooting that much although it could be better


You purposefully trying to make him look bad doesn't reflect on his actual level of play or value.
Yes I am making him miss treys and have gimpy feet at times this season.


Laverts injury history/ games played are worse than whites.
This i did not know. Thank you.

Derrick White is the number one FG% at the rim defender for guards in the NBA, and number three, OVERALL.
at the rim.
Guess those feet can’t be too bad.
Minority of a guard D is at the rim.
Still excellent rim D.

I have not see a lot of Spurs games this year but the ones i have his perimeter D has not been stellar like previous years.
Feet?

To all. I'm not buring on White, rather attempting to see if foresight is that he is arcing out now, or rather last year.
With the Spurs previous pathetic overpaying then holding on to dead weight, i don't want to see us with a gimpy declining White for 4 more years.
He is currently the highest paid Spurs. Not the highest performing. This trend needed to stop after Zaza.
Explore a trade if indeed so many other teams are inquiring.

[Dverde]

I wouldn’t trade Jacob right now. He’s playing great!

It’s called selling high….but I’m with you that he is worth keeping unless someone overpays

[scott]

I like Jak a lot... but he is an obvious player to sell high on. Yes, he is playing like a top C. Yes, he is on a cheap deal. But, he won't be on a cheap deal after next season, which is the earliest where we might hope that our window for contention will open assuming we land an impact rookie and have continued development of our youngs AND make a move for someone else who can make an impact.

I hate to lose Yak, but we really do need to look to maximize the value of what we have by dealing him to a contender. Spurs demanding a 1st plus a quality player is the correct asking price. The only exception, I would go straight up for Wiseman just for home run potential. Jak is a perfect addition for a team in Win Now mode, and the asking price should be commensurate.

White is in a similar situation, but still has value in our timeline since he has more years left on his deal.

Only way this team is going to be contenders again is to fully commit to the rebuild and sell asset high. Derrick and Jak are honestly the only true assets we have. Hanging on them isn't going to get us where we want to go unless we get lucky in the lottery and get the next 10-year all pro.

[tonight...you]

I like Jak a lot... but he is an obvious player to sell high on. Yes, he is playing like a top C. Yes, he is on a cheap deal. But, he won't be on a cheap deal after next season, which is the earliest where we might hope that our window for contention will open assuming we land an impact rookie and have continued development of our youngs AND make a move for someone else who can make an impact.

I hate to lose Yak, but we really do need to look to maximize the value of what we have by dealing him to a contender. Spurs demanding a 1st plus a quality player is the correct asking price. The only exception, I would go straight up for Wiseman just for home run potential. Jak is a perfect addition for a team in Win Now mode, and the asking price should be commensurate.

White is in a similar situation, but still has value in our timeline since he has more years left on his deal.

Only way this team is going to be contenders again is to fully commit to the rebuild and sell asset high. Derrick and Jak are honestly the only true assets we have. Hanging on them isn't going to get us where we want to go unless we get lucky in the lottery and get the next 10-year all pro.
Doesn't seem like anyone is wanting to buy high right now.
Just because a shit offer comes down the pipeline means nothing more than a shit offer came down the pipeline.

[KingKev]

Teams are inquiring about Jak because they’ve seen our recent trades, see how bad our roster actually is and think they can finesse us. I don’t blame them.

Raps and Bulls aren’t giving us shit for him. Every starter on the Raps is better than every player we have other than DJ.

[scott]

Obviously if we can't shit for Jak or Derrick, we hold.

[MR-Clutch]

Keldon and poetl for Patrick Williams a 1st round pick and filler. Who says no?

[Chinook]

Keldon and poetl for Patrick Williams a 1st round pick and filler. Who says no?

I'm not that big of a fan. I am as skeptical of Keldon as a long-term piece as any Spurs fan, but the Spurs should definitely hold onto him if they can't find a team that assign's "blue-chip" value to him. Like with Murray, Johnson can now say he's a gold-medalist. That gives him cachet around the league. He's also a productive player who may overcome his flaws. The Spurs shouldn't sell him low. I like Williams well enough, but he's more of a viable return for Poeltl given his injury and lack of production. I don't see him as off-setting the value gap between Poeltl and the Portland first.

In general, though, I do think Poeltl's trade threshold is lower than most Spurs fans want it to be. I don't really want a first this year, but after this season, I'd be okay with getting one back. He's a good player who fits culturally, but he's not a great player, and his contract doesn't matter to the Spurs for the rest of its duration. They're likely in a position where they can afford to pay more for a defensive center who makes too much money like Adams. Getting a first for Poeltl and taking Adams or Horford or whomever in a dump for a year while being content with another high pick is one of the possible paths forward.

[Dverde]

Obviously if we can't shit for Jak or Derrick, we hold.

I believe the proper term is “we like what we have”. :lol I still think Thad is getting traded for filler and second rounder or two.

[rankingtear]

I am fine with trading Jakob more than Keldon. Keldon has all star trajectory same as Murray, I see him similar to Miles Bridges who is considered a borderline all star in his 4th season. CHA is the perfect fit for Jakob and 2 years ago was one of his suitors , maybe a PJ and Jakob swap is doable with some draft asset coming our way.

[RC_Drunkford]

Several teams, including the Minnesota Timberwolves and Phoenix Suns have expressed interest in trading for Spurs forward Thaddeus Young, league sources told HoopsHype.
Young, 33, has openly stated that he’d like to play for a contender. He averaged 12.1 points on 55.9 percent shooting with 6.2 rebounds last season before being shifted to a reduced role on a rebuilding Spurs team this season after being acquired via trade.
The Suns and Spurs had previous discussions centered around Jalen Smith, Dario Saric and second-round draft pick compensation for Young, league sources told HoopsHype.
As our HoopsHype salary cap expert, Yossi Gozlan, previously noted on our podcast (https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-trade-deadline-preview-lakers-celtics-bulls-hawks-rockets-clippers-thunder-mavs/), any team that trades for Smith can’t re-sign him to a salary next season more than the amount he was supposed to get on his rookie-scale deal. This scenario puts any team who trades for Smith at risk of losing him if another team offers him more than $4.7 million.
The Timberwolves and Spurs had exploratory talks on a trade involving Taurean Prince and a second-round pick for Young, league sources told HoopsHype.
Prince suffered a left ankle sprain on Sunday. Before his injury, Prince averaged 17.5 points on a blistering 68.2 percent from three-point range with 6.8 rebounds in his last four games.



per Hoopshype

[Degoat]

I always wanted the spurs to acquire Taurean Prince when number 2 was here

[pookenstein]

Isn't Prince a SA native?

[CGD]

Do that Prince deal

[exstatic]

Do that Prince deal

If the understanding is that he rolls off this summer, I’m OK with him just being salary ballast. He makes $15M, but is only worth a fraction of that. Any $$ he might get is cap room we lose, and money not available to our draftees. I’d want the SRP to be Minnesota’s own, and not this year.

[CGD]

If the understanding is that he rolls off this summer, I’m OK with him just being salary ballast. He makes $15M, but is only worth a fraction of that. Any $$ he might get is cap room we lose, and money not available to our draftees. I’d want the SRP to be Minnesota’s own, and not this year.

Yeah, I see it as swapping expirings. Minni has 3 SRPs in this draft so nabbing one this year and a distant one would be ideal.

I still like the PHX deal better if we get a late first from them. I get all the Smith stuff, but in any case I don’t see spurs willing to offer him more than the 4M they would still be able to give him. If they get outbid, meh, no big loss.

[Chinook]

Prince is one of the worst players in the NBA. He's having a career year and is still a stark negative. I don't even want him in the Spurs' transaction history.

It really looks like that source is just the RGM TnT forum. Several posters there have been pushing for not just the Smith deal but the Prince deal as well for months.

Buying out Young is fine compared to those deals. It's certainly not a great thing overall in the context of the DeRozan trade, but at this point that's sunk cost.

[CGD]

^ who really cares if he sucks. He’s an expiring contract just like Thad. It’s about the picks coming back, or if they can snag someone like Bolmero.

[exstatic]

Prince is one of the worst players in the NBA. He's having a career year and is still a stark negative. I don't even want him in the Spurs' transaction history.

It really looks like that source is just the RGM TnT forum. Several posters there have been pushing for not just the Smith deal but the Prince deal as well for months.

Buying out Young is fine compared to those deals. It's certainly not a great thing overall in the context of the DeRozan trade, but at this point that's sunk cost.

Take second rounder. Buy out Prince.

[RC_Drunkford]

Prince is one of the worst players in the NBA. He's having a career year and is still a stark negative. I don't even want him in the Spurs' transaction history.

It really looks like that source is just the RGM TnT forum. Several posters there have been pushing for not just the Smith deal but the Prince deal as well for months.

Buying out Young is fine compared to those deals. It's certainly not a great thing overall in the context of the DeRozan trade, but at this point that's sunk cost.

The source is Michael A. Scotto from Hoopshype and not some forum

[KingKev]

Anyone else just want the deadline to pass? I’m not expecting much tomorrow but damn I've wasted alot of time reading articles, looking at cap situations, scenarios and hypothetical transactions lol.

Get me a far out second and an expiring for Thad and I’ll be satisfied.

[Chinook]

The source is Michael A. Scotto from Hoopshype and not some forum

RealGM is one of the biggest basketball forums in the world. It's not just a random site. I also don't give a shit whose name they gave credit to for the source. My point is that both of those trades are ones that random fans have kicked around this whole season. Scotto or whatever, likely didn't actually hear anything from the teams but is instead TSpencing by reporting trade ideas that "just make sense" are rumors so if they happen he seems like a genius and if they don't, the ideas were so obvious that no one doubts they were discussed.

[Chinook]

Take second rounder. Buy out Prince.

Not worth it. Just buy out Thad and be done with it.

[KingKev]

RealGM is one of the biggest basketball forums in the world. It's not just a random site. I also don't give a shit whose name they gave credit to for the source. My point is that both of those trades are ones that random fans have kicked around this whole season. Scotto or whatever, likely didn't actually hear anything from the teams but is instead TSpencing by reporting trade ideas that "just make sense" are rumors so if they happen he seems like a genius and if they don't, the ideas were so obvious that no one doubts they were discussed.

Haha it has gotten pretty bad these days. The crap that makes it to Bleacher Report is pathetic. Surprised ST hasn’t been quoted as a source for rumours on some of these sites. Clutchpoints has to be the worst Spurs articles ever but PTR is not far behind.

[mo7888]

Portland and Nola in discussions on McCollum

Woj

[Leetonidas]

Isn't Prince a SA native?

Not sure if he's a native but he graduated from same high school I did (Warren)

[KingKev]

Portland and Nola in discussions on McCollum

Woj

Apparently Pacers interested also per ESPN. I could see the Pacers pulling an OKC and trying to cycle through some vets to accumulate assets. McCollum as your best player putting up 25 a game and playing no D would be a solid tank commander you could flip at a later date.

[mo7888]

The New Orleans Pelicans are finalizing a deal to acquire Portland Trail Blazers guard CJ McCollum for a package around Josh Hart and draft compensation, sources tell

Shams

[exstatic]

I think the only things that might happen tomorrow that include the Spurs would be something revolving around Thad, or some tax trades. Lakers and Philly are both within $2-3M of being under the tax. Their bills aren’t exorbitant, but the payout is $10M if they can sneak under.

[mo7888]

Apparently Pacers interested also per ESPN. I could see the Pacers pulling an OKC and trying to cycle through some vets to accumulate assets. McCollum as your best player putting up 25 a game and playing no D would be a solid tank commander you could flip at a later date.

Not a bad idea...but it looks like Nola got him...Portland is embracing the tank with that package...I'm sticking with my blow it up prediction that the move Lillard this summer.

[Leetonidas]

* Jakob Poeltl remains highly coveted on the trade market. Chicago has recently been mentioned as another interested team in addition to Toronto and Charlotte. The Bulls are searching for reinforcements in the frontcourt.

From Fischer. Highly doubt anyone is going to meet the Spurs asking price, especially if no one wants to give up a couple firsts for Myles Turner who teams probably value more

[rankingtear]

Haha it has gotten pretty bad these days. The crap that makes it to Bleacher Report is pathetic. Surprised ST hasn’t been quoted as a source for rumours on some of these sites. Clutchpoints has to be the worst Spurs articles ever but PTR is not far behind.

Fischer from Bleacher has been on point on this rumors. - McCollum trade , Reddish trade, Covington trade, Levert trade.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2953236-nba-trade-intel-cj-mccollum-has-become-best-player-likely-dealt-at-deadline , reported framework of the deal before Sham

[MannyIsGod]

We'll see how committed to the tank they are. If the Spurs really want to challenge for a top 5 pick, they almost certainly have to ship Poeltl out, IMO.

[CGD]

From Fischer. Highly doubt anyone is going to meet the Spurs asking price, especially if no one wants to give up a couple firsts for Myles Turner who teams probably value more

Spurs probably looking at something like these meh “best offers” from each:

CHI: crappy 2022 POR pick + redundant Cony White

TOR: protected 2023 FRP + Achuiwa + Dagic’s K for Thad/Jak

CHA: PJ + very crappy NOLA 2022 FRP

[CGD]

Anyone else just want the deadline to pass? I’m not expecting much tomorrow but damn I've wasted alot of time reading articles, looking at cap situations, scenarios and hypothetical transactions lol.

Get me a far out second and an expiring for Thad and I’ll be satisfied.

LOL, yes. With you there’s. The trade/free agency stuff has become a bigger part of my fandom after big 3 era ended.

I’ll probably go back to making some mediocre Primo or Zollins takes here or there, until it’s draft time :-)

[exstatic]

We'll see how committed to the tank they are. If the Spurs really want to challenge for a top 5 pick, they almost certainly have to ship Poeltl out, IMO.

They’re actually positioned pretty well, assuming Dame returns for Portland in the relative near future. That would mean that neither Portland, nor New Orleans are tanking, meaning short of some shocking acquisitions, we shouldn’t slip lower that 7th in the standings. That gives us a great shot to jump up.

[MannyIsGod]

They’re actually positioned pretty well, assuming Dame returns for Portland in the relative near future. That would mean that neither Portland, nor New Orleans are tanking, meaning short of some shocking acquisitions, we shouldn’t slip lower that 7th in the standings. That gives us a great shot to jump up.

Pretty sure they shut Dame down for the year and their recent trade signals total tank. Especially when they trade CJ and possibly Nurk.

[rankingtear]

They’re actually positioned pretty well, assuming Dame returns for Portland in the relative near future. That would mean that neither Portland, nor New Orleans are tanking, meaning short of some shocking acquisitions, we shouldn’t slip lower that 7th in the standings. That gives us a great shot to jump up.

POR not likely, they want to keep their pick this year. Keep Jakob and fight with NO for 10 seed or trade him and sink to that bottom 5 record.