Might as well go for the #1 pick at this point

[kht]

We can't beat Golden State's G-League team. The 100 level seats are empty almost every night. I even heard "Let's go HEAT" chants tonight.

We're about a stone throw away from the worst record in the league. Might as well go hard for the #1 pick at this point, or we might become the Seattle Spurs in 3 years or less.

We need to continue to play Thad and hopes that he can be turned into a 1st. We need to see what we have in Hernangomez. Primo and Devin need 30 minutes a night. We should dangle Lonnie in front of teams to see what we can get for him because I don't see us overpaying for him to keep him.

[slick'81]

Gonna take an injury to one of the big 3 for that to happen

[MannyIsGod]

Fairly impossible for the Spurs to finish with a top 4 worst record. Fifth is probably the best we can do, and then you just hope the lottery goes our way.

[Leetonidas]

The team with the very worst record usually doesnt get the #1 pick. we'll likely be in the top 5 either way

[timtonymanu]

The team with the very worst record usually doesnt get the #1 pick. we'll likely be in the top 5 either way

Also wouldn’t be surprised if that fairy Silver made sure we didn’t get the 1st pick

[MultiTroll]

Fairly impossible for the Spurs to finish with a top 4 worst record. Fifth is probably the best we can do, and then you just hope the lottery goes our way.
We're not going to out tank the bottom 4 true.

Even with Popped.

[Robz4000]

Also wouldn’t be surprised if that fairy Silver made sure we didn’t get the 1st pick


Wouldn't shock me if they don't even get a top 10 pick tbh. Anything to hasten the Spurs' move out of San Antonio.

[KobesAchilles]

Wouldn't shock me if they don't even get a top 10 pick tbh. Anything to hasten the Spurs' move out of San Antonio.
Good news is there’s only 3 tanking teams in the East this year. That helps. Bc there’s 5 in the west and we are one of them. It’s a battle between us the Pels and the Kings. As long as we don’t draft a white guy with our top pick im ok

[Robz4000]

Good news is there’s only 3 tanking teams in the East this year. That helps. Bc there’s 5 in the west and we are one of them. It’s a battle between us the Pels and the Kings. As long as we don’t draft a white guy with our top pick im ok


Spurs could finish with the worst record and I wouldn't be shocked if Silver manipulated things to keep the Spurs out of the top 4.

[KobesAchilles]

Spurs could finish with the worst record and I wouldn't be shocked if Silver manipulated things to keep the Spurs out of the top 4.
Is that possible? I agree that Silver hates us tbh. I remember in 2014 when he said nice things about us I was like this lying sack of shit. My only solace is that Silver is the worst commissioner in sports

[Robz4000]

Is that possible? I agree that Silver hates us tbh. I remember in 2014 when he said nice things about us I was like this lying sack of shit. My only solace is that Silver is the worst commissioner in sports


Odds of getting a top 4 pick with the worst record is only 52%. They could conceivably rig it so the worst team lands outside the top 8 and it wouldn't be unbelievable iirc.

[offset formation]

Good news is there’s only 3 tanking teams in the East this year. That helps. Bc there’s 5 in the west and we are one of them. It’s a battle between us the Pels and the Kings. As long as we don’t draft a white guy with our top pick im ok

Which was a choice. We should have been playing Primo, Weiskamp, Cacock, Landale, 15-20 min pee night.

We'd be bottom 3. Pop's shenanigans are gonna be just good enough to have us selecting about 3 picks better than last year when we were in a play-in game.

Pop doesn't know how to tank.

[talkspurs]

Odds of getting a top 4 pick with the worst record is only 52%. They could conceivably rig it so the worst team lands outside the top 8 and it wouldn't be unbelievable iirc.

only the top 4 are selected by lottery so the worst team can get no worse then the 5th pick.

[HemisfairArena]

Sad thing is Popovich the overrated is actually trying to win these games to get his record and every game exposes him for the fraud he is.

[Russ]

The worst team only has a 40% chance of getting a top 3 pick. Not the No. 1 pick, just a top 3 pick.

[KingKev]

There is no clear top pick in this draft so who fking cares. Optimize your chances at a top 5 pick and go from there.

[MannyIsGod]

Good news is there’s only 3 tanking teams in the East this year. That helps. Bc there’s 5 in the west and we are one of them. It’s a battle between us the Pels and the Kings. As long as we don’t draft a white guy with our top pick im ok

Kings def arne't tanking tho. They may make a trade to try to make the playoffs. Pels aren't really tanking either tbh.

[KobesAchilles]

Kings def arne't tanking tho. They may make a trade to try to make the playoffs. Pels aren't really tanking either tbh.
They are really badly run and have shitty coaching/players. They may not be purposefully tanking but by proxy of how shitty a franchise these 2 teams are, make no mistake,
they are tanking

[Chinook]

I mean, yeah, I think once the team got about 20 or so games in, it became a long shot to make a playoff run. Only the play-in and the fact that teams like SAC can't seem to win even when they're trying to desperately is giving the Spurs any chance. They shouldn't make any move with the idea of winning games this season.

That said, I think people might have some misconceptions about the draft. The higher up you go, the more likely you are to get jumped, just like the lower down you go, the less likely you are to jump teams. Yes, the lotto chances of the top-three teams are equal in terms of getting a top-four pick, but the worst team is guaranteed a top-five pick whereas the second-worst team has a 20 percent chance of missing a top-five pick, the third-worst team has a .333 chance. Once you get out of that top-three, the fall-off is fast. If SA gets the fifth lottery slot, the odds of getting a top-five pick are only 44 percent. The sixth-slot only has a 37-percent chance of getting a top-four pick (they can't get the fifth pick at all).

The Spurs need to get into the top-three picks to give themselves strong odds of getting a top-five pick and having a great chance at the best players. I still wouldn't be against a Collins or Sabonis trade if the price were right, but the team shouldn't be looking for any win-now help. They've seemingly used up all their lottery luck on Tim and David and need the odds on their side this time around.

[SpurPadre]

Fairly impossible for the Spurs to finish with a top 4 worst record. Fifth is probably the best we can do, and then you just hope the lottery goes our way.

Considering we're equal in the loss column with Okc for 4th pick, saying we're "fairly impossible" to get it is a bit strong, IMO.

[tbdog]

Which was a choice. We should have been playing Primo, Weiskamp, Cacock, Landale, 15-20 min pee night.

We'd be bottom 3. Pop's shenanigans are gonna be just good enough to have us selecting about 3 picks better than last year when we were in a play-in game.

Pop doesn't know how to tank.

I am not sure why they should play over White/Murray/Johnson/Poeltl/Walker. Maybe Mcdermott is our only vet we probably shouldn't play if tanking is what we want to achieve. But he isn't exactly making the team better. He doesn't raise the ceiling of the team. And besides, our young players need to learn to play with a player like Mcdermott.

[KingKev]

Which was a choice. We should have been playing Primo, Weiskamp, Cacock, Landale, 15-20 min pee night.

We'd be bottom 3. Pop's shenanigans are gonna be just good enough to have us selecting about 3 picks better than last year when we were in a play-in game.

Pop doesn't know how to tank.

We were not in the play-in last year. This year was about White, Walker, Keldon, Vassell and Jak. Most Spurs fans think that is a future championship core but it just isn’t; atleast we know what we have and can make informed decisions going forward.

[MannyIsGod]

We were not in the play-in last year. This year was about White, Walker, Keldon, Vassell and Jak. Most Spurs fans think that is a future championship core but it just isn’t; atleast we know what we have and can make informed decisions going forward.

You keep saying this but who are those Spurs fans because they aren't here.

[HemisfairArena]

If Pop is still the coach, our #1 draft pick will be ruined like he's ruined the last 5 #1 draft picks,,,,,he even ran off Kawhi.

[KingKev]

You keep saying this but who are those Spurs fans because they aren't here.

lol they were in full force thru early Jan, especially after any win. There is a reason some aren’t here now. Some of them are chit chatting in the newly created tank thread. A 3 game win streak and they will be right back.

[couchman]

Remember that 5th worst record can easily = 6th pick because some team almost always jumps into the top 4.
Two teams have actually jumped the line the last few years.
Hopefully it is the Spurs this year making that jump.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Remember that 5th worst record can easily = 6th pick because some team almost always jumps into the top 4.
Two teams have actually jumped the line the last few years.
Hopefully it is the Spurs this year making that jump.

Yeah, if you have the 5th best odds the most likely draft position is 7th, 2nd most likely is 6th. There's a way bigger chance to jump up (42%) or down (56%) than to stay at 5 - only 2.2%.

[exstatic]

Odds of getting a top 4 pick with the worst record is only 52%. They could conceivably rig it so the worst team lands outside the top 8 and it wouldn't be unbelievable iirc.

That can’t ever happen. If you’re #1, your worst position is #5, period. Four teams from outside the top 4 would have to jump into the top 4, which is mathematically possible, but if all 4 top 4 teams are knocked out, #1 still stays ahead of 2,3,4, so no worse than 5th overall.

The #1 team has never picked first since the odds were flattened 3 drafts ago. The #7 team has jumped into the top 4 all 3 drafts with the new odds. Tanking hard isn’t a guarantee of anything the way it used to be. All we really have to do is drift between 5 and 7, and we’ll have pretty good odds for top 4.

[John B]

That can’t ever happen. If you’re #1, your worst position is #5, period. Four teams from outside the top 4 would have to jump into the top 4, which is mathematically possible, but if all 4 top 4 teams are knocked out, #1 still stays ahead of 2,3,4, so no worse than 5th overall.

The #1 team has never picked first since the odds were flattened 3 drafts ago. The #7 team has jumped into the top 4 all 3 drafts with the new odds. Tanking hard isn’t a guarantee of anything the way it used to be. All we really have to do is drift between 5 and 7, and we’ll have pretty good odds for top 4.

Let’s go tank for Chet then!

[slick'81]

Let’s go tank for Chet then!

zach collins says nu-uh

[TD 21]

They kind of inadvertently are and either way, top 4 odds are almost certainly out of reach anyway. Best they can do is stave off 3 others for 5th.

It's past time to start complaining about bad breaks and lack of respect. Murray not making All-Star was predictable, but the way Pop conceded it weeks ago was disgusting and while it may seem inconsequential, Vassel not making Rising Stars was even worse.

At some point, somebody in this organization needs to break character, grow a pair of balls and stand up for themselves. They're missing the big picture on this stuff and they can't afford to.

[exstatic]

They kind of inadvertently are and either way, top 4 odds are almost certainly out of reach anyway. Best they can do is stave off 3 others for 5th.

It's past time to start complaining about bad breaks and lack of respect. Murray not making All-Star was predictable, but the way Pop conceded it weeks ago was disgusting and while it may seem inconsequential, Vassel not making Rising Stars was even worse.

At some point, somebody in this organization needs to break character, grow a pair of balls and stand up for themselves. They're missing the big picture on this stuff and they can't afford to.

Rising Stars means nothing. No one will remember the game or anything about it by the end of the season. ASG isn’t much better.

[TD 21]

Rising Stars means nothing. No one will remember the game or anything about it by the end of the season. ASG isn’t much better.

That's not how I meant it. The point was and is, it clearly means something to players, especially non obvious selections on non glamour markets, to get some sort of national recognition.

That's been an issue here for a while, it's only getting worse and it's a major impediment to getting and more importantly retaining to stars going forward.

[daslicer]

That's not how I meant it. The point was and is, it clearly means something to players, especially non obvious selections on non glamour markets, to get some sort of national recognition.

That's been an issue here for a while, it's only getting worse and it's a major impediment to getting and more importantly retaining to stars going forward.

Agreed a lot of Spur fans don't get it that these players care a lot about these accolades. They think because Duncan, Manu didn't care about these things that all other players are the same. Duncan and Manu were the exception to the rule, but these guys have egos, and they need the validation through getting these accolades. If they are not getting them in SA, then they will eventually leave.

[exstatic]

Remember that 5th worst record can easily = 6th pick because some team almost always jumps into the top 4.
Two teams have actually jumped the line the last few years.
Hopefully it is the Spurs this year making that jump.

EVERY YEAR, so far, with the new odds, at LEAST two teams have jumped into the top 4, and one year, three teams did. The best jump odds still lie in the first few picks outside of the 4 top ones. If we stay 5-7, we have a decent shot. 7 has jumped in all three years of the flattened odds.

[RC_Drunkford]

Pop doesn't care about his players accolades. He cares a lot about his own though, otherwise he wouldn't try so hard to get the record

[exstatic]

Pop doesn't care about his players accolades. He cares a lot about his own though, otherwise he wouldn't try so hard to get the record

You realize that he’s been eligible for the HOF for years, right? Coaches don’t have to wait until they retire. He’s chosen not to have his name submitted for consideration. Yeah, what a glory hound…

[Biggems]

I don't want #1 this year, I want it next year.

[Biggems]

Pop doesn't care about his players accolades. He cares a lot about his own though, otherwise he wouldn't try so hard to get the record

I am critical of many things Pop does, but you are way off base and wrong. Pop is not Phil Jackson, he us not a glory whore. He has consistently stated that his players and staff have made him look great, specifically Tim Duncan. He has also made it clear that he won't go into the HOF until the big 3 all get in. Not only does he coach his players, but he is a father figure in their lives. He also does this for players on other teams. He is gracious with all firmer players and coaches. So, while I have issues with certain things he does, on this topic, he gets an A+ with me.

One more thing, if he only cared about this record, why would he be the coach who started the resting players trend, which cost him many wins over the years?

[RC_Drunkford]

You realize that he’s been eligible for the HOF for years, right? Coaches don’t have to wait until they retire. He’s chosen not to have his name submitted for consideration. Yeah, what a glory hound…

he'll obviously do that once he retires. But him preaching all this players who are over themselves shit while clearly not being over himself is hilarious to me

[paperboy77]

Good news is there’s only 3 tanking teams in the East this year. That helps. Bc there’s 5 in the west and we are one of them. It’s a battle between us the Pels and the Kings. As long as we don’t draft a white guy with our top pick im ok

I take my like back. Chet is pretty good.

[MultiTroll]

You realize that he’s been eligible for the HOF for years, right? Coaches don’t have to wait until they retire. He’s chosen not to have his name submitted for consideration.
That's soo humble.


False humility has become the default mode among celebrities, along with a no less terrible kind of false gratitude.Times, Sunday Times

[KobesAchilles]

I take my like back. Chet is pretty good.
I mean doesn’t he have injury written all over him though? Like is that an NBA body? That’s my main concern with him. Also (smaller concerns I suppose) this isn’t the early 00s. Big guys just aren’t as valuable anymore. I know he can shoot but I see him more as a role player than a star. I’d rather get an explosive PG

[paperboy77]

I mean doesn’t he have injury written all over him though? Like is that an NBA body? That’s my main concern with him. Also (smaller concerns I suppose) this isn’t the early 00s. Big guys just aren’t as valuable anymore. I know he can shoot but I see him more as a role player than a star. I’d rather get an explosive PG

Yeah I get what you mean but he does kinda have the “it” factor. I think SA needs to stop out thinking themselves and take a risk.. swing for the fences. Chet mind be everything you say BUT if he can somehow avoid that he might be a real star. I’m not married to that pick but I’d do it.

I saw somewhere where they projected SA picking Mathurin from AZ. I think that’s a big strong 6-6, 6-7 G/SF we desperately need. Of course only if we are past picking 4th or so. Of course by picking a classic sized G we’ll have to package his predecessors for a very good 6-9 or 10 PF to complete the team. (Bye Bye Kelden and White/Walker)

Either way, Spurs absolutely have to turn this thing around in a big way. Soon. And in no way do we need another PG.

[KobesAchilles]

Yeah I get what you mean but he does kinda have the “it” factor. I think SA needs to stop out thinking themselves and take a risk.. swing for the fences. Chet mind be everything you say BUT if he can somehow avoid that he might be a real star. I’m not married to that pick but I’d do it.

I saw somewhere where they projected SA picking Mathurin from AZ. I think that’s a big strong 6-6, 6-7 G/SF we desperately need. Of course only if we are past picking 4th or so. Of course by picking a classic sized G we’ll have to package his predecessors for a very good 6-9 or 10 PF to complete the team. (Bye Bye Kelden and White/Walker)

Either way, Spurs absolutely have to turn this thing around in a big way. Soon. And in no way do we need another PG.
See I believe it’s that mentality that has hurt the Spurs to begin with. They keep trying to band aid everything instead of just dealing with the issue as a whole. There is no way to fix this soon. None

Even of Chet is a superstar, that still doesn’t fix anything soon. Luka is a superstar and he can’t fix Dallas. Joker took time. Giannis took time. KD took time. Harden took time. Curry took time. Kawhi took time. PG13 took time. The days of a Lebron or a Timmy (even Dave) coming in and turning a franchise around are over.

You have to ask yourself what pieces do we have that can help going forward and which players value can be replaced? White and Murray seem to be a great combination of PG just not at the same time. White is a bench player. Lonnie can be replaced easily. Keldon needs to be benched as well.

Can Murray be moved to the SG? If we drafted a Morant type player then wouldn’t that solve a lot of our issues. I believe we do need a point guard bc Murray can’t ever be one without learning how to dribble. The dude just can’t get to the teeth of the paint at will. He doesn’t suck in multiple defenders, he can’t break down a zone, he can’t dribble past his man consistently. And tbh be never will be able to.

But he can be a GREAT secondary playmaker. He has learned to shoot. Having someone assist for him would be great. Having someone else run the offense while he focuses on what he is strong at would be great. I feel like we are asking too much from Murray. Stuff he will never be able to do and are setting him up for failure (and I’m not talking numbers wise) I’m talking winning wise. He has ZERO players on his team that can make up for his shortcomings. I think it would be nice to have one of these quick athletic guards who can dribble and finish strong and get to the line. It would be a franchise game changer.

If there’s none this draft then us selecting Chet won’t stop us from having a good lotto pick next year. Bc he is far far away from being a franchise player. So hopefully we both get what we want.

[kht]

Yeah I get what you mean but he does kinda have the “it” factor. I think SA needs to stop out thinking themselves and take a risk.. swing for the fences. Chet mind be everything you say BUT if he can somehow avoid that he might be a real star. I’m not married to that pick but I’d do it.

I saw somewhere where they projected SA picking Mathurin from AZ. I think that’s a big strong 6-6, 6-7 G/SF we desperately need. Of course only if we are past picking 4th or so. Of course by picking a classic sized G we’ll have to package his predecessors for a very good 6-9 or 10 PF to complete the team. (Bye Bye Kelden and White/Walker)

Either way, Spurs absolutely have to turn this thing around in a big way. Soon. And in no way do we need another PG.

That's exactly how we ended up with Luka lmfao. Draft a 6'8" or taller athletic big and call it a day. No need to overthink it and go CIA pop.

[paperboy77]

That's exactly how we ended up with Luka lmfao. Draft a 6'8" or taller athletic big and call it a day. No need to overthink it and go CIA pop.

You can't compare Chet to Luka. Luka was completely unknown while Chet is and has been playing some top competition. I don't get your point really.

[paperboy77]

See I believe it’s that mentality that has hurt the Spurs to begin with. They keep trying to band aid everything instead of just dealing with the issue as a whole. There is no way to fix this soon. None

Even of Chet is a superstar, that still doesn’t fix anything soon. Luka is a superstar and he can’t fix Dallas. Joker took time. Giannis took time. KD took time. Harden took time. Curry took time. Kawhi took time. PG13 took time. The days of a Lebron or a Timmy (even Dave) coming in and turning a franchise around are over.

You have to ask yourself what pieces do we have that can help going forward and which players value can be replaced? White and Murray seem to be a great combination of PG just not at the same time. White is a bench player. Lonnie can be replaced easily. Keldon needs to be benched as well.

Can Murray be moved to the SG? If we drafted a Morant type player then wouldn’t that solve a lot of our issues. I believe we do need a point guard bc Murray can’t ever be one without learning how to dribble. The dude just can’t get to the teeth of the paint at will. He doesn’t suck in multiple defenders, he can’t break down a zone, he can’t dribble past his man consistently. And tbh be never will be able to.

But he can be a GREAT secondary playmaker. He has learned to shoot. Having someone assist for him would be great. Having someone else run the offense while he focuses on what he is strong at would be great. I feel like we are asking too much from Murray. Stuff he will never be able to do and are setting him up for failure (and I’m not talking numbers wise) I’m talking winning wise. He has ZERO players on his team that can make up for his shortcomings. I think it would be nice to have one of these quick athletic guards who can dribble and finish strong and get to the line. It would be a franchise game changer.

If there’s none this draft then us selecting Chet won’t stop us from having a good lotto pick next year. Bc he is far far away from being a franchise player. So hopefully we both get what we want.

Well if you're gonna tell me Morant in this years draft then I'm all in for that.. but there isn't. Also, I don't mean Chet (or whoever) is going to take us over the top immediately but I do think combining Murray with a star is a great start. Your criticism of Murray is unfair due to the rest of the team sucking. He's very good 2nd or a great 3rd option. Either way he's a must have on a contender team.

The teams you mention are still chasing but what more do you want? Only 1 team can win the title and everyone else gets to try and dethrone them. I'm just saying take a risk with the pick, trade KJ/White/Lonnie while people still overrate them for a solid whatever-we-need.

[KobesAchilles]

Well if you're gonna tell me Morant in this years draft then I'm all in for that.. but there isn't. Also, I don't mean Chet (or whoever) is going to take us over the top immediately but I do think combining Murray with a star is a great start. Your criticism of Murray is unfair due to the rest of the team sucking. He's very good 2nd or a great 3rd option. Either way he's a must have on a contender team.

The teams you mention are still chasing but what more do you want? Only 1 team can win the title and everyone else gets to try and dethrone them. I'm just saying take a risk with the pick, trade KJ/White/Lonnie while people still overrate them for a solid whatever-we-need.
I’m not critical of Murray whatsoever. It’s just a fact that he isn’t a good dribbler and can’t get into the teeth of the defense consistently. He just isn’t a point guard. He has now developed into a very solid player. But I think we are just asking too much of him. I think he would be better suited as a scoring 2 guard. He could be a Derozan (offensively) with a 3ball tbh. That would be a hell of a player.

I haven’t watched college ball in years. I have no idea who is available tbh. I agree that to combine Murray with a star is the optimal play. What I’m saying though is that even if we draft a star, that player will take years to become a star. There’s no such thing as an instant star anymore. Short of Lebron I can’t think of one. The closest I suppose is Morant or Luka. So if we draft Chet he could take 3-4 years to be an all star (if he becomes one). The best situation is a 96 year I suppose for everyone else but Chet and then we get a solid player in the draft two years in a row while having Murray.

Or we could end up like Minny and the Kings…

[paperboy77]

About Murray... I guess I'm just stuck on how Phil Jackson use to use the PG spot. Didn't really have a true PG just a tall versatile play initiator.

[BackHome]

Yeah but they had Jordan who would break peoples ankles or punish a smaller player and could easily get into the paint.

[John B]

Yeah but they had Jordan who would break peoples ankles or punish a smaller player and could easily get into the paint.

Likewise Kobe who mimicked Jordan. Phil Jackson :lmao. The guy was the Forrest Gump of coaches

[Dejounte]

Murray is top 4 in assists and 2nd in AST/TO (meaning he’s able to dribble in traffic) yet he’s still not a PG :lmao

[exstatic]

Murray is top 4 in assists and 2nd in AST/TO (meaning he’s able to dribble in traffic) yet he’s still not a PG :lmao
Traffic is about the only place he can’t dribble. He’s a good passer to the perimeter, and although he commits few turnovers, I’d say most of them are dribbling in traffic, or forcing a pass in traffic.

You can train a SG to run a basic pick and roll, and make some basic reads, but that doesn’t make them a PG. This has been spotlighted by the fact that an 18 YO kid came into camp this year and displayed real court vision this year. He just makes passes that DJ would never even see as open, and he’ll take the ball out of his hands in a year or maybe two.

[talkspurs]

Murray is top 4 in assists and 2nd in AST/TO (meaning he’s able to dribble in traffic) yet he’s still not a PG :lmao

You have to forgive some of these people. They hate DJ so much they will never be able to see what he has become. He will hopefully be our PG for many years.

[exstatic]

You have to forgive some of these people. They hate DJ so much they will never be able to see what he has become. He will hopefully be our PG for many years.

The one thing that shocked me about the other night was that DJ refused to run PnR with Zollins. Waved him off a couple of times. A PnR is the most basic play for a PG.

[KobesAchilles]

Murray is top 4 in assists and 2nd in AST/TO (meaning he’s able to dribble in traffic) yet he’s still not a PG :lmao
Nah my man DJ still can’t really do that. Compare him to other top PGs in this aspect. He just can’t do what they can. He has other strengths to be sure. But he isn’t splitting double teams, finishing through traffic, and collapsing the defense enough. He has definitely improved his finishing ability and that’s great. Next on the list is to be able to suck in like 3 defenders on him and be a threat to either finish around the rim (like Tony used to) or pass out to someone other than Poeltl.

It’s not really the assist to TO ratio (though that is important bc we don’t want a Westbrook) but he makes the simple play too many times. It’s a step in the right direction to be sure but he isn’t an advanced passer at all. I would say he is equal to Westbrook in passing (they make very similar passes and plays tbh) Also, and this is definitely only me, I would like to see his turnovers go up and him practice different passes and dribbling lanes and things of this nature. It’s a lost season anyways, might as well get in game reps on this stuff.

[Dejounte]

Traffic is about the only place he can’t dribble. He’s a good passer to the perimeter, and although he commits few turnovers, I’d say most of them are dribbling in traffic, or forcing a pass in traffic.

You can train a SG to run a basic pick and roll, and make some basic reads, but that doesn’t make them a PG. This has been spotlighted by the fact that an 18 YO kid came into camp this year and displayed real court vision this year. He just makes passes that DJ would never even see as open, and he’ll take the ball out of his hands in a year or maybe two.

What you’re seeing from Primo is a mirage of highlight reel type passes similar to what we’ve seen from Lonnie. Neither are point guards who will set up the offense for you. Their passes are what you need from your SGs/wings when you need to break the defense open when mere set up of the offense isn’t working. We’ve seen these passes before from Lonnie and thoughts of him being a point died quick when it was clear he didn’t have the instincts for it and to lead like Murray does. If you watch Primo out there, he looks more than happy to compliment Murray and they work together well. When Murray needs a break from ball handling, as he often does, he defers to other players such as White and Lonnie. All these unnecessary statements of Primo taking duties from Murray when Murray has shown he’s a player willing to defer to others (and generously, I might add) are unfounded.

[couchman]

Unreal that people think a guy averaging 9 assists a game is not cut out for PG. Srsly!?!

DJM is an All-Star level PG.
If we need more dribble drive penetration on the team (I think we do) we should look to upgrade the 2 and 3 positions on the floor where we do not have All-Star level play right now.

[exstatic]

Unreal that people think a guy averaging 9 assists a game is not cut out for PG. Srsly!?!

DJM is an All-Star level PG.
If we need more dribble drive penetration on the team (I think we do) we should look to upgrade the 2 and 3 positions on the floor where we do not have All-Star level play right now.

He’s a SG with the ball in his hands all of the time, and he makes few mistakes. He also misses a shit ton of open perimeter players. This is literally the first year he’s been able to run the PnR with Jak well. White was running it at a high level his first full year in SA, and is one of the best PnR ball handlers in the NBA in all aspects, screen accepted, screen declined, pull up J.

[RC_Drunkford]

I’m not critical of Murray whatsoever. It’s just a fact that he isn’t a good dribbler and can’t get into the teeth of the defense consistently. He just isn’t a point guard. He has now developed into a very solid player. But I think we are just asking too much of him. I think he would be better suited as a scoring 2 guard. He could be a Derozan (offensively) with a 3ball tbh. That would be a hell of a player.

I haven’t watched college ball in years. I have no idea who is available tbh. I agree that to combine Murray with a star is the optimal play. What I’m saying though is that even if we draft a star, that player will take years to become a star. There’s no such thing as an instant star anymore. Short of Lebron I can’t think of one. The closest I suppose is Morant or Luka. So if we draft Chet he could take 3-4 years to be an all star (if he becomes one). The best situation is a 96 year I suppose for everyone else but Chet and then we get a solid player in the draft two years in a row while having Murray.

Or we could end up like Minny and the Kings…

averages 9 assists per game with the 2nd lowest AST to TO rate

Spurstalk: He's not a PG

[KobesAchilles]

I mean Harden averages a lot of assists. So does Westbrix. He runs the show at a basic level. Idk what to tell you if you think there isn’t a ceiling to his dribbling and penetrating the defense. His passing is basic as well. It’s a lot of first read passing and not so much the harder passes that we need him to make. To me, low turnovers is a problem this year. Manu turned the ball over a lot but the dude could pass. I want DJ to break out his comfort and try some harder passes in game. He has the height to make some Lebron like passes. Just over the head of his defender. just not the smarts.

[KobesAchilles]

Also fuck Exstatic is agreeing with me. Usually not a good thing. But dammit I agree with his post

[exstatic]

Not so thrilled to be on the same page, either. :lol

[HemisfairArena]

Weak draft,,,,no game changers,,,,it'll be the 2016 draft part 2 with players like Simmons, Ingram, and Brown going top 3. Dont expect a franchise player regardless where the Spurs draft.

[John B]

I mean Harden averages a lot of assists. So does Westbrix. He runs the show at a basic level. Idk what to tell you if you think there isn’t a ceiling to his dribbling and penetrating the defense. His passing is basic as well. It’s a lot of first read passing and not so much the harder passes that we need him to make. To me, low turnovers is a problem this year. Manu turned the ball over a lot but the dude could pass. I want DJ to break out his comfort and try some harder passes in game. He has the height to make some Lebron like passes. Just over the head of his defender. just not the smarts.

I hate Harden but those crazy bounce passes through traffic. Harden has very quick and accurate hands. I’ve seen DJM trying those and getting turnovers. And if Spurs get Collins, DJ needs those CP3/Nash lob passes, especially if they trade DWhite out.

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean Harden averages a lot of assists. So does Westbrix. He runs the show at a basic level. Idk what to tell you if you think there isn’t a ceiling to his dribbling and penetrating the defense. His passing is basic as well. It’s a lot of first read passing and not so much the harder passes that we need him to make. To me, low turnovers is a problem this year. Manu turned the ball over a lot but the dude could pass. I want DJ to break out his comfort and try some harder passes in game. He has the height to make some Lebron like passes. Just over the head of his defender. just not the smarts.

Westbrick averages 7.7 AST on 4.1 TOs. That's significantly worse than DJ

[KobesAchilles]

Westbrick averages 7.7 AST on 4.1 TOs. That's significantly worse than DJ
There’s no doubt that DJ takes care of the ball better than Westbrook. My point in Westbrook is that he and DJ play similar when it comes to PG. basic bounce passes, no real court vision, kinda robotic in a sense that there’s no real creativity in their play making. Westbrook is a PG but like is he really? :lol

Murray is a PG but I think if we had someone else running the point, like a Mike Conley type for instance, that DJ would be better suited for it. His numbers might go down assists wise but I think if he focused solely on scoring/defense with some secondary playmaking then he could be the best SG in the league.