why are super red states dystopian hellholes?

[RandomGuy]

Lower educational attainment, higher child mortality, higher rates of poverty, and fuck, have you ever driven on roads in Oklahoma?

[Thread]

BLUE New York slabbed & tagged another 200+ yesterday, RG.

tee, hee.

[RandomGuy]

BLUE New York slabbed & tagged another 200+ yesterday, RG.

tee, hee.


Looks like more good guys with guns isn't making us any safer.

1491137319977779202

Texas bags vastly more per year.

[RandomGuy]

Residents of blue states live longer than their counterparts in red states—a result of social programs and policies that promote health, a new study suggests.

The study (published in the journal Milbank Quarterly on Tuesday) found that in the states where people live longest, there are more progressive policies, including stricter environmental regulations, tougher gun-safety laws and protections for workers and minorities.

For example: California has one of the highest average life expectancies in the country (81.3 years). It also had the most liberal policies in the nation in 2014, the most recent year the study examined.
"The overarching conclusion is clear: States that have invested in their populations' social and economic well-being by enacting more liberal policies over time tend to be the same states that have made considerable gains in life expectancy," said the study's authors.

https://www.eatthis.com/blue-states-life-expectancy/

Add in the COVID death rates to the already poor performance of shitty Republican policies, wow.

[Thread]

Texas bags vastly more per year.

BLUE state Illinois slabbed & tagged another 100+ yesterday, RG.

tee, hee.

[RandomGuy]

If you live in a red state and in the rural areas, you're fucked. Imagine, being a poor stupid fuck for life. :lol


What the data does reveal is that the red and blue state divide is that the political decisions made by voters have real cultural impacts. Republican-governed states have adopted cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations while slashing education budgets as a standard policy. In Louisiana, Gov. Bobby Jindal created a budget hole through tax cuts for the wealthy that nearly wrecked the state’s university system. Cuts to public education are usually one of the first orders of business undertaken by newly elected Republican governors.

In a broader context, the Republican Party has transitioned into the party of belief. Republicans have stopped relying on facts to support their policies. There is a definite distrust of the public education system. Republicans run their states based on a belief in conservative ideology, so it isn’t surprising that states that support a political party that has decided to create its own reality, have lower education rates.

The ten least educated states were:

10). Idaho

9). Indiana

8). Oklahoma

7). Alabama

6). Nevada

5). Louisiana

4). Kentucky

3). Arkansas

2). Mississippi

1). West Virginia

https://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/17/red-state-stupidity-confirmed-9-10-education-states-america-vote-republican.html

[RandomGuy]

BLUE state Illinois slabbed & tagged another 100+ yesterday, RG.

tee, hee.

Infant mortality rate in the United States as of 2019, by state
https://www.statista.com/statistics/252064/us-infant-mortality-rate-by-ethnicity-2011/

No blue state in the top 10.

Guess dead infants don't matter to you either.

[MultiTroll]

https://www.eatthis.com/blue-states-life-expectancy/

Add in the COVID death rates to the already poor performance of shitty Republican policies, wow.


https://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/17/red-state-stupidity-confirmed-9-10-education-states-america-vote-republican.html


Infant mortality rate in the United States as of 2019, by state
https://www.statista.com/statistics/252064/us-infant-mortality-rate-by-ethnicity-2011/

No blue state in the top 10.

Guess dead infants don't matter to you either.
Testify RG!

[RandomGuy]

Testify RG!

But wait, there's more.

Act now and get a free set of failed, discredited economic theories and shitty policies based on them:

Brownback's Failure in Kansas Dooms GOP Economics
https://www.newsweek.com/brownbacks-failure-kansas-dooms-gop-economics-628705

[Thread]

Testify RG!

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Thread]

https://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/17/red-state-stupidity-confirmed-9-10-education-states-america-vote-republican.html

BLUE state Pennsylvania slabbed & tagged another 196 yesterday, RG.

tee, hee.

[DMC]

Lower educational attainment, higher child mortality, higher rates of poverty, and fuck, have you ever driven on roads in Oklahoma?
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/us-road-conditions.html#:~:text=Kansas%20has%20the%20best% 20roads,Alabama%2C%20North%20Dakota%20and%20Kentuc ky.
What state has the worst roads?
The worst roads score high on pavement roughness and low on resident rankings. We also factored in how much states spend on road maintenance and their highway safety budgets. Drop down to the full rankings to see where your state lands.

https://i.imgur.com/znq9VTg.jpg

But let's use your anecdote instead.

[Trainwreck2100]

https://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/17/red-state-stupidity-confirmed-9-10-education-states-america-vote-republican.html

Did not expect Alabama to be that high, how bad do you have to be, to be worse than Alabama.

[boutons_deux]

Medicaid Expansion Has Saved at Least 19,000 Lives, New Research Finds

State Decisions Not to Expand Have Led to 15,000 Premature Deaths

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-4496796034372772313&th=17edfb6f12ac9457&view=fimg&fur=ip&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ_Z0y3ibXOestIzn46FELN6krwzm5XNhI2z3Ka CYC4uzouRpCDF4fAiOwUW7MAUk9IzuDg5XWwKnEHQHpyJMvlER MOvuIRoLqCuoHyJHqySUnxPUAKLFWZ1V3M&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kzfvna6n0
https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/medicaid-expansion-has-saved-at-least-19000-lives-new-research-finds

[koriwhat]

Lower educational attainment, higher child mortality, higher rates of poverty, and fuck, have you ever driven on roads in Oklahoma?

nothing compared to the back roads of Acapulco tbh.

[koriwhat]

Lower educational attainment, higher child mortality, higher rates of poverty, and fuck, have you ever driven on roads in Oklahoma?

or the mean streets of LA covered in human shit!

[koriwhat]

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[Thread]

or the mean streets of LA covered in human shit!

Tell it, kori.

Testify!!!

[RandomGuy]

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/us-road-conditions.html#:~:text=Kansas%20has%20the%20best% 20roads,Alabama%2C%20North%20Dakota%20and%20Kentuc ky.
What state has the worst roads?
The worst roads score high on pavement roughness and low on resident rankings. We also factored in how much states spend on road maintenance and their highway safety budgets. Drop down to the full rankings to see where your state lands.

https://i.imgur.com/znq9VTg.jpg

But let's use your anecdote instead.


RG: The roads suck in oklahoma, and man would you look at how bad infant mortality is in red states?

DMC: The roads aren't that bad in oklahoma.
:rolleyes

I will take that as your tacit admission that Republican policies in red states lead to more infant deaths.

Not that you would ever be honest enough to admit red team has almost universally shitty policy solutions.

[boutons_deux]

Based on the most recent data from 2018 the maternal mortality rate in the U.S. is 17.4 deaths per 100,000 births.




Louisiana (58.1 per 100k)
Georgia (48.4 per 100k)
Indiana (43.6 per 100k)
New Jersey (38.1 per 100k)
Arkansas (37.5 per 100k)
Alabama (36.4 per 100k)
Missouri (34.6 per 100k)
Texas (34.5 per 100k)


https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/maternal-mortality-rate-by-state

[boutons_deux]

RED STATES,pro-life, kill more babies (and mothers)

Infant Mortality Rates by State

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm)

[ElNono]

:lol @ anybody that wants to actually live in shitholes like Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc...

[DarrinS]

:lol @ anybody that wants to actually live in shitholes like Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc...

Tennessee is awesome, tbh

[Millennial_Messiah]

I've driven on roads in Oklahoma, and not just I-35. Even as recently as December through the Muskogee, Atoka, Durant way down through Missouri. They seem to be just fine.

Have you ever driven on roads in NY State, NJ, Massachusetts, blue dystopian states? Every road is a fucking toll road.... will set you back $13.50 to $21.00 every fuckin' toll plaza, and there's a shitload of them. Plus the gas prices on the turnpikes are insane because they are monopolized.


Tennessee is awesome, tbh

Nashville is. The rest of the state, meh. Memphis is ghetto and a flood plain. Knoxville is meh. Too far east and you're in hick land. It's fun to stop at a Miranda's adult store along I-40 in TN and look at all the cool dicks and dildos in there, tbh :lol

[DMC]

RG: The roads suck in oklahoma, and man would you look at how bad infant mortality is in red states?

DMC: The roads aren't that bad in oklahoma.
:rolleyes

I will take that as your tacit admission that Republican policies in red states lead to more infant deaths.

Not that you would ever be honest enough to admit red team has almost universally shitty policy solutions.

RG: Oklahoma is a dystopian hellhole because they are a red state, just look at how shitty their roads are.

DMC: Shows list of states with the worst road systems, most of them blue states.

RG: DMC is saying Oklahoma has great roads.

It's obvious your "bad roads equal dystopian hell hole" sentiment is misplaced.

Now cry some more.

[RandomGuy]

RG: Oklahoma is a dystopian hellhole because they are a red state, just look at how shitty their roads are.

DMC: Shows list of states with the worst road systems, most of them blue states.

RG: DMC is saying Oklahoma has great roads.

It's obvious your "bad roads equal dystopian hell hole" sentiment is misplaced.

Now cry some more.

you try.
so.
hard.

and still fail. Seriously, posts like this make me feel a little sorry for you.

[DMC]

you try.
so.
hard.

and still fail. Seriously, posts like this make me feel a little sorry for you.

https://i.imgur.com/Yr7dshV.jpg
Infant mortality rate by state

https://i.imgur.com/7EKnaoR.jpg
Black population by state

https://i.imgur.com/cYC9rYf.jpg

Infant mortality rate by race

You cry about CRT and BLM but if you had a brain cell you'd have made the connection and not considered this part of a red/blue issue.

You're basically a mid-functioning retard.

Now you need to run along and figure out why blacks have a higher infant mortality rate after you label the information racist.

[RandomGuy]

BLUE state Pennsylvania slabbed & tagged another 196 yesterday, RG.

tee, hee.

Pennyslvania Democrat/Republican vote split: 50-49

Republican vaccinated rate: 60%
Democrat vaccinated rate 90%

97 times more likely to die if not vaccinated.

1/98= 1%

1/% of 196 = 2

Two vaccinated people died. Statistically likely both were Democrats or vote that way.

194 left.

40% of Republicans weren't vaccinated. 10% of Democrats weren't vaccinated.

Given the roughly equal percentage of voters in the state, that means that of those 194, 80% were Republican, 20% Democrat.

155 Republicans dead in a day.
41 Democrats dead in a day.

tee, hee

[Leetonidas]

Interestingly, red states (especially in the south) have the highest instances of gay and BBC porn searches. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.imgur.com/Yr7dshV.jpg
Infant mortality rate by state

https://i.imgur.com/7EKnaoR.jpg
Black population by state

https://i.imgur.com/cYC9rYf.jpg

Infant mortality rate by race

You cry about CRT and BLM but if you had a brain cell you'd have made the connection and not considered this part of a red/blue issue.

You're basically a mid-functioning retard.

Now you need to run along and figure out why blacks have a higher infant mortality rate after you label the information racist.

Damn, those blacks are bringing Wyoming down.

[DMC]

Interestingly, red states (especially in the south) have the highest instances of gay and BBC porn searches. :lol

Notable that you're checking out gay and BBC porn searches.

[Thread]

Pennyslvania Democrat/Republican vote split: 50-49

Republican vaccinated rate: 60%
Democrat vaccinated rate 90%

97 times more likely to die if not vaccinated.

1/98= 1%

1/% of 196 = 2

Two vaccinated people died. Statistically likely both were Democrats or vote that way.

194 left.

40% of Republicans weren't vaccinated. 10% of Democrats weren't vaccinated.

Given the roughly equal percentage of voters in the state, that means that of those 194, 80% were Republican, 20% Democrat.

155 Republicans dead in a day.
41 Democrats dead in a day.

tee, hee

...I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[MultiTroll]

RG serving Thread a coffee via enema.

[DMC]

RG running from facts :lol

[ChumpDumper]

DMC will never explain why he thinks black infant mortality is high.

Because he's a pussy.

[ElNono]

Nashville is. The rest of the state, meh. Memphis is ghetto and a flood plain. Knoxville is meh. Too far east and you're in hick land. It's fun to stop at a Miranda's adult store along I-40 in TN and look at all the cool dicks and dildos in there, tbh :lol

TMI

[DarrinS]

Nashville is. The rest of the state, meh. Memphis is ghetto and a flood plain. Knoxville is meh. Too far east and you're in hick land. It's fun to stop at a Miranda's adult store along I-40 in TN and look at all the cool dicks and dildos in there, tbh :lol


I disagree. East Tennessee and west part of Kentucky are beautiful. Awesome small towns, Smokey Mountains, cool old whiskey distilleries. Good times.

[RandomGuy]

https://i.imgur.com/Yr7dshV.jpg
Infant mortality rate by state

https://i.imgur.com/7EKnaoR.jpg
Black population by state

https://i.imgur.com/cYC9rYf.jpg

Infant mortality rate by race

You cry about CRT and BLM but if you had a brain cell you'd have made the connection and not considered this part of a red/blue issue.

You're basically a mid-functioning retard.

Now you need to run along and figure out why blacks have a higher infant mortality rate after you label the information racist.

:lmao

triggered.

I said you wouldn't be honest enough to admit red states are dystopian hellholes.

All you have done here is prove that red state, dystopian hellholes have a lot of african american victims of their shitty policies, becuase those states are still run by Republicans, you moron.

[RandomGuy]

Damn, those blacks are bringing Wyoming down.

:rollin

guarantee he didn't see that, and won't address it, because ... reasons.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I disagree. East Tennessee and west part of Kentucky are beautiful. Awesome small towns, Smokey Mountains, cool old whiskey distilleries. Good times.

Don't you mean east parts of KY? If you're going to talk about east TN. East TN/east KY/far western NC and VA. The appalachians in general.

[DarrinS]

Don't you mean east parts of KY?

Yeah, my mistake

[DMC]

:lmao

triggered.

I said you wouldn't be honest enough to admit red states are dystopian hellholes.

All you have done here is prove that red state, dystopian hellholes have a lot of african american victims of their shitty policies, becuase those states are still run by Republicans, you moron.

Your overall assessment was based on some premises.

1. Roads are worse
2. Infant deaths are higher

What you've failed to do is connect those with policies in those states, and I have shown you the correlation between poor black folks and infant deaths, and that the states shown with higher infant deaths also have higher black populations. This is undeniable.

So unless you want to go into why poor, usually unwed single mothers lose their babies at such a high rate, you're just playing team sports and using the deaths of black babies as a volley ball. In reality you don't care because it doesn't up your tally.

[ChumpDumper]

Those poor Wyoming blacks dragging the white folk down.

[RandomGuy]

Interestingly, red states (especially in the south) have the highest instances of gay and BBC porn searches. :lol

I am shocked, shocked I say to find out that gambling is going on in this establshment1

[RandomGuy]

Your overall assessment was based on some premises.

1. Roads are worse
2. Infant deaths are higher

What you've failed to do is connect those with policies in those states, and I have shown you the correlation between poor black folks and infant deaths, and that the states shown with higher infant deaths also have higher black populations. This is undeniable.

So unless you want to go into why poor, usually unwed single mothers lose their babies at such a high rate, you're just playing team sports and using the deaths of black babies as a volley ball. In reality you don't care because it doesn't up your tally.

:lol

The roads remark was a throwaway, tongue in cheek joke. I have always just hated driving through Oklahoma. Suck it.

As for the rest of it, try-hard dearest:

The only real correlation one needs is the correlation between Republican control of state government, and measures of health and well being.

I don't even have to really point out anything specific after that to be able to say "something about the totality of preferred Republican policies is actively harmful".

What is even funnier is that I would make the case that Republican policies are inherently racist at some level, to match the racists rhetoric. The fact that african americans tend to do poorly in red states, which you so aptly pointed out, supports that.

Thanks.

[RandomGuy]

RG running from facts :lol

:lol don't you wish.

As a native of Wyoming, the fact that you tried to make the case "it wuz teh blacks that made us look bad", was kind of inherently racist, and stupid given the make up of Wyoming and the Dakotas.

the facts aren't racist... just the cause, you twit. your data was an own-goal, and a hilarious one at that.

Do tell: Why do you think african american babies die more often than other groups? Your fact. 'splain or run. Your call, chickenshit.

[DMC]

..

[DMC]

:lol

The roads remark was a throwaway, tongue in cheek joke. I have always just hated driving through Oklahoma. Suck it.

So you created a new thread for a throwaway point... Consider it discarded.


As for the rest of it, try-hard dearest:

The only real correlation one needs is the correlation between Republican control of state government, and measures of health and well being.

The country is led by a democrat.


I don't even have to really point out anything specific after that to be able to say "something about the totality of preferred Republican policies is actively harmful".

You have nothing to add. I shut you down at once.


What is even funnier is that I would make the case that Republican policies are inherently racist at some level, to match the racists rhetoric. The fact that african americans tend to do poorly in red states, which you so aptly pointed out, supports that.

I'm sure you would make that comment, but like your other comments it would be a throw away remark. You have no data.


Thanks.
You're saying African Americans do poorly in the states where they are the most populous? :lol

You could never be a strategist.

[DMC]

:lol don't you wish.

As a native of Wyoming, the fact that you tried to make the case "it wuz teh blacks that made us look bad", was kind of inherently racist, and stupid given the make up of Wyoming and the Dakotas.

the facts aren't racist... just the cause, you twit. your data was an own-goal, and a hilarious one at that.

Do tell: Why do you think african american babies die more often than other groups? Your fact. 'splain or run. Your call, chickenshit.

On cue you call these facts racist.

I never said we look bad, that was you who said "dystopian hell holes"

I simply showed you that black babies die at a rate of 2:1 vs white babies. Since you consider these states with the highest black populations to be dystopian hell holes, perhaps you need to explain why black babies die at a higher rate nationwide, and there just happens to be more black people in those states.

That's what you should focus on, instead you focus on the red/blue aspect.

And Wyoming has about half a million people in the whole state. It doesn't take a lot of deaths to equate to a higher ratio. Even then, the black infant death ratio nationally is about 2x that of Wyoming's infant death ratio.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao he doesn't even attempt to say why Wyoming is high.

Called it.

DMC is a pussy.

[Ef-man]

:lmao he doesn't even attempt to say why Wyoming is high.

Called it.

DMC is a pussy.

He will not be pawed at nor interviewed so he has you on ignore.

You must have hurt him, again. :lol

[Trill Clinton]

Interesting to see the board race baiters managed to drag black people in this discussionhttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ehh3.png

[ChumpDumper]

He will not be pawed at nor interviewed so he has you on ignore.

You must have hurt him, again. :lol

But now he'll be compelled to post about me.

He'll never talk about why blacks have high numbers either. His race bait is set so he'll just honestly broker about other men here from now on.

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/Yr7dshV.jpg
Infant mortality rate by state

https://i.imgur.com/7EKnaoR.jpg
Black population by state

https://i.imgur.com/cYC9rYf.jpg

Infant mortality rate by race

You cry about CRT and BLM but if you had a brain cell you'd have made the connection and not considered this part of a red/blue issue.

You're basically a mid-functioning retard.

Now you need to run along and figure out why blacks have a higher infant mortality rate after you label the information racist.


Interesting to see the board race baiters managed to drag black people in this discussionhttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ehh3.png

They're your kids, fam.

[DMC]

He will not be pawed at nor interviewed so he has you on ignore.

You must have hurt him, again. :lol

This was from the CDC in 1987

Infant Mortality Among Black Americans
The recent slowing in the rate of decline in infant mortality and the disparity in the risk of infant death between racial and ethnic subgroups have attracted considerable attention (3,4). In 1984, infant mortality for blacks was 18.4 deaths/1,000 births; this was approximately twice that for whites, which was 9.4 deaths/1,000 births (5). A twofold disparity in infant mortality between black and white infants existed for the time period 1960-1984, and there was a 59% reduction in the infant deaths/1,000 live births over that time for both blacks and whites (5,6). From 1960 to 1984, declines in the neonatal mortality rate* were greater for whites than for blacks (64% compared with 58%), whereas the reduction in the postneonatal mortality rate** was greater for blacks than for whites (60% compared with 43%) (Figure 1).

Analysis from the National Infant Mortality Surveillance (NIMS)S project, a tabulation of data from linked birth and infant death certificates for live births occurring among U.S. residents in 1980, provides a more complete description of the disparity in infant mortality risk (IMR)P between blacks and whites (7). This is the most recent year for which linked birth and infant death data are available for the United States. Although the race-specific risk for infant death varied among states, within states the IMR for blacks was generally two times the risk for whites. In one analysis, the lowest state-specific IMR for single-delivery black infants (12.5) was higher than the highest mortality risk for whites (10.1) (8). There were also differences in the race-specific risk of infant death between U.S. census regions, with IMRs for blacks ranging from 16.5 to 20.7 and for whites, from 8.8 to 9.8. In all regions, however, the IMR for blacks was approximately twice that for whites (9).

Analysis of NIMS data revealed three factors contributing to the difference between the IMRs for black and white infants. First, blacks have a higher percentage of low birthweight births than whites. Black infants in this study had approximately three times the risk that white infants had of being born weighing 1,500g (2.1% compared with 0.7%); they had over two times the risk of having a birthweight of 1,500-2,499g (9.2% compared with 4.2%). Low birthweight is the most important determinant of infant survival, and infants with low birthweights suffer the highest mortality risks (10). A recent comprehensive review has provided an inventory of factors that increases the risk of low birthweight (11). These include demographic, medical, and behavioral risk factors, many of which are more prevalent among black Americans than among white Americans.

The other two factors contributing to the elevated IMR among blacks are neonatal deaths among infants with birthweights greater than or equal to 2,500g and postneonatal deaths among infants in all birthweight categories (12). Black infants with birthweights 2,500g had a lower neonatal mortality risk (NMR)** than white infants, but blacks with birthweights greater than or equal to 2,500g had a higher NMR than whites with comparable birthweights. Black neonatal survivors experienced a higher postneonatal mortality risk (PNMR)**** in all birthweight categories (Table 1 (12)).

To describe the causes of death among black compared with white infants, the international classification of disease codes, ninth revision, was aggregated into seven categories (Table 2 (13)). Except for congenital anomalies, the overall NMRs among blacks, for all causes of death, were approximately twice those among whites. During the postneonatal period, black infants were at higher risk of dying from all causes, including those that are preventable and those that are subject to intervention efforts.

If black infants born in 1980 in the United States had experienced the same birthweight distribution and birthweight-specific mortality risk as white infants, there would have been 5,526 (51%) fewer single-delivery black infant deaths. Of this total, 75% occurred among infants with birthweights 2,500g (59% in the neonatal period and 16% in the postneonatal period), and 25% occurred among infants with birthweights greater than or equal to 2,500g (7% in the neonatal period and 18% in the postneonatal period) (Figure 2). Reported by Pregnancy Epidemiology Br, Research and Statistics Br, Div of Reproductive Health, Center for Health Promotion and Education, CDC.


Obviously the disparity still exists. So it stands to reason states with higher black populations would have a higher infant mortality rate. You'd think an engineer would understand this.

[Ef-man]

ND, SD and WY have low black populations (about 3% in three states).

Someone else’s kids are dying.

[boutons_deux]

Interesting to see the board race baiters managed to drag black people in this discussionhttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ehh3.png

Non-whites dying at higher rates then whites is irrefutable evidence of CRT,. Of non-whites getting less treatment, less aggressive treatment for the same symptoms as whites

[DMC]

ND, SD and WY have low black populations (about 3% in three states).

Someone else’s kids are dying.
Tell the CDC that their statistics on infant death rate are wrong, show them ND, SD and WY.

[Ef-man]

Tell the CDC that their statistics on infant death rate are wrong, show them ND, SD and WY.

So you did not see that the first CDC chart shows infant mortality rate for all races? Go figure you used this anyways.

There was no data available on African American infant mortality rates for these three states in this site, so number is probably close to zero as there was info on other races.

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/infant-mortality-rate-by-race-ethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D

And since that there are so few blacks in those three primarily white raced but red politically states, this strengthens RGs comments.

So RGs comment seems reasonable as it appears that having Republican leadership leads to a higher infant mortality rate.


https://i.imgur.com/Yr7dshV.jpg

[DMC]

So you did not see that the first CDC chart shows infant mortality rate for all races? Go figure you used this anyways.

There was no data available on African American infant mortality rates for these three states in this site, so number is probably close to zero as there was info on other races.

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/infant-mortality-rate-by-race-ethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D

And since that there are so few blacks in those three primarily white raced but red politically states, this strengthens RGs comments.

So RGs comment seems reasonable as it appears that having Republican leadership leads to a higher infant mortality rate.


https://i.imgur.com/Yr7dshV.jpg


Montana has a lower infant mortality rate than most of the blue states. Explain that since it's red vs blue.

https://i.imgur.com/aUT7gLY.jpg

You can deny science all you like.

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/OPOmEaD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8Z9WMzx.jpg

Obviously no correlation because of Wyoming :lol

You don't understand statistics :lol
You think the political parties kill babies :lol
You're pro-abortion :lol

[Ef-man]

Montana has a lower infant mortality rate than most of the blue states. Explain that since it's red vs blue.

https://i.imgur.com/aUT7gLY.jpg

You can deny science all you like.

You are a lazy ass fuck.

You are deflecting by bringing up Montana (but you fuck that by putting MS data, idiot) when you still cannot explain WY, SD, ND, chop, chop.

[DMC]

You are a lazy ass fuck.

You are deflecting by bringing up Montana (but you fuck that by putting MS data, idiot) when you still cannot explain WY, SD, ND, chop, chop.

I don't need to explain it. If you think a couple low pop states disprove the assertion (and the science), you must accept that Montana disproves the red state assertion. Chop chop.

btw, the IMR of blacks in Mississippi including all counties is 13.4. For whites it's 6.33. It's obvious then that the IMR is weighed down by racial disparity in the highest black population states which happen to be in the South. Like all things, there are exceptions that can be explained by limited data sets.

You can argue all you like with the stats and the science.

Washington DC, for example..

https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/4792-infant-death-rate-per-1000-live-births-by-race-ethnicity#detailed/3/any/false/1729,37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133/144,816,817,3,818/11162

The disparity here is stark, some years having a disparity factor of 8+. White IMR 1.7, black IMR 13.6

Maryland, 10 vs 4.2.

[Ef-man]

I don't need to explain it. If you think a couple low pop states disprove the assertion (and the science), you must accept that Montana disproves the red state assertion. Chop chop.

btw, the IMR of blacks in Mississippi including all counties is 13.4. For whites it's 6.33. It's obvious then that the IMR is weighed down by racial disparity in the highest black population states which happen to be in the South. Like all things, there are exceptions that can be explained by limited data sets.

You can argue all you like with the stats and the science.

Washington DC, for example..

https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/4792-infant-death-rate-per-1000-live-births-by-race-ethnicity#detailed/3/any/false/1729,37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133/144,816,817,3,818/11162

The disparity here is stark, some years having a disparity factor of 8+. White IMR 1.7, black IMR 13.6

Maryland, 10 vs 4.2.

Triggered much? Easy to see as you are editing your posts but you avoid issue of WY, Nd, SD, again, idiot. :lol

[DMC]

Triggered much? Easy to see as you are editing your posts but you avoid issue of WY, Nd, SD, again, idiot. :lol

You're still hurting over The Patent™.

I edit because I'm not Winehole who posts 20 consecutive times to make one statement.

[Ef-man]

You're still hurting over The Patent™.

I edit because I'm not Winehole who posts 20 consecutive times to make one statement.

You continue to deflect and edit like the idiot that you are.

You do not need to explain! :lol.

You concede to RG, else, WY, SD, and ND, chop, chop, before trump steals their furniture too!

[RandomGuy]

On cue you call these facts racist.

I never said we look bad, that was you who said "dystopian hell holes"

I simply showed you that black babies die at a rate of 2:1 vs white babies. Since you consider these states with the highest black populations to be dystopian hell holes, perhaps you need to explain why black babies die at a higher rate nationwide, and there just happens to be more black people in those states.

That's what you should focus on, instead you focus on the red/blue aspect.

And Wyoming has about half a million people in the whole state. It doesn't take a lot of deaths to equate to a higher ratio. Even then, the black infant death ratio nationally is about 2x that of Wyoming's infant death ratio.

I didn't call hte facts racist you stupid twit.

I said YOU were racist for saying "it wuz teh blacks"

[RandomGuy]

And Wyoming has about half a million people in the whole state. It doesn't take a lot of deaths to equate to a higher ratio. Even then, the black infant death ratio nationally is about 2x that of Wyoming's infant death ratio.


LOL math challenged DMC.

I was going to let you off the hook with a math lesson, but you are an inherently dishonest and evil person, soooooo no.

Please walk me through the math of how 0.96% of Wyomings 1/2 million people are skewing the overall average for the state.

500,000 * .096 = 48,000 population in question
48,000*.5 = 24,000 women in population
24,000*.5= 12,000 females capable of giving birth

500,000 * .91 = 455,000
455,000*.5 = 227,500 women in population
113,750*.5= 113,750 females capable of giving birth

sooooo care to explain how 1/10 of a population can have so many dead infants that they skew a rate so badly for the rest of the state?

Maybe you can explain how every single one of these women can magically produce what? four infants per year?

Or... continue to your autistic screeching about racist facts.

[RandomGuy]

I don't need to explain it. If you think a couple low pop states disprove the assertion (and the science), you must accept that Montana disproves the red state assertion. Chop chop.

btw, the IMR of blacks in Mississippi including all counties is 13.4. For whites it's 6.33. It's obvious then that the IMR is weighed down by racial disparity in the highest black population states which happen to be in the South. Like all things, there are exceptions that can be explained by limited data sets.

You can argue all you like with the stats and the science.

Washington DC, for example..

https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/4792-infant-death-rate-per-1000-live-births-by-race-ethnicity#detailed/3/any/false/1729,37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133/144,816,817,3,818/11162

The disparity here is stark, some years having a disparity factor of 8+. White IMR 1.7, black IMR 13.6

Maryland, 10 vs 4.2.


Hypothesis:
Republican polices, in their totality, cause states to be dystopian hellholes.

Dystopian hellholes: high infant mortality, low educational attainment, and measurably shorter lifespans. Call it below national average in two out of three measures. (maybe just do all three? easy to run both definitions)

I will at some point this weekend run correlative analysis between party in control of the government to these three factors. datasets are pretty easy to find.

Control of government = executive and at least one legislative branch of government

You can try to be all racist and say "its teh blacks", and I will then ask you why Republican policies appear to be so closely related to black poverty. Another question your dishonest ass will not answer.

For your own reading:
https://www.scribbr.com/statistics/correlation-coefficient/

A correlation coefficient is a number between -1 and 1 that tells you the strength and direction of a relationship between variables.

First comparison:
Variable 1: Republican control of state government
Variable 2: Infant mortality rate

Second comparison:
Variable 1: Republican control of state government
Variable 2: educational attainment deviation from national average

Third comparison:
Variable 1: Republican control of state government
Variable 2: educational attainment deviation from national average

[RandomGuy]

I don't need to explain it.

You absolutely do.

You took on that burden when you implied that "its teh blacks that cause states to be dystopian hellholes" to deflect from the fact that Republican states appear to do worse on measurements of human well-being.

Your assertion, your burden of proof.

[RandomGuy]

Triggered much? Easy to see as you are editing your posts but you avoid issue of WY, Nd, SD, again, idiot. :lol

Pretty much.

[DMC]

You absolutely do.

You took on that burden when you implied that "its teh blacks that cause states to be dystopian hellholes" to deflect from the fact that Republican states appear to do worse on measurements of human well-being.

Your assertion, your burden of proof.
It's a fact that blacks have the highest IMR. This is easily proven even on the CDC website.
It's a fact that these states you point out have the highest black populations.
It's easy to conclude that the IMR for these states is weighted by the racial disparity plus the demographics.

So I debunked your road claim - you called it a throwaway line. I agreed.
I debunked your IMR claim that tied IMR to political control.

What's next?

If these states are dystopian hell holes (your assertion in the OP and thread title), then why do blacks who primarily vote democrat choose to live there over these other democrat run states?

I think you're calling these states dystopian hell holes because A) You're fart sniffin' Darrin and B) You consider areas with heavy black populations to be dystopian.

[DMC]

Hypothesis:
Republican polices, in their totality, cause states to be dystopian hellholes.

Dystopian hellholes: high infant mortality, low educational attainment, and measurably shorter lifespans. Call it below national average in two out of three measures. (maybe just do all three? easy to run both definitions)

I will at some point this weekend run correlative analysis between party in control of the government to these three factors. datasets are pretty easy to find.

Control of government = executive and at least one legislative branch of government

You can try to be all racist and say "its teh blacks", and I will then ask you why Republican policies appear to be so closely related to black poverty. Another question your dishonest ass will not answer.

For your own reading:
https://www.scribbr.com/statistics/correlation-coefficient/

A correlation coefficient is a number between -1 and 1 that tells you the strength and direction of a relationship between variables.

First comparison:
Variable 1: Republican control of state government
Variable 2: Infant mortality rate

Second comparison:
Variable 1: Republican control of state government
Variable 2: educational attainment deviation from national average

Third comparison:
Variable 1: Republican control of state government
Variable 2: educational attainment deviation from national average

You're pulling these "variables" out of your ass.

I can show quite easily that blacks have low income in most states.
I can also show that the IMR for blacks is about the same in most states.
I can conclude then that low income and high IMR clusters will weigh down the data from the US average.

This has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with science. It's not even about race, per se. It's about clusters of traits that affect averages when you divide by regions.

I know you want to impress people with your cipherin' Jethro, but you cannot escape the numbers even by throwing in unrelated "variables" in a correlation vs causation obfuscation boondoggle. (WH should love that).

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/3mEHvQY.jpg

You can see that IMR for blacks is very high across all states. The lowest state IMR for blacks is in NY, but it's higher than the highest IMR for whites.

So you're really only worried about white babies since black IMR is high everywhere, even in the northern blue states.

So explain how the republican policies cause that through your variables and cipherin'.

Blacks deal with dystopian hell holes anywhere they live, if they aren't wealthy.


Vermont has a 6.5 IMR for whites, just below Mississippi, only they don't have the black population to weigh down the stats like Mississippi does.

Then again, you're only focused on whites. So explain Vermont.

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/KMPMOwf.jpg

Now let's look at your claim about education...

Why is Montana at the top? Why is Alaska ahead of so many blue states? Why is California at the bottom? What happened here?

Go

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/wlsFqbx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/n7Vq47e.jpg

Racial economic equality rankings

Just look how well all those blue states are doing vs the red states!

I think we can stick a fork in this thread.

Maybe next time RG tries to sniff Darrin's asshole for crumbs, he'll do some research first.

[DMC]

Always pointing to one point. Put them in a scatter plot by party and see if we can find a relationship. Fucking dweeb. :lol

I covered roads, IMR and education, I even threw in economic disparity and choice of region as bonuses (blacks choose to live in GOP states).

The point of all this is to show that, despite all this CRT rhetoric, white posters here who wave their morality flags for the world to see, discount conditions for blacks when they consider the state of affairs. They only consider white conditions, and blacks are in back rooms with doors locked, Flowers in the Attic of America, and you white devils are what really keeps it that way. Prime examples in this thread tbh.

[DMC]

You haven't done my scatter plot. Get to work dweeb. :lol

chop chop. Do one for blacks as well.

[DMC]

Moving the goalpost. Fucking dweeb. :lol

And what the fuck is racial equality? :lol :lol
And how do you measure that? :lol :lol

Seriously? :lol

https://lmgtfy.app/?q=racial+equality

The left has a solid lineup here :lol

[DMC]

Admitting defeat. :lol

To fucking easy. :lol

I don't do UberEats for dabom

[RandomGuy]

I debunked your IMR claim that tied IMR to political control.

:lmao

you showed how non-whites are victims of Republican control. Damn do you suck at this.

[RandomGuy]

Always pointing to one point. Put them in a scatter plot by party and see if we can find a relationship. Fucking dweeb. :lol

That is out of his skill set.

sokay, I have been working over my methodology with some actuaries. Been fun re-teaching myself the points of the maths/statistics involved.

[RandomGuy]

You're pulling these "variables" out of your ass....

...

I know you want to impress people with your cipherin' Jethro, but you cannot escape the numbers even by throwing in unrelated "variables" in a correlation vs causation obfuscation boondoggle. (WH should love that).

Project much? :lol

This is exactly how correlation is demonstrated.

Binomial correlation using the listed variables is quite achievable.

Scientific method:

Start with a hypothesis.
Define terms
Outline a test of the hypothesis.
test
analyse results to see if you have proved/disproved your null hypothesis.

Which is exactly what I have done here.

You... have thrown shit against a wall to see what sticks.

[DMC]

:lmao

you showed how non-whites are victims of Republican control. Damn do you suck at this.

Your reading comprehension skills suck. Just look at the numbers where IMR is highest amongst blacks in dem run areas, but high overall nationwide.

DC, Michigan, Ohio, Illinois... (tbh, no idea how Ohio swung in 2020).

[DMC]

Project much? :lol

This is exactly how correlation is demonstrated.

Binomial correlation using the listed variables is quite achievable.

Scientific method:

Start with a hypothesis.
Define terms
Outline a test of the hypothesis.
test
analyse results to see if you have proved/disproved your null hypothesis.

Which is exactly what I have done here.

You... have thrown shit against a wall to see what sticks.

You decided the variables. Real science finds the variables through research, not through political bias. You shouldn't hypothesize based on preference, but on observations. Observations include finding relevant facts, not confirmation bias based correlation. Any dipshit can draw false conclusions.

You wouldn't know scientific method if it crawled up your white ass and bit your hymen.

[RandomGuy]

You decided the variables. Real science finds the variables through research, not through political bias. You shouldn't hypothesize based on preference, but on observations. Observations include finding relevant facts, not confirmation bias based correlation. Any dipshit can draw false conclusions.

You wouldn't know scientific method if it crawled up your white ass and bit your hymen.

Dude, just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

It is really painful to watch you struggle. You are dancing because, deep down, you know that Republican policies generally suck ass. You are dodging every way you can to avoid having your nose shoved in that pile of shit.

[RandomGuy]

It's a fact that blacks have the highest IMR. This is easily proven even on the CDC website.
It's a fact that these states you point out have the highest black populations.
It's easy to conclude that the IMR for these states is weighted by the racial disparity plus the demographics.

So I debunked your road claim - you called it a throwaway line. I agreed.
I debunked your IMR claim that tied IMR to political control.

What's next?

If these states are dystopian hell holes (your assertion in the OP and thread title), then why do blacks who primarily vote democrat choose to live there over these other democrat run states?

I think you're calling these states dystopian hell holes because A) You're fart sniffin' Darrin and B) You consider areas with heavy black populations to be dystopian.

LOL math challenged DMC.

I was going to let you off the hook with a math lesson, but you are an inherently dishonest and evil person, soooooo no.

Please walk me through the math of how 0.96% of Wyomings 1/2 million people are skewing the overall average for the state.

500,000 * .096 = 48,000 population in question
48,000*.5 = 24,000 women in population
24,000*.5= 12,000 females capable of giving birth

500,000 * .91 = 455,000
455,000*.5 = 227,500 women in population
113,750*.5= 113,750 females capable of giving birth

sooooo care to explain how 1/10 of a population can have so many dead infants that they skew a rate so badly for the rest of the state?

Maybe you can explain how every single one of these women can magically produce what? four infants per year?

Or... continue to your autistic screeching about racist facts.

[RandomGuy]

Hypothesis:
Republican polices, in their totality, cause states to be dystopian hellholes.

Dystopian hellholes: high infant mortality, low educational attainment, and measurably shorter lifespans. Call it below national average in two out of three measures. (maybe just do all three? easy to run both definitions)

I will at some point this weekend run correlative analysis between party in control of the government to these three factors. datasets are pretty easy to find.

Control of government = executive and at least one legislative branch of government

You can try to be all racist and say "its teh blacks", and I will then ask you why Republican policies appear to be so closely related to black poverty. Another question your dishonest ass will not answer.

For your own reading:
https://www.scribbr.com/statistics/correlation-coefficient/

A correlation coefficient is a number between -1 and 1 that tells you the strength and direction of a relationship between variables.

First comparison:
Variable 1: Republican control of state government
Variable 2: Infant mortality rate

Second comparison:
Variable 1: Republican control of state government
Variable 2: educational attainment deviation from national average

Third comparison:
Variable 1: Republican control of state government
Variable 2: educational attainment deviation from national average

So lets start with infant mortality rate. download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/infant-death-rate/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D
Life expectancy: download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/life-expectancy/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D
Education, high school graduate percentage downloaded dataset https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-literacy-rate-by-state.html

Took an average from all states for each metric. Any state with a stat below average was put into the running for that stat.

The following states were below average on all three, IMR, life-expectancy, and high school graduation rate:

Alabama
Arkansas
Georgia
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Nevada
North Carolina
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
West Virginia

These states meet the definition of "dystopian hellholes", i.e. lower than average in education, infant mortality and life expectency.

Soooo next step. To determine control of state government of each of those states. Two out of three Executive, house, senage at state level.

[RandomGuy]

Ballotopedia provided a decent data. https://ballotpedia.org/Partisan_composition_of_state_legislatures


A state is a red state if it has a republican control of two out of the three: Governor, house, senate

Alabama red
Arkansas red
Georgia red
Mississippi red
Missouri red
Oklahoma red
South Carolina red
Tennessee red
West Virginia red
North Carolina red
Kentucky red
Louisiana red

Nevada Blue

All but NC, KY, and LA are trifectas. Those three have the fascist party firmly in control of the state legislature, and democratic governors

Pattern is very clear.

[DMC]

Dude, just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

It is really painful to watch you struggle. You are dancing because, deep down, you know that Republican policies generally suck ass. You are dodging every way you can to avoid having your nose shoved in that pile of shit. Gas lighting.

If you could disprove the black IMR disparity you'd probably win a Nobel, since science and basic statistics right now show a huge disparity.



LOL math challenged DMC.

I was going to let you off the hook with a math lesson, but you are an inherently dishonest and evil person, soooooo no.

Please walk me through the math of how 0.96% of Wyomings 1/2 million people are skewing the overall average for the state.

500,000 * .096 = 48,000 population in question
48,000*.5 = 24,000 women in population
24,000*.5= 12,000 females capable of giving birth

500,000 * .91 = 455,000
455,000*.5 = 227,500 women in population
113,750*.5= 113,750 females capable of giving birth

sooooo care to explain how 1/10 of a population can have so many dead infants that they skew a rate so badly for the rest of the state?

Maybe you can explain how every single one of these women can magically produce what? four infants per year?

Or... continue to your autistic screeching about racist facts.
Argument from bad faith. You already know I shut you down. If your "red state/blue state" IMR guess (stop using scientific terms like "hypothesis" when it's a wild ass, off the cuff guess) was worth the electrons used to produce it, you'd have to show all red states have the same issue. You won't do this, instead you'll insist that all red states must be without the issue, however not all blue states are without the issue. This is just you shifting burden of proof. You made the positive assertion, you prove IMR is related to political party charge. Then you'll need to explain why blue states have such a high black IMR vs white IMR. Are blue state governments killing black babies at such a high rate with their policies?

You cannot have your cake and have eaten it too.


So lets start with infant mortality rate. download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/infant-death-rate/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D
Life expectancy: download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/life-expectancy/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D
Education, high school graduate percentage downloaded dataset https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-literacy-rate-by-state.html

Took an average from all states for each metric. Any state with a stat below average was put into the running for that stat.

The following states were below average on all three, IMR, life-expectancy, and high school graduation rate:

Alabama
Arkansas
Georgia
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Nevada
North Carolina
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
West Virginia

These states meet the definition of "dystopian hellholes", i.e. lower than average in education, infant mortality and life expectency.

Soooo next step. To determine control of state government of each of those states. Two out of three Executive, house, senage at state level.


Are they below average for both white and blacks?

You're ignoring racial economic and justice disparity in states like Minnesota (been in the news just a bit lately for just that). In fact, I gave you all the rankings and what you're saying doesn't jive.

Also, why do black people choose to live in dystopian hell holes? 55% of all US blacks live in the Southern states. The suffering and injustice (definition of "dystopian") would be between subsets of groups. In this case (IMR), it would be between blacks and whites. So the rankings I posted showed that the heaviest black populated district in the US (District of Columbia) has far and away the most racial injustice and suffering vs whites. It also has the greatest economic inequality.

I showed you California has the lowest overall education score, and that Alaska scored higher than California and several other blue states.

Texas is a red state. Why isn't it worse than Vermont in IMR? Why isn't it worse in education than California?

You haven't done anything but create another fetch mission while ignoring the facts.


Ballotopedia provided a decent data. https://ballotpedia.org/Partisan_composition_of_state_legislatures

A state is a red state if it has a republican control of two out of the three: Governor, house, senate

Alabama red
Arkansas red
Georgia red
Mississippi red
Missouri red
Oklahoma red
South Carolina red
Tennessee red
West Virginia red
North Carolina red
Kentucky red
Louisiana red

Nevada Blue

All but NC, KY, and LA are trifectas. Those three have the fascist party firmly in control of the state legislature, and democratic governors

Pattern is very clear.

What's clear is that you're only concerned about white people. You are allowing that blacks have 2x+ IMR of whites in these blue states and only taking the average. When the black IMR is 13 - 20 and the white IMR is 1.7, you'll take the average as if those black infant deaths can be nullified by the lack of white infant deaths, because the two races live in two completely different environments and under two completely different judicial systems. You're ok with that, because it helps you in your attempt to get a W here. I'd be ok with that except your side is the one pretending to be socially woke. You created your own definition of "dystopian" and then pulled variables from your asshole to try to support your false definition.

Your world atlas education data is from 2017. My data is more recent.

IMR, you show Wyoming at number 37 :lol

So let's get back to facts instead of your sloppy searches and hubris.

Let's examine "dystopia"

Orwell is best remembered as the creator of a dystopia in which totalitarian ideology, pervasive surveillance, and constant editing of the past to meet the political requirements of the present make individuality impossible.



https://i.imgur.com/HoDQSGe.jpg

Seems like black folks have much less racial disparity living in the South. Go figure.

Then again, blacks are only about 12% of the population, you can average them out.

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.imgur.com/HoDQSGe.jpg

So DMC obviously agrees with the article from which his graphic came.

Discrimination and segregation still are daily facts of life for many Black Americans. Voter suppression is on the rise, hollowing out cornerstones of citizenship. The court of law may espouse all being equal under the law. Yet, Black Americans are more likely to be convicted of committing a crime and receive harsher sentences.

:wowDMCRT:wow

[Thread]

https://i.imgur.com/HoDQSGe.jpg

So DMC obviously agrees with the article from which his graphic came.

Discrimination and segregation still are daily facts of life for many Black Americans. Voter suppression is on the rise, hollowing out cornerstones of citizenship. The court of law may espouse all being equal under the law. Yet, Black Americans are more likely to be convicted of committing a crime and receive harsher sentences.

:wowDMCRT:wow

Well, you're back to rampaging, rioting and tearing it up in Minneapolis, but MSM/CNN doesn't want to touch that this time around. Not for all the rice in China.

[Ef-man]

Well, you're back to rampaging, rioting and tearing it up in Minneapolis, but MSM/CNN doesn't want to touch that this time around. Not for all the rice in China.

lmtakeyourmedsdaleao!!!!!!

[Dirks_Finale]

Well, you're back to rampaging, rioting and tearing it up in Minneapolis, but MSM/CNN doesn't want to touch that this time around. Not for all the rice in China.

Is Kamala still pushing for the rioters to get bailed out of jail?

Oh wait, police bad narrative does not poll well. Not a peep out of her.

[DMC]

Well, you're back to rampaging, rioting and tearing it up in Minneapolis, but MSM/CNN doesn't want to touch that this time around. Not for all the rice in China.

:lol "DMC blah blah blah"

Normal day in ChirpDropper's week.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol DMCRT working hard to hide his sources using imgur.

:lol Normal week claiming to ignore me.

[Thread]

lmtakeyourmedsdaleao!!!!!!

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[DMC]

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[ChumpDumper]

:lmao called it

:lmao DMCRT

[Ef-man]

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

Bipolar trend is not a laughing matter, please take your meds.

[Ef-man]

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

Bipolar trend is not a laughing matter, please take your meds.

[Thread]

Bipolar trend is not a laughing matter, please take your meds.

The "meds" tact?

tee, hee.

[Ef-man]

The "meds" tact?

tee, hee.

It would be a “tact” only if it was not true but you need to take your meds. :tu

[RandomGuy]

:lol "DMC blah blah blah"

Normal day in ChirpDropper's week.

So provide a testable definition of "dystopian hellhole".

About all you ahve done is said "black people are victims of Republican policies" so far.

That and some autistic screeching about averages.

Honestly, your position is less than coherent here.

[DMC]

So provide a testable definition of "dystopian hellhole".

About all you ahve done is said "black people are victims of Republican policies" so far.

That and some autistic screeching about averages.

Honestly, your position is less than coherent here.

Your capitulation is duly noted.

You had no choice.

[RandomGuy]

Your capitulation is duly noted.

You had no choice.

:lol Declaring victory, and retreating.

You had a choice, and chose cowardice.

smh About all you are capable of.

[RandomGuy]

Gas lighting.

If you could disprove the black IMR disparity you'd probably win a Nobel, since science and basic statistics right now show a huge disparity. (1)



Argument from bad faith. You already know I shut you down. If your "red state/blue state" IMR guess (stop using scientific terms like "hypothesis" when it's a wild ass, off the cuff guess)(2) was worth the electrons used to produce it, you'd have to show all red states have the same issue. (3) You won't do this, instead you'll insist that all red states must be without the issue, however not all blue states are without the issue. This is just you shifting burden of proof. You made the positive assertion, you prove IMR is related to political party charge. Then you'll need to explain why blue states have such a high black IMR vs white IMR. Are blue state governments killing black babies at such a high rate with their policies? (4)

You cannot have your cake and have eaten it too.




Are they below average for both white and blacks?

You're ignoring racial economic and justice disparity in states like Minnesota (been in the news just a bit lately for just that). In fact, I gave you all the rankings and what you're saying doesn't jive.

Also, why do black people choose to live in dystopian hell holes? 55% of all US blacks live in the Southern states. The suffering and injustice (definition of "dystopian") would be between subsets of groups. In this case (IMR), it would be between blacks and whites. So the rankings I posted showed that the heaviest black populated district in the US (District of Columbia) has far and away the most racial injustice and suffering vs whites. It also has the greatest economic inequality.

I showed you California has the lowest overall education score, and that Alaska scored higher than California and several other blue states.

Texas is a red state. Why isn't it worse than Vermont in IMR? Why isn't it worse in education than California?

You haven't done anything but create another fetch mission while ignoring the facts.



What's clear is that you're only concerned about white people. You are allowing that blacks have 2x+ IMR of whites in these blue states and only taking the average. When the black IMR is 13 - 20 and the white IMR is 1.7, you'll take the average as if those black infant deaths can be nullified by the lack of white infant deaths, because the two races live in two completely different environments and under two completely different judicial systems. You're ok with that, because it helps you in your attempt to get a W here. I'd be ok with that except your side is the one pretending to be socially woke. You created your own definition of "dystopian" and then pulled variables from your asshole to try to support your false definition.

Your world atlas education data is from 2017. My data is more recent.

IMR, you show Wyoming at number 37 :lol

So let's get back to facts instead of your sloppy searches and hubris.

Let's examine "dystopia" (5)

Orwell is best remembered as the creator of a dystopia in which totalitarian ideology, pervasive surveillance, and constant editing of the past to meet the political requirements of the present make individuality impossible.



https://i.imgur.com/HoDQSGe.jpg

Seems like black folks have much less racial disparity living in the South. Go figure.

Then again, blacks are only about 12% of the population, you can average them out.

(1) Strawman. Never tried to disprove or prove any racial disparity, as that was not central to any point I was making. I do readily acknowledge that it exists.

(2) Factually incorrect, and laughably ignorant because of it.. Scientific usage of the term absolutely applies here. "If a state is run using Republican policies, then it is more likely to be a dystopian hellhole." is put into the proper, scientific and logical format. Read up on it because you look like an idiot making this point.

(3)Strawman #2. Never said blue states coudn't meet the definition of dystopian hellholes. One did. I sought correlation which is a probabilistic, not absolute, determination. Your poor reading comprehension didn't allow you to understand that either.

(4) Unproven assertion. You have shown data for racial disparity but have not done any work to clearly show how the disparity tracks to political control. If you could, you would clearly show that. You have done little beside barf out pictures and do victory dances. Like Dunning-Kruger poster children always do when over their heads.

(5) Grammar smack with a side of Strawman. More fail. You ignored my actual definition of "dystopian hellhole" and want to substitute your own. Fuck off. I will define it as "being below US average in infant mortality, overall life expectency, and high school attainment". SUCK IT, that is the term I am going to use for that, if you don't like it, take it up with DarrinS, I borrowed it from him. You won't, because you tend to act in dishonest, hypocritical ways. Happy to amend that if you grow a pair, but am not holding my breath.

Meh, I'll stop there. I still need to finish running the regression analysis, but that will have to wait.

[Extra Stout]

White liberals don’t give any more of a shit about black people than MAGA freaks do. There is sort of a transactional relationship, dating from the Civil Rights era, where certain black leaders serve as an ersatz priestly class. White liberals, seeking moral credit as a status symbol to distinguish themselves from white trash, approach black opinion leaders for a blessing as “not racist.”

Certain leftist leaders (academics, etc.), having figured this out, have seized control of the discourse, and raised the price of that blessing by demanding ever more radical policies. Since white liberals never actually associate with real-life black people who don’t actually believe in any of these radical policies, this ruse works. Unfortunately, having failed to realize that bullshit moral posturing is the essential cultural feature of educated white Americans, these leftists remain frustrated that white lip service rarely translates into a commitment to do anything. Because, they don’t actually give a shit about black people.

[ChumpDumper]

White liberals don’t give any more of a shit about black people than MAGA freaks do. There is sort of a transactional relationship, dating from the Civil Rights era, where certain black leaders serve as an ersatz priestly class. White liberals, seeking moral credit as a status symbol to distinguish themselves from white trash, approach black opinion leaders for a blessing as “not racist.”

Certain leftist leaders (academics, etc.), having figured this out, have seized control of the discourse, and raised the price of that blessing by demanding ever more radical policies. Since white liberals never actually associate with real-life black people who don’t actually believe in any of these radical policies, this ruse works. Unfortunately, having failed to realize that bullshit moral posturing is the essential cultural feature of educated white Americans, these leftists remain frustrated that white lip service rarely translates into a commitment to do anything. Because, they don’t actually give a shit about black people.

Do you give a shit about black people?

[Thread]

White liberals don’t give any more of a shit about black people than MAGA freaks do. There is sort of a transactional relationship, dating from the Civil Rights era, where certain black leaders serve as an ersatz priestly class. White liberals, seeking moral credit as a status symbol to distinguish themselves from white trash, approach black opinion leaders for a blessing as “not racist.”

Certain leftist leaders (academics, etc.), having figured this out, have seized control of the discourse, and raised the price of that blessing by demanding ever more radical policies. Since white liberals never actually associate with real-life black people who don’t actually believe in any of these radical policies, this ruse works. Unfortunately, having failed to realize that bullshit moral posturing is the essential cultural feature of educated white Americans, these leftists remain frustrated that white lip service rarely translates into a commitment to do anything. Because, they don’t actually give a shit about black people.

XS has the Dumper snortin' of a Tuesday morn.

XS

tee, hee.

[Extra Stout]

That map showing relative racial disparity has many flaws.

First of all, it shows relative racial disparity, rather than actual black well-being, which is kind of revealing. Real-life human beings are more stressed by their group or tribe having a lower status than surrounding groups/tribes than by lower absolute quality of life. On that map, states in which white people are worse off, black quality of life being equal, will appear. While it is a normal human impulse to compare relative tribal status, I don’t think simply making whites worse off should be the desired policy objective.

2. Second, it is likely that the data behind the map counts most Hispanics as “white.” This would make California, Texas, and Florida appear much bluer than if Blacks were compared only to Anglos.

3. Even controlling for those things, the upper Midwest sticks out. “Progressive” Minneapolis, Madison, Chicago etc. are absolute shitholes for Black people. Real-life black people would rather live down in the “dystopian,” “racist” South. This is because progressivism is really all about protecting the status of the educated white tribe, not about liberating anybody else from anything.

[RandomGuy]

White liberals don’t give any more of a shit about black people than MAGA freaks do.

I most certainly do. The white liberals that I know do.

Vastly more than any MAGA crowd.

Lazy "both sides". smh

[Extra Stout]

Do you give a shit about black people?
Yes. Real-life black people, even northern ones, are pretty similar to southern whites. They think a lot alike. You start spouting Ibram X. Kendi shit, they’re going to look at you funny.

Voting for the Correct Political Party is not a substitute for real-life association. In the real world, knowing the right people is more important towards getting ahead than Helpful Occasional Volunteers. In my own life, connections with certain people have mattered more than my own individual achievements (substantial though they may be) or Government Help. It is those sorts of connections with the powerful and privileged that Blacks and Hispanics have a lot fewer of.

This reality, and the dynamic of us white people seeking status instead of having empathy like other humans do, is what underlies the “ Im nOt RaCiSt I hAvE a BlAcK fRiEnD” excuse.

The challenge is that the Black underclass is very angry at white people and therefore very difficult to be around. In my own life, despite my education, affluence, etc., I can last only a few days with my Hispanic family in a pervasively racist environment before it wears me down and I start to want to say something along the lines of, “What the fuck are you staring at, you shit-eating, cousin-fucking cracker?” I imagine I would be a lot more anti-social in that environment if I were black and poor. This is not an excuse for anti-social behavior, which cannot be tolerated.

The similarity between blacks and southern whites is probably why rednecks feel like they have to work so hard to hold up the racial hierarchy.

[Chucho]

https://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/17/red-state-stupidity-confirmed-9-10-education-states-america-vote-republican.html

How old is that map? Looks like 2015 in the link.

From modern times:

https://i.imgflip.com/65bi0x.jpg
https://imgflip.com/i/65bi0x
https://imgflip.com/i/65bi0x

[DMC]

(1) Strawman. Never tried to disprove or prove any racial disparity, as that was not central to any point I was making. I do readily acknowledge that it exists.

(2) Factually incorrect, and laughably ignorant because of it.. Scientific usage of the term absolutely applies here. "If a state is run using Republican policies, then it is more likely to be a dystopian hellhole." is put into the proper, scientific and logical format. Read up on it because you look like an idiot making this point.

(3)Strawman #2. Never said blue states coudn't meet the definition of dystopian hellholes. One did. I sought correlation which is a probabilistic, not absolute, determination. Your poor reading comprehension didn't allow you to understand that either.

(4) Unproven assertion. You have shown data for racial disparity but have not done any work to clearly show how the disparity tracks to political control. If you could, you would clearly show that. You have done little beside barf out pictures and do victory dances. Like Dunning-Kruger poster children always do when over their heads.

(5) Grammar smack with a side of Strawman. More fail. You ignored my actual definition of "dystopian hellhole" and want to substitute your own. Fuck off. I will define it as "being below US average in infant mortality, overall life expectency, and high school attainment". SUCK IT, that is the term I am going to use for that, if you don't like it, take it up with DarrinS, I borrowed it from him. You won't, because you tend to act in dishonest, hypocritical ways. Happy to amend that if you grow a pair, but am not holding my breath.

Meh, I'll stop there. I still need to finish running the regression analysis, but that will have to wait.

I threw out a lot of lists and maps and made some conclusions. Even then I don't consider any of that to be an hypothesis because I didn't actually test any of it. I started looking at the available data and just noticed that the IMR for whites in these red states doesn't spike above the noise nationally, nor does the IMR for blacks statewide, however since blacks have such a higher IMR, the clustering of high IMR births in certain areas would naturally elevate the average. It seems then that, although 6.5 or so IMR for whites is higher than some other areas, 13 for blacks is 2x that so should be the concern. Instead though, you wanted to use the average. It's probably not a good idea to ignore disparities and focus instead on averages.

I won't follow your "political control" red herring. I've already shown (and you've admitted) that it is likely more correlation than causation, and you've completely ignored underlying factors. Someone with a real hypothesis wouldn't do that.

[Extra Stout]

I most certainly do. The white liberals that I know do.

Vastly more than any MAGA crowd.

Lazy "both sides". smh
Yes, you people Care So Much, and have such Good Intentions, which is why liberal enclaves like Austin, Portland, etc. have solved all racial inequality since 1965, rather than making inequality worse through gentrification, NIMBYism, policy fads, etc.

There’s a part of me that thinks that a place like Minneapolis deserves it. The self-righteous cat lady progressives pay lip service to solving racial problems, Black people believe them and vote in progressives, then either nothing changes or it gets worse, and so Black people start to think maybe the whole system has to be burnt down.

You come on here and start smug threads like this, which are all about how superior you and your kind are to the other kind of white people, in Oklahoma. The kind who can’t maintain roads or whatever.

[Adam Lambert]

Caring doesn't always translate to effectiveness. "Caring" is the lowest point of entry.

You can certainly both-sides the effectiveness of right vs. left towards improving inclusion and equality, but I'd disagree with the idea that I care about blacks as little as the guy who blames crime in Chicago for why a black woman in Dallas hit a glass ceiling.

[Extra Stout]

Elevated IMR for Blacks persists regardless of income levels, access to health care, etc. The only thing that appears to help is having Black babies delivered by Black doctors and cared for by Black nurses.

This same issue exists for Indigenous Americans, but not for Mestizo Hispanics or Asians.

I think the root cause is that white people, in general, simply don’t have empathy for nonwhites. It’s a primal, tribal, lizard-brain issue.

Mestizo Hispanics appear to benefit from hybrid vigor — they also have very high life expectancy relative to socioeconomic status.

I doubt Asians have a hard time finding empathetic Asian doctors to deliver their children.

[Extra Stout]

Caring doesn't always translate to effectiveness. "Caring" is the lowest point of entry.

You can certainly both-sides the effectiveness of right vs. left towards improving inclusion and equality, but I'd disagree with the idea that I care about blacks as little as the guy who blames crime in Chicago for why a black woman in Dallas hit a glass ceiling.
The bourgeois “left” has little problem promoting inclusion and equality as long as it doesn’t cost anything. Civil rights are free. Voting rights are free. LGBT rights are free. Corporations that want to stay in business little choice but to act inclusive when the young labor pool is majority nonwhite.

Closing socioeconomic gaps is expensive. MLK knew this. He made the exact same criticisms of white liberals.

[DMC]

Caring doesn't always translate to effectiveness. "Caring" is the lowest point of entry.

You can certainly both-sides the effectiveness of right vs. left towards improving inclusion and equality, but I'd disagree with the idea that I care about blacks as little as the guy who blames crime in Chicago for why a black woman in Dallas hit a glass ceiling.

You make different arguments but the same black family has the same outcome regardless, because your social moral posturing happens within your bubble of caring and doesn't reach anyone but your social group.

[Adam Lambert]

The bourgeois “left” has little problem promoting inclusion and equality as long as it doesn’t cost anything. Civil rights are free. Voting rights are free. LGBT rights are free. Corporations that want to stay in business little choice but to act inclusive when the young labor pool is majority nonwhite.

Universal Pre-K is not free. UBI is not free. Investing in public schools is not free. Those ideas have a multi-racial benefit but are typically resisted in large part to the black welfare queen caricature, for example. Where caring comes in is focusing on those who might genuinely benefit instead of those who might take advantage for reasons we don't like. Caring is a necessary starting point.

[Adam Lambert]

You make different arguments but the same black family has the same outcome regardless, because your social moral posturing happens within your bubble of caring and doesn't reach anyone but your social group.

Not if I'm the one hiring.

[Extra Stout]

but I'd disagree with the idea that I care about blacks as little as the guy who blames crime in Chicago for why a black woman in Dallas hit a glass ceiling.
This unwittingly restates my point. The standard of comparison is the other kind of white people, not people in general. White people are the default. The goal is to be superior to the other kind of white people, which places you at the top of the heap. It’s about status. You’re not really letting go of white supremacy.

[DMC]

Universal Pre-K is not free. UBI is not free. Investing in public schools is not free. Those ideas have a multi-racial benefit but are typically resisted in large part to the black welfare queen caricature, for example. Where caring comes in is focusing on those who might genuinely benefit instead of those who might take advantage for reasons we don't like. Caring is a necessary starting point.

The left had the oval office and both the house and senate. They didn't do any of that.

[Adam Lambert]

This unwittingly restates my point. The standard of comparison is the other kind of white people, not people in general. White people are the default. The goal is to be superior to the other kind of white people, which places you at the top of the heap. It’s about status. You’re not really letting go of white supremacy.

It was a direct response to your "leftist whites vs. MAGA" comparison.

[baseline bum]

The left had the oval office and both the house and senate. They didn't do any of that.

LOL Machin = the left
LOL Biden = the left

[DMC]

Not if I'm the one hiring.

If you're acting on your belief of inclusion then sure, but then would you really need to advertise your absolute whitest of whites moral superiority if you actually didn't see yourself as a morally superior white person?

[Adam Lambert]

The left had the oval office and both the house and senate. They didn't do any of that.

No, the Democrats had control of those chambers.

[DMC]

LOL Machin = the left

Red state/blue state doesn't care about how your elected leaders vote in the house and senate.

[Adam Lambert]

If you're acting on your belief of inclusion then sure, but then would you really need to advertise your absolute whitest of whites moral superiority if you actually didn't see yourself as a morally superior white person?

I mean I do see myself as morally superior to somebody who won't grant an interview to an otherwise qualified candidate named Kaneesha. That's not a high bar IMO but it's still an all-to-common bar.

Like I said, "caring" is the absolute lowest entry point, but it's still an entry point. You can't even start the policy debates without it.

[DMC]

No, the Democrats had control of those chambers.

It's your party. Now you're even trying to divide the democratic party in a red state/blue state thread. So maybe it should be red state/blue state/really really blue state.

Hell, the dems have no responsibility for anything. You'll just keep moving issues around like a shell game since your side was never actually in control.

[Adam Lambert]

It's your party. Now you're even trying to divide the democratic party in a red state/blue state thread. So maybe it should be red state/blue state/really really blue state.

Hell, the dems have no responsibility for anything. You'll just keep moving issues around like a shell game since your side was never actually in control.

I brought up specific policies, you pretended to believe those must be mainstream Democrat policies.

I didn't participate in the first 5 pages of the thread. This is where the discussion has evolved now. I'm sorry if it has gotten too nuanced for you.

[Extra Stout]

Universal Pre-K is not free. UBI is not free. Investing in public schools is not free. Those ideas have a multi-racial benefit but are typically resisted in large part to the black welfare queen caricature, for example. Where caring comes in is focusing on those who might genuinely benefit instead of those who might take advantage for reasons we don't like. Caring is a necessary starting point.
Resources like that perhaps could help (without getting into the ideology of whether or not each one works or not), if those resources are coupled with local people personally invested in the outcomes of other local people. What does not work is advocating for a big spending package, then patting oneself on the back for being a good person, and washing one’s hands of where the money actually goes or what good it does.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes.Oh.

[DMC]

I brought up specific policies, you pretended to believe those must be mainstream Democrat policies.

I didn't participate in the first 5 pages of the thread. This is where the discussion has evolved now. I'm sorry if it has gotten too nuanced for you.

You had the con. I don't care how mainstream these are, your solution is obviously "we need more democratic control" based on the thread title alone here (that you've not disagreed with). It's red or blue. You certainly don't make such distinctions regarding the right.

[Adam Lambert]

Resources like that perhaps could help (without getting into the ideology of whether or not each one works or not), if those resources are coupled with local people personally invested in the outcomes of other local people. What does not work is advocating for a big spending package, then patting oneself on the back for being a good person, and washing one’s hands of where the money actually goes or what good it does.

I agree. But it takes people caring to even get to the resource phase.

[Extra Stout]

I mean I do see myself as morally superior to somebody who won't grant an interview to an otherwise qualified candidate named Kaneesha. That's not a high bar IMO but it's still an all-to-common bar.

Like I said, "caring" is the absolute lowest entry point, but it's still an entry point. You can't even start the policy debates without it.
Yes, it’s a very low bar, and when you fix your eyes on that very low bar, within the United States, in order to feel morally superior, it means you aren’t looking around at the other countries that have been clobbering you over the past 25 years in the metrics you claim to care about, even in the parts of the country where your ideological fellow travelers are in total control.

But that’s OK. You have a ready scapegoat. And they really are pretty terrible. It turns out that Constitution they claimed to revere is just so much toilet paper to them when their herrenvolk democracy is taken away. But the rest of the world sees you as being just a little higher than the low bar they set. Which makes sense, since that was where you were aiming to begin with.

[Thread]

Yes, it’s a very low bar, and when you fix your eyes on that very low bar, within the United States, in order to feel morally superior, it means you aren’t looking around at the other countries that have been clobbering you over the past 25 years in the metrics you claim to care about, even in the parts of the country where your ideological fellow travelers are in total control.

But that’s OK. You have a ready scapegoat. And they really are pretty terrible. It turns out that Constitution they claimed to revere is just so much toilet paper to them when their herrenvolk democracy is taken away. But the rest of the world sees you as being just a little higher than the low bar they set. Which makes sense, since that was where you were aiming to begin with.

In other words...Adam has a clean fuckin' clock now.

[DMC]

Elevated IMR for Blacks persists regardless of income levels, access to health care, etc. The only thing that appears to help is having Black babies delivered by Black doctors and cared for by Black nurses.

This same issue exists for Indigenous Americans, but not for Mestizo Hispanics or Asians.

I think the root cause is that white people, in general, simply don’t have empathy for nonwhites. It’s a primal, tribal, lizard-brain issue.

Mestizo Hispanics appear to benefit from hybrid vigor — they also have very high life expectancy relative to socioeconomic status.

I doubt Asians have a hard time finding empathetic Asian doctors to deliver their children.

Preterm births are higher for blacks (and indigenous Americans) than for whites by a significant margin. Some of this is likely related to lacking prenatal care by physicians and by the parent. Some could be lifestyle, some could be genetic. Lower birth weights among black infants is also a contributing factor. Like you said, this is true regardless of income or region in the US. My question though to you would be whether or not non-white doctors (Hispanic, Indian, Asian) would care more for a black infant than would a white doctor. I cannot recall the last time I was seen by a white doctor.

[Adam Lambert]

Yes, it’s a very low bar, and when you fix your eyes on that very low bar, within the United States, in order to feel morally superior, it means you aren’t looking around at the other countries that have been clobbering you over the past 25 years in the metrics you claim to care about, even in the parts of the country where your ideological fellow travelers are in total control.

But that’s OK. You have a ready scapegoat. And they really are pretty terrible. It turns out that Constitution they claimed to revere is just so much toilet paper to them when their herrenvolk democracy is taken away. But the rest of the world sees you as being just a little higher than the low bar they set. Which makes sense, since that was where you were aiming to begin with.

And those countries are effective because they don't have that scapegoat comprising 40% of the population. Their mainstream "conservative" parties are to the left of the US Democrats.

I'd love if enough people cared enough to hold the Democratic party accountable for ensuring those big spending packages are actually effective. As it is, they can get the votes just by clearing the bar. We get the parties we deserve.

[RandomGuy]

And those countries are effective because they don't have that scapegoat comprising 40% of the population. Their mainstream "conservative" parties are to the left of the US Democrats.

I'd love if enough people cared enough to hold the Democratic party accountable for ensuring those big spending packages are actually effective. As it is, they can get the votes just by clearing the bar. We get the parties we deserve.

Pretty much agreed.

Our 50-50 dynamic is hobbles us in that regard. Even if 70% of the population is for something, the 30% that isn't... controls 50% of the power.

So you get wildly unpopular abortion bans favored by that minority, and pure paralysis that limits the ability of Democrats to pass anything, because anything that can be passed with enough centrist support has been so watered down as to be effectively gutted.

Add in the pure corruptive influence of money after Citizens United that makes the US into essentially a plutarchy, it should come as no surprise that anything that truly benefits the non-wealthy is a very very low legislative priority.

[RandomGuy]

Yes, you people Care So Much, and have such Good Intentions, which is why liberal enclaves like Austin, Portland, etc. have solved all racial inequality since 1965, rather than making inequality worse through gentrification, NIMBYism, policy fads, etc.

There’s a part of me that thinks that a place like Minneapolis deserves it. The self-righteous cat lady progressives pay lip service to solving racial problems, Black people believe them and vote in progressives, then either nothing changes or it gets worse, and so Black people start to think maybe the whole system has to be burnt down.

You come on here and start smug threads like this, which are all about how superior you and your kind are to the other kind of white people, in Oklahoma. The kind who can’t maintain roads or whatever.

Valid Criticisms for the most part.

Still, it is a stupid "both sides" argument. Lazy cynicism that underlies the fact that Republican knee-jerk policy solutions literally do nothing, and purposefully so.

Even hypocritical sops offer better than ... nothing.

I think that the stark fact that so many of hte states that I looked at are below national averages in three seperate categories of well-being, would seem to prove that out.

Whatever Democrats are or should be or Republicans are or should be... the fact remains:

States in which Republicans run the legislative process... tend to do worse for their citizens in general.

[Adam Lambert]

For a country so dependent on state and local governments for policy and the administration of public resources, we spend little to no time discussing state and local politics. This is a bipartisan problem. The countries that are lapping us have strong federal governments. They're also smaller, so they avoid a lot of the hurdles inherent to the US and its large and multicultural population.

[DMC]

Valid Criticisms for the most part.

Still, it is a stupid "both sides" argument. Lazy cynicism that underlies the fact that Republican knee-jerk policy solutions literally do nothing, and purposefully so.

Even hypocritical sops offer better than ... nothing.

I think that the stark fact that so many of hte states that I looked at are below national averages in three seperate categories of well-being, would seem to prove that out.

Whatever Democrats are or should be or Republicans are or should be... the fact remains:

States in which Republicans run the legislative process... tend to do worse for their citizens in general.

You cherry picked data sets to back up your "hypothesis", ignoring newer data for confirmation bias supporting older samples. You'd not make a good scientist. You also picked three metrics that you personally chose as proof.
Had you picked metrics that are accepted as defining for what you're going for, that'd be different. You can't be both the standard and the variable.

[DMC]

For a country so dependent on state and local governments for policy and the administration of public resources, we spend little to no time discussing state and local politics. This is a bipartisan problem. The countries that are lapping us have strong federal governments. They're also smaller, so they avoid a lot of the hurdles inherent to the US and its large and multicultural population.

It's another case of wanting everything. We won't sacrifice our military might, we want to win all the Olympic games, we want to be the 1st in inventions, R&D, medicine, space exploration, etc...
Countries are lapping us in things we don't focus on because they don't touch things we are focused on, because they aren't concerned with being better at everything globally. They also aren't trying to police the world while not being able to police their own neighborhoods.

[Winehole23]

(As far as policing our neighborhoods go, throwing money at the police doesn't seem to be doing the trick[the US spends more money on police than anyone], maybe we should start throwing more money at the determinants of the problem like poverty, jobs and access to capital and institutions.)

[DMC]

(As far as policing our neighborhoods go, throwing money at the police doesn't seem to be doing the trick[the US spends more money on police than anyone], maybe we should start throwing more money at the determinants of the problem like poverty, jobs and access to capital and institutions.)

You have the con. Get after it.

[Winehole23]

You have the con. Get after it.lame :lol

You sound like the pious Marxist who continually interrupts telling other people to stop talking and organize. I get what you mean, but it's a boring rhetorical gambit, it seldom leads to anything but useless bickering.

We're discussing stuff on a bulletin board, there isn't anything for me to get after besides the conversation at the moment.

I think you should keep talking about me, it makes you look smart. :tu

[DMC]

lame :lol

You sound like the pious Marxist who continually interrupts telling other people to stop talking and organize. I get what you mean, but it's a boring rhetorical gambit, it seldom leads to anything but useless bickering.

We're discussing stuff on a bulletin board, there isn't anything for me to get after besides the conversation at the moment.

I think you should keep talking about me, it makes you look smart. :tu

You're free to throw money at whatever you want, ergo you have the control. Get after it. I know you want a group movement where you get to spectate and yell from the stands, but that's proven to not change the outcomes of games. Plus, you responded to me. You know my opinion already on idle bitching.

[DMC]

The thread backfired on RG.. :lol

[Winehole23]

You're free to throw money at whatever you want, ergo you have the control. Get after it. I know you want a group movement where you get to spectate and yell from the stands, but that's proven to not change the outcomes of games. Plus, you responded to me. You know my opinion already on idle bitching.How are you changing the outcome of the game?

Btw, thanks for continuing to talk about me, I'm sure other posters find it super interesting!

[HemisfairArena]

(As far as policing our neighborhoods go, throwing money at the police doesn't seem to be doing the trick[the US spends more money on police than anyone], maybe we should start throwing more money at the determinants of the problem like poverty, jobs and access to capital and institutions.)

So lets see there, Wine Ho,,,by your philosophy,,,we should stop throwing money at cancer research and a cure but instead throw money at the companies causing cancer like the tobacco industry. Is that what youre telling?

[HemisfairArena]

And wine ho,,,thats what you democrats do,,,they raised prices on cigarettes,,,barred people from smoking in establishments,,,,tell me how that worked out for ya. They thought just like you did,,,go after the source instead of supporting the solution. People will always smoke,,,,so the end game is create a cure. You democrats never think ahead.

[ChumpDumper]

That was a whole lot of stupid in two posts.

[DMC]

How are you changing the outcome of the game?

Btw, thanks for continuing to talk about me, I'm sure other posters find it super interesting!

I'm not changing anything. I just come here for the refreshments.

Throwing money at poverty. Because money is the reason poverty exists. It's not institutionalized racism.

What more do you need than control of the political offices that make these changes? That's what the dems have now, had then. Didn't do shit.

:cry "but Manchin"
:cry "but Biden"

Two motherfuckers the left voted for.

[Winehole23]

I'm not changing anything. I just come here for the refreshments.

Throwing money at poverty. Because money is the reason poverty exists. It's not institutionalized racism.it doesn't seem clear to me that material deprivation and the existence of racism are mutually exclusive, how did you reach that conclusion?

[DMC]

it doesn't seem clear to me that material deprivation and the existence of racism are mutually exclusive, how did you reach that conclusion?
So throw money at racism?

"These people are bleeding to death! How can we stop this and prevent it in the future!"

WH "Throw blood at them"

[Winehole23]

So throw money at racism?

"These people are bleeding to death! How can we stop this and prevent it in the future!"

WH "Throw blood at them"typical semantic sophism.

do continue, you're just starting to impress.

[koriwhat]

All I can say is, living in the greatest of red states, Texas, I have yet to almost step in human feces but while visiting California, back in 2019, I was hard pressed to find a sidewalk not riddled with human shit or piss. If Texas is a dystopian hellhole then I'll take it 10/10!

[DMC]

typical semantic sophism.

do continue, you're just starting to impress.

Typical sedentary internet alarmist.

You've not impressed, not even close.

[Winehole23]

Typical sedentary internet alarmist.

You've not impressed, not even close.I wasn't trying to impress anyone, I was just responding to you moping about the lack of policing in "muh neighborhood"

[RandomGuy]

You cherry picked data sets to back up your "hypothesis", ignoring newer data for confirmation bias supporting older samples. You'd not make a good scientist. You also picked three metrics that you personally chose as proof.
Had you picked metrics that are accepted as defining for what you're going for, that'd be different. You can't be both the standard and the variable.

Feel free to provide alternate metrics for human well being.

Be specific.

[RandomGuy]

I threw out a lot of lists and maps and made some conclusions. Even then I don't consider any of that to be an hypothesis because I didn't actually test any of it. I started looking at the available data and just noticed that the IMR for whites in these red states doesn't spike above the noise nationally, nor does the IMR for blacks statewide, however since blacks have such a higher IMR, the clustering of high IMR births in certain areas would naturally elevate the average. It seems then that, although 6.5 or so IMR for whites is higher than some other areas, 13 for blacks is 2x that so should be the concern. Instead though, you wanted to use the average. It's probably not a good idea to ignore disparities and focus instead on averages.

I won't follow your "political control" red herring. I've already shown (and you've admitted) that it is likely more correlation than causation, and you've completely ignored underlying factors. Someone with a real hypothesis wouldn't do that.

DMC: I spit on your hypothesis. it isn't even scientific

RG: [demostrates it fits the logical scientific form] Ok then provide your own hypothesis.

DMC: no. your metrics suck.

RG: ok, provide an alternate set of metrics

DMC: no. look how bad it is for black people. I win the the argument. neener neener.

:rolleyes

[RandomGuy]

The thread backfired on RG.. :lol




So lets start with infant mortality rate. download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/infant-death-rate/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D
Life expectancy: download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/life-expectancy/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D
Education, high school graduate percentage downloaded dataset https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-literacy-rate-by-state.html

Took an average from all states for each metric. Any state with a stat below average was put into the running for that stat.

The following states were below average on all three, IMR, life-expectancy, and high school graduation rate:

Alabama
Arkansas
Georgia
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Nevada
North Carolina
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
West Virginia

These states meet the definition of "dystopian hellholes", i.e. lower than average in education, infant mortality and life expectancy.

Soooo next step. To determine control of state government of each of those states. Two out of three Executive, house, senage at state level.



Ballotopedia provided a decent data. https://ballotpedia.org/Partisan_composition_of_state_legislatures


A state is a red state if it has a republican control of two out of the three: Governor, house, senate

Alabama red
Arkansas red
Georgia red
Mississippi red
Missouri red
Oklahoma red
South Carolina red
Tennessee red
West Virginia red
North Carolina red
Kentucky red
Louisiana red

Nevada Blue

All but NC, KY, and LA are trifectas. Those three have the fascist party firmly in control of the state legislature, and democratic governors

Pattern is very clear.

:lmao

[DMC]

Yes, you people Care So Much, and have such Good Intentions, which is why liberal enclaves like Austin, Portland, etc. have solved all racial inequality since 1965, rather than making inequality worse through gentrification, NIMBYism, policy fads, etc.

There’s a part of me that thinks that a place like Minneapolis deserves it. The self-righteous cat lady progressives pay lip service to solving racial problems, Black people believe them and vote in progressives, then either nothing changes or it gets worse, and so Black people start to think maybe the whole system has to be burnt down.

You come on here and start smug threads like this, which are all about how superior you and your kind are to the other kind of white people, in Oklahoma. The kind who can’t maintain roads or whatever.


Valid Criticisms for the most part.

Still, it is a stupid "both sides" argument. Lazy cynicism that underlies the fact that Republican knee-jerk policy solutions literally do nothing, and purposefully so.

Even hypocritical sops offer better than ... nothing.

I think that the stark fact that so many of hte states that I looked at are below national averages in three seperate categories of well-being, would seem to prove that out.

Whatever Democrats are or should be or Republicans are or should be... the fact remains:

States in which Republicans run the legislative process... tend to do worse for their citizens in general.


DMC: I spit on your hypothesis. it isn't even scientific

RG: [demostrates it fits the logical scientific form] Ok then provide your own hypothesis.

DMC: no. your metrics suck.

RG: ok, provide an alternate set of metrics

DMC: no. look how bad it is for black people. I win the the argument. neener neener.

:rolleyes

Putting words in people's mouths to try to steal a "w" here isn't going to work. You were wrong about education, wrong about IMR and life expectancy means not much after about 70. Of course you dilute the black man's life expectancy using white numbers.

ES sent it, you caught it right in your gaping maw.

[DMC]

:lol "life expectancy"

https://i.imgur.com/s7vr5Ze.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RZti0rh.jpg

[DMC]

I wasn't trying to impress anyone, I was just responding to you moping about the lack of policing in "muh neighborhood"

Since the facts don't flatter you, you're relegated to lying. I never said anything about my neighborhood or the lack of policing. I said they also aren't trying to police the world while not being able to police their own neighborhoods. I guess putting "muh" before everything instantly renders things unimportant though.

The fact is that I didn't ask you, and that you were more focused on me than on the topic else you'd have known I was referring to other countries, not neighborhoods.

[Ef-man]

:lol "life expectancy"

https://i.imgur.com/s7vr5Ze.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RZti0rh.jpg

:lmao :lmao

The least black populated states touting longevity!

There are less than 100k blacks in Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, SD, and ND.

[DMC]

:lmao :lmao

The least black populated states touting longevity!

There are less than 100k blacks in Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, SD, and ND.

Black life expectancy is still the same. Population doesn't matter here, idiot :lol

The point isn't to show who's better or worse here as far as states, but the disparity between black and white life expectancies. If you're going to advertise your life expectancy numbers, and you're not spiking out the disparity, you're only advertising to whites.

[DMC]

all this and still RG's family is kept here in Texas, a red state that shortens their life expectancy and lowers their potential income and education. :lol

[RandomGuy]

:lol "life expectancy"

https://i.imgur.com/s7vr5Ze.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RZti0rh.jpg

So what?

Seriously, explain exactly what this means. Use your words.

[RandomGuy]

Putting words in people's mouths to try to steal a "w" here isn't going to work. You were wrong about education, wrong about IMR and life expectancy means not much after about 70. Of course you dilute the black man's life expectancy using white numbers.

ES sent it, you caught it right in your gaping maw.

That is neither a testable hypothesis, nor any suggested metrics for well-being to test for dystopian hellholes.

Nor does it explain how those bad black people are skewing wyomings IMR.

So much fail. You. Suck. So. Bad. At. This. :lol

[RandomGuy]

all this and still RG's family is kept here in Texas, a red state that shortens their life expectancy and lowers their potential income and education. :lol

Can't resist the personal attack. smh

Your go-to when you know, deep down, you are losing badly.

You will note Texas didn't make the list, dipshit, so you can't even get the nasty personal attack right.

Jesus you are dumb.

[DarrinS]

Oddly enough, Californians moving in droves to super red states. Oh well.

[DMC]

So what?

Seriously, explain exactly what this means. Use your words.

It's simple actually but you don't read my words. You haven't so far so I show you big pictures.

These averages you're showing mean shit if you don't fall into an average, like if you're black or some other minority whose numbers get diluted in the avalanche of majority (white) stats.

You say a red state has the lowest life expectancy. You're celebrating the life expectancy of blue states with lower black populations. Rhode Island has the lowest life expectancy for blacks.

Either way, the concave, almost vertical slope on that chart for black is in stark contrast to the convex, much better outlook chart for whites. What do you do? You take the "better state for white people" approach and pretend "white people" is "all people".

[DMC]

Can't resist the personal attack. smh

Your go-to when you know, deep down, you are losing badly.

You will note Texas didn't make the list, dipshit, so you can't even get the nasty personal attack right.

Jesus you are dumb.

Nothing there is a personal attack. It's a fact. If you feel that's a personal attack then you should be doing everything in your power to relocate your family. You're the one saying the area you chose to live and raise your family is a dystopian hell hole. It's your thread, Sherlock.

[DMC]

That is neither a testable hypothesis, nor any suggested metrics for well-being to test for dystopian hellholes.

Nor does it explain how those bad black people are skewing wyomings IMR.

So much fail. You. Suck. So. Bad. At. This. :lol
The chart you showed has Wyoming at 37. I told you this once already you fucking dummy, but you skimmed over it while trying to cipher.

[DMC]

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/infant-death-rate/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Infant%20Deaths%22,%22 sort%22:%22desc%22%7D

https://i.imgur.com/DcYbGLZ.jpg

This is from your link. :lol

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/Qg7NQIf.jpg

Oh lookie at the black population concentration by state. Odd how these same states have the highest black population AND the highest IMR.

Yeah that makes no sense to a real mathematician.


So lets start with infant mortality rate. download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/infant-death-rate/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D
Life expectancy: download the table from https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/life-expectancy/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D
Education, high school graduate percentage downloaded dataset https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/us-literacy-rate-by-state.html

Took an average from all states for each metric. Any state with a stat below average was put into the running for that stat.

The following states were below average on all three, IMR, life-expectancy, and high school graduation rate:

Alabama
Arkansas
Georgia
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Nevada
North Carolina
Oklahoma
South Carolina
Tennessee
West Virginia

These states meet the definition of "dystopian hellholes", i.e. lower than average in education, infant mortality and life expectency.

Soooo next step. To determine control of state government of each of those states. Two out of three Executive, house, senage at state level.
:lol

So why would Delaware and Maryland be stuck in there? Oh I know, they too have a high IMR

And Blacks in Mississippi don't have the highest IMR in the country. Not even close.

https://i.imgur.com/3mEHvQY.jpg

[Ef-man]

Black life expectancy is still the same. Population doesn't matter here, idiot :lol

The point isn't to show who's better or worse here as far as states, but the disparity between black and white life expectancies. If you're going to advertise your life expectancy numbers, and you're not spiking out the disparity, you're only advertising to whites.

For these states, race population size does matter.

They have a history of bad data, especially of mortality of races other than white. See infant mortality N/As for these states by race below:

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/infant-mortality-rate-by-race-ethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D

A 2013-14 ranking with better life expectancy data for African Americans shows a different picture. Am listing top states where African American life expectancy is 75 or better (i.e., at least 1/2 a year close to the overall average life expectancy of African Americans in US - 75.54). Note this ranking only has 37 states and DC because data fidelity issues associated with those missing states.

LIFE EXPECTANCY
AFRICAN AMERICAN
State---Years
1.Minnesota---79.72
2.Massachusetts---78.81
3.Connecticut---77.78
4.Washington---77.53
5.New York---77.42
6.Oregon---77.20
7.Colorado---76.68
8.Arizona---76.46
9.Nevada---75.91
10.Florida---75.84
11.New Jersey---75.49
12.Maryland---75.48
13.Delaware---75.40
14.Iowa---75.28
15.Virginia---75.28
16.California---75.08

With exception of DC, states with higher African American longevity are blue states. Red states were at bottom on longevity for African Americans. There was a 7 years longevity difference between lowest red state and highest blue state for African Americans.

https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/life-expectancy-african-american

There is also date for white Americans.

Blue states also are good for white American longevity, red states, not so much (bottom 10 were red states).
LIFE EXPECTANCY
WHITE AMERICAN
State---Years
1. Wash DC---84.29 (Great to be rich and white in DC)
2. Minnesota---81.23
3. Connecticut---81.04
4. New York---80.47
5. South Dakota---80.44
6. Massachusetts---80.40
7. Hawaii---80.37
8. Vermont---80.35
9. Wisconsin---80.31
10. New Jersey---80.30
11. Colorado---80.24
12. North Dakota---80.20
13. New Hampshire---80.15
14. Utah---80.10
15. Nebraska---79.99
16. California---79.83

Note that for white Americans that data includes 50 states plus DC. There was a 9 year longevity difference between lowest red state versus highest blue state for white Americans.

https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/life-expectancy-white

As an aside, there is data in site on median state incomes. States that are at bottom median income list are red states.

[RandomGuy]

:lol "life expectancy"

https://i.imgur.com/s7vr5Ze.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RZti0rh.jpg

Your argument:

RG is wrong when he says these red states do poorly on average. It is really the black people in these red states that do so poorly that is dragging down the average.

Let's roll with that.

Why are Republican led states so closely correlated to poor black well being. Do tell.

[Thread]

Your argument:

RG is wrong when he says these red states do poorly on average. It is really the black people in these red states that do so poorly that is dragging down the average.

Let's roll with that.

Why are Republican led states so closely correlated to poor black well being. Do tell.

There ya are, RG; back to the RG I know and love.

RG

[DMC]

Your argument:

RG is wrong when he says these red states do poorly on average. It is really the black people in these red states that do so poorly that is dragging down the average. Wrong. It's the fact you ignore even higher black IMR in northern states in favor of the average. If 6.5 IMR is "dystopian", what is 13 IMR?

Let's roll with that.

Why are Republican led states so closely correlated to poor black well being. Do tell.Actually I've already shown that the blue states have higher black IMR and higher racial inequalities. You keep getting it wrong.


This false narrative you keep pushing has been debunked several times in this thread. You keep zooming right past it to repeat the same retarded, false claims.

[DMC]

For these states, race population size does matter.

They have a history of bad data, especially of mortality of races other than white. See infant mortality N/As for these states by race below:

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/infant-mortality-rate-by-race-ethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22 :%22asc%22%7D

Bad data has nothing to do with population. There are other sites that do have that information. Race is captured on birth and death certs, and somehow you were ok with Wyoming's data.


A 2013-14 ranking with better life expectancy data for African Americans shows a different picture. Am listing top states where African American life expectancy is 75 or better (i.e., at least 1/2 a year close to the overall average life expectancy of African Americans in US - 75.54). Note this ranking only has 37 states and DC because data fidelity issues associated with those missing states.

Too bad we're not in 2013-2014.


LIFE EXPECTANCY
AFRICAN AMERICAN
State---Years
1.Minnesota---79.72
2.Massachusetts---78.81
3.Connecticut---77.78
4.Washington---77.53
5.New York---77.42
6.Oregon---77.20
7.Colorado---76.68
8.Arizona---76.46
9.Nevada---75.91
10.Florida---75.84
11.New Jersey---75.49
12.Maryland---75.48
13.Delaware---75.40
14.Iowa---75.28
15.Virginia---75.28
16.California---75.08

With exception of DC, states with higher African American longevity are blue states. Red states were at bottom on longevity for African Americans. There was a 7 years longevity difference between lowest red state and highest blue state for African Americans.

https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/life-expectancy-african-american

There is also date for white Americans.

Blue states also are good for white American longevity, red states, not so much (bottom 10 were red states).
LIFE EXPECTANCY
WHITE AMERICAN
State---Years
1. Wash DC---84.29 (Great to be rich and white in DC) 16 year discrepancy between white and black life expectancy
2. Minnesota---81.23
3. Connecticut---81.04
4. New York---80.47
5. South Dakota---80.44
6. Massachusetts---80.40
7. Hawaii---80.37
8. Vermont---80.35
9. Wisconsin---80.31
10. New Jersey---80.30
11. Colorado---80.24
12. North Dakota---80.20
13. New Hampshire---80.15
14. Utah---80.10
15. Nebraska---79.99
16. California---79.83

Note that for white Americans that data includes 50 states plus DC. There was a 9 year longevity difference between lowest red state versus highest blue state for white Americans.

https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa/life-expectancy-white

As an aside, there is data in site on median state incomes. States that are at bottom median income list are red states.

https://i.imgur.com/amUwryC.jpg

Now look at disparities. The averages don't capture the inequalities and disparities. You see the greatest disparities are in the blue states, either by political design or by geographical and sociological outcome. RG wants to say these issues are political, but if that's true then politics in these blue states is only favoring the white man. In the red states, if it's fucking people, it's fucking all races.

[RandomGuy]

This false narrative you keep pushing has been debunked several times in this thread. You keep zooming right past it to repeat the same retarded, false claims.

Then clearly, and briefly explain how exactly anything I have posted has been debunked?

jesus fucking christ on a stick you are worse than Cosmored.

The only thing missing is 99 posts about a flapping jacket.

You have in no way debunked a goddman thing. Saying you have done a thing is different than claiming you have done a thing.


explain clearly or admit you are talking out of your ass.

[Ef-man]

Bad data has nothing to do with population. There are other sites that do have that information. Race is captured on birth and death certs, and somehow you were ok with Wyoming's data.

Too bad we're not in 2013-2014.


https://i.imgur.com/amUwryC.jpg

Now look at disparities. The averages don't capture the inequalities and disparities. You see the greatest disparities are in the blue states, either by political design or by geographical and sociological outcome. RG wants to say these issues are political, but if that's true then politics in these blue states is only favoring the white man. In the red states, if it's fucking people, it's fucking all races.

Bad data from these states matter.

If African American infant mortality information is not available, the average longevity of African Americans in the state will increase.

Plus, the chart you use has the average US male life expectancy at under 70 instead of 77.

You with the bad data, again.

[RandomGuy]

in the red states, if it's fucking people, it's fucking all races.


that is exactly the point I have been making.

you.
dumb.
ass.

your red herring argument is pure sophistry.


Argument:

Red states suck, because they fail at many common measures of well-being.

DMC red herring:

WHAT ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE... ARGLE BARGLE... AVERAGES.... BARGLE BARGLE... IMR....



What does red herring mean? A red herring is a tool used in argument. The red herring fallacy causes a distraction in n argument that draws attention off-topic.

Because of this, a red herring is a type of logical fallacy. A red herring is a way for a speaker to win an argument by bringing up a matter that is irrelevant to the main issue.

Rough outline of a red herring:

Topic A is argued
Speaker brings up Topic B, irrelevant to Topic A
Topic A is either ignored or forgotten because Topic B takes precedence

Topic A: Red states are bad for their residents.
DMC brings up Topic B, Black people suffer from increased infant mortality rates

smh.

[RandomGuy]

[
https://i.imgur.com/3mEHvQY.jpg

:lol

In all but two of those states, both whites and blacks did worse than the national average, which is my point.

So let's overlay your graphic with control of the state government.

Control = majority of legislature, both houses, same metric as I used before for cross indexing.

Wisconsin R
Oklahoma R
Arkansas R
Iowa R
Indiana R
North Carolina R
Kansas R
South Carolina R
Tennessee R
Georgia R
Louisiana R
Florida R
Mississippi. R

Delaware D
Illinois D


white, black, whatever. Look for human misery... and there is almost a certainty that there are Republicans in charge of writing laws.

[koriwhat]

LMAO All RandomPussy and Effeminate-man do is REeEeEeEeeeeeEEeee! :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

that is exactly the point I have been making.

you.
dumb.
ass.

your red herring argument is pure sophistry.


Argument:

Red states suck, because they fail at many common measures of well-being.

DMC red herring:

WHAT ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE... ARGLE BARGLE... AVERAGES.... BARGLE BARGLE... IMR....



Topic A: Red states are bad for their residents.
DMC brings up Topic B, Black people suffer from increased infant mortality rates

smh.

:lol DMCRT backs into agreeing with you

[DMC]

:lol

In all but two of those states, both whites and blacks did worse than the national average, which is my point.

So let's overlay your graphic with control of the state government.

Control = majority of legislature, both houses, same metric as I used before for cross indexing.

Wisconsin R
Oklahoma R
Arkansas R
Iowa R
Indiana R
North Carolina R
Kansas R
South Carolina R
Tennessee R
Georgia R
Louisiana R
Florida R
Mississippi. R

Delaware D
Illinois D


white, black, whatever. Look for human misery... and there is almost a certainty that there are Republicans in charge of writing laws.

Racial disparity isn't a "whatever".

Pretty sure in all instances white men are writing the laws.

Which states did blacks do better than the national average?

[DMC]

that is exactly the point I have been making.

you.
dumb.
ass.

your red herring argument is pure sophistry.


Argument:

Red states suck, because they fail at many common measures of well-being.

DMC red herring:

WHAT ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE... ARGLE BARGLE... AVERAGES.... BARGLE BARGLE... IMR....



Topic A: Red states are bad for their residents.
DMC brings up Topic B, Black people suffer from increased infant mortality rates

smh.

None of these states are prisons. People are free to come and go. Blacks fare better in Southern states. You're focused only on whites. This is what I've said since the start. The most disgusting disparity is in DC, something you casually brush aside. You brush aside any dem controlled regions where blacks fare worse, because you're looking for whatever metric you can use to try for a "w" after your silly ass thread was started.

I didn't say whites fared worse, I said if they fared worse, then it's the same for all races. It's not discriminatory. Discrimination and inequality are hallmarks of this dystopian society you mentioned in the thread title.

You've made it abundantly clear that you couldn't give 2 shits about black people. Stop the moral posturing as if you do. You're only trying to impress your white friends.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao DMCRT realizes his fuckup and tries to rage his way out of it

[RandomGuy]

white, black, whatever. Look for human misery... and there is almost a certainty that there are Republicans in charge of writing laws.


Racial disparity isn't a "whatever".

Pretty sure in all instances white men are writing the laws.

Which states did blacks do better than the national average?

... and there is the point where it finally sinks in. :lol

Red herring harder.

[DMC]

Since Mississippi became a U.S. state, it has had 64 governors, including 50 Democrats, 7 Republicans and 7 from other parties. ... 10 governors (David Holmes, Gerard Brandon, Charles Lynch, John A. Quitman, John J. Pettus, Adelbert Ames, John Marshall Stone, Theodore G.

Dems had the con the longest, not a lot of progress there.

[DMC]

... and there is the point where it finally sinks in. :lol

Red herring harder.

There's human misery in northern states unless you consider black misery to be subhuman.

I noticed you stopped talking about Wyoming :lol

[RandomGuy]

Nothing there is a personal attack. It's a fact. If you feel that's a personal attack then you should be doing everything in your power to relocate your family. You're the one saying the area you chose to live [Texas-RG] and raise your family is a dystopian hell hole. It's your thread, Sherlock.


Alabama red
Arkansas red
Georgia red
Mississippi red
Missouri red
Oklahoma red
South Carolina red
Tennessee red
West Virginia red
North Carolina red
Kentucky red
Louisiana red

Nevada Blue

Can't even do circumstantial ad hominem right. :lmao

[RandomGuy]

Nothing there is a personal attack. It's a fact. If you feel that's a personal attack then you should be doing everything in your power to relocate your family. You're the one saying the area you chose to live and raise your family is a dystopian hell hole. It's your thread, Sherlock.

But hey, let's say that Texas was on the list.

Here is your logical fallacy, one you make all the fucking time, because you are a moron:


Appeal to Hypocrisy
This is also known as Tu quoque.

This is the fallacy where what one person says something that appears out of character according to another person's view of him, therefore it is rejected by that other person.

Person A makes claim C.
Person A engages in an activity that contradicts claim C.
Therefore claim C is false.

Even if I chose to remain in a dystopian hellhole, it would still meet that defin-tion, and THEREFORE still almost certainly be a state run on failed Republican policies.

[DMC]

Can't even do circumstantial ad hominem right. :lmao

Texas is a red state. You can pretend it's not, but you cherry pick your moments to call the state red. Cherry picking is the 1st sign of non-scientific, bias and outcome driven "research".

[DMC]

But hey, let's say that Texas was on the list.

Here is your logical fallacy, one you make all the fucking time, because you are a moron:

You're the one here defending your decision to live in Texas by saying Texas doesn't qualify as a red state. You obviously think the point has merit. I wasn't using the comment to prove or disprove your claim, only to say you don't actually believe it.

[DMC]

I'll ask again - in which states did blacks fare better than the national average?

[RandomGuy]

Texas is a red state. You can pretend it's not, but you cherry pick your moments to call the state red. Cherry picking is the 1st sign of non-scientific, bias and outcome driven "research".

Don't those goal posts get heavy? :rollin

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[RandomGuy]

I'll ask again - in which states did blacks fare better than the national average?

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[DMC]

Act now and we will throw in red herring diet supplements FOR FREE!!! nom nom nom1!1!!!!

So you fold. You're only discussing white people.

You got embarrassed by ES and now you're acting out.

[RandomGuy]

Since Mississippi became a U.S. state, it has had 64 governors, including 50 Democrats, 7 Republicans and 7 from other parties. ... 10 governors (David Holmes, Gerard Brandon, Charles Lynch, John A. Quitman, John J. Pettus, Adelbert Ames, John Marshall Stone, Theodore G.

Dems had the con the longest, not a lot of progress there.

But wait there's more!!! for an extra 5.99 and we will add in podcasts on how to completely ignore the Republican Southern Strategy! pesky racism getting you down? apply this ignorance, and you can pretend modern Republican racists aren't the same racists that used to be Demcorats!

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao now DMCRT tries to adopt the Prager University history of southern party politics.

:lmao the sheer desperation

[RandomGuy]

So you fold. You're only discussing white people.

You got embarrassed by ES and now you're acting out.

act now! operators are standing by!

[DMC]

https://media.giphy.com/media/dudcZA9e14HIY/giphy.gif
Someone is itching to come to the table :lol

[DMC]

But wait there's more!!! for an extra 5.99 and we will add in podcasts on how to completely ignore the Republican Southern Strategy! pesky racism getting you down? apply this ignorance, and you can pretend modern Republican racists aren't the same racists that used to be Demcorats!

:lol Ronnie Musgrove 2004.

:lol the "no true Scotsman" fallacy rears its head.

[RandomGuy]

:lol Ronnie Musgrove 2004.

:lol the "no true Scotsman" fallacy rears its head.

Come down to crazy DMC's House of Misapplied and Thinly Understood Fallacies!!

Let our experienced staff use words like "no true Scotsman fallacy" and be amazed at their complete inability to demonstrate how it works at any time during the day1

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[koriwhat]

You've made it abundantly clear that you couldn't give 2 shits about black people.

Truer words have never been "typed". :tu

These hacks here are the most racist dipshits ever as they believe they're the mouthpieces for "people of color", as if that term alone isn't racist. Fuck these dumb ass regressives and I hope they all burn in hell!

[koriwhat]

Come down to crazy DMC's House of Misapplied and Thinly Understood Fallacies!!

Let our experienced staff use words like "no true Scotsman fallacy" and be amazed at their complete inability to demonstrate how it works at any time during the day1

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So you have no rebuttal? You're such a sore loser you fucking pussy! :tu

[DMC]

Truer words have never been "typed". :tu

These hacks here are the most racist dipshits ever as they believe they're the mouthpieces for "people of color", as if that term alone isn't racist. Fuck these dumb ass regressives and I hope they all burn in hell!

I don't think they are racist, per se. I think they are self centered, and their white supremacy just means they think everyone is below them and to prove it they will, at any opportunity, advertise their moral superiority over other white people since doing so openly against blacks is against the "well adjusted white person" rules. No, that they are above blacks is an unspoken, accepted fact amongst them. They won't hold blacks to any standards as doing so makes them appear racist. Instead they'll ignore that blacks exist except to wear a BLM shirt or use their avatar, and they'll hide the transgressions of their own through smoke and mirrors type cipherin'.

Real anti-racism would focus on human issues and consider how each group is affected in a silo, and not hide these issues until an opportunity arises to present them like they are a new discovery.

[DMC]

Come down to crazy DMC's House of Misapplied and Thinly Understood Fallacies!!

Let our experienced staff use words like "no true Scotsman fallacy" and be amazed at their complete inability to demonstrate how it works at any time during the day1

Stay for our happy hour, and get a two for one special!

No true democrat would ever do that, they were actually secretly republicans - RG's fallacy

[DMC]

https://www.wpr.org/sites/default/files/styles/resp_orig_custom_user_wide_1x/public/library/black_white_incarceration_ratios.jpg

[RandomGuy]

No true democrat would ever do that, they were actually secretly republicans - RG's fallacy

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[RandomGuy]

No true democrat would ever do that, they were actually secretly republicans - RG's fallacy

FWIW:
The phrase:
"you can pretend modern Republican racists aren't the same racists that used to be Demcorats" in no way whatsoever implies that Democrats can't be racists, it is merely an admission that the racists of the past, i.e. Southern Demcorats, are now all the racists of the present and in the Republican party.

The problem for your lie here is the absence of that implication.

Democrats can be racists, and many many of them were. Some still are.

:lol more logic fail.

DMC can't admit to the existence of the Southern Strategy. :rollin


From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act.
The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans.
That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.

[DMC]

https://www.wpr.org/sites/default/files/styles/resp_orig_custom_user_wide_1x/public/library/black_white_incarceration_ratios.jpg

It's not going away.

[ChumpDumper]

DMCRT still agreeing with OP.

[Ef-man]

https://www.wpr.org/sites/default/files/styles/resp_orig_custom_user_wide_1x/public/library/black_white_incarceration_ratios.jpg

Quick look at the numbers shows that red states negatively impact more black people.

Total Number of prisoners in prisons (all races) 2022

The total number of prisoners in the NE blue states is relatively small and poor legal representation from public defenders (only option poor folk have) will skew percentages but it is still small number of persons:

State Total Prison Population
ME -- 1,967
VT -- 1,137
MA --7,503
DE --4,141
RI -- 1,656
CT - 8,751
NH --2,691
NY --43,439


The total number of prisoners in red states is much higher and a greater number of black persons are impacted (even though
the percentage is lower than NE blue states):

State Total Prison Population
MS --18,915
AL --20,595
KY --23,083
OK --25,338
TN --26,349
LA-31,584
NC --33,042
MI --38,053
PA --45,485
OH --50,338
GA --54,113
FL --96,009
TX --154,479

[Ef-man]

Here are the 10 states with the highest prison rates:

Louisiana (684 per 100k)
Mississippi (639 per 100k)
Oklahoma (632 per 100k)
Arkansas (582 per 100k)
Arizona (536 per 100k)
Kentucky (514 per 100k)
Texas (513 per 100k)
Georgia (495 per 100k)
Idaho (452 per 100k)
Florida (433 per 100k)

[Ef-man]

Double Post

[DMC]

https://static.prisonpolicy.org/images/2010rates/MS_Rates_2010.png
~3:1 black to white for Mississippi

https://static.prisonpolicy.org/images/2010rates/MN_Rates_2010.png
~10:1 black to white Minnesota

Not sure what you're even trying to show since the racial disparity is heavily in the democrat run states. It's not about how many people are affected by incarceration, but how one sided those incarcerations are. Fuck around and find out should apply to everyone. In the Northern dem states, whites seem to escape that.

[Ef-man]

https://static.prisonpolicy.org/images/2010rates/MS_Rates_2010.png
~3:1 black to white for Mississippi

https://static.prisonpolicy.org/images/2010rates/MN_Rates_2010.png
~10:1 black to white Minnesota

Not sure what you're even trying to show since the racial disparity is heavily in the democrat run states. It's not about how many people are affected by incarceration, but how one sided those incarcerations are. Fuck around and find out should apply to everyone. In the Northern dem states, whites seem to escape that.

The chart you showed is about racial disparity in prisons but it is comparison of apples to oranges based on the total number of prisoners. Red states are incarceration oriented compared to blue states.

The overall number of prisoners in most blue states (in this case, I sampled the NE states with the "higher disparity") is a tiny fraction of prisoners of that in most red state prisons. This means the number of black prisoners in blue states is not in the same league as those incarcerated in most red states in terms of volume.

As example of volume disparity and a bad case scenario for VT, if VT (1.4% of VT population is black) had a 60% black prisoner population, it would involve 682 persons. As a best case scenario for MS, if MS had a 38% black prisoner population (38% of MS population is black) than you would have 7,187 black prisoners. For MS to have only 682 black prisoners like VT, it would require that under 4% of the prisoners be black.

Also, as you have said before, I provided 2022 data, and this new chart you show is 2010 data. MS in 2022 has prison population of 18,915 in comparison to MS's 6,142 prison population of 2010.

[Ef-man]

As example of volume disparity and a worst case scenario for VT, if VT (1.4% of VT population is black) had a 100% black prisoner population, it would involve 1,137 persons. As a best case scenario for MS, if MS had a 38% black prisoner population (38% of MS population is black) than you would have 7,187 black prisoners. For MS to have only 1,137 black prisoners like VT worst case, it would require that under 6.2% of the prisoners be black.

[DMC]

The chart you showed is about racial disparity in prisons but it is comparison of apples to oranges based on the total number of prisoners. Red states are incarceration oriented compared to blue states.

The overall number of prisoners in most blue states (in this case, I sampled the NE states with the "higher disparity") is a tiny fraction of prisoners of that in most red state prisons. This means the number of black prisoners in blue states is not in the same league as those incarcerated in most red states in terms of volume.

As example of volume disparity and a bad case scenario for VT, if VT (1.4% of VT population is black) had a 60% black prisoner population, it would involve 682 persons. As a best case scenario for MS, if MS had a 38% black prisoner population (38% of MS population is black) than you would have 7,187 black prisoners. For MS to have only 682 black prisoners like VT, it would require that under 4% of the prisoners be black.

Also, as you have said before, I provided 2022 data, and this new chart you show is 2010 data. MS in 2022 has prison population of 18,915 in comparison to MS's 6,142 prison population of 2010.

You brought the oranges. I was referring to disparity in the image you responded to, not total incarcerations. Much of that is going to be population based but fairness of the judicial system is what's in question, racism. Not how strictly laws are enforced. How do you like them apples?

[DMC]

As example of volume disparity and a worst case scenario for VT, if VT (1.4% of VT population is black) had a 100% black prisoner population, it would involve 1,137 persons. As a best case scenario for MS, if MS had a 38% black prisoner population (38% of MS population is black) than you would have 7,187 black prisoners. For MS to have only 1,137 black prisoners like VT worst case, it would require that under 6.2% of the prisoners be black.

That's gibberish.

I showed you the disparity, it's based on population densities of races.

[Ef-man]

You brought the oranges. I was referring to disparity in the image you responded to, not total incarcerations. Much of that is going to be population based but fairness of the judicial system is what's in question, racism. Not how strictly laws are enforced. How do you like them apples?

Low prison densities (blue states) and high prison densities (red states). Big difference. You are just lying if you cannot see that difference.

Comparing two is idiotic but that is just you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's amusing watching the usual idiot make the argument that boils down to "yeah but white people are better off than black people" as their central argument.

[DMC]

Low prison densities (blue states) and high prison densities (red states). Big difference. You are just lying if you cannot see that difference.

Comparing two is idiotic but that is just you.

Who cares about prison densities? Blacks are incarcerated at a rate of 10:1 over whites.

[DMC]

It's amusing watching the usual idiot make the argument that boils down to "yeah but white people are better off than black people" as their central argument.

Says the white guy born on 3rd base, from an all white community.

[Ef-man]

Who cares about prison densities? Blacks are incarcerated at a rate of 10:1 over whites.

Low density prison states have stricter sentencing standard than high density states. They have lower crime rates than red states.

A district attorney in these states will have no trouble in getting a person transporting, say, 100lbs of MJ a heavy prison sentence for first time offense.

In a high crime/high prison density state, a district attorney will not be interested in prosecuting and recommend probation for first time offender transporting 100lbs of MJ. They have bigger fish to fry.

[Ef-man]

But back to the theme of thread, below is a ranking of crime index that affirms red states as being dystopian.

Rank Crime Index ▲ State / Population
1. 950 Vermont / 626,358
2. 956 New Hampshire / 1,321,069
3. 985 North Dakota / 704,925
4. 1,017 Maine / 1,328,535
5. 1,042 South Dakota / 834,708
6. 1,068 Idaho / 1,599,464
7. 1,125 Virginia / 8,185,131
8. 1,136 Wyoming / 575,251
9. 1,171 Connecticut / 3,592,053
10. 1,180 New Jersey / 8,874,374
11. 1,194 New York / 19,594,330
12. 1,203 Iowa / 3,078,116
13. 1,227 Wisconsin / 5,724,692
14. 1,230 Montana / 1,006,370
15. 1,235 West Virginia / 1,853,881
16. 1,268 Rhode Island / 1,053,252
17. 1,298 Minnesota / 5,383,661
18. 1,305 Kentucky / 4,383,272
19. 1,335 Pennsylvania / 12,758,729
20. 1,368 Massachusetts / 6,657,291
21. 1,390 Nebraska / 1,855,617
22. 1,405 Utah / 2,858,111
23. 1,497 Oregon / 3,900,343
24. 1,526 Colorado / 5,197,580
25. 1,584 Mississippi / 2,984,345
26. 1,599 Indiana / 6,542,411
27. 1,608 Hawaii / 1,392,704
28. 1,616 Illinois / 12,868,747
29. 1,670 Kansas / 2,882,946
30. 1,691 Ohio / 11,560,380
31. 1,701 California / 38,066,920
32. 1,757 Michigan / 9,889,024
33. 1,855 Washington / 6,899,123
34. 1,858 Missouri / 6,028,076
35. 1,869 North Carolina / 9,750,405
36. 1,884 Maryland / 5,887,776
37. 1,911 Georgia / 9,907,756
38. 1,938 Oklahoma / 3,818,851
39. 1,941 Alabama / 4,817,678
40. 1,962 Texas / 26,092,033
41. 1,974 Delaware / 917,060
42. 1,986 Alaska / 728,300
43. 2,025 Arizona / 6,561,516
44. 2,065 Arkansas / 2,947,036
45. 2,095 Florida / 19,361,792
46. 2,167 Louisiana / 4,601,049
47. 2,180 Nevada / 2,761,584
48. 2,194 Tennessee / 6,451,365
49. 2,241 New Mexico / 2,080,085
50. 2,253 South Carolina / 4,727,273

[DMC]

Low density prison states have stricter sentencing standard than high density states. They have lower crime rates than red states.

But only black people commit the crimes obviously.


A district attorney in these states will have no trouble in getting a person transporting, say, 100lbs of MJ a heavy prison sentence for first time offense.

Which is only black people.


In a high crime/high prison density state, a district attorney will not be interested in prosecuting and recommend probation for first time offender transporting 100lbs of MJ. They have bigger fish to fry.
What's your point exactly? What does this have to do with racial disparity?

[DMC]

But back to the theme of thread, below is a ranking of crime index that affirms red states as being dystopian.

Rank Crime Index ▲ State / Population
1. 950 Vermont / 626,358
2. 956 New Hampshire / 1,321,069
3. 985 North Dakota / 704,925
4. 1,017 Maine / 1,328,535
5. 1,042 South Dakota / 834,708
6. 1,068 Idaho / 1,599,464
7. 1,125 Virginia / 8,185,131
8. 1,136 Wyoming / 575,251
9. 1,171 Connecticut / 3,592,053
10. 1,180 New Jersey / 8,874,374
11. 1,194 New York / 19,594,330
12. 1,203 Iowa / 3,078,116
13. 1,227 Wisconsin / 5,724,692
14. 1,230 Montana / 1,006,370
15. 1,235 West Virginia / 1,853,881
16. 1,268 Rhode Island / 1,053,252
17. 1,298 Minnesota / 5,383,661
18. 1,305 Kentucky / 4,383,272
19. 1,335 Pennsylvania / 12,758,729
20. 1,368 Massachusetts / 6,657,291
21. 1,390 Nebraska / 1,855,617
22. 1,405 Utah / 2,858,111
23. 1,497 Oregon / 3,900,343
24. 1,526 Colorado / 5,197,580
25. 1,584 Mississippi / 2,984,345
26. 1,599 Indiana / 6,542,411
27. 1,608 Hawaii / 1,392,704
28. 1,616 Illinois / 12,868,747
29. 1,670 Kansas / 2,882,946
30. 1,691 Ohio / 11,560,380
31. 1,701 California / 38,066,920
32. 1,757 Michigan / 9,889,024
33. 1,855 Washington / 6,899,123
34. 1,858 Missouri / 6,028,076
35. 1,869 North Carolina / 9,750,405
36. 1,884 Maryland / 5,887,776
37. 1,911 Georgia / 9,907,756
38. 1,938 Oklahoma / 3,818,851
39. 1,941 Alabama / 4,817,678
40. 1,962 Texas / 26,092,033
41. 1,974 Delaware / 917,060
42. 1,986 Alaska / 728,300
43. 2,025 Arizona / 6,561,516
44. 2,065 Arkansas / 2,947,036
45. 2,095 Florida / 19,361,792
46. 2,167 Louisiana / 4,601,049
47. 2,180 Nevada / 2,761,584
48. 2,194 Tennessee / 6,451,365
49. 2,241 New Mexico / 2,080,085
50. 2,253 South Carolina / 4,727,273

You're off in left field.

[Ef-man]

You're off in left field.

You are changing the topic.

[Ef-man]

But only black people commit the crimes obviously.

Which is only black people.

What's your point exactly? What does this have to do with racial disparity?

OK, we have moved on from topic of red states being dystopian, to you ignoring the thread topic and going into nuh uh, racial disparity.

My point is still, it does not take much to move percentages in low prison density states.

As to why some blacks get incarcerated and impact the percentages, in VT, black people over 14 times more likely to be defendants in a felony drug case than white people each year from 2014 to 2019 per a Council of State Governments report.

And back to my previous point on sentencing, the state needs to work on bringing more consistency in charging and plea-bargaining decisions in state’s attorneys’ offices.

Now your turn to explain away racial disparity in high prison density red states.

[DMC]

OK, we have moved on from topic of red states being dystopian, to you ignoring the thread topic and going into nuh uh, racial disparity.

My point is still, it does not take much to move percentages in low prison density states.

As to why some blacks get incarcerated and impact the percentages, in VT, black people over 14 times more likely to be defendants in a felony drug case than white people each year from 2014 to 2019 per a Council of State Governments report.

And back to my previous point on sentencing, the state needs to work on bringing more consistency in charging and plea-bargaining decisions in state’s attorneys’ offices.

Now your turn to explain away racial disparity in high prison density red states.
I showed you what dystopian was. I showed RG that the things he mentioned in the OP were worse in Dem states or they weren't related to red/blue. You're late to the party. This was settled, your side lost.

[HemisfairArena]

OK, we have moved on from topic of red states being dystopian, to you ignoring the thread topic and going into nuh uh, racial disparity.

My point is still, it does not take much to move percentages in low prison density states.

As to why some blacks get incarcerated and impact the percentages, in VT, black people over 14 times more likely to be defendants in a felony drug case than white people each year from 2014 to 2019 per a Council of State Governments report.

And back to my previous point on sentencing, the state needs to work on bringing more consistency in charging and plea-bargaining decisions in state’s attorneys’ offices.

Now your turn to explain away racial disparity in high prison density red states.

Sounds about right since a black person is probably 14 times more likely to be a drug dealer than a white person,,,

[Ef-man]

I showed you what dystopian was. I showed RG that the things he mentioned in the OP were worse in Dem states or they weren't related to red/blue. You're late to the party. This was settled, your side lost.

Crying victory after crying racial disparity in a thread on dystopian states does not settle anything.

That topic is just a distraction as you have nothing.

But go ahead, explain away the racial disparity of black prisoners in Florida (a high density prison state).

This is not going away and you have already used up the lame ass excuse “I do not have to explain anything.”

Chop, chop.

[DMC]

Crying victory after crying racial disparity in a thread on dystopian states does not settle anything.

That topic is just a distraction as you have nothing.

But go ahead, explain away the racial disparity of black prisoners in Florida (a high density prison state).

This is not going away and you have already used up the lame ass excuse “I do not have to explain anything.”

Chop, chop.

Left wing Poster A makes sloppy, broad brush comment, gets called out.
Left wing Poster A makes a sloppy retort in defense
Left wing Poster B shows up and makes a different defense, gets called out for the original claim
Left wing Poster B denies ever making the original claim, even though poster B is defending it
Left wing Poster C shows up, defends original claim, defends poster B
Left wing Poster C gets called out, denies caring about the original claim, denies supporting Poster B, still wants a back and forth about the original claim.
Left wing Poster D shows up, posts a strawman meme about the attack on the original claim
The responses pretty much cease because of the web of shit that's developed,
Left wing Poster E calls fold

rinse and repeat

Just in case anyone is wondering where we are in this process.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC triggered.

[Ef-man]

Left wing Poster A makes sloppy, broad brush comment, gets called out.
Left wing Poster A makes a sloppy retort in defense
Left wing Poster B shows up and makes a different defense, gets called out for the original claim
Left wing Poster B denies ever making the original claim, even though poster B is defending it
Left wing Poster C shows up, defends original claim, defends poster B
Left wing Poster C gets called out, denies caring about the original claim, denies supporting Poster B, still wants a back and forth about the original claim.
Left wing Poster D shows up, posts a strawman meme about the attack on the original claim
The responses pretty much cease because of the web of shit that's developed,
Left wing Poster E calls fold

rinse and repeat

Just in case anyone is wondering where we are in this process.

Fat-handed poster’s lame cries of victory are a sure sign he is unable to explain Florida’s racial disparity in prisons.

Chop, chop and stop deflecting.

[DMC]

Fat-handed poster’s lame cries of victory are a sure sign he is unable to explain Florida’s racial disparity in prisons.

Chop, chop and stop deflecting.

N.J. continues to have worst racial disparities nationwide in its prisons, report says

https://www.nj.com/news/2021/10/nj-continues-to-have-worst-racial-disparities-nationwide-in-its-prisons-report-says.html


Key findings

Black Americans are incarcerated in state prisons at nearly 5 times the rate of white Americans.
Nationally, one in 81 Black adults in the U.S. is serving time in state prison. Wisconsin leads the nation in Black imprisonment rates; one of every 36 Black Wisconsinites is in prison.
In 12 states, more than half the prison population is Black: Alabama, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia.
Seven states maintain a Black/white disparity larger than 9 to 1: California, Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, New Jersey, and Wisconsin.
Latinx individuals are incarcerated in state prisons at a rate that is 1.3 times the incarceration rate of whites. Ethnic disparities are highest in Massachusetts, which reports an ethnic differential of 4.1:1.


Looks like the moral left has some work to do on equality.

[Ef-man]

N.J. continues to have worst racial disparities nationwide in its prisons, report says

https://www.nj.com/news/2021/10/nj-continues-to-have-worst-racial-disparities-nationwide-in-its-prisons-report-says.html


Key findings

Black Americans are incarcerated in state prisons at nearly 5 times the rate of white Americans.
Nationally, one in 81 Black adults in the U.S. is serving time in state prison. Wisconsin leads the nation in Black imprisonment rates; one of every 36 Black Wisconsinites is in prison.
In 12 states, more than half the prison population is Black: Alabama, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, New Jersey, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Virginia.
Seven states maintain a Black/white disparity larger than 9 to 1: California, Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, New Jersey, and Wisconsin.
Latinx individuals are incarcerated in state prisons at a rate that is 1.3 times the incarceration rate of whites. Ethnic disparities are highest in Massachusetts, which reports an ethnic differential of 4.1:1.


Keep editing and blathering all you want but where is the proof defending Florida’s racial disparity?

Chop, chop.

[Thread]

Keep editing and blathering all you want but where is the proof defending Florida’s racial disparity?

Chop, chop.

...I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Ef-man]

...I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

So yadayadayadayada, take your meds.

[Thread]

So yadayadayadayada, take your meds.

Got your goat!

LMVICTORIOUSAO!!!

[Ef-man]

Got your goat!

LMVICTORIOUSAO!!!

????

You responded to my post, did it offend you or hurt your feelings? Maybe try staying in soccer forum instead.

Fat-hands is still lashing out with whataboutisms and will not defend Florida ‘s racial disparity issue.

Just shows that red states really are dystopian.

Oh, Katie-girl says, take your meds.

[HemisfairArena]

Keep editing and blathering all you want but where is the proof defending Florida’s racial disparity?

Chop, chop.

I would say the stats can be misleading as in repeat offenders and parole violators. I would be interested to see who has more parole violations,,,,blacks or whites. This is from prison policy.org



Florida failed to utilize one of the most obvious, and easiest, tools for reducing the prison population — stopping prison admissions for technical violations of probation and parole (which are not crimes).