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RandomGuy
02-09-2022, 10:22 AM
What was he trying to hide?

I am sure that the same people who were very concerned about a private email server are going to rise up and demand hearings on this. :rolleyes

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National Archives says Trump took 15 boxes of White House records to Florida

Former President Donald Trump had to return 15 boxes of documents that were improperly taken from the White House, the National Archives said Monday.

"In mid-January 2022, NARA (National Archives and Records Administration) arranged for the transport from the Trump Mar-a-Lago property in Florida to the National Archives of 15 boxes that contained Presidential records, following discussions with President Trump’s representatives in 2021," the National Archives said in a statement, confirming a report in The Washington Post.

https://news.yahoo.com/national-archives-says-trump-took-221305083.html

SnakeBoy
02-09-2022, 11:27 AM
muh beautiful letters :cry

Thread
02-09-2022, 11:49 AM
He's just trying to get under their skin, RG...

CNN headline this morning..."Former GOP head: Republican officials are buying into Trump's unquenchable thirst for revenge"
tee, hee.

DMC
02-09-2022, 11:50 AM
At least he didn't steal the furniture.

Ef-man
02-09-2022, 12:35 PM
At least he didn't steal the furniture.

https://twitter.com/duty2warn/status/1490810399456776194

https://twitter.com/MsRhonda15/status/1490904124887810048

https://twitter.com/BlueOnyx33/status/1490906976918061058

ChumpDumper
02-09-2022, 12:42 PM
At least he didn't steal the furniture.


https://twitter.com/duty2warn/status/1490810399456776194

https://twitter.com/MsRhonda15/status/1490904124887810048

https://twitter.com/BlueOnyx33/status/1490906976918061058

FATALITY

Winehole23
02-09-2022, 01:22 PM
https://i.gifer.com/7FZi.gif

SnakeBoy
02-09-2022, 08:25 PM
1490732135854096388

SnakeBoy
02-10-2022, 01:18 AM
She's fucking BOSS here. :tu

I like the pic of what you supporters think she looks like in sunglasses

It's good to remember her before President Trump tossed her in the trash heap

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/27/19/17752420-7399633-Looking_relaxed_Hillary_wore_sensible_navy_flats_t o_walk_around_-a-14_1566930878106.jpg

ChumpDumper
02-10-2022, 02:03 AM
SnakeBoy would rather have sex with Donald Trump.

HemisfairArena
02-10-2022, 02:50 AM
SnakeBoy would rather have sex with Donald Trump.

I wouldnt talk about sex lives, Chump Sucker,,,,as much as youre on here, you obviously dont have one.

RandomGuy
02-10-2022, 03:45 AM
At least he didn't steal the furniture.


https://twitter.com/duty2warn/status/1490810399456776194


:lmao

RandomGuy
02-10-2022, 03:46 AM
1490732135854096388

:lol 9/10 clever, and topical.

The fact it is a self-own... *chefs kiss*

Winehole23
02-10-2022, 10:10 AM
1491743252839641088

Thread
02-10-2022, 10:25 AM
1491743252839641088

"CNN, Bookseller."

tee, hee.

boutons_deux
02-10-2022, 10:54 AM
1491743252839641088

yes, but what was his problem with showerheads?

I bet Trash wears a shower cap to protect his FAKE hairdo costing many $10Ks / year

DarrinS
02-10-2022, 11:13 AM
1491743252839641088


Sounds legit


This the new "pee pee tapes"?

Adam Lambert
02-10-2022, 11:18 AM
Sounds legit

If it was, would you care?

You're not the target audience for this.

Trill Clinton
02-10-2022, 11:22 AM
Trump was eating and flushing documents?:lol

boutons_deux
02-10-2022, 11:27 AM
Trump was eating and flushing documents?:lol

... clogging the toilets.

Winehole23
02-10-2022, 11:45 AM
Sounds legit


This the new "pee pee tapes"?"demented liberals are criticizing Trump for regularly adding fiber to his diet"

RandomGuy
02-10-2022, 01:44 PM
1491743252839641088

:lol

RandomGuy
02-10-2022, 01:45 PM
Trump was eating and flushing documents?:lol

that is the story. Is anyone really surprised at this point?

RandomGuy
02-10-2022, 01:46 PM
Sounds legit


This the new "pee pee tapes"?

Worried less about this, and more about how much he was pushing for the military to seize voting machines and trying to set aside the results of a free and fair election.

You know, that fucking sedition thing you fucks keep trying to pretend didn't happen.

GTFO

Winehole23
02-10-2022, 05:19 PM
Any takes from "but her emails" crew about Trump taking classified gov't records to Mar-A-Lago?

Thought not.

RandomGuy
02-11-2022, 09:44 AM
Any takes from "but her emails" crew about Trump taking classified gov't records to Mar-A-Lago?

Thought not.

nope.

Thread
02-11-2022, 11:24 AM
nope.

Good. He's fuckin' with ya's, like ya's fucked with him.

He knows that you know that he knows that he'll be President forever, just like the 44 before him across 4 centuries.

You're never going to eradicate that from the annals, RG. He got your fuckin' asses when you let your guard down in the safe & sure belief that Clinton was (45). He walked in off the street and sacked you bastards when you was skinnin' & a grinnin'. Even CNN let their defense lapse..."Let's not steamroll him and give him the ammo to denounce us once she sacks him come November. We'll treat him more or less fair and then after she sacks him we'll come down on that fat fuck like a ton-a-brick. Savvy?"

He made President and blasted hair all over them walls!!!

Winehole23
02-11-2022, 12:52 PM
David Petraeus got a felony conviction for taking his own Iraq and Afghanistan notebooks home.

Donald Trump took top secret shit, and ain't shit going to happen to him for it.

Winehole23
02-11-2022, 03:38 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLVNasIWUAccE1x?format=jpg&name=360x360

DMC
02-11-2022, 05:49 PM
David Petraeus got a felony conviction for taking his own Iraq and Afghanistan notebooks home.

Donald Trump took top secret shit, and ain't shit going to happen to him for it.

Seems like status quo for wealthy white non-military types to destroy communications before they can be indicted for them.

koriwhat
02-11-2022, 06:19 PM
The real conspiratards are def the left... Just search through the archives for all their weird conspiracies that always come up empty and here's another they're peddling. :lmao

boutons_deux
02-12-2022, 07:55 PM
Trash stored the 15 boxes of documents in his personal suite

Thread
02-12-2022, 08:15 PM
Trash stored the 15 boxes of documents in his personal suite

The old man; bless-his-heart.:lol

MultiTroll
02-12-2022, 08:58 PM
Is it possible he was just using the boxes to store more food?

Winehole23
08-28-2022, 02:02 AM
David Petraeus got a felony conviction for taking his own Iraq and Afghanistan notebooks home.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLVNasIWUAccE1x?format=jpg&name=360x360Reality Winner got five years for mishandling one document. Petraus did no time, but had to plead guilty.

Trump turned over 184 classified documents he stole before the August 8th search.

Ghazi
08-28-2022, 02:11 AM
TRUMP IS DEAF DUMB AND BLIND, HE SHALL NOT SEE

THE TRUTH IT IS AND THE TRUTH I SPEAK: I SHALL FILL HELL WITH THE MEN AND JINN ALTOGETHER

Blake
08-28-2022, 11:02 AM
At least he didn't steal the furniture.


https://twitter.com/duty2warn/status/1490810399456776194

https://twitter.com/MsRhonda15/status/1490904124887810048

https://twitter.com/BlueOnyx33/status/1490906976918061058

:lol

CosmicCowboy
08-28-2022, 05:31 PM
Any takes from "but her emails" crew about Trump taking classified gov't records to Mar-A-Lago?

Thought not.

I think both were illegal and should be prosecuted.

Blake
08-28-2022, 05:36 PM
I think both were illegal and should be prosecuted.

What evidence did you find in the emails, AG?

CosmicCowboy
08-28-2022, 06:00 PM
What evidence did you find in the emails, AG?

You mean the top secret emails she kept on a private server? Thats the same as keeping them in your closet. Did you mean the email server she had professionally "wiped" when she knew the computer was about to be subpoenaed by congress?

I'm not going to argue that one again.

They were both wrong.

Blake
08-28-2022, 08:42 PM
You mean the top secret emails she kept on a private server? Thats the same as keeping them in your closet. Did you mean the email server she had professionally "wiped" when she knew the computer was about to be subpoenaed by congress?

I'm not going to argue that one again.

They were both wrong.

No problem. I'll just chalk it up as another ignorant "both sides" retard comment and move on. :tu

ChumpDumper
08-28-2022, 09:12 PM
You mean the top secret emails she kept on a private server? Thats the same as keeping them in your closet. Did you mean the email server she had professionally "wiped" when she knew the computer was about to be subpoenaed by congress?

I'm not going to argue that one again.

They were both wrong.You just argued that one again.

One was wrong; one actually broke the law.

CosmicCowboy
08-28-2022, 09:45 PM
No problem. I'll just chalk it up as another ignorant "both sides" retard comment and move on. :tu

You brought it up, cuck. Unlike you I can see fault on red and blue, but keep your blue blinders on.

CosmicCowboy
08-28-2022, 09:49 PM
You just argued that one again.

One was wrong; one actually broke the law.

They both broke the law. Read the report.

Blake
08-28-2022, 10:18 PM
You brought it up, cuck. Unlike you I can see fault on red and blue, but keep your blue blinders on.

You brought up your opinion, dumb fuck.

Keep doubling down on the retard "both sides" non argument you keep non arguing about. It'll work out well for you. :tu

Winehole23
08-28-2022, 11:14 PM
I think both were illegal and should be prosecuted.in your mind is there a difference between stealing NDI you have no right to possess and being careless with NDI the government has cleared you for?

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 04:43 AM
in your mind is there a difference between stealing NDI you have no right to possess and being careless with NDI the government has cleared you for?

Both are illegal. If you want to argue scale of illegality then Trumps was probably worse. Hillary's was more equivalent to what Petraeus did.

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 04:45 AM
You brought up your opinion, dumb fuck.

Keep doubling down on the retard "both sides" non argument you keep non arguing about. It'll work out well for you. :tu

No, Whinehole brought the "both sides" up. I simply responded to his post and pointed out both broke the law. Your aggressive stupidity shows up again.

JamStone
08-29-2022, 07:40 AM
There are degrees of severity. Not simply right or wrong.

In the two distinct cases, intent plays a major role in differentiating. The emails on a private server vulnerable to hacking is carelessly, recklessly stupid. Taking, keeping, hiding and lying about federal, classified documents is knowingly, willingly, intentionally malicious. And criminal.

Even if both sides, unbiasedly, agree that both things are wrong, you have to understand how one is worse than the other, more egregious than the other, more appropriately punishable than the other. There no “probably worse” about it. The intent and the subsequent lying about shit and trying to cover it up is what puts Trump in such legal jeopardy. If back in January, he and his team gave EVERYTHING back, there’s likely none of this, no subpoena, no search, no further investigation, no legal aftermath.

The intent is the major difference here. It’s the difference between manslaughter and premeditated, first degree murder. And that’s not in defense of Hillary. She can go down too. I don’t give a shit. It’s just identifying the distinctions and why one is worse than the other.

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 08:20 AM
There are degrees of severity. Not simply right or wrong.

In the two distinct cases, intent plays a major role in differentiating. The emails on a private server vulnerable to hacking is carelessly, recklessly stupid. Taking, keeping, hiding and lying about federal, classified documents is knowingly, willingly, intentionally malicious. And criminal.

The intent is the major difference here. It’s the difference between manslaughter and premeditated, first degree murder. And that’s not in defense of Hillary. She can go down too. I don’t give a shit. It’s just identifying the distinctions and why one is worse than the other.

I already said I thought Trumps was more egregious. But ask yourself, does knowing a congressional subpoena is coming for the email server and then hiring professionals to destroy the data on the server qualify as hiding the information?

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 08:24 AM
Both are illegal. If you want to argue scale of illegality then Trumps was probably worse. Hillary's was more equivalent to what Petraeus did.the DOJ didn't think so after investigating, intent was lacking for prosecution.

HRC screwed up badly and paid the price politically, but investigators didn't think they could prove the elements of the crime.

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 08:32 AM
the DOJ didn't think so after investigating, intent was lacking for prosecution.

Intent may have been lacking or not proven, but clipping out the exact statement from the report " there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information". And Comey (FBI) made the call, not the DOJ.

Spurs Homer
08-29-2022, 08:37 AM
I already said I thought Trumps was more egregious. But ask yourself, does knowing a congressional subpoena is coming for the email server and then hiring professionals to destroy the data on the server qualify as hiding the information?

you swallowed the lie

the fbi arrived and seized hrc’s computers and they were forensically copied

anything after that - such as bleach bit/hammers/ etc

were propaganda fed to you and you swallowed it all

she never destroyed any evidence because the fbi had already obtained everything they needed and she cooperated with all of it
including sitting and getting grilled by partisan hacks like gowdy for 13 hours

and she answered all their garbage nonsense questions while trump, his criminal spawn, his criminal associates, his pardoned criminal traitors

all plead the fifth

but hey

both sides is bad blah blah

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 08:37 AM
Intent may have been lacking or not proven, but clipping out the exact statement from the report " there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information". And Comey (FBI) made the call, not the DOJ.Comey couldn't prosecute, he could only make a referral. DOJ decides in any case, and they're not bound by investigating agencies.

You think Condi Rice and Colin Powell should have been prosecuted too?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rice-aides-powell-also-got-classified-info-personal-emails-n511181

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 08:42 AM
BTW, if Comey -- a lifelong Republican -- was in the bag for HRC like you're suggesting, why did he announce a criminal probe of her ~ two weeks before the election?

JamStone
08-29-2022, 08:43 AM
I already said I thought Trumps was more egregious. But ask yourself, does knowing a congressional subpoena is coming for the email server and then hiring professionals to destroy the data on the server qualify as hiding the information?

I didn’t read the entire thread, so admittedly I didn’t read where you said “more egregious.” I did read where you posited that Trump was “probably worse,” as if it were questionable.

The FBI investigation on the emails as far as I recall didn’t find that Clinton attempted to destroy evidence. She deleted some of her emails, like everyone does. But was the wiping of the server ever been confirmed? I’ll say this, if they had found that she had the server wiped to try to destroy evidence, I would have had zero problems with them going after her and indicting her. With Trump, everything we know about his case, from the Archives requesting the documents, his attorneys signing and lying that they returned everything, issuing a subpoena, and then conducting the search and finding the classified shit he refused to return and finding some of them in his bedroom and office closet instead of the locked room in the basement, it’s pretty undeniable there was criminal intent on his part.

One might have been criminal, but it’s at least questionable. The other is a fucking idiot who basically did everything to let everyone know he was proactively breaking the law.

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 09:24 AM
you swallowed the lie

the fbi arrived and seized hrc’s computers and they were forensically copied

anything after that - such as bleach bit/hammers/ etc

were propaganda fed to you and you swallowed it all

she never destroyed any evidence because the fbi had already obtained everything they needed and she cooperated with all of it
including sitting and getting grilled by partisan hacks like gowdy for 13 hours

and she answered all their garbage nonsense questions while trump, his criminal spawn, his criminal associates, his pardoned criminal traitors

all plead the fifth

but hey

both sides is bad blah blah

As usual, you are uninformed and are full of shit.

From Comey's report:


I have so far used the singular term, “e-mail server,” in describing the referral that began our investigation. It turns out to have been more complicated than that. Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, and used numerous mobile devices to view and send e-mail on that personal domain. As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored, and decommissioned in various ways. Piecing all of that back together—to gain as full an understanding as possible of the ways in which personal e-mail was used for government work—has been a painstaking undertaking, requiring thousands of hours of effort.

For example, when one of Secretary Clinton’s original personal servers was decommissioned in 2013, the e-mail software was removed. Doing that didn’t remove the e-mail content, but it was like removing the frame from a huge finished jigsaw puzzle and dumping the pieces on the floor. The effect was that millions of e-mail fragments end up unsorted in the server’s unused—or “slack”—space. We searched through all of it to see what was there, and what parts of the puzzle could be put back together.

Blake
08-29-2022, 01:04 PM
As usual, you are uninformed and are full of shit.

From Comey's report:

"As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case"


Why do you want to press charges if the FBI, who conducted the extensive investigation, didn't want to

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 01:11 PM
"As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case"


Why do you want to press charges if the FBI, who conducted the extensive investigation, didn't want to

Why do you want to argue about everything? Feelings hurt much? I said she broke the law and she clearly did as per Comey's report. I have no insight into Comey's reasons on the subject.

DMC
08-29-2022, 01:15 PM
"As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case"


Why do you want to press charges if the FBI, who conducted the extensive investigation, didn't want to

Maybe for the same reason your team wants to continue the Trump Russia collusion conspiracy after the investigation turned up no incriminating evidence, "muh team" - or consider Kyle Rittenhouse to be a murderer after being found not guilty by a court of law and a jury of his peers. You only consider the legal decisions to be a standard when the outcome is favorable.

Blake
08-29-2022, 02:02 PM
Why do you want to argue about everything? Feelings hurt much? I said she broke the law and she clearly did as per Comey's report. I have no insight into Comey's reasons on the subject.

I'm not arguing. I'm asking you why you think she should be prosecuted if the DOJ and FBI refused.

Also what should the penalty be for her?

Blake
08-29-2022, 02:03 PM
Maybe for the same reason your team wants to continue the Trump Russia collusion conspiracy after the investigation turned up no incriminating evidence, "muh team" - or consider Kyle Rittenhouse to be a murderer after being found not guilty by a court of law and a jury of his peers. You only consider the legal decisions to be a standard when the outcome is favorable.

Lol derp's narrative

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 02:22 PM
I'm not arguing. I'm asking you why you think she should be prosecuted if the DOJ and FBI refused.

Also what should the penalty be for her?

Similar to Petraeus since they were very similar. one plea count, probation and a fine.

Blake
08-29-2022, 03:47 PM
Similar to Petraeus since they were very similar. one plea count, probation and a fine.

I'd be fine with that if the DOJ went with that. what do you want for Trump?

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 04:06 PM
I'd be fine with that if the DOJ went with that. what do you want for Trump?

I'm ok if they put his ass in prison. I can't stand the asshole.

Blake
08-29-2022, 04:20 PM
I'm ok if they put his ass in prison. I can't stand the asshole.

Sounds about right to me

Spurminator
08-29-2022, 04:24 PM
I'm ok if they put his ass in prison. I can't stand the asshole.

Bend over, I'll give you a prison asshole

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 04:27 PM
Id be fine with Trumps new cell mate.

https://pics.me.me/thumb_rosesareredvioletsare-blue-were-having-sex-because-im-strongefr-than-you-53979508.png

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 05:19 PM
lol CC moaning about the quality of discussion here then ignoring topical replies in favor of the slapfight.

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 05:21 PM
BTW, if Comey -- a lifelong Republican -- was in the bag for HRC like you're suggesting, why did he announce a criminal probe of her ~ two weeks before the election?the standard answer seems to be that Comey was getting out in front of rogue NY agents who were going to leak it anyway. who knows?

I thought they were supposed to neither confirm nor deny.

(shrugs)

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 05:27 PM
lol CC moaning about the quality of discussion here then ignoring topical replies in favor of the slapfight.

What the fuck does that word salad mean whinehole?

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 05:29 PM
What the fuck does that word salad mean whinehole?it means you while about the quality of the convo, then go shithousing all day long.

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 05:30 PM
BTW, if Comey -- a lifelong Republican -- was in the bag for HRC like you're suggesting, why did he announce a criminal probe of her ~ two weeks before the election?

Are you whining because I didn't respond to this post? He opened the case again because they found Hillary classified emails on Carlos Dangers laptop.

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 05:32 PM
Are you whining because I didn't respond to this post? He opened the case again because they found Hillary classified emails on Carlos Dangers laptop.do tell, I hadn't heard that.

would you like to relitigate HRC's historic loss to DJT?

Go for it, dude.

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 05:33 PM
it means you while about the quality of the convo, then go shithousing all day long.

You really are butthurt, aren't you? I wasn't the one picking on you for your English degree and your waiter career.

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 05:38 PM
do tell, I hadn't heard that.

would you like to relitigate HRC's historic loss to DJT?

Go for it, dude.

No desire. The only thing Hillary is running for now is to see who can gain the most weight...her or Stacey Abrams.

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 05:41 PM
You really are butthurt, aren't you? I wasn't the one picking on you for your English degree and your waiter career.

I don't feel picked on, I like my job. My education is what it is, I wasn't ambitious, but I read for pleasure and information, as many do.

Btw, do you know the name of the figure of speech where you flame the other poster by mentioning that you didn't mention an intended insult you do mention, then attribute to others?

there's a fancy Greek word for it...

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 05:43 PM
but where I come from they call that chickenshit

:lol

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 05:44 PM
but where I come from they call that chickenshit

:lol

Then don't screw with me and I won't respond.

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 05:46 PM
Then don't screw with me and I won't respond.I don't mind at all if you do, you speaking isn't contrary to my preferences. I was laughing at you.

CosmicCowboy
08-29-2022, 05:47 PM
I don't mind at all if you do, you speaking isn't contrary to my preferences. I was laughing at you.

You should like me...Im a really good tipper.

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 05:54 PM
You should like me...Im a really good tipper.I believe you, man

Winehole23
08-29-2022, 06:00 PM
You seem like someone who likes to have a good time

daboom1
08-29-2022, 06:02 PM
You should like me...Im a really good tipper.

:lol

DMC
08-29-2022, 10:31 PM
lol CC moaning about the quality of discussion here then ignoring topical replies in favor of the slapfight.

:cry no one talks to me

DMC
08-29-2022, 10:32 PM
You should like me...Im a really good tipper.

Watch out, he'll hit you with his English degree that only helps him wax more eloquently to himself all night here in his "hey me, look what I found" threads.

Winehole23
08-30-2022, 06:29 AM
:cry no one talks to menot sure what you mean, me and CC talked to each other plenty in this thread, maybe you didn't read through.

Th'Pusher
08-30-2022, 08:15 AM
Was this


As usual, you are uninformed and are full of shit.

From Comey's report:
I have so far used the singular term, “e-mail server,” in describing the referral that began our investigation. It turns out to have been more complicated than that. Secretary Clinton used several different servers and administrators of those servers during her four years at the State Department, and used numerous mobile devices to view and send e-mail on that personal domain. As new servers and equipment were employed, older servers were taken out of service, stored, and decommissioned in various ways. Piecing all of that back together—to gain as full an understanding as possible of the ways in which personal e-mail was used for government work—has been a painstaking undertaking, requiring thousands of hours of effort.

For example, when one of Secretary Clinton’s original personal servers was decommissioned in 2013, the e-mail software was removed. Doing that didn’t remove the e-mail content, but it was like removing the frame from a huge finished jigsaw puzzle and dumping the pieces on the floor. The effect was that millions of e-mail fragments end up unsorted in the server’s unused—or “slack”—space. We searched through all of it to see what was there, and what parts of the puzzle could be put back together.


Intended to backup this claim?


…But ask yourself, does knowing a congressional subpoena is coming for the email server and then hiring professionals to destroy the data on the server qualify as hiding the information?

If so, that indicates a complete lack of understanding of basic tech infrastructure and maintenance.

If not, can you back up the claim that she hired professionals to destroy data? Because that little snippet doesn’t.

TSA
08-30-2022, 11:06 AM
Was this



Intended to backup this claim?



If so, that indicates a complete lack of understanding of basic tech infrastructure and maintenance.

If not, can you back up the claim that she hired professionals to destroy data? Because that little snippet doesn’t.

Paul Combetta of Platte River Networks deleted Clinton's emails using BleachBit three weeks after the congressional subpoena. Right around same time NYT ran the story on Clinton's private server use.

boutons_deux
08-30-2022, 11:10 AM
Paul Combetta of Platte River Networks deleted Clinton's emails using BleachBit three weeks after the congressional subpoena. Right around same time NYT ran the story on Clinton's private server use.

Evidence?

Repugs use private email but ignore it
Shrub's WH deleted Ms of emails but you ignore it

Th'Pusher
08-30-2022, 12:46 PM
Paul Combetta of Platte River Networks deleted Clinton's emails using BleachBit three weeks after the congressional subpoena. Right around same time NYT ran the story on Clinton's private server use.

Do you have anything other than Trey Gowdy’s assertion that he saw that in the FBI’s notes on the HRC investigation to back that up?

TSA
08-30-2022, 01:14 PM
Do you have anything other than Trey Gowdy’s assertion that he saw that in the FBI’s notes on the HRC investigation to back that up?

https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton/Hillary%20R.%20Clinton%20Part%2031/view

ChumpDumper
08-30-2022, 01:19 PM
Maybe narrow it down from 422 pages to a paragraph or two.

SpursforSix
08-30-2022, 01:49 PM
You should like me...Im a really good tipper.

Yeah...I bet you have 15% of anything memorized.

Blake
08-30-2022, 02:01 PM
https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton/Hillary%20R.%20Clinton%20Part%2031/view


Maybe narrow it down from 422 pages to a paragraph or two.

:lol the tsa "I posted proof" special

CosmicCowboy
08-30-2022, 02:39 PM
Since you asked:

On March 4, 2015, the Benghazi Committee issued a subpoena requiring Clinton to turn over her emails relating to Libya.

The email files were deleted on March 25th and March 31st using bleachbit.

You can quibble about details on intent and why they were deleted but those are the dates.

Winehole23
08-30-2022, 03:32 PM
Since you asked:

On March 4, 2015, the Benghazi Committee issued a subpoena requiring Clinton to turn over her emails relating to Libya.

The email files were deleted on March 25th and March 31st using bleachbit.

You can quibble about details on intent and why they were deleted but those are the dates.the two cases are not that comparable, tbh

CosmicCowboy
08-30-2022, 03:46 PM
the two cases are not that comparable, tbh

Who said they were?

I was responding to Boutons and pushers denial that the Bleachbit email destruction came after the subpoena.

7pCntfWS3xk

Winehole23
08-30-2022, 04:56 PM
Who said they were?

I was responding to Boutons and pushers denial that the Bleachbit email destruction came after the subpoena.

7pCntfWS3xkyour initial reply itt was to me. you tried to both sides it and then backpedalled, nothing wrong with that.

:bobo




Reality Winner got five years for mishandling one document. Petraus did no time, but had to plead guilty.

Trump turned over 184 classified documents he stole before the August 8th search.


I think both were illegal and should be prosecuted.

CosmicCowboy
08-30-2022, 05:45 PM
your initial reply itt was to me. you tried to both sides it and then backpedalled, nothing wrong with that.

:bobo

I also said although she broke the law she didn't do it to the same degree Trump did, but you conveniently left that out.

Winehole23
08-30-2022, 05:53 PM
I also said although she broke the law she didn't do it to the same degree Trump did, but you conveniently left that out.Not at all, that's the backpedalling I mentioned. When pressed, you changed your tune.

Again, nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with shoring up a weak take, it's to your credit you weren't wedded to it.

CosmicCowboy
08-30-2022, 06:18 PM
Not at all, that's the backpedalling I mentioned. When pressed, you changed your tune.

Again, nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with shoring up a weak take, it's to your credit you weren't wedded to it.
Are you drinking again? I said they both should be prosecuted. I never said both should go to jail. I specifically said she should have gotten a Petraeus style probation and fine while Trumps was more egregious and I would have no problem with him going to jail.

Th'Pusher
08-30-2022, 06:57 PM
Who said they were?

I was responding to Boutons and pushers denial that the Bleachbit email destruction came after the subpoena.



I was not denying the destruction of emails came after the subpoena. I was 'quibbling about details on intent' as you put it, because that's what matters. She had admitted she deleted personal emails, using a service like Bleachbit to delete emails irrelevant to the investigation and immaterial to the intent.

ChumpDumper
08-30-2022, 08:35 PM
Since you asked:

On March 4, 2015, the Benghazi Committee issued a subpoena requiring Clinton to turn over her emails relating to Libya.

The email files were deleted on March 25th and March 31st using bleachbit.

You can quibble about details on intent and why they were deleted but those are the dates.

She had already sent the 30,000 work related emails to the State Department in December 2014.

Winehole23
08-30-2022, 09:33 PM
Are you drinking again? I said they both should be prosecuted. I never said both should go to jail. I specifically said she should have gotten a Petraeus style probation and fine while Trumps was more egregious and I would have no problem with him going to jail.under pressure, nuance emerged.

bravo

ChumpDumper
08-30-2022, 09:40 PM
Patraeus' offenses were also worse than Clinton's. He actively stole and shared classified documents with a person who had no clearance whatsoever.

Winehole23
08-30-2022, 09:40 PM
Are you drinking again?who said I stopped?

Ef-man
08-30-2022, 11:29 PM
https://twitter.com/MaxAMaxim/status/1564820671028465664

Winehole23
08-30-2022, 11:34 PM
dang

be careful what you wish for

Ef-man
08-30-2022, 11:42 PM
https://i.gifer.com/7FZi.gif

ChumpDumper
08-30-2022, 11:52 PM
:lol unreal

Can't wait to see the spin attempts now.

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 12:17 AM
:lol unreal

Can't wait to see the spin attempts now."planted by the FBI even though it was already declassified by me and hey, give it back, that's mine!"

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 12:26 AM
:lol unreal

Can't wait to see the spin attempts now.we already lmew there was top secret/SCI stuff there, we just got the first snapshot. the contents probably can't be publicized outside of the judge's chambers.

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 12:27 AM
I'm betting someone will say there's mischief with the cover page.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 12:52 AM
we already lmew there was top secret/SCI stuff there, we just got the first snapshot. the contents probably can't be publicized outside of the judge's chambers.


I'm betting someone will say there's mischief with the cover page.

They'll have to think of something quick. This is really bad.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 01:00 AM
Especially bad for this one:

1564834121410568192

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 01:34 AM
They'll have to think of something quick. This is really bad.no mystery there, the firehose of lies was never retired, it's still at the ready.

Ef-man
08-31-2022, 01:47 AM
I'm betting someone will say there's mischief with the cover page.

Yam Tits will claim that his black Sharpie was dry and that he could not write "Declassified by me, Yam Tits" on the cover sheet.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 05:13 AM
I was not denying the destruction of emails came after the subpoena. I was 'quibbling about details on intent' as you put it, because that's what matters. She had admitted she deleted personal emails, using a service like Bleachbit to delete emails irrelevant to the investigation and immaterial to the intent.

It simply comes down to whether you believe Hillary was or wasn't trying to hide anything. You blindly accept her word "they were all personal" and I have my doubts. The simplest way to have resolved it would have been to have given the FBI access to the computer before the bleachbit attack.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 05:16 AM
Patraeus' offenses were also worse than Clinton's. He actively stole and shared classified documents with a person who had no clearance whatsoever.

Some of Clinton's classified emails were found on Carlos Dangers laptop, so she shared classified data too. Again the quibble comes down to intent.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 05:18 AM
It simply comes down to whether you believe Hillary was or wasn't trying to hide anything. You blindly accept her word "they were all personal" and I have my doubts. The simplest way to have resolved it would have been to have given the FBI access to the computer before the bleachbit attack.

She even admitted after the fact that is what she should have done.

Th'Pusher
08-31-2022, 08:11 AM
It simply comes down to whether you believe Hillary was or wasn't trying to hide anything. You blindly accept her word "they were all personal" and I have my doubts. The simplest way to have resolved it would have been to have given the FBI access to the computer before the bleachbit attack.

:lol attack. You’re so dramatic. Bleachbit is a service used to clear disk space among other things. You, just like trump, are trying to make this sound nefarious when it may not be. The FBI did the investigation, called out her complete irresponsible consideration of classified information and recommend no penalty. She’s irrelevant now. It’s funny how you conservatives can manage kindle outrage for this stuff.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 08:17 AM
Patraeus' offenses were also worse than Clinton's. He actively stole and shared classified documents with a person who had no clearance whatsoever.

If you are talking about Paula Broadwell she had security clearance until it was revoked after the fact when she sent jealous threatening emails to Jill Kelly.

JamStone
08-31-2022, 08:24 AM
Maybe Trump should just come out and say it. He can’t read. He doesn’t know how to read.

That would help explain a lot actually, from his staff using pictures for his briefings to ripping and tearing up documents Billy Madison style in frustration to how giddy and proud he was over his acute memory mastery of, “person, woman, man, camera, TV.” It certainly gives more believable reasoning for some of his mishandling of top secret/sci documents than a lot of his other defense arguments. I mean, how can you know something is top secret/sci if you don’t know what that spells?

Isn’t ignorance of fact a legitimate defense in some situations?

There it is. That’s how he gets out of these legal troubles. He just ain’t smarter than a first grader.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 09:26 AM
:lol attack. You’re so dramatic. Bleachbit is a service used to clear disk space among other things. You, just like trump, are trying to make this sound nefarious when it may not be. The FBI did the investigation, called out her complete irresponsible consideration of classified information and recommend no penalty. She’s irrelevant now. It’s funny how you conservatives can manage kindle outrage for this stuff.

"may not" :lol

at least you conceded that.

Bottom line is she delivered the emails she wanted to deliver and destroyed the rest. I accept your blind trust in Clinton that there was nothing nefarious about it.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 09:31 AM
Some of Clinton's classified emails were found on Carlos Dangers laptop, so she shared classified data too. Again the quibble comes down to intent.She sent emails to her adviser Huma?

OK.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 09:33 AM
She sent emails to her adviser Huma?

OK.

:lol

stubborn apologist. It wasn't Huma's laptop.

Chump simply can't admit Saint Hillary could have done anything wrong.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 09:37 AM
She sent emails to her adviser Huma?

OK.

Carlos Danger says Hi!

https://chumley.barstoolsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/15/Screen-Shot-2019-08-15-at-1.00.15-PM.png

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 09:40 AM
:lol

stubborn apologist. It wasn't Huma's laptop.She used it frequently. If you have evidence Clinton emailed classified documents directly to Weiner's email address, I'd love to see it.

I'm not saying Clinton is completely blameless. You already agreed with me about the differences in the cases so anything more is just your knee jerk Trumptardedness that will never go away. You can't help yourself.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 09:43 AM
She used it frequently. If you have evidence Clinton emailed classified documents directly to Weiner's email address, I'd love to see it.

:lol

Sucking ass to Saint Hillary. Doesn't matter who emailed who. Carlos Danger had access to classified info that came from Hillary and for all we know could have sent it to someone along with his dick pics. Keep flailing, though.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 09:44 AM
:lol

Sucking ass to Saint Hillary. Doesn't matter who emailed who. :lmao Of course it does. Trump broke you.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 09:51 AM
:lmao Of course it does. Trump broke you.

Typical Chumpster bullshit. You know my position on Trump. Why do you lie? Just to be a prick?

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 09:53 AM
Typical Chumpster bullshit. You know my position on Trump. Why do you lie? Just to be a prick?

Did you vote for Trump in 2016?

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 09:55 AM
Did you vote for Trump in 2016?

Neither 2016 or 2020. I have always felt he was a horrible choice.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 10:00 AM
Neither 2016 or 2020. I have always felt he was a horrible choice.So boilerplate Clinton derangement syndrome. No reason to relitigate this (again). Next up: Uranium One.

Th'Pusher
08-31-2022, 10:00 AM
"may not" :lol

at least you conceded that.

Bottom line is she delivered the emails she wanted to deliver and destroyed the rest. I accept your blind trust in Clinton that there was nothing nefarious about it.

It’s not a blind trust in Clinton. The FBI did an investigation and provided the DOJ a recommendation.

hater
08-31-2022, 10:03 AM
:lol

Sucking ass to Saint Hillary. Doesn't matter who emailed who. Carlos Danger had access to classified info that came from Hillary and for all we know could have sent it to someone along with his dick pics. Keep flailing, though.

Chimp loves his pedophile and pedophile enabler wives :lmao

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 10:03 AM
It’s not a blind trust in Clinton. The FBI did an investigation and provided the DOJ a recommendation.

:lmao

Blake
08-31-2022, 10:11 AM
"may not" :lol

at least you conceded that.

Bottom line is she delivered the emails she wanted to deliver and destroyed the rest. I accept your blind trust in Clinton that there was nothing nefarious about it.

Libs are guilty until proven innocent huh

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 10:11 AM
Chimp loves his pedophile and pedophile enabler wives :lmaoThey can all go to jail if they actually did anything that warrants it. Weiner did. Your made up fantasies don't count as evidence.:tu


:lmao
:lol I guess there is a conspiracy theory attached to this.

Spurs Homer
08-31-2022, 10:11 AM
“But but- HER EMAILS!!!”


neverending whataboutism brigade….

DMC
08-31-2022, 10:26 AM
Maybe Trump should just come out and say it. He can’t read. He doesn’t know how to read.

That would help explain a lot actually, from his staff using pictures for his briefings to ripping and tearing up documents Billy Madison style in frustration to how giddy and proud he was over his acute memory mastery of, “person, woman, man, camera, TV.” It certainly gives more believable reasoning for some of his mishandling of top secret/sci documents than a lot of his other defense arguments. I mean, how can you know something is top secret/sci if you don’t know what that spells?

Isn’t ignorance of fact a legitimate defense in some situations?

There it is. That’s how he gets out of these legal troubles. He just ain’t smarter than a first grader.

He's spent most of his life not needing to read, that's what his lawyers are for and they give him the QnD. Rudy isn't fit to advise anyone, but old school NY good ol' boys club mafioso can't let go of the pact.

DMC
08-31-2022, 10:27 AM
Libs are guilty until proven innocent huh

It's the norm here, you're no daisy.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 10:28 AM
:lol his current ONN counsel lied to the FBI.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 10:28 AM
Libs are guilty until proven innocent huh

kind of like republicans huh?

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 10:29 AM
kind of like republicans huh?I do believe Trump is guilty, yes.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 10:33 AM
I do believe Trump is guilty, yes.

I do too. I also find your blind kneejerk defense of Hillary hilarious, even after the FBI confirmed she broke the law. You simply can't be objective and admit both sides can be wrong.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 10:40 AM
I do too. I also find your blind kneejerk defense of Hillary hilarious, even after the FBI confirmed she broke the law. You simply can't be objective and admit both sides can be wrong.I already admitted she was wrong.

In this thread.

In a direct statement to you.

Why do you have to lie?

You simply can't be objective and have to lie.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 10:50 AM
Ultimately both Clinton and Trump were ill-served by their underlings. With Hillary, they enabled her demand for convenience and her old lady tech ignorance. With Trump, they enabled his black letter federal crimes.

Seems like a big difference to me, but sure.

Both sides.

Blake
08-31-2022, 10:52 AM
kind of like republicans huh?

Other than Trump? I can't think of any I want to prosecute the way you guys want with Hillary and Hunter.

I mean, here's a thread with Trump having files all over the place and you still are with Hillary's emails because maybe she deleted some that maybe possibly could have had something in them that the entire FBI through extensive searching could not recover. But you still believe there's...... Something! Because lib.

Blake
08-31-2022, 10:56 AM
I do too. I also find your blind kneejerk defense of Hillary hilarious, even after the FBI confirmed she broke the law. You simply can't be objective and admit both sides can be wrong.

Lol both sides again. You can't help yourself.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 10:59 AM
Lol both sides again. You can't help yourself.

That is the discussion, Cuck. Try to keep up.

Blake
08-31-2022, 10:59 AM
Ultimately both Clinton and Trump were ill-served by their underlings. With Hillary, they enabled her demand for convenience and her old lady tech ignorance. With Trump, they enabled his black letter federal crimes.

Seems like a big difference to me, but sure.

Both sides.

One old man foot on the gas flying down the road at 110mph. One old lady doing 82 in a 75 because she couldn't figure out how to set the cruise control properly.

BOTH SIDES WERE SPEEDING

Blake
08-31-2022, 11:01 AM
That is the discussion, Cuck. Try to keep up.

Yeah I got that you wanted to talk about Hillary in detail here instead of Trump from post one. Because BoTh SidEs scREecH

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 11:03 AM
mission accomplished

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 11:03 AM
Yeah I got that you wanted to talk about Hillary in detail here instead of Trump from post one. Because BoTh SidEs scREecH

The subject was brought up for discussion by Winehole, Cuck. You really suck at this.


Any takes from "but her emails" crew about Trump taking classified gov't records to Mar-A-Lago?

Thought not.

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 11:05 AM
and five pages later, here we are, still talking about HRC

Blake
08-31-2022, 11:06 AM
The subject was brought up for discussion by Winehole, Cuck. You really suck at this.

Yeah he asked you "about Trump taking classified records"

You really suck at reading

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 11:08 AM
"Hillary did it too!"

:madrun

Blake
08-31-2022, 11:12 AM
You mean the top secret emails she kept on a private server? Thats the same as keeping them in your closet. Did you mean the email server she had professionally "wiped" when she knew the computer was about to be subpoenaed by congress?

I'm not going to argue that one again.

They were both wrong.

:lol

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 11:13 AM
:lol

Yeah, I got suckered into arguing with fools again.

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 11:18 AM
https://c.tenor.com/-hWzipLACKcAAAAC/gollum-sneaky-little-hobbitses.gif

Blake
08-31-2022, 11:19 AM
Yeah, I got suckered into arguing with fools again.

You just can't help but talk about Hillary in a Trump thread huh

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 11:33 AM
So a question:

If the DOJ chooses not to prosecute Trump, does that mean he is innocent?

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 11:40 AM
So a question:

If the DOJ chooses not to prosecute Trump, does that mean he is innocent?of course not

Blake
08-31-2022, 11:40 AM
It's sad that ABC actually feels the need to run this piece:

"No, the FBI's Trump investigation is not just like the Hillary Clinton email probe. Here's why"

https://abcnews.go.com/US/fbis-trump-investigation-hillary-clinton-email-probe-heres/story?id=89069046

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 11:41 AM
So a question:

If the DOJ chooses not to prosecute Trump, does that mean he is innocent?

There will be riots in the streets if he is not prosecuted.

In Hillary's case, it was concluded that not all elements of a crime could be proved, which of course you have already stated. Happens with like 80% of similar cases referred for potential prosecution.

If you're trying to both sides this for Trump, the DOJ would really have to explain why they thought their case against Trump was so weak after repeatedly dunking on him from the start of this investigation.

RandomGuy
08-31-2022, 11:43 AM
That is the discussion, Cuck. Try to keep up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1564832881113026562/ZfP8QvnQ?format=jpg&name=small

Nothing to discuss. Put the fucker in jail, he broke the law, flagrantly and seriously. Again.

RandomGuy
08-31-2022, 11:44 AM
So a question:

If the DOJ chooses not to prosecute Trump, does that mean he is innocent?

It means that the fascist party has so eroded the rule of law that we can no longer hold presidents accountable for criminal activity.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 11:48 AM
There will be riots in the streets if he is not prosecuted.

In Hillary's case, it was concluded that not all elements of a crime could be proved, which of course you have already stated. Happens with like 80% of similar cases referred for potential prosecution.

If you're trying to both sides this for Trump, the DOJ would really have to explain why they thought their case against Trump was so weak after repeatedly dunking on him from the start of this investigation.

I'm not "both sides" this for trump, but the primary argument, especially from Cuck Blake is "the DOJ didnt charge her so she didn't break the law". Just asking if the same standard will apply if DOJ doesn't charge Trump.

Spurs Homer
08-31-2022, 11:50 AM
So a question:

If the DOJ chooses not to prosecute Trump, does that mean he is innocent?

it would mean that the DOJ does not feel the evidence is enough to convict - trump or whoever else they indict

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 11:50 AM
I'm not "both sides" this for trump, but the primary argument, especially from Cuck Blake is "the DOJ didnt charge her so she didn't break the law". Just asking if the same standard will apply if DOJ doesn't charge Trump. sure, why not?

RandomGuy
08-31-2022, 11:53 AM
"Hillary did it too!"

:madrun

This is vastly easier to prove than anything Hillary may have done.

And Trumps lawyers on this are idiots.

This may finally be the thing that breaks him.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 11:55 AM
sure, why not?

I will still think he is guilty as hell, but I suspect this will come down to where and when a President can declassify documents which would ultimately land in the Supreme Court years from now. DOJ may decide its not worth it.

RandomGuy
08-31-2022, 11:56 AM
I'm not "both sides" this for trump, but the primary argument, especially from Cuck Blake is "the DOJ didnt charge her so she didn't break the law". Just asking if the same standard will apply if DOJ doesn't charge Trump.

I think what Hillary did likely broke the law, but was ultimately mostly due to stupidity, and intent is no small part of proving things like this to my understanding.

This fails the "can it be explained by stupdity" test. There are multiple credible witnesses that say that he personally reviewed this shit.

I am very curious about what he though was so worth keeping.

Lock.
Him.
Up.

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 11:56 AM
I will still think he is guilty as hell, but I suspect this will come down to where and when a President can declassify documents which would ultimately land in the Supreme Court years from now. DOJ may decide its not worth it.why do you think so?

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 11:58 AM
I'm not "both sides" this for trump, but the primary argument, especially from Cuck Blake is "the DOJ didnt charge her so she didn't break the law". Just asking if the same standard will apply if DOJ doesn't charge Trump.Looks like if you don't meet all the elements of the crime, you haven't committed the crime.

Personally I think Garland crossed his own Rubicon on this when the concealed documents were found. This is so egregious I can't see his letting it go.

Spurs Homer
08-31-2022, 12:04 PM
This will all be moot anyway…

other investigations of

a coup attempt, seditious conspiracy, racketeering, election fraud, etc
will also end the traitors political career…

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 12:06 PM
in his desk drawer with important personal documents, not the best look for Trump

1564838233732792320

Blake
08-31-2022, 12:09 PM
I'm not "both sides" this for trump, but the primary argument, especially from Cuck Blake is "the DOJ didnt charge her so she didn't break the law". Just asking if the same standard will apply if DOJ doesn't charge Trump.


Breaking government departmental rules is not the same thing as breaking the law, CuckmicCuckboy. They also found no intent with Hillary. I'm not sure how you can say Trump was just being sloppy with these classified docs lying around his Mar a Lago bedroom floor.

Next line for the "but her email" crew is usually "something smells fishy here" in regards to the evidence.

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 12:15 PM
I will still think he is guilty as hell, but I suspect this will come down to where and when a President can declassify documents which would ultimately land in the Supreme Court years from now. DOJ may decide its not worth it.Red herring

Reportedly the classification power has nothing to do with the Presidential Records Act or the Espionage Act. According to the former, all presidential records belong to the National Archives when the president'sterm is over; under the latter, national defense information of any kind -- classified or declassified -- is protected.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 12:21 PM
Red herring

Reportedly the classification power has nothing to do with the Presidential Records Act or the Espionage Act. According to the former, all presidential records belong to the National Archives when the president'sterm is over; under the latter, national defense information of any kind -- classified or declassified -- is protected.Also obstruction, but he might be able to throw Tweedledee and Tweedledum under the bus for that.

Blake
08-31-2022, 12:27 PM
I will still think he is guilty as hell, but I suspect this will come down to where and when a President can declassify documents which would ultimately land in the Supreme Court years from now. DOJ may decide its not worth it.

Lol who'd you get this talking point from?

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 12:30 PM
I agree there are all sorts of possibilities to charge if they are so inclined, the question is if they will do it. Going after a former President on the Presidential Records Act is a hell of a precedent and is going to look blatantly political. They may want to avoid that now that the records are safe.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 12:31 PM
Lol who'd you get this talking point from?

Some of us have brains and can use them, Cuck. It's a discussion.

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 12:32 PM
Lol who'd you get this talking point from?He's lazy. Probably absorbed it ambiently from cable TV or his Trumpalo buddies.

CC thinks anything that pops into his head to say must be right.

Blake
08-31-2022, 12:33 PM
Some of us have brains and can use them, Cuck. It's a discussion.

All of us have Google and can use it, cucksmiccuckboy. You just struggle with it

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 12:34 PM
I agree there are all sorts of possibilities to charge if they are so inclined, the question is if they will do it. Going after a former President on the Presidential Records Act is a hell of a precedent and is going to look blatantly political. They may want to avoid that now that the records are safe."Riots in the streets."

Bring it on. We might as well get the civil war out of the way. If it's not this it's going to be something else.

And saying this is only about the records act is dishonest.

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 12:35 PM
I agree there are all sorts of possibilities to charge if they are so inclined, the question is if they will do it. Going after a former President on the Presidential Records Act is a hell of a precedent and is going to look blatantly political. They may want to avoid that now that the records are safe.not prosecuting ex-officials who break the law looks blatantly political too, it's a primary source of your Hillary Derangement Syndrome, tbh.

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 12:35 PM
not prosecuting ex-officials who break the law looks blatantly political too, tbh.

Guess we will see, won't we?

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 12:38 PM
All of us have Google and can use it, cucksmiccuckboy. You just struggle with it

Sancho apparently knew how to use his google a lot better than you did. :lol

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 12:39 PM
"Riots in the streets."

Bring it on. We might as well get the civil war out of the way. If it's not this it's going to be something else.

And saying this is only about the records act is dishonest.

yeah, I think it may be the January 6 stuff that finally gets him.

Blake
08-31-2022, 12:44 PM
Sancho apparently knew how to use his google a lot better than you did. :lol

Lol that doesn't make any sense. You guys try so hard..:lol

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 12:45 PM
yeah, I think it may be the January 6 stuff that finally gets him.the legal hazard looks much worse in this case. just having the documents at this point goes to establish willfulness and knowledge.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 12:45 PM
yeah, I think it may be the January 6 stuff that finally gets him.I think he'll actually skate on that stuff barring a flip by one of the inner circle. The liability is really diffuse.

The classified and defense information and obstruction violations here are so clear here I can't see Trump's getting away with them.

Blake
08-31-2022, 12:47 PM
I agree there are all sorts of possibilities to charge if they are so inclined, the question is if they will do it. Going after a former President on the Presidential Records Act is a hell of a precedent and is going to look blatantly political. They may want to avoid that now that the records are safe.

So basically any President from here on out can just go ahead and take classified docs on the way out the door because the worst case scenario is they'll just have to give them back.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 12:47 PM
:lol this guy is definitely trying to Hillarize the situation:

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ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 12:48 PM
So basically any President from here on out can just go ahead and take classified docs on the way out the door because the worst case scenario is they'll just have to give them back.
I think this probably would've gone away if Trump had coughed up all the documents the first time around.

Blake
08-31-2022, 12:49 PM
:lol this guy is definitely trying to Hillarize the situation:

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:lol who out there is implying that Hillary will now be prosecuted? The straw they use :lol

CosmicCowboy
08-31-2022, 12:51 PM
I think this probably would've gone away if Trump had coughed up all the documents the first time around.

I agree

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 12:52 PM
I think this probably would've gone away if Trump had coughed up all the documents the first time around.yep, they bent over backwards to make it easy on Trump, and he fucked em.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 12:53 PM
:lol who out there is implying that Hillary will now be prosecuted? The straw they use :lol

:lol I have to check out the rest of his conspiracy theory, but a Harvard Law grad's calling a public filing a leak is pure cringe.

Blake
08-31-2022, 12:55 PM
I think this probably would've gone away if Trump had coughed up all the documents the first time around.

So the next natural question is: what's in the docs that he didn't willingly give back

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 12:57 PM
:lol I have to check out the rest of his conspiracy theory, but a Harvard Law grad's calling a public filing a leak is pure cringe.if Trump hadn't gone venue shopping for the appointment of a special master 3 weeks later, there wouldn't be a public filing. the DOJ is kicking Trump in the pants because the Trump-appointed judge ordered them to.

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 12:59 PM
So the next natural question is: what's in the docs that he didn't willingly give backanother: what else is Trump still withholding?

not hard to imagine Trump thinks he has something he can blackmail the USG with.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 01:03 PM
So the next natural question is: what's in the docs that he didn't willingly give back

Right, we'll likely never know the contents of most of them. If they're SO DECLASSIFIED, Trump and everyone else who has seen them since can just tell Fox & Friends.

Strange how that hasn't happened.

Blake
08-31-2022, 01:04 PM
another: what else is Trump still withholding?

not hard to imagine Trump thinks he has something he can blackmail the USG with.

Wouldn't surprise me if National Parks comes forward and asks for the furniture or toilet seats back

Winehole23
08-31-2022, 01:09 PM
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Blake
08-31-2022, 01:20 PM
1564854630940610560

"On March 20, 2020, Lavarello removed classified documents from the U.S. Embassy Manila. She took the classified documents to her hotel room where she hosted a dinner party later that evening. Among the guests were two foreign nationals. During the party, a co-worker at the U.S. Embassy Manila discovered the documents, which included documents classified at the SECRET level. Lavarello’s temporary assignment in the Philippines was ultimately terminated due to her mishandling of SECRET classified documents.

Around March 28, 2020, Lavarello returned to Hawaii. In June of that year, investigators executed a search warrant at her workplace at the United States Indo-Pacific Command. In her desk, investigators found a notebook containing Lavarello’s handwritten notes of meetings she attended while working at the U.S. Embassy Manila. The notes contained facts and information classified at the CONFIDENTIAL and SECRET levels. Investigators determined that Lavarello did not send the classified notebook via secure diplomatic pouch from the U.S. Embassy Manila to Hawaii, as required. Instead, she personally transported the documents to Hawaii, unsecured, and kept the classified notebook at an unsecure location until at least April 13, 2020. Subsequently, Lavarello made false statements to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service in response to questioning about her handling of the classified material..........."

https://www.justice.gov/usao-hi/pr/honolulu-woman-receives-three-months-prison-removal-and-retention-classified-material

I didn't look, but wondering what the max sentence is here if she had pled not guilty. Lol she even lied to the feds.

koriwhat
08-31-2022, 03:22 PM
dumbfuck tweet

LMAO Twatter's and conflating issues.

ChumpDumper
08-31-2022, 04:02 PM
yeah, I think it may be the January 6 stuff that finally gets him.

Again, this Mar-a-Lago stuff is just too easy.

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