Trade: Thad Young and Pistons 2022 second round pick for Goran Dragic and lottery protected 2022 first round pick from Raptors

[Leetonidas]

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[BatManu20]

Great trade tbh. Just need the Raps to make the playoffs.


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[Leetonidas]

Slovenian servers... :lol

[KingKev]

Has to be more to this.

[spurraider21]

Y tho. Seems very lateral

[BatManu20]

Spurs basically doing the Raps a solid here.


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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

There's more to this trade, doesn't work straight up.

[r0drig0lac]

now send this bum to Slove...Dallas

[BatManu20]

Prob a 2nd Rounder attached.

[stnick2261]

Dragic = 19.44mil
Young = 14.19mil

We have to add 1.3-9.13mil more to match and we'd hopefully be receiving picks

[mo7888]

Dragic = 19.44mil
Young = 14.19mil

We have to add 1.3-9.13mil more to match and we'd hopefully be receiving picks

Maybe.. we moved Drew?

[emanueldavidginobili]

Drew or KDB would make this work. It’s probably one of them.

[Dverde]

Drew or KDB would make this work. It’s probably one of them.

Pack a coat Drew!

[exstatic]

Drew or KDB would make this work. It’s probably one of them.

They were looking for a center, so either Drew or Landale make sense.

[Dex]

This will be the 2nd time Dragic is a Spur but still won't play a single minute.

[MannyIsGod]

Eubanks is gone and a 2nd. But we got a first! Nice!

[couchman]

I'm guessing we pick up another 2nd rounder on this and then buyout Dragic. (EDIT) Oh we got a 1st!! Nice! This is almost certain to convey this year right?
So we'll have a pick in the top 10 and then another in the late teens early 20's.
It's going to be an exciting draft

[MannyIsGod]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1491820016165076997?s=20&t=mqRp2iezwLvSKyfdnNPTTg

[MultiTroll]

Prob a 2nd Rounder attached.
Oh great. 2027 or later?

[Dex]

Prob a 2nd Rounder attached.

OKC owns the first round, Spurs will own the second.

[BatManu20]

Spurs got a Protected 1st. Nice!


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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Awesome work Brian Wright tbh.

[Kevin]

Nice pick swap for nothing. Love it!

[Leetonidas]

Nice, so as long as Toronto makes the playoffs this year we get their first rounder?

[KingKev]

Eubanks gone which is a small win and we basically got a +10-15 spot pick swap. This is meh.

[Seventyniner]

Now we have to root for Toronto to make the playoffs, right?

Sucks that we have to give up that Detroit 2nd though. Or did I read things wrong?

[Spurs9]

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[MannyIsGod]

Wish it would have been the Lakers 2nd but that's still a good upgrade.

[Seventyniner]

The Raps pick would be #20 if the season ended today. The Spurs don't have a good recent history of picks in that range (Walker, Samanic, James Anderson from a while back) but it's still another bite at the apple.

[sananspursfan21]

I’m all for getting more assets, but Spurs should have gotten a useful rotational player out of Thad. Disappointing.

[LakerHater]

Aaaaaaaand another Guard!!!

WTF!!!

[Spurs9]

I like turtles next to be traded?

[MannyIsGod]

I’m all for getting more assets, but Spurs should have gotten a useful rotational player out of Thad. Disappointing.

Imagine being disappointed by this trade

[emanueldavidginobili]

Getting a 1st, Eubanks off the team and not buying out Thad. W

[Ditty]

I’m just happy that Ewwbanks is finally gone!

[TD 21]

It probably won't move the needle in the end, but it's still nice to see the Spurs fleece those bastards.

[ceperez]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y86mholk

Ooops... Drew was in the mix.

[LakerHater]

... and then are expected to buy him out

[exstatic]

So,the Kawhi haul stands at Keldon, 2 FRPs and the LAL SRP this year. Not fucking bad.

[rankingtear]

For TOR to give up a swap is huge tbh.

[spurraider21]

Spurs got a Protected 1st. Nice!


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now it makes sense :tu

[itzsoweezee]

Actually a great deal

[MannyIsGod]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1491820774180593667?t=eEBXuiYqlcHaaRGCM2YWrg&s=19

I wonder if this this why he didn't play much. Fucking shrewd if so.

[exstatic]

Aaaaaaaand another Guard!!!

WTF!!!

Pull your head out of your ass. This is about assets and ending contracts, Dragic probably won’t be on the roster for more than a few days. He’s being bought out.

Since this trade was unequal player wise, when we cut Dragic, we’ll also have two roster spots open. This is how we picked up KBD 2 years ago.

[8FOR!3]

This was a masterful trade from Brian Wright. Two guys who are no longer in the rotation for a 1st round pick. And it gives us two roster spots. I'm assuming 1 goes to Joe Wieskamp. But that still leaves another right? Leaves us with 2-3 centers and he also turned Bryn Forbes who wasn't needed in this teams rotation for picks. Wonder if we sign a guy or if we make another trade. Either way this is the most impressed I've ever been with Brian Wright.

[CGD]

I like it, though, my only nit is that it was the DET pick. But hey that’s why you get SRPs in the first place, and that LAL pick is still looking good.

[adonis827]

detroit 2nd is a lows 30s. Toronto 1st is in the 20s so this is essentially a pick swap. But then instead of buying out Young and burying Eubanks in the bench you get to buyout Dragic which is more expensive. Not sure this is a lot to be excited about.

[exstatic]

Oh, and Phoenix is left holding nothing. They wanted Thad and they wanted Dragic, and it looks like they’ll get neither. Goren supposedly headed for Dallas.

[Mr. Body]

That's nice -- move Eubanks, who wasn't working. That Detroit pick is nice for a 2nd rounder, but they potentially move up ten spots or so or get it next year. This is very nice for a player they could have just bought out.

[ceperez]

So,the Kawhi haul stands at Keldon, 2 FRPs and the LAL SRP this year. Not fucking bad.

We also have Poetl.

[Marco]

The TOR pick should be only slightly better than the DET second, so it's a little disappointing.

[ceperez]

That's nice -- move Eubanks, who wasn't working. That Detroit pick is nice for a 2nd rounder, but they potentially move up ten spots or so or get it next year. This is very nice for a player they could have just bought out.

I don't thing anyone had an expectations for Eubanks. He was strategically picked up for trades like this!

[Mr. Body]

The TOR pick should be only slightly better than the DET second, so it's a little disappointing.

Nah, you move up ten picks or so for basically nothing.

[R. DeMurre]

Toronto is quietly having a decent year (30-23 currently, 6th seed in East), and this move shows they're going for it in the playoffs-- so that FRP protected 1-14 looks like it'll be real.

[Mr. Body]

I don't thing anyone had an expectations for Eubanks. He was strategically picked up for trades like this!

I don't think so, either, but it shows clear direction with Collins coming on.

[Dex]

Yes, obviously this is nothing earth shattering but still nice the see the Spurs doing SOMETHING. I was gonna be pissed if all of this turned into another Carroll situation for the Spurs...paying guys off just to be nice.

[8FOR!3]

Nah, you move up ten picks or so for basically nothing.

Exactly for two guys that aren't in the rotation. Young was likely to get bought out and Eubanks was just there for moral support at this point.

[ceperez]

now it makes sense :tu

This is a mystery. How the hell did we get a FRP from Toronto?

[Leetonidas]

can someone clarify? I keep seeing its a swap but then i see its protected 1-14. I assume this means if it is outside that range it would convey this year, correct? Or am i missing something regarding the swap?

[ceperez]

I don't think so, either, but it shows clear direction with Collins coming on.

It was always known that Collins needed rehab when he was signed. Eubanks was that stop gap.

[couchman]

So,the Kawhi haul stands at Keldon, 2 FRPs and the LAL SRP this year. Not fucking bad.

And Poeltl!
At the end of the day we got a solid return on Kawhi considering how badly he crippled his trade value before we shipped him.

[rjv]

I'm rooting for Thad to have a solid stint with the Raptors. They've got to make the playoffs.

[JeffDuncan]

The player part is a wash for us, since Thad wasn’t playing and Eubanks was on his way out. So it’s a 2nd round pick for a 1st and two open roster spots. Presuming Dragic is let go. Looks fine.

Hope the roster spots go to PF types, or big SF types, or one of each. It’ll be good if they can shoot.

[adonis827]

The Raps pick would be #20 if the season ended today. The Spurs don't have a good recent history of picks in that range (Walker, Samanic, James Anderson from a while back) but it's still another bite at the apple.

DJM, White and Keldon were end of 1st rounds. If they can find gems at the end of 1st round what more in the 20s. I guess just trust the Spurs scouts

[MultiTroll]

So max perfect finish would be Toronto 15th pick now Spurs.

Happy for Young, gets a chance to play in playoffs and huge coaching upgrade.

[exstatic]

can someone clarify? I keep seeing its a swap but then i see its protected 1-14. I assume this means if it is outside that range it would convey this year, correct? Or am i missing something regarding the swap?
Yes, it conveys if they’re not in the lottery this year. If they are, we get another shot next year, protected 1-13.

[siraulo23]

holy shit

big W by the Spurs FO :wow

[stnick2261]

can someone clarify? I keep seeing its a swap but then i see its protected 1-14. I assume this means if it is outside that range it would convey this year, correct? Or am i missing something regarding the swap?

It's not a true swap. We are giving the Detroit 2nd rounder (currently pick #31). We are getting back this year's Toronto's 1st rounder (currently pick #20) which is 1-14 protected. If something goes wrong and they fall apart, then we'd get 2023's 1st rounder (also protected).

Currently it's a 11 spot draft increase, but the gap should be smaller if Toronto rises in the standing by the end of the season. Still, that's several extra names still left on the draft board when we select.

[ceperez]

DJM, White and Keldon were end of 1st rounds. If they can find gems at the end of 1st round what more in the 20s. I guess just trust the Spurs scouts

These guys are good, but they aren't the kind of players that get you into the playoffs.

[Marco]

Toronto is quietly having a decent year (30-23 currently, 6th seed in East), and this move shows they're going for it in the playoffs-- so that FRP protected 1-14 looks like it'll be real.

Real? Yes. But at the end of the day it will be only 5-6 spots ahead of the DET pick. Not excited.

[Ocotillo]

I was buried in work and decided to take a break and peak at the board to see if I missed anything. This is great news. I hope Young gets some PT up there. Regarding the two open roster spots don't get too excited, the guys being brought in will be end of bench guys. This years draft will be a lot of fun to watch.

[CGD]

So,the Kawhi haul stands at Keldon, 2 FRPs and the LAL SRP this year. Not fucking bad.

Technically all this for George Hill, the 26th pick in the 2008 draft!

I think the SRP is actually CHI’s SRP 2025 pick, and the LAL SRP was via the Hutchinson swap if I’m recalling correctly.

And don’t forget Jakob who may still get flipped.

[daslicer]

The Raps pick would be #20 if the season ended today. The Spurs don't have a good recent history of picks in that range (Walker, Samanic, James Anderson from a while back) but it's still another bite at the apple.

By getting another first round pick it gives the spurs 2 chances to gamble on some young prospect that could have high potential. Also, it allows the spurs to make a low-risk high reward type of pick with a young prospect much like they did with Dejounte back in 2016.

[CGD]

Nah, you move up ten picks or so for basically nothing.

Yup. If draft were today (and without factoring ping pong balls), TOR pick is 20 and DET pick is 32.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Real? Yes. But at the end of the day it will be only 5-6 spots ahead of the DET pick. Not excited.

There's no way Toronto get to pick 25-26. They're more likely to end up in the play in.

As things currently stand it's a 11 positions upgrade for literally nothing. Objectively it's great work from Wright.

[Leetonidas]

Thanks for clarifying guys. This turned out to be an excellent return for Young. Swapping the DET pick to a pick likely in the 15-20 range is a win in my book :tu

[duncan2150]

We need to realize that we move 12 picks for a guy who'll be brough out. Hope that the Raps makes the PO

[KobesAchilles]

Damn Brian Wright is fire! I have hope for the future now if he keeps making moves like this. We now have 3 FRPs this year? (Assuming TOR makes the playoffs). Collecting assets while losing semi-rotational players is the work of a great GM. Now I hope he has a good eye for coaching talent...

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1491820774180593667?t=eEBXuiYqlcHaaRGCM2YWrg&s=19

I wonder if this this why he didn't play much. Fucking shrewd if so.

wow, so that's why Pop was sitting him. To save the team that trades for him some money :lol Makes sense

[szkorhetz]

Wright is amazing this year. Props!

[Atl Spur]

With a 1st, you can control the player for five years on a cheap contract:)

[SpurPadre]

So,the Kawhi haul stands at Keldon, 2 FRPs and the LAL SRP this year. Not fucking bad.

They did get a title out of it but considering we were basically held at gunpoint, it’s really worked out well for us at this point.

[SpurPadre]

Damn Brian Wright is fire! I have hope for the future now if he keeps making moves like this. We now have 3 FRPs this year? (Assuming TOR makes the playoffs). Collecting assets while losing semi-rotational players is the work of a great GM. Now I hope he has a good eye for coaching talent...

Bruh, Manu is right there ready to take over.

[JADG79]

I'm excited because we did a trade, but trading Detroit 2nd round (projected #31) was not great.

[duncan2150]

I'm excited because we did a trade, but trading Detroit 2nd round (projected #31) was not great.

For the 20th pick ?

[Big Empty]

This is awesome. Sam Presti kinda chess trading. Now we have more assets to find that diamond in the rough or to trade

[Rocalcio]

These guys are good, but they aren't the kind of players that get you into the playoffs.

Breaking news, Murray is an All-Star…

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

They did get a title out of it but considering we were basically held at gunpoint, it’s really worked out well for us at this point.

And considering that Kawhi had his successful year at Toronto, but has basically been a non-factor in the league since then, it's looked ok for the Spurs that he left. As disruptive as Kawhi's injury train appears to be for his teammates and coaches, I'm not sure how much success the Spurs would have continued to have had even if he'd stayed. Hard to build any momentum when your franchise player is made of tissue paper.

Obviously I hate that we lost one of the league's best talents, but jeez, that's a lot of drama.

[KobesAchilles]

Bruh, Manu is right there ready to take over.
One can only hope. Game 7 of the NBA finals. Down 20 at the half with no hope. SCSA music hits and Manu comes out of retirement one last time to lead his team to victory

[cjw]

Let’s hope Raptors stay in the six spot (or they manage not to screw up and lose two play-in games). They have a nice cushion over the Hornets and Hawks for now to stay in top eight.

[cjw]

So assuming the picks convey, the Kawhi/Green haul is now three years of Demar + Poeltl + three first round picks? Not horrible all things considered.

Brian Wright to the rescue.

[LakerHater]

Derrick WHITE gone!!

[timvp]

That's a really interesting trade, tbh. It could work out really well for the Spurs -- but there's some downside risk. If the Raptors don't make the playoffs, there's then a chance the Spurs traded away the #31 pick for two future second rounders. That ... wouldn't be good. There's also a chance this only moves the Spurs up a few spots if the Raptors keep surging. That'd still be fine; I would still like the trade if it ends up Thad and #31 for #26 or whatever.

But, yeah, really interesting one. I would have liked a bit more risk protection (say, the Spurs don't owe the second rounder if the Raptors miss the playoffs) but I'm okay with the gamble. I've long been a proponent of stacking draft picks so I'm pretty impressed with how Wright is wrangling all this draft capital.

[LakerHater]

Pull your head out of your ass. This is about assets and ending contracts, Dragic probably won’t be on the roster for more than a few days. He’s being bought out.

Since this trade was unequal player wise, when we cut Dragic, we’ll also have two roster spots open. This is how we picked up KBD 2 years ago.
Isn't Josh Richardson a G??

[Chinook]

I don't like this deal. The Pistons pick is great. Trading that for a pick that might not convey until next year. If it does convey this year, it'll be a few picks higher. It's not nothing, but at the max, it's barely worth it. The obvious downside is trading a high-second for two random future seconds. That would be negative value.

Hopefully the Raptors give up a pick in the teens this season. That would be cool. But this is worse than the Hernangomez deal in terms of using leverage.

At least Gambit's happy, as now we're all Raptors fans for the rest of the year.

[Russ]

The Spurs finally got the guy I wanted way back in the 2008 thread (see below) -- except now he's 35-bleeping years old. The Spurs originally drafted Dragic then traded him to the Suns back in '08.


Dragic -- the one thing I liked about this draft.

I remember feeling great for about 5 seconds when the Spurs drafted Barbosa -- then the same thing happened. :bang


The Spurs need to stop drafting for the Suns (and the Rockets for that matter).

Dragic is the type of player that the Spurs would have drafted and kept in earlier years. Barbosa, too.

Looking forward, they definitely need to make the Splitter pick pay off. :toast

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99985&page=7&p=4329669&viewfull=1#post4329669

Well, I guess all's well that ends . . . well, that ends . . .

[dbestpro]

Moving up 10 spots in the draft is a big deal. Add that to Boston 1st and Spurs 1st and SA may be in position to trade into the top three.

[Robz4000]

I don't like this deal. The Pistons pick is great. Trading that for a pick that might not convey until next year. If it does convey this year, it'll be a few picks higher. It's not nothing, but at the max, it's barely worth it. The obvious downside is trading a high-second for two random future seconds. That would be negative value.

Hopefully the Raptors give up a pick in the teens this season. That would be cool. But this is worse than the Hernangomez deal in terms of using leverage.

At least Gambit's happy, as now we're all Raptors fans for the rest of the year.

This tbh. Looks like the Raptors fleeced the Spurs again.

[timvp]

Man ... are the Raptors really going to make the playoffs? They're the sixth seed but they have the Nets, Celtics and Hawks on their tail and the top five seeds look very likely to make it. The Raptors are on a seven game winning streak and Thad will make them better ... but I'd say there's like a ~25% chance they don't make the playoffs. Charlotte is another team that could enter the mix.

Oddly risky trade but the upside is high enough that it's likely worth it. Hmm...

[timvp]

Man ... are the Raptors really going to make the playoffs? They're the sixth seed but they have the Nets, Celtics and Hawks on their tail and the top five seeds look very likely to make it. The Raptors are on a seven game winning streak and Thad will make them better ... but I'd say there's like a ~25% chance they don't make the playoffs. Charlotte is another team that could enter the mix.

Oddly risky trade but the upside is high enough that it's likely worth it. Hmm...

[MannyIsGod]

It is extremely unlikely the Raptors miss the playoffs imo.

[exstatic]

Real? Yes. But at the end of the day it will be only 5-6 spots ahead of the DET pick. Not excited.

You don’t know that. It could easily stay at 10 picks. They didn’t get Poeltl, they got Thad young.

[MannyIsGod]

538 Raptor gives the Raptors, lol, a 85% chance to make the playoffs. ELO gives them a 92% chance. The Nets and Cs got better today, but the Bulls are likely going to fall more. I don't think there's even a 1/4 chance they miss the playoffs. I'd be a bit worried about the Hornets but thats it.

[rjv]

raptors last part of the schedule is not exactly a cakewalk

[slick'81]

Fckn brian wright got a 1st for thaddeus ! Great fckn job!

[cjw]

Before the play-in tournament, the odds of missing were probably lower. But losing two straight is very possible.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Technically all this for George Hill, the 26th pick in the 2008 draft!

I think the SRP is actually CHI’s SRP 2025 pick, and the LAL SRP was via the Hutchinson swap if I’m recalling correctly.

And don’t forget Jakob who may still get flipped.

Don't forget Davis Bertans who was included in that George Hill trade to Indiana as well. Damn shame we didn't get something for him to add to the Kawhi trade lineage.

[timtonymanu]

Dragic and Josh Richardson would have been solid gets on this team like 6 years ago... :lol Now the value is for picks.

[Seventyniner]

Today's trades will make it more difficult for the Raptors to make the playoffs imo. They sit in 6th right now, but ahead of the Celtics and Nets. I think it's more likely that one or both teams pass the Raptors than a team ahead of the Raptors (Heat/Bucks/Bulls/Cavs/Sixers) falls behind them. Maybe the Cavs will turn back into a pumpkin.

The Raptors improved today, but imo the Celtics improved more and the Nets will have a ton of talent once Durant comes back.

[timvp]

538 Raptor gives the Raptors, lol, a 85% chance to make the playoffs. ELO gives them a 92% chance. The Nets and Cs got better today, but the Bulls are likely going to fall more. I don't think there's even a 1/4 chance they miss the playoffs. I'd be a bit worried about the Hornets but thats it.

I hope you're right. 538 has the Nets at 60% chance to make the playoffs. That feels low -- but that obviously depends on when Durant returns and if Simmons can play right away. If the Nets and Celtics make the playoffs, then the final spot likely goes to the Raptors, Hornets or Hawks. The Raptors have the edge now but the Hornets and Hawks have enough talent to make a run at it, IMO.

[timvp]

538 Raptor gives the Raptors, lol, a 85% chance to make the playoffs. ELO gives them a 92% chance. The Nets and Cs got better today, but the Bulls are likely going to fall more. I don't think there's even a 1/4 chance they miss the playoffs. I'd be a bit worried about the Hornets but thats it.

I hope you're right. 538 has the Nets at 60% chance to make the playoffs. That feels low -- but that obviously depends on when Durant returns and if Simmons can play right away. If the Nets and Celtics make the playoffs, then the final spot likely goes to the Raptors, Hornets or Hawks. The Raptors have the edge now but the Hornets and Hawks have enough talent to make a run at it, IMO.

[CGD]

I hope you're right. 538 has the Nets at 60% chance to make the playoffs. That feels low -- but that obviously depends on when Durant returns and if Simmons can play right away. If the Nets and Celtics make the playoffs, then the final spot likely goes to the Raptors, Hornets or Hawks. The Raptors have the edge now but the Hornets and Hawks have enough talent to make a run at it, IMO.

It’s also in play next year worst case, which I’d prefer after the Derrick White trade

[MannyIsGod]

I hope you're right. 538 has the Nets at 60% chance to make the playoffs. That feels low -- but that obviously depends on when Durant returns and if Simmons can play right away. If the Nets and Celtics make the playoffs, then the final spot likely goes to the Raptors, Hornets or Hawks. The Raptors have the edge now but the Hornets and Hawks have enough talent to make a run at it, IMO.

TBF I doubt Raptor is updated with the trades today.

[Chomag]

Oh wow, this sure beats Spurs just having to cut Young

[Mr. Body]

Raptors are five games out of the play-in right now. Man, the East is actually really competitive this year. I'd say there's a decent chance they drop out, definitely, but they should be better next year. My bet is the FRP confers this year or next year.

[rjv]

so i just read that eubanks is going to be waived by the raptors. is there any chance he comes back to the spurs? (it's just a question; i'm not saying one way or the other about whether he should)

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[Mr. Body]

so i just read that eubanks is going to be waived by the raptors. is there any chance he comes back to the spurs? (it's just a question; i'm not saying one way or the other about whether he should)

I don't think a player can return to the team that traded him. I could be wrong.

[Chinook]

I wish the trade was the lesser of DET/CHI and LAL if the Raptors don't convey the pick and the better if they do. That the Spurs don't at least trade away the 31st pick for nothing.

RGMers think Masai got fleeced. I can't disagree more.

[rjv]

I don't think a player can return to the team that traded him. I could be wrong.

i remember barry came back to SA after being traded but i can't remember the details other than he had to wait a certain amount of time

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Great trade by Brian Wright!!!

we got a 1st for Thad and Eubanks!!!!!! Who would’ve fucking thought?!!

[Seventyniner]

i remember barry came back to SA after being traded but i can't remember the details other than he had to wait a certain amount of time

It used to be 30 days, but iirc it was that Barry deal that led the league to change the rule to one year.

[Uriel]

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Can we bring him back for humanitarian reasons, a la Brent Barry?

[rjv]

It used to be 30 days, but iirc it was that Barry deal that led the league to change the rule to one year.

yeah, that makes sense. i mean, i wouldn't have wanted him back but was just curious as to if it was possible. hope he winds up somewhere though. and learns to set picks without committing an offensive foul.

[jeebus]

Can we bring him back for humanitarian reasons, a la Brent Barry?

Please no.

[heyheymymy]

wow, so that's why Pop was sitting him. To save the team that trades for him some money :lol Makes sense

Wow all these things we second guessed were deliberate CIA PATFO ops.

[elbamba1]

Do we still lose the 2nd if for whatever reason the Raptors get to keep their draft pick?

[Mr. Body]

Do we still lose the 2nd if for whatever reason the Raptors get to keep their draft pick?

I believe it turns into two second round picks.

[spurraider21]

Please no.
can we bring back your boy Jeff Ayres though?

[flox]

Eubanks is welcome back to the Austin Spurs for sure.

[jeebus]

can we bring back your boy Jeff Ayres though?

lol that'd make so many of his sniffers on here cream their panties.

[CGD]

I wish the trade was the lesser of DET/CHI and LAL if the Raptors don't convey the pick and the better if they do. That the Spurs don't at least trade away the 31st pick for nothing.

RGMers think Masai got fleeced. I can't disagree more.

No disrespect, but I think you're overthinking this some. With the full context of the BOS trade too, I like having ~18 & ~20, which can be combined to move up to 10-12 range easier than ~18 & ~32.

[Chinook]

No disrespect, but I think you're overthinking this some. With the full context of the BOS trade too, I like having ~18 & ~20, which can be combined to move up to 10-12 range easier than ~18 & ~32.

I think overthinking it is assuming the Spurs will be able to move up and putting that as the return. The Spurs didn't get the 12th pick for White, Young and Eubanks and the Detroit second. They didn't even get the 18th and 20th picks. They got conditional picks that can fall within a range that's not very clearly defined. Considering both teams got better from the trade, it's not safe to assume the picks will trend toward their upside.

[slick'81]

So are the spurs actually getting a frp for thaddeus or not?!

[Leetonidas]

So are the spurs actually getting a frp for thaddeus or not?!

As long as Toronto makes the playoffs, then yes

[timvp]

So are the spurs actually getting a frp for thaddeus or not?!

Most likely.

But there's also a chance that the Spurs gave away the #31 pick for nothing of value, tbh :lol

[Chinook]

So are the spurs actually getting a frp for thaddeus or not?!

They're getting a protected pick for Young and the Detroit second.

[slick'81]

As long as Toronto makes the playoffs, then yes

stay in that 6th spot tor!

[CGD]

Most likely.

But there's also a chance that the Spurs gave away the #31 pick for nothing of value, tbh :lol

Very strong chance TOR is making the playoffs this year though, so looking like a pick in the 18-22 range (20th if season ended right now). They've been playing great of late beating good teams. BOS and BKY after today seem like the only real threats to push them out of 6th in the East (though ATL at 10 looms). Also, with as crappy as the West is this year, they could get knocked out in the play-in and still convey this year.

[slick'81]

Damn so we could have 3 frp in 22!?:wow

[TD 21]

I don't get the complaints. The odds are clearly on the Spurs side of moving up 12ish spots and it was worth it for the cost.

If the Raptors move back into the play-in, it'll more than likely be as a 7 or 8 seed vs the Hornets or Hawks, either of whom they'd likely beat.

[timvp]

Also, with as crappy as the West is this year, they could get knocked out in the play-in and still convey this year.

Negative. Picks 1-14 go to teams that don't make the playoffs regardless of record.

[exstatic]

As long as Toronto makes the playoffs, then yes

…one of the next two years.

[CGD]

Negative. Picks 1-14 go to teams that don't make the playoffs regardless of record.

Ah, didn't know how that worked in light of the play in. Thanks. I remain optimistic on this year -- Nets will likely jump up from 8, but TOR has been playing really well of late beating good teams along the way. Neither CHA or ATL moved the needle today, though BOS did.

Then there is always next year when protections are 1-13 suggesting a conference imbalance could come into play then.

[objective]

I wish the trade was the lesser of DET/CHI and LAL if the Raptors don't convey the pick and the better if they do. That the Spurs don't at least trade away the 31st pick for nothing.

RGMers think Masai got fleeced. I can't disagree more.

Agreed

Brian Wright seems to like to leave loopholes where the Spurs can get screwed if the stars align

[jjspur]

So are the spurs actually getting a frp for thaddeus or not?!
More than likely Toronto makes the playoffs and we get a 1st round pick from them. Who would have believed that the spurs would be sitting on 3 possible first round picks? Whomever was making the decisions this trade season probably wasn't making them the last several seasons and the team benefitted from it tremendously. Yeah !!! We did good !
Lets see what the buyout season holds and then on to the draft with our 3 picks.

[offset formation]

Pull your head out of your ass. This is about assets and ending contracts, Dragic probably won’t be on the roster for more than a few days. He’s being bought out.

Since this trade was unequal player wise, when we cut Dragic, we’ll also have two roster spots open. This is how we picked up KBD 2 years ago.

Cacock with PT now?

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stay in that 6th spot tor!

gotta watch out for Atlanta and Charlotte both playing better.

[slick'81]

gotta watch out for Atlanta and Charlotte both playing better.


yea, but im all in on 3 frp's in 2022!

[exstatic]

Cacock with PT now?

Maybe. We’re down to one open spot now, once Goran is bought out, because of the 2 for 1 the other way by Boston.

It would depend on if any promising but underused young players drop between the cracks in the fallout from the trade deadline, and again at the playoff roster deadline when contenders sign buyouts. That’s how we got KBD two years ago.

We have Cacok under control for the rest of this year and next year by 2Way deal. If there are no likely waiver candidates, they may convert Cacoks contract, wait until this summer to do it, or let him roll into next year on a 2 way. It just depends on what else happens. There’s a lot of moving parts.

[offset formation]

yea, but im all in on 3 frp's in 2022!

So we have the Raptors if they make the playoffs, the Celtics, the LAL, and our own, which would make 4 no? I'm missing a move somewhere and ending up with 4 instead of 3?? What gives??

[Kurik]

So we have the Raptors if they make the playoffs, the Celtics, the LAL, and our own, which would make 4 no? I'm missing a move somewhere and ending up with 4 instead of 3?? What gives??

There’s no FRP from the lakers.

[exstatic]

So we have the Raptors if they make the playoffs, the Celtics, the LAL, and our own, which would make 4 no? I'm missing a move somewhere and ending up with 4 instead of 3?? What gives??

The LAL pick is a second rounder, currently in the 40s.

[offset formation]

Ah, thought it was a FRP. Appreciate the clarification. Either way, we should have 2 picks in the low to mid 20s AT WORST, as well as ours in the 7-10 range. Could likely package that to-go into top 3 if they really saw something they liked or just hang back and stock up on solid ass players.

This is the draft, along with Primo's hopeful development that returns us to annual playoff territory. Just wish we'd get consistency from Walker. That could turn into a nice, solid, and deep roster for the first time in years. No Timmay but maybe 4 or 5 solid players if Collins, Walker, or Vassell become their potential.

[wildbill2u]

Cacok appears to be another one of those PFs that is really too short for the position???? I know he has been successful in the G League team, but G League ain't the big show. I actually kinda like him, but damn it, no more tweeners please.

[Seventyniner]

Ah, thought it was a FRP. Appreciate the clarification. Either way, we should have 2 picks in the low to mid 20s AT WORST, as well as ours in the 7-10 range. Could likely package that to-go into top 3 if they really saw something they liked or just hang back and stock up on solid ass players.

Worst case for the Boston pick is if they go on a tear and finish with a top 6 or so record, putting their pick (now the Spurs') around #25. Not likely imo.
Worst case for the Toronto pick is if they miss the playoffs. Then they keep their 2022 first and the Spurs only get Toronto's 2023 first if Toronto makes the playoffs next season. This has a decent chance of happening because Toronto will likely be in the play-in and any team can go cold for a game or two.
Worst case for the Spurs' own pick is not jumping into the top 4 and having teams like Portland and Washington out-tank them the rest of the way.

Best case for the Boston pick is them missing the playoffs, not jumping into the top 4, and having to convey a pick in the #11 range to the Spurs. Not likely.
Best case for the Toronto pick is them barely squeaking into the playoffs and having to convey a pick around #17. Good chance this happens if they are in the play-in and make it into the bracket.
Best case for the Spurs pick, of course, is winning the lottery and picking #1. There's a decent chance of jumping into the top 4 (37.2% chance if the season ended today) and right now the Spurs' chances of picking #1 are 9%.

[Chinook]

Worst case for the Boston pick is if they go on a tear and finish with a top 6 or so record, putting their pick (now the Spurs') around #25. Not likely imo.
Worst case for the Toronto pick is if they miss the playoffs. Then they keep their 2022 first and the Spurs only get Toronto's 2023 first if Toronto makes the playoffs next season. This has a decent chance of happening because Toronto will likely be in the play-in and any team can go cold for a game or two.
Worst case for the Spurs' own pick is not jumping into the top 4 and having teams like Portland and Washington out-tank them the rest of the way.

Best case for the Boston pick is them missing the playoffs, not jumping into the top 4, and having to convey a pick in the #11 range to the Spurs. Not likely.
Best case for the Toronto pick is them barely squeaking into the playoffs and having to convey a pick around #17. Good chance this happens if they are in the play-in and make it into the bracket.
Best case for the Spurs pick, of course, is winning the lottery and picking #1. There's a decent chance of jumping into the top 4 (37.2% chance if the season ended today) and right now the Spurs' chances of picking #1 are 9%.

Worst-case scenario:

Boston falls into the lotto and gets a top-four pick
Toronto misses the playoff and keeps their pick while getting the Detroit second from SA
Los Angeles wins a lot of games and drops their pick into the 50s
SA drops into the middle of the round.

That would give the Spurs a meh first and bad second for this draft. Assuming the worst-case scenario continues for next year, Boston someone gets into the top-four again and Toronto gets into the top 13, meaning the Spurs traded White and a good pick away for three second-rounders. The Spurs would have something like 11 and 51 in 2022 and 11, 41, 43 and 44 in 2023

(Technically, from a pure-drafting PoV, the worst-case scenario would be the Spurs getting into the top-five next year. That would see them trading their second to Indy for the privilege of giving them a TE for McDermott, but obviously if the Spurs managed to be that good in 2023, we really shouldn't be bitching about their picks -- even though I totally still would be.)

[R. DeMurre]

538 Raptor gives the Raptors, lol, a 85% chance to make the playoffs. ELO gives them a 92% chance. The Nets and Cs got better today, but the Bulls are likely going to fall more. I don't think there's even a 1/4 chance they miss the playoffs. I'd be a bit worried about the Hornets but thats it.

The next 10 games for the Nets include 5 on the road vs Miami, New York, Washington, Toronto, & Boston. If Durant isn't back yet, the Nets will be led by Kyrie + (maybe) a rusty Ben Simmons. Their next 5 home games are against Sacramento, Washington, Boston, Toronto, & Miami. If Durant isn't back yet, they'll also be without Kyrie, and that would be a pretty weak team. If they have a poor showing in those 10, that only leaves 18 more games for them to make up ground. Should be interesting...

[slick'81]

Really wish spurs could of held onto that det 2rp

[R. DeMurre]

Have to say, it really says something about Pop's rotations that Toronto was willing to give up a FRP for Thad with the idea that he'd improve their playoff chances, while also immediately waiving Eubanks. In San Antonio, Eubanks got 595 minutes in 49 games compared to Thad's 370 minutes in 26 games. In a different scenario, Thad could've been useful.

[Chinook]

It's not a good look, but Eubanks has a good chance to be claimed by any team with the cap or TE and an open roster spot. He's a decent player. Thad was better and should have played, but I also think Toronto should have kept Drew if they're really that keen on having a center.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The worst case scenario for the Toronto pick would be if they don't make the playoffs this season and next and it turns into 2 second rounders. It'd basically be Detroit's pick ( 31, maybe 32 ) for two picks likely around 31-44. It's worth the gamble however you look at it, especially since the Spurs already have 2 first round picks in 2022, assuming Boston's don't go top 4, which is highly unlikely ( and if that happens it increases Toronto's chances to make the playoffs and convey the other pick anyway).

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyEight current predictions, which includes deadline trades:

5th/6th/7th: Kings, Pacers, Spurs.
18th/19th: Bulls, Raptors
23rd: Celtics

[exstatic]

FiveThirtyEight current predictions, which includes deadline trades:

5th/6th/7th: Kings, Pacers, Spurs.
18th/19th: Bulls, Raptors
23rd: Celtics

That’s near ideal, except for the Cs. Spots 5-7 give us an excellent chance to jump into the top 4.

[Chinook]

The worst case scenario for the Toronto pick would be if they don't make the playoffs this season and next and it turns into 2 second rounders. It'd basically be Detroit's pick ( 31, maybe 32 ) for two picks likely around 31-44. It's worth the gamble however you look at it, especially since the Spurs already have 2 first round picks in 2022, assuming Boston's don't go top 4, which is highly unlikely ( and if that happens it increases Toronto's chances to make the playoffs and convey the other pick anyway).

As far as I can tell, in the worst-case scenario, Toronto would get 31 in 2022 for 44 (since they can also protect their pick by getting 14 and jumping into the top four) in 2023 and an indeterminant but presumably bad second-rounder in 2025. They don't just have two good seconds in 2023 to give to the Spurs. So in the worst-case scenario, the Spurs traded Young, Eubanks and 31 to defer a year and move back 10 or so spots in order to pick up a late-second. That's bad. You can sell me much more easily on giving up the Lakers pick in the event of the pick not conveying, because 42 in 2022 for 43/44 in 2023 and some random late pick is decent downside. There's a decent chance that the Spurs end up trading away the LAL pick for something like that anyway. Losing it outright wouldn't be a great harm.

I think if we assume the likely events happen, the trade is okay -- not great, but if it's the only alternative to Young being bought out, it's not bad. I wish, though, that Wright had been able negotiate less downside, either in the way I suggested above or by at least making the 2022 first top-10 or top-12 protected to eliminate most of the possibility of the Raptors tanking a play-in game to secure their pick while pocketing a great second for the trouble.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

As far as I can tell, in the worst-case scenario, Toronto would get 31 in 2022 for 44 (since they can also protect their pick by getting 14 and jumping into the top four) in 2023 and an indeterminant but presumably bad second-rounder in 2025. They don't just have two good seconds in 2023 to give to the Spurs. So in the worst-case scenario, the Spurs traded Young, Eubanks and 31 to defer a year and move back 10 or so spots in order to pick up a late-second. That's bad. You can sell me much more easily on giving up the Lakers pick in the event of the pick not conveying, because 42 in 2022 for 43/44 in 2023 and some random late pick is decent downside. There's a decent chance that the Spurs end up trading away the LAL pick for something like that anyway. Losing it outright wouldn't be a great harm.

I think if we assume the likely events happen, the trade is okay -- not great, but if it's the only alternative to Young being bought out, it's not bad. I wish, though, that Wright had been able negotiate less downside, either in the way I suggested above or by at least making the 2022 first top-10 or top-12 protected to eliminate most of the possibility of the Raptors tanking a play-in game to secure their pick while pocketing a great second for the trouble.

Top 12 would have been great and it seems the Spurs were negotiating in this very direction since the 2023 pick is top 13 protected but it is what it is.It’s a good gamble especially if the alternative was a Prince and a second kind of a deal. Or a buyout.

[talkspurs]

I may be one of the few but I am not big ont these trades. I think I like white trade more then this one. I also heard about us talking to Charlotte about kai and washington for Poeltl. We wanted a Pick and they did not want to. Would have rather done the pick trade there then here.

Sa is haveing to pay more for a player. Tor got a player they wanted are got some monetary savings. and only lost a little on the draft. 1st also come with guaranteed money as 2nds dont. beleive I have seen before where people will trade a lower first for higher 2nd straight up because of the guaranteed money. yep toronto won this pick.


I also wish people would stop saying we got a first for thad. We got a first for thad Det2nd which is almost a 1st and us paying for their player.

[Joseph Kony]

:lol complaining over moving up 10 draft spots for an expiring player that didnt play at all

1st rounders are more valuable than 2nds, period. Spurs can use two of their 1sts as trade bait which is much more enticing than any 2nd rounder no matter where the pick is. that Charlotte deal was a poor return for Poeltl who is superior to White, and White fetched a better return on his own. Wright made the (w)right call

[exstatic]

We got a pick swap for Thad as a short term rental. The other alternative was to buy him out. CLEAR win.

Just because you seem to be having trouble visualizing this

A. Buy out Thad
B. Buy out Dragic, and move up in the draft.

[Chinook]

I think you can easily argue that this deal was better than Thad/Eubanks for Saric/Smith/first, considering that the Raptors will probably convey a decent pick now rather than a future pick and the Spurs have more cap space to use to potentially get more assets. However, as I have mentioned, it's not without risk. I totally understand being apprehensive of the deal. I'm pleased the Spurs were willing to use their salary space for assets, even if they ultimately ended up getting cash to cover the expenses. Wright continues to be good at getting value around the margins, with the sole exceptions being the Chriss and McDermott trades. It'll be interesting to see how he fares in bigger deals. The Leonard and DeRozan trades probably even out to be meh, and the White trade is undetermined.

[John B]

We got a pick swap for Thad as a short term rental. The other alternative was to buy him out. CLEAR win.

Just because you seem to be having trouble visualizing this

A. Buy out Thad
B. Buy out Dragic, and move up in the draft.

Last night’s emotional win might make the 2nd half of B harder to realize. I think we lost a lot of games from Covid. But I think we got better with our new lineup. The only thing is taking Lonnie’s minutes and giving it to Jefferson or Langford if they’re more capable and not shy to hurl that ball. I know that Pop sometimes throw the towel towards 3rd quarter. But when he sees the lineup clicking, and I have a felling it will be much better, Pop wouldn’t be able to help himself Coach them to W. As you said, being at 4 wouldn’t be that much advantageous than 5-7.

[wildbill2u]

So many moving pieces. I love watching all you trade experts try to figure out all the options. I'm not kidding. I wouldn't have the patience to do it. Whatever the result, these trades have jumped up the excitement level for the rest of the year among all the trade experts here and that's a plus over previous years where the Spurs mostly stayed pat at trading deadlines.

Should be a lot of fun the rest of the way just watching how the new players will do and how the other teams fortunes will decide how these trades will work out. Thanks guys for keeping us lazy fans posted on the possibilities going forward.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[Mr. Body]

Yeah, getting ~10 spots in the draft for nothing is great. I mean, the player(s) they want are literally much more likely to be there.

[Leetonidas]

Supposedly Dragic buyout was agreed to. Anyone see any numbers yet

[CGD]

^ good to hear. Always curious how those buyouts go and how much is ever given back.

You can see the Spurs wanting the difference between what they sent out and had to take back (~$5M), and you can see the player saying 'nah' since the most I can get from a new team I'd actually go to and still make my original salary is X (which is likely less than ~$5M). But in practice I wonder if what the player ever gives back is the equivalent of the minimum salary (~1.5M) in a given year.

[MultiTroll]

If Dragic is purportedly wanted by several teams, why the buyout?
Or do they only want him for vet min?

[Leetonidas]

If Dragic is purportedly wanted by several teams, why the buyout?
Or do they only want him for vet min?

18 million salary this season and probably being stingy on taking less for a buyout. Most of the contenders looking at him wouldn't trade for his price tag given his age but will gladly take him as a buyout guy on a min deal

[CGD]

18 million salary this season and probably being stingy on taking less for a buyout. Most of the contenders looking at him wouldn't trade for his price tag given his age but will gladly take him as a buyout guy on a min deal

I wouldn’t take less either unless I knew I was going to recoup it in short order, lol

[MultiTroll]

18 million salary this season and probably being stingy on taking less for a buyout. Most of the contenders looking at him wouldn't trade for his price tag given his age but will gladly take him as a buyout guy on a min deal
So, some sort of Spurs pay half deal?
Could they get a 2029 72nd round draft pick?

[KingKev]

^ good to hear. Always curious how those buyouts go and how much is ever given back.

You can see the Spurs wanting the difference between what they sent out and had to take back (~$5M), and you can see the player saying 'nah' since the most I can get from a new team I'd actually go to and still make my original salary is X (which is likely less than ~$5M). But in practice I wonder if what the player ever gives back is the equivalent of the minimum salary (~1.5M) in a given year.

It’s closer to 40% of 5mm the Spurs took back.

[exstatic]

I wouldn’t take less either unless I knew I was going to recoup it in short order, lol

You would if you wanted to be in the playoffs and not sitting on the end of a lottery team’s bench. The Spurs don’t have to waive him, he has to convince them to waive him, and that costs $$.

[CGD]

You would if you wanted to be in the playoffs and not sitting on the end of a lottery team’s bench. The Spurs don’t have to waive him, he has to convince them to waive him, and that costs $$.

Im sure he’ll get both, Playoffs and effectively his whole paycheck once he signs with the new team. At 35 years old not sure he’s gonna get THAT much of a boost for a next deal from playing spot minutes on a contender, but I suppose that could be part of the calculation

[bluebellmaniac]

Im sure he’ll get both, Playoffs and effectively his whole paycheck once he signs with the new team. At 35 years old not sure he’s gonna get THAT much of a boost for a next deal from playing spot minutes on a contender, but I suppose that could be part of the calculation

There are 24 games left which means he's owed about $5.7M still (not sure if that is how it's paid out, but let's go with it). Does a team that wants him have that much room in exceptions, etc to sign him? And that is the # from which we'd want a discount off of. Also, the amount paid by the team he signs with is deducted from what the buyout team owes him. So unless the new team is willing to pay the full $5.7M, he'll have to take a discount on the buyout/signing with the new team.

[Chinook]

Dragic only gave back the prorated min, according to Smitty. The Spurs obviously didn't negotiate very hard. That's fine. They didn't need to save the money. Now they can look to lock in a guy for a roster spot or get an international player next month. They don't really have any needs unless Satoransky sucks too much to even be depth behind Jones. I'd look for bigger forwards