The Goran Dragic cancelled Air bnb

[MultiTroll]

Could someone draw me a picture as to why if he was purportedly wanted by many contenders we let him go for nothing.

Go beyond because they can now pay him minimal.

Why could he not have been traded for ___? and or the acquiring team having to pay 70% of his salary and give us a draft pick.

[Chinook]

... If he had trade value, Toronto would not have had to pay for Thad. Dragic is a capable player who was making too much and has lost multiple steps. In the right situation he can help, but like basically all buyout guys, he's not likely to swing anything.

I don't think it's reasonable to get mad at PATFO for moving on from him. A supposedly better GM in Ujuri wasn't able to trade him for positive value either.

[MultiTroll]

... If he had trade value, Toronto would not have had to pay for Thad. Dragic is a capable player who was making too much and has lost multiple steps. In the right situation he can help, but like basically all buyout guys, he's not likely to swing anything.
Talk, granted just media talk of Dragic starting and/or playing a significant amount of minutes in games where Anti Vaxxer Kyrie is out.
How is that worth zippo from the Nets?
Handing them Softridge last year was definitely a minor boost. As was Detroits buy out of punk ass Blake Griffin.

Just don't get how these teams get handed this for nothing.
A draft pick? Make them pay SOME portion of the salary?

[JeffDuncan]

Could someone draw me a picture …


You do not really want that, because it would be a picture of you drooling.

The Spurs moved out two unwanted players and got an FRP. Stop whining.

Nobody wanted him in trade, at that contract price, unless they could achieve similar results. And the Spurs did not want to give up an FRP in connection with moving him. Would you?

So instead of buying out Thad, the Spurs gained an FRP and bought out Dragic. And moved Eubanks as well. What is your complaint, again? That it’s all too complicated?

[MultiTroll]

Your condescending attempt is really not clear.
And who is whining? Strawman.
Asking a question is whining? FOH.

Why can't a team pay partial Dragics salary if they wanted him. Why does it have to be ALL or Nothing. Salary match?
Spare the high horse nonsense. :lol

[JeffDuncan]

Your condescending attempt is really not clear. …


I have to object, that was not merely an attempt, I accomplished actual condescension. But okay, your question is fair enough.

Dragic’s 19M contract had to be cleared out of the way. Is the basic answer. I don’t know how much remained on that, but at this point in the season perhaps 1/3 of it, or a little less, maybe 6M, to fulfill that contract. Just using guesstimates and simple arithmetic, call it 6M, for purposes of discussion.

Compare to a buyout of Thad, a contract of 14M. Same simple guesstimate, 1/3 of that, 4.7M.

So it’s - very roughly - a difference of maybe 2M (?) between buying out Thad versus Dragic, at this point of the season. Not very much in terms of NBA player salaries.

Mentioning that on the way by.

From the point of view of another team, if Dragic is bought out, that 6M goes away, and they can sign him for the vet minimum, rest-of-season. The NBA reimburses teams that sign vets to minimums, so the net to the team is 1.7M, now, per season. The rest-of-season is prorated, so take 1/3 of that, by the same rough guesstimate as above, call it 600k.

Many teams would pay Dragic 600k, for the rest of the year, when they wouldn’t pay him 6M. Is the idea, even if these numbers are not precise at all.

So when you see the widespread interest in Dragic, that’s at 600k, not 6M.

If the Spurs had tried to trade Dragic, it could only have been at the 6M figure, under his preexisting contract, since that was what the Spurs held. Hard to find takers, there, who would give the Spurs 6M in value back for him.

About the trade with the Raps, as long as we’re here…

The Spurs moved Thad, who would have cost 4.7M (?) to buy out, if he demanded full value, and they opened that roster spot.

They moved Eubanks, opening that roster spot, and removing that 600k (?) of remaining salary.

In gaining the Rap’s pick, and losing the Piston’s pick, they moved up in the draft by 10 spots (?). The actual change is unknown at this time, but the 1st rd pick has got to be higher than the 2nd.

They got Dragic, intending a buyout at 6M (?).

I don’t have the actual numbers. But at the bottom line, it appears the net result is, the Spurs paid only 1 or 2M for whatever distance they’ll move up in the draft. Even if they ultimately move up only five spots it ought to be worth that.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Well simple - he only has value as a buyout player for the min. His value on his $19 mil contract was clearly on display at the trade deadline - Thad, Drew and that pickswap sort of thing.

[MultiTroll]

Many teams would pay Dragic 600k, for the rest of the year, when they wouldn’t pay him 6M. Is the idea, even if these numbers are not precise at all.

So when you see the widespread interest in Dragic, that’s at 600k, not 6M.

If the Spurs had tried to trade Dragic, it could only have been at the 6M figure, under his preexisting contract, since that was what the Spurs held. Hard to find takers, there, who would give the Spurs 6M in value back for him.
Of course the buying teams would rather have him at 600K then 6M.
Thought i've seen trades where the selling team pays a portion of the players salary.
That's what I'm asking is it ALL or None? Either player has to be traded for full remaining salary or bought out?
Like lets say Joe Softridge had 10 million remaining. Joe isn't worth 10 million. Could a team say we'll trade you Joe for 4 million, while continue to pay his remaining 6.
I see with the Dragic buyout the bottom line gap is just not big enough to bother with.
My point is since purportedly 4 teams were interested (albeit at 600K), wasn't there enough interest to consider a trade, asking for something in return, even if its a 2032 47th round draft pick?

That the Spurs moved with Toronto etc, bravo. 1st time in years some sense has been made from PATFO.

[baseline bum]

What a ridiculous thread. No the Spurs did not want to take ~$20 million of salary back just to get something in exchange for Dragic when that something would have been shitty given how piss poor Dragic had been this season before leaving the Raptors. They weren't getting a first round pick for Dragic so taking $20 million worth of non-expiring crap for a late second from a contender would have been idiotic. And keeping him does nothing since he's an expiring contract so they couldn't have traded him anyways after the season ended.

[MultiTroll]

^ Numb Nutts 13 of his 19 mil salary had already been paid by Toronto.
Try to keep up.

[baseline bum]

^ Numb Nutts 13 of his 19 mil salary had already been paid by Toronto.
Try to keep up.

Learn the fucking CBA dumbass, Spurs would have been taking back something in the range of $20 million in 2021-22 salary but it would have been longterm salary most likely while Dragic is an expiring.

[MultiTroll]

^ Had 6 million left on his expiring.

[Leetonidas]

Nobody wanted to pay him that. There's a reason that Toronto had to cough up a pick to get rid of him

[baseline bum]

^ Had 6 million left on his expiring.

And would count as almost $20 million for trade purposes JFC

[KingKev]

This guy could have been playing 20-30 min a game as the 6th man for an up and coming team playoff team in TO. Probably would have helped his value come free agency too. Instead he will be deep on a guard heavy Nets bench, a team who will still probably flame out. I thought Bucks would have been a better move for him if he wanted to contribute to a ring.

Either way there was no additional move for the Spurs to make with him. Despite reports around the deadline NO one was going to pay up for him, similar to Thad. The Spurs and the Daps really helped each other out. Thankfully Thad wasn’t a dck and really just wanted to play.

[Mr. Body]

Could someone draw me a picture as to why if he was purportedly wanted by many contenders we let him go for nothing.

Go beyond because they can now pay him minimal.

Why could he not have been traded for ___? and or the acquiring team having to pay 70% of his salary and give us a draft pick.

Because no one could pay for his salary. He had to be cut/bought out and then teams could afford him.

[cd98]

Poor Mavs thought he would sign with them because of Luka. Do we think Luka will be a Mav in 3 years?

[Mr. Body]

Poor Mavs thought he would sign with them because of Luka. Do we think Luka will be a Mav in 3 years?

Even if it's only for this year, who wants to play for the Mavs? They're going nowhere.

[TimDunkem]

How many times does this need to be explained? Do we REALLY need to draw a picture??

[Atl Spur]

Some of you boys are in playoff form!!!! Lol

[GAustex]

Could not believe Goren destroyed SA in that playoff series

[Leetonidas]

This guy could have been playing 20-30 min a game as the 6th man for an up and coming team playoff team in TO. Probably would have helped his value come free agency too. Instead he will be deep on a guard heavy Nets bench, a team who will still probably flame out. I thought Bucks would have been a better move for him if he wanted to contribute to a ring.

Either way there was no additional move for the Spurs to make with him. Despite reports around the deadline NO one was going to pay up for him, similar to Thad. The Spurs and the Daps really helped each other out. Thankfully Thad wasn’t a dck and really just wanted to play.

Supposedly he showed up before the season in Toronto and after a few practices they figured he didn't fit what they wanted to do on D and told him to keep his ass home. At least that's what I've heard from raps fans

[JeffDuncan]

…
Thought i've seen trades where the selling team pays a portion of the players salary.


Yes you definitely have. In the deal where the Warriors “traded” Marquese Chriss to the Spurs, the Warriors included enough cash to pay what Chriss was owed, and a little more, 100k more, I think. The Warriors paid all of Chriss’s salary, and then some. The Warriors wanted Chriss off their books, and they paid the Spurs to do them that favor. I put “traded” in quotes because it was really a favor.

So yes, you are certainly right, it’s possible for the seller to pay some (or even all) of the salary for the player they’re trading away.

If the Spurs had kept digging, they could possibly have found a team to take Dragic, in a deal where the Spurs included, say, 4M in cash to pay him, and with the buying team to pay him the other 2M (or whatever the actual numbers are.) As far as paying him goes, that could have worked, and the Spurs could possibly have saved a couple M. Maybe, could be.

But the complication is, there are salary cap considerations when contracts are traded, and there can sometimes be waiting periods, and all that stuff. If the Spurs had tried to trade the Dragic contract, they would have run into all the salary cap requirements (and so would the other team.)

Paying a guy is simple enough, just give him the money. The salary cap area, tho, can be a total b@tch.

[KingKev]

Supposedly he showed up before the season in Toronto and after a few practices they figured he didn't fit what they wanted to do on D and told him to keep his ass home. At least that's what I've heard from raps fans

I live between Vancouver and TO so I’m pretty aware of the situation. He was a prick when the trade was announced and basically said he didn’t want to be in Toronto. Showed up with a bad attitude and Nick Nurse and basically staff said BYE. Had he came in with a better attitude he probably would have played more while knowing the Raps were exploring options that could benefit both parties.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I have to object, that was not merely an attempt, I accomplished actual condescension. But okay, your question is fair enough.

Dragic’s 19M contract had to be cleared out of the way. Is the basic answer. I don’t know how much remained on that, but at this point in the season perhaps 1/3 of it, or a little less, maybe 6M, to fulfill that contract. Just using guesstimates and simple arithmetic, call it 6M, for purposes of discussion.

Compare to a buyout of Thad, a contract of 14M. Same simple guesstimate, 1/3 of that, 4.7M.

So it’s - very roughly - a difference of maybe 2M (?) between buying out Thad versus Dragic, at this point of the season. Not very much in terms of NBA player salaries.

Mentioning that on the way by.

From the point of view of another team, if Dragic is bought out, that 6M goes away, and they can sign him for the vet minimum, rest-of-season. The NBA reimburses teams that sign vets to minimums, so the net to the team is 1.7M, now, per season. The rest-of-season is prorated, so take 1/3 of that, by the same rough guesstimate as above, call it 600k.

Many teams would pay Dragic 600k, for the rest of the year, when they wouldn’t pay him 6M. Is the idea, even if these numbers are not precise at all.

So when you see the widespread interest in Dragic, that’s at 600k, not 6M.

If the Spurs had tried to trade Dragic, it could only have been at the 6M figure, under his preexisting contract, since that was what the Spurs held. Hard to find takers, there, who would give the Spurs 6M in value back for him.

About the trade with the Raps, as long as we’re here…

The Spurs moved Thad, who would have cost 4.7M (?) to buy out, if he demanded full value, and they opened that roster spot.

They moved Eubanks, opening that roster spot, and removing that 600k (?) of remaining salary.

In gaining the Rap’s pick, and losing the Piston’s pick, they moved up in the draft by 10 spots (?). The actual change is unknown at this time, but the 1st rd pick has got to be higher than the 2nd.

They got Dragic, intending a buyout at 6M (?).

I don’t have the actual numbers. But at the bottom line, it appears the net result is, the Spurs paid only 1 or 2M for whatever distance they’ll move up in the draft. Even if they ultimately move up only five spots it ought to be worth that.

You'll really confuse folks like Multi with that simple, thorough, thoughtful answer. You need to speak in circular nonsensical riddles in order to fit in here. You must keep up Jeff. I would have expected more....or maybe it's less, from you.

[timtonymanu]

Should have never traded him for Malik Hairston

[MannyIsGod]

I have to object, that was not merely an attempt, I accomplished actual condescension. But okay, your question is fair enough.


Legit LOLed.


Has it been reported what the buyout terms were? I wonder how much the Spurs got him to give back.

[KingKev]

Legit LOLed.


Has it been reported what the buyout terms were? I wonder how much the Spurs got him to give back.

Yes it has. He gave back virtually nothing.

[SpurSpike]

Legit LOLed.


Has it been reported what the buyout terms were? I wonder how much the Spurs got him to give back.

Dragic gave up $819,835 in his buyout with the Spurs.

[gambit1990]

i wonder if the spurs had any intention of keeping him for a playoff push.

[K...]

i wonder if the spurs had any intention of keeping him for a playoff push.

almost assuredly they did not

[CGD]

Dragic gave up $819,835 in his buyout with the Spurs.

So less than the vet minimum? Or does that not factor pro ration based on where we are in the season?

[KingKev]

So less than the vet minimum? Or does that not factor pro ration based on where we are in the season?

He will be even with his pro-rata vet min deal in BK. Basically made his 19.5mm for the year or put otherwise he didn’t take sh!t off the table.

[MultiTroll]

Yes you definitely have. In the deal where the Warriors “traded” Marquese Chriss to the Spurs, the Warriors included enough cash to pay what Chriss was owed, and a little more, 100k more, I think. The Warriors paid all of Chriss’s salary, and then some. The Warriors wanted Chriss off their books, and they paid the Spurs to do them that favor. I put “traded” in quotes because it was really a favor.

So yes, you are certainly right, it’s possible for the seller to pay some (or even all) of the salary for the player they’re trading away.

If the Spurs had kept digging, they could possibly have found a team to take Dragic, in a deal where the Spurs included, say, 4M in cash to pay him, and with the buying team to pay him the other 2M (or whatever the actual numbers are.) As far as paying him goes, that could have worked, and the Spurs could possibly have saved a couple M. Maybe, could be.

But the complication is, there are salary cap considerations when contracts are traded, and there can sometimes be waiting periods, and all that stuff. If the Spurs had tried to trade the Dragic contract, they would have run into all the salary cap requirements (and so would the other team.)

Paying a guy is simple enough, just give him the money. The salary cap area, tho, can be a total b@tch.
This additional info certainly helps clear the questions in OP.
Thank you.

[MultiTroll]

^ Had 6 million left on his expiring.


And would count as almost $20 million for trade purposes JFC
Sounds like highly confusing lawyer logic.
That the players signed off on.

[MultiTroll]

You'll really confuse folks like Multi with that simple, thorough, thoughtful answer. You need to speak in circular nonsensical riddles in order to fit in here. You must keep up Jeff. I would have expected more....or maybe it's less, from you.
Sounds like Tricycle is hitting on you Jeff.
If you two have a date, post it reality TV style.

Lot of bunched up pantaloons on this thread. :lol

[K...]

Sounds like Tricycle is hitting on you Jeff.
If you two have a date, post it reality TV style.

Lot of bunched up pantaloons on this thread. :lol

one thing i think you missed is that the trade deadline is an actual deadline, which means the only options are buyout or pay salary were available within a few hours after the trade.

[MultiTroll]

one thing i think you missed is that the trade deadline is an actual deadline, which means the only options are buyout or pay salary were available within a few hours after the trade.
Solid contribution.
Thank you.

[JeffDuncan]

This additional info certainly helps clear the questions in OP.
Thank you.


You are welcome, sir.

Another thought occurred to me, the timing. This was all happening at the trade deadline. There was that big hubbub of trade activity (in which the Spurs were heavily involved, for once.)

After all that, how much did teams have left to trade for the Dragic contract? Anything? Teams that wanted to make trades, and that had resources to trade, had probably already committed to other trades, and used those resources. So if/when the Spurs called other teams about Dragic, they might have found the cupboard was bare, as far as anything they could accept.

[baseline bum]

If the Spurs had tried to trade Dragic, it could only have been at the 6M figure, under his preexisting contract, since that was what the Spurs held. Hard to find takers, there, who would give the Spurs 6M in value back for him.


It's worse. His salary cap figure at $19 million would have meant the Spurs would have to take a similar amount of salary back. So unless you're talking expirings, you're talking taking ~$20 million of salary for next year and perhaps beyond. And you're not getting $20 million worth of good players for the corpse of Dragic's career. You'd be getting $20 million of crap with maybe a second round pick thrown in as sweetener. No one was going to give a first for Dragic. So anyone bitching about buying Dragic out has to explain why they'd want to pay $20 million for a late second round pick from a contender.

[JeffDuncan]

It's worse. His salary cap figure at $19 million would have meant the Spurs would have to take a similar amount of salary back. …


Yes, when any team takes a contract they take the whole contract into their salary space for that season. This is a different thing from the amount the player is still owed. So you’re right about that. Trying to trade Dragic to another team, the Spurs would have been dealing with the entire 19M contract. I was just looking at what Dragic, himself, would be owed, because the salary cap stuff is goopy and nerdy, and I shy away from it. But, yeah.