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RandomGuy
03-03-2022, 09:16 AM
Make your call.

Splits
03-03-2022, 09:33 AM
Considering I prompted this thread, I'll register my prediction.


Pootler not suiciding, he'll be coup'd before end of year.

Thread
03-03-2022, 09:34 AM
Putin President.
Not Biden.

lefty
03-03-2022, 09:40 AM
It used to be

Putin President
Not Trump

Thread
03-03-2022, 09:41 AM
It used to be

Putin President
Not Trump

Putin President.
Not Biden.

RandomGuy
03-03-2022, 09:45 AM
Considering I prompted this thread, I'll register my prediction.

and I will stand by my bet, even though I tend to think less than a year is the most probable, i.e. late this year.

lefty
03-03-2022, 09:45 AM
Putin President.
Not Biden.
Not Trump either

RandomGuy
03-03-2022, 09:47 AM
[replying to thread]Not Trump either

Thread lost it about a year ago. He is not worth talking to, because he acts just like Cleese's character in the Argument Clinic sketch.

Interact with him at any length to see why I say that. May as well talk to a stump. :lol

Thread
03-03-2022, 09:53 AM
Thread lost it about a year ago. He is not worth talking to, because he acts just like Cleese's character in the Argument Clinic sketch.

Interact with him at any length to see why I say that. May as well talk to a stump. :lol

Please. You can't compete with me, so, you put me on Ignore. I begged you to take me off. You took me off. You can't compete with me again, so, I'm back on the Ignore. I ain't beggin' you again, RG. And I ain't ignoring you. I ignore no one, ever. It's my religion.

Thread
03-03-2022, 09:55 AM
Not Trump either

That's an easy one, always has been...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

lefty
03-03-2022, 11:04 AM
Thread lost it about a year ago. He is not worth talking to, because he acts just like Cleese's character in the Argument Clinic sketch.

Interact with him at any length to see why I say that. May as well talk to a stump. :lol

True true

hater
03-03-2022, 11:37 AM
As long as he wants.

I wanted him to retire a couple years ago. Tired of these old shitbags (biden, putin)

But idiot americans dont understand Putins replacement could be 10x worse.

One possible one is ma nig Shoigu.

Putin is mother theresa next to him :lmao

My guess is if Russia botches Ukraine and has to retreat. He should retire end of this year.

If Russia wins he has to stay on until his term ends.

pgardn
03-03-2022, 11:45 AM
As long as he wants.

I wanted him to retire a couple years ago. Tired of these old shitbags (biden, putin)

But idiot americans dont understand Putins replacement could be 10x worse.

One possible one is ma nig Shoigu.

Putin is mother theresa next to him :lmao

My guess is if Russia botches Ukraine and has to retreat. He should retire end of this year.

If Russia wins he has to stay on until his term ends.

oh his term.

Putin is president for life, your first sentence is correct as long as there is not terrific pain among Russian citizens and massive protests that cant be controlled.

baseline bum
03-03-2022, 11:48 AM
Thread lost it about a year ago. He is not worth talking to, because he acts just like Cleese's character in the Argument Clinic sketch.

Interact with him at any length to see why I say that. May as well talk to a stump. :lol

Cubby has been like that since 2009 or whenever he came here.

hater
03-03-2022, 11:50 AM
oh his term.

Putin is president for life, your first sentence is correct as long as there is not terrific pain among Russian citizens and massive protests that cant be controlled.

His term ends 2024. Yes he could be reelected. But Id think he could retire then if somehow peace breaks out (:lol)

If he can convince Russian people that this is WW2 level conflict, Russians would be able to take lots of pain (much more than Eurofags) lets remember Eurofags folded to Hitler immediately :lol. Russia resisted and los 30 million people on the other hand

The West is making that argument very easy for Putin :lol

pgardn
03-03-2022, 11:56 AM
His term ends 2024. Yes he could be reelected. But Id think he could retire then if somehow peace breaks out (:lol)

If he can convince Russian people that this is WW2 level conflict, Russians would be able to take lots of pain (much more than Eurofags) lets remember Eurofags folded to Hitler immediately :lol. Russia resisted and los 30 million people on the other hand

The West is making that argument very easy for Putin :lol

Elected....

What a of shit post per usual by hater.
He declared himself president for life. Their elections are for show. You think someone like Trump could EVER be elected in Russia?

fkn dupe.

hater
03-03-2022, 11:58 AM
Elected....

What a of shit post per usual by hater.
He declared himself president for life. Their elections are for show. You think someone like Trump could EVER be elected in Russia?

fkn dupe.

Fake news

pgardn
03-03-2022, 12:01 PM
His term ends 2024. Yes he could be reelected. But Id think he could retire then if somehow peace breaks out (:lol)

If he can convince Russian people that this is WW2 level conflict, Russians would be able to take lots of pain (much more than Eurofags) lets remember Eurofags folded to Hitler immediately :lol. Russia resisted and los 30 million people on the other hand

The West is making that argument very easy for Putin :lol

Folded... they got blitzed. They got overrun by one of the most efficient armies ever seen by a brand new tactics.
And those Eurofags held on until the US entered. Meanwhile Stalin made allies with Hitter and Hitler allowed Stalin to have Finland which he got a lot of Russian troops killed in a bungled operation. Then Hitler turned on him when Hitler got stalled in the West at Great Britain.

You dont know what the fk went on in WWII.

pgardn
03-03-2022, 12:02 PM
Fake news

This means so much coming from the little minion who looks for tweets to appease his need for lying.

hater
03-03-2022, 12:03 PM
This means so much coming from the little minion who looks for tweets to appease his need for lying.

You cant have a decent conversation without attacking someone.

Ok urine. Have a good day.

pgardn
03-03-2022, 12:21 PM
You cant have a decent conversation without attacking someone.

Ok urine. Have a good day.

It was not decent.
Its one person purposely trying to lie, you.

baseline bum
03-03-2022, 01:51 PM
His term ends 2024. Yes he could be reelected.

:lmao

Thread
03-03-2022, 01:53 PM
Cubby has been like that since 2009 or whenever he came here.

& yet you've never cast me down with the sodomites, bum. Sure, you had me at the top of the staircase leading down in there, but you never pushed me.

bum

koriwhat
03-03-2022, 03:11 PM
How about a "Who cares!"?

koriwhat
03-03-2022, 03:12 PM
It was not decent.
Its one person purposely trying to lie, you.

He ain't lying considering I just called out your blatant insults in another thread not even 20 seconds ago. :tu

Who's the liar now bro? :lol

SnakeBoy
03-03-2022, 03:28 PM
It doesn't matter how long Putin remains in power, his replacement will be more of the same or worse. The end of the American led globalized world order has begun and we are moving back to the multipolar world of the past. You should accept this and plan accordingly.

ElNono
03-03-2022, 04:00 PM
Follow the money. He won't retire, he'll be "retired" if you know what I mean. It's all contingent on oligarchs being able to dodge some of the sanctions or not, IMO.

Winehole23
03-03-2022, 04:03 PM
It doesn't matter how long Putin remains in power, his replacement will be more of the same or worse. The end of the American led globalized world order has begun and we are moving back to the multipolar world of the past. You should accept this and plan accordingly.The beginning of the end of "unipolarity" was clear as early as invasion of Iraq in 2003, tbh. It was always more aspirational than actual.

spurraider21
03-03-2022, 04:17 PM
It doesn't matter how long Putin remains in power, his replacement will be more of the same or worse. The end of the American led globalized world order has begun and we are moving back to the multipolar world of the past. You should accept this and plan accordingly.
might have been heading that way but russia shot itself in the foot. i dont think europe has ever been this united

spurraider21
03-03-2022, 04:19 PM
russians kicking putin out is their only real off-ramp from this conflict, other than complete victory

Winehole23
03-03-2022, 04:27 PM
might have been heading that way but russia shot itself in the foot. i dont think europe has ever been this unitedOtoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present circumstances will cause them to reverse course.

Btw, are there any historical examples of US sanctions regimes that worked? Either for regime change or to achieve immediate political ends? None immediately come to mind for me.

Winehole23
03-03-2022, 04:34 PM
russians kicking putin out is their only real off-ramp from this conflict, other than complete victorya negotiated settlement with Ukraine seems not impossible to me.

short of that, what happened to Aleppo and Grozny seems likely to happen to Kyiv. I expect Putin to intensify the destruction and slaughter to force concessions of neutrality and/or land. I hope the oligarchs kick him out of bed, but I sure wouldn't count on it.

Thread
03-03-2022, 04:37 PM
Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present circumstances will cause them to reverse course.

Btw, are there any historical examples of US sanctions regimes that worked? Either for regime change or to achieve immediate political ends? None immediately come to mind for me.

It was a severe knee jerk by Biden because he was humiliated by Putin in broad daylight, and could either get his nuclear codes at hand, or, stipulate to Putin's command to stand aside and don't intervene. He chose the latter and going hog wild with the sanctions.

Do you think that State run CNN/FOX would ask him in said broad daylight whether he's still buying oil from Putin? Nooooooooo, that question is absolutely forbidden to be asked by a living soul, left or right media. Sure the politicians can bandy it about, and MSM will berate Biden about his Cat holism and abortion, but no way they ask him about buying oil from Putin still.

hater
03-03-2022, 04:39 PM
Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present circumstances will cause them to reverse course.

Btw, are there any historical examples of US sanctions regimes that worked? Either for regime change or to achieve immediate political ends? None immediately come to mind for me.

India and Russia already working on exchange in RUPEES :lmao

Thread
03-03-2022, 04:40 PM
a negotiated settlement with Ukraine seems not impossible to me.

short of that, what happened to Aleppo and Grozny seems likely to happen to Kyiv. I expect Putin to intensify the destruction and slaughter to force concessions of neutrality and/or land. I hope the oligarchs kick him out of bed, but I sure wouldn't count on it.

Because Putin baited Z and his minions/civilians into lifting up arms & cocktails.

"Got 'em, Lav! No-mercy-now."

"Yah!"

SnakeBoy
03-03-2022, 04:47 PM
might have been heading that way but russia shot itself in the foot. i dont think europe has ever been this united

Once Ukraine has fallen the tweets will stop but the economic effects on the eurofags won't. In time they will direct their anger towards each other as they have throughout history. If in this moment of emotion, they actually admit shitholes like Georgia and Moldova into the EU, it will only hasten the demise of the EU.

spurraider21
03-03-2022, 04:47 PM
Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present circumstances will cause them to reverse course.

Btw, are there any historical examples of US sanctions regimes that worked? Either for regime change or to achieve immediate political ends? None immediately come to mind for me.
this is more than the US though

spurraider21
03-03-2022, 04:48 PM
Once Ukraine has fallen the tweets will stop but the economic effects on the eurofags won't. In time they will direct their anger towards each other as they have throughout history. If in this moment of emotion, they actually admit shitholes like Georgia and Moldova into the EU, it will only hasten the demise of the EU.
i think this will potentially push other countries into NATO, too. being neutral isnt enough. russia will keep trying to expand its empire until it runs up against nato borders

ElNono
03-03-2022, 04:57 PM
Once Ukraine has fallen the tweets will stop but the economic effects on the eurofags won't. In time they will direct their anger towards each other as they have throughout history. If in this moment of emotion, they actually admit shitholes like Georgia and Moldova into the EU, it will only hasten the demise of the EU.

If anything, Ukrainians preferring to die than becoming shithole Russian citizens only strengthen the desire of previously neutral countries of becoming NATO members (ie: Finland, Sweden). Especially Finland, who borders Russia.

I guess we must thank the Ruskies for NATO's best advertising ever :lol

spurraider21
03-03-2022, 04:57 PM
If anything, Ukrainians preferring to die than becoming shithole Russian citizens only strengthen the desire of previously neutral countries of becoming NATO members (ie: Finland, Sweden). Especially Finland, who borders Russia.

I guess we must thank the Ruskies for NATO's best advertising ever :lol
yep

pgardn
03-03-2022, 05:20 PM
India and Russia already working on exchange in RUPEES :lmao

Yes.
The economic powers of the world will find their way...???
What kind of economic power does India have? Russia has the economy of Spain. Wow...

The reason both are players is they are nuclear powers and huge; and you are cheering miniscule financial agreements.

pgardn
03-03-2022, 05:21 PM
If anything, Ukrainians preferring to die than becoming shithole Russian citizens only strengthen the desire of previously neutral countries of becoming NATO members (ie: Finland, Sweden). Especially Finland, who borders Russia.

I guess we must thank the Ruskies for NATO's best advertising ever :lol

Daring Sweden to join NATO by Putin is just flat out stupid. Then starting shit with Finland so they will now consider it.
So horribly misplayed.

Thread
03-03-2022, 05:57 PM
Daring Sweden to join NATO by Putin is just flat out stupid. Then starting shit with Finland so they will now consider it.
So horribly misplayed.

He wins either way that's why he issued the dares at the top of his lungs.

SnakeBoy
03-03-2022, 06:00 PM
Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present circumstances will cause them to reverse course.

Btw, are there any historical examples of US sanctions regimes that worked? Either for regime change or to achieve immediate political ends? None immediately come to mind for me.

Now you're thinkin

Thread
03-03-2022, 06:23 PM
Now you're thinkin

...it was like pullin' teeth.

But he could either start thinkin', or, start bendin'.

He chose wisely.

BD24
03-03-2022, 07:33 PM
Hater ITT trying to pretend that Russia has actual elections :lol.

add it to the long list of shit he has been wrong about.

Thread
03-03-2022, 07:37 PM
Hater ITT trying to pretend that Russia has actual elections :lol.

add it to the long list of shit he has been wrong about.

Just as legit as ours, BD.

ElNono
03-03-2022, 08:54 PM
Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present circumstances will cause them to reverse course.

They would consider it if there would be another stable currency outside the USD or Euro. That's not the case in the real world, however, which is why Russia held about ~80% of their reserves in either Euros or USD.

What are they going to use, the Yuan, that gets manipulated every month? That works for China to keep their exports cheap, but it doesn't work for Russia.

koriwhat
03-03-2022, 09:02 PM
Hater ITT trying to pretend that Russia has actual elections :lol.

add it to the long list of shit he has been wrong about.

What have you pretended to have done and have held on to that lie now for yrs? :lmao :tu

add it to the long list of shit you have made up in order to garner more bitchass eFriends here on ST.

Winehole23
03-03-2022, 09:33 PM
this is more than the US thoughtrue, with a very pronounced effect. probably shortens the opportunity for Russia to maintain the present effort. I can see how it might deter them from a future one too, but it might not. Russia took two bites at the apple in Chechnya and succeeded the second time.

Winehole23
03-03-2022, 09:36 PM
They would consider it if there would be another stable currency outside the USD or Euro. That's not the case in the real world, however, which is why Russia held about ~80% of their reserves in either Euros or USD.

What are they going to use, the Yuan, that gets manipulated every month? That works for China to keep their exports cheap, but it doesn't work for Russia.I agree that no ready-made alternative to USD dominance exists yet, but the mere fact of political will/combinations to seek alternatives is noteworthy.

pgardn
03-03-2022, 09:54 PM
I agree that no ready-made alternative to USD dominance exists yet, but the mere fact of political will/combinations to seek alternatives is noteworthy.

The dollar and the Euro are backed by stability of democracies. It at least accepts transparency even though we have to wrench the faults out of our stock market and money managers etc.... Its stable because it has the ability to be criticized and fixed. We talk about the fed, we talk about timing and insider trading on WS. Where else do you get that? Our press is so vital to at least provide us material to even have a reason to be critically.

pgardn
03-03-2022, 09:56 PM
btw to winehole and no no.

It is true that democracies like Switzerland still have to be pried loose from their willingness to take blood money.
But at least we know what they have done and have the ability to do. Their banks are coming under more scrutiny with this war.

Winehole23
03-03-2022, 11:34 PM
btw to winehole and no no.

It is true that democracies like Switzerland still have to be pried loose from their willingness to take blood money.
But at least we know what they have done and have the ability to do. Their banks are coming under more scrutiny with this war.guessing you're referring to Credit Swisse asking investors to destroy records related to Russians currently under sanctions.

ElNono
03-04-2022, 12:35 AM
I agree that no ready-made alternative to USD dominance exists yet, but the mere fact of political will/combinations to seek alternatives is noteworthy.

The problem is that political will alone won't get it done. You might have some isolated nation to nation cases, but we live in a globalized world, where you do business with everybody everywhere. And if you cannot, you'll be isolated. North Korea is a good example.

As much as some people bitch about the Fed, it's actually one of the main reasons the US is special compared to other countries, where the economic stability is primarily derived from political stability.

SnakeBoy
03-04-2022, 01:15 AM
https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.328320657.6076/raf,750x1000,075,t,fafafa:ca443f4786.jpg

ElNono
03-04-2022, 01:51 AM
https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.328320657.6076/raf,750x1000,075,t,fafafa:ca443f4786.jpg

Talking about losers...

RandomGuy
03-04-2022, 08:43 AM
The dollar and the Euro are backed by stability of democracies. It at least accepts transparency even though we have to wrench the faults out of our stock market and money managers etc.... Its stable because it has the ability to be criticized and fixed. We talk about the fed, we talk about timing and insider trading on WS. Where else do you get that? Our press is so vital to at least provide us material to even have a reason to be critically.

Agreed on all points.

hater
03-04-2022, 09:23 AM
https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.328320657.6076/raf,750x1000,075,t,fafafa:ca443f4786.jpg

My man called it :tu

pgardn
03-04-2022, 10:58 AM
guessing you're referring to Credit Swisse asking investors to destroy records related to Russians currently under sanctions.

Its always something with Swiss banks. "Not gonna take sides, will take your money."

Winehole23
03-04-2022, 11:09 AM
The problem is that political will alone won't get it done. You might have some isolated nation to nation cases, but we live in a globalized world, where you do business with everybody everywhere. And if you cannot, you'll be isolated. North Korea is a good example.True, but it wouldn't get done absent that political will. One wonders how long "everyone" will remain quiescent to US/EU bullying once alternatives exist. If Russia, China, Iran and South Asia were to form an economic bloc that would be non-trivial.

pgardn
03-04-2022, 11:19 AM
True, but it wouldn't get done absent that political will. One wonders how long "everyone" will remain quiescent to US/EU bullying once alternatives exist. If Russia, China, Iran and South Asia were to form an economic bloc that would be non-trivial.

Alternatives will exist when the world actually trusts putting their own hard earned money in them. Look at the worlds leading currencies traded now and they are all under democratic governments that you can get info about. We can dig into the soundness of trust. It may not be to our liking but when the alternative is the Russian stock market or Chinese government bonds.... The dollar, the Euro, the Pound... when times get bad, these actually have meaning.

And that block would be non-trivial if it were trusted. There are certain governments in that group in which you cannot get information on and have no idea what has happened when your money is gone. People who invested in Russian associated assets knew they were taking a risk in that market. They knew what had happened before and what could happen.

Winehole23
03-04-2022, 11:48 AM
Alternatives will exist when the world actually trusts putting their own hard earned money in them. Look at the worlds leading currencies traded now and they are all under democratic governments that you can get info about. We can dig into the soundness of trust. It may not be to our liking but when the alternative is the Russian stock market or Chinese government bonds.... The dollar, the Euro, the Pound... when times get bad, these actually have meaning.

And that block would be non-trivial if it were trusted. There are certain governments in that group in which you cannot get information on and have no idea what has happened when your money is gone. People who invested in Russian associated assets knew they were taking a risk in that market. They knew what had happened before and what could happen.Trust arrives on foot and departs on horseback. The US would do well to keep this in mind.

I wonder if the size of this investment was compatible with ERISA standards

1499585220001304576

pgardn
03-04-2022, 11:59 AM
Trust arrives on foot and departs on horseback. The US would do well to keep this in mind.

I wonder if the size of this investment was compatible with ERISA standards

1499585220001304576

Absolutely.
But we know about this.
We know that states and localities and retirement funds can be raided unfairly and then have the ability to take legal recourse in many cases.
I also know of cases where states had to pay people back on state retirement funds.

when these types of incidents are reported and acted on honest money put into fund by honest people benefit.

RandomGuy
03-04-2022, 02:50 PM
Trust arrives on foot and departs on horseback. The US would do well to keep this in mind.

I wonder if the size of this investment was compatible with ERISA standards

1499585220001304576

13 million is pretty small share of their likely asset pool.

(finds statement)

out of 26,000 million

Eyup. Bound to be losers like that in any investment pool. Up until the invasion it was an okay investment.

Winehole23
03-04-2022, 02:53 PM
13 million is pretty small share of their likely asset pool.

(finds statement)

out of 26,000 million

Eyup. Bound to be losers like that in any investment pool. Up until the invasion it was an okay investment.it's reported they sold the position the day before the invasion, so moot

SpursforSix
03-04-2022, 02:58 PM
Trust arrives on foot and departs on horseback. The US would do well to keep this in mind.

I wonder if the size of this investment was compatible with ERISA standards

1499585220001304576

I've read that they actually sold their holdings in February and ended up with $12.4 million return on their $15.6 million investment. Still a major loss but nowhere near the above.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/03/04/amid-russia-invading-ukraine-kentucky-teachers-pension-system-caught-middle/9373911002/

Winehole23
03-04-2022, 04:34 PM
I've read that they actually sold their holdings in February and ended up with $12.4 million return on their $15.6 million investment. Still a major loss but nowhere near the above.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/education/2022/03/04/amid-russia-invading-ukraine-kentucky-teachers-pension-system-caught-middle/9373911002/:tu

thanks.

SpursforSix
03-04-2022, 05:55 PM
:tu

thanks.

My bad...I see you caught it already.

Winehole23
03-04-2022, 08:10 PM
My bad...I see you caught it already.all good, man

ElNono
03-05-2022, 12:55 AM
True, but it wouldn't get done absent that political will. One wonders how long "everyone" will remain quiescent to US/EU bullying once alternatives exist. If Russia, China, Iran and South Asia were to form an economic bloc that would be non-trivial.

Who are they're going to sell to though? China is the only big economy in that group and they produce well in excess of internal demand and anything else they could sell to those other countries. The other problem for China is that they sell cheap labor, basically.

There's nothing unique to them, tech or IP wise. You can set up the same sweat shops in Honduras and Guatemala for maybe $.20 more. When Trump put tariffs in China, the immediate reaction for some companies was to move to Vietnam.

China especially has way, way more to lose than gain from an economic bloc like that.

pgardn
03-05-2022, 10:31 AM
I agree that no ready-made alternative to USD dominance exists yet, but the mere fact of political will/combinations to seek alternatives is noteworthy.

And again thats fine as long as it can be trusted to as much as the Dollar, Euro and pound which are the dominant currencies. People that buy into currency pacts among dishonest and not to be trusted backing are asking to lose their money. Sleeping with Gold under your bed is not as wise as buying US treasury bonds for the long term as currency stands right now.

Maybe if Trump was able to somehow get completely involved in determining the value of the dollar we would see a change. He cant get a loan from a US bank so maybe if the red team elects him again he can get on with it. Had to get that dig in because its amazing to me a president has the reputation of a tycoon welcher.

Trump president money bum.

boutons_deux
03-05-2022, 10:58 AM
I read that the more the Russian people suffer will be no deterrent for Putin because he must win no matter the cost to Ukraine so he can tell the Russian people they're suffering has been rewarded

I hope the West are secretly figuring out how to minimize their own pain when they block Putin's oil and gas revenue which would cause the total collapse of Russia.

Russia supplies about 8 to 10% of the world's oil

For now

OPEC is refusing to increase production that would compensate for the loss of Russia's oil output

Fuck OPEC

Thread
03-05-2022, 11:42 AM
I read that the more the Russian people suffer will be no deterrent for Putin because he must win no matter the cost to Ukraine so he can tell the Russian people they're suffering has been rewarded

I hope the West are secretly figuring out how to minimize their own pain when they block Putin's oil and gas revenue which would cause the total collapse of Russia.

Russia supplies about 8 to 10% of the world's oil

For now

OPEC is refusing to increase production that would compensate for the loss of Russia's oil output

Fuck OPEC

The Poot has ya snortin', bouts.

You wantonly crave that vengeance, just as I do. Ain't a dime's worth of difference, my friend. Nary a cent.

Thread
03-05-2022, 11:49 AM
And again thats fine as long as it can be trusted to as much as the Dollar, Euro and pound which are the dominant currencies. People that buy into currency pacts among dishonest and not to be trusted backing are asking to lose their money. Sleeping with Gold under your bed is not as wise as buying US treasury bonds for the long term as currency stands right now.

Maybe if Trump was able to somehow get completely involved in determining the value of the dollar we would see a change. He cant get a loan from a US bank so maybe if the red team elects him again he can get on with it. Had to get that dig in because its amazing to me a president has the reputation of a tycoon welcher.

Trump president money bum.

Please! You got that dig in because you're like bouts and your old Cubby..."You wantonly crave that vengeance, just as I do. Ain't a dime's worth of difference, my friend. Nary a cent."

It always gets back to this event...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

"You" let your guard down for 1 fucking moment and ya got bit, hard. And it'll never heal. Ever. You know it. I know it. Most of all, that old man knows it...

Jr.: "Pop, you got 'em."

Sr.: "GD rights I did."

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03-05-2022, 11:55 AM
Who are they're going to sell to though? China is the only big economy in that group and they produce well in excess of internal demand and anything else they could sell to those other countries. The other problem for China is that they sell cheap labor, basically.

There's nothing unique to them, tech or IP wise. You can set up the same sweat shops in Honduras and Guatemala for maybe $.20 more. When Trump put tariffs in China, the immediate reaction for some companies was to move to Vietnam.

China especially has way, way more to lose than gain from an economic bloc like that.

El, up late trying to seal Putin off, tighter than a nun's snootch on the Sabbath.

tee, hee.

SayTown
03-05-2022, 12:04 PM
Can we get CIA Pop to get in talks with Putin via naturalized Russian Becky, or has he already?

boutons_deux
03-05-2022, 12:24 PM
Florida has three hundred million dollars in Russia and de santis refuses to divest

koriwhat
03-05-2022, 03:28 PM
Can we get CIA Pop to get in talks with Putin via naturalized Russian Becky, or has he already?

What so Pop can virtue signal by telling Putin he needs more diversity hires?

MultiTroll
03-05-2022, 03:58 PM
Will Orange Communist join Putins cabinet when he flames out in 2024?

koriwhat
03-05-2022, 03:59 PM
Will Orange Communist join Putins cabinet when he flames out in 2024?

Yall are clearly delusional rejects if this is truly your line of thinking.

MultiTroll
03-05-2022, 04:05 PM
Yall are clearly delusional rejects if this is truly your line of thinking.
No, Trump really might be alive or not be in jail in 2024.

DMC
03-05-2022, 06:07 PM
How about a "Who cares!"?

I prefer a "magic brownies" option tbh

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03-05-2022, 06:32 PM
Florida has three hundred million dollars in Russia and de santis refuses to divest

Santis

boutons_deux
03-05-2022, 06:46 PM
Yes.
The economic powers of the world will find their way...???
What kind of economic power does India have? Russia has the economy of Spain. Wow...

The reason both are players is they are nuclear powers and huge; and you are cheering miniscule financial agreements.

Russia is India's main supplier of arms

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03-05-2022, 09:27 PM
Russia is India's main supplier of arms

India

RandomGuy
03-05-2022, 10:23 PM
Russia is India's main supplier of arms

There is that small detail.

The goings on in UKR is barely a story there.

SnakeBoy
03-06-2022, 04:06 PM
Otoh, the way the US/EU tanked Russia's economy overnight might lead a number of countries' central banks to consider de-dollarizing in earnest or at least to hedge the risk of undue US/EU influence. Russia, China and Iran are already on that road, it's hard to imagine present circumstances will cause them to reverse course.

Btw, are there any historical examples of US sanctions regimes that worked? Either for regime change or to achieve immediate political ends? None immediately come to mind for me.

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ElNono
03-06-2022, 04:39 PM
1499416063976480768

Nothing was taken away from the central bank. The value of those reserves, being in US dollars, is the same. What changed is nobody in the civilized world wants to do business with Russia.

And this is largely their own doing as well. When WWII was won, a lot of these concessions were made to the US. Stalin being a loser I'm sure helped.

Also losing the Cold War happened to have consequences. C'est la vie.

RandomGuy
03-07-2022, 12:03 PM
Looking more and more like Putin is looking over his shoulder. I may lose that bet.

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03-07-2022, 12:24 PM
Looking more and more like Putin is looking over his shoulder. I may lose that bet.

X is right there, RG.

+ Putin has assured Ukr's that they can flee Ukr, but only thru mother Russia.

tee, hee.