Spurs Enabling Jones' Retro Game Is Appalling

[TD 21]

There's no way a fringe prospect, small guard should get a free pass for being a non 3-point shooter; yet there he is forcing them to play 4 on 5 on offense and he's being rewarded for it by not only backing up Murray but playing alongside.

Spare me the spiel about who's out and the lack of a secondary creator. Not only should that be irrelevant to a team in this situation, it's actually better to really hammer the point home if he's benched with no other viable backup ball handler.

We've seen this far too many times over the years, from Anderson and Murray to Aldridge and DeRozan to a lesser extent Bates-Diop. At some point, looking and acting the part of a prototypical Spur can't take precedence over such egregiousness.

With virtually no 3-point shooting out of their two best players, everyone else needs to shoot them on at least decent volume.

[tonight...you]

You should write a sternly written letter!
Mention things about lawns and shit.

I'm with you! We should show up with signs and stuff! Like go all Karen and shit.

Let's Go Nukular.

[Leetonidas]

I don't mind him as a backup PG since we have a legit all star in front of him but man I never wanna see the Jones/Murray pairing again.

[Dex]

He's been a great tank commander for now, and at least he is getting some good experience at the NBA level...surprising for such a late pick.

He has some good tools to his game, but yeah...he is NEVER going to survive the NBA if he doesn't fix that shot. He's got a lot of shooting practice ahead of him just to become a serviceable role player.

[TimDunkem]

He's just not very good.

But he's great for the tank.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Second round pick, it's going to be a tough road for him to stay in the NBA. There hasn't been a second round pick that the Spurs drafted that stuck around for a couple years since Blair? over a decade ago.

770 minutes played this season 3-26 from three!!

Undersized, not strong, not extremely fast, and can't shoot.

I don't really care right now because this team is going no where this season and it's best to get a better pick. Next year though if he is in the rotation then we have a problem.

[John B]

Tre is an 80% FT shooter. I don’t doubt he’s going to add that 3pt shot, maybe this off-season. Already he’s the best natural PG that Spurs have. He is poised and never get rattled easily. His mid-range is money, and he had no problem attacking the rim. And he’s a pretty good defender. Tre is going to be okay.

[poopbox]

Got rid of Patty and replaced him with the Anti Patty tbh

[paperboy77]

There's no way a fringe prospect, small guard should get a free pass for being a non 3-point shooter; yet there he is forcing them to play 4 on 5 on offense and he's being rewarded for it by not only backing up Murray but playing alongside.

Spare me the spiel about who's out and the lack of a secondary creator. Not only should that be irrelevant to a team in this situation, it's actually better to really hammer the point home if he's benched with no other viable backup ball handler.

We've seen this far too many times over the years, from Anderson and Murray to Aldridge and DeRozan to a lesser extent Bates-Diop. At some point, looking and acting the part of a prototypical Spur can't take precedence over such egregiousness.

With virtually no 3-point shooting out of their two best players, everyone else needs to shoot them on at least decent volume.

Kinda said that last time and some fool of course made an excuse for it.

[CGD]

I don't mind him as a backup PG since we have a legit all star in front of him but man I never wanna see the Jones/Murray pairing again.

I think that pairing had more to do with Primo being out sick yesterday than anything else. Don’t expect that to be the norm.

[timtonymanu]

Some people were really overhyping him. He looks like a 3rd string PG at best. But like others have said, he’s helping the tank.

[CGD]

Some people were really overhyping him. He looks like a 3rd string PG at best. But like others have said, he’s helping the tank.

He’ll be a fine backup PG. Just remember how cringeworthy CoJo was in the early days and what he blossomed into with a few seasons. This guys has better feel than CoJo had at this point in the game.

[Mr. Body]

The fuck you want to happen.

[mo7888]

I'm not nearly as down on him as some here. He's got a lot of skill and is a true PG. He'll be able to hang around the league with the what his game has now. Now that I've said that, I hope his goal isn't just to hang around...for him to be anything more he's got to be very good 3 point shooter. I would expect that's going to be the focus of his summer work. If he develops it he becomes a very interesting player...if he doesn't he'll bounce around the league..

[wildbill2u]

I know we could, but would we want to keep Josh Richardson as the backup. And get rid of Jones? I think it would be a big upgrade at PG.

[emanueldavidginobili]

He’ll be a fine backup PG. Just remember how cringeworthy CoJo was in the early days and what he blossomed into with a few seasons. This guys has better feel than CoJo had at this point in the game.
Cojo definitely was a mess to start, but he had good size and was long and played with grit and was able to defend. Tre doesn't have any of the physically abilities he has, it's going to be tough, he absolutely has a great feel of the game I will give him that but he has to improve his shot to where it's okay to have him out there for some time despite his defense some what like Patty, and I don't think he will reach that point. I'm pulling for him though, but is he really a back up PG you would want on your team to compete for a championship?

[The Truth #6]

I believe in summer league he was shooting the 3 at a decent percentage, and better than Primo. I think these things come in stages for players. He's making progress. I think he'll become a league average 3 point shooter, if not better. Giving up on him now seems silly. Not saying he's great or anything like that. But pretty much every player on the team has some flaw, which makes sense because, well, you know, we are a bad team.

[TD 21]

The point is being missed. It's about the bigger picture. Jones taking wide open, spot up corner 3s isn't going to have an adverse affect on the tank. He's otherwise relatively solid, but his unwillingness to take them isn't any more acceptable because he's early in his career.

Again, this is a pattern with this franchise and it's unacceptable. The next time he doesn't space to 3 off ball or refuses to take one gifted to him, he should be immediately benched for the remainder of the game. Rinse and repeat until it gets through and in the process send a message to the rest of the team.

[MI21]

The point is being missed. It's about the bigger picture. Jones taking wide open, spot up corner 3s isn't going to have an adverse affect on the tank. He's otherwise relatively solid, but his unwillingness to take them isn't any more acceptable because he's early in his career.

Again, this is a pattern with this franchise and it's unacceptable. The next time he doesn't space to 3 off ball or refuses to take one gifted to him, he should be immediately benched for the remainder of the game. Rinse and repeat until it gets through and in the process send a message to the rest of the team.

Completely agree. I actually don't mind Jones, but he shouldn't be given minutes if he is afraid to shoot. I have no doubt at all he works on it really hard, so just shoot the fucking ball. Unacceptable.

[Mr. Body]

I'm sure Popovich hasn't told him anything about shooting threes or not at this point in time, being his coach and all.

He's also the only actual point guard on the roster.

[rankingtear]

There's no way a fringe prospect, small guard should get a free pass for being a non 3-point shooter; yet there he is forcing them to play 4 on 5 on offense and he's being rewarded for it by not only backing up Murray but playing alongside.

Spare me the spiel about who's out and the lack of a secondary creator. Not only should that be irrelevant to a team in this situation, it's actually better to really hammer the point home if he's benched with no other viable backup ball handler.

We've seen this far too many times over the years, from Anderson and Murray to Aldridge and DeRozan to a lesser extent Bates-Diop. At some point, looking and acting the part of a prototypical Spur can't take precedence over such egregiousness.

With virtually no 3-point shooting out of their two best players, everyone else needs to shoot them on at least decent volume.

This is the TP , CoJo and Murray development path, he won't shoot that until year 3 just does not have the range right now. It is not really as damaging as a wing who does not shoot 3.

[CGD]

Cojo definitely was a mess to start, but he had good size and was long and played with grit and was able to defend. Tre doesn't have any of the physically abilities he has, it's going to be tough, he absolutely has a great feel of the game I will give him that but he has to improve his shot to where it's okay to have him out there for some time despite his defense some what like Patty, and I don't think he will reach that point. I'm pulling for him though, but is he really a back up PG you would want on your team to compete for a championship?

What physical tools do you mean? They both are 6’3” with meh wingspans (CoJo on inch longer at a whooping 6’5”).

I personally think Tre is much further along than CoJo was at this point.

[The Truth #6]

If the point of this thread is that he should shoot widen open threes, then yes, I agree.

[Dex]

If the point of this thread is that he should shoot widen open threes, then yes, I agree.

Not if he can't hit them, and he's proven that is not in his skillset. At that point, it's just a wasted possession, and it's not going to add any spacing because teams are still just gonna sit back and let him throw up bricks.

Hell, we might as well just start posting him up against the likes of Embiid or Jokic, because post ups are high efficiency plays, right?

I do agree that him not being able to shoot open threes IS a problem, and something he needs to fix. But just asking him to shoot them anyways right now isn't the best solution. Let him play to the strengths he currently has and then he can try to add the three over the summer.

[The Truth #6]

Not if he can't hit them, and he's proven that is not in his skillset. At that point, it's just a wasted possession, and it's not going to add any spacing because teams are still just gonna sit back and let him throw up bricks.

Hell, we might as well just start posting him up against the likes of Embiid or Jokic, because post ups are high efficiency plays, right?

I do agree that him not being able to shoot open threes IS a problem, and something he needs to fix. But just asking him to shoot them anyways right now isn't the best solution. Let him play to the strengths he currently has and then he can try to add the three over the summer.

He shot 36% in SL at 2.8 attempts. I’m ok with him continuing, or starting, to shoot open 3’s. Lonnie’s percentage has been horrible this year but I don’t think he should stop either if open. I hear what you’re saying about wasted possessions. My response would be that we suck and the purpose of this season is development. Think about Eubanks. He talked about all the work he did on his 3 and then attempted like five all year and got moved. My point is, players need to learn to show the initiative as well, otherwise they’ll never break through in their development.

[dbestpro]

Avery Johnson 2.0

[KingKev]

I know we could, but would we want to keep Josh Richardson as the backup. And get rid of Jones? I think it would be a big upgrade at PG.

Josh Richardson? He isn’t a PG. Not even close.

Tre Jones certainly has to improve his shot but he still has some ability to run an offense which no one else on this team has after Murray. Maybe Primo one day.

[CGD]

Avery Johnson 2.0

A solid back up PG then.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

A solid back up PG then.

if tre is a major part of a LOBT team then i'm OK with his jersey in the rafters tbh

[exstatic]

He shot 36% in SL at 2.8 attempts. I’m ok with him continuing, or starting, to shoot open 3’s. Lonnie’s percentage has been horrible this year but I don’t think he should stop either if open. I hear what you’re saying about wasted possessions. My response would be that we suck and the purpose of this season is development. Think about Eubanks. He talked about all the work he did on his 3 and then attempted like five all year and got moved. My point is, players need to learn to show the initiative as well, otherwise they’ll never break through in their development.

Summer league and gleague are both practically irrelevant to NBA game time. Kyle Anderson shot nearly 36% in Austin, and couldn’t hit shit in SA.

[The Truth #6]

Summer league and gleague are both practically irrelevant to NBA game time. Kyle Anderson shot nearly 36% in Austin, and couldn’t hit shit in SA.

Irrelevant, except when you use it to strengthen your argument depending on the situation. You cite G league stuff all the time, so that seems like a disingenuous response. Regardless, he still needs to hit open jump shots.

[SPURt]

If Tre is the new target for Spurstalk, it certainly is better then watching Forbes or Lyles or any other frustrating player from teams past.

[John B]

Wow, two page for this troll? Tre is the only real PG besides Murray. He’s doing a great job on his 2nd year and for a 2nd round draft pick, besides shooting the 3. His shooting mechanics are good, 80% FT shooter, midrange is money. I’m sure Coach Chip is working on him to extend that range. Tre is a great kid, so this thread will not age well.

[PhantomDashCam]

Tre has many shortcomings but does at least have an elite NBA skill (paint penetration). Not sure I can say that about many on this roster tbh…

[donaldsonian]

What physical tools do you mean? They both are 6’3” with meh wingspans (CoJo on inch longer at a whooping 6’5”).

I personally think Tre is much further along than CoJo was at this point.

Tre Jones is listed as 6’1” everywhere I’ve seen.

[exstatic]

If you don’t love Tre Jones, you don’t understand basketball at all. That’s it. That’s the post.

[Proxy]

he's like... jaque vaughan. Some of y'all are hoping for Beno

[John B]

Almost got a triple double with 9/12/10 tonight :lol

[KingKev]

If you don’t love Tre Jones, you don’t understand basketball at all. That’s it. That’s the post.

I couldn’t agree more. A second round pick in his second year who can contribute 10-15 mins a game as a backup PG. he has a future in this league even if not with us.

[TD 21]

I didn't say anything about "love" (and actually said he's otherwise relatively solid) this is just the typical bitter, apologist, waste of space response.

The bottom line is, this stuck in the dark ages franchise isn't going anywhere by continuing to enable this behavior and mentality, especially from an unestablished, minimal player.



This is the TP , CoJo and Murray development path, he won't shoot that until year 3 just does not have the range right now. It is not really as damaging as a wing who does not shoot 3.

:lmao This is '22. A minimal small guard needs 3 years to develop the range to shoot 3s? When it was known in college that it was the one thing preventing him from definitively being destined for a long career as a rotation player? Come on.

No one is asking him to be a sniper. I don't even care so much if shoots a terrible percentage, so much as he takes the ones he needs to. Virtually every other franchise gets this through to their players. Why can't this one ever be held accountable for it?

[KingKev]

I didn't say anything about "love" (and actually said he's otherwise relatively solid) this is just the typical bitter, apologist, waste of space response.

The bottom line is, this stuck in the dark ages franchise isn't going anywhere by continuing to enable this behavior and mentality, especially from an unestablished, minimal player.




:lmao This is '22. A minimal small guard needs 3 years to develop the range to shoot 3s? When it was known in college that it was the one thing preventing him from definitively being destined for a long career as a rotation player? Come on.

No one is asking him to be a sniper. I don't even care so much if shoots a terrible percentage, so much as he takes the ones he needs to. Virtually every other franchise gets this through to their players. Why can't this one ever be held accountable for it?

You are a closet Raptors fan though. Give Massai his flowers bro, he will happily take Tre for a 2nd.

[spurs1990]

Haven’t seen Jones play enough to comment personally, but my question how does a guard who can’t shoot, star at the university of duke for 2 years. Indictment of how todays players are developing.

[TD 21]

You are a closet Raptors fan though. Give Massai his flowers bro, he will happily take Tre for a 2nd.

For what? Begging his buddies at the league office to reward their drowning asses after whining about them being displaced last season (as if it were the league's fault) and gifting them a high pick? Some talent that is.

[KingKev]

Haven’t seen Jones play enough to comment personally, but my question how does a guard who can’t shoot, star at the university of duke for 2 years. Indictment of how todays players are developing.

His second season Cole Anthony went down and he stepped up to the plate.

[TD 21]

His second season Cole Anthony went down and he stepped up to the plate.

:lmao Anthony played at North Carolina.

[Gagnrath]

Second round pick, it's going to be a tough road for him to stay in the NBA. There hasn't been a second round pick that the Spurs drafted that stuck around for a couple years since Blair? over a decade ago.

770 minutes played this season 3-26 from three!!

Undersized, not strong, not extremely fast, and can't shoot.

I don't really care right now because this team is going no where this season and it's best to get a better pick. Next year though if he is in the rotation then we have a problem.


Corey Joseph is a second round pick who stuck for quite awhile....

Chimze Metu is also a 2018 pick who is in Sacramento.... I'm not sure if they are part of the NBA still or if they have been relegated down.... Oh wait wrong continent we won't do that in the US.

[exstatic]

Haven’t seen Jones play enough to comment personally, but my question how does a guard who can’t shoot, star at the university of duke for 2 years. Indictment of how todays players are developing.

He gets to the rim pretty much at will in the NBA, even without a jump shot that goes further than 10-12 feet. Duke would have been a cakewalk.

[XDT76]

Corey Joseph is a second round pick who stuck for quite awhile....

Chimze Metu is also a 2018 pick who is in Sacramento.... I'm not sure if they are part of the NBA still or if they have been relegated down.... Oh wait wrong continent we won't do that in the US.

Joseph is a late FRP, not SRP.

[KingKev]

:lmao Anthony played at North Carolina.

Yeah I got that wrong big time.

[John B]

Joseph is a late FRP, not SRP.

I like CoJo, but he was the player selected immediately before Jimmy Butler. I don’t know if Jimmy Butler was on Spurs’ radar having already drafted Kawhi at #15, but the Spurs drafted a position in need (having traded George Hill for the right to draft Kawhi) instead of a BPA who turned to be a multiple AS player, member of All-Defensive in multiple years, and possibly a future Hofer. Sadly that would people remember CoJo for instead of the dunk on Ibaca. Who knows what could’ve happened next had Spurs drafted Butler instead to pair with Kawhi. Dang

[John B]

Joseph is a late FRP, not SRP.

I like CoJo, but he was the player selected immediately before Jimmy Butler. I don’t know if Jimmy Butler was on Spurs’ radar having already drafted Kawhi at #15, but the Spurs drafted a position in need (having traded George Hill for the right to draft Kawhi) instead of a BPA who turned to be a multiple AS player, member of All-Defensive in multiple years, and possibly a future Hofer. Sadly that would people remember CoJo for instead of the dunk on Ibaca. Who knows what could’ve happened next had Spurs drafted Butler instead to pair with Kawhi. Dang

[XDT76]

I like CoJo, but he was the player selected immediately before Jimmy Butler. I don’t know if Jimmy Butler was on Spurs’ radar having already drafted Kawhi at #15, but the Spurs drafted a position in need (having traded George Hill for the right to draft Kawhi) instead of a BPA who turned to be a multiple AS player, member of All-Defensive in multiple years, and possibly a future Hofer. Sadly that would people remember CoJo for instead of the dunk on Ibaca. Who knows what could’ve happened next had Spurs drafted Butler instead to pair with Kawhi. Dang

I remember there was a report suggesting Butler was on the Spurs radar and if Kawhi is not available Butler is gonna be our pick. However since we got Kawhi, we go after CoJo instead

[John B]

I remember there was a report suggesting Butler was on the Spurs radar and if Kawhi is not available Butler is gonna be our pick. However since we got Kawhi, we go after CoJo instead

So on this instance Spurs picked a position in need and not the BPA?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

As Dex and others have mentioned, he can man the ship at PG fine for a team that is trying to move up in the lottery. A backup point guard for a contender? No way. I cringe when Sean and Bill Land talk about what a great guard he is. He gets hammered at the rim if there's a decent defender nearby. He doesn't create offense, and his outside shot is sh!t.

He's at the top of my list of "who needs to be replaced" on the roster for next year. Some length at the wing and a true backup point guard are the two gaping holes with this team.

[XDT76]

So on this instance Spurs picked a position in need and not the BPA?

I guess when we have multiple picks we have more optuons

[jermaine]

As Dex and others have mentioned, he can man the ship at PG fine for a team that is trying to move up in the lottery. A backup point guard for a contender? No way. I cringe when Sean and Bill Land talk about what a great guard he is. He gets hammered at the rim if there's a decent defender nearby. He doesn't create offense, and his outside shot is sh!t.

He's at the top of my list of "who needs to be replaced" on the roster for next year. Some length at the wing and a true backup point guard are the two gaping holes with this team.

I honestly can't understand why Primo isn't running 2nd pg duties. His vision is so great an he can score. They just throw him in a corner for some reason. But tbh, I love Tre Jones... Just shouldn't be playing if he can't hit the 3ball

[KingKev]

I honestly can't understand why Primo isn't running 2nd pg duties. His vision is so great an he can score. They just throw him in a corner for some reason. But tbh, I love Tre Jones... Just shouldn't be playing if he can't hit the 3ball

He simply is not ready. Primo has a long way to go to even be a nightly backup. I think PATFO are unsure how to best unlock what appears to be a high ceiling. I’m not sure asking him to run the point at the NBA level is the answer, not yet atleast.

[John B]

Primo is not a PG while Tre is. Pop gives Primo some PG responsibilities as part of unleashing skills, and hopefully he can facilitate like Demar did playing a combo guard/SF. But yeah, Primo has a long wayyy to go.

[The Truth #6]

It sounds like Tre Jones needs to hit 40% from three and average 8 assists otherwise he’s like a total bust!!!

[KingKev]

It sounds like Tre Jones needs to hit 40% from three and average 8 assists otherwise he’s like a total bust!!!

and grow to 6’5

[wildbill2u]

and grow to 6’5

One of his attributes as a collegian was his defense, but in the NBA bigger players start licking their chops when he's paired off on them. Whether on the perimeter or taking him down into the lane, he simply presents very little in the way of defense to bigger players.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

One of his attributes as a collegian was his defense, but in the NBA bigger players start licking their chops when he's paired off on them. Whether on the perimeter or taking him down into the lane, he simply presents very little in the way of defense to bigger players.

I think you've touched on Tre's "issue" which is that his attributes don't match what's required of a player in today's NBA. Guys need to be able to play multiple positions and guard multiple players and handle multiple matchups and be able to shoot from the outside. Jones is basically a throw-back to Avery Johnson without the same level of court leadership. As talented as he is, the NBA of today might not match his skillset.

[John B]

This thread is not going to age well, as soon as Tre hits the 3’s this off-season, and posters start praising what a steal at 41st pick

[T Park]

As Dex and others have mentioned, he can man the ship at PG fine for a team that is trying to move up in the lottery. A backup point guard for a contender? No way. I cringe when Sean and Bill Land talk about what a great guard he is. He gets hammered at the rim if there's a decent defender nearby. He doesn't create offense, and his outside shot is sh!t.

He's at the top of my list of "who needs to be replaced" on the roster for next year. Some length at the wing and a true backup point guard are the two gaping holes with this team.


Disagree completely. Hes a fixed jump shot away from being one of the better back up points in the league. Hes very good defensively, he does run the offense the best to its ability currently. If England can develop his shot better, which hes proven he can with players of all ages, then the offense when hes in improves.


Wouldnt be quick to give up on Tre Jones. Patience.

[DJR210]

He's filler at this point he'll be replaced in the draft

[The Truth #6]

He was a good pick at 41. He’s on path to be a solid backup point guard. His lack of switchability is a concern in general, and probably the best critique of him, but if he already was a great shooter then he wouldn’t have been available at 41. You take what you can get in thensecond round. As far as asset management, I’m way more concerned about Primo.

[Sugus]

He was a good pick at 41. He’s on path to be a solid backup point guard. His lack of switchability is a concern in general, and probably the best critique of him, but if he already was a great shooter then he wouldn’t have been available at 41. You take what you can get in thensecond round. As far as asset management, I’m way more concerned about Primo.

I agree that Tre isn't a bad pick at #41 by any means, but disagree on the rest of the analysis. He's on path to be a "solid backup PG" in the same way that the Spurs' current players are "NBA starters" - a low threshold. As long as he can't shoot (and moreso, as long as he's literally scared to shoot, we're not even talking percentages here because he doesn't allow himself a sample size), he'll never be an above-average backup PG. His scoring is "nifty" in the vein of having to be wary of his shot getting blocked 1/3 times, he doesn't have a real pullup from anywhere on the floor, and is just scared of putting the ball in the hoop in general.

I'll be the first to admit that I haven't watched too much of him closely, nor checked his numbers, maybe he's one of those cases where the eye test is very misleading and stats paint a wholly different picture. But nothing that I've seen from Tre Jones is irreplaceable, not even for a backup. I'd much rather they keep on drafting PGs with their later picks (they have 3 this season, I'd like two of them to be forwards/bigs and one PG, if no trades are made), in search of one that can shoot. Because there's no more to it than that... If you wanna play in the NBA nowadays, you gotta shoot, at almost every position (even non-shooting C's like Jakob are suffering heavily from this, like last night showed), and being the smallest player on the court? Yeah, you gotta make them respect you.

He's not "condemned" to never make it in the NBA, and maybe he locks himself in the gym with Chip, yadda yadda. But there's not so many cases of guys entering the league, at 22 no less, with literally no shooting, and then turning their careers around in that aspect. I'm quite low on him, and his overrated defense, as mentioned above, is another reason why. Players aren't scared at all to bully him and shoot over him, and it's not gonna change. He runs the offense just fine, yes, but there's hundreds of 18-19 yo PGs waiting to be drafted that can do that too, and bring everything else to the table that Tre lacks.

Very low on him, thus far, sadly.

[TD 21]

:lmao At the apologists still misconstruing something that couldn't be more simple.

[The Truth #6]

Sugus: Well thought out points, but I wasn’t trying to offer an in-depth analysis other than second round picks generally suck and there’s no reason to get too worked up about him; our first round picks plateauing is my bigger concern

TD21: Never really sure if you’re trolling or you actually subscribe to the black and white world you project.

[The Truth #6]

Interesting. Tre 2/3 from downtown tonight…

[spurs1990]

Interesting. Tre 2/3 from downtown tonight…

all three attempts were the Bruce Bowen corner variety. He needs to master that shot going forward

[John B]

This thread is not going to age well :lol

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

This thread is not going to age well :lol

it really isn’t. Lol

i will admit him getting switched on defense is an issue but he does a solid job fighting through screens and he is pretty good with on ball defense.

offensively he is pretty good beating guys off the bounce already, he just needs to work on his 3 and mid range shots. Dude will be a good back up point guard in the NBA just like his brother if he gets his jumper working and getting drafted at the 41st pick he is already pretty decent.

[John B]

it really isn’t. Lol

i will admit him getting switched on defense is an issue but he does a solid job fighting through screens and he is pretty good with on ball defense.

offensively he is pretty good beating guys off the bounce already, he just needs to work on his 3 and mid range shots. Dude will be a good back up point guard in the NBA just like his brother if he gets his jumper working and getting drafted at the 41st pick he is already pretty decent.

And he’s already sending those 3’s. I’m pretty sure he’ll work on that some more this off season

[The Truth #6]

Modern game is at the rim and 3s. He gets to the rim. 3 is a work in progress but it seems achievable.

[John B]

Modern game is at the rim and 3s. He gets to the rim. 3 is a work in progress but it seems achievable.

Tony got to be a reliable 3pt shooter with his quirky stroke. I have better hope on Tre who is already excellent at FT and mid-range.

[stephen jackson]

Team needs a lot including a back up pg

[John B]

But it is compelling that Tre is outplaying his draft 41st, contrary to what this thread was suggesting, way into early 20ish imo, and could even prove to be higher

[Gagnrath]

As Dex and others have mentioned, he can man the ship at PG fine for a team that is trying to move up in the lottery. A backup point guard for a contender? No way. I cringe when Sean and Bill Land talk about what a great guard he is. He gets hammered at the rim if there's a decent defender nearby. He doesn't create offense, and his outside shot is sh!t.

He's at the top of my list of "who needs to be replaced" on the roster for next year. Some length at the wing and a true backup point guard are the two gaping holes with this team.

Who on the roster is a starter level power forward? Not even talking about on a contending team, I'm talking about for a solid play-off team, the ones no one considers contenders but their fan's always go hey they're in the pay-off if they get hot and a real contender has an injury or two they might get lucky.

I could see Keldon, or Devin both playing the three on a team like that, but both are too small to be among the 40 or so best active power forwards in the world, Yeah Keldon especially can play there and he's going to be a bench tier power forward towards the end of his NBA career. (good guy, works hard practices hard, competes hard, everyone loves him, does what the coaches want.) But he's naturally a 3 in the NBA. Devin is also a three and I actually think probably a slightly better player overall (which has me in disagreement with a good bit of the NBA, it might just be that Devin actually gets to play in position), that said both are going to be entering their primes basically in 2 and 3 years respectively and neither seems likely to take the leap between starter and star.

I'm not against some wing length but I think having a 6'9"+ guy at power forward makes more difference. Yeah Keldon is a bruiser at SF and based on foot speed and body type early 30s probably see's him move to a bench PF role. Devin and J-Rich both are reasonable at both wing spots. Primo as a combo guard.

Lets say 2022-23 season, PG Murray (6'4" age 26), SG Primo (6'6" age 20), SF Johnson (6'6" 23) Vassell or Richardson work here as well, either can also play some 2 which is fine spurs system inter changes those two spots. While I wouldn't turn down a good wing an inch or two taller the number of guys fast enough to play wing gets smaller very quickly for every inch above 6'5" The reason the spurs seem small is they have a simply average sized and rebounding 3 playing lots of minutes as the starting 4. If you draft or trade for a real PF Defense improves, Rebounding improves. Before this season the knock on Johnson was outside shooting.

Is Trey Jones the best back-up PG possible? Nope but he's also not a sore spot there.

[TD 21]

:lmao At the continued lack of basic reading comprehension. This thread can't "not age well", if you understand the basic premise instead of trying to make it fit the narrative you want.

[SpurSpike]

Iv been relatively impressed by Jones ability to run the floor and set up teammates, he just needs to work a little on his own offensive arsenal.

[MannyIsGod]

I'd agree that he's not a bad 41st pick but until dude develops a jumpshot from 3 point range he is not a good backup NBA point. I'm not sure if his contract is guaranteed for next year, but I don't see how he's an NBA rotation player at this point in time. Spurs should look elsewhere for the backup PG spot next year.

[KingKev]

I'd agree that he's not a bad 41st pick but until dude develops a jumpshot from 3 point range he is not a good backup NBA point. I'm not sure if his contract is guaranteed for next year, but I don't see how he's an NBA rotation player at this point in time. Spurs should look elsewhere for the backup PG spot next year.

He isn’t fully guaranteed but he won’t be released. Sure he might get bumped to 3rd string PG if we bring in a more enticing PG to develop but to date Tre has exceeded expectations. The guy has a future somewhere as a 10-15 minute or deep bench backup PG somewhere already.

This team has given guys like Eubanks, Forbes and KBD full-time backup positions the last few years and ppl are complaining about Tre Jones not having a 3pt shot? WTF?!? He is only playing because this is a lost year to begin with and we sold high on D White.

[SAGirl]

I think the Spurs are about to get full with young prospects and Tre is likely to get pushed to 3rd string when the Spurs draft someone more promising. He reminds me a lot of his brother who is very solid but unspectacular. His brother has added the 3 though. The more limited he is, the more likely he’ll get pushed out of the rotation by someone else. These are things I don’t worry about bc while they seek to improve the team they will likely cycle through a lot of role players:

[John B]

I think the Spurs are about to get full with young prospects and Tre is likely to get pushed to 3rd string when the Spurs draft someone more promising. He reminds me a lot of his brother who is very solid but unspectacular. His brother has added the 3 though. The more limited he is, the more likely he’ll get pushed out of the rotation by someone else. These are things I don’t worry about bc while they seek to improve the team they will likely cycle through a lot of role players:

I think Tre only needs to add the 3pts and he would be better than his brother. https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2020/07/tre-jones-tyus-jones-comparison-duke-basketball

Numbers and StylesTyus Jones: 11.8 PPG, 5.6 APG, 3.5 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 41.7 FG%, 37.9 3P%
Tre Jones: 12.4 PPG, 5.8 APG, 4 RPG, 1.8 SPG, 41.9 FG%, 31.3 3P%


“On the defensive end, Tre was undoubtedly the better of the two, partly due to his larger build. He stands two inches taller than his older brother and was physically superior than his matchups most of the time. Tre had an average defensive rating of 95.7 per 100 possessions thanks to his relentless on-ball defense. While Tyus’ overall defensive contribution was at best average, he made up for his lack of size with agility and judgment. He was a decent pass interceptor and tallied 1.5 steals per game in college.”

[dbestpro]

Tre Jones was drafted just two years ago and people want him out of of the league cause he's not playing like Chris Paul. - facepalm.

[The Truth #6]

:lmao At the continued lack of basic reading comprehension. This thread can't "not age well", if you understand the basic premise instead of trying to make it fit the narrative you want.

I’d say this applies to you as well somewhat. A retro game…that sounds like shooting midrange shots. He shoots floaters some, but most of even those are in the paint. Modern game seems to be at the rim and 3s. He gets to the rim better than most players on the team, so I don’t see a huge issue. Having one of the best backup point guards to play behind an All Star point guard seems a little unrealistic and not the most important thing to focus on. But sure, I’d like him to shoot threes.

[Seventyniner]

I’d say this applies to you as well somewhat. A retro game…that sounds like shooting midrange shots. He shoots floaters some, but most of even those are in the paint. Modern game seems to be at the rim and 3s. He gets to the rim better than most players on the team, so I don’t see a huge issue. Having one of the best backup point guards to play behind an All Star point guard seems a little unrealistic and not the most important thing to focus on. But sure, I’d like him to shoot threes.

Some stats: https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonestr01.html

This year, Tre's shoots 34.0% of his shots at the rim, 31.7% from 3-10 feet, 17.7% from 10-16 feet, 2.6% from 16-3P, and 14.0% from beyond the arc. That last number is certainly too low for a modern point guard, but the 2.6% is perfectly fine for 16-3P and 17.7% isn't terribly high for 10-16. Maybe he could get closer to something like 40/20/13/2/25.

His numbers last year, though, were 39.7/33.3/19.2/1.3/6.4. His 3 point rate has gone from 6.4% to 14.0% so the trajectory is good.

[The Truth #6]

I tried to find some ranking of best backup point guards in the NBA. Instead, I found Hollinger's ranking of all point guards. Honestly, I don't keep up with the rest of the league. But Tre Jones is ranked #35 in the NBA under Hollinger's criteria for point guards. So at least according to this list, Tre Jones is not considered one of the worst backup point guards in the league, and is probably top ten. But I'm happy to hear opposing point of views. If someone finds any other lists, please share.

https://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg

[SAGirl]

I tried to find some ranking of best backup point guards in the NBA. Instead, I found Hollinger's ranking of all point guards. Honestly, I don't keep up with the rest of the league. But Tre Jones is ranked #35 in the NBA under Hollinger's criteria for point guards. So at least according to this list, Tre Jones is not considered one of the worst backup point guards in the league, and is probably top ten. But I'm happy to hear opposing point of views. If someone finds any other lists, please share.

https://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pg
I don’t have a horse in this race and honestly don’t care bc I think he will necessarily even last long in the team, but PER is such a bad stat to rank him 35th at, particularly in absence of him shooting the 3 at all.

[TD 21]

I’d say this applies to you as well somewhat. A retro game…that sounds like shooting midrange shots. He shoots floaters some, but most of even those are in the paint. Modern game seems to be at the rim and 3s. He gets to the rim better than most players on the team, so I don’t see a huge issue. Having one of the best backup point guards to play behind an All Star point guard seems a little unrealistic and not the most important thing to focus on. But sure, I’d like him to shoot threes.

:lmao Telling me what I supposedly meant.

[The Truth #6]

:lmao Telling me what I supposedly meant.

Weak rebuttal, honestly. Your argument was mostly an emo rant. So yeah, it’s open to critique.

[TD 21]

Weak rebuttal, honestly. Your argument was mostly an emo rant. So yeah, it’s open to critique.

Go back and re-read my comments throughout the thread instead of trying to skew them to fit your biased narrative, apologist.

[The Truth #6]

Go back and re-read my comments throughout the thread instead of trying to skew them to fit your biased narrative, apologist.

You really didn't have many comments in this thread. It seems you clarified that you think he's not bad in all facets but that you want Pop to play him with a very tight leash and bench him the second he doesn't shoot an outside shot when he's open. I would counter that your approach seems better suited for High School and not professional athletes. The other comments seemed to be an egregious use of the laughing emoji with nothing else to add. I'm not sure what you think i'm apologizing for...being a Spurs fan? Believing that Tre Jones will be a solid bench player and that he is making progress with his outside shot, and in fact has been making them, ironically, since this thread was started? Anyway, moving on...

[TD 21]

You really didn't have many comments in this thread. It seems you clarified that you think he's not bad in all facets but that you want Pop to play him with a very tight leash and bench him the second he doesn't shoot an outside shot when he's open. I would counter that your approach seems better suited for High School and not professional athletes. The other comments seemed to be an egregious use of the laughing emoji with nothing else to add. I'm not sure what you think i'm apologizing for...being a Spurs fan? Believing that Tre Jones will be a solid bench player and that he is making progress with his outside shot, and in fact has been making them, ironically, since this thread was started? Anyway, moving on...

That and I'm not expecting him to be a world beater in general or high volume nor so much as decent from 3 specifically. I just expect a small guard, who was a 2nd round pick, in his second season, in '22 (how's that for alliteration?) who has always had this knock, to at least take the wide open corner 3s teams gift him instead of being selfish and turning it into 4 on 5 offensively.

And if he's not, then it's incumbent on the genius to do something about it. He used to threaten Bonner, among others, with this. That's not asking too much.

[Mr. Body]

His shot from deep looked pretty good against the Pels last game. He's clearly putting in the work.

[John B]

2-4 from 3 last night. This thread fizzled out fast :lol:lol

[Mr. Body]

The two threes he hit were kind of odd. He backed out and then did a sort of run up to the line and nailed them. Missed the other two. Be interesting to see going forward.

Anyway, the guy's clearly put in the work shooting from outside. Took four, so he's taking them, but seems to not be entirely comfortable in some spots. I look forward to seeing him develop. I've been bullish on him from the start. He had two of the three (or so) things you really want from a backup point -- he's a great, willing defender, and he's an actual point guard. The three is coming.

[KingKev]

Anyone know when he is available for an extension?

[exstatic]

18pts 7a 7r

This shit didn’t age well at all.

[The Truth #6]

In mild defense of TD21, his 3P% for the last ten games has been 25%, with many games of no attempts. Overall, not great. His FT% has been 91.7% so I still think he can become a league average 3P shooter, maybe even better considering his FT percentage is right around 80% for the year. But if he becomes an average or better 3P shooter, I think he goes from, to me at least, average backup point guard to one of the better ones.

[exstatic]

In mild defense of TD21, his 3P% for the last ten games has been 25%, with many games of no attempts. Overall, not great. His FT% has been 91.7% so I still think he can become a league average 3P shooter, maybe even better considering his FT percentage is right around 80% for the year. But if he becomes an average or better 3P shooter, I think he goes from, to me at least, average backup point guard to one of the better ones.

If he gets a 3pt shot, we won’t be able to keep him. He’s an outstanding playmaker and defender, and would be a starter quality PG with a long ball. It’s literally the only thing missing in his game.

[XDT76]

Anyone know when he is available for an extension?

Seems like only Rookies entering 4th year is eligible for extension, as Tre only signs 3 years he would not be eligible

[exstatic]

Seems like only Rookies entering 4th year is eligible for extension, as Tre only signs 3 years he would not be eligible

That would be first rounders. I believe Trey could be eligible this summer for an extension that would kick in next summer. Whether they should is a whole different question.

[MannyIsGod]

He isn’t fully guaranteed but he won’t be released. Sure he might get bumped to 3rd string PG if we bring in a more enticing PG to develop but to date Tre has exceeded expectations. The guy has a future somewhere as a 10-15 minute or deep bench backup PG somewhere already.

This team has given guys like Eubanks, Forbes and KBD full-time backup positions the last few years and ppl are complaining about Tre Jones not having a 3pt shot? WTF?!? He is only playing because this is a lost year to begin with and we sold high on D White.

No point in waving the guy he hardly makes anything. I agree he's fine as the 3rd pg. I am glad he's played because like almost everyone else on the roster the Spurs needed to see what they had.

[MannyIsGod]

If he gets a 3pt shot, we won’t be able to keep him. He’s an outstanding playmaker and defender, and would be a starter quality PG with a long ball. It’s literally the only thing missing in his game.

Without a 3 point shit there is no reason to keep him long term. While it's not a big deal he's getting minutes now, op is right in that Tre Jones can't function as a good pg with his current skillet.

The shooting has to improve.

[rankingtear]

He just lacks the range on that shot, his 2 dribble jumpers from 3 went in last game. I think it is an easy fix to get power on those shots, form is fine. KBD and Langford have worst shooting projections.

[XDT76]

That would be first rounders. I believe Trey could be eligible this summer for an extension that would kick in next summer. Whether they should is a whole different question.

If his contract is consider as veteran contract then he could get an extension this off season.

[John B]

Anybody doubting Tre Jones as a capable PG is just delusional. The guy is poised, distributes and just knows when to attack. I’m not comparing him to the great Stockton, but he sure shows the same demeanor, just calms the team down, nothing fancy. He makes his 3’s this off-season, watch out.

[Mr. Body]

He's looking a bit like he did in summer league. He's pretty swift and crafty getting shots around the rim. The key may be that he's pretty strongly built for his height, so when he gets a corner on a defender it's hard for them to get back. Speed and some strength.

[Kurik]

He’s definitely picked his game up since this thread was made, thank you. We should keep him around.

[ginobilized]

He's got the tools for being a very effective point guard. I love seeing his evolution as he gets more experience.
He is an important cog in this wheel. Remember how frustrating this team has been to watch the past few seasons.
This is a fun team to watch most of the time.

[Manu-of-steel]

This thread does not age well. Tre Jones showing up the past several games. He's just a sophomore, once he develops his 3 point shot, watch out fellas He also has a very good IQ

[spurraider21]

he looks much better than i thought he would tbh... much more juice than joseph would regularly show

[RC_Drunkford]

Tre is playing way better than he did midseason. He's a legit back up PG, his floater is money. He has a complete game, the only thing he's missing is a 3-point shot and I'm pretty sure that's gon come along

[Spurs Homer]

Tre jones showed me something tonight

lonnie would have crumbled to the floor with that ankle sprain and been out a month

tre working on his 3 pt range is his next step

[Atl Spur]

His resume suggest he will be more than ok in the end….Spurs got them a good one. Patience boys and girls����

[John B]

Tre hurting himself but wanting to get back to finish says a lot about his character. The kid is a relentless winner. He picks his spot with his floaters. He can get to the rim at will, while distributing and finding people. As mentioned, he is deceptively athletic and has that burst of speed many didn’t expect. That made me look for his vertical, and yup 40”. I knew it.

The kid is a steal. This article is a great read why Tre landed with the Spurs in the 2nd round, and the Spurs are lucky to have picked him up. https://balldurham.com/2020/11/19/duke-basketball-four-tre-jones-slipped/amp/1/

[stnick2261]

I was expecting Jones to be a career Spur 3rd string PG... but as he's going (IMHO), he could be the primary backup someday.

Murray / Jones
Vassell / Primo
Johnson / J-Rich
Collins
Poeltl

[The Truth #6]

Consistency will be key, but given more minutes now, he is showing that the progress he made in Summer League wasn't an illusion. He was already trending in a positive direction, if you look at the big picture, but it often takes repetitions and opportunity to help develop that confidence. It's true he isn't a great 3 point shooter right now, but he has shown that if you play defense, don't make stupid mistakes, and can still find ways to contribute, not to mention score outside of launching 3s, you can still make positive contributions. He definitely should be part of the team's future.

[lefty]

3 point shit .
What kind of mexican food do you eat

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Jones played a great game last night. I may have to retract my critical comments if he keeps running the offense like he did against the Nuggets.

[Dejounte]

While he’s still not blowing anyone’s mind away with his play, he’s at least stopped his bad habits of hesitating from 3 from last year and has taken a step forward in that department. I don’t think it was ever the Spurs enabling it. He just wasn’t confident in his shot because he hadn’t worked on it. Looks like he worked on it over the summer and has the confidence to shoot it.

[KingKev]

Damn pull receipts on this shit.

:lmao: :lmao:

[TD 21]

That doesn't change what I said at the time and even with that "step forward", he's still got a 51.5 TS% (league average is currently 57%, but usually ends up at 55%), and while the 43.5% from 3 looks nice, only 23.5% of his shots are 3s and almost all of them are wide open spot ups.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

He is going to be a solid NBA player barring injuries for a long time. Dude just needs to keep being aggressive on offense and letting it fly from 3

[spurraider21]

Lol RJ24 constant whining

[timtonymanu]

Lol RJ24 constant whining

[The Truth #6]

Happy to see Jones continue to do well. He’s a bargain. His shot continues to improve. Never understood the hand wringing about him.

Trigger warning: Wesley has a higher ceiling but Jones gets to the rim almost as much and has way better touch and shot. Jones has a much better chance for having a long career.

[KingKev]

What are we thinking Tre Jones value will be this off-season?

I think he’s getting near MLE. 4 yrs 40mm. We matching that? He is an RFA remember.

[John B]

What are we thinking Tre Jones value will be this off-season?

I think he’s getting near MLE. 4 yrs 40mm. We matching that? He is an RFA remember.

That would be a steal if he goes with that. His brother Tyrus is making almost 15mil per year in two years. I think Tre would be better than him.

[rjv]

Happy to see Jones continue to do well. He’s a bargain. His shot continues to improve. Never understood the hand wringing about him.

Trigger warning: Wesley has a higher ceiling but Jones gets to the rim almost as much and has way better touch and shot. Jones has a much better chance for having a long career.

it's ST. some posters here 'hand wring' just to 'hand wring'.

[TD 21]

They'll probably give him equivalent to MLE money for 3 years to be the bastion of their precious "culture", with the understanding that he'll revert to a backup role when they draft a projected starter.

But despite his impressive +5.9 swing rating (more so a commentary of roster construction than his caliber), he's still a low volume (22.6%) and percentage (31.6%) 3-point shooter and a poor shooter in general (52.5% true shooting with league average around 57%), in addition to being a limited play maker and a physical liability defensively.

[slick'81]

They'll probably give him equivalent to MLE money for 3 years to be the bastion of their precious "culture", with the understanding that he'll revert to a backup role when they draft a projected starter.

But despite his impressive +5.9 swing rating (more so a commentary of roster construction than his caliber), he's still a low volume (22.6%) and percentage (31.6%) 3-point shooter and a poor shooter in general (52.5% true shooting with league average around 57%), in addition to being a limited play maker and a physical liability defensively.


definitely a solid backup

[Chinook]

RAPTOR still has Jones as an amazing defender for his position. I think he often fails to look the part by the "eye test", but last night was a showcase for him on that end. I don't think he's a liability in a more dynamic defensive scheme the way he would've been in the more iso-heavy era of last decade where teams looked to exploit mismatches. I have hopes the Spurs find a better starter, but I also don't think he's holding the team back right now.

[TD 21]

RAPTOR still has Jones as an amazing defender for his position. I think he often fails to look the part by the "eye test", but last night was a showcase for him on that end. I don't think he's a liability in a more dynamic defensive scheme the way he would've been in the more iso-heavy era of last decade where teams looked to exploit mismatches. I have hopes the Spurs find a better starter, but I also don't think he's holding the team back right now.

The whole game boils down to mismatches, especially in the playoffs, when virtually every small guard and big (and DeRozan) is repeatedly targeted in the p-n-r.

No matter how good someone of his stature is defensively, they obviously can't guard big guard/wing ball handlers out in space, nor back to the basket bigs in the post on the back half of the switch.

[Chinook]

The whole game boils down to mismatches, especially in the playoffs, when virtually every small guard and big (and DeRozan) is repeatedly targeted in the p-n-r.

Yeah, sure, last decade that was true. This decade, teams aren't going to break their offensive flow to go at a guy who's actually having a strong defensive year just because he's short. If someone is just bad at guarding the PnR or gets wasted by every screen. That's one thing. But Jones is the best iso defender on the team besides Poeltl. His DFG% is the best of the starters. It simply doesn't make sense to change your offense to attack Jones when Keldon and Vassell are both abysmal defenders, and McDermott is even worse. Tre is basically the last player on the entire team that deserves to be labeled a defensive liability.


No matter how good someone of his stature is defensively, they obviously can't guard big guard/wing ball handlers out in space, nor back to the basket bigs in the post on the back half of the switch.

Jones isn't a big guy, but he's not any smaller than most PGs. It's smart basketball to go after a size advantage if one falls into your lap, but nowadays, it's much harder to have a long iso possession to get into a good position because defenses are less stagnant. So a big wing might get on Jones but then be forced to pass once a double comes or has to worry about guys slipping in to dig or come over the top for a block. Jones himself showed plenty of value as a help defender last night doing similar things. The time where you could just get a Durant switch on Mills went out with the 2010s. Now, by the time Durant is getting the pass, a modern defense would already have someone running up behind to knock that ball out. It wouldn't always work, but it does mean that trying to do that over and over is going to grind an offense to a halt.

[TD 21]

Yeah, sure, last decade that was true. This decade, teams aren't going to break their offensive flow to go at a guy who's actually having a strong defensive year just because he's short. If someone is just bad at guarding the PnR or gets wasted by every screen. That's one thing. But Jones is the best iso defender on the team besides Poeltl. His DFG% is the best of the starters. It simply doesn't make sense to change your offense to attack Jones when Keldon and Vassell are both abysmal defenders, and McDermott is even worse. Tre is basically the last player on the entire team that deserves to be labeled a defensive liability.



Jones isn't a big guy, but he's not any smaller than most PGs. It's smart basketball to go after a size advantage if one falls into your lap, but nowadays, it's much harder to have a long iso possession to get into a good position because defenses are less stagnant. So a big wing might get on Jones but then be forced to pass once a double comes or has to worry about guys slipping in to dig or come over the top for a block. Jones himself showed plenty of value as a help defender last night doing similar things. The time where you could just get a Durant switch on Mills went out with the 2010s. Now, by the time Durant is getting the pass, a modern defense would already have someone running up behind to knock that ball out. It wouldn't always work, but it does mean that trying to do that over and over is going to grind an offense to a halt.

Says the guy who's admitted to not watching teams not named Spurs. Maybe so, but it still happens. Small guards in prominent roles only make sense in this era if they're offensive superstars or stars.

He clearly is. Being forced to double on the catch turns even sub par play makers into good ones when the reads are that easy. Are you referring to trying to scram (switch before a defender is dragged into a p-n-r?) If so, that's not always so easy and can spring other leaks.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1613344028694659073

[Mr. Body]

Kudos to Tre. Didn't think he'd be ready to run a team yet, but he's proven me wrong.

[Mnky]

He's literally one of the best performing guards from his draft class. Better than half of the first round taken before him. He was a steal then, and still is now. Said on draft night It'd be great for the spurs to have him be an occasional starter and career backup like patty mills was with his time with the spurs. However he may be playing his way off the team. The draft position will likely play a role in their valuation. Three very talented PGs in the top 10 this year. Two possible franchise players out of the gate.

[slick'81]

Resign him now before he gets paaaiddd

[CGD]

Resign him now before he gets paaaiddd

Absolutely. He goes top 12 if you redraft 2020 IMO. No brainer to sign him longer term this summer. He’s not the solution long term but he’ll be a value contract for many years.

[slick'81]

Absolutely. He goes top 12 if you redraft 2020 IMO. No brainer to sign him longer term this summer. He’s not the solution long term but he’ll be a value contract for many years.


hes very good. Like others have said at his draft position a freaking steak

[CGD]

hes very good. Like others have said at his draft position a freaking steak

Makes the Primo situation go down easier knowing the spurs probably drafted the 6th and 12th best players in the 2020 draft.