Senate passes bill to make Daylight Savings Time permanent

[Winehole23]

There was a permanent DST experiment in the early 1970s, two big gripes were that international aviation schedules got screwed up because we failed to inform foreign carriers about the change, and kids waiting in the dark for schoolbuses.

The bill would make DST permanent in 2023.

https://www.axios.com/daylight-saving-time-bill-senate-e391d97a-1a88-40eb-a42f-f8eb30f32136.html

[Blake]

Should have been passed 20 years ago.

[leemajors]

Rather have standard time permanent.

[Winehole23]

Should have been passed 20 years ago.I'm indifferent; I would welcome permanent standard time just the same. Switching back and forth has always felt screwy to me.

[Blake]

I'd rather have the daylight in the afternoon myself. I kinda like getting up in the dark and watching the sunrise

[Will Hunting]

I'm indifferent; I would welcome permanent standard time just the same. Switching back and forth has always felt screwy to me.
I miss that part of Arizona, not having to change the clocks twice a year.

[Adam Lambert]

I'm not a morning person so I don't care if it's light or dark in the morning, but I definitely prefer still having daylight at 6pm.

[baseline bum]

Wow this is actually going to become law. Thank god, I hate the time changes and how much it fucks with your body's internal clock for a week or two after every one.

[Reck]

Welcome to how shit is already done in the rest of the world.

:lol I always hated this shit.

[Ef-man]

There was a permanent DST experiment in the early 1970s, two big gripes were that international aviation schedules got screwed up because we failed to inform foreign carriers about the change, and kids waiting in the dark for schoolbuses.

The bill would make DST permanent in 2023.

https://www.axios.com/daylight-saving-time-bill-senate-e391d97a-1a88-40eb-a42f-f8eb30f32136.html

What about GMT? That would ensure biased US racial parity of blue states is removed.

Wait, no, I was playing with a Ouija board and channeling the evil spirit of a fat-handed poster "B."

[florige]

Wow this is actually going to become law. Thank god, I hate the time changes and how much it fucks with your body's internal clock for a week or two after every one.


Yup, it usually takes me a week to adjust to it

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah fuck standard time, I'm still getting adjusted to it right now, had a hard last few days sleep-cycle wise because of it.

Why not just make it applicable immediately instead of having fall-back in 2022? I don't get why they would wait two more cycles of clock-changing for it to take effect.


I miss that part of Arizona, not having to change the clocks twice a year.
Yeah but AZ uses standard time only not DST.

I wonder if this law would take effect for all 50 states including AZ, so AZ would have to observe DST all year round as well?


I'm indifferent; I would welcome permanent standard time just the same. Switching back and forth has always felt screwy to me.


Rather have standard time permanent.
Nah, fuck standard time. Fuck getting dark before 5pm in the winter time :lol


I'm not a morning person so I don't care if it's light or dark in the morning, but I definitely prefer still having daylight at 6pm.

I'd rather have the daylight in the afternoon myself. I kinda like getting up in the dark and watching the sunrise
Winner winner chicken dinner. Fuck it getting light too early and double fuck having to go inside at 5pm or 6pm depending on how far north you are. You end up feeling like going to bed too early and it messes up the daily routine.

[Thread]

I miss that part of Arizona, not having to change the clocks twice a year.

& we miss you, fart face.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Hopefully it will be permanent law effective across the USA including Arizona so I don't have to change my car clock every time I want to go to the Grand Canyon or Flagstaff or something. #Abolish the 10th.

This is a huge win for the upper North central time areas like Chicago, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Fargo, etc. more than anyone else probably. Getting dark at 4:25pm is the absolute pits if you've ever been in Wisconsin near or just before Christmas time like I have.

The bill passed the Senate unanimously, so if it passes the House with over 67% approval then it doesn't matter what Biden thinks of it.

[leemajors]

I'd rather have the daylight in the afternoon myself. I kinda like getting up in the dark and watching the sunrise

I'd rather not be charged "primetime" energy rates until 9 or 10 pm.

[Thread]

I'd rather not be charged "primetime" energy rates until 9 or 10 pm.

Christ, Lee, that's your first cogent post since like a long time.

Congratulations.

[Dirks_Finale]

Hooray, politicians finally doing something beneficial for our lives. :clap

[Will Hunting]

Yeah but AZ uses standard time only not DST.

I wonder if this law would take effect for all 50 states including AZ, so AZ would have to observe DST all year round as well?
I'm almost sure that if this law takes effect in all 50 states, AZ would just follow along. DST would become the new "standard time" so to speak.

I think the only reason AZ doesn't do DST is because it think the changing clocks twice a year shit is stupid while it's pretty indifferent to whether standard time or DST is what becomes the time year-round.

Arizona should actually go on DST full time too...one of the worst parts of AZ summers is how early in the day it'd get insufferably hot.

[Thread]

I'm almost sure that if this law takes effect in all 50 states, AZ would just follow along. DST would become the new "standard time" so to speak.

I think the only reason AZ doesn't do DST is because it think the changing clocks twice a year shit is stupid while it's pretty indifferent to whether standard time or DST is what becomes the time year-round.

Arizona should actually go on DST full time too...one of the worst parts of AZ summers is how early in the day it'd get insufferably hot.

...it's cooled somewhat since you took your hot air out of here, Will.

Bye.

[Thread]

People with kids need daylight. Adults not so much. Having a baby, we need more daylight to be outdoors and stuff. I agree as a family man.

Your poor wife.

[Thread]

I don't get checks from the government Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320). :lol

I'm short 2 of 'em myself. Your Biden copped 'em on a lie outta those 2 Georgia Senate races.

Big shot.

[koriwhat]

Wow such pressing issues.... Congress is a fucking waste and they all need to be indicted on fucking us Americans time and time again.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I'm almost sure that if this law takes effect in all 50 states, AZ would just follow along. DST would become the new "standard time" so to speak.

I think the only reason AZ doesn't do DST is because it think the changing clocks twice a year shit is stupid while it's pretty indifferent to whether standard time or DST is what becomes the time year-round.

Arizona should actually go on DST full time too...one of the worst parts of AZ summers is how early in the day it'd get insufferably hot.

I hope so, the sun woke me up too damn early when I stayed on Mount Humphreys peak last summer, and yeah... more daylight after work, more pool time in AZ hot summers just makes more sense than standard time all year.

But this local Arizona article seems to think otherwise:

https://www.azfamily.com/2022/03/15/senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent/

"
If passed, the legislation wouldn’t change anything in Arizona, except for the area within the Navajo Reservation, a small Navajo Nation territory within the Hopi Nation, and another Hopi area still observes DST. Daylight saving time resumed for most of the rest of America over the weekend, with people setting their clocks one hour ahead. Daylight time is in effect from 2 a.m. on the second Sunday in March through 2 a.m. on the first Sunday of November. Reuters reported if the bill is signed into law, the change will not take place until November 2023.
"

and this one doesn't mention AZ change one way or the other: https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/senate-votes-to-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent

[BackHome]

Yeah I just watched Rubio enter the bill for the Senate about freaking time someone did this but can you imagine it something as easy as this took this much time hopefully finally get passed as it still has to go through the house

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah I just watched Rubio enter the bill for the Senate about freaking time someone did this but can you imagine it something as easy as this took this much time hopefully finally get passed as it still has to go through the house

Rubio's been trying to get it done for years.

The House just need to pass with >~67% majority to override a possible Biden veto.

[Xevious]

I'm conflicted tbh. It's super hard to get kids to go to bed at 8pm in the summer when it's still daylight outside.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I'm conflicted tbh. It's super hard to get kids to go to bed at 8pm in the summer when it's still daylight outside.

Let them be normal human beings and have them go to bed at 10-11pm. Heck the strictest my family ever got with me was "go to bed by midnight on weeknights and 2am on weekends" when I was a kid tbh.

[DMC]

Let them be normal human beings and have them go to bed at 10-11pm. Heck the strictest my family ever got with me was "go to bed by midnight on weeknights and 2am on weekends" when I was a kid tbh.

And look how well you turned out.

[Winehole23]

yet here we are, years later, pondering the same question




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Have spent time (my editors might say too much) talking to lawmakers about the daylight fight.Here are a few handy things to know.1) Trump can't unilaterally end daylight saving time (or make it year-round). Congress has the power here, and the issue has historically split along unusual lines.
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2) Instead of partisan politics, those fights are driven more by regional factions. Often, coastal politicians have banded together to push for more Daylight Saving Time because of the local benefits of later sunsets — opposed by midwestern politicians worried about later sunrises.


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3) When you ask, about two-thirds of Americans say they dislike the clock changes and want to end them.And of those Americans, about half say they want permanent Daylight Saving Time instead — basically, we’d “spring forward” one final time and just be stuck there.But …


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4) We tried year-round Daylight Saving Time before, 50 years ago.And people hated it.There were reports of more car accidents, or kids waiting in dark for school buses. (I also think there was a bit of social contagion too.)Either way, Congress got the message and ended it 10 months later.

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Why people hated permanent daylight saving time when the U.S. last tried it
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/03/18/daylight-saving-seventies-history/)In 1974, Americans thought they would be eliminating an inconvenience and saving energy. Then the change went into effect (https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/03/18/daylight-saving-seventies-history/)

[Winehole23]

from the OP, the bill apparently was not passed in the House


What's next: Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.) will lead a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling for immediate House passage of his bill, Axios has learned.

[Winehole23]

stupid culture wars and bullshit like this, getting people stirred up over a more or less arbitrary change in clock setting

[Robz4000]

stupid culture wars and bullshit like this, getting people stirred up over a more or less arbitrary change in clock setting

Actually something I care about myself tbh. I hate Standard time with a vengeance.

[Blake]

The only plausible argument I've seen is kids walking to school in the morning in the cold dark. I'm not sure that's enough of an argument though.

I love daylight savings/ hate standard time myself too

[Winehole23]

Actually something I care about myself tbh. I hate Standard time with a vengeance.I'm agnostic, y'all please just make up your minds and no backs

[ChumpDumper]

Just pick one and go with it. If we don't like the time things start, change the start time -- not time itself.

[Thread]

stupid culture wars and bullshit like this, getting people stirred up over a more or less arbitrary change in clock setting

I heartily agree, Winester.

[GAustex]

I prefer later sunset in winter when the weather is nice
I prefer earlier sunset in summer when it is infernally hot in Texas.
The exact opposite of what we have now

[Millennial_Messiah]

The only plausible argument I've seen is kids walking to school in the morning in the cold dark. I'm not sure that's enough of an argument though.

I love daylight savings/ hate standard time myself too

I've always thought that particular argument was stupid. That's what buses and parents are for, and not everyone (actually more than half don't these days) have/has kids.

The original argument about international times and flights being screwed up made sense back in the day, but now with advanced technology and global communications that isn't a problem.


Actually something I care about myself tbh. I hate Standard time with a vengeance.

Yeah, 5pm sunsets are godawful. There's no reason the sun should be getting up so darn early in the winter, either.

"Standard time" just makes for more dogshit mornings and afternoons staring into the sun on the way to and from work as a commuter, too.

[Winehole23]

Just pick one and go with it. If we don't like the time things start, change the start time -- not time itself.Makes sense. Adjust scheduling instead of the clock.

[rascal]

I've always thought that particular argument was stupid. That's what buses and parents are for, and not everyone (actually more than half don't these days) have/has kids.

The original argument about international times and flights being screwed up made sense back in the day, but now with advanced technology and global communications that isn't a problem.



Yeah, 5pm sunsets are godawful. There's no reason the sun should be getting up so darn early in the winter, either.

"Standard time" just makes for more dogshit mornings and afternoons staring into the sun on the way to and from work as a commuter, too.

I like standard time better. I don't care if it gets dark an hour earlier. No need for it to stay light until 8:30 pm or 9:00 pm in the summer. Those in Texas should want less sunlight and heat after work in the summer.

[Blake]

Just pick one and go with it. If we don't like the time things start, change the start time -- not time itself.

That's too easy