Watson to the Drowns

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://nypost.com/2022/03/18/deshaun-watson-being-traded-to-cleveland-browns/

Fully guaranteed 5 year / 230 million contract (46M per year, third-place to Rodgers and Mahomes). A lot of cheddar to a guy who might get suspended for "personal conduct" by Goodell.

Baker Mayfield, we'll see where he goes, but he's still a starting QB in this league somewhere.

[InRareForm]

Content with the trade. Hopefully he gets suspended and the Browns have a sucky season, that next year pick is atop 10. The leverage was too strong with the ntc. Glad the perv is not Houstons problem anymore.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

QB graveyard

[Blake]

Lol at what the browns gave up and paid to get him.

Pretty clear the way to win these days is with a young cheap QB. Once you overpay the QB your chances go way down, Brady being one of the few exceptions

[Millennial_Messiah]

Lol at what the browns gave up and paid to get him.

Pretty clear the way to win these days is with a young cheap QB. Once you overpay the QB your chances go way down, Brady being one of the few exceptions

Exactly. Either you get a Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Allen tier QB and pay him top dollar and contend every year..., or, you get a Prescott, Lamar Jackson, Watson, Cousins second-tier type of QB and ideally trade him for as many resources and top end picks as you can and do what you can to draft your next QB of the future hoping he's the second coming, meanwhile otherwise drafting BPA and keeping your team stocked with top end talent around the QB position so you stay competitive even if you have to spend a year with a "bridge" QB.

There is such an enormous drop-off from tier 1 QB's to tier 2 QBs that it is the best interest of any franchise to do this and not to pay a tier 2 QB tier 1 money just to "be competitive" when you're never going to actually get over the hump.

Matthew Stafford and the Rams is an exception though at least Stafford's contract isn't quite as ridiculous and they had a top end list of mercenaries that went to LA to win a ring this past year, that won't happen again for a long time.

[Trainwreck2100]

Lol at what the browns gave up and paid to get him.

Pretty clear the way to win these days is with a young cheap QB. Once you overpay the QB your chances go way down, Brady being one of the few exceptions

KC bout to find that out

[FrostKing]

Just need to win 1. No team is winning multiple rings anytime soon. Even the proclaimed Dynasty Chiefs have 1 and it came from a SB they were outplayed for 3.5 Quarters

[Raven]

worst deal ever

[Blake]

worst deal ever

Could be a Herschel walker extinction level event

[Will Hunting]

Lol at what the browns gave up and paid to get him.

Pretty clear the way to win these days is with a young cheap QB. Once you overpay the QB your chances go way down, Brady being one of the few exceptions
Brady isn't even really the exception either, he always took pay cuts and restructured his contract whenever New England needed him to. IIRC his cap hit with Tampa this year is only gonna be like $20mm too, basically half of what the cap hit is for other elite tier QBs.

Having a wife worth half a billion dollars has its advantages.

[Blake]

Brady isn't even really the exception either, he always took pay cuts and restructured his contract whenever New England needed him to. IIRC his cap hit with Tampa this year is only gonna be like $20mm too, basically half of what the cap hit is for other elite tier QBs.

Having a wife worth half a billion dollars has its advantages.

Good point. Forgot about all his restructuring

[Millennial_Messiah]

Brady isn't even really the exception either, he always took pay cuts and restructured his contract whenever New England needed him to. IIRC his cap hit with Tampa this year is only gonna be like $20mm too, basically half of what the cap hit is for other elite tier QBs.

Having a wife worth half a billion dollars has its advantages.
If he really wanted a super team he could reduce his cap hit to like $2M for this year and then the Bucs can just admit to sucking paying the dead money after he actually retires. Or Brady can agree to a paycut or a stretch provision at that time, because let's face it, he doesn't really need the money.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Could be a Herschel walker extinction level event

Mhmm. Georgia. I have this bet with Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) that my slave Herschel is gonna take down his slave Rafe in the senate race this November.

But seriously, the Vikings were not going anywhere if they hadn't traded those picks. Dallas was still going to be terrible for another year and had already picked Aikman, so they were already on the upward trajectory.

[Will Hunting]

If he really wanted a super team he could reduce his cap hit to like $2M for this year and then the Bucs can just admit to sucking paying the dead money after he actually retires. Or Brady can agree to a paycut or a stretch provision at that time, because let's face it, he doesn't really need the money.
I think the Bucs are already slated to have a $16 million cap hit in '24 if Brady plays out the next 2 years and then retires.

The way he's handling it is reasonable imo, I wouldn't expect Brady to throw away the $20 million he's making.

Kinda curious if he tries to persuade Edelman to make a comeback, there's no way that Edelman wouldn't at least consider it.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think the Bucs are already slated to have a $16 million cap hit in '24 if Brady plays out the next 2 years and then retires.

The way he's handling it is reasonable imo, I wouldn't expect Brady to throw away the $20 million he's making.

Kinda curious if he tries to persuade Edelman to make a comeback, there's no way that Edelman wouldn't at least consider it.

:lol He'll be 36 this spring and he's been out of the league a couple years. He suffered a lot of concussions and other misc injuries during his career. That won't happen. They're better off pursuing someone similar like Beasley or better yet, sign Jarvis Landry and keep developing Scotty Miller to be that Edelman 2.0 guy.

[Blake]

Mhmm. Georgia. I have this bet with Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) that my slave Herschel is gonna take down his slave Rafe in the senate race this November.

But seriously, the Vikings were not going anywhere if they hadn't traded those picks. Dallas was still going to be terrible for another year and had already picked Aikman, so they were already on the upward trajectory.

Minnesota thought they were the one piece short of being in the SB.

One of those first round picks was Emmitt but they really beefed up the lines. Aikman had all day and Smith had gaping holes.

[MultiTroll]

2017 forward Won Bowl or In Bowl
Foles
Stafford
Garrapalo
Matt Ryan
Goff

:lmao Ya Andy you need to pay a top tier ungodly money, that is the only way.

Reality is you need a good team also. In Bradys case, good team + refs.

[SpursforSix]

:lol He'll be 36 this spring and he's been out of the league a couple years. He suffered a lot of concussions and other misc injuries during his career. That won't happen. They're better off pursuing someone similar like Beasley or better yet, sign Jarvis Landry and keep developing Scotty Miller to be that Edelman 2.0 guy.

I don't know why they even want another slot WR. Godwin is great there. Unless they want to move him outside opposite of Evans and get him more downfield looks. And they just gave him a pretty good payday.
Although I'm not sure if Godwin will be ready for Game 1.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don't know why they even want another slot WR. Godwin is great there. Unless they want to move him outside opposite of Evans and get him more downfield looks. And they just gave him a pretty good payday.
Although I'm not sure if Godwin will be ready for Game 1.

And besides Scotty Miller is still that Wes Welker guy

[SpursforSix]

And besides Scotty Miller is still that Wes Welker guy

Just because he's white? Miller is a burner but he's short. With Godwin, Evans, and Gage, I don't know how Miller or Tyler Johnson sees much playing time. But as the 4th and 5th WR, they're pretty stacked.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Just because he's white? Miller is a burner but he's short. With Godwin, Evans, and Gage, I don't know how Miller or Tyler Johnson sees much playing time. But as the 4th and 5th WR, they're pretty stacked.

Gage will be replacing AB in essence, but Tampa uses a lot of receivers. Miller was the guy who caught the Brady hail mary at halftime that ended up being the difference in beating the Packers in that snow game

We also don't know if Gronk is coming back and OJ Howard went to Buffalo so all the Bucs have for now at tight end is Cam Brate. Could see a lot of 4 WR sets which Brady has been historically fantastic with.

[SpursforSix]

Gage will be replacing AB in essence, but Tampa uses a lot of receivers. Miller was the guy who caught the Brady hail mary at halftime that ended up being the difference in beating the Packers in that snow game

We also don't know if Gronk is coming back and OJ Howard went to Buffalo so all the Bucs have for now at tight end is Cam Brate. Could see a lot of 4 WR sets which Brady has been historically fantastic with.

Yeah...but you said Miller was their Wes Welker guy.

[leemajors]

Yeah...but you said Miller was their Wes Welker guy.

Felt like banging your head against a wall today?

[SpursforSix]

Felt like banging your head against a wall today?

Lol. I'm not sure why I bother.

[SpursforSix]

Gage will be replacing AB in essence, but Tampa uses a lot of receivers. Miller was the guy who caught the Brady hail mary at halftime that ended up being the difference in beating the Packers in that snow game

We also don't know if Gronk is coming back and OJ Howard went to Buffalo so all the Bucs have for now at tight end is Cam Brate. Could see a lot of 4 WR sets which Brady has been historically fantastic with.

BTW...here's the highlights from the infamous "snow game" you mentioned.

Ah...video unavailable. Anyway...spoiler...no snow.

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[SpursforSix]

BTW...here's the highlights from the infamous "snow game" you mentioned.

Ah...video unavailable. Anyway...spoiler...no snow.

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I take it back. There's some snow behind the end zone.https://football.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20210130/SPORTS/210139960/AR/0/AR-210139960.jpg&updated=202101301452&MaxW=900&maxH=900&noborder&Q=80

[Millennial_Messiah]

Lol at what the browns gave up and paid to get him.

Pretty clear the way to win these days is with a young cheap QB. Once you overpay the QB your chances go way down, Brady being one of the few exceptions

Brady is underpaid, but having a full-price QB is in general only worth it if you have one of the Tier 1 qb's (Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Manning... Allen/Burrow?) if you overpay for a tier 2 QB you'll be a perennially middling team with an occasional good year but not good enough to win the Super Bowl.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I take it back. There's some snow behind the end zone.https://football.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20210130/SPORTS/210139960/AR/0/AR-210139960.jpg&updated=202101301452&MaxW=900&maxH=900&noborder&Q=80

It wasn't as snowy as this year's Packer playoff game that's for sure. But both were bitter cold and Rodgers screwed the pooch.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah...but you said Miller was their Wes Welker guy.

Miller was absolutely headed on that trajectory last year until AB appeared and well... AB being the prima donna diva he is, needs his daily quota of snaps and targets to keep pacified. So Miller was mostly relegated to WR4, but he has the potential to be one of the game's next great WR3's.

IIRC AB didn't play in the Packers conference title victory. Who knows if AB runs the right route if it's him in that spot instead of Miller. Maybe Brady throws a pick 6 instead because AB cuts inside thinking it's a post. Who knows. AB had all the talent in the world but a very low-IQ player.

[Isitjustme?]

Lmao

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