The Case For and Against Re-signing Lonnie Walker IV

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/should-san-antonio-spurs-re-sign-lonnie-walker-iv/

It's a tough call, tbh. I can be swayed either way. But I think the situation will be a lot clearer after the draft.

ICYMI: Was the Spurs Season a Success? (https://www.spurstalk.com/san-antonio-spurs-season-success-questions-answered/)

[ducks]

I would try to get a pick for him and let him walk
He is to up and down
He needs to be more consistent
He can have a bad game but he has more bad games then good ones

[ducks]

It would be inserting if Becky was more responsible for improving Murray then pop

[DPG21920]

I really hope Doug and Richardson are traded for picks. Richardson because his value is likely higher than it will ever be and Doug because he isn’t good and needs to be off the books for a do over.

Then Lonnie can be kept as long as it’s not a crazy deal (4/40 or 3/30)

[ducks]

5 for 35 if kepted
Spurs option after 3

[SAGirl]

Good article :toast:toast
I shared my thoughts about him in the Walker extension thread. I have a question for you, how do you interpret his minutes limitation in the play in game. I assume it’s the back but him liking those twitter comments about him getting more playing time due to his scoring ability introduced doubts.

[siraulo23]

close call, id say let him go

[objective]

I say let him walk. I don't even know what kind of contract another team would give him. Could he get the full MLE? I wouldn't be surprised if he has to take less

No room in the roster, no guaranteed role. Time to wish him well and move on.

[Dejounte]

His minutes during the play-in is the biggest indicator that he is gone.

[Robz4000]

I really hope Doug and Richardson are traded for picks. Richardson because his value is likely higher than it will ever be and Doug because he isn’t good and needs to be off the books for a do over.

Then Lonnie can be kept as long as it’s not a crazy deal (4/40 or 3/30)

Agree on McDipshit but disagree on Richardson; the latter fits well with this group. Also wouldn't go beyond $8mil/year for Lonnie tbh.

[KingKev]

Hopefully gone. ~6.5mm QO triggers a cap hold of ~13mm complicating our free agency. Someone will make an offer more than we are willing to pay probably in the area of 8-10 million and I’d hope we let him walk at that point.

For the ppl who think we should sign and trade him that is a very remote possibility as once he signs an offer sheet with a team you can’t than match and sign and trade him to that team as he is an RFA. Also I doubt he has any trade value to begin with.

[duncan2150]

We have the best version of Lonnie with the Spurs at the end of the year, it will be strange to let him go now that he's improving ( better at the rim, better passer), offcourse for a reasonable price.

Agreed about the flaws, he's a scorer of the bench and you don't give him more than MLE type of salary for 2/3 years and then you see.

[4lifecowboy]

Personally I believe Pop tends to favor players based on his personal relationship/chemistry with the individual
It was clear to me that Lonnie has a higher ceiling than White and should have been invested in more early on. I'm glad Manu came along, he seemed to have convinced Walker to play to his strengths and not let pressure of trying to confirm to the version of the player Pop may envision. With White gone, and the freedom to be the primary scorer on the second unit I think he has found his niche. Would love to keep him.

[CGD]

Let the market set his price, and if reasonable (no more than MLE range) match it.

[Dverde]

What’s wrong with Lonnie is between the ears. Nice kid, but it’s time to go. I wouldn’t hate a 1 year deal if we are unable to do anything better with the cap space

[dbestpro]

If I am Lonnie I would go somewhere else for a fresh start. I would get away from Pop as fast as I could. Maybe go to the Lakers who need the athleticism.

[RC_Drunkford]

He should be gone and I won't miss him one bit. 6.3 million is his qualifying offer, I'd match and if somebody offers more Adios

[exstatic]

I really hope Doug and Richardson are traded for picks. Richardson because his value is likely higher than it will ever be and Doug because he isn’t good and needs to be off the books for a do over.

Then Lonnie can be kept as long as it’s not a crazy deal (4/40 or 3/30)

No one is going to absorb them into cap room, meaning contracts coming back, meaning no extra room to re-sign Lonnie.

[exstatic]

I say let him walk. I don't even know what kind of contract another team would give him. Could he get the full MLE? I wouldn't be surprised if he has to take less

No room in the roster, no guaranteed role. Time to wish him well and move on.

No one wanted to trade for him at $4.5M at the deadline.

[exstatic]

If I am Lonnie I would go somewhere else for a fresh start. I would get away from Pop as fast as I could. Maybe go to the Lakers who need the athleticism.

Lakers only want olds.

[bluebellmaniac]

Personally I believe Pop tends to favor players based on his personal relationship/chemistry with the individual
It was clear to me that Lonnie has a higher ceiling than White and should have been invested in more early on. I'm glad Manu came along, he seemed to have convinced Walker to play to his strengths and not let pressure of trying to confirm to the version of the player Pop may envision. With White gone, and the freedom to be the primary scorer on the second unit I think he has found his niche. Would love to keep him.

Here's the thing. The problem with Lonnie is his BBIQ. He doesn't have the desire or drive to figure out the rotations, etc. When it takes the FO having to decline an extension to get him to work, the decision is already made. The fact is at that point, if you do re-sign him, he'll just fall back to his average after you sign him.

You don't re-sign him at this point, but if a sign &trade is there or if you can help him in some way, you do it, because that is who we are and that's our reputation.

We wish him the best.

[exstatic]

Lonnie, with his first step, is like that NFL WR who runs a 4.3 40yd, but balls bounce off his hands. Athleticism isn’t the be all/ end all. It’s nice if it’s part of a complete package, but in this case it isn’t. His offense is his best attribute, and even that is awfully inefficient. His defense is Forbes level bad.

[mo7888]

I really hope Doug and Richardson are traded for picks. Richardson because his value is likely higher than it will ever be and Doug because he isn’t good and needs to be off the books for a do over.

Then Lonnie can be kept as long as it’s not a crazy deal (4/40 or 3/30)

I'm torn on this....my default position has been to do just that but, I kinda feel like we are entering a DJ timeline where we need to cash in a pick and a young player for a win-now player and push for a real playoff spot next season. In that scenario keeping Richardson makes sense (I'm assuming Doug would be part of the package to acquire said win-now player as salary ballast).

[DPG21920]

No one is going to absorb them into cap room, meaning contracts coming back, meaning no extra room to re-sign Lonnie.

Disagree - especially on Richardson. And if you don’t believe anyone would absorb Doug that’s further proof it was a really bad signing.

But I’m assuming he still has plus value so even if Sa had to give a second to dump him it’s not a big deal.

Lonnie can be kept regardless; SA has his rights. I was more talking minutes justifications, not money regarding Lonnie

[DPG21920]

I'm torn on this....my default position has been to do just that but, I kinda feel like we are entering a DJ timeline where we need to cash in a pick and a young player for a win-now player and push for a real playoff spot next season. In that scenario keeping Richardson makes sense (I'm assuming Doug would be part of the package to acquire said win-now player as salary ballast).

I think Richardson has more value so he is who I would use either way. Overall I just think that while Richardson was great, his value may never be higher and if you can get a FRP for him or use him + a pick to net a better player then I would take that value vs extending him etc

Doug, I think still has some value to teams but his money just needs to be reset either by trading him to a team with cap space or used in a deal as you mentioned.

But I can see something where Sa trades Richardson for a FRP and then uses Doug in a deal where they give up a 2nd (so net out an extra first for a second and uses the money a bit wiser)

[DPG21920]

I would love to see Doug’s salary used to get someone like John Collins if that’s available. Or sent to Bulls for Lavine in a sign and trade etc

[MannyIsGod]

Disagree - especially on Richardson. And if you don’t believe anyone would absorb Doug that’s further proof it was a really bad signing.

But I’m assuming he still has plus value so even if Sa had to give a second to dump him it’s not a big deal.

Lonnie can be kept regardless; SA has his rights. I was more talking minutes justifications, not money regarding Lonnie

I'm skeptical we can dump Doug for a pick without taking money back, and I do tend to think that keeping Doug lowers the chance of keeping Lonnie since you can only have so many players that aren't even poor defenders (as in they are worse than poor). I 100% think we can get something of value back for Richardson since his contract is pretty damn friendly and he played great. Listening to his last press conference, he seemed to want to stay, but it also seemed like he knew he wasn't going to stay. Not sure if thats just the awareness of being a vet who's moved around the league a bit or if the Spurs had told him their plans.

Anyway, I pretty much agree with you fully on this subject.

EDIT: Either way, the collection of contracts and assets the Spurs currently have along with cap space really makes them super flexible and able to jump on nearly any opportunity this summer. Its a nice spot to be in.

[DPG21920]

I'm skeptical we can dump Doug for a pick without taking money back, and I do tend to think that keeping Doug lowers the chance of keeping Lonnie since you can only have so many players that aren't even poor defenders (as in they are worse than poor). I 100% think we can get something of value back for Richardson since his contract is pretty damn friendly and he played great. Listening to his last press conference, he seemed to want to stay, but it also seemed like he knew he wasn't going to stay. Not sure if thats just the awareness of being a vet who's moved around the league a bit or if the Spurs had told him their plans.

Anyway, I pretty much agree with you fully on this subject.

EDIT: Either way, the collection of contracts and assets the Spurs currently have along with cap space really makes them super flexible and able to jump on nearly any opportunity this summer. Its a nice spot to be in.

Yup. And I’m just of the mindset that Sa should be looking for every opportunity to obtain assets - especially for those not in long term plans. So while that means sometimes losing a good player like Richardson short term, it’s worth it because a FRP (if they can get that) is too valuable to pass up especially when Sa has other picks + cap space to replace him

You don’t dump him for no reason but should be aggressive in shopping him if value is solid imo.

I think dumping Doug and getting no money back would cost a pick if Sa needed to do that for cap space to sign someone but most likely I think he could be used in a deal for another player. Worst case would take a 2nd so no biggie especially if you get a first for Richardson

[KingKev]

I din’t see how McLovin’ and Walker’s situation are related other than that they can’t really share the floor much. We could sign all 4 rookies and give Walker 8mm and still have 20m to spend. No need to dump Doug but I suspect if you wanted out of his contract it will cost you an SRP atleast to straight up salary dump and there are few teams who even have the cap space to absorb him.

I hope neither play another game as a Spur, hopefully Doug’s contract can be used as part of a bigger trade.

This thread is getting of topic but in the unlikely event we need to clear cap space we have tons of levers to pull in JRich, McLovin, Collins, Landale and KBD.

[mo7888]

I think Richardson has more value so he is who I would use either way. Overall I just think that while Richardson was great, his value may never be higher and if you can get a FRP for him or use him + a pick to net a better player then I would take that value vs extending him etc

Doug, I think still has some value to teams but his money just needs to be reset either by trading him to a team with cap space or used in a deal as you mentioned.

But I can see something where Sa trades Richardson for a FRP and then uses Doug in a deal where they give up a 2nd (so net out an extra first for a second and uses the money a bit wiser)

I'm fine with moving Josh for a 1st or preferably a better player. As for Doug, I don't see him as anything more than salary ballast, where we could package him, plus a pick or two (depending on who ends up on the market) , plus a young player so the salaries + our cap space brings in a near max type of guy.

[mo7888]

I would love to see Doug’s salary used to get someone like John Collins if that’s available. Or sent to Bulls for Lavine in a sign and trade etc

That's the kind of deal I'm looking for with Doug....

[Trueblood]

If I am Lonnie I would go somewhere else for a fresh start. I would get away from Pop as fast as I could. Maybe go to the Lakers who need the athleticism.

Lakers could use some young legs, but their biggest need is shooting

[Uriel]

I still remember when the Spurs tried to trade up to get Lonnie in the draft, only for him to fall unexpectedly into their laps.

[John B]

Good read. I agree. I wouldn’t be surprised if Lonnie is gone, the way other teams value Spurs players, especially with the highflying dunks that other team commentators are left in awe. To me he’s a perfect 6th man, and shouldn’t be expected more. As mentioned, he’sca good character on and off the court, humble and a teamplayer. If not for his atrocious defense, he’d be a keeper. Again players like Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford carved up a career, and multiple 6th-man awards, as scorers with little defense.

I agree the draft will tell a lot. I expect them to draft the BPA. But it wouldn’t be a surprised if it’s a SG/SF for the Boston pick. I would hate to see Lonnie go. He’s one of the players I root for. I think he’s made the turn and will just continue to improve. I wish him all the best.

[wildbill2u]

Lonnie, with his first step, is like that NFL WR who runs a 4.3 40yd, but balls bounce off his hands. Athleticism isn’t the be all/ end all. It’s nice if it’s part of a complete package, but in this case it isn’t. His offense is his best attribute, and even that is awfully inefficient. His defense is Forbes level bad.

Probably too late in his career here with the Spurs, but if the coaches had been able to turn that athleticism into something decent on DEFENSE, he would have been a better player for us. Maybe he resisted working on it, or no one saw it as an opportunity for him, but he's got hops and looks very strong, both attributes that could be used to increase his value to any team that needs rebounding and tough defense against SFs and Guards. Unfortunately, there are very few players who see themselves as defensive specialists first, and take what offensive opportunities come their way.

I don't see any rush to make a decision on him. He can test the market, and we can test his potential trade value.

[exstatic]

Probably too late in his career here with the Spurs, but if the coaches had been able to turn that athleticism into something decent on DEFENSE, he would have been a better player for us. Maybe he resisted working on it, or no one saw it as an opportunity for him, but he's got hops and looks very strong, both attributes that could be used to increase his value to any team that needs rebounding and tough defense against SFs and Guards. Unfortunately, there are very few players who see themselves as defensive specialists first, and take what offensive opportunities come their way.

I don't see any rush to make a decision on him. He can test the market, and we can test his potential trade value.

It depends what the Spurs plans are with the cap room. If they’re just looking at renting some, and a MLE signing or two, then I agree with you. If they’re going to roll the dice on someone like Lavine, that has to happen fast, like hours, and Lonnie’s $13M cap hold will have to be resolved by a dirt cheap contract, or renouncing his rights in the first day or two of FA.

[TD 21]

At the time they were drafted, I had higher hopes for him than any of the next generation (beginning with Murray), but I've been done with him for a while and I hope they are too.

He's had four years and as R. DeMurre alluded to in the other thread about him, the notion that he's dramatically improved post White trade is mostly false. He's still a net negative despite some progression to the mean shooting wise.

It's also time to move away from his personality type. Primo noted in conversation with Richardson in a recent clip on Spurs social media about how he's essentially injected the team with more confidence/swagger.

[timvp]

I have a question for you, how do you interpret his minutes limitation in the play in game. I assume it’s the back but him liking those twitter comments about him getting more playing time due to his scoring ability introduced doubts.

Could have been his back injury. More likely it's just that Josh Richardson is better than him, if we're being honest.

In that particular game, getting more offense on the court could have been useful. But Pop was miffed about the "lack of grunt" and Walker is the most grunt-less player on the roster ....... so, yeah, he wasn't what Pop was looking for.

[timvp]

I say let him walk. I don't even know what kind of contract another team would give him.
Yeah, this is tough to say. I'll write about it at some point but I think MLE has to be his max, right? I can't imagine a team out there wanting to spend their cap space on LW4 -- but I guess it's possible.

[timvp]

Hopefully gone. ~6.5mm QO triggers a cap hold of ~13mm complicating our free agency. Someone will make an offer more than we are willing to pay probably in the area of 8-10 million and I’d hope we let him walk at that point.

For the ppl who think we should sign and trade him that is a very remote possibility as once he signs an offer sheet with a team you can’t than match and sign and trade him to that team as he is an RFA. Also I doubt he has any trade value to begin with.

Yeah depending on what the Spurs plan to do in free agency, it's possible that their first step is renouncing Walker's qualifying offer. That'd also be doing Walker a favor because unrestricted free agents are in much higher demand than restricted free agents. As we all know, the Spurs aren't above giving players like Walker that kind of parting gift.


Probably too late in his career here with the Spurs, but if the coaches had been able to turn that athleticism into something decent on DEFENSE, he would have been a better player for us. Maybe he resisted working on it, or no one saw it as an opportunity for him, but he's got hops and looks very strong, both attributes that could be used to increase his value to any team that needs rebounding and tough defense against SFs and Guards. The coaches really, really tried. That's been the focus since his rookie season.

Walker's poor defense isn't a lack of coaching or even a lack of effort. He just doesn't process the game fast enough and lacks a basic feel of how to play the game. Some players can see two or three movements ahead and are seemingly always in the right spot (think Horry, Ginobili, Diaw, etc.). Walker is the opposite. He's usually two or three movements behind where he should be on defense, unfortunately. Some things you can't teach or learn -- and that type of advanced spatial awareness is one of them, IMO.

[Mr. Body]

I just don't know what other options there are. No one else on the team is a slasher, where he's actually good, if he doesn't do anything else well. Last year there were scorers available deeper in the draft, where there don't seem to be many in this one. (Instead there are lots of forwards and combo guards who can't shoot.)

[Mr. Body]

Actually, there may be a guy like Blake Wesley available with a later pick. In that case, I could see letting Walker go. No sense in throwing good money after bad, and best just start anew.

[SAGirl]

Could have been his back injury. More likely it's just that Josh Richardson is better than him, if we're being honest.

In that particular game, getting more offense on the court could have been useful. But Pop was miffed about the "lack of grunt" and Walker is the most grunt-less player on the roster ....... so, yeah, he wasn't what Pop was looking for.
Thanks for answering. A guy like this then, is not someone they want back unless it’s in a short deal to include as salary ballast in a trade or something. There are scenarios where he’s back because the situation is very fluid but I also know Pop has been gradually shedding players he’s relied on in the past that don’t help in the win column. I bet he’d rather pay Forbes and bring him back if he needs bench scoring because he’s more efficient offensively and still a sieve and no I am not advocating for Forbes but you see how there’s only a small offer in the table for Lonnie.

[tbdog]

I'm surprised of Lonnie defensive stats there. My eye sees his one on one D was above average.

[Larry O]

I think that Primo could be the X-factor here, as to what LW4'S fate with the Spurs will be, along with the draft picks and who will the Spurs be signing as a BIG free agent. Next season, I can see Primo moving to the 2nd unit for the time being, and if he takes a big leap in his improvement, he'll be the focal point in scoring. Primo definitely has better upside than Walker at this point. I'm sure that PATFO is already aware of this by now, and may already have it already planned out (?). :corn:

[Slippy]

As others have said there really is no spurs player capable of doing what Lonnie can provide athletically on the drive. Thats a big reason to sign him.

Timvps points are mostly valid. Dont agree with the assertion Lonnies not good at getting to the line. This season when attacking the rim, hes displayed a good knack at drawing fouls, just not good at shooting them at a high clip.

Theres been improvment on d when it comes to on ball defense, on getting steals and helping on rebounds. Numbers might not say it but thankfully they have eyes. Theyll keep in mind theres still some growth to come. People forget Lonnie spent only 1 year in college .

They'll remember the standout games and what he done when playing meaningful mins alongside competent bigs. Also the fact, he playing out of posi micro ball forcing him to guard bigger players happens alot.

If they went by numbers only, they be dumb enough to think his defense is Bryn Forbes level.

Just dont overpay and would hate to lose J Rich because it had to be 1 or the other. Josh is spurs material.

[Dejounte]

Like with everything about Lonnie, his performance on defense is only good in spurts

on one play, he looks like he’s staying in front of his man and hounding him like Pat Bev

…and on the next he commits the most egregious and 1 foul that could have easily been avoided if he was smarter

i didn’t need stats to tell me this, but I’m glad it at least supports it. (though stats are never always something to rely on for truly good performance or truly bad performance like how some misuse it)

on those games against the Pelicans early on in the regular season, someone was saying Lonnie was the best defender against Ingram. I want whatever that dude was smoking. Lonnie looks the part most times because he’s athletic, but opposing players consistently score over him.

[Dejounte]

Actually, there may be a guy like Blake Wesley available with a later pick. In that case, I could see letting Walker go. No sense in throwing good money after bad, and best just start anew.

Exactly. Some may be attached to Lonnie because of his Jordanesque hops and hang time, but people will be surprised how many options we have in the draft as far as a new guard to wow us with his athleticism… Wesley and Procida. Hoping for one of those two.

[Dejounte]

Actually, there may be a guy like Blake Wesley available with a later pick. In that case, I could see letting Walker go. No sense in throwing good money after bad, and best just start anew.

Exactly. Some may be attached to Lonnie because of his Jordanesque hops and hang time, but people will be surprised how many options we have in the draft as far as a new guard to wow us with his athleticism… Wesley and Procida. Hoping for one of those two.

[exstatic]

I'm surprised of Lonnie defensive stats there. My eye sees his one on one D was above average.

His team defense is an atrocious mix of getting picked off and blown rotations. They put him on the ball, because it’s where he can do the least damage. It’s probably the same issue as his offense, where he just doesn’t mentally process quickly enough.

[KingKev]

I actually think the reason Pop pulled him/limited his minutes in the play-in game after-going 5-9 and 2-4 from 3 was because he knew anytime Walker produces like he is due for a 1-7 stretch lol. CIA Pop.

I’ll be very happy to see him go.

[rankingtear]

Pop hides Lonnie in corners when he is off ball and tells him not to rotate. Somehow he still loses his man. Happened in 2 play in game already , so you know that shit is hopeless.

[dbestpro]

I see Walker out the door due to failure to meet expectations and I see Primo in a few years being the same. Vassel is the keeper.

[CGD]

Do we know whether Lonnie can be aggregated with another Spur player in a S&T? Or would he have to go out alone like DDR last summer?

[KingKev]

Do we know whether Lonnie can be aggregated with another Spur player in a S&T? Or would he have to go out alone like DDR last summer?

Good question. Doubt he could be aggregated but couldn’t find anything on google.

[The Truth #6]

It's best for Lonnie to leave for his own sake. Regardless, I could see him asking to be released from his QO very quickly in the off season process when they don't get a salary number that they like or, you know, we draft another guard.

[couchman]

I don't see there being room for Lonnie unless he is wiling to give a big "hometown" discount.

He is a good guy and a tremendous talent who can sometimes be instant offense.
Unfortunately the basketball IQ has always been noticeably lacking on both offense and defense.
I wish him well regardless of what happens.

[MultiTroll]

Title reminded me of
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
:lol

[superbigtime]

i like keeping Primo, Richardson, and McBuckets. Lonnie is just likeable but dumb and poor defense. Can't keep a guy like that, despite the other assets.

[Biggems]

If Lonnie were to leave, where would you want him to go?

I know I don't want him with any of the main west contenders, nor the Lakers and Clippers. I feel he would do really well with a team like Atlanta or Orlando. I could also see him having some success with the Knicks.

If he becomes a FA, he should try to go to Denver, PHX, GS, Atl, or Miami.

[Dex]

If Lonnie were to leave, where would you want him to go?

I know I don't want him with any of the main west contenders, nor the Lakers and Clippers. I feel he would do really well with a team like Atlanta or Orlando. I could also see him having some success with the Knicks.

If he becomes a FA, he should try to go to Denver, PHX, GS, Atl, or Miami.

If Lonnie leaves, it will be really interesting to see if Pop and the Spurs system was just holding him back...or keeping him afloat. If he ends up on a team like Orlando, I could easily see him going the way of Jonathon Simmons (and that's obviously not a compliment). We all ranted and raved about Simmons' athleticism and scoring off the bench too...and just a few short years later, he is out of the league.

My gut reaction: it's time to part ways. Lonnie's had several chances to prove himself and separate from the pack. Murray did, White did when he was healthy (and I would've preferred to keep him), but how many years have we been talking about Walker needing to figure it out?

We have Primo now, and Richardson managed to make an immediate impact while barely understanding the system while Walker continued with his Jekyll and Hyde ways. Especially since he can't even bring value on the defensive end, I'm tired of wondering which Lonnie we are going to see on any given night (or even any given quarter).

[Biggems]

If Lonnie leaves, it will be really interesting to see if Pop and the Spurs system was just holding him back...or keeping him afloat. If he ends up on a team like Orlando, I could easily see him going the way of Jonathon Simmons (and that's obviously not a compliment). We all ranted and raved about Simmons' athleticism and scoring off the bench too...and just a few short years later, he is out of the league.

My gut reaction: it's time to part ways. Lonnie's had several chances to prove himself and separate from the pack. Murray did, White did when he was healthy (and I would've preferred to keep him), but how many years have we been talking about Walker needing to figure it out?

We have Primo now, and Richardson managed to make an immediate impact while barely understanding the system while Walker continued with his Jekyll and Hyde ways. Especially since he can't even bring value on the defensive end, I'm tired of wondering which Lonnie we are going to see on any given night (or even any given quarter).

He does give off a Simmons vibe, doesn't he? I forget to mention Memphis, but they are too well coached and won't put up with his stupid play. I still feel Atl or NY are the two best options for him.

[Sugus]

As one of the few remaining members of Lonnie Island, I'll be sad to see him go, and I don't think it's an if but a when. I don't see him re-signing here again, especially after his post-play-in comments/likes. Just not the fit, even less so with Primo eating into his role and minutes, and obviously poised for a bigger role next season.

I'll keep up with him and root for him wherever he goes, because he's a very likeable player, but it's definitely not a major blow to SA if he walks out. It's sad that the Spurs have had a recent string of players who "could've, should've" developed in key areas, and just never did - but it happens to every team that's not actively contending and has to cycle through young talent. Lonnie won't be the first nor last potential-filled player to never reach the heights his highlights suggest he could.

I'll say though, I'd still like to keep him for around $5m/per. Before the season I gave an optimistic $10m/per figure, and have adjusted accordingly. He's still a good bench player, "knows" the system, provides microwave scoring and slashing, and can be put in the doghound if he's missing :lol. Perfect player for Pop to rip into on the bench, tbh.

[PhantomDashCam]

I think an underrated detriment to Lonnie's stock/return, is the steady play of Tre Jones as the backup PG too.
That's a pretty small backcourt in today's NBA, (Approx: Tre 6'1", Lonnie 6'4") and when combined with his defensive awareness deficiencies, the fit isn't ideal.

[Slippy]

As one of the few remaining members of Lonnie Island, I'll be sad to see him go, and I don't think it's an if but a when. I don't see him re-signing here again, especially after his post-play-in comments/likes. Just not the fit, even less so with Primo eating into his role and minutes, and obviously poised for a bigger role next season.

I'll keep up with him and root for him wherever he goes, because he's a very likeable player, but it's definitely not a major blow to SA if he walks out. It's sad that the Spurs have had a recent string of players who "could've, should've" developed in key areas, and just never did - but it happens to every team that's not actively contending and has to cycle through young talent. Lonnie won't be the first nor last potential-filled player to never reach the heights his highlights suggest he could.

I'll say though, I'd still like to keep him for around $5m/per. Before the season I gave an optimistic $10m/per figure, and have adjusted accordingly. He's still a good bench player, "knows" the system, provides microwave scoring and slashing, and can be put in the doghound if he's missing :lol. Perfect player for Pop to rip into on the bench, tbh.

Ya pretty much this. 5mill would be ideal but he going to be too expensive. Other teams will overpay.

[Slippy]

If Lonnie leaves, it will be really interesting to see if Pop and the Spurs system was just holding him back...or keeping him afloat. If he ends up on a team like Orlando, I could easily see him going the way of Jonathon Simmons (and that's obviously not a compliment). We all ranted and raved about Simmons' athleticism and scoring off the bench too...and just a few short years later, he is out of the league.

My gut reaction: it's time to part ways. Lonnie's had several chances to prove himself and separate from the pack. Murray did, White did when he was healthy (and I would've preferred to keep him), but how many years have we been talking about Walker needing to figure it out?

We have Primo now, and Richardson managed to make an immediate impact while barely understanding the system while Walker continued with his Jekyll and Hyde ways. Especially since he can't even bring value on the defensive end, I'm tired of wondering which Lonnie we are going to see on any given night (or even any given quarter).

Lonnie is and will be more of outside threat than Simmons ever was. Lonnies mid range game Jonathon simmons could only dream off. .

Dont think its a stretch for me to say hell carve out a longer career... barring injury such as chronic back probs than Simmons.

[talkspurs]

He will not get more then his QO. If the Spurs offer it no team would be willing to offer more then it. If the spurs do not offer it then he will not get even get the QO. If he gets 3-4 mil per year then he should take it.

[KobesAchilles]

I said on the day we drafted Primo that the pick was a warning shot to both DJ and Lonnie. DJ responded well and had a career year. Of course that’s not bc of Primo but rather bc DJ has that hungry desire to improve while Lonnie stayed exactly the same player that he has always been.

Everything Lonnie does well, Primo either does just as well or shows flashes of being able to do at a much cheaper price. You don’t sign inconsistent role players. You sign role players who know how to play, know themselves as players, and who will be ready to contribute. Lonnie is a role player and he mentally isn’t at the stage to know wtf to do on the court. Maybe in 3 years he will figure it out but it won’t be here.

That being said, I blame Pop’s coaching and player development for Lonnie being the shit show he has become. You can’t one size fits all players and expect them to succeed. We did Lonnie dirty in his development and I’ve made no qualms otherwise

[exstatic]

I said on the day we drafted Primo that the pick was a warning shot to both DJ and Lonnie. DJ responded well and had a career year. Of course that’s not bc of Primo but rather bc DJ has that hungry desire to improve while Lonnie stayed exactly the same player that he has always been.

Everything Lonnie does well, Primo either does just as well or shows flashes of being able to do at a much cheaper price. You don’t sign inconsistent role players. You sign role players who know how to play, know themselves as players, and who will be ready to contribute. Lonnie is a role player and he mentally isn’t at the stage to know wtf to do on the court. Maybe in 3 years he will figure it out but it won’t be here.

That being said, I blame Pop’s coaching and player development for Lonnie being the shit show he has become. You can’t one size fits all players and expect them to succeed. We did Lonnie dirty in his development and I’ve made no qualms otherwise

It has nothing to do with bad coaching. Lonnie has a mental flaw: low processor speed. He constantly catches the ball, and freezes for about half a second to see what's going on around him. Might as well be an hour. It also has nothing to do with, and cannot be affected by coaching. Your processor speed is what it is.

[ducks]

Walker issue was he feels sorry for himself because he is black
Did not celebrate 4 of July posted a tweet like that said it was slavery
Agent made him delete it
Blame walker

[KingKev]

Walker issue was he feels sorry for himself because he is black
Did not celebrate 4 of July posted a tweet like that said it was slavery
Agent made him delete it
Blame walker

No one feels sorry you are an idiot. NOBODY.

[KobesAchilles]

It has nothing to do with bad coaching. Lonnie has a mental flaw: low processor speed. He constantly catches the ball, and freezes for about half a second to see what's going on around him. Might as well be an hour. It also has nothing to do with, and cannot be affected by coaching. Your processor speed is what it is.
I agree with all his flaws. That’s definitely one of them. But it can’t be understated how badly we fucked up his development. Lonnie maybe wouldn’t amount to much even with good development. Who knows? But I do know that we didn’t do right by him in that one regard.

[The Truth #6]

Pop had high hopes for him and pushed him hard, especially early on to play better defense, that's my guess. I guess Pop was hoping for a star and was completely on him like he did with Tony, which makes sense under that narrow lens. But what we got was obviously not a star and barely a player for the vast majority of his time here. It seems his role is a short-leash bench player who comes in microwave style. The problem is that by riding him so hard early on he never developed any confidence to be that, and obviously we didn't know yet what his best role would be, but here we are now. In the last few months I guess you could say he's settled into that role, but there's been so much awkwardness to get there, I don't see how he wants to stick around. He'll do it if we are his best chance to make the most money, but the whole situation feels very awkward and I'll be surprised if he is back next year.

[Fireball]

Would love to keep him because he is so exciting to watch ... but I doubt we can fit him in salary wise for what he efficiently brings to the table

[south side spur]

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/San-Antonio-Spurs-Lonnie-Walker-17091408.php



Only four teams other than the Spurs project to have room under the salary cap this summer — Detroit, Orlando, Indiana and Portland.


“I believe that I’m a starter,” said Walker, who has started 56 games in the NBA. “But if I’m a sixth man or coming off the bench, I’m fine with that.


“I’ve embraced San Antonio,” Walker said. “The community has embraced me as much as possible. I love it here. We’ll see where it takes me.”

Honestly, I’m not the biggest Lonnie advocate but I also realize no one wants to come to San Antonio so might as well re-sign him. 4 years 40 million is not terrible and that would be the most he’d get. The Spurs have signed bigger turds to a contract like that. Drafting and Player development NOT free agency are the only components the Spurs have to get back to the play offs. It is what it is. Now if we hit the magic ping pong ball and land Ivey then let Lonnie walk but otherwise he likes it here and he won’t break the bank. Enough of the pipe dreams if you think free agents are coming here you’re being a Cowboys fan. Unrealistic.

[exstatic]

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/San-Antonio-Spurs-Lonnie-Walker-17091408.php



Only four teams other than the Spurs project to have room under the salary cap this summer — Detroit, Orlando, Indiana and Portland.


“I believe that I’m a starter,” said Walker, who has started 56 games in the NBA. “But if I’m a sixth man or coming off the bench, I’m fine with that.


“I’ve embraced San Antonio,” Walker said. “The community has embraced me as much as possible. I love it here. We’ll see where it takes me.”

Honestly, I’m not the biggest Lonnie advocate but I also realize no one wants to come to San Antonio so might as well re-sign him. 4 years 40 million is not terrible and that would be the most he’d get. The Spurs have signed bigger turds to a contract like that. Drafting and Player development NOT free agency are the only components the Spurs have to get back to the play offs. It is what it is. Now if we hit the magic ping pong ball and land Ivey then let Lonnie walk but otherwise he likes it here and he won’t break the bank. Enough of the pipe dreams if you think free agents are coming here you’re being a Cowboys fan. Unrealistic.

Horrible. No ne else will come here, so sign a mentally fragile, timid guard. Nope, all day.

[T Park]

I said on the day we drafted Primo that the pick was a warning shot to both DJ and Lonnie. DJ responded well and had a career year. Of course that’s not bc of Primo but rather bc DJ has that hungry desire to improve while Lonnie stayed exactly the same player that he has always been.

Everything Lonnie does well, Primo either does just as well or shows flashes of being able to do at a much cheaper price. You don’t sign inconsistent role players. You sign role players who know how to play, know themselves as players, and who will be ready to contribute. Lonnie is a role player and he mentally isn’t at the stage to know wtf to do on the court. Maybe in 3 years he will figure it out but it won’t be here.

That being said, I blame Pop’s coaching and player development for Lonnie being the shit show he has become. You can’t one size fits all players and expect them to succeed. We did Lonnie dirty in his development and I’ve made no qualms otherwise


Lol, the only person holding Lonnie Walker back is Lonnie Walker. Gmafb

[BackHome]

Yeah he had his one year try out and I don't think it worked out he did better at the end but to be honest the last 40 games we played maybe 7 of those teams had a record above 500. So balling out against Portland, Orlando, and Houston, doesn't really tell me much of a player when your basically going against G League players

[exstatic]

Yeah he had his one year try out and I don't think it worked out he did better at the end but to be honest the last 40 games we played maybe 7 of those teams had a record above 500. So balling out against Portland, Orlando, and Houston, doesn't really tell me much of a player when your basically going against G League players

He really didn’t improve, they just increased his volume of scoring opportunities.

[south side spur]

Horrible. No ne else will come here, so sign a mentally fragile, timid guard. Nope, all day.

A little hyperbolic but I feel you. Ive said worse about Lonnie. I’ve been voicing my disappointment with Lonnie up to this point in his career (not online but just with other Spurs fans) so it’s not like I don’t understand most Spurs fans being done with him. I’m just trying to be practical here. He’d be re-signed most likely to come off the bench. I’m not seeing the gravity here. If he walks, fine, but no one is going to give him a big contract so I actually think he’s likely to return. I’m not a Lonnie advocate I’ve already stated this. But thinking the money could be “better spent” in the hopes of maintaining enough salary cap space for a high level free agent? It ain’t happening.

Again, if drafting Ivey, Davis, or Mathurin is enough to let Lonnie go so be it. I’m not saying this is you, but this whole message board mentality of “We know what he is at 23” is just ridiculous. Look how many on here were upset with the Murray contract at the time. Now it looks great. With the Poeltl contract. Now it looks like a bargain. Probably the same people will be upset with the KJ extension…and for what? A big name free agent that was never going to come to San Antonio. Drafting and player development is the only chance we have.

[talkspurs]

A little hyperbolic but I feel you. Ive said worse about Lonnie. I’ve been voicing my disappointment with Lonnie up to this point in his career (not online but just with other Spurs fans) so it’s not like I don’t understand most Spurs fans being done with him. I’m just trying to be practical here. He’d be re-signed most likely to come off the bench. I’m not seeing the gravity here. If he walks, fine, but no one is going to give him a big contract so I actually think he’s likely to return. I’m not a Lonnie advocate I’ve already stated this. But thinking the money could be “better spent” in the hopes of maintaining enough salary cap space for a high level free agent? It ain’t happening.

Again, if drafting Ivey, Davis, or Mathurin is enough to let Lonnie go so be it. I’m not saying this is you, but this whole message board mentality of “We know what he is at 23” is just ridiculous. Look how many on here were upset with the Murray contract at the time. Now it looks great. With the Poeltl contract. Now it looks like a bargain. Probably the same people will be upset with the KJ extension…and for what? A big name free agent that was never going to come to San Antonio. Drafting and player development is the only chance we have.

So I agree a lot with your last paragraph but lonnie should not be brought back even for the minimum. This is not so much a money issue currently as it is numbers game. we already have to many guards/sf. Walker is not a pg so he couldnt even play there. Currently I have us at 6 sg/sf and that is not counting Wieskamp but does count langford, kj and even mcdermont as sg/sf. I dont count think these can play pf except in rare situations. this leaves no time for him to play as if he plays he takes time away from others.

As for as your second paragraph So many people are still down on Murray and I dont get it. I think it is more because they dont take the time to actually look at the team and just want to chase big names.

[james evans]

Walker isn't the problem. Because if he leaves, we will still have to deal with popovich's bullshit

[The Truth #6]

Pop did treat him roughly in the beginning, I imagine because he saw a glimmer of star potential and tried to push him to be great. Worked well for Parker, but didn't work out that well for Lonnie, but Lonnie probably wasn't going to be great regardless. I can see both sides to this, but I think Lonnie got enough of a chance this year and it just hasn't worked out. We're looking for stars, and his role is still kinda iffy. A microwave scorer should be his role. Maybe it can still happen. But we have so many damn guards, it's a tough sell to commit much to him. He'd have to be like a 9th man moving forward to give other players a chance. Is that worth it?

[Atl Spur]

No thank you………. Pay Malik not Lonnie

[rjv]

I wonder if Lonnie will be going live with NBA TV again this summer, during the draft. Last year, he seemed surprised with the Primo pick; if the Spurs grab another wing or guard, Lonnie would have to suspect the writing is on the wall.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I wonder if Lonnie will be going live with NBA TV again this summer, during the draft. Last year, he seemed surprised with the Primo pick; if the Spurs grab another wing or guard, Lonnie would have to suspect the writing is on the wall.

Nah, Lonnie's reads are so slow he'll be on another team for half a year before the writing on the wall sinks in.

[SAGirl]

Safe to say re-signing is not happening.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I think there’s a decent chance he stays, especially if they trade Richardson. Also if the Spurs really view Primo as a primary ballhandler, which wouldn’t be surprising since it was his initial role on the team last season, and in Austin as well. Not convinced Keldon can survive as a wing either. With Wesley likely spending the whole year in the g league this leaves plenty of room and minutes for Lonnie.

[duncan2150]

imo it will depend on what the Spurs will do with Wesley next year even if Branham is part of the roster.

IMO one of J rich and Walker will be gone for sure but not necesseraly both. The spurs could also made Jones available to clear rotations with Primo maybe playing some PG and Wright saying Wesley could play some point.

[KingKev]

No reason to bring Walker back at any cost.

[jjspur]

A sign and trade would be nice, but I seriously doubt that happens. With an already crowded backcourt, so so stats, and 2 guards being drafted, its a good bet that Walker is history.

[exstatic]

I think there’s a decent chance he stays, especially if they trade Richardson. Also if the Spurs really view Primo as a primary ballhandler, which wouldn’t be surprising since it was his initial role on the team last season, and in Austin as well. Not convinced Keldon can survive as a wing either. With Wesley likely spending the whole year in the g league this leaves plenty of room and minutes for Lonnie.
They literally just drafted two replacements. And, with Sochan sliding into the PF, everyone gets knocked down a position, and there is even more competition a the 2 and 3 spots for minutes.

[4lifecowboy]

They literally just drafted two replacements. And, with Sochan sliding into the PF, everyone gets knocked down a position, and there is even more competition a the 2 and 3 spots for minutes.
Neither of which will contribute much this coming up year. It is beneficial for both the Spurs and Walker to sign a one year deal. He started showing significant improvement after White was traded, and he was given a consistent role. I personally still feel he has the highest ceiling, and we may be prematurely throwing in the towel with him. Far as I can see confidence is what is holding him back.

[T Park]

Neither of which will contribute much this coming up year. It is beneficial for both the Spurs and Walker to sign a one year deal. He started showing significant improvement after White was traded, and he was given a consistent role. I personally still feel he has the highest ceiling, and we may be prematurely throwing in the towel with him. Far as I can see confidence is what is holding him back.

He didn’t show any improvement at all. His defense was still atrocious, his offensive game is still the same as it was when he first entered. He’s had his chances.

[ismael-robert]

I agree he stepped up later in season and now has another off-season to put in more work...I'm intrigued by what he could be come regular season

[exstatic]

I agree he stepped up later in season and now has another off-season to put in more work...I'm intrigued by what he could be come regular season

If he hasn’t become it in four full seasons, he won’t. The only thing that changed last year was that his usage increased. He was no better. In fact his 3 point shot fell off a fucking cliff.

[duncan2150]

If he hasn’t become it in four full seasons, he won’t. The only thing that changed last year was that his usage increased. He was no better. In fact his 3 point shot fell off a fucking cliff.

I understand the against Lonnie without a doubt but he really played like 2 full seasons. First year he did not play and second he barely played.


He didn’t show any improvement at all. His defense was still atrocious, his offensive game is still the same as it was when he first
entered. He’s had his chances.

Saying that is not true. Between year 2 and 4 he goes from 6 ppg to 12 ppg, from 1 apg top 2 apg with just + 7 minutes per game. We could say that the % are not great but not that he didn't improves.

More than that i understand if the Spurs let him go but imo it's not the best outcome when after 4 years of development a guy starts to pan out a little bit. I'll give him a little contract for 2 years maybe TO the second year and if that's not good i trade him or let him go..

[RC_Drunkford]

I agree he stepped up later in season and now has another off-season to put in more work...I'm intrigued by what he could be come regular season

he will be who he always was, Walker won't improve magically. He's gone

[MarCowMar]

I think Lonnie, if he does develop, is going to be one of those players who develops later in his career. A Stephen Jackson or Jonathan Simmons or Danny Green.

He's very skilled in a lot of respects and seems to be well coached, but is so far away from putting it all together. He's inconsistent and only seems to come out when it doesn't matter. Like the game isn't natural for him and he doesn't seem to particularly enjoy it. I've never watched a game and seen Lonnie do something that matters. Even someone like Langford has had more flashes than Lonnie.

This means we can't have him on the team at anything other than a very low developmental, prove-it contract rate. We have way too much promising talent on the team at his position to pay him to take up space and time. His only role can be as the hungry 15th man who needs to prove he belongs in the league, and Lonnie likely needs to be treated that way to develop. Coddling him won't help.

[Dverde]

No reason to bring Walker back at any cost.

100% truth. Maybe we can do a sign and trade with him.

[GAustex]

New scenery for Lonnie may help. Poop messed him up methinks

[offset formation]

If he hasn’t become it in four full seasons, he won’t. The only thing that changed last year was that his usage increased. He was no better. In fact his 3 point shot fell off a fucking cliff.

Gotta agree with this as much as I hoped he'd succeed. I asked folks to give him until the end of the season to see what would become of his scoring binges but alas, his efficiency just wasn't there. It's probably time to cut bait. If he is resigned, I wouldn't do more than a 1 yr, or 2 yr with a team option on 2nd year. Might not be a horrible option while the two new guards develop provided he is on a team friendly contract.

[SpurSpike]

Spurstalk always under rates our talent while over rating other teams talent. Spurs should sign Walker to a reasonable 2 or 3 year deal and let him see how he performs next year. He was developing into a 20 points per game scorer. People here are down on him but opposing announcers always seem super high on him. I think he has trade value if retained with a reasonable contract.

[Degoat]

Kinda would like to see Lonnie on the grizzlies lol I still believe in his talent but he just hasn’t been consistent enough for the spurs, a change of scenery would do him well.

[MultiTroll]

Will be interesting to see if the increased competition motivates him.

If still here at start of season.

[Gagnrath]

New scenery for Lonnie may help. Poop messed him up methinks
Nah case of a guy who has athletics and some talent but not a lot with a messed-up in real life head.
Gets into a decent situation and doesn't grow because of his head being a mess. Good news is that if he gets another meh contract for 2 years in the NBA and plays overseas for a few years he will end up having a decent life as a pro basketball journeyman who didn't live up to his potential and his kids will have a good life.

[CGD]

Are the spurs able to even use Lonnie in Trades this off-season?

[Atl Spur]

Mentally weak but talented. Should move on.

[Mr. Body]

Feel like he'd do well on CHA or another team that likes to get out and run, where he'll have more room and won't have to do a lot of multi-step processing. I really like the guy and hope for the best.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurstalk always under rates our talent while over rating other teams talent. Spurs should sign Walker to a reasonable 2 or 3 year deal and let him see how he performs next year. He was developing into a 20 points per game scorer. People here are down on him but opposing announcers always seem super high on him. I think he has trade value if retained with a reasonable contract.

20 PPG with an 40% FG and 40 min of playing time that he will get nowhere. Not even on OKC

[exstatic]

Will be interesting to see if the increased competition motivates him.

If still here at start of season.

To compete, they’d have to sign him, so of course, he’d be here at the start of the season. As of 1 July, he is not under contract, and many of us hope it stays that way.

[exstatic]

Are the spurs able to even use Lonnie in Trades this off-season?

No one wanted the so called improved Lonnie making $4M a the deadline.

[KingKev]

100% truth. Maybe we can do a sign and trade with him.

Any team that want’s him can probably sing him out right. He isn’t commanding anything more than exception money. Garbage in, garbage out. Just take him.

[lmbebo]

Think he would do well on another team that would be a better match for his skills and give him a more dependable role.

[rascal]

Probably going to bring him back, what else will they do with their money.

No stars are going to sign with San Antonio.

[slick'81]

Probably going to bring him back, what else will they do with their money.

No stars are going to sign with San Antonio.

havent you heard bro ?ayton for poodle in the works:wow

[Atl Spur]

Ol Rascal…. Players live in Utah and Memphis!! GTFO with that logic.

[TDMVPDPOY]

has so many opportunities even with the green light to chuck on the spurs, yet be cant even be a volume scorer what the team needs...

then theres the no defense...

[John B]

Puta madre, I’m in.

[ismael-robert]

Players break out in year six so still time

[exstatic]

Players break out in year six so still time

Like who? Who had a magnificent break out in year six?

[rascal]

Ol Rascal…. Players live in Utah and Memphis!! GTFO with that logic.

Can't argue San Antonio's weather is Hell from June through September.

[SpurSpike]

This is from a hoopsrumors article...

The addition of two guards casts doubt on the future of Lonnie Walker, who is headed for free agency, Orsborn adds in a separate story. The Spurs can make him restricted by extending a $6.3MM qualifying offer by Wednesday, but there may no longer be a role for him in San Antonio. “He has done a phenomenal job in his development over the years and we saw the consistency he brought, especially in the second half of the season when he really hit his stride,” Wright said. “At the appropriate time, we will sit with (his representatives) and him and try to find out what’s next for him and the franchise.”

[slick'81]

This is from a hoopsrumors article...

The addition of two guards casts doubt on the future of Lonnie Walker, who is headed for free agency, Orsborn adds in a separate story. The Spurs can make him restricted by extending a $6.3MM qualifying offer by Wednesday, but there may no longer be a role for him in San Antonio. “He has done a phenomenal job in his development over the years and we saw the consistency he brought, especially in the second half of the season when he really hit his stride,” Wright said. “At the appropriate time, we will sit with (his representatives) and him and try to find out what’s next for him and the franchise.”

he gone.

[GAustex]

Its a damn shame
Unparalleled jumping ability and that burst of speed is not found even in most of the ultra NBA athletes

[tmtcsc]

A change of scenery won't do shit for this kid. He's a head-case with amazing physical gifts who doesn't love basketball. Inconsistent, unreliable and has a low BB IQ. He should've stayed in school and matured before declaring for the draft but the money was too good to pass up. I understand why he did it & the Spurs couldn't help themselves. Well, chalk this up as a loss & move on.

[tmtcsc]

Feel like he'd do well on CHA or another team that likes to get out and run, where he'll have more room and won't have to do a lot of multi-step processing. I really like the guy and hope for the best.

What?? This dude has trouble finishing at the rim. Save for open dunk opportunities, his layup attempts look like a fucking high school'er out there.

[Ditty]

I rather see what Langford brings than another season of Walker.

[scott]

Will always be rooting for Lonnie because he seems like a great person who really tried to be part of the San Antonio community, but his time here is done.

[KingKev]

I rather see what Langford brings than another season of Walker.

Yeah agreed although not sure Langford gets much of a chance.

[jjspur]

He'll end up on the Lakers for a veterans minimum deal.

[Dex]

He'll end up on the Lakers for a veterans minimum deal.

Actually wouldn't be the worst move for them. They need to get rid of some of those dinosaurs they tried to win with last year and actually bring some athleticism

[SpurSpike]

I would hate to see him go. Lonnie strikes me as a late bloomer. I think he is on the verge of putting it all together. I really hope we give him one more year to sprout.

[Dex]

He'll end up on the Lakers for a veterans minimum deal.

Actually wouldn't be the worst move for them. They need to get rid of some of those dinosaurs they tried to win with last year and actually bring some athleticism

[KobesAchilles]

The case against re-signing Lonnie: we just drafted 2 replacements for him
The case for re-signing Lonnie: he once had cool hair and a cool nickname

[baseline bum]

I think Lonnie, if he does develop, is going to be one of those players who develops later in his career. A Stephen Jackson or Jonathan Simmons or Danny Green.

He's very skilled in a lot of respects and seems to be well coached, but is so far away from putting it all together. He's inconsistent and only seems to come out when it doesn't matter. Like the game isn't natural for him and he doesn't seem to particularly enjoy it. I've never watched a game and seen Lonnie do something that matters. Even someone like Langford has had more flashes than Lonnie.

This means we can't have him on the team at anything other than a very low developmental, prove-it contract rate. We have way too much promising talent on the team at his position to pay him to take up space and time. His only role can be as the hungry 15th man who needs to prove he belongs in the league, and Lonnie likely needs to be treated that way to develop. Coddling him won't help.

Meh Stephen Jackson was in year 3 when he was saving the Spurs season in the Phoenix series and burying threes to lock up the title in Game 6 of the Finals.

[Maddog]

This is from a hoopsrumors article...

The addition of two guards casts doubt on the future of Lonnie Walker, who is headed for free agency, Orsborn adds in a separate story. The Spurs can make him restricted by extending a $6.3MM qualifying offer by Wednesday, but there may no longer be a role for him in San Antonio. “He has done a phenomenal job in his development over the years and we saw the consistency he brought, especially in the second half of the season when he really hit his stride,” Wright said. “At the appropriate time, we will sit with (his representatives) and him and try to find out what’s next for him and the franchise.”

In the same article Wright praises the competitiveness of Wesley and Branham
Lonnie just doesn't have that. Yes he works hard but just lacks that edge.


Malaki Branham and Blake Wesley impressed the Spurs so much with their competitiveness at a pre-draft workout that the team decided to take both players, writes Tom Orsborn of The San Antonio Express-News. The two guards were matched up against each other in a 3-on-3 scrimmage and both took advantage of the opportunity.

“I felt like we was competing for a spot, so I was going extra hard and going after him,” Wesley said of Branham. He also tried to outshine Duke’s Wendell Moore, who took part in the scrimmage as well, explaining, “They had a lot more hype than me, so I wanted to go at them.”

[rascal]

He's likely gone now after adding the two guards.

Spurs need to open up three roster spots.

[Dejounte]

In the same article Wright praises the competitiveness of Wesley and Branham
Lonnie just doesn't have that. Yes he works hard but just lacks that edge.

Wesley sounds like he has a bit of that DJ Murray fire in him

[KingKev]

Meh Stephen Jackson was in year 3 when he was saving the Spurs season in the Phoenix series and burying threes to lock up the title in Game 6 of the Finals.

haha Stack and Walker are build diff lol

[Ditty]

Don’t know if it’s possible but read an article from a raptors website online for a Boucher & 2nd round pick for Lonnie sign and trade. They need someone to back up Gary Trent Jr.

[LeBowen]

Don’t know if it’s possible but read an article from a raptors website online for a Boucher & 2nd round pick for Lonnie sign and trade. They need someone to back up Gary Trent Jr.

If that's actually an option, Lonnie should already be on the plane.
Boucher would be a perfect rotation PF/C. Good shot blocker and has a decent 3pt shot. Just what we need.

[ginobilized]

Could Malaki Branham or Blake Wesley beat LWII in a game of one-on-one?
Let him play them for his spot.
If Lonnie loses, let him go.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Don’t know if it’s possible but read an article from a raptors website online for a Boucher & 2nd round pick for Lonnie sign and trade. They need someone to back up Gary Trent Jr.
Boucher is a free agent. Why would Spurs use sign and trade and get under a hard cap?

[Mr. Body]

In the same article Wright praises the competitiveness of Wesley and Branham
Lonnie just doesn't have that. Yes he works hard but just lacks that edge.

Both players had some clutch play this year. Wesley hit the game winner against Kentucky at home this year when UK was ranked #10.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2xPRxVCPDY

[RC_Drunkford]

Could Malaki Branham or Blake Wesley beat LWII in a game of one-on-one?
Let him play them for his spot.
If Lonnie loses, let him go.

Lonnie can‘t guard either one of them

[Chomag]

I'm willing to give Lonnie another chance for the right price. The way people talk about him you would think he us a terrible player but he is not.

I get it that the expectations on him are high and he still shows flashes of that player that we think he is but I don't think he is a bad player to have around as long as we are not overpaying and over playing him. I would love to see how he responds to a coach that's not Pop, but who knows .

[jjspur]

Right now the spurs have a very full roster. I believe one or both of the two way contracts have been used so those spots are taken and we have 3 first round picks with guaranteed money. We also have several non guaranteed contracts so the moves the spurs have left is to let some contracts expire to clear up some spots. Trading a player/players is always possible but the spurs don't do all that many trades.

Lonnie is in a weird position. He didn't do well enough to get an extension so now he plays the waiting game till Wednesday. With all the guards already on the team, there just doesn't seem a way to still be on the team. My guess is that the spurs just let contract expire and he becomes a free agent. His varying talents entertained us for 4 years but his inconsistencies just made it tough for the spurs to keep him.

Thanks for the memories, good luck wherever you go next (probably the lakers for a minimum contract)

[NickiRasgo]

Wishing him a good luck on whatever happens to him this offseason but yeah, quite had a high expectation from him esp. he got tools and had his chances however still inconsistent.
Productivity-wise on offense, he's decent sometimes but still underwhelming.

Also, fell on this and had expectation that his IQ is off the chart in the court. lol

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/How-a-father-s-influence-led-to-Lonnie-15036179.php

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/10/33/55/18987894/5/ratio3x2_1200.jpg

[KingKev]

^ pop up books? One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish

[Maddog]

I rather see what Langford brings than another season of Walker.


Yeah agreed although not sure Langford gets much of a chance.

Langford is probably gone
His contract is a team option

[KingKev]

Langford is probably gone
His contract is a team option

He was guaranteed last fall by Bean.

[John B]

I feel that Lonnie is not going anywhere unless somebody offered him a ridiculous price. I feel they’ll run the same squad and decide by trade deadline.

[cd98]

I think Lonnie's spot on the team depends on if the rookies are in "play now" or the G League. And if the front office is going to trade DJM, then this would have to be a burn it down, play your rookies, and tank season.

[spurraider21]

he did become a more consistent scorer down the stretch after the White trade, but if his defense was never going to improve, we simply cant make great use for that right now. he definitely has the talent to succeed though.

gerald green became a journeyman capable of signing with a team and scoring 20 points off the bus the next day.

[Maddog]

He was guaranteed last fall by Bean.

My bad
One sitet still lists it as team option
Can still se him as trade ballast

[John B]

If they’re letting Lonnie walk, saving them more cap space, what for? Are they going for Ayton? One can only hope :hungry:

[lmbebo]

someone on twitter reporting that he's not coming back

[KingKev]

If they’re letting Lonnie walk, saving them more cap space, what for? Are they going for Ayton? One can only hope :hungry:

Cap flex is only a small reason for letting him walk. They have 6 guys who can play his position and he isn’t very good to begin with. He has had 4 yesrs and an extended leash to turn into a consistent scorer and failed. Low IQ, timid, streaky, trash defender etc.

[John B]

Cap flex is only a small reason for letting him walk. They have 6 guys who can play his position and he isn’t very good to begin with. He has had 4 yesrs and an extended leash to turn into a consistent scorer and failed. Low IQ, timid, streaky, trash defender etc.

It’s uncharacteristic of the Spurs to let a good character walk like Lonnie. Kidding aside, I rooted for the guy. You never hear from him, just did what he was told, maybe to his detriment. If anything I wish he gets picked up and drop 30 points on the Spurs.

So long Lonnie. Will always have that “almost” highlight dunk on the Nuggets :toast

[exstatic]

Don’t know if it’s possible but read an article from a raptors website online for a Boucher & 2nd round pick for Lonnie sign and trade. They need someone to back up Gary Trent Jr.

Boucher is an attitude case. Pass.

[exstatic]

If they’re letting Lonnie walk, saving them more cap space, what for? Are they going for Ayton? One can only hope :hungry:

They’re letting him walk because he’s mentally soft, and because they drafted two replacements. The cap space is just a bonus.

[exstatic]

It’s uncharacteristic of the Spurs to let a good character walk like Lonnie. Kidding aside, I rooted for the guy. You never hear from him, just did what he was told, maybe to his detriment. If anything I wish he gets picked up and drop 30 points on the Spurs.

So long Lonnie. Will always have that “almost” highlight dunk on the Nuggets :toast

These aren’t the big three Spurs. We can’t keep a guy just because he has good character.

[baseline bum]

Spurs have enough young guards that need playing time. Walker should see if he can pull the Lakers taxpayer MLE or something in that range.

[John B]

Spurs have enough young guards that need playing time. Walker should see if he can pull the Lakers taxpayer MLE or something in that range.

Fck Lonnie in Lakers jersey?? :bang

I bet one of Pop tree coaches pick him up and do good for Lonnie. He’s a soldier.

[John B]

https://twitter.com/jmcdonald_saen/status/1542233497313632261?s=21&t=vyclOOkQkH2x-qbSTQqbvQ

Bitches :lmao

[John B]

The Spurs have formally tendered a qualifying offer to Lonnie Walker worth $6.3M, making him a restricted free agent beginning tomorrow. Otherwise, he would have been unrestricted.


The expectation is that Walker will fully test the free agency market.

[slick'81]

Dudes been gone. Weve all known hes gone and nobody cares he's gone

[KingKev]

The Spurs have formally tendered a qualifying offer to Lonnie Walker worth $6.3M, making him a restricted free agent beginning tomorrow. Otherwise, he would have been unrestricted.


The expectation is that Walker will fully test the free agency market.

This only tells me the Spurs have no interest in making major moves in free agency in day one. I don’t even want him back at that QO but don't think he gets much more elsewhere.

[John B]

Celtics, Lakers show interest. Hey it could be a s&t and see what we get :lol

[Ditty]

Seems like it will be a sign and trade. Would be nice if we can get a first round pick if we take on a bad contract.

[Mr. Body]

Honestly dude still has value. I'd take a roll of the dice on him if I'm a team needing perimeter support.

[duncan2150]

This only tells me the Spurs have no interest in making major moves in free agency in day one. I don’t even want him back at that QO but don't think he gets much more elsewhere.

They can agreed with a fa and rescing the QO. It's like they keep all their options.

https://twitter.com/HoopsLurker23/status/1542238813749006336

[RC_Drunkford]

At 6.3 he’s overpaid

[KingKev]

They can agreed with a fa and rescing the QO. It's like they keep all their options.

https://twitter.com/HoopsLurker23/status/1542238813749006336

Thanks for clearing that up. Did not realize they could rescind.

[KingKev]

They can agreed with a fa and rescing the QO. It's like they keep all their options.

https://twitter.com/HoopsLurker23/status/1542238813749006336

Also it's nice to see a twitter analyst who has taken the time to understand the CBA/capology.

Most of these idiots are clueless and just piggy back off of other’s work, or lack thereof.

[Drom John]

"Unless you're worried LW accepts $6.3 mil, this costs nothing."

I'm worried LW accepts $6.3 mil, costing $6.3 mil, and requiring a better player be cut.

[KingKev]

"Unless you're worried LW accepts $6.3 mil, this costs nothing."

I'm worried LW accepts $6.3 mil, costing $6.3 mil, and requiring a better player be cut.

it is surely a risk. That is around his fair market value I suspect.

[FlAVaK]

"Unless you're worried LW accepts $6.3 mil, this costs nothing."

I'm worried LW accepts $6.3 mil, costing $6.3 mil, and requiring a better player be cut.


You think they weren’t shopping him at the deadline last season? He was making $4+M, and nobody wanted him. I think if they thought there was even a sliver of interest, they sign him like they did Forbes last season, and try to flip him for ANYTHING at the deadline this year.

I think if he signs anywhere, it will be for vet min, or close to it.

Well, at least he would be a trade chip at the deadline...

[slick'81]

Welp, if dejounte is gone it makes sense

[John B]

Also it's nice to see a twitter analyst who has taken the time to understand the CBA/capology.

Most of these idiots are clueless and just piggy back off of other’s work, or lack thereof.

What conditions would cause a player to agree on a rescind of the QO?

Still Lonnie has value and could be used as a S&T asset.

I’m happy for Lonnie, nonetheless.

[KingKev]

What conditions would cause a player to agree on a rescind of the QO? Still Lonnie has value and could be used as a S&T asset. I’m happy for Lonnie, nonetheless.

[Chinook]

I do think there's a legit chance they keep him if they can get him on a short-term deal. If they happen to get some improvement out of him, that will be one more trade asset. They could also use some continuity in their guard room.

[gdquinn]

I am for re-signing Lonnie Walker IV and become next PG.

[spurraider21]

well if he ever wanted a 1 year situation to showcase himself and boost his value... a tanking spurs team with no murray (and primo presumably shifting to PG opening up the 2 spot) is a good spot for him to come back on that one year deal

also helps us tank since he's shit

[DAF86]

Resign Lonnie on a one year-25 millions contract, tbh.

[KobesAchilles]

Give him the max and make him our starting 2 guard
Primo
Lonnie
Vassell
KJ
Landale as our starting unit
French :lobt2:

[John B]

Lonnie is grounded and will do what’s asked. I’m happy for him, whatever happen next, he stays, he get scooped by another team, get S&T. He got his next paycheck. Good kid.

[widowmaker]

Now im gonna have to watch this scared bitch check in dribble around for 18 seconds and chuck long 2s and bad 3s.

[4lifecowboy]

Best news of the day, hopefully it is an opportunity to see Lonnie play as a primary option. Him and Jones played well together for a stretch last year.

[KingKev]

Best news of the day, hopefully it is an opportunity to see Lonnie play as a primary option. Him and Jones played well together for a stretch last year.

I’ve had a change of heart and would be for this in the name of the tank.

[Chomag]

With Murray gI'm cool with LW staying, and if his contract amount is reasonable then we can move him sometime before the trade dead line if needed.

[MannyIsGod]

They should 100% keep him now. Best case he gets good enough to trade as the centerpiece of a tank team. Think Jeremy grant. Worst case he's not any better and he helps us lose a lot of games.

[RC_Drunkford]

just give Lonnie 30 shots per game so he can average close to 20 points

[John B]

He gets MIP, DJ will commit Hara-Kiri

[KingKev]

He gets MIP, DJ will commit Hara-Kiri

When DJ and Trae make the ECF next year as a top 5 back court I hope PATFO consider suicide by disembowelment themselves.

[John B]

When DJ and Trae make the ECF next year as a top 5 back court I hope PATFO consider suicide by disembowelment themselves.

DJM would be playing with some chips, but nah. Heat, Celtics, Bucks are just gonna get better. Plus Cavs might sneak in there. I don't see Hawks going pass 1st round.

[Mr. Body]

He was playing better down the stretch. It's impossible for him to make another jump while the two young guys get ready.

[widowmaker]

just give Lonnie 30 shots per game so he can average close to 20 points


Hes too scared to take 20 shots a game.

[Drom John]

Wow!
Lonnie Walker IV is the senior member of the Spurs.

[mo7888]

We pulled his QO

[jiggy_55]

He gone.

[chunticakes]

Lol Spurs just pulled his qualifying offer as per Shams :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol

[KingKev]

AMAZING.

[RC_Drunkford]

where Ms. Cleo at? :lol