Tiebreakers and Priorities: San Antonio Spurs 2022 NBA Draft Primer

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/san-antonio-spurs-2022-nba-draft-primer-tiebreakers-priorities/

Info regarding the timing of the tiebreakers and the attributes I think the Spurs should prioritize in the draft.

Previously...
Should Lonnie Walker IV be re-signed by the Spurs? (https://www.spurstalk.com/should-san-antonio-spurs-re-sign-lonnie-walker-iv/)
Why the Spurs season was a success (https://www.spurstalk.com/san-antonio-spurs-season-success-questions-answered/)

[Ariel]

Nice article. I agree with pretty much every point made.

[Robz4000]

Would be par for the course if the Spurs lose both coin flips tbh.

[mo7888]

https://www.spurstalk.com/san-antonio-spurs-2022-nba-draft-primer-tiebreakers-priorities/

Info regarding the timing of the tiebreakers and the attributes I think the Spurs should prioritize in the draft.

Previously...
Should Lonnie Walker IV be re-signed by the Spurs? (https://www.spurstalk.com/should-san-antonio-spurs-re-sign-lonnie-walker-iv/)
Why the Spurs season was a success (https://www.spurstalk.com/san-antonio-spurs-season-success-questions-answered/)

Question: if one of the lottery teams that want to reload instead of a longer rebuild gets a top 4 pick- would you trade DJ to move into the top 4 and select, as you said, a game changer?

[Ariel]

Would be par for the course if the Spurs lose both coin flips tbh.
There are 6 scenarios, each with 1/6 chance: 20 & 23, 20 & 24, 20 & 25, 21 & 23, 21 & 24, 21 & 25. There's a 16.67% chance we come out with the worst scenario (21 & 25).

[heyheymymy]

Thanks for all this content man nice job

[timvp]

Question: if one of the lottery teams that want to reload instead of a longer rebuild gets a top 4 pick- would you trade DJ to move into the top 4 and select, as you said, a game changer?

Interesting question. It'd obviously depend which of the four we're talking about but I think I'd do it. Dejounte is sprinting toward a max contract and while he's obviously become really good, I don't see him as a true franchise player. Resetting the clock with a top tier prospect is probably worth the risk when factoring in salary cap savings and franchise player potential.

[mo7888]

Interesting question. It'd obviously depend which of the four we're talking about but I think I'd do it. Dejounte is sprinting toward a max contract and while he's obviously become really good, I don't see him as a true franchise player. Resetting the clock with a top tier prospect is probably worth the risk when factoring in salary cap savings and franchise player potential.

I agree with that. I feel like it's a risk worth taking.

[PhantomDashCam]

Interesting thoughts guys.
I’m of the mindset that DJ is on the cusp of being a franchise guy. I expect him to make that transition next season tbh.
I’m never betting against DJ ever again. I had Derrick as the starting PG after ‘the bubble’ performance…. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Question: if one of the lottery teams that want to reload instead of a longer rebuild gets a top 4 pick- would you trade DJ to move into the top 4 and select, as you said, a game changer?

I wouldn't, because there are no game changers in this draft. Maybe Holmgren. If you want to trade Murray, you get a better package than a top 4 in this draft.

[Marco]

I wouldn't, because there are no game changers in this draft. Maybe Holmgren. If you want to trade Murray, you get a better package than a top 4 in this draft.

Agreed.

[mo7888]

I wouldn't, because there are no game changers in this draft. Maybe Holmgren. If you want to trade Murray, you get a better package than a top 4 in this draft.

I think there are 4 potential game changers in this draft...

[Uriel]

Positions that appear to be full: point guard, undersized combo guard, big man without perimeter skills
:lol

[rjv]

nice article. will there be a free agency article in the near future?

[exstatic]

nice article. will there be a free agency article in the near future?

I was thinking the same thing, but those needs will be driven by the draft, so it will probably be written afterwards.

[rascal]

I wouldn't, because there are no game changers in this draft. Maybe Holmgren. If you want to trade Murray, you get a better package than a top 4 in this draft.

There's about 5 or more players in this draft who will be game changers, future stars in the league. Holmgren is not one of them, he has the highest bust potential for one of the top picks.

[Maddog]

There's about 5 or more players in this draft who will be game changers, future stars in the league. Holmgren is not one of them, he has the highest bust potential for one of the top picks.

I have zero confidence that these days (or if ever) can confidently predict who will be a game changer.

[Mr. Body]

There's about 5 or more players in this draft who will be game changers, future stars in the league. Holmgren is not one of them, he has the highest bust potential for one of the top picks.

I don't think any of the top picks project to be game changers. People are kidding themselves. There are a few players who might become stars, including Mathurin, but this is a very weak draft for that sort of thing.

[The Truth #6]

:lol

So true. And if we pick at 9 or so, what high upside players are available? It's usually combo guards. Though I suppose there are some big men without perimeter skills whom we could take a swing at. Ha.

[Mr. Body]

So true. And if we pick at 9 or so, what high upside players are available? It's usually combo guards. Though I suppose there are some big men without perimeter skills whom we could take a swing at.

There are. Well, sort of. This draft is very poor with guards in general. There are a lot of forwards with incomplete skill sets. Some project to be good offensively but are shaky defensively, like Jovic or possibly Dieng. There are others who are good defenders but have broken jumpshots, like Eason and Sochan.

All of those have high upsides and will be available.

[look_at_g_shred]

What time is the coin flip?

[Ariel]

What time is the coin flip?
Haven't seen anything published regarding specific time. I guess we'll have to wait...
https://twitter.com/NBAPR
(https://twitter.com/NBAPR)https://twitter.com/wojespn
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/04/2022-nba-draft-lottery-odds.html
https://tankathon.com/
(https://tankathon.com/)https://hoopshype.com/

[timvp]

What time is the coin flip?

I thought I saw 1 p.m. CT somewhere but I can't find it, tbh.

[JPB]

I have zero confidence that these days (or if ever) can confidently predict who will be a game changer.

This, tbh.

TD, Kobe, MJ, Lebron... Those were sure-fire future superstars when drafted. Anyone who can sit there and affirm there are even just one sure-fire game changer in this draft, let alone five is just guessing at this point... And if I had to guess myself, I would also say it's a rather meh draft this year. We'll see.

Which makes me very doubtful as far as trading Murray. You know what you have in terms of BB and mentality, you're not sure what you'll get in the draft... And you're in for another 3 or 4 years of development.

Murrray makes me think a bit of TP in terms of development and how he's perceived... Read older threads from this board and the consensus on Tony was like": His ceiling and I'll be happy if he's 10&5 PG... then, "he'll never be a star", then "he'll never be an all star, then no way he's winning a Finals MVP...He kept proving doubters wrong... OK Murray is not that young anymore but I' wouldn't be surprised if he has some more room for improvement while his dedication to the spurs is genuine.

[ragas]

This, tbh.

TD, Kobe, MJ, Lebron... Those were sure-fire future superstars when drafted. Anyone who can sit there and affirm there are even just one sure-fire game changer in this draft, let alone five is just guessing at this point... And if I had to guess myself, I would also say it's a rather meh draft this year. We'll see.

Which makes me very doubtful as far as trading Murray. You know what you have in terms of BB and mentality, you're not sure what you'll get in the draft... And you're in for another 3 or 4 years of development.

Murrray makes me think a bit of TP in terms of development and how he's perceived... Read older threads from this board and the consensus on Tony was like": His ceiling and I'll be happy if he's 10&5 PG... then, "he'll never be a star", then "he'll never be an all star, then no way he's winning a Finals MVP...He kept proving doubters wrong... OK Murray is not that young anymore but I' wouldn't be surprised if he has some more room for improvement while his dedication to the spurs is genuine.

13 teams didn‘t even know that Kobe is a surefire superstar ;)

[exstatic]

This, tbh.

TD, Kobe, MJ, Lebron... Those were sure-fire future superstars when drafted. Anyone who can sit there and affirm there are even just one sure-fire game changer in this draft, let alone five is just guessing at this point... And if I had to guess myself, I would also say it's a rather meh draft this year. We'll see.

Which makes me very doubtful as far as trading Murray. You know what you have in terms of BB and mentality, you're not sure what you'll get in the draft... And you're in for another 3 or 4 years of development.

Murrray makes me think a bit of TP in terms of development and how he's perceived... Read older threads from this board and the consensus on Tony was like": His ceiling and I'll be happy if he's 10&5 PG... then, "he'll never be a star", then "he'll never be an all star, then no way he's winning a Finals MVP...He kept proving doubters wrong... OK Murray is not that young anymore but I' wouldn't be surprised if he has some more room for improvement while his dedication to the spurs is genuine.

Kobe was NOT a sure thing. He was a serious reach, even at 13.

[ragas]

Kobe was NOT a sure thing. He was a serious reach, even at 13.

and was traded by Charlotte

[Atl Spur]

But Primo will definitely be trash…….. gotta love spurstalk

[Atl Spur]

But Primo will definitely be trash…….. gotta love spurstalk

[JPB]

Kobe was NOT a sure thing. He was a serious reach, even at 13.


and was traded by Charlotte

Let's remember he was drafted that "low" then traded because his clan said eveyone prior to the drafft he only wanted to play for the Lakers.

[Leetonidas]

So any news? We end up with the 21st and 25th picks? :lol

[Ariel]

So any news? We end up with the 21st and 25th picks? :lol
The machine broke down. But they said they'll let us pick as soon as everyone else is done :lol

[exstatic]

Let's remember he was drafted that "low" then traded because his clan said eveyone prior to the drafft he only wanted to play for the Lakers.

Let’s remember that the only HS players who had successfully made the jump at that point were bigs, and drafting Kobe was not only a huge unknown, but let to a series of mistakes by other teams, because Kobe was a one of a kind, hyper focused son of an NBA player.

[rascal]

and was traded by Charlotte

Only because he didn't want to play there. He wanted to go to LA.

[Ariel]

The truth is somewhere in between both your takes. Kobe was not a sure thing, but he was nowhere near the long shot his draft spot would suggest. It's well documented that, after a private workout with Kobe blew him away, Jerry West colluded with Kobe and his agents to hide him from teams picking before the Lakers, keeping him from workouts and making sure Charlotte knew he wasn't playing there. Charlotte could have called his bluff and force him to play there, but they received the Divac trade offer, and they went for it. But had they kept things honest Kobe would have been picked before that. In fact, Jerry West went so far as to tell Shaq that they had just drafted this awesome kid with whom he would go on to win several championships. And so they did, unfortunately.

[rascal]

Jerry West knew.

Bryant’s agent, Arn Tellem, and then-Lakers general manager Jerry West manipulated that draft masterfully. West wanted Bryant and he also wanted to create enough space under the salary cap to sign center Shaquille O’Neal as a free agent. He ended up with both, reinvigorating the Lakers. The Hornets were more or less pawns in all this.

[rascal]

Jerry West knew.

Bryant’s agent, Arn Tellem, and then-Lakers general manager Jerry West manipulated that draft masterfully. West wanted Bryant and he also wanted to create enough space under the salary cap to sign center Shaquille O’Neal as a free agent. He ended up with both, reinvigorating the Lakers. The Hornets were more or less pawns in all this.

[exstatic]

Jerry West knew.

Bryant’s agent, Arn Tellem, and then-Lakers general manager Jerry West manipulated that draft masterfully. West wanted Bryant and he also wanted to create enough space under the salary cap to sign center Shaquille O’Neal as a free agent. He ended up with both, reinvigorating the Lakers. The Hornets were more or less pawns in all this.

Yes, because he’s supposed to know, and is usually ahead of the curve. The poster who stoked this implied that he was a can’t miss. If you’re a can’t miss, EVERYONE knows about you. If there had been mock drafts back then, none would have had him in the top 5, and few in the top 10.

[rascal]

This, tbh.

TD, Kobe, MJ, Lebron... Those were sure-fire future superstars when drafted. Anyone who can sit there and affirm there are even just one sure-fire game changer in this draft, let alone five is just guessing at this point... And if I had to guess myself, I would also say it's a rather meh draft this year. We'll see.

Which makes me very doubtful as far as trading Murray. You know what you have in terms of BB and mentality, you're not sure what you'll get in the draft... And you're in for another 3 or 4 years of development.

Murrray makes me think a bit of TP in terms of development and how he's perceived... Read older threads from this board and the consensus on Tony was like": His ceiling and I'll be happy if he's 10&5 PG... then, "he'll never be a star", then "he'll never be an all star, then no way he's winning a Finals MVP...He kept proving doubters wrong... OK Murray is not that young anymore but I' wouldn't be surprised if he has some more room for improvement while his dedication to the spurs is genuine.

You're too conservative in thinking. You're acting like Murray is a top 10 player in the league. There will be 5 game changing all stars with better careers than Murray in this draft. This draft is better than last year.

[rascal]

So any news? We end up with the 21st and 25th picks? :lol

No, 21 and 24

[exstatic]

No, 21 and 24

Sauces?

[K...]

As good as kobe was, you could put shaq and a dog and win. Credit to kobe for staying healthy.

[Ariel]

No, 21 and 24
That's the arbitrary order Tankathon has been showing for a while, so if that's what you're going by, it's not accurate. Otherwise please state the source.

[rascal]

Let’s remember that the only HS players who had successfully made the jump at that point were bigs, and drafting Kobe was not only a huge unknown, but let to a series of mistakes by other teams, because Kobe was a one of a kind, hyper focused son of an NBA player.

Of course nobody knows the future. But if you have a keen eye to be "ahead of the curve", as you say you see things( a surefire talent) while others don't see it.

But in Kobe's case teams were not sure he would even want to sign with them so he fell in the draft not because they didn't think he was surefire talent worth a draft pick. Jerry West took the chance with Kobe and it paid off. The Spurs need to take these type of chances with potential superstar talents like Shaedon Sharpe if they have the chance. Looks like they'll need to move up a little to have a chance at Sharpe.

[rascal]

That's the arbitrary order Tankathon has been showing for a while, so if that's what you're going by, it's not accurate. Otherwise please state the source.

Yeah, that's what I saw but I'm not saying that is the results. I haven't seen the results yet. I was just joking with him saying the Spurs moved up just one spot with the second result.

[KingKev]

Funny that dumbass NBA beat writers for 9/10 media outlets can write articles with no new relevant information but aren’t smart enough or resourced to report on things like this. One astute (semi) twitter analyst will post it and 50 will follow suit.

For the record not me calling out TIMVP, as he does his research.

[Darius Bieber]

Looks like we got the worst end of the stick for the Boston tiebreaker, but the good end for the Toronto tie breaker. 20th and 25th picks.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1516153710606434307?t=AK8k8-I7QilxkHhCHipkPQ&s=19

It's on

[duncan2150]

Pick 20 for us !

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1516153910918012935?t=gnlDKxLoNSxAQsEw2Z5jlQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1516154233061617668?t=wHdowDPKw3BPU6Z_hglkaQ&s=19

Win one, lose the other.

[Ariel]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1516153910918012935

NBA Draft tiebreaker results: No. 20 pick: Toronto Raptors No. 21 pick: Denver Nuggets
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1516154233061617668

NBA Draft tiebreaker results: No. 23 pick: Philadelphia 76ers No. 24 pick: Milwaukee Bucks No. 25 pick: Boston Celtics

At least Denver doesn't pick ahead of us. They're really good at drafting. I'm less concerned with the 76ers & Bucks, they are targeting ready now players

[KingKev]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1516153910918012935

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1516154233061617668


At least Denver doesn't pick ahead of us. They're really good at drafting. I'm less concerned with the 76ers & Bucks, they are targeting ready now players

All pretty non eventful but at least it wasn’t the worst possible outcome.

[BatManu20]

Picks #20 & #25. Not terrible. That Boston pick definitely loses a little trade value though.

Just glad Denver didn’t fuck us by blowing a 23-point lead and losing to the shitty lakers’ G-League squad in their game of the season.

[rascal]

Spurs pick 25 Boston's pick

[rascal]

Picks #20 & #25. Not terrible. That Boston pick definitely loses a little trade value though.

Just glad Denver didn’t fuck us by blowing a 23-point lead and losing to the shitty lakers in their game of the season.

Yeah, More important that they got the highest possible pick from the tie breakers.

[Ariel]

All pretty non eventful but at least it wasn’t the worst possible outcome.
I'd say it's about a halfway scenario, because going down a pick is less costly as you move down the draft. We went up one with Toronto and went down 2 with Boston, it's the more important of the two we came on top of, so I'm cool with it.

[Ariel]

Picks #20 & #25. Not terrible. That Boston pick definitely loses a little trade value though.

Just glad Denver didn’t fuck us by blowing a 23-point lead and losing to the shitty lakers’ G-League squad in their game of the season.
It's Milwaukee that f*cked us by dropping their last game. Otherwise we'd have the 24 pick guaranteed.

[Biggems]

So flip a two-headed coin and Toronto and Boston call heads.

[wildbill2u]

via tvp: "Positions that appear to be full: point guard, undersized combo guard, big man without perimeter skills"

GOTTA ADD: MEDIOCRE TWEENER FORWARD

[Degoat]

That’s a pretty good outcome tbh having 20 to me was the big one that other pick most likely will be traded or used on a draft & stash

[wildbill2u]

Sauces?

Raspberry Vinagarette and Sour Cream

[Biggems]

9, 20, 25....I can live with that.

I would have preferred 9, 15, 16.....but at least we have 3 firsts. Also, I believe we can find a hidden gem with one of the two in the 20s. The 3rd pick may be a draft and stash, though we really do not do that anymore. Maybe we trade it during the draft for another prospect in the draft, or a future asset.

[Ariel]

9, 20, 25....I can live with that.

I would have preferred 9, 15, 16.....but at least we have 3 firsts. Also, I believe we can find a hidden gem with one of the two in the 20s. The 3rd pick may be a draft and stash, though we really do not do that anymore. Maybe we trade it during the draft for another prospect in the draft, or a future asset.
The first pick (@9 for now) is not set until the lottery on May 17

[Robz4000]

Spurs prolly flip 25 for two future 2nds imo.

[Ariel]

9, 20, 25....I can live with that.

I would have preferred 9, 15, 16.....but at least we have 3 firsts. Also, I believe we can find a hidden gem with one of the two in the 20s. The 3rd pick may be a draft and stash, though we really do not do that anymore. Maybe we trade it during the draft for another prospect in the draft, or a future asset.
The first pick (@9 for now) is not set until the lottery on May 17

[Ariel]

Spurs prolly flip 25 for two future 2nds imo.
Horrible deal. I'd much rather take a future 1st rounder, draft & stash, or use it to trade up. Second rounders are hardly ever useful.

[Robz4000]

Horrible deal. I'd much rather take a future 1st rounder, draft & stash, or use it to trade up. Second rounders are hardly ever useful.

If they're high 2nds they definitely have value. Could easily flip them again to get back into the late first round of a future draft.

[DPG21920]

Boston was the first team in nba history to be under .500 (pre all star break) and finish TWENTY games above .500. Unbelievable

That pick should have been 19-23 at worst but it’s 25 somehow. Brutal. But 20 is solid for Thad Young. Derozan deal paying off and there’s more to come in future from that.

[rascal]

Horrible deal. I'd much rather take a future 1st rounder, draft & stash, or use it to trade up. Second rounders are hardly ever useful.

No doubt, those 2nd round picks hardly ever amount to anything.

[Ariel]

Bench warmer Thaddeus Young shot us up 13 positions (33 to 20)... awesome trade. And Derrick landed us Josh Richardson, 25 and a future swap for a lottery pick once Boston implodes (hopefully). Nobody can say Brian Wright didn't earn his paycheck this time around.

[Sugus]

Bench warmer Thaddeus Young shot us up 13 positions (33 to 20)... awesome trade. And Derrick landed us Josh Richardson, 25 and a future swap for a lottery pick once Boston implodes (hopefully). Nobody can say Brian Wright didn't earn his paycheck this time around.

Totally agree, both great trades to make and good use of assets. Wright's real test will be this upcoming draft though, not only for the draftees but for every other trade he can make with the 3 FRPs he has and all the solid-to-good players on the team already. I'd love to see some regrouping of assets.

On another note - is that an Independiente logo I see on your avatar?! Just curious to see if there's yet another Argie among us :P

[Ariel]

Totally agree, both great trades to make and good use of assets. Wright's real test will be this upcoming draft though, not only for the draftees but for every other trade he can make with the 3 FRPs he has and all the solid-to-good players on the team already. I'd love to see some regrouping of assets.

On another note - is that an Independiente logo I see on your avatar?! Just curious to see if there's yet another Argie among us :P
jajaja, qué otra cosa podría ser? Si, argentino. De Avellaneda y del rojo. Mucho gusto.

[DPG21920]

Bench warmer Thaddeus Young shot us up 13 positions (33 to 20)... awesome trade. And Derrick landed us Josh Richardson, 25 and a future swap for a lottery pick once Boston implodes (hopefully). Nobody can say Brian Wright didn't earn his paycheck this time around.

Yup. And like the DeRozan trade now being functionally 2 FRP (since we got one for Thad and we get one later too), I can definitely see Richardson being moved for a FRP as well to make it 25th pick + another first for Richardson + the pick swap

[TD 21]

:lmao Typical. The only reason they got 20 instead of 21 is because the league saw Raptors and got confused/excited . . . they'll make up for it by saddling the Spurs with 10 or 11 though.

[KingKev]

Bench warmer Thaddeus Young shot us up 13 positions (33 to 20)... awesome trade. And Derrick landed us Josh Richardson, 25 and a future swap for a lottery pick once Boston implodes (hopefully). Nobody can say Brian Wright didn't earn his paycheck this time around.

Renting 15m in cap space shot us up 13 picks. We paid nearly 20mm total for that FRP when you consider eating 4m for Hutchison.

[Ariel]

Renting 15m in cap space shot us up 13 picks. We paid nearly 20mm total for that FRP when you consider eating 4m for Hutchison.
It's both, it helped them financially and also they had been looking for Young for a while to help mentor their young core as they mature. If not for that they surely could have found an alternative that didn't involve giving up a first rounder.

[CGD]

Renting 15m in cap space shot us up 13 picks. We paid nearly 20mm total for that FRP when you consider eating 4m for Hutchison.

Depends on how you assess and reallocate the value of the rest of the CHI though.

[Sugus]

jajaja, qué otra cosa podría ser? Si, argentino. De Avellaneda y del rojo. Mucho gusto.

Gustazo, hermano! Cursé la facultad en Avellaneda y le tengo mucho cariño a la zona, pasaba a diario por la cancha del rojo (soy de boke igual, no sé qué hago hablando inglés por acá, jajaja). Abrazo!

[Ariel]

Gustazo, hermano! Cursé la facultad en Avellaneda y le tengo mucho cariño a la zona, pasaba a diario por la cancha del rojo (soy de boke igual, no sé qué hago hablando inglés por acá, jajaja). Abrazo!
Abrazo

[DPG21920]

Dream scenario (yes I know its unlikely that all of it is done, but individually can see a path to some of this + luck):

Land a top 4 pick in draft. Total game changer on its own for SA and that is a 20% chance.

But regardless of if we land in top 4 or get pick 9 or 10.

Would CHA do Jak + pick 25 for Plumlee + pick 13? They would not give SA a first for Jak at deadline but does getting whooped in play in change their mind on urgency paired with getting a first back in return too?

If so, SA either has pick 4 (for example) + pick 13 + pick 20 now. Or pick 9 + 13 + 20

IF that is executed, turn to POR who wants to win now and offer Richardson + 13 for pick 7? Do they value moving back 6 spots in lottery for some immediate help? Again, not sure, but seems somewhat reasonable for a team wanting to balance needing help but still getting a lottery pick.

But if that worked, now SA has pick 4, 7 and 20. OR Pick 7, 9 and 20.

Lakers willing to trade for Doug? THT + future top 10 protected first for Doug (may not work salary wise, but general framework)? Lakers get more help for Bron and SA doesnt take on any longer term money than already committed to Doug and gets a younger player that may fit better here?

Then say Lavine or Ayton or Mitchell situation turns really sour. And SA can land one of them with cap space and/or sign and trade.

So SA has something like Lavine, picks 4, 7 and 20. Or Lavine, picks 7, 9 and 20 and has shed the older vets while still landing an all star type and moving things forward and filling the Doug/Jak/Richardson void with 3 firsts this year.


I know…dreaming, but point is there is a path for some real creative stuff here this off season ^

[TD 21]

Spurs-Hornets talks reportedly broke down when Spurs asked for Hornets 1st in addition to Washington Jr. and Jones for Poeltl. What you're proposing the Hornets wouldn't even have the gall to offer.

Richardson's a nice win now piece for teams like the Hawks, Hornets, Trail Blazers, etc., but no one is moving down 6 spots from the mid to late lottery for a player of his caliber.

McDermott at that salary makes no sense for the Lakers, not does burning the Horton-Tucker asset (if he still is one) or at least salary slot.

[DPG21920]

Spurs-Hornets talks reportedly broke down when Spurs asked for Hornets 1st in addition to Washington Jr. and Jones for Poeltl. What you're proposing the Hornets wouldn't even have the gall to offer.

Richardson's a nice win now piece for teams like the Hawks, Hornets, Trail Blazers, etc., but no one is moving down 6 spots from the mid to late lottery for a player of his caliber.

McDermott at that salary makes no sense for the Lakers, not does burning the Horton-Tucker asset (if he still is one) or at least salary slot.

Maybe, but IMO that is being the most extreme pessimist you can be and may not be rooted in reality.

A few things in my scenario changed for CHA vs at deadline talks: yes, they balked at including a first with Washington + Jones. In my scenario, they would be getting a first in return so that alone is a MASSIVE difference. On top of that, they got whooped in the play in and their lack of a C like Jakob was a big reason - so their suspicions were likely confirmed. Then for the trifecta, in my scenario they go from offering up Washington and Jones and a first with nothing back for Jakob, to only offering Plumlee and getting a first back.

They may not do it, but between all 3 of those items, its no where near the same conversation and the reasons for doing the trade for CHA have increased dramatically. Would SA do that? Not sure, but if it was the path to getting them to pick 7 from 25/Jak then ya, I can see them doing something like that..

As you said, Richardson is a nice win now piece for POR. They have to do something or risk losing Dame. How many teams can offer them a lottery pick + solid player to help them both win now and build for their future? Slim market, but sure someone with pick 8, 10, 11 or 12 may be able to? Once you are outside of the top 4, moving back is not a huge gap like it is there. Still a gap no doubt and they may value not getting help now, but that is dicey and a scenario they will no doubt be weighing.

McDermott salary makes perfect sense for LA sense its basically a wash length wise with THT. They are not taking on years, but getting much obviously needed help. THT isn’t an asset, hes a bad deal without a great nba skill hence them needing to add a first.

They shopped THT all deadline and found absolutely no takers - did his value increase post deadline? Nope. Got worse.

[BatManu20]

It's Milwaukee that f*cked us by dropping their last game. Otherwise we'd have the 24 pick guaranteed.

Also true. They had no reason to play their starters their last game though to be fair.

[TD 21]

Maybe, but IMO that is being the most extreme pessimist you can be and may not be rooted in reality.

How many teams can offer them a lottery pick + solid player to help them both win now and build for their future? Once you are outside of the top 4, moving back is not a huge gap like it is there.

McDermott salary makes perfect sense for LA sense its basically a wash length wise with THT. They are not taking on years, but getting much obviously needed help. THT isn’t an asset, hes a bad deal without a great nba skill hence them needing to add a first.

They shopped THT all deadline and found absolutely no takers - did his value increase post deadline? Nope. Got worse.

? I'm saying the Spurs could do much better than that for Poeltl.

Seven to 13 is a sizable gap and one Richardson is no longer valued enough to fill. Just look at recent history, it takes a projected core, young piece to pull that off.

What the Lakers really need is two-way players and McDermott obviously isn't it. Horton-Tucker's value has obviously tanked, but I don't think it's at the point where he's an albatross or to where they'd move him for a negative value contract, one-way player.

[DPG21920]

? I'm saying the Spurs could do much better than that for Poeltl.

Seven to 13 is a sizable gap and one Richardson is no longer valued enough to fill. Just look at recent history, it takes a projected core, young piece to pull that off.

What the Lakers really need is two-way players and McDermott obviously isn't it. Horton-Tucker's value has obviously tanked, but I don't think it's at the point where he's an albatross or to where they'd move him for a negative value contract, one-way player.

I know you meant SA might not do it - was just pointing out the motivation for CHA to re-engage and the path where SA can do other moves by securing that 13th pick (even if it isn’t great value elsewhere in the deal).

7 to 13 is sizeable to a degree, but POR is in a unique situation. Yes, for other teams they likely would not want to move back but can POR really justify taking a player a 7 and passing on getting Dame some real help? Especially if they still get a lottery pick? Man, I dont know how they can do that wiht the corner they painted themselves into..

Lakers need shooting. Big time. They need vets who are not washed and they need a healthy non-toxic locker room. Doug fills a lot of that void and if the cost is a no value THT and a pick in the way future?

Again, I dont know what this all means, but I think there is a path for stuff like this to happen, even if I dont have every detail right lol

[mo7888]

Dream scenario (yes I know its unlikely that all of it is done, but individually can see a path to some of this + luck):

Land a top 4 pick in draft. Total game changer on its own for SA and that is a 20% chance.

But regardless of if we land in top 4 or get pick 9 or 10.

Would CHA do Jak + pick 25 for Plumlee + pick 13? They would not give SA a first for Jak at deadline but does getting whooped in play in change their mind on urgency paired with getting a first back in return too?

If so, SA either has pick 4 (for example) + pick 13 + pick 20 now. Or pick 9 + 13 + 20

IF that is executed, turn to POR who wants to win now and offer Richardson + 13 for pick 7? Do they value moving back 6 spots in lottery for some immediate help? Again, not sure, but seems somewhat reasonable for a team wanting to balance needing help but still getting a lottery pick.

But if that worked, now SA has pick 4, 7 and 20. OR Pick 7, 9 and 20.

Lakers willing to trade for Doug? THT + future top 10 protected first for Doug (may not work salary wise, but general framework)? Lakers get more help for Bron and SA doesnt take on any longer term money than already committed to Doug and gets a younger player that may fit better here?

Then say Lavine or Ayton or Mitchell situation turns really sour. And SA can land one of them with cap space and/or sign and trade.

So SA has something like Lavine, picks 4, 7 and 20. Or Lavine, picks 7, 9 and 20 and has shed the older vets while still landing an all star type and moving things forward and filling the Doug/Jak/Richardson void with 3 firsts this year.


I know…dreaming, but point is there is a path for some real creative stuff here this off season ^

My heads spinning....I'm not sure I can stay on the merry go round here...I do like the way you're thinking...the biggest issue I have is the Portland trade...if they want to make Dame happy this isn't going to do it. Now if they land the 3rd or 4th pick they might have an interest in trading it for DJ but at 7 its tougher to see a deal with them that doesn't include 9.

[DPG21920]

My heads spinning....I'm not sure I can stay on the merry go round here...I do like the way you're thinking...the biggest issue I have is the Portland trade...if they want to make Dame happy this isn't going to do it. Now if they land the 3rd or 4th pick they might have an interest in trading it for DJ but at 7 its tougher to see a deal with them that doesn't include 9.

I think Dame would be thrilled to land a legit role player to help him now while still getting a crack at a solid player in the lottery….I highly doubt Dame likes some young guy at 7 that may be great in the future over the guys available at 13.

It’s just not viewed as that big of a difference IMO

Put it this way: if we know its likely that Richardson could net us between pick 22 and 26 would POR trade pick 7 for pick 13 + 22? I think with them needing depth and talent they would consider that…

But Dame would rather have Richardson than 22 I am guessing.

I dont know how they value things, but just painting some scenarios that seem reasonable. POR is in a weird spot - they have cap space if the want it by letting Nurk go and waiving Bledsoe for his small guarantee (seems likely). But its a weak FA class and they need both talent and depth

[mo7888]

I think Dame would be thrilled to land a legit role player to help him now while still getting a crack at a solid player in the lottery….I highly doubt Dame likes some young guy at 7 that may be great in the future over the guys available at 13.

It’s just not viewed as that big of a difference IMO

Put it this way: if we know its likely that Richardson could net us between pick 22 and 26 would POR trade pick 7 for pick 13 + 22? I think with them needing depth and talent they would consider that…

But Dame would rather have Richardson than 22 I am guessing.

I don't think a young guy at 7 interests him nor a young guy at 13....if they're basing it on Dame then they trade it for a better player than Josh and take no pick back is what I'm saying..

[DPG21920]

I don't think a young guy at 7 interests him nor a young guy at 13....if they're basing it on Dame then they trade it for a better player than Josh and take no pick back is what I'm saying..

I get that and its an option…but POR may want balance and needs to fill out a lot of roster spots. Not saying it would be POR Plan A - if someone is willing to trade an all star for pick 7 (kind of doubt that tbh) they easily do that deal first.

But saying if they are trying to find best balance of winning now while giving themselves wiggle room in case things go bad and Dame wants out, then getting a player while keeping a lottery pick has to be enticing.

[exstatic]

Dream scenario (yes I know its unlikely that all of it is done, but individually can see a path to some of this + luck):

Land a top 4 pick in draft. Total game changer on its own for SA and that is a 20% chance.

But regardless of if we land in top 4 or get pick 9 or 10.

Would CHA do Jak + pick 25 for Plumlee + pick 13? They would not give SA a first for Jak at deadline but does getting whooped in play in change their mind on urgency paired with getting a first back in return too?

If so, SA either has pick 4 (for example) + pick 13 + pick 20 now. Or pick 9 + 13 + 20

IF that is executed, turn to POR who wants to win now and offer Richardson + 13 for pick 7? Do they value moving back 6 spots in lottery for some immediate help? Again, not sure, but seems somewhat reasonable for a team wanting to balance needing help but still getting a lottery pick.

But if that worked, now SA has pick 4, 7 and 20. OR Pick 7, 9 and 20.

Lakers willing to trade for Doug? THT + future top 10 protected first for Doug (may not work salary wise, but general framework)? Lakers get more help for Bron and SA doesnt take on any longer term money than already committed to Doug and gets a younger player that may fit better here?

Then say Lavine or Ayton or Mitchell situation turns really sour. And SA can land one of them with cap space and/or sign and trade.

So SA has something like Lavine, picks 4, 7 and 20. Or Lavine, picks 7, 9 and 20 and has shed the older vets while still landing an all star type and moving things forward and filling the Doug/Jak/Richardson void with 3 firsts this year.


I know…dreaming, but point is there is a path for some real creative stuff here this off season ^

Teams don’t trade picks on draft night,they trade picked player rights. To get Portlands #7, you’d have to have something IN HAND that they want when they’re on the clock, not, “we think we can do this wild backwards cascade trade”.

[DPG21920]

I am making some assumptions that they are going to do what they can to get best talent overall (if they can trade 7 for an all star they will) but that they will likely be in a situation where they will hedge their future some…

Just going through the mental exercise its hard to see a team that would want pick 7 and be willing to give up a known player that is anywhere close to all star level. For the same reason that POR would want to use pick 7 to get someone better than Richardson, pick 13 be damned, its likely that any player available that is really that good will fetch more than pick 7…

[DPG21920]

Teams don’t trade picks on draft night,they trade picked player rights. To get Portlands #7, you’d have to have something IN HAND that they want when they’re on the clock, not, “we think we can do this wild backwards cascade trade”.


Spurs can make any of these trades once the draft lottery if finalized for example.

[The Truth #6]

Interesting scenarios. Hard to say what Dame would want. Seems like most star players are horrible judges of talent but they often get what they want, but not what they need.

[DPG21920]

Interesting scenarios. Hard to say what Dame would want. Seems like most star players are horrible judges of talent but they often get what they want, but not what they need.

For sure. I dont think POR will just be about what Dame wants. They will obviously rebuild for him and he wants to win, but they will “likely” want some balance for their future should things implode. Moving back 6 spots while getting help but still getting a lottery pick seems like a +EV deal. Will something else materialize (trading 7 for an all star? Getting a better player than Richardson and lottery pick for 7?)? Hard to tell..

[The Truth #6]

For sure. I dont think POR will just be about what Dame wants. They will obviously rebuild for him and he wants to win, but they will “likely” want some balance for their future should things implode. Moving back 6 spots while getting help but still getting a lottery pick seems like a +EV deal. Will something else materialize (trading 7 for an all star? Getting a better player than Richardson and lottery pick for 7?)? Hard to tell..

My gut feeling is they could do better than Richardson but I haven’t thought too much about it in detail.

[DPG21920]

My gut feeling is they could do better than Richardson but I haven’t thought too much about it in detail.

So (for sake of this exercise) lets assume they want to do a deal where they get a player + a lottery pick and that SA has pick 9 (their own) and pick 13 from Jak to CHA.

That means, their only other alternatives are team with pick 8, 10, 11, 12 and 14.

As of now that looks like: New Orleans, Washington, New York, OKC and CLE

Who could NO offer as a player with pick 8 to move to 7 that they would want to do to move up one spot? Seems unlikely they would do that. Maybe they could move 8 plus a future first for 7 though and POR takes that. But does not seem likely to give up a good player and 8 for one spot up for a team that wants to move forward too.

Washington could beat SA pick with 10 instead of 13 but would they give up Kuzma or Pope to move up to 7 from 10? Definitely possible and I say that definitely beats SA package.

New York with pick 11 could move Fournier or Derrick Rose? Not sure POR wants Fournier salary but Id say with it being pick 11 and those players they could beat SA offer too.

OKC with pick 12 could move Favors, but I am not sure that beats SA package.

CLE has a worse pick 14, but could offer Lauri and that might beat SA but not sure if CLE does that but possible.

So there are teams that could beat sa, especially WASH and NY, so who knows how likely. Plus I am assuming its Bledsoe in any deal out for POR, but they may rather waive him for the 15M in cap space vs taking on a guaranteed player so this all may be moot.

Again, just a framework etc..

[KingKev]

Depends on how you assess and reallocate the value of the rest of the CHI though.

Facilitating a sign and trade for DDR where all parties were happy and where two of three parties had no leverage and eating Aminu’s 10mm for a far out FRP and a couple SRPs is where I equate the rest.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Facilitating a sign and trade for DDR where all parties were happy and where two of three parties had no leverage and eating Aminu’s 10mm for a far out FRP and a couple SRPs is where I equate the rest.

The Aminu part of the trade wasn't bad at all. Compare it to what OKC recently got (far out FRP) for taking on a bigger and longer contract (Favors), they even sent a 2nd the other way.

[rascal]

Spurs have assets and need to get on the phone and get very active on draft night.

The Sixers sent Bridges who was the 10th pick to the Phoenix Suns in a draft-night deal that netted Philadelphia the 16th pick which turned out to be Zhaire Smith and Miami's 2021 1st round pick.

I knew that was a bad trade for Phil.

So these type of deals happen on draft night.

[Ariel]

Spurs have assets and need to get on the phone and get very active on draft night.

The Sixers sent Bridges who was the 10th pick to the Phoenix Suns in a draft-night deal that netted Philadelphia the 16th pick which turned out to be Zhaire Smith and Miami's 2021 1st round pick.

I knew that was a bad trade for Phil.

So these type of deals happen on draft night.
Other years, I would be worried they'd be too conservative and stand still. But this time around, the approach has been different, trying to take advantage of every opportunity available, and I'm confident that will also happen at draft night. It would be a huge mistake not to.

[rascal]

Other years, I would be worried they'd be too conservative and stand still. But this time around, the approach has been different, trying to take advantage of every opportunity available, and I'm confident that will also happen at draft night. It would be a huge mistake not to.

Unfortunately the Spurs would have to change what they usually do on draft night and I don't think that's going to be easy for them to do. They are very conservative on draft night in making deals by what I've seen in past years.

[exstatic]

Unfortunately the Spurs would have to change what they usually do on draft night and I don't think that's going to be easy for them to do. They are very conservative on draft night in making deals by what I've seen in past years.

They already changed the game last year. Nothing they do this draft should be surprising, based on all of the transactions this past season.

[exstatic]

Facilitating a sign and trade for DDR where all parties were happy and where two of three parties had no leverage and eating Aminu’s 10mm for a far out FRP and a couple SRPs is where I equate the rest.

The result of the two summer trades was Aminu, Hutchison, Thad, a CHI FRP&SRP, LAL SRP, DET SRP. We waived both Aminu and Hutchison, and packaged two other pieces, Thad and the DET SRP for the Toronto FRP. The net assets received from the trades were two FRPs and two SRPs, for basically $14M in cap rental.

[baseline bum]

The result of the two summer trades was Aminu, Hutchison, Thad, a CHI FRP&SRP, LAL SRP, DET SRP. We waived both Aminu and Hutchison, and packaged two other pieces, Thad and the DET SRP for the Toronto FRP. The net assets received from the trades were two FRPs and two SRPs, for basically $14M in cap rental.

Pretty crazy to get two first rounders for a guy the Spurs wanted to let walk.

[KingKev]

The Aminu part of the trade wasn't bad at all. Compare it to what OKC recently got (far out FRP) for taking on a bigger and longer contract (Favors), they even sent a 2nd the other way.

They ate 2 years of Favors equating to 18mm for an FRP. He’ll be a useful salary dump come 23’ trade deadline so the SRP is probably a wash.

From my vantage point:

- We ate Aminu’s 10mm in return for a 2025 FRP and 2 SRPs to facilitate the DDR (all-nba talent) trade to Chicago.

- We ate ~20mm between Hutchison and Thad for the Raps 20th 2022 FRP

It was the right move but absolutely nothing to brag about.

[KingKev]

The result of the two summer trades was Aminu, Hutchison, Thad, a CHI FRP&SRP, LAL SRP, DET SRP. We waived both Aminu and Hutchison, and packaged two other pieces, Thad and the DET SRP for the Toronto FRP. The net assets received from the trades were two FRPs and two SRPs, for basically $14M in cap rental.

30mm cap.

[KingKev]

Pretty crazy to get two first rounders for a guy the Spurs wanted to let walk.

We got paid 2 FRPs and rented out 30mm in cap space to help DDR get paid by a team who couldn’t otherwise… not by NYC, Charlotte, Cleveland, Orlando or Detroit. Who else could have paid him?

[KingKev]

30mm cap.

Actually more considering we sent out 16.5mm total for Dragic’s 19.5mm. 30+ in rented cap space over a year, bird
rights to a top 25 player who had limited other alternatives for 2 FRPs and 2 SRPs. I’m not mad at it but I’d hope we can do better with what will probably be another 20+ in otherwise unused cap space this summer.

[Seventyniner]

I think the Spurs will be much more active in trying to make draft night trades (trying, not necessarily succeeding) than in the past simply because they have a lot more assets than they normally do in terms of picks, cap space, and young players. Other teams will be calling the Spurs.

[exstatic]

We got paid 2 FRPs and rented out 30mm in cap space to help DDR get paid by a team who couldn’t otherwise… not by NYC, Charlotte, Cleveland, Orlando or Detroit. Who else could have paid him?

It was probably $23-24M, since Toronto paid the balance of his salary. He was here for 55/82 games, so $9.5M paid by SA.
9.5+10.2+4=23.7 rented

[rascal]

I think the Spurs will be much more active in trying to make draft night trades (trying, not necessarily succeeding) than in the past simply because they have a lot more assets than they normally do in terms of picks, cap space, and young players. Other teams will be calling the Spurs.

The Spurs need to be assertive and get something done on draft night.

[DPG21920]

They ate 2 years of Favors equating to 18mm for an FRP. He’ll be a useful salary dump come 23’ trade deadline so the SRP is probably a wash.

From my vantage point:

- We ate Aminu’s 10mm in return for a 2025 FRP and 2 SRPs to facilitate the DDR (all-nba talent) trade to Chicago.

- We ate ~20mm between Hutchison and Thad for the Raps 20th 2022 FRP

It was the right move but absolutely nothing to brag about.

What? That is a crazy way to frame it. You can’t equate the cost of buying a pick outright to a team using cap space that was not needed. It was little to no cost for SA to get the picks and even if it was, buying firsts is a great sign from a FO tbh..

[Ariel]

- We ate Aminu’s 10mm in return for a 2025 FRP and 2 SRPs to facilitate the DDR (all-nba talent) trade to Chicago.

- We ate ~20mm between Hutchison and Thad for the Raps 20th 2022 FRP

It was the right move but absolutely nothing to brag about.
Hindsight is 20/20, no one perceived him as all NBA at the time. I really cannot envision a better scenario than what they got from him, considering the circumstances at the time. Also, while I'm not a fan of long term picks, that 2025 pick is likely to find a Chicago team on their way down, and there's only so many first round contracts you can take at once. So setting yourself with a decent amount of first rounders for years to come sounds like a pretty smart move.

[KingKev]

It was probably $23-24M, since Toronto paid the balance of his salary. He was here for 55/82 games, so $9.5M paid by SA.
9.5+10.2+4=23.7 rented

+ we bought out Dragic at par. QUICK MAFFS. Someone get this old man an abacus.

[exstatic]

+ we bought out Dragic at par. QUICK MAFFS. Someone get this old man an abacus.

QUICK, MORE MAFFS, then. We also bought out Satoransky, and increased Forbes contract twice in trades. Oh, and we cut Eubanks, and paid the ball boy and locker room staff a bonus.

[KingKev]

What? That is a crazy way to frame it. You can’t equate the cost of buying a pick outright to a team using cap space that was not needed. It was little to no cost for SA to get the picks and even if it was, buying firsts is a great sign from a FO tbh..

The attribution analysis I put forth is a simplistic yet VERY reasonable representation of the term “renting cap space.”

[KingKev]

QUICK, MORE MAFFS, then. We also bought out Satoransky, and increased Forbes contract twice in trades. Oh, and we cut Eubanks, and paid the ball boy and locker room staff a bonus.

You are wrong and you know it. As usual you can’t admit it. I put forth a very fair assessment of how we rented out capital for decent haul. Not great from my vantage point. I suspect 20mm goes a similar way this offseason.

[CGD]

They ate 2 years of Favors equating to 18mm for an FRP. He’ll be a useful salary dump come 23’ trade deadline so the SRP is probably a wash.

From my vantage point:

- We ate Aminu’s 10mm in return for a 2025 FRP and 2 SRPs to facilitate the DDR (all-nba talent) trade to Chicago.

- We ate ~20mm between Hutchison and Thad for the Raps 20th 2022 FRP

It was the right move but absolutely nothing to brag about.

Not an unreasonable way to look at it, but to me it was a little different:

DDR --> Lightly protected FRP (i always thought our leverage was overstated bc he was a UFA)
Aminu's contract --> SRP
Thad contract --> SRP

So basically you can argue that the 38th LAL pick we get to enjoy later this summer is part of the cost of taking Thad (or the 2025 CHI SRP if you prefer).

[KingKev]

Not an unreasonable way to look at it, but to me it was a little different:

DDR --> Lightly protected FRP (i always thought our leverage was overstated bc he was a UFA)
Aminu's contract --> SRP
Thad contract --> SRP

So basically you can argue that the 38th LAL pick we get to enjoy later this summer is part of the cost of taking Thad (or the 2025 CHI SRP if you prefer).

Fair enough. That 30mm in cap space had to be used somewhere. I’m not trying to be an ass, we did decent all said and done. Brian Wright leading up to the trade deadline absolutely impressed even the biggest of naysayers.. Hoping for more of the same draft day and into free agency.

[BackHome]

Hindsight is 20/20, no one perceived him as all NBA at the time. I really cannot envision a better scenario than what they got from him, considering the circumstances at the time. Also, while I'm not a fan of long term picks, that 2025 pick is likely to find a Chicago team on their way down, and there's only so many first round contracts you can take at once. So setting yourself with a decent amount of first rounders for years to come sounds like a pretty smart move.

My dream is that we can hit the lotto ball and get in the top 4 this year and also at least get into top 7 next year - So by 2025 we got at least a very good foundation and hopefully 2025 will land us a high draft pick that will be icing on the cake.....:)

[Ariel]

My dream is that we can hit the lotto ball and get in the top 4 this year and also at least get into top 7 next year - So by 2025 we got at least a very good foundation and hopefully 2025 will land us a high draft pick that will be icing on the cake.....:)
Well... you're not alone at that. Let's dream on. :lol

[SAGirl]

They ate 2 years of Favors equating to 18mm for an FRP. He’ll be a useful salary dump come 23’ trade deadline so the SRP is probably a wash.

From my vantage point:

- We ate Aminu’s 10mm in return for a 2025 FRP and 2 SRPs to facilitate the DDR (all-nba talent) trade to Chicago.

- We ate ~20mm between Hutchison and Thad for the Raps 20th 2022 FRP

It was the right move but absolutely nothing to brag about.
Something they should have been doing earlier in this rebuild, acquiring assets. Some of us are just finally satisfied that they seem like a competent FO.
The Forbes and McDermott signings this past summer were all for Pop to have shooters in his quest to remain competitive. The crutch they provided luckily proved unnecessary. I hope there are no more signings like that this summer.

[Fusternino]

Sochan has a much more fixable jump shot.

Wingspan? I'm awful at estimating that sort of thing from video.

[KingKev]

Something they should have been doing earlier in this rebuild, acquiring assets. Some of us are just finally satisfied that they seem like a competent FO.
The Forbes and McDermott signings this past summer were all for Pop to have shooters in his quest to remain competitive. The crutch they provided luckily proved unnecessary. I hope there are no more signings like that this summer.

Agreed! The McDermott signing was worrisome in that it communicated PATFO probably thought that was a more competitive roster going into the season. B Wright’s trades into the deadline communicated what most of us have been wanting to see which is full on rebuild mode. This off-season will be exciting.

[exstatic]

Something they should have been doing earlier in this rebuild, acquiring assets. Some of us are just finally satisfied that they seem like a competent FO.
The Forbes and McDermott signings this past summer were all for Pop to have shooters in his quest to remain competitive. The crutch they provided luckily proved unnecessary. I hope there are no more signings like that this summer.

The Forbes signing was always about flipping him for assets at/near the deadline. That’s why it was a one year contract. He had approval/disapproval over trades because of that.

I wasn’t a huge fan of the McD signing, but I figured he would offset his bad defense with volume 3 point shooting. He’s really a player that depends on the gravity of other players to limit hedges and switches, and we don’t have that. He would do well on a contender, and we should try to find him one.

[rascal]

Sochan has a much more fixable jump shot.

Wingspan? I'm awful at estimating that sort of thing from video.

I don't like players you need to fix their shooting with the 9th pick.

There will be better players at 9 where you won't have to fix their shot.

[T Park]

Pretty crazy to get two first rounders for a guy the Spurs wanted to let walk.

Wright earned some respect most definitely. He’s handled the rebuild quite quite well.