The Good, the Bad and the Future After Joshua Primo's Rookie Season

[Cardinal]

Thanks for the videos. Hard to tell outside of real game action but the handles seem tighter. He’s working on it

[BatManu20]

He’s going to be much better this year!

I mean he has nowhere to go but up tbh :lol. Hope you’re right though.

[John B]

Yup thanks for the videos. Obviously Primo has maybe the most pressure in the group getting drafted at 12 when mocks had him much farther. Just keep working Josh.

[MannyIsGod]

Triggers me that he shot a long two in that first video lol

[SAGirl]

Even in those videos he doesnt have burst. His jumpshot needs a fierce comeback. Thanks for sharing guys.

[scott]

Sharpe is a can’t miss prospect now? Lol

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/br_lonnie/status/1537471514861264898

impressive to see Primo score on guys who are 5'11"

[Atl Spur]

You don’t need burst when you hone in on skill and trust me he has shown plenty enough athleticism.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Even in those videos he doesnt have burst. His jumpshot needs a fierce comeback. Thanks for sharing guys.
Luka, Shai and Cade are not sprinters either, but they dribble very well and control the pace. If Primo takes these two skills to a fundamentally new level, it will be able to compensate for the lack of quickness. Dribbling is one of the most easily developed skills. You can compare Jalen Green's performances last year in the g-league and Jason Tatum's games for Duke with what they showed by the end of the rookie season.

[cd98]

impressive to see Primo score on guys who are 5'11"

I was going to say it looks like he's scoring on Kevin Hart.

[rascal]

Even in those videos he doesnt have burst. His jumpshot needs a fierce comeback. Thanks for sharing guys.

I also notice a lack of burst in his game. This is why his ceiling will be capped, at best average athleticism.

[objective]

Slow-mo 2

Josh Despacio

[Atl Spur]

Confirmed……..some of you aren’t or were never athletes! James Hardin, Luka, Manu, Kawhi etc…… aren’t athletic marvels:) Let the young bull grow

[GAustex]

Miss Cleo confirms it
Spurs last year lotto pick who would be a second round pick this year is gonna show us!

[KingKev]

Miss Cleo confirms it
Spurs last year lotto pick who would be a second round pick this year is gonna show us!

Miss Cleo aka Zoltar

[Atl Spur]

Miss Cleo confirms it
Spurs last year lotto pick who would be a second round pick this year is gonna show us!

The circus is in town

[tim_duncan_fan]

Take those videos down. They were hardly guarding him, tbh.

He's got a lot of work to do.

I take Sharpe if he is miraculously still there.

[exstatic]

Take those videos down. They were hardly guarding him, tbh.

He's got a lot of work to do.

I take Sharpe if he is miraculously still there.

Sharpe s dropping like a rock, because his interviews are making him look like an arrogant ass.

[baseline bum]

Sharpe s dropping like a rock, because his interviews are making him look like an arrogant ass.

Were they as bad as Scotty Hopson's? Those were still my favorite pre draft interviews ever.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Sharpe s dropping like a rock, because his interviews are making him look like an arrogant ass.

If you were Spurs management, are you out on him?

[exstatic]

If you were Spurs management, are you out on him?

100% out. He’s done two media interviews, one with SA media, and one with Sacto press. They were nearly identical. When asked about who he wanted to play with, couldn’t name any of the players. Actually said he would be the greatest player ever. Just a vaguely juvenile narcissism that I’ve only seen once recently: Herschel Walker’s flamboyantly gay son. Horrible, horrible vibe.

[tim_duncan_fan]

100% out. He’s done two media interviews, one with SA media, and one with Sacto press. They were nearly identical. When asked about who he wanted to play with, couldn’t name any of the players. Actually said he would be the greatest player ever. Just a vaguely juvenile narcissism that I’ve only seen once recently: Herschel Walker’s flamboyantly gay son. Horrible, horrible vibe.

If he is literally as awful as Christian Walker he's going to tank some team lmao

[exstatic]

If he is literally as awful as Christian Walker he's going to tank some team lmao
CW is more over the top, but same self centered toxic energy. Dean on Draft said regarding him, your best move is to pass.

https://deanondraft.com/2022/06/18/what-does-the-shaedon-sharpe-mystery-box-contain/

[slick'81]

Primo suave's time to shine

[daslicer]

Confirmed……..some of you aren’t or were never athletes! James Hardin, Luka, Manu, Kawhi etc…… aren’t athletic marvels:) Let the young bull grow

Young Manu was very athletic. He had a ton of great dunks on defenders.

[slick'81]

Young Manu was very athletic. He had a ton of great dunks on defenders.


he wasnt called the Michael jordan of argentina for nothing

[GAustex]

Young Manu was very athletic. He had a ton of great dunks on defenders.
Miss Cleao’s prognostications are often spurious

[XDT76]

Confirmed……..some of you aren’t or were never athletes! James Hardin, Luka, Manu, Kawhi etc…… aren’t athletic marvels:) Let the young bull grow

Manu at 36 hold off and drive pass Ray Allen to dunk it over Chris Bosh, doubt Primo can even do it now.

[Atl Spur]

What was manus vertical? Keeping it a buck, I’m one of the biggest Manu fans but he wasn’t Uber athletic.

[slick'81]

What was manus vertical? Keeping it a buck, I’m one of the biggest Manu fans but he wasn’t Uber athletic.

Nobody said he was"uber" athletic. His vertical was '35 I believe but he definitely didnt play below the rim


https://youtu.be/s92Y9atRXGQ

[Atl Spur]

Nobody said he was"uber" athletic. His vertical was '35 I believe but he definitely didnt play below the rim


https://youtu.be/s92Y9atRXGQ

What’s primos again?

[Atl Spur]

Fellas, the euro step is part of a skill set….. James Hardin got it from Manu and we all know Hardin isn’t an athletic marvel��

[XDT76]

What was manus vertical? Keeping it a buck, I’m one of the biggest Manu fans but he wasn’t Uber athletic.

He wasn't but he sure owns Primo on athletic.

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Fellas, the euro step is part of a skill set….. James Hardin got it from Manu and we all know Hardin isn’t an athletic marvel��

Nope Hardin's not a typical athlete (and less and less so with every cheeseburger and cheesecake consumed) but he's very quick-stepped. Manu had a lot of explosion to his game and also routinely beat defenders to the rack.

So either way you want to look at it, both of those guys made how many easy layups **per game**? 6 to 8 pts seemingly each game. Hardin with more.

I don't recall any easy points for Primo, outside of four plays all season: 2 drive and dunks on defender closeouts, and 2 dunks on putbacks where a defender failed to box him out.

Again, his game is gonna have to be heavily focused on hitting jumpers for him to be successful. He simply hasn't shown a single repetitive ability to get easy points mixed in with the outside shot and tough dribble drive points.

I wish I was wrong but I've been saying this since halfway through the year. It's why I was screaming from the rooftops for him to get more PT so we could see if there was any creativity I hadn't seen yet that would cause me to change my opinion. I never did. And this video only shows he's gotten better at making space for jumpshots.

It says nothing about why pop was so stubbornly trying to make him into a PG or SG for 90% of the season.

[slick'81]

What’s primos again?

'37 broski

[Atl Spur]

Nope Hardin's not a typical athlete (and less and less so with every cheeseburger and cheesecake consumed) but he's very quick-stepped. Manu had a lot of explosion to his game and also routinely beat defenders to the rack.

So either way you want to look at it, both of those guys made how many easy layups **per game**? 6 to 8 pts seemingly each game. Hardin with more.

I don't recall any easy points for Primo, outside of four plays all season: 2 drive and dunks on defender closeouts, and 2 dunks on putbacks where a defender failed to box him out.

Again, his game is gonna have to be heavily focused on hitting jumpers for him to be successful. He simply hasn't shown a single repetitive ability to get easy points mixed in with the outside shot and tough dribble drive points.

I wish I was wrong but I've been saying this since halfway through the year. It's why I was screaming from the rooftops for him to get more PT so we could see if there was any creativity I hadn't seen yet that would cause me to change my opinion. I never did. And this video only shows he's gotten better at making space for jumpshots.

It says nothing about why pop was so stubbornly trying to make him into a PG or SG for 90% of the season.

Hardin year one? Bro please be fair with your assessment or at least reasonable. This kid has shown some things with the ball in his hands; if given time he will flourish. #letjoshgrow

[KingKev]

It’s Harden.

[Atl Spur]

He wasn't but he sure owns Primo on athletic.

Do you think I’m feeling Primo is superior to Manu or on the same level? A point of skill being trumps athleticism any day….. jump high / run fast is lethal when you add skill!

[Atl Spur]

It’s Harden.

Let me be clear, I’m speaking to first year Hardin vs Hardin sharpening his tools through experience & aging. It takes time but the kid has advance tools���� Time always tell…

[GAustex]

Miss Cleo is such a diviner

[Atl Spur]

Miss Cleo is such a diviner

Assuming you are referring to me…..thanks����!

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/chase_shannon/status/1539351623356534785

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Primo is like 6‘6“ if you don’t count the hair

[John B]

His shoulders are way below Sean’s. I think he’s 6’6”

[KingKev]

Sean Elliott was listed as 6’8 during his playing career and this was probably with shoes. Primo is ~6’4-6’5 sans shoes I bet.

His height should be the least of our worries.

[Chinook]

That's the best evidence possible that Primo is actually 6-4. That's Josh's listed shoeless height, whereas Sean's 6-9 is likely his shoed height. Primo looks three or four inches shorter than Elliott, which would suggest his shoed height is 6-5 or 6-6, which lines up the shoeless height.

[Chinook]

Sean Elliott was listed as 6’8 during his playing career and this was probably with shoes. Primo is ~6’4-6’5 sans shoes I bet.

His height should be the least of our worries.

Yeah, I think we were typing at the same time. I do think Primo being like 6-8 would dramatically change his trajectory. It's far from the least of his concerns. Him being a guard only hurts, not because of his performance or whatever, but because it's clear the Spurs still need a new guard (or two). That means Primo will have more competition for minutes. I still think he's fine, but Johnson might play the three next year, pushing Vassell to the two, and if you add in another guard like Mathurin or Davis, then Primo won't even have a clear bench role ... and that's assuming Walker doesn't return which I actually believe is unlikely.

[KingKev]

Yeah, I think we were typing at the same time. I do think Primo being like 6-8 would dramatically change his trajectory. It's far from the least of his concerns. Him being a guard only hurts, not because of his performance or whatever, but because it's clear the Spurs still need a new guard (or two). That means Primo will have more competition for minutes. I still think he's fine, but Johnson might play the three next year, pushing Vassell to the two, and if you add in another guard like Mathurin or Davis, then Primo won't even have a clear bench role ... and that's assuming Walker doesn't return which I actually believe is unlikely.

Outside of Pop’s fetish for playing guys outside of their natural position and putting them in situations where they have an immediate height disadvantage, Primo is firmly a 2 guard to me. No chance he can play point and too small to be a true 3 regardless of the “open growth plates” narrative.

Last year, especially late season he had a free pass to showout with Langford and Walker injured and he flunked. He is going to have some real competition if we draft another guard. Uphill battle forsure.

[Chinook]

Outside of Pop’s fetish for playing guys outside of their natural position and putting them in situations where they have an immediate height disadvantage, Primo is firmly a 2 guard to me. No chance he can play point and too small to be a true 3 regardless of the “open growth plates” narrative.

Last year, especially late season he had a free pass to showout with Langford and Walker injured and he flunked. He is going to have some real competition if we draft another guard. Uphill battle forsure.

Primo didn't flunk. He didn't play any worse than DeJounte did at that point of his career. He wasn't going to be "the guy". He wasn't even going to be a positive on the court. Not every rookie comes out at the end of the year blazing like Johnson did his rookie year, and Keldon is still a net-negative right now. This year was about him learning what he needed to work on. The next two years are about doing that work. The Spurs aren't and never were developmental wizards. It's going to take time, and the results probably won't be a star. That's okay. I doubt he was the home-run swing many people think he was. That doesn't mean he was the optimal pick. But he wasn't a boom-or-bust guy and doesn't need to boom in order to be a good pick.

[KingKev]

Primo didn't flunk. He didn't play any worse than DeJounte did at that point of his career. He wasn't going to be "the guy". He wasn't even going to be a positive on the court. Not every rookie comes out at the end of the year blazing like Johnson did his rookie year, and Keldon is still a net-negative right now. This year was about him learning what he needed to work on. The next two years are about doing that work. The Spurs aren't and never were developmental wizards. It's going to take time, and the results probably won't be a star. That's okay. I doubt he was the home-run swing many people think he was. That doesn't mean he was the optimal pick. But he wasn't a boom-or-bust guy and doesn't need to boom in order to be a good pick.

So this is where I disgaree: his timeline is going to be pushed forward every guard we draft. He doesn't have the liberty of a long term development plan the way past players have IMO as we continue this attempt at a rebuild. He is likely to be thrown in competition with multiple other young prospects so I think he needs to boom soon to justify his roster spot or he will be even harder to justify at 12 when he could probably have been had at 40.

[slick'81]

So this is where I disgaree: his timeline is going to be pushed forward every guard we draft. He doesn't have the liberty of a long term development plan the way past players have IMO as we continue this attempt at a rebuild. He is likely to be thrown in competition with multiple other young prospects so I think he needs to boom soon to justify his roster spot or he will be even harder to justify at 12 when he could probably have been had at 40.

exactly! Wth was the point of drafting him if were already searching for his replacement

[BatManu20]

Don’t think Sean Elliott is quite 6’9 either but yea, Primo’s like 6’5 or 6’6 with shoes on.

[SAGirl]

^ What KingKiev said is also a result of having 4 picks, some of which will be guards/wings coming in. If there was only one first round pick in the team every year -- with second round picks coming in so late in the second round that they weren't even worth Gleague deals most times in the past -- then guys also had longer to develop, with less pressure. That isn't the case now and because the team has less talent, guys are needed to help win games sooner.

[rascal]

exactly! Wth was the point of drafting him if were already searching for his replacement

The Spurs miscalculated Primo's upside.

Bring in another guard upgrade and make Primo earn his minutes.

[Chinook]

So this is where I disgaree: his timeline is going to be pushed forward every guard we draft. He doesn't have the liberty of a long term development plan the way past players have IMO as we continue this attempt at a rebuild. He is likely to be thrown in competition with multiple other young prospects so I think he needs to boom soon to justify his roster spot or he will be even harder to justify at 12 when he could probably have been had at 40.

Not going to get into where he would have been drafted versus where he could have been drafted. That's covered ground, and it doesn't matter anymore. Some players can and will develop and slower paces. There's nothing about the new state of the Spurs that will change that. Provided the team doesn't tech into the a win-now build by signing free agents, playing time is going to be based on development just as much if not more than current ability. I'm very confident that PATFO is happy with Primo's performance, even if you and other posters aren't. You guys are looking for Primo to justify his draft slot by hoping he shows something that aligns with your idea of a high pick. That's understandable, but you guys should consider that PATFO might be looking for different things from him than the projection you put on him. It's much more likely that the Spurs drafted Primo not expecting him to have elite "burst" after seeing him not show that throughout the draft process rather than than them somehow getting fooled into believing he had that. This isn't Sharpe -- Josh played plenty of combine minutes and had workouts to display his quickness and athleticism. So assuming he's the guy they looked at and drafted, I imagine the Spurs aren't going to stop playing him if someone looks a bit better than him.

As I said, I don't disagree that drafting a guy like Davis or Mathurin wouldn't make the rotation tighter for Primo. Right now, he's the starting two-guard, but like many people, I hope the Spurs get more size in their starting unit. It's not guaranteed though. The Spurs can and probably will continue to play Vassell and Johnson as the forwards. If that's the case, there are three rotation spots Primo has to fill: starting two-guard, backup two-guard and backup small-forward. Even if a person like Mathurin beats him out for one of those jobs and even if Walker comes back, Primo could still snag a spot. If the Spurs don't draft a two-guard at 9, it's very possible whichever back-court players they do pick will be more likely to play in the d-league than take his minutes, just as a matter of course.

DeJounte Murray took over the starting PG job on 01/21/2018. Until that point, he was averaging 6/4/2 and a steal, shooting 41 percent from the floor. That was Murray during the first have of his second year in the league. Primo averaged 6/2/2 with about a half-block and half-steal shooting 37 percent from the floor. It's okay that he didn't light the world on fire right away. That isn't what happens to most guys in the NBA. I was one of the folks most critical of the d-league approach because I felt like this type of transition is normal. PATFO isn't going to overreact to the lack of stats.

[Chinook]

^ What KingKiev said is also a result of having 4 picks, some of which will be guards/wings coming in. If there was only one first round pick in the team every year -- with second round picks coming in so late in the second round that they weren't even worth Gleague deals most times in the past -- then guys also had longer to develop, with less pressure. That isn't the case now and because the team has less talent, guys are needed to help win games sooner.

This doesn't make as much sense as you're putting into it. The Spurs don't need everyone to contribute right away because expectations are lower. Yes, if the Spurs are to win 50 games without bringing in free agents, that would mean guys they draft would have to swim earlier. But they're losing 50ish games instead. Some guys will eat first, but they will move on as the years go by just as with the older players. If Primo is going to be be a good player in year four, then it doesn't matter if we were talking about him on the 2013 Spurs or the 2023 Spurs. The team isn't likely to draft a bunch of star guards that will be ahead of an actualized Primo. Just because someone potentially out-competes Primo in year two training camp doesn't mean they'd do so in year four. That's ignoring that the guy who beat him out in year two might not even be on the team anymore or a guy who had been ahead of them both might not be. Guys will develop at different paces. That is inevitable. I believe in taking high-floor players as much as anyone on this forum. But unless the Spurs shift exclusively in that direction, they aren't going to be close-minded about having a diversity of roadmaps.

[SAGirl]

It's possible he doesn't earn a rotation spot, like a regular rotation spot, and that may be what is referenced here, though I won't speak for KingKiev.

I do think however, that things are less regimented and the rookies may get chances sooner than they would in the past if they look more ready to play than him. The situation is fluid and because of the nature of a long NBA season being what it is, he will still get opportunities even if he doesn't earn a regular spot anyway. Even blowout losses are opportunities to get development minutes and no one should ever take those for granted. It may also come in the reverse. He may get first dibs because he's the veteran, but if he doesn't cut it, the rookies are going to start getting opportunities over him.

Primo needs to show a better game next time his number is called up. I doubt he is handed a role just because he's a second year player. Spurs will still find him time to develop if he isn't ready, but it may come scattered like Lonnie's came in early. It's up to himself to show why he should play regular minutes, and why he deserves a regular spot.

[Atl Spur]

I don’t think the Spurs are worried about Primo at all; the kid was ok and will only get bigger / better hopefully. Way to much ink about nothing.

[timvp]

https://twitter.com/chase_shannon/status/1539351623356534785

:lol Gotta love Sean. Trying to meme a Josh Primo growth spurt into reality when it's just a 6-foot-8 guy towering over a hopefully-maybe-fingers-crossed-6-foot-5 guy.

[John B]

The Spurs miscalculated Primo's upside.

Bring in another guard upgrade and make Primo earn his minutes.

Primo is a 2-3 years project with Star expectations, period. Remember, they passed on Duarte or Sengun who are good role players, for Primo. So he’s not just going to be a role player. But at 18 years old, that meant 2-3 years. Time would tell if that was a missed shot. Each draft would be different. Davis at pick 9 I think can immediately contribute from day 1. Hopefully Sochan/Eason if Spurs are lucky to trade up, would also be a contributor from day 1 due to lack of size at 4. While picks 25 and 38 would be G-League or stash.

I don’t think Primo is meant to compete right now. I think he will continue to get playing time in Austin and occasionally play with the big club when opportunity comes.

[slick'81]

Primo is a 2-3 years project with Star expectations, period. Remember, they passed on Duarte or Sengun who are good role players, for Primo. So he’s not just going to be a role player. But at 18 years old, that meant 2-3 years. Time would tell if that was a missed shot. Each draft would be different. Davis at pick 9 I think can immediately contribute from day 1. Hopefully Sochan/Eason if Spurs are lucky to trade up, would also be a contributor from day 1 due to lack of size at 4. While picks 25 and 38 would be G-League or stash.

I don’t think Primo is meant to compete right now. I think he will continue to get playing time in Austin and occasionally play with the big club when opportunity comes.

i sure as hell hope primo never steps foot in austin again

[The Truth #6]

Primo was done with Austin last year in my opinion. He’ll probably play Summer League, but once pop started prioritizing him, I don’t see that reversing.

[John B]

i sure as hell hope primo never steps foot in austin again

It’s up to him what he does. But I don’t think there’s a pressure on him to contribute on his 2nd year, much like other rookies before him DJ, Derrick, Lonnie, etc. And again he’s not your typical lottery pick who would be expected to contribute much earlier. He was a homer pick, betting that he will have great upsides once he puts them together. Judging on passing both Duarte and Sengun, the expectations are not short of an AS for Primo imo. But if it’s a missed, then hopefully a great role player. But I think the expectations are there.

[John B]

Primo was done with Austin last year in my opinion. He’ll probably play Summer League, but once pop started prioritizing him, I don’t see that reversing.

Spurs are not contending next year. They will give Primo as much time to improve and if that means more quality minutes at Austin compare to garbage minutes with the big club. I really think he will split his time to make the most of his learning time.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

The Spurs miscalculated Primo's upside.

Bring in another guard upgrade and make Primo earn his minutes.
Please read this article and finally stop trying to present yourself as a draft expert better than those that the team has, if you do not bring normal aggrumentation. Not those sluggish theses about supposedly mediocre athleticism and comparisons with the players of the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[exstatic]

Primo was done with Austin last year in my opinion. He’ll probably play Summer League, but once pop started prioritizing him, I don’t see that reversing.

What they usually do in year 2 is to send the player to SL in a leadership role, and if they see what they want on and off the court, they shut him down after 3-4 games.

Oh, and yes, Primo is done with Austin.

[The Truth #6]

Spurs are not contending next year. They will give Primo as much time to improve and if that means more quality minutes at Austin compare to garbage minutes with the big club. I really think he will split his time to make the most of his learning time.

He was starting while we were trying to make the play in. He may have played like garbage but they weren’t garbage minutes.

[CGD]

I'm excited for Primo. Derrick White 2.0 but with confidence.

[KingKev]

I'm excited for Primo. Derrick White 2.0 but with confidence.

Not a bad analogy.

[timvp]

Thanks. I have him ranked a tier lower, as I'd still take Wesley and Hardy (simply because of offensive potential, but may end up a bust) over him, but I can see why you'd place him there, given the arguments you made in your article. In any case I hope Primo exceeds my expectations. I'm not confident he'll ever be worthy of a lottery pick, but it's not like we missed an obvious star to get him. I'll be happy if he ends up a solid rotation player 2 or 3 years down the road, which could very well be.

I was curious what a non-Spurs fan thought so I texted a scout employed by an NBA team who watched Primo in person both in G League and in the NBA . . .

https://i.imgur.com/vNxG549.jpg

Ouch, tbh :lol

The Primo Era was an odd one. The Spurs loved him. No other team was ever impressed.

[mystargtr34]

I'm excited for Primo. Derrick White 2.0 but with confidence.

Too much confidence tbh

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The Primo Era was an odd one. The Spurs loved him. No other team was ever impressed.

Honestly I find myself shocked at the blurbs I keep seeing in national print stories about him that all seem to be talking about him like he had a great preseason and was on the verge of stardom. It just reminds me how much of people's narrative is either uninformed or recycled from someone else's useless opinion.

I saw very little improvement in his game from last year when it became clear they had him starting to have some ball handling duties. Lots of turnovers, not a pure passer and unlikely headed toward being one, poor in traffic, not good in transition, didn't create his own easy shots, average finisher, etc.

At best, despite being the highest draft pick on the team aside from Sochan in 24 years, he was still probably our 8th or 9th best player on any given night.

Simply atrocious narrative on his skill and impact to date on this team. And shame on Pop and the guys in the coaching ranks for forcing him into that PG spot. Maybe, though purely speculation, some of this stuff doesn't have a chance to happen if the kids not getting his option picked up and isn't comfortable about his position on the team.

[vy65]

The Primo Era was an odd one. The Spurs loved him. No other team was ever impressed.

https://media.kens5.com/assets/KENS/images/9435d8a9-be6d-4e9f-b59a-a8accbb8b586/9435d8a9-be6d-4e9f-b59a-a8accbb8b586_1140x641.jpg

[Ariel]

The Primo Era was an odd one. The Spurs loved him. No other team was ever impressed.
And anyone who dared to share such opinion in here got pegged as a hater by the usual suspects :rolleyes.
Thanks for the reminder, I stand by what I said and I'd take late 1st round prospects (like Wesley & Jovic) and even go into the 2nd round (like Nembhard, Koloko, Hardy, etc.) before Primo, and that was before this all happened.

[objective]

As a big doubter of Primo, I think it's a little tiny bit overboard on the game critiques.

I do see him as a Kyle Anderson type. Not exact because of the differences in passing and shooting but An eventual mle guy of good size who can make a few passes and spot up.

I do think his game development wasn't finished, I could see the potential of him chaining skills together to be a complete whole. One of his final shots as a spur, maybe his last ever, was a made three off the dribble, though he was kind of shamed into it by MN defense. I had been remarking on his lack of pull up threes as a supposed shooter all season. If he had worked off the dribble shots into his game after getting comfortable having to run the show for others, I think he was on his way to a 10+ year career. I think he was better primed for that relative success than another slow mid sized wing like Culver.

He's still no Sengun though.

[CGD]

I still think he would have been a good player in time. No all-star but a better D-White.

We’ll never know now, or at least not until he gets past legal issues and rehabs he career a few years somewhere in Europe.

[KingKev]

I still think he would have been a good player in time. No all-star but a better D-White.

We’ll never know now, or at least not until he gets past legal issues and rehabs he career a few years somewhere in Europe.

I agree wholeheartedly man.

[rascal]

Draft is a crap shoot so more wins than losses over the long term is the goal and make sure you keep your wins much bugger than your losses. Traditionally we have done that. These last 4 years we have been AVERAGE:

- Walker fell to us for a reason but made sense at the time so even 4 years later fair pick: C+
- Luka was a reach but an acceptable risk given we had another pick in the first. I understand taking a flier and understand why we cut him so soon but still: F
- Keldon at was a solid pick and we are lucky he fell to us: A
- Vassel was a fair pick at 12 and still early to have a strong view: B
- Primo, still very early but even if he becomes a solid role player 2-3 yrs out he was an absolute reach: C

Re-evaluate these picks today.

[rascal]

I still think he would have been a good player in time. No all-star but a better D-White.

We’ll never know now, or at least not until he gets past legal issues and rehabs he career a few years somewhere in Europe.

He'll never play for the Spurs.

[MultiTroll]

San Antonio Spurs Ex Josh Primo Attempting NBA Comeback? - Sports Illustrated Inside The Spurs, Analysis and More (https://www.si.com/nba/spurs/news/san-antonio-spurs-josh-primo-comeback-sign-contract-allegations-lawsuit-legal-trouble)

Just picked a Primo thread to update.

[rjv]

primo's contributions to the tank of 22-23 will forever be appreciated

[exstatic]

primo's contributions to the tank of 22-23 will forever be appreciated

He's also contributing to helping reach the salary floor this season. They picked up his year 4 (this season) option literally days before the Minneapolis 'incident'.

[Chinook]

He's also contributing to helping reach the salary floor this season. They picked up his year 4 (this season) option literally days before the Minneapolis 'incident'.

Third year option, thankfully. Fourth year would've been picked up this summer had he not flashed then fizzled.

[spurraider21]

primo's contributions to the tank of 22-23 will forever be appreciated
we probably woulda been a worse team if he played tbh

[spurraider21]

He's also contributing to helping reach the salary floor this season. They picked up his year 4 (this season) option literally days before the Minneapolis 'incident'.
we'd still be above the floor without his cap number

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

we probably woulda been a worse team if he played tbh

Agreed. He didn't show me anything to prove he'd be any better than Lonnie Walker. Probably a non-contributor to the win total.

[JPB]

San Antonio Spurs Ex Josh Primo Attempting NBA Comeback? - Sports Illustrated Inside The Spurs, Analysis and More (https://www.si.com/nba/spurs/news/san-antonio-spurs-josh-primo-comeback-sign-contract-allegations-lawsuit-legal-trouble)

Just picked a Primo thread to update.

"In 54 games with the Spurs, Primo averaged 5.9 points, 2.3 rebounds and 1.8 assists on 37.2 percent shooting in 19.6 minutes per game."

HOTS.

[cd98]

"In 54 games with the Spurs, Primo averaged 5.9 points, 2.3 rebounds and 1.8 assists on 37.2 percent shooting in 19.6 minutes per game."

HOTS.

Yes, I mean I don't think I root for anyone to fail at their job (except the Atlanta GM for obvious reasons), but it's hard to tell what is worse, that we drafted this guy and wasted a lottery pick or that we picked up his option when he was shooting 37.2% from the field and scored only 5.9 points. The tragedy for the Spurs organization is not that he got cut because of his behavior (although it did get them sued) and that we lost him for nothing, but rather that they reached for a guy with their lottery pick who was a dud on the court.

[TD 21]

Yes, I mean I don't think I root for anyone to fail at their job (except the Atlanta GM for obvious reasons), but it's hard to tell what is worse, that we drafted this guy and wasted a lottery pick or that we picked up his option when he was shooting 37.2% from the field and scored only 5.9 points. The tragedy for the Spurs organization is not that he got cut because of his behavior (although it did get them sued) and that we lost him for nothing, but rather that they reached for a guy with their lottery pick who was a dud on the court.

:lmao He was 19 and being converted from an off ball to on ball role and despite that and a small sample size, you'd already branded him a bust on the count of certain paltry counting stats? Only in the NBA.

And before you pretend otherwise, I'm not suggesting he necessarily wouldn't have been a bust.

[JPB]

:lmao He was 19 and being converted from an off ball to on ball role and despite that and a small sample size, you'd already branded him a bust on the count of certain paltry counting stats? Only in the NBA.

And before you pretend otherwise, I'm not suggesting he necessarily wouldn't have been a bust.

Stats and eventually the fact he was simply just not a good BB player no matter what... He didn't display any particular skill that could have made him a rotation player. Can't shoot (annoying for a guard in the NBA nowadays), can't create, can't really drive, soft, and it's not like his defense was compensating... A end of bench 3rd string guard at best. A non neglectable number of lottery guys don't make it till the end of their rookie contract and are out of the league after 4-5 years. Primo is probably one.

And we haven't heard a lot of teams showing interest since he's been waived to this day. he may get one contract because of injuries in a team but I believe it's over for him in the NBA. China or Europe, if he still want to play. But he's still a millionaire anyway so we shouldn't feel too sorry for him.

[TD 21]

Stats and eventually the fact he was simply just not a good BB player no matter what... He didn't display any particular skill that could have made him a rotation player. Can't shoot (annoying for a guard in the NBA nowadays), can't create, can't really drive, soft, and it's not like his defense was compensating... A end of bench 3rd string guard at best. A non neglectable number of lottery guys don't make it till the end of their rookie contract and are out of the league after 4-5 years. Primo is probably one.

And we haven't heard a lot of teams showing interest since he's been waived to this day. he may get one contract because of injuries in a team but I believe it's over for him in the NBA. China or Europe, if he still want to play. But he's still a millionaire anyway so we shouldn't feel too sorry for him.

Counting stats without context are irrelevant and determining whether one is a good player as a teenager is foolish.

Again, I'm not arguing that he was necessarily a good pick or wouldn't have been a bust, just saying it was too soon to make definitive declarations.

Bias is clouding judgement since so many were vehemently opposed to the pick from the jump.

[JPB]

Counting stats without context are irrelevant and determining whether one is a good player as a teenager is foolish.

Again, I'm not arguing that he was necessarily a good pick or wouldn't have been a bust, just saying it was too soon to make definitive declarations.

Bias is clouding judgement since so many were vehemently opposed to the pick from the jump.

Nah, Primo sucks. that's the context. At some point, it's as simple as that.

[exstatic]

Who even cares at this point? It’s like winning Powerball, but fretting about the $10 bill you dropped a week ago.

[J_Paco]

Nah, Primo sucks. that's the context. At some point, it's as simple as that.

I mean, Jordan Poole looked like absolute dog shit his rookie season (shot 33% from the floor) and Blake Wesley was just as inefficient as Primo. Poole turned into a good 'microwave scorer' that still has plenty holes in his game, yet is clearly an NBA - level player. The jury is still out on Wesley and he needs to improve a ton on offense still.

TD21 is right that judging a player - any player - based solely on a rocky rookie season is foolish.

I'd be shocked if the serial flasher/sex pest is given a second chance at this point, but if he is a 'bust' it be seen for another year or two (if he ever plays in the NBA, again).

[TheChillFactor]

its not just the criminal shit...mfer is banned from THE FOUR SEASONS all over the world lmao.

how are you going to sign this guy if he can't stay in hotels on the road?? The whole team is at the hotel and Primo is at some Air BNB 30 minutes away hahahahahahha

[MultiTroll]

18 year old draftee who brain dead coach misplayed at point guard with Bryn Forbes mentoring is a bust.
After one season.

Ya no chance he can improve as he gets older.

[MultiTroll]

primo's contributions to the tank of 22-23 will forever be appreciated
3-1 for .750 in the games Primo played in.

[MultiTroll]

https://youtu.be/Aq6iTGsMK1s

[spurraider21]

its not just the criminal shit...mfer is banned from THE FOUR SEASONS all over the world lmao.

how are you going to sign this guy if he can't stay in hotels on the road?? The whole team is at the hotel and Primo is at some Air BNB 30 minutes away hahahahahahha
Four Seasons Landscaping?

[spurraider21]

https://i.gyazo.com/040cd15cb8b1dc366cb484b3d0a36c79.png

[JPB]

3-1 for .750 in the games Primo played in.

Damn, that would have been 61-21 for the season. Good thing he left, whe could have won a ship and missed on Wemby.

[MultiTroll]

Primo got / getting married?
Or just another "fun" video he and longtime girlfriend(?) continue to make?

Instagram sophiaprimoo
1st two post dated July 24, 2024.

Don't know how to post IG so here's the link:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C92e_vCP6Jt/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[Ice009]

WTF. I guess exposing yourself does pay off sometimes ;). Hopefully he's cleaned up his behaviour. Congrats, I guess. Still a terrible draft pick by the Spurs.
Is he still with the Clippers?

[exstatic]

WTF. I guess exposing yourself does pay off sometimes ;). Hopefully he's cleaned up his behaviour. Congrats, I guess. Still a terrible draft pick by the Spurs.
Is he still with the Clippers?

No, they waived him this summer. I guess the needed the two way spot.

[FlAVaK]

https://x.com/SirRobertBuford/status/1816899075545137304?t

[rascal]

Surprised Primo's girl stayed with him.

Most girls would have bailed out after he derailed is career.

[KingKev]

Surprised Primo's girl stayed with him.

Most girls would have bailed out after he derailed is career.

He made like 12-13m in earnings plus still can make 250k overseas I bet. Reason enough.

[John B]

I’m surprised Primo can’t put it together. I’m sure Spurs saw something to pick him that high, and him with a chip on his shoulder? Really bad scouting lately

[MultiTroll]

I’m surprised Primo can’t put it together. I’m sure Spurs saw something to pick him that high, and him with a chip on his shoulder? Really bad scouting lately
Was something like the 2nd youngest draftee all time? Who exactly was the maturity and mentors that the Spurs were going to have him around? The cast of clowns who tanked us to Wemby? CIA Dumbass Pop who tried to force him into a very unnatural point guard position?
Ya it had to be a tough 1st couple years for Primo.
Excusing him for being the Flash?
Not at all.

But lets cut the bullshit on how the Spurs are so perfect and a dream come true to developing player. Bryn Bryn Forms getting rung up for women beating. Site owner saying words to the effect (if not exactly) the entire Kwa Scumbag cause was 50/50 between Spurs and Uncle.

I'd like to see what married Primo can now do on an NBA team that can help provide a growth atmosphere. Clippers were not that imo. Beardo Harden a mentor? GTFO.

Last and hardly least. The Spurs hired psychologist tried to tell the team flashing was happening. Like 8 fucking times and Popped and Krew did nothing.

[KingKev]

Go make 100-250k/yr in overseas leagues, travel the world, stay in exotic cities with your hot ass wife and oh yeah I still have atleast 5m in the bank I can grow. Sounds like lil Joshy will be okay.

[tonight...you]

This board's cynicism is hilarious. I don't blame anybody.

I guess I'll be the one to wish them a happy life and I hope they are truly happy together for as long as can be.



*Until he...
**Or she...
***Or they...

[MultiTroll]

Go make 100-250k/yr in overseas leagues, travel the world, stay in exotic cities with your hot ass wife and oh yeah I still have atleast 5m in the bank I can grow. Sounds like lil Joshy will be okay.
There has been more then one pro that enjoyed it 10Xs more then the NBA.

[Degoat]

Was watching some highlights of primo a few weeks back, he had potential if he had been able to stay with the Spurs development system imo.

[ismael-robert]

I saw him live. He had moves that just cooked people and then would give them a hard stare down after...he was good n he knew it. When they put a move on him, he went to other side n made them pay. He had swag. He had that franchise player potential that they labeled him with. If she can give 2nd chance don't see why we can't.

[Ice009]

I was about to come post in this thread about how egregious of a move it was drafting him. So you guys really think he had that "franchise player potential" that some people in the organization had been whispering (no idea who Sean was hearing that from)? At the time, and I still do, I was thinking who in the F#$k is evaluating the talent there as it's very concerning if they're labelling him as a future franchise player.

[KingKev]

I think what actually happened is PATFO communicated to him they thought he had the potential to be the “franchise PLAYA” so he started swinging that thing around….

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLLV2r7zOjU

[exstatic]

I saw him live. He had moves that just cooked people and then would give them a hard stare down after...he was good n he knew it. When they put a move on him, he went to other side n made them pay. He had swag. He had that franchise player potential that they labeled him with. If she can give 2nd chance don't see why we can't.

A multi million dollar lawsuit settlement probably prohibits it. It would also be a bad look in for a franchise that prides itself on culture. It also not like we’re needing a franchise guy. We got one.

[ismael-robert]

Not at guard position

[MultiTroll]

Is Primo currently on any kind of a pro connection, tryout, GLeague, whatever?

Primo gets signed by Chicago and then waived like a day or so later?

What was up with that?

[spurraider21]

I'm completely unconcerned about his rate of development. He's going to make a lot of people look like the dorks you are.
least surprising comment

[ChumpDumper]

Is Primo currently on any kind of a pro connection, tryout, GLeague, whatever?

Primo gets signed by Chicago and then waived like a day or so later?

What was up with that?

That means he'll probably play on their G-League team.

[MultiTroll]

Yes per this article:

By waiving Primo after signing him to an Exhibit 10 contract, Chicago can allow the guard to work his way back to the court with its NBA Gatorade League affiliate – the Windy City Bulls.

Chicago Bulls waive former lottery pick from Alabama - al.com (https://www.al.com/sports/2024/10/chicago-bulls-waive-former-lottery-pick-from-alabama.html)

[Joseph Kony]

I'm completely unconcerned about his rate of development. He's going to make a lot of people look like the dorks you are.
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

does this guy ever say anything that doesnt turn out to be fucking retarded in hindsight?

[poopbox]

This dude the reason branhim and wesley are on this team tbh

[Chinook]

I was curious what a non-Spurs fan thought so I texted a scout employed by an NBA team who watched Primo in person both in G League and in the NBA . . .

https://i.imgur.com/vNxG549.jpg

Ouch, tbh :lol

Wonder if LJ has an update on this.

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX3dXiS3mtw