Lottery Day Countdown - May 17th

[Barfunk]

Still a top 10. Not too bad

I wanted my cake! Lol

[Barfunk]

Still a top 10. Not too bad

I wanted my cake! Lol

[Leetonidas]

The 9th pick through 1990:


2021 Davion Mitchell, Baylor – Sacramento Kings
2020 Deni Avidja, Maccabi Tel Aviv – Washington Wizards

2010's

2019 Rui Hachimura, Gonzaga – Washington Wizards
2018 Kevin Knox, Kentucky – New York Knicks
2017 Dennis Smith Jr., N.C. State – Dallas Mavericks
2016 Jakob Poeltl, Utah – Toronto Raptors
2015 Frank Kaminsky, Wisconsin – Charlotte Hornets
2014 Noah Vonleh, Indiana – Charlotte Hornets
2013 Trey Burke, Michigan – Minnesota Timberwolves
2012 Andre Drummond, Connecticut – Detroit Pistons
2011 Kemba Walker, Connecticut – Charlotte Bobcats
2010 Gordon Hayward, Butler – Utah Jazz

2000’s

2009 DeMar DeRozan, USC – Toronto Raptors
2008 D.J. Augustin, Texas – Charlotte Bobcats
2007 Joakim Noah, Florida – Chicago Bulls
2006 Patrick O’Bryant, Bradley – Golden State Warriors
2005 Ike Diogu, Arizona State – Golden State Warriors
2004 Andre Iguodala, Arizona – Philadelphia 76ers
2003 Mike Sweetney, Georgetown – New York Knicks
2002 Amare Stoudemire, Cypress Creek HS (Fla.) – Phoenix Suns
2001 Rodney White, UNC-Charlotte – Detroit Pistons
2000 Joel Przybilla, Minnesota – Houston Rockets

1990’s

1999 Shawn Marion, UNLV – Phoenix Suns
1998 Dirk Nowitzki, Germany – Milwaukee Bucks
1997 Tracy McGrady, Mount Zion Christian Academy (N.C.) – Toronto Raptors
1996 Samaki Walker, Louisville – Dallas Mavericks
1995 Ed O’Bannon, UCLA – New Jersey Nets
1994 Eric Montross, North Carolina – Boston Celtics
1993 Rodney Rogers, Wake Forest – Denver Nuggets
1992 Clarence Weatherspoon, Southern Mississippi – Philadelphia 76ers
1991 Stacey Augmon, UNLV – Atlanta Hawks
1990 Willie Burton, Minnesota – Miami HEA

[Leetonidas]

The 9th pick through 1990:


2021 Davion Mitchell, Baylor – Sacramento Kings
2020 Deni Avidja, Maccabi Tel Aviv – Washington Wizards

2010's

2019 Rui Hachimura, Gonzaga – Washington Wizards
2018 Kevin Knox, Kentucky – New York Knicks
2017 Dennis Smith Jr., N.C. State – Dallas Mavericks
2016 Jakob Poeltl, Utah – Toronto Raptors
2015 Frank Kaminsky, Wisconsin – Charlotte Hornets
2014 Noah Vonleh, Indiana – Charlotte Hornets
2013 Trey Burke, Michigan – Minnesota Timberwolves
2012 Andre Drummond, Connecticut – Detroit Pistons
2011 Kemba Walker, Connecticut – Charlotte Bobcats
2010 Gordon Hayward, Butler – Utah Jazz

2000’s

2009 DeMar DeRozan, USC – Toronto Raptors
2008 D.J. Augustin, Texas – Charlotte Bobcats
2007 Joakim Noah, Florida – Chicago Bulls
2006 Patrick O’Bryant, Bradley – Golden State Warriors
2005 Ike Diogu, Arizona State – Golden State Warriors
2004 Andre Iguodala, Arizona – Philadelphia 76ers
2003 Mike Sweetney, Georgetown – New York Knicks
2002 Amare Stoudemire, Cypress Creek HS (Fla.) – Phoenix Suns
2001 Rodney White, UNC-Charlotte – Detroit Pistons
2000 Joel Przybilla, Minnesota – Houston Rockets

1990’s

1999 Shawn Marion, UNLV – Phoenix Suns
1998 Dirk Nowitzki, Germany – Milwaukee Bucks
1997 Tracy McGrady, Mount Zion Christian Academy (N.C.) – Toronto Raptors
1996 Samaki Walker, Louisville – Dallas Mavericks
1995 Ed O’Bannon, UCLA – New Jersey Nets
1994 Eric Montross, North Carolina – Boston Celtics
1993 Rodney Rogers, Wake Forest – Denver Nuggets
1992 Clarence Weatherspoon, Southern Mississippi – Philadelphia 76ers
1991 Stacey Augmon, UNLV – Atlanta Hawks
1990 Willie Burton, Minnesota – Miami HEA

[PhantomDashCam]

Interesting that when ESPN flashed the “What they’re hearing mock”, Ivey wasn’t in the top 5…

1. Jabari
2. Chet
3. Paolo
4. Sharpe
5. Keegan

[Leetonidas]

:lol ST Slovenian servers crashing

[DeRozan m8]

Same old losers getting rewarded.We will remain treadmill garbage, really glad we pushed for the play-in, that was really worth itFvck this team

[Barfunk]

Stern Jr!

[Ariel]

Well, I think this illustrates pretty well why some of us weren't so happy going all in at the play in game... The extra ping pong balls paid off for Sacramento...

[objective]

Terrible day.

Back to mediocre.

[Ariel]

Interesting that when ESPN flashed the “What they’re hearing mock”, Ivey wasn’t in the top 5…

1. Jabari
2. Chet
3. Paolo
4. Sharpe
5. Keegan
It's the Sacramento doesn't know WTF they're doing effect. 4 for Keldon + 9 anyone?

[Uriel]

How appropriate that Orlando could draft the next Rashard Lewis :lol

[chunticakes]

Another 6'4" combo guard here we come :lol

[itzsoweezee]

The 9th pick through 1990:


2021 Davion Mitchell, Baylor – Sacramento Kings
2020 Deni Avidja, Maccabi Tel Aviv – Washington Wizards

2010's

2019 Rui Hachimura, Gonzaga – Washington Wizards
2018 Kevin Knox, Kentucky – New York Knicks
2017 Dennis Smith Jr., N.C. State – Dallas Mavericks
2016 Jakob Poeltl, Utah – Toronto Raptors
2015 Frank Kaminsky, Wisconsin – Charlotte Hornets
2014 Noah Vonleh, Indiana – Charlotte Hornets
2013 Trey Burke, Michigan – Minnesota Timberwolves
2012 Andre Drummond, Connecticut – Detroit Pistons
2011 Kemba Walker, Connecticut – Charlotte Bobcats
2010 Gordon Hayward, Butler – Utah Jazz

2000’s

2009 DeMar DeRozan, USC – Toronto Raptors
2008 D.J. Augustin, Texas – Charlotte Bobcats
2007 Joakim Noah, Florida – Chicago Bulls
2006 Patrick O’Bryant, Bradley – Golden State Warriors
2005 Ike Diogu, Arizona State – Golden State Warriors
2004 Andre Iguodala, Arizona – Philadelphia 76ers
2003 Mike Sweetney, Georgetown – New York Knicks
2002 Amare Stoudemire, Cypress Creek HS (Fla.) – Phoenix Suns
2001 Rodney White, UNC-Charlotte – Detroit Pistons
2000 Joel Przybilla, Minnesota – Houston Rockets

1990’s

1999 Shawn Marion, UNLV – Phoenix Suns
1998 Dirk Nowitzki, Germany – Milwaukee Bucks
1997 Tracy McGrady, Mount Zion Christian Academy (N.C.) – Toronto Raptors
1996 Samaki Walker, Louisville – Dallas Mavericks
1995 Ed O’Bannon, UCLA – New Jersey Nets
1994 Eric Montross, North Carolina – Boston Celtics
1993 Rodney Rogers, Wake Forest – Denver Nuggets
1992 Clarence Weatherspoon, Southern Mississippi – Philadelphia 76ers
1991 Stacey Augmon, UNLV – Atlanta Hawks
1990 Willie Burton, Minnesota – Miami HEA

Yikes

[PhantomDashCam]

Take a look at Miami’s roster y’all. Bam was their highest pick, at #14 btw…
Edit: Correction, Herro at #13
Interested to see what moves Spurs make at the draft.

[slick'81]

Another 6'4" combo guard here we come :lol


:lmaoIf the spurs cant manage to find a long wing or big@9

[InRareForm]

Trade up?

[Ariel]

Take a look at Miami’s roster y’all. Bam was their highest pick, at #14 btw…
Edit: Correction, Herro at #13
Interested to see what moves Spurs make at the draft.
True, it can be done. But there's no denying it's a hell of a lot harder...

[daslicer]

I didn't expect the Spurs to move up and my fear was they would move down so at least they kept their 9th slot.

[rascal]

I thought with no one jumping into the top 4 behind the Spurs it was looking good that they would jump into the top 4.

[3&D_TBH]

Fuck it. Take Sochan at 9 and double down on defense. At lease create an identity.

[RC_Drunkford]

so as expected during the season it was once again the 7th pick who jumped into the top 4

[rascal]

Well, I think this illustrates pretty well why some of us weren't so happy going all in at the play in game... The extra ping pong balls paid off for Sacramento...

No doubt, rooting for wins down the stretch is dumb for the future of the franchise. Getting passed by other teams in the last couple of months hurt the Spurs chances.

The Spurs are going to need to have a losing season or two to land franchise difference makers. Or else they are stuck building a team without top level talent.

[GAustex]

Long Fast Athletes who can shoot a bit
Almost every game the Spurs are smaller and weaker than the opponent

[lefty20]

Kings essentially got rewarded for their brain dead Haliburton trade

[rascal]

Well, I think this illustrates pretty well why some of us weren't so happy going all in at the play in game... The extra ping pong balls paid off for Sacramento...

No doubt, rooting for wins down the stretch is dumb for the future of the franchise. Getting passed by other teams in the last couple of months hurt the Spurs chances.

The Spurs are going to need to have a losing season or two to land franchise difference makers. Or else they are stuck building a team without top level talent.

[timtonymanu]

Not sure why people are pissed. Spurs are just gonna select another raw undersized wing that no other team in the top 10 would have chosen and we will have posters like that AtlSpur fan saying our pick is the next Ja Morant.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Mathurin/Daniels/Davis it is?

[heyheymymy]

Guess this is what San Antonio gets for 50 years of service? Pretty stupid for Silver to miss out on a $lam dunk narrative (Spurs burst back into relevancy during their 50th season) that drives small market fanbase confidence across the league. Instead the league rewards garbage entertainment from perpetual losers.

Spurs gotta do more with less because so many other teams are so hapless they need to be propped up. Seriously fuck the top 5 teams, baby shit retards that get bailed out after deliberately sucking. Hope Spurs can wheel and deal like they do or that someone falls. Going to be hilarious a million seasons from now when we're like "turns out that 22 9 pick was great for us because of the eventual asset cascade that led to San Antonio landing Allstar CP3 Jr."

[heyheymymy]

Fuck it give me

9 - Sochan
20 - trade for 2023 1st (unless Dieng/Agbaji/Davis/Eason fall)
25 - Wesley
38 - Miller or Minot

[CGD]

They did convert that war chest of picks into Tatum, Brown, Smart, and Robert Williams III and the only significant players on their team who weren't drafted by them are Horford and White. And they probably have to be considered the title favorites right now. What I'd give to see the Spurs able to pull off similar over the next ~5 years.

Fair enough, and I’ll give you that their stars came via the Nets picks (maybe enough said right there), but we have to put that MASSIVE war chest in proper context. For starters, I believe all/most of those other role players on your list were their natural picks. Then, it’s amazing to reflect on how many FRPs picks they had in the chest from all that wheeling and dealing that turned into a Romeo, Neismith, Yubasele, Ojeleyi, or RJ Hunter. And that’s not counting that they drafted Thybulle and Bane(!) and traded them away.

[PhantomDashCam]

True, it can be done. But there's no denying it's a hell of a lot harder...

Without question.

As much as I like the idea of trading up to grab a top pick, it may be in the Spurs best interest to trade down if they feel their guy will be available.
Spurs have shown lately an increased willingness to be bold with roster construction. This draft may very well be the pinnacle of that endeavor...

[John B]

No doubt, rooting for wins down the stretch is dumb for the future of the franchise. Getting passed by other teams in the last couple of months hurt the Spurs chances.

The Spurs are going to need to have a losing season or two to land franchise difference makers. Or else they are stuck building a team without top level talent.

That play-in experience or DJM playing for that MIP player which Ja undeservedly got

[Ariel]

Guys, stop blaming some phantom enemy. No one convinced us to keep fighting a lost cause for 4 years. The overhaul was due since the Kawhi debacle, and it's been put off for a misguided sense of pride. We landed exactly where our chances said we had to land. No one else to blame.

[rascal]

Guess this is what San Antonio gets for 50 years of service? Pretty stupid for Silver to miss out on a $lam dunk narrative (Spurs burst back into relevancy during their 50th season) that drives small market fanbase confidence across the league. Instead the league rewards garbage entertainment from perpetual losers.

Spurs gotta do more with less because so many other teams are so hapless they need to be propped up. Seriously fuck the top 5 teams, baby shit retards that get bailed out after deliberately sucking. Hope Spurs can wheel and deal like they do or that someone falls. Going to be hilarious a million seasons from now when we're like "turns out that 22 9 pick was great for us because of the eventual asset cascade that led to San Antonio landing Allstar CP3 Jr."

The league didn't reward any team. The lottery was run legit. The spurs chances at moving up were not good.

[Mr. Body]

Lol, the League and Silver ain't gonna help the Spurs, even if they had a lever somewhere. They despise the franchise for not steering Kawhi to the Lakers like it was supposed to. Aside from just being the Spurs. They probably want to get the Spurs to Las Vegas anyway.

It's a bit of sour grapes, but I never thought the top 4 were sure-fire hits. I can see a team having real questions about extending a guy like Jabari Smith who is never more than a highly paid role player. Good chances they're good, but each has big questions. Moving on, we have three FRPs and some flexibility. Let's get at least a couple good players.

[KingKev]

Take a look at Miami’s roster y’all. Bam was their highest pick, at #14 btw…
Edit: Correction, Herro at #13
Interested to see what moves Spurs make at the draft.

Not a very good argument. We have been drafting poorly 4 yrs in a row now.

[gambit1990]

should’ve tanked instead of trading for demar like i said at the time.

[SAGirl]

I knew it was going to be 9.. Glad it wasn't 10 tbh.

[KingKev]

Lol, the League and Silver ain't gonna help the Spurs, even if they had a lever somewhere. They despise the franchise for not steering Kawhi to the Lakers like it was supposed to. Aside from just being the Spurs. They probably want to get the Spurs to Las Vegas anyway.

It's a bit of sour grapes, but I never thought the top 4 were sure-fire hits. I can see a team having real questions about extending a guy like Jabari Smith who is never more than a highly paid role player. Good chances they're good, but each has big questions. Moving on, we have three FRPs and some flexibility. Let's get at least a couple good players.

Conspriacy theory mixed with a crystal ball. Excellent take.

[Robz4000]

Kings essentially got rewarded for their brain dead Haliburton trade

:lol not really, Haliburton is better than anyone in this draft not named Banchero/Jalen Smith.

[Ariel]

Without question.

As much as I like the idea of trading up to grab a top pick, it may be in the Spurs best interest to trade down if they feel their guy will be available.
Spurs have shown lately an increased willingness to be bold with roster construction. This draft may very well be the pinnacle of that endeavor...
Hey, I'm all for trading up, down, or whatever it takes, if it improves the talent base. I've said multiple times I like the Charlotte picks, I'm sure there's someone of REAL value there, and I'd rather have two of the same caliber player than one But if they weren't willing to risk losing Primo for extra assets last year, they likely won't risk their preferred choice now, even he's likely to fall down and the next best is very close. Sometimes you have to take a little chance if you want to win... Hope I'm wrong, but I don't think it happens.

[KingKev]

Guess this is what San Antonio gets for 50 years of service? Pretty stupid for Silver to miss out on a $lam dunk narrative (Spurs burst back into relevancy during their 50th season) that drives small market fanbase confidence across the league. Instead the league rewards garbage entertainment from perpetual losers.

Spurs gotta do more with less because so many other teams are so hapless they need to be propped up. Seriously fuck the top 5 teams, baby shit retards that get bailed out after deliberately sucking. Hope Spurs can wheel and deal like they do or that someone falls. Going to be hilarious a million seasons from now when we're like "turns out that 22 9 pick was great for us because of the eventual asset cascade that led to San Antonio landing Allstar CP3 Jr."

You can’t be this stupid? Maybe just 10yrs old yah?

[MultiTroll]

should’ve tanked instead of trading for demar like i said at the time.
Could be so far ahead by now.

Hey, we got the satisfaction of paying Softridge off, letting Patty pad for 3 more years and walk for nothing etc and next a 10th seed playoff game. Woopie!
All about Grandpa n Bryn 2018-21.

[rascal]

That play-in experience or DJM playing for that MIP player which Ja undeservedly got

Ja deserved it. He is now one of the best players in the league and elevated Memphis.

[heyheymymy]

yeah y'all are probably right but until the league changes things they are pretty much rewarding tanking in effect. Im feeling salty and irrational but cmon it's kinda a pattern with the same teams and I'm not the only one complaining about the process.

Spurs will figure something savvy out.

[Uriel]

Nice to see SpursTalk in full meltdown mode again. :lol

[Ariel]

yeah y'all are probably right but until the league changes things they are pretty much rewarding tanking in effect. Im feeling salty and irrational but cmon it's kinda a pattern with the same teams and I'm not the only one complaining about the process.
The rules are the same for everyone, the difference lies in one's choices in light of them. If there are complaints to be made about the process, now is not the day to make them. It's just reality kicking in. Hope the drafting mojo is back.

[rascal]

yeah y'all are probably right but until the league changes things they are pretty much rewarding tanking in effect. Im feeling salty and irrational but cmon it's kinda a pattern with the same teams and I'm not the only one complaining about the process.

Spurs will figure something savvy out.

Spurs are going to have a hard time without having a couple of bad league worst years to get the top talent.

They no longer have Duncan and no franchise player on the current roster.

[Mr. Body]

yeah y'all are probably right but until the league changes things they are pretty much rewarding tanking in effect. Im feeling salty and irrational but cmon it's kinda a pattern with the same teams and I'm not the only one complaining about the process.

Spurs will figure something savvy out.

Spurs hit grand slams with two of the most important drafts in the last 35 years or whatever. Boston had the best chances of getting Duncan and they wound up with Ron Mercer and Keith Van Horn. We had about a one in five chance of moving up in this draft with no sure things. We had a better chance of slipping a spot. This wasn't a bad night. It was expected.

[PhantomDashCam]

Look, we're all forgetting the real loser in all of this - timvp.
Poor Bastard has to smash out about 30 Draft Prospect Profiles now....

[DeRozan m8]

Guys, stop blaming some phantom enemy. No one convinced us to keep fighting a lost cause for 4 years. The overhaul was due since the Kawhi debacle, and it's been put off for a misguided sense of pride. We landed exactly where our chances said we had to land. No one else to blame.

We're blaming the team/franchise, idiot

[Mr. Body]

Why are you chucklefucks claiming tanking works? It doesn't fucking work. Look at Sacramento or any of those always tanking teams. OKC. They're all still terrible. They'll be terrible after this draft, too.

[rascal]

Why are you chucklefucks claiming tanking works? It doesn't fucking work. Look at Sacramento or any of those always tanking teams. OKC. They're all still terrible. They'll be terrible after this draft, too.

Tanking works. Worked for the Spurs to get Duncan.

[John B]

Ja deserved it. He is now one of the best players in the league and elevated Memphis.

It’s for another thread. But MIP awards are not for the 2nd overall pick of the draft. It’s for the non-lottery picks, undrafted who overachieved and outworked other players. That’s the definition of Most Improved Player award, improved from otherwise unspectacular beginnings.

[rascal]

Why are you chucklefucks claiming tanking works? It doesn't fucking work. Look at Sacramento or any of those always tanking teams. OKC. They're all still terrible. They'll be terrible after this draft, too.

OKC had a great team but didn't keep that team together. Phoenix turned their team around with some tanking seasons.

The only way the Spurs are going to get the top talent is to have some bad seasons. The spurs are not the Lakers and can't sign top players in their prime. The best players are usually the top few picks in the draft.

[BackHome]

Dallas Tanked for Luka........hopefully the Spurs learned a valuable lesson and that is if you want a top 5 pick you better have a bad record. Not sure what is going to happen they are so many moving parts with future draft picks, current draft picks, one year players who could be traded, free agency, etc............

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DonHarris4/status/1526739351593398272

[Ariel]

We're blaming the team/franchise, idiot
It's not directed at you, dumbf*ck:

Guess this is what San Antonio gets for 50 years of service? Pretty stupid for Silver to miss out on a $lam dunk narrative (Spurs burst back into relevancy during their 50th season) that drives small market fanbase confidence across the league. Instead the league rewards garbage entertainment from perpetual losers.

Spurs gotta do more with less because so many other teams are so hapless they need to be propped up. Seriously fuck the top 5 teams, baby shit retards that get bailed out after deliberately sucking. Hope Spurs can wheel and deal like they do or that someone falls. Going to be hilarious a million seasons from now when we're like "turns out that 22 9 pick was great for us because of the eventual asset cascade that led to San Antonio landing Allstar CP3 Jr."
On second thought, why do I bother... your chosen name says it all...

[rascal]

There are three ways to acquire players to improve the team.

Trades, Draft and Free Agency

Spurs are not good with Free agency or Trades(recent history of being too conservative with trades)

Their best chance is with the draft so putting themselves in the best position to get the top talent is their chance to get the team back near the top.

[Ocotillo]

A lot of folks say the Spurs are eventually moving to Vegas, WTF doesn't Sacramento move there?

[timtonymanu]

Memphis tanked to get Ja.
Dallas tanked to get Luka.

Funny how the sniffers always use the worst examples of front offices (Sacramento this year, Pelicans/Wolves of the years past) to convince themselves it’s a bad idea to tank. Hell even the pelicans and timberwolves were playoff teams this year.

[Mugen]

:lol See ya nerds next year when the Spurs are picking 13th tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

Guys, stop blaming some phantom enemy. No one convinced us to keep fighting a lost cause for 4 years. The overhaul was due since the Kawhi debacle, and it's been put off for a misguided sense of pride. We landed exactly where our chances said we had to land. No one else to blame.

:pop: "I need that record"

[rascal]

Memphis tanked to get Ja.
Dallas tanked to get Luka.

Funny how the sniffers always use the worst examples of front offices (Sacramento this year, Pelicans/Wolves of the years past) to convince themselves it’s a bad idea to tank. Hell even the pelicans and timberwolves were playoff teams this year.

Pelicans have the 8th pick and have a better team than the Spurs.

[tbdog]

Memphis tanked to get Ja.
Dallas tanked to get Luka.

Funny how the sniffers always use the worst examples of front offices (Sacramento this year, Pelicans/Wolves of the years past) to convince themselves it’s a bad idea to tank. Hell even the pelicans and timberwolves were playoff teams this year.

Mavs moved up to draft Luka. Imagine if the Divac drafted him instead?
Imagine if Grizz drop just one spot?
Look at the Sixers. Right, how many top 5 picks did they get? The fucking Kings have been to the conference finals more recently than them.

[slick'81]

:lol See ya nerds next year when the Spurs are picking 13th tbh


11,12&9th recently. Sounds about right

[heyheymymy]

Hey I'm just a Spurs fan hoping for the team to defy statistical likelihood and jump in the top 4 because I want to the Spurs to do well. I never misunderstood the poor odds of that happening though, I've been right here pouring over these odds the whole time leading up to this and besides I'm not too shattered tbh 9th is pretty good at least we didn't fall and I'm high on Sochan if possible anyway. Everyone on this board knew the likelihoods of where SA might land and were still pulling for top 4 too. Doesn't mean we didn't understand the odds just cheering for the best possible outcome.

This is a narrative driven league and I'm just suggesting that a decent storyline got left on the table. And I never said the rules weren't followed tonight I said I thought they inherently reward bad entertainment which is almost a cliche consensus among NBA discussions. No big deal, top 4 wasn't going to bring a true game changer anyway I'm just anxious to flip this house faster so the better the pick the better the talent but I agree it historically usually takes a few more tanks to rebuild which I'm pro tank go look back at my posts from 21-22 reg season.

It's all good Front Office will know what to do, look at the trade deadline, we are in good hands and if there's a deal Spurs will pounce.

[tonight...you]

Tanking works. Worked for the Spurs to get Duncan.
There's no Duncan in this Draft.

[Ariel]

Memphis tanked to get Ja.
Dallas tanked to get Luka.
Memphis was in a 3 way tie for 7th worst record but lucked into the 2nd pick and took Ja, rejecting multiple offers from the Pelicans (lucky and smart).
Dallas kind of did, but picked 5th and traded up for Luka (smart and shrewd).

[superbigtime]

I've been waiting and waiting for ... No. 9? No hats and rabbits tonight The math won.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Nice to see SpursTalk in full meltdown mode again. :lol

[rascal]

Nice to see SpursTalk in full meltdown mode again. :lol

Just wait until draft night.

It will be worse when the spurs draft a surprise at 9 and trade away one of the 20 picks for a future draft pick.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTAOTY0UcAEku9V?format=jpg&name=large

[DesignatedT]

Trade 9 and one of the 20s for 6 and draft Murray

[gilmor2002]

Getting ready to start Dragon Quest 3 tbh. Dying Light 2 was disappointing as hell after Elden Ring.

Elden ring is the best game fromSoftware.. no comparison

[KobesAchilles]

Anti-tankers are hilarious. We have a great history of developing players. Much better than the Kings or the Wolves. We can develop Tony, Manu, Kawhi, and now Murray but for some reason we would t be able to develop the player at the very top of our leaderboard? That doesn’t make sense at all.

And stop using the 76ers as proof that tanking doesn’t work bc they traded for Tobias Harris and Jimmy Butler and James Harden. Are we going to say that trades don’t help win championships either? Makes zero sense to bring them up with tanking and then say well we can make trades to make us better. They did both and tbh they are their own special case. Nobody in NBA history has failed like the 76ers have in the quest for a ring :lol

Id rather tank for a year and believe that our team can pick a guy at the #1 pick and build him up the way that not other team can. If we believe they can do it for the 9th pick or the 29th pick then we should have more faith they can do it for the #1 pick

[Gibbz]

I'm not crazy about A.J. Griffin, but if the FO goes with him I'll trust them over my takes.

[baseline bum]

Elden ring is the best game fromSoftware.. no comparison

I have a hard time picking between it and Bloodborne, but loved Elden Ring enough to do three playthroughs back to back to back.

[gilmor2002]

I have a hard time picking between it and Bloodborne, but loved Elden Ring enough to do three playthroughs back to back to back.

omg, u de best. I haven't even finished 1 playthrough.... Reaching Mountain of the Giants and Flame peak.

[Ariel]

I'm not crazy about A.J. Griffin, but if the FO goes with him I'll trust them over my takes.
Having Mathurin and Sochan go in front of our noses and using the 9th pick on another guard who's 18 going on 80 would be the icing on the cake. Trade up, down, get a veteran, give the pick to charity... but don't do that. Please.

[vy65]

I don't understand the anti-tanker view. The Spurs have only enjoyed success by tanking for DRob and then TD. Those are your foundational pieces - without them, Manu, Tony, etc... don't matter as much.

Having a winning culture, expectations, etc... is great. But not if it comes at the expense of overall growth. It was fantastic that the team got crushed by NOP in the play in. But what tangible value did that provide? And is that purported value greater or less than having a higher pick?

Overall, many have said that the team lacks clear direction. Getting the 9th pick today is a reflection of that lack of direction. There's really not much if any reason to believe that the team's situation will be any different 1 year from today.

[vy65]

The irony is that it's not inconceivable that Houston will end up having a brighter future come draft day.

[rascal]

Having Mathurin and Sochan go in front of our noses and using the 9th pick on another guard who's 18 going on 80 would be the icing on the cake. Trade up, down, get a veteran, give the pick to charity... but don't do that. Please.

Duren will still be on the board.

[baseline bum]

A lot of folks say the Spurs are eventually moving to Vegas, WTF doesn't Sacramento move there?

Kings just got a new arena 6 years ago. But they were on the verge of moving to Anaheim before Kevin Johnson got the city of Sacramento to give them like $280 million in welfare for that arena.

[Mr. Body]

You tanker goobers don't get how lucky the Spurs were to get Robinson and Duncan. You freaks think this happens any time a team tanks. It's just pure idiocy on your part, just a complete misunderstanding of how tanking teams usually spin in the shitcycle for years once they start doing it. We've already discussed this ad nauseum and it's stupid to continue.

[rascal]

You tanker goobers don't get how lucky the Spurs were to get Robinson and Duncan. You freaks think this happens any time a team tanks. It's just pure idiocy on your part, just a complete misunderstanding of how tanking teams usually spin in the shitcycle for years once they start doing it. We've already discussed this ad nauseum and it's stupid to continue.

Of course Robinson and Duncan quality players are not in this draft but I'd rather have J. Smith, Sharpe, Banchero, Ivey, Murray than who the spurs will get at 9.

They just needed a few more losses to slide into Sacramento's position and get that top four pick to be in position to add a better player out of this draft.

[Uriel]

https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sa.png&w=110&h=1109. San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)Dyson Daniels
G League Ignite
PG/SG
Age: 19.1
The Spurs have quite a few young players in the backcourt but are in full-fledged talent-acquisition mode and will be thinking hard about picking the best long-term prospect they can acquire with this pick. Adding a versatile guard who can play in a variety of lineup configurations and do a little bit of everything could be attractive here, especially considering the type of players Gregg Popovich typically values. Daniels is an outstanding defender who fills up the box score with rebounds, assists, blocks and steals, and has plenty of upside to grow into considering he just turned 19 years old.

[SAGirl]

Ja deserved it. He is now one of the best players in the league and elevated Memphis.
Caution you will incense a lot of guy here for stating the obvious and not hear the end of it until you are just exhausted...

[Uriel]

Really started this day dreaming of Banchero and now have to settle for AJ Griffin or Dyson Daniels :lol

[vy65]

You tanker goobers don't get how lucky the Spurs were to get Robinson and Duncan. You freaks think this happens any time a team tanks. It's just pure idiocy on your part, just a complete misunderstanding of how tanking teams usually spin in the shitcycle for years once they start doing it. We've already discussed this ad nauseum and it's stupid to continue.

This is a retarded false dichotomy. The question isn’t whether a Duncan-tier player is available in this draft. The question is whether the team is improved by having a few extra wins and getting stomped in the play in vs a few extra losses and getting a better prospect than another PG/SG whose upside is Derrick White.

[vy65]

As someone who wants the team to move to Austin, today was a great day.

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Trade up?

Yes. Offer 20, 25, and next year's team first. A team like Sacramento might jump at that given they need LOTS of help and not just one draftee to change everything. Next year is likely to have a deeper draft class too

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The irony is that it's not inconceivable that Houston will end up having a brighter future come draft day.

Thats, uh, likely before the draft.

[SAGirl]

Memphis tanked to get Ja.
Dallas tanked to get Luka.

Funny how the sniffers always use the worst examples of front offices (Sacramento this year, Pelicans/Wolves of the years past) to convince themselves it’s a bad idea to tank. Hell even the pelicans and timberwolves were playoff teams this year.
Memphis didn't necessarily tank. They were trying to win but their core got old and couldn't take them! To the playoffs even. Remember Gasol bickering with the coach and that team sucking? Yeah that wasn't on purpose. Father time is undefeated. Where they were smart is that they realized that they couldn't extract winning seasons out of a core that had dwindled to aging Gasol and an injured Conley, it was time to embrace the rebuild and traded them for assets getting them lucky inn the draft two years in a row and changing their entire coaching and FO leaders for a rebuild.

Dallas was kind of the same. They tried to get whatever winning they could out of rosters around Nowitzki, until he retired and they embraced the tank for one season to get Luka🙏🙏.

Both teams though had simply aged to the end of the usefulness of their core and had to rebuild.

Where Spurs sucked was going against what was inevitable with the retirement of the big 3 and Kawhi bolting. They had assets to embrace a rebuild if they centered packages on young players and picks with the possibility of a quick turnaround like Memphis and Dallas. But no. They went with Derozan and here we are. 5 years later bickering over a MIP award.

I 'd embrace the tank for Wembayama next season but we know they are hoping someone falls to them or maybe for Primo to finally hit that growth stage... Which is why I suggest trades to try to make lemonade out of lemons.

[rankingtear]

Memphis tanked to get Ja.
Dallas tanked to get Luka.

Funny how the sniffers always use the worst examples of front offices (Sacramento this year, Pelicans/Wolves of the years past) to convince themselves it’s a bad idea to tank. Hell even the pelicans and timberwolves were playoff teams this year.
Mem did not tank. They were saved by the new odds.

[SAGirl]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTAOTY0UcAEku9V?format=jpg&name=large
AJ Griffin? noooooo meltdown mode activated.

[spurspl]

sPuRs GoNnA jUmP iNtO tOp 4 XD

[DPG21920]

I hate AJ Griffin lol - thats like one of 3 guys I really dont want at 9. I am good with so many others

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Sigh. It sucks that two other teams in our same division are likely going to get 2 of Chet, Banchero, or Smith and we'll be facing them 4 times each year each. Guessing Chet goes to OKC if Magic dont take him. Likely leaves Smith to Rockets, which unfortunately might be the player they need to really start to take off. OKC already beat us once this season and twice last season with a bunch of scrubs.

Now theyve got Giddey in season 2, Poku in season 3 (both of whom are already producing triple dubs), plus a bunch of eager young scrappers in SGA, Dort, and Roby. They seem to be on a better trajectory than the Spurs now.

For sure, Houston does as well, with their young guns and multiple stockpiled picks, too. Dallas obviously is stacked for years with Luka and crew. If they add Giannis this year or next, as some are predicting they might, the entire League is furked, not just our division. Then you've got Memphis which scares the hell out of veteran teams like the Dubs, and who won 60+ games, many games of which were WITHOUT Ja.

All of that leads to the really disheartening reality that the Spurs are likely facing more mediocrity or worse over the next decade or so, barring a homerun in the draft. Very whemling day to be sure.

[SAGirl]

I mean Spurs may eventually just simply suck enough as to be hopeless. I always think they aren't going to be that bad while you have Jakob. But trade away Jakob and substitute a Gleague center and yea. It's tank season and empty stats galore.

[ragas]

Never saw so much whining from grown men. Tanking is for losers. Tell me: How many champions of the last years were tanking to get their top players?

[davi78239]

Conspiracy theory here. What if the spurs are kinda trying to suck on purpose to disinterest fans, leading to crap attendance and then move the franchise out of SA?

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Conspiracy theory here. What if the spurs are kinda trying to suck on purpose to disinterest fans, leading to crap attendance and then move the franchise out of SA?

Since you started it off with "conspiracy theory" up front, I won't roast you, but that'd make them morons for just investing how many ever tens of millions they spent on their new training facility complex.

I think they probably have every intention of staying here...for now. If they start hemorrhaging cash due to poor play --> leading to poor attendance year over year, I could see them move in 2032 or whenver their lease expires. But its idiocy to think their first move would be to Vegas when they could easily move right up the road to Austin which will be a city the size SA is now (~1.3M or 1.4M) in 2032. The metro areas will basically be one in the same by then too. And you already have a familiarity and interest from the fans here. It would be a stupid business move to completely uproot them to Vegas, and start from scratch, when everything they would be seeking is 90 miles up IH-35. Austin would draw FAs that SA won't. And if an arena could be built in like Buda or Kyle or San Marcos, they'd basically pull from both areas anyway.

[BackHome]

There is still a chance this season if Pop keeps the draft picks mostly in the G League training school and if we trade Poodle. Yes, loosing Poodle would hurt us as we would have Landale and Collins playing center but in the long run it would probably net us a nice first draft pick and maybe a young player and since we would be bad we would land a top 5 pick -

Sometimes ya got to take a step backwards to move forward

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Meh, 9th is fine. The time to get lucky with ping pong balls is next year. This draft is weak at the top.

[Mr. Body]

Is Paolo Banchero that much better than Keegan Murray?
Is Jabari Smith that much better than Ousmane Dieng?
Is Jaden Ivey that much better than Benedict Mathurin?
Is Chet Holmgren that much better than [Jalen Duren/Jeremy Sochan]?

There's not a best comp for Holmgren, but these are serious questions. Tier 1 does not seem completely above Tier 2 to me. Of course I'd rather have Banchero or possibly Ivey, but it's not hard to imagine each comp being better than the ones we 'lost out' on. Keegan Murray was a better college player than Banchero. Mathurin might already be better than Ivey, period. Dieng has to grow to reach the others, but if Smith remains two dimensional, it's not hard to see him becoming better.

[heyheymymy]

So tell me about this Wembanyama then lol I'm lookin ahead

[Ariel]

There is still a chance this season if Pop keeps the draft picks mostly in the G League training school and if we trade Poodle. Yes, loosing Poodle would hurt us as we would have Landale and Collins playing center but in the long run it would probably net us a nice first draft pick and maybe a young player and since we would be bad we would land a top 5 pick -

Sometimes ya got to take a step backwards to move forward
Sometimes people go bananas when someone mentions the word "tank", like it means players putting the ball through their own hoop, and it's just as simple as what you describe: you trade the right player for assets (someone critical to your roster, whom you can't replace), and the dominoes start falling.
The Spurs have no replacement for Poeltl, you trade him without proper replacement, you just cost yourself 5/10 extra games, no sweat. That may have been a likely scenario if we had traded Poeltl at the deadline.

[KingKev]

Spurs hit grand slams with two of the most important drafts in the last 35 years or whatever. Boston had the best chances of getting Duncan and they wound up with Ron Mercer and Keith Van Horn. We had about a one in five chance of moving up in this draft with no sure things. We had a better chance of slipping a spot. This wasn't a bad night. It was expected.

Billups not Van Horn

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Never saw so much whining from grown men. Tanking is for losers. Tell me: How many champions of the last years were tanking to get their top players?

We tanked for Duncan.

Thing is we sat Robinson and Pop had them trying and playing hard. They just had no talent.

These ninnies want to throw games. That is the idiocy.

[Drom John]

Look, we're all forgetting the real loser in all of this - timvp.
Poor Bastard has to smash out about 30 Draft Prospect Profiles now....

The lottery wasn't going to change #20, #25, #38.
Expect at least 38 total profiles.
And two more after the draft for two Spurs picks not profiled.

[rjv]

nice to see three teams (detroit, portland and indiana) suffer the consequences of tanking although sac town did reap the benefits.

[KingKev]

nice to see three teams (detroit, portland and indiana) suffer the consequences of tanking although sac town did reap the benefits.

Was still the right move.

[rjv]

I mean Spurs may eventually just simply suck enough as to be hopeless. I always think they aren't going to be that bad while you have Jakob. But trade away Jakob and substitute a Gleague center and yea. It's tank season and empty stats galore.

only one team last night saw tanking pay off. with all that is happening with the franchise right now, the most inane thing to do would be to deplete its roster for the sake of tanking.

[rjv]

Was still the right move.

sac hasn't been relevant for 20 years. the 4th pick of this year's draft is not going to be a game changer.

[Ariel]

nice to see three teams (detroit, portland and indiana) suffer the consequences of tanking although sac town did reap the benefits.
If you consider the fact that they also lost an extra lottery pick when NO made the playoffs, Portland is the team that saw their chances drop the most. I wouldn't be surprised if they trade the pick in a package for a Jerami Grant S&T

[Strategic]

If you consider the fact that they also lost an extra lottery pick when NO made the playoffs, Portland is the team that saw their chances drop the most. I wouldn't be surprised if they trade the pick in a package for a Jerami Grant S&T
Grant hasn’t been able to stick anywhere but I’ve always liked his game.

[Seventyniner]

sac hasn't been relevant since for 20 years. the 4th pick of this year's draft is not going to be a game changer.

When you take Marvin Bagley ahead of Luka Doncic, tanking more isn't the answer to your problems.

[SAGirl]

When you take Marvin Bagley ahead of Luka Doncic, tanking more isn't the answer to your problems.
A fact many ignore…. Or they think Spurs are in that level of bad drafting.

[Ariel]

Grant hasn’t been able to stick anywhere but I’ve always liked his game.
Well, he was very raw when he came into the league, and it took him a while to develop. But Denver was shocked when he elected not to sign with them, as he went to Detroit looking for a bigger offensive role. He did very well in Detroit, and if he doesn't stay there, it's not because he underwhelmed, but because he may have priced himself out of their price range and time line.

[KingKev]

sac hasn't been relevant for 20 years. the 4th pick of this year's draft is not going to be a game changer.

Just as much as their inability to draft as it is player development and trades.

Our advantages in drafting, scouting and developing would be magnified with better picks.

The Sac, Philly process argument is weak to me.

[rjv]

Just as much as their inability to draft as it is player development and trades.

Our advantages in drafting, scouting and developing would be magnified with better picks.

The Sac, Philly process argument is weak to me.

that wasn't an argument; it was an observation.

[KingKev]

If you consider the fact that they also lost an extra lottery pick when NO made the playoffs, Portland is the team that saw their chances drop the most. I wouldn't be surprised if they trade the pick in a package for a Jerami Grant S&T

Bledsoe is a very useful tool for draft day trades. I believe he can be traded and subsequently waived with inly 3.9mm so Grant for Bledsoe and that FRP makes a ton of sense for both sides.

[Arcadian]

Is this our highest draft pick since Duncan?

[Drom John]

Spurs drafts #9 or earlier:

1997 #1 Tim Duncan
1989 #3 Sean Elliott
1987 #1 David Robinson
1984 #7 Alvin Robertson
1975 #7 Mark Olberding
1974 #5 Tom Boerwinkle
1973 #7 Kevin Kunnert
<1973 draft order within a team was secret for salary negotiation reasons, but
1971 #1 Jim McDaniels, Wikipedia says McDaniels was overall #1

[TD 21]

Take a look at Miami’s roster y’all. Bam was their highest pick, at #14 btw…
Edit: Correction, Herro at #13
Interested to see what moves Spurs make at the draft.

They got Butler primarily because of location.

The Jazz are a better example with Gobert and Mitchell, but pulling that off is a fluke and even despite it they've never been legit contenders.


Guys, stop blaming some phantom enemy. No one convinced us to keep fighting a lost cause for 4 years. The overhaul was due since the Kawhi debacle, and it's been put off for a misguided sense of pride. We landed exactly where our chances said we had to land. No one else to blame.

There's a long history of small and/or non glamor markets having something conspire against them and magically having lottery luck in short order.

Obviously, they shouldn't be absolved for not helping themselves, but Scumbag screwed them, the league allowed it to happen and they've now had 3 chances to somewhat make it up to them and failed.

The league hates this franchise from their being uncooperative partners unlike previous dynasties, as well as for load management.