Jaden Ivey - 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/jaden-ivey-dejounte-murray-san-antonio-spurs-draft/

After diving deep, I like Ivey more than I thought I would. He's still behind Banchero, Holmgren and Smith but he's likely on the same tier.

[KingKev]

With #4 it’s a no brainer. Instant starter at the 2. Primo’s inevitable 2-3yr development becomes an after thought and Vassell can be a sweetener along with some combo of Dougie, Keldon, Jak and/or JRich for a quality starting wing/big.

[Robz4000]

Just don't see the fit with him and Murray tbh. Even if Ivey can become an above average shooter (he'd definitely have to change his shot) it'd be like the White/Murray pairing all over imo. That being said if he's there you take him and figure it out later as you said; kid might have the highest potential of anyone in this draft.

[John B]

I agree. The kid is oozing with potential, and the similarities to Ja is exciting. But I don’t get the fit with Murray. Ivey needs the ball on his hands a lot, and yes it’s a Murray/White all over again, except Ivey is a much better prospect especially as a go-to scorer. Shaedon is a better fit at SG especially if his potentials are met. Again, I wouldn’t be at all upset if Spurs selected Ivey :bobo

[exstatic]

Watching Ja get injured, and following the path of Rose and IT makes me wary of that model of guard, smallish, but with explosive athleticism. I won’t hate it if he’s the pick, but I won’t love it, either, and his career will likely be shorter than average.

[Trueblood]

You take BPA and let the rest work itself out and i think that may be Ivey. We aren't contenders so looking for 'the right piece' isn't what we should be thinking. Some people are still wanting us to draft like we're a top seed with the Big 3 still on the roster. Our singular question should be who has the highest ceiling when we pick? Anyone who tells you different is lying to you and themselves.

[Mr. Body]

Watching Ja get injured, and following the path of Rose and IT makes me wary of that model of guard, smallish, but with explosive athleticism. I won’t hate it if he’s the pick, but I won’t love it, either, and his career will likely be shorter than average.

Same. Also, I don't know if the Spurs want a ball-dominant guard. It's not a format they've used since Gervin. Ball-sharing and multiple points of attack seem more their thing.

[pad300]

As mentioned in the previous discussion, I have a clear top 2, Holmgren and then Banchero. After that, things get messy...

My worry with Ivey is his lack of creation for others... Anyone thinking he's Morant, should think again. Morant averaged 9.9 ast/36, Ivey 3.5 ast/36. Morant had a 1.94 A/TO ratio and Ivey a 1.17 A/TO. Morant was also a slightly better shooter. Ivey is a hell of an athlete with a strong drive game, but he'll need to improve his shooting in the NBA. To be great, he's going to have to have enough passing to be a triple threat (drive/shoot/pass), and that's a lot of growth in an area he hasn't shown much in...

Overall, to me, he's in a muddle with Jabari Smith and Shaedon Sharpe in the 2nd tier. Sorting that out is personalities (who you think will be the guy who works the most on his game), and for that, we have to trust the spurs interview process...

[Russ]

Anyone thinking he's Morant, should think again.

[Chinook]

So I didn't see Morant's injury. I don't know if it was similar to what happened with Rose. But I think it's absolutely ridiculous to lump Rose, Morant, Ivey and fucking Isaiah Thomas into the same group. Ivey is seven inches taller than IT -- he's closer in height to many centers. I certainly understand factoring positional value into a board, but trying to use "What if he becomes and MVP candidate and then gets injured" as some strike against him is obscene.

I like Ivey quite a bit, and I think the Spurs should do their due diligence on him if they have the opportunity to draft him. Like every pick, he'd have risks, but I'm not sure he's a worse prospect coming out than Anthony Edwards was, and Ant is well on his way to being a high-impact player.

People keep looking for a finishing superstar in the draft. Banchero may well be the guy, but getting someone who's probably going to be an elite role-player/third member of a big three is fine. Passing up on a guard who you think will be the best player in the draft in the hopes one of the bigs is good enough to complete the lineup is not. I don't do college scouting. I'm not standing on the table for anyone. But the Spurs should be looking at talent first, personality second and fit as a distant afterthought. Simply put, there's not a single player on the roster who should determine what position the Spurs should draft. I'm totally down with Banchero being the pick and potentially creating a situation where the Spurs get a Seattle reunion with Lavine. But I'm equally okay with the Spurs picking Ivey and then using their other picks/assets to bring in a PF. Both of those scenarios would be awesome, and hopefully the lottery allows the Spurs to do that. But the draft is only a small part of what the Spurs can and should do this off-season. It's probably not going to be the franchise-defining element many Spurs fans seem to want to believe it still is.

[KingKev]

Same. Also, I don't know if the Spurs want a ball-dominant guard. It's not a format they've used since Gervin. Ball-sharing and multiple points of attack seem more their thing.

DDR has entered the chat. That’s a very good point though.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Not sold on the Spurs using a top-4 pick on another 6’ 4” guard. I sure hope we successfully add some athletic length this year.

[John B]

DDR has entered the chat. That’s a very good point though.

I think the comparison with DDR ends at ball dominant. Choke is not in this kid’s vocabulary.

[Chris Fall]

I watched quite a bit of Ivey. The notion of him not creating enough for teammates is not wrong but a little misplaced. It also goes to the idea that he needs the ball in his hands, which is definitely not true. For Purdue, he played largely without the ball in his hands, off the ball. There would be stretches in games where he would get ball dominant because the team needed him to be aggressive, and a lot of that would come in the form of open court, coast to coast type plays, so he'd have the ball in his hands the entire time. But mostly, he's more of an off guard than a point guard. Inevitably, he'll likely shrink to 6'3, maybe even 6'2 since the NBA has standardized height listings to height without shoes. And that might become a sticking point for criticism. A 6'2 off guard who is not an elite shooter invites questions, red flags.

But he's quite long for his height, 6'9 wingspan and he's obviously elite athletically. I actually think Dwyane Wade could be a ceiling comparison. The kid has an "it" factor to him. Something that might be lacking with Banchero, Smith, and maybe even Holmgren if he weren't a 7'1 unicorn.

I do think Ivey has the highest ceiling of those top 4. But like all prospects, he may never come close to reaching it. So it maybe a safer play to target a Banchero or Smith.

[Uriel]

"No more 6"4 guards!!!!!" - SpursTalk

[KobesAchilles]

My dream pick. I love his game and athleticism and if Chip can redo Murray’s shot then he can redo Iveys. If the downside is having an MVP that gets hurt one day then… that’s literally every MVP ever

[BatManu20]

Future OKC pick tbh.

[Trueblood]

So I didn't see Morant's injury. I don't know if it was similar to what happened with Rose. But I think it's absolutely ridiculous to lump Rose, Morant, Ivey and fucking Isaiah Thomas into the same group. Ivey is seven inches taller than IT -- he's closer in height to many centers. I certainly understand factoring positional value into a board, but trying to use "What if he becomes and MVP candidate and then gets injured" as some strike against him is obscene.

I like Ivey quite a bit, and I think the Spurs should do their due diligence on him if they have the opportunity to draft him. Like every pick, he'd have risks, but I'm not sure he's a worse prospect coming out than Anthony Edwards was, and Ant is well on his way to being a high-impact player.

People keep looking for a finishing superstar in the draft. Banchero may well be the guy, but getting someone who's probably going to be an elite role-player/third member of a big three is fine. Passing up on a guard who you think will be the best player in the draft in the hopes one of the bigs is good enough to complete the lineup is not. I don't do college scouting. I'm not standing on the table for anyone. But the Spurs should be looking at talent first, personality second and fit as a distant afterthought. Simply put, there's not a single player on the roster who should determine what position the Spurs should draft. I'm totally down with Banchero being the pick and potentially creating a situation where the Spurs get a Seattle reunion with Lavine. But I'm equally okay with the Spurs picking Ivey and then using their other picks/assets to bring in a PF. Both of those scenarios would be awesome, and hopefully the lottery allows the Spurs to do that. But the draft is only a small part of what the Spurs can and should do this off-season. It's probably not going to be the franchise-defining element many Spurs fans seem to want to believe it still is.

This is what I've been saying. Spurs fans are suffering from cultural lag. 10 years ago we drafted based off positional need to round out a contending roster. That's not how you draft in a rebuild. And please don't let DJ's allstar status fool you into believing that we've rounded the corner from rebuild to contender. We are not one player away from a championship, we're another allstar away from being a top 4 WC team at best.

We should not be drafting for fit and all these folks on here trying to figure out how a player will fit on this roster are stuck in 2012. We aren't getting another allstar in free agency, it will only come through the draft. So draft for talent, period.

[KingKev]

My dream pick. I love his game and athleticism and if Chip can redo Murray’s shot then he can redo Iveys. If the downside is having an MVP that gets hurt one day then… that’s literally every MVP ever

Lol Spurstalk doesn’t like players who jump high because they are all the next D Rose.

Derrick White was a China doll but also a Spurstalk fan favourite because he jumped high 4 years ago versus Denver in the playoffs.

[John B]

This is what I've been saying. Spurs fans are suffering from cultural lag. 10 years ago we drafted based off positional need to round out a contending roster. That's not how you draft in a rebuild. And please don't let DJ's allstar status fool you into believing that we've rounded the corner from rebuild to contender. We are not one player away from a championship, we're another allstar away from being a top 4 WC team at best.

We should not be drafting for fit and all these folks on here trying to figure out how a player will fit on this roster are stuck in 2012. We aren't getting another allstar in free agency, it will only come through the draft. So draft for talent, period.

I get your point. But if Spurs drew the #1 pick, would you draft Ivey? I see a lot of potential similarities with Ja, but still it’s a big IF his game translate. While any of Banchero, Chet and Smith immediately address Spurs gaping hole at PF position. I mean if we’re talking generational talent like Timmy, f@ck it, draft the guy and build the roster around him. Ivey could be or not. There’s a big if.

[Trueblood]

I get your point. But if Spurs drew the #1 pick, would you draft Ivey? I see a lot of potential similarities with Ja, but still it’s a big IF his game translate. While any of Banchero, Chet and Smith immediately address Spurs gaping hole at PF position. I mean if we’re talking generational talent like Timmy, f@ck it, draft the guy and build the roster around him. Ivey could be or not. There’s a big if.

Great question, simple answer, no. My claim isn't that Ivey is the best in the draft, it's a rebuttal to all those people saying they're willing to pass on him because he's "not a good fit" for the current roster. You don't pass up talent for fit unless you're one of the top contenders or a strong free agent destination and you can afford to do it. We are neither so my argument is take the BPA regardless of position or fit.

[rascal]

Great question, simple answer, no. My claim isn't that Ivey is the best in the draft, it's a rebuttal to all those people saying they're willing to pass on him because he's "not a good fit" for the current roster. You don't pass up talent for fit unless you're one of the top contenders or a strong free agent destination and you can afford to do it. We are neither so my argument is take the BPA regardless of position or fit.

Agree, you fit the other players around the top talent you'll get in the draft.

Make a trade to address roster fit later but go for best player available and the player with the highest potential regardless of position.

[Ice009]

I watched quite a bit of Ivey. The notion of him not creating enough for teammates is not wrong but a little misplaced. It also goes to the idea that he needs the ball in his hands, which is definitely not true. For Purdue, he played largely without the ball in his hands, off the ball. There would be stretches in games where he would get ball dominant because the team needed him to be aggressive, and a lot of that would come in the form of open court, coast to coast type plays, so he'd have the ball in his hands the entire time. But mostly, he's more of an off guard than a point guard. Inevitably, he'll likely shrink to 6'3, maybe even 6'2 since the NBA has standardized height listings to height without shoes. And that might become a sticking point for criticism. A 6'2 off guard who is not an elite shooter invites questions, red flags.

But he's quite long for his height, 6'9 wingspan and he's obviously elite athletically. I actually think Dwyane Wade could be a ceiling comparison. The kid has an "it" factor to him. Something that might be lacking with Banchero, Smith, and maybe even Holmgren if he weren't a 7'1 unicorn.

I do think Ivey has the highest ceiling of those top 4. But like all prospects, he may never come close to reaching it. So it maybe a safer play to target a Banchero or Smith.

That's what I am envisioning (D-Wade type of ceiling), and if I had the number 1 pick, I'd take JI. Hopefully the Spurs can somehow get into the top 4, and if they do, I hope no other team takes him before whatever pick the Spurs have. If the Spurs were to somehow get him, it'd probably be the next best draft moment to me after drafting TD (obviously not as good as the day we got the number 1 pick to draft TD as I was beyond ecstatic that day, but I think it would be next on my list - the Spurs have only had one high lottery pick in my time watching them, so not much else to compare to, can't always find a Manu and TP that low in the draft). Man, it would be awesome to go back in time. I was so hyped up the day we got the number 1 pick in the 1997 draft (I told my friend we're going to win it all with TD). Before winning the draft lottery that year, I remember there was talk about drafting Danny Fortson to pair with D-Rob. Amazing how different the trajectory would be been had the Spurs not won the draft lottery. Anyway, I could be wrong, but I feel this kid is going to be good.

[Dejounte]

Jaden Ivey doesn’t “need the ball a lot” :lmao

[rascal]

Ivey can be an explosive go to scorer and will be great running with Murray.

Will make the spurs more exciting with those two guys able to get quick baskets off a turnover or long pass on the break.
That's missing from the Spurs current roster, few easy break baskets because the team lacks overall athleticism.

[DPG21920]

Hes someone that if other teams are not “sold” on him at 4, and that if SA does not land a top 4 pick, I hope SA can trade up for. If Ivey falls to like pick 5-7, SA use 9 + 20 to move up (or something in that mold). I think hes the one of the top 4 that has best shot at falling some and SA moving up to get.

[rascal]

Hes someone that if other teams are not “sold” on him at 4, and that if SA does not land a top 4 pick, I hope SA can trade up for. If Ivey falls to like pick 5-7, SA use 9 + 20 to move up (or something in that mold). I think hes the one of the top 4 that has best shot at falling some and SA moving up to get.

Only shot is the Spurs landing the 4th pick and getting him there.

I don't see them trading up to get him.
And if they land a top 3 pick will probably not take him.

[rascal]

Hes someone that if other teams are not “sold” on him at 4, and that if SA does not land a top 4 pick, I hope SA can trade up for. If Ivey falls to like pick 5-7, SA use 9 + 20 to move up (or something in that mold). I think hes the one of the top 4 that has best shot at falling some and SA moving up to get.

Only shot is the Spurs landing the 4th pick and getting him there.

I don't see them trading up to get him.
And if they land a top 3 pick will probably not take him.

[DPG21920]

Only shot is the Spurs landing the 4th pick and getting him there.

I don't see them trading up to get him.
And if they land a top 3 pick will probably not take him.

Likely true - but as I said, out of the projected top 4, he seems to be the one MOST likely (may not be likely overall) to fall/be attainable via trade up

[mo7888]

Only shot is the Spurs landing the 4th pick and getting him there.

I don't see them trading up to get him.
And if they land a top 3 pick will probably not take him.

I have Jaden solidly locked in at 4 on my personal board but, I could see a scenario where a team falls in love with Sharpe and they take him at 4 instead...I could also see an indy or Portland taking Murray over him...so falling to 6 isn't out of the question here...I think it's more likely he's goes 4 but I think 6 is the absolute floor for him.

[exstatic]

I have Jaden solidly locked in at 4 on my personal board but, I could see a scenario where a team falls in love with Sharpe and they take him at 4 instead...I could also see an indy or Portland taking Murray over him...so falling to 6 isn't out of the question here...I think it's more likely he's goes 4 but I think 6 is the absolute floor for him.

There are usually only two to three players that are real locks. Last year, Toronto went off the map with, coincidentally, pick #4, selecting Scotty Barnes, and causing Jalen Suggs to drop to #5. There had been a consensus top 4 across most mocks for months.

If teams feel that his 3 pt shooting won't translate, he could drop a spot or two.

[The Truth #6]

I would love for us to be at a high pick to be able to pick him, though I could see the team taking Keegan Murray over Jaden Ivey, but who knows.

[R. DeMurre]

It's funny how when a name gets hot, people immediately start comping that name in draft comparisons. Ja Morant's definitely that guy now. Ivey is super athletic? Ah, he must be like Ja Morant. But he's really not at all. Ivey averaged far fewer assists than De'Aaron Fox, who in turn averaged far fewer assists than Ja... And Ivey's advanced stats in college are about as far below Fox's as Fox's were below Ja's. Same for assist-to-turnover-ratio. Change that comp from like Morant to like Fox but with fewer assists and better three point shooting and questionable defense (though neither Fox or Morant are great defensively either) or Morant with fewer points, assists, & steals or from combo guard to undersized shooting guard and I think people aren't quite as excited. That first comp usually draws people in, and in this case I think the Morant comp is way off. Obviously a talented scorer, but I guess I immediately try to think of what team has won a title featuring a high scoring undersized SG lately? Miami with D Wade? Dallas with Jason Terry? It's certainly not impossible.

[exstatic]

It's funny how when a name gets hot, people immediately start comping that name in draft comparisons. Ja Morant's definitely that guy now. Ivey is super athletic? Ah, he must be like Ja Morant. But he's really not at all. Ivey averaged far fewer assists than De'Aaron Fox, who in turn averaged far fewer assists than Ja... And Ivey's advanced stats in college are about as far below Fox's as Fox's were below Ja's. Same for assist-to-turnover-ratio. Change that comp from like Morant to like Fox but with fewer assists and better three point shooting and questionable defense (though neither Fox or Morant are great defensively either) or Morant with fewer points, assists, & steals or from combo guard to undersized shooting guard and I think people aren't quite as excited. That first comp usually draws people in, and in this case I think the Morant comp is way off. Obviously a talented scorer, but I guess I immediately try to think of what team has won a title featuring a high scoring undersized SG lately? Miami with D Wade? Dallas with Jason Terry? It's certainly not impossible.

Golden State, multiple times…

[KingKev]

Golden State, multiple times…

When you get a chance can you acknowledge you were wrong regarding cap space in the Lavine thread.

[exstatic]

When you get a chance can you acknowledge you were wrong regarding cap space in the Lavine thread.

Not my numbers. I told you it was Spotrac. Take their weird methodology up with them.

[JPB]

It's funny how when a name gets hot, people immediately start comping that name in draft comparisons. Ja Morant's definitely that guy now. Ivey is super athletic? Ah, he must be like Ja Morant. But he's really not at all. Ivey averaged far fewer assists than De'Aaron Fox, who in turn averaged far fewer assists than Ja... And Ivey's advanced stats in college are about as far below Fox's as Fox's were below Ja's. Same for assist-to-turnover-ratio. Change that comp from like Morant to like Fox but with fewer assists and better three point shooting and questionable defense (though neither Fox or Morant are great defensively either) or Morant with fewer points, assists, & steals or from combo guard to undersized shooting guard and I think people aren't quite as excited. That first comp usually draws people in, and in this case I think the Morant comp is way off. Obviously a talented scorer, but I guess I immediately try to think of what team has won a title featuring a high scoring undersized SG lately? Miami with D Wade? Dallas with Jason Terry? It's certainly not impossible.

2-3 weeks ago everyone was in love with Sochan or Eason. Those were the guys Spurs SHOULD pick... Now it's Ivey, Banchero, Daniels, you name them... Let's see who will be eveybody's darling in two weeks...

[rjv]

2-3 weeks ago everyone was in love with Sochan or Eason. Those were the guys Spurs SHOULD pick... Now it's Ivey, Banchero, Daniels, you name them... Let's see who will be eveybody's darling in two weeks...

in two weeks, we'll know the draft order and the combine will be over so hopefully things will get a little more cleared up by then. if the spurs somehow get that 4th spot though, it sure will get crazy in here.

[KingKev]

Not my numbers. I told you it was Spotrac. Take their weird methodology up with them.

Their methodology was transparent and universally applied. You are smart enough to both read and interpret the fine print, just too stubborn to admit you didn’t.

[exstatic]

Their methodology was transparent and universally applied. You are smart enough to both read and interpret the fine print, just too stubborn to admit you didn’t.

It's actually not transparent at all to leave all cap holds on, and call it Projected Practical cap space. That's actually pretty dumb. A 'Practical' approach would be to assume that you renounce ALL holds, and fill out your roster with minimum salary slots, as needed.

[Seventyniner]

2-3 weeks ago everyone was in love with Sochan or Eason. Those were the guys Spurs SHOULD pick... Now it's Ivey, Banchero, Daniels, you name them... Let's see who will be eveybody's darling in two weeks...

There's a good chance Sochan or Eason will be available at #9, but I think the recent emphasis on the top 4 picks are timvp's draft profiles and good old-fashioned hopium.

[Mr. Body]

2-3 weeks ago everyone was in love with Sochan or Eason. Those were the guys Spurs SHOULD pick... Now it's Ivey, Banchero, Daniels, you name them... Let's see who will be eveybody's darling in two weeks...

It seems rather that there are separate camps and I'm not sure it's changed too much. There are those who like Sochan or Eason, those who think taking either one at #9 is taking them too high. The discussion of very top picks is simply fantasizing at this point unless we actually land one of them.

I have expressed interest in Davis at that pick, though I'm more inclined to pick one of the PFs. And I think a good number of people still like Duren there.

[The Truth #6]

I think now that we have been picking in the mid-lottery for a few years the rush has worn off and the reality that we really need a top 3 pick to get access to elite potential talent has set in. However, I think some people still expect a #9 lottery pick to equal a bonafide star, which I don’t see as realistic.

[KingKev]

I think now that we have been picking in the mid-lottery for a few years the rush has worn off and the reality that we really need a top 3 pick to get access to elite potential talent has set in. However, I think some people still expect a #9 lottery pick to equal a bonafide star, which I don’t see as realistic.

Spot on. We are flooded with projects. After this draft it is time to take another approach IMO.

Keldon at 29 was a great pick. Trey Jones in the second round was pretty good. Primo and Vassell late lottery will probably turn out to be fair picks. To me that is a solid bench rotation and nothing more.

[R. DeMurre]

Golden State, multiple times…


Gotta disagree. All of Steph's success came as a PG next to a 6'6" SG. Put Steph as a SG next to a 6'1" PG and that team isn't nearly as successful.

[exstatic]

Gotta disagree. All of Steph's success came as a PG next to a 6'6" SG. Put Steph as a SG next to a 6'1" PG and that team isn't nearly as successful.

:lol. He scores 25+points, and averages 6.3 assist, about 2/3s of what Dejounte does. At best, he’s a combo guard. Draymond initiates the offense, and averages 7 ASG. He’s their point forward.

[tonight...you]

:lol. He scores 25+points, and averages 6.3 assist, about 2/3s of what Dejounte does. At best, he’s a combo guard. Draymond initiates the offense, and averages 7 ASG. He’s their point forward.
GSW is a pretty uniquely made and used team.
Their talent allows them to be very outside the box which creates unique situations that we may never see again.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol. He scores 25+points, and averages 6.3 assist, about 2/3s of what Dejounte does. At best, he’s a combo guard. Draymond initiates the offense, and averages 7 ASG. He’s their point forward.


What Draymond does is unique, but Steph is still a PG. I can see other teams using a Steph as a SG-- Sacramento, Portland, Utah, all teams that have tried and failed pairing undersized SGs with PGs-- but the Warriors are too smart to do that.

[JamStone]

Sometimes when fans make player comparisons, it’s taken too literally. When I’ve heard and read comparisons to Ja, I can see it. Doesn’t mean Ivey’s game is “exactly” like Ja’s. Doesn’t mean they have the exact same skill set either. Ivey has shown flashes of Ja in his athleticism and ability to attack the basket and finish at the rim. He’s not Ja Morant. He’s not Fox or Russ or any other athletic guard. But there are times his athleticism shows glimpses of Ja’s. You don’t have to take the player comparison so literally.

No player comparison will be exact. And even if a guy has the same exact physical measurements and skill set and college production, that still doesn’t account for personality, character, and mental differences. Player comparisons are used to get an idea of what a prospect might be or maybe just one part of their game that might remind people of another player. It doesn’t have to be exactly the player they compare to.

For me, Jaden Ivey might compare favorably to a guy like Donovan Mitchell. But again, player comparisons are not an exact science. It’s just a tool to give a general idea of what a player might be, could be.

[John B]

^ Kobe was a perfect immitation of MJ. But I guess that’s more of an exception. I don’t see any other player who fathomed their game with only one player. It’s normally a combination of several.

[exstatic]

^ Kobe was a perfect immitation of MJ. But I guess that’s more of an exception. I don’t see any other player who fathomed their game with only one player. It’s normally a combination of several.

Nope. He wanted desperately to be MJ, but the best I can do is ‘cheap knock-off’. He copied moves, but was a far less efficient player. MJ’s career FG% is .497. Kobe’s is ..447. The saddest facet of Kobe’s life wasn’t that he died young in that helicopter crash,it’s that he never became his own player, spending his career chasing the spectre of MJ.

[KingKev]

:madrun who peed in Ex’s cheerios this morning

[mo7888]

The saddest facet of Kobe’s life wasn’t that he died young in that helicopter crash,it’s that he never became his own player, spending his career chasing the spectre of MJ.

BS...the saddest facet of his life was that he died in that helicopter crash with his daughter.... I love basketball but some of you elevate a damn game over real life and it's just dumb...

[exstatic]

BS...the saddest facet of his life was that he died in that helicopter crash with his daughter.... I love basketball but some of you elevate a damn game over real life and it's just dumb...

You need to read Three Ring Circus to find out how sad his fucking life was for a couple of decades before he set foot on that helicopter.

[mo7888]

You need to read Three Ring Circus to find out how sad his fucking life was for a couple of decades before he set foot on that helicopter.

You equated the life of a wealthy 5 time nba champion as being sadder than his death and the death of his child ...that's all any rational person needs to read...

[exstatic]

You equated the life of a wealthy 5 time nba champion as being sadder than his death and the death of his child ...that's all any rational person needs to read...

A) I said nothing about his child at all.
B) Read the book. Money isn't everything. Fame isn't everything. He was basically a messed up, obsessed person without a fucking friend in the world. Not one.

[KingKev]

A) I said nothing about his child at all.
B) Read the book. Money isn't everything. Fame isn't everything. He was basically a messed up, obsessed person without a fucking friend in the world. Not one.

I haven’t read the book but in retirement Kobe appeared to be growing as a person.

[mo7888]

A) I said nothing about his child at all.
B) Read the book. Money isn't everything. Fame isn't everything. He was basically a messed up, obsessed person without a fucking friend in the world. Not one.

Who died in the helicopter crash you mentioned? Don't play dumb because you said something stupid (it happens to us all everyonce in a while)...own that shit and move on...or don't...

[exstatic]

Who died in the helicopter crash you mentioned? Don't play dumb because you said something stupid (it happens to us all everyonce in a while)...own that shit and move on...or don't...

STFU. I never mentioned the kid. I was only talking about Kobe and his sad, pathetic fucking life. You look really stupid trying to say that I said something I didn't. Own THAT, beyotch.

[mo7888]

STFU. I never mentioned the kid. I was only talking about Kobe and his sad, pathetic fucking life. You look really stupid trying to say that I said something I didn't. Own THAT, beyotch.

Fuck you you little austic bitch... you said the saddest facet of his life was that he never became his own player...your words dipshit... you don't take ownership of your words about anything...you hid behind the Sporttrac numbers you used yesterday with KingKev and Chinook and didn't own it when you were patently proven wrong and you're doing it again now...

You're weak and fucking pathetic....

[exstatic]

Fuck you you little austic bitch... you said the saddest facet of his life was that he never became his own player...your words dipshit... you don't take ownership of your words about anything...you hid behind the Sporttrac numbers you used yesterday with KingKev and Chinook and didn't own it when you were patently proven wrong and you're doing it again now...

You're weak and fucking pathetic....

You're an idiot who has zero reading comprehension, and doesn't read for context, which makes you an idiot. You're the one who brought his daughter into this discussion, not me, which makes you a liar.

You're dismissed, fuckwit.

[JPB]

Some of you guys are sick, tbh.

[mo7888]

You're an idiot who has zero reading comprehension, and doesn't read for context, which makes you an idiot. You're the one who brought his daughter into this discussion, not me, which makes you a liar.

You're dismissed, fuckwit.

You're quote "The saddest facet of Kobe’s life wasn’t that he died young in that helicopter crash,it’s that he never became his own player, spending his career chasing the spectre of MJ."

Reading comprehension isn't the problem.... now back to your sad existence bitch...

[KingKev]

You're an idiot who has zero reading comprehension, and doesn't read for context, which makes you an idiot. You're the one who brought his daughter into this discussion, not me, which makes you a liar.

You're dismissed, fuckwit.

Reading comprehension from the guy who posts links supporting the argument of the person he is debating….

[Dejounte]

Never seen mo7888 lose his cool. Wheres my popcorn

[KobesAchilles]

Yeah ex is being dumb. So he never became Jordan? That’s the saddest part of his life? That shit isn’t very sad. He became the most beloved man in LA. He became amazing friends with Michael. He played 20 years of ball and won 5 rings, 2 FMVPs, an MVP and 12 all defense and like 15 all nba. But bc his field goal percentage was low, it’s a reminder that he never became Mike?

Kobe was his own man at the end of his career. Doesn’t matter what book you read about him. He grew out of it, started a very successful company, won an Oscar, had more money than any other basketball peer of his, and had an amazing wife and children that he was totally involved in their life

Kobe’s saddest moment wasn’t he never became Mike. That’s just the most retarded statement I’ve even heard. It was when the helicopter was about to crash and he realize his daughter was in danger. Or the first time one of his kids got sick or hurt. Maybe his wife was in pain about something either caused by him (like Colorado) or just something else she was going through like a miscarriage. Shallow sadness is your job. True sadness is your loved ones in pain or passing away.

[The Truth #6]

So yeah, about that Jaden Ivey…

[The Truth #6]

Never seen mo7888 lose his cool. Wheres my popcorn

Seemed justified.

[John B]

Sorry I even mentioned Kobe.

Hey, but 4 more days to the draft! Bitches :lol:lol:lol

[KobesAchilles]

Sorry I even mentioned Kobe.

Hey, but 4 more days to the draft! Bitches :lol:lol:lol
Gimme Ivey!

[mo7888]

Never seen mo7888 lose his cool. Wheres my popcorn

:corn:

:bobo

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1525550631041150976

[KingKev]

^ Mike Schmitz has never seen a prospect he didn’t like.

[south side spur]

KJ and #9 for Ivey or whoever is left between Holmgren or Banchero? I’d really miss KJ but this is a no brainer.

[tmtcsc]

KJ and #9 for Ivey or whoever is left between Holmgren or Banchero? I’d really miss KJ but this is a no brainer.

All day long.