Peter Holt "Shuts Down" Rumors of Relocation

[Fusternino]

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[The Truth #6]

Good to hear a clear statement from the quiet owner. He's definitely setting himself up to look bad if things goes the other way, so that's at least a positive, I suppose.

[BatManu20]

It’s settled then. (Til at least 2032)


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[Degoat]

I honestly have never bought into the spurs moving Tinfoil fan theories tbh spurs are cemented in NBA history, teams that move are ones that have accomplished nothing

[baseline bum]

What's he supposed to say? He's going to be begging San Antonio taxpayers for a new arena in a few years.

[offset formation]

Wondering if I was the only one that intially read downtown honkers as downtown hookers as one of the primary reasons the team was staying put?!

[baseline bum]

But Pollos Asados Los Nortenos is pretty killer, love that guacamole salsa they have. Never knew they had a location on Walzem.

[SpurSpike]

So what he is saying is they wont be called the "Spurs" when they are moved...:spin

[tonight...you]

I think that was very classy and kind of moving.

[TDomination]

those who keep bringing it up seem like they prefer the team to move which doesn't make much sense to me, unless you're not from san antonio, then perhaps it really doesn't matter for you? not sure... but whatever good to see that announcement.

[gambit1990]

long-winded.

[JPB]

What's he supposed to say? He's going to be begging San Antonio taxpayers for a new arena in a few years.

You even got a mention :cry

More seriously, if it is true that denying something in business has as much value than a fart in the wind, there's denying and denying... He could have just said "fake news" but I don't see the guy going emotional like that if he wasn't sincere.


Wondering if I was the only one that intially read downtown honkers as downtown hookers as one of the primary reasons the team was staying put?!

It's not mutually exclusive, tbh.

[Dex]

I'm sure SpursTalk will find away to twist these words into some excuse that the team will be moving within the next few years despite all indications showing otherwise


What's he supposed to say? He's going to be begging San Antonio taxpayers for a new arena in a few years.

Oh look, there it is

[baseline bum]

I'm sure SpursTalk will find away to twist these words into some excuse that the team will be moving within the next few years despite all indications showing otherwise



Oh look, there it is

LOL you don't think they're going to move if taxpayers don't build them a new arena even though that's the absolute standard outside of markets like LA and NYC. Even a larger market like Houston had to foot the bill for 72% of the Astros' stadium and 77% of the Rockets' arena, though at least they only paid 43% towards the Texans' stadium.

[lefty]

So he started his message with mexican stereotyping

IT'S RACIST

[BacktoBasics]

Never should have to come to requiring a statement. Pathetic fan base.

[lefty]

I think that was very classy
:cry We're so classy

[rjv]

I'm sure SpursTalk will find away to twist these words into some excuse that the team will be moving within the next few years despite all indications showing otherwise



What's he supposed to say? He's going to be begging San Antonio taxpayers for a new arena in a few years.



Oh look, there it is

one of the usual suspects, as a matter of fact.

[tonight...you]

:cry We're so classy
Okay?

[MannyIsGod]

Never should have to come to requiring a statement. Pathetic fan base.

Nah its kinda on the Spurs for people speculating because of their desire to play games outside of SA. That being said, I think it makes a lot of sense for them to keep the Spurs in SA as the sole major league sport in that city and as a gateway to Mexico plus with Austin nearby. Its a really good business situation and people are just being paranoid.

[DMC]

You can tell when something is about to happen, when the powers that be issue a statement saying it's all unfounded rumor.

[baseline bum]

Nah its kinda on the Spurs for people speculating because of their desire to play games outside of SA. That being said, I think it makes a lot of sense for them to keep the Spurs in SA as the sole major league sport in that city and as a gateway to Mexico plus with Austin nearby. Its a really good business situation and people are just being paranoid.

I'd be shocked if they don't get at least 60% public funding on their next arena if they stay. And I'd be shocked if they didn't leave if they don't get it at least 60% public funded.

[The Truth #6]

Would love for the team to be publicly funded if we’re paying for everything, but that conversation raises the dreaded P word, politics.

[baseline bum]

Would love for the team to be publicly funded if we’re paying for everything, but that conversation raises the dreaded P word, politics.

Public costs, privatized profits is the name of the game for small market sports teams. Hell medium market teams too.

[Leetonidas]

I wouldn't mind funding a new arena if they put it somewhere that makes sense and not a fucking industrial area in the god damn ghetto

[MultiTroll]

Public costs, privatized profits is the name of the game for small market sports teams. Hell medium market teams too.
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[MultiTroll]

Still a really nice post by Holt.

[NASpurs]

I wouldn't mind funding a new arena if they put it somewhere that makes sense and not a fucking industrial area in the god damn ghetto

If they can rationalize putting it on the Eastside then as far as I'm concerned, anywhere is fair game.

Saying that, I can't think of a good place to put a new arena. :lol Obviously downtown but where downtown? Land is very limited.

[bigfan]

A class commitment from ownership. As for arenas, they should have never torn down Hemisfair Arena. It was the best for Spurs games, they didnt care if you moved down after the 1st quarter, food was cheap and after the game you were right on the Riverwalk.

[Dejounte]

What everyone with a brain knew

[K...]

The only big risk is if a buyer buys out the ownership group and that buyer has power to move the team . Over time the disagreement. Between the city and team could increase the odds of the ownership selling out. The baby holt's are tooweak to rock the boat at this point.

[KingKev]

Wondering if I was the only one that intially read downtown honkers as downtown hookers as one of the primary reasons the team was staying put?!

Haha bro bro.

As touching as that was I still read hookers and was like wait what??

In other news I read SSE is partnering with www.backpage.com

[KingKev]

The only big risk is if a buyer buys out the ownership group and that buyer has power to move the team . Over time the disagreement. Between the city and team could increase the odds of the ownership selling out. The baby holt's are tooweak to rock the boat at this point.

Between the Holts and DRob they own >50%.

[DJR210]

Money talks and bullshit walks.. the Austin shit is a dress rehearsal. OKC got their dress rehearsal due to Katrina and look what happened..

[ChumpDumper]

It's a good statement and all things being equal the majority of ownership probably wants the team to remain in SA -- that's why most of them bought in. People can talk about Austin but the potential there for the subsidies team owners usually get is stunningly low judging from the recent MLS deal. A bigger threat would be someplace out of state but that would almost necessitate the sale of the team. It just seems like things will eventually work out to keep the Spurs in town -- the cost of which is yet to be determined.

[baseline bum]

A class commitment from ownership. As for arenas, they should have never torn down Hemisfair Arena. It was the best for Spurs games, they didnt care if you moved down after the 1st quarter, food was cheap and after the game you were right on the Riverwalk.

Hemisfair was nice in the lower level as long as you weren't behind a column, but the upper deck had horrible sightlines, players looked like bugs since you were looking down from on top of them. Also first thing I noticed when they moved to the Dome was you didn't have to wait 15 minutes in line to go take a piss like you did at Hemisfair. Location was amazing though, right across the street from the Marriott. Got to walk a block or so talking to Manute Bol after a game against the Warriors one time when I guess he just wanted to get out and take a walk from the hotel after the game. Would never have that happen at AT&T Center lol.

[KingKev]

Wondering if I was the only one that intially read downtown honkers as downtown hookers as one of the primary reasons the team was staying put?!

Haha bro bro.

As touching as that was I still read hookers and was like wait what??

In other news I read SSE is partnering with www.backpage.com

[scott]

If I were a taxpayer, I'd rather my money go to a sports arena than to some Amazon Distribution Center or Tesla Factory in the name of "job creation" (this is bullshit. It's just corporate welfare to those who don't need it). At least the sports team provides entertainment and joy for some people instead of more spaceships for Bezos and Musk.

[baseline bum]

If I were a taxpayer, I'd rather my money go to a sports arena than to some Amazon Distribution Center or Tesla Factory in the name of "job creation" (this is bullshit. It's just corporate welfare to those who don't need it). At least the sports team provides entertainment and joy for some people instead of more spaceships for Bezos and Musk.

I'd rather it went to useful things like pre-school or public transportation, but yeah gun to my head I'd say give Holt money instead of Bezos.

[rascal]

They will move. The fact he is addressing it is enough to say there is a consideration in the future.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The Spurs are a business and will stay in San Antonio as long as said business remains profitable.

The Minneapolis Lakers had three titles to their credit when they relocated to LA...the last one within 6 years of their move. A team's history doesn't really mean much if they're hemorrhaging money.

[rascal]

The Spurs are a business and will stay in San Antonio as long as said business remains profitable.

The Minneapolis Lakers had three titles to their credit when they relocated to LA...the last one within 6 years of their move. A team's history doesn't really mean much if they're hemorrhaging money.

Exactly, if the fans don't support years of rebuilding and years of losing seasons they will move regardless what Holt is saying now.

[Maddog]

The Spurs are a business and will stay in San Antonio as long as said business remains profitable.

The Minneapolis Lakers had three titles to their credit when they relocated to LA...the last one within 6 years of their move. A team's history doesn't really mean much if they're hemorrhaging money.

They moved to a metro area that was rapidly growing and already five times the size of Minneapolis
Let's not even discuss weather.
I don't see a move to Austin.

[KingKev]

How are the honkers in SA though? Asking for a friend.

[ChumpDumper]

They will move. The fact he is addressing it is enough to say there is a consideration in the future.
You've never said a positive thing about this team in 20 years tbh.

[Atl Spur]

I wouldn't mind funding a new arena if they put it somewhere that makes sense and not a fucking industrial area in the god damn ghetto

Land is cheaper….. I grew up over there and can be rough. I love San Antonio….

[dbestpro]

If they can rationalize putting it on the Eastside then as far as I'm concerned, anywhere is fair game.

Saying that, I can't think of a good place to put a new arena. :lol Obviously downtown but where downtown? Land is very limited.
Eastside of downtown is slowly developing. Lots of possibilities near the stadium.

[scott]

With the Southside developing, it would be ironic to put it there and sell the naming rights to Barnes & Noble.

Only puro San Antonians will get this one.

[Maddog]

The only big risk is if a buyer buys out the ownership group and that buyer has power to move the team . Over time the disagreement. Between the city and team could increase the odds of the ownership selling out. The baby holt's are tooweak to rock the boat at this point.

This is the only scenario where i can see the team moving. The Holts while wealthy are not uber wealthy and with the current valuation of the franchise it could become very tempting to sell- especially if their core business starts falling off.

[The Truth #6]

Eastside of downtown is slowly developing. Lots of possibilities near the stadium.

It’s a disaster or at least a controversy no matter what they do, but tearing down the Alamodome and starting over in that location (that’s already been cleared of houses) is my best guess of what to do, as it would at least stimulate the downtown economy. No matter what there will be a wake of empty arenas; tearing down the Alamodome at least leaves one less reminder of bad choices and unsavory eminent domain.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

They moved to a metro area that was rapidly growing and already five times the size of Minneapolis
Let's not even discuss weather.
I don't see a move to Austin.

I don’t think it would be a move like that either. Rumors abounded about a move 30ish years ago, and nothing happened. I think this community supports the Spurs well, and I don’t foresee any move. The reality for any team, though, is that ultimately ownership has to get a financial return and aren’t likely to leave billions on the table if a much more lucrative opportunity presents itself. That said, I think the Spurs are imbedded in San Antonio and I’d be pretty surprised if the team ever left.

[Dex]

People worried about San Antonians footing the tax bill for their beloved and storied franchise, but think Austinites are going to shell out for what would end up being much more expensive property? :rolleyes

[KingKev]

It’s a disaster or at least a controversy no matter what they do, but tearing down the Alamodome and starting over in that location (that’s already been cleared of houses) is my best guess of what to do, as it would at least stimulate the downtown economy. No matter what there will be a wake of empty arenas; tearing down the Alamodome at least leaves one less reminder of bad choices and unsavory eminent domain.

What does the Alamodome even host these days? Trade shows and Monster Truck events? Lol

[The Truth #6]

What does the Alamodome even host these days? Trade shows and Monster Truck events? Lol

Uhh, Def Leopard reunion shows and youth cheerleader competitions!!

[Dex]

What does the Alamodome even host these days? Trade shows and Monster Truck events? Lol

Basically...and the occasional concert. We have tix for Elton John there in October.

And as shown in another thread, it will be hosting the Final Four in 2025 so they won't be tearing anything down before then.

[exstatic]

What does the Alamodome even host these days? Trade shows and Monster Truck events? Lol

UTSA Football. NCAA Final Fours.

[rascal]

They almost moved in the 1980s when the team had a couple of bad years. Will the fans support a non playoff team for long?

If not, Las Vegas will be a more attractive destination. Las Vegas Raiders and Spurs.

[offset formation]

They almost moved in the 1980s when the team had a couple of bad years. Will the fans support a non playoff team for long?

If not, Las Vegas will be a more attractive destination. Las Vegas Raiders and Spurs.

Las Vegas is the fakest, most artificial city on Earth. And given it gets its water from Lake Mead and the Colorado River, likely not long lived.

You ever hear of the Pueblo Indians? They disappeared out of the blue due to a mega drought. And they only numbered in the hundreds.

[goliath]

Sometime within he next seven years the Spurs are going to ask for a new arena. If they get one, problem solved and they stay another 30 years. If they don’t they start looking for a move.
I think the nba would be reluctant to allow them to move and the spurs know that. We are the gold standard for making a small market team work. 25 years of success and support. 5 titles. The Spurs are the team the nba can hold up and tell all other small markets complaining about the small market issues and big market super teams that you can make it work and be successful In a small market. I think if they let the Spurs move, it’s sorta telling all small markets if the spurs can’t succeed what chance do you. That’s why the spurs are laying the ground work by playing games out of market. So they can say look at how much more support, money, etc we made playing out of market. They are gathering financial and marketing facts to present if necessary. That said if SA oks an arena it’s all a moot issue.

[lebomb]

Noone knows the future and WTF is gonna happen. So, why even talk about it?

[rascal]

Attendance at Spur games has dipped last year to the 27th in the league. Fan support is starting to wane as the team doesn't make the playoffs for the second year in a row.

The team lacks star talent or marketable players. So coming out of this year's draft with just solid role player ceiling talent won't work.

The spurs have some assets with multiple draft picks and young players to package a deal to move up and get a player with all star potential.

Drafting safe low floor/low ceiling players with limited offensive
star power like Sochan (more defensive minded players) is not the way to go.


With declining attendance it'll be harder to sell the city on a new stadium.

[lebomb]

Attendance at Spur games has dipped last year to the 27th in the league. Fan support is starting to wane as the team doesn't make the playoffs for the second year in a row.

The team lacks star talent or marketable players. So coming out of this year's draft with just solid role player ceiling talent won't work.

The spurs have some assets with multiple draft picks and young players to package a deal to move up and get a player with all star potential.

Drafting safe low floor/low ceiling players with limited offensive
star power like Sochan (more defensive minded players) is not the way to go.


With declining attendance it'll be harder to sell the city on a new stadium.


No one thought Kawhi was gonna be a Superstar when drafted............and I mean NO ONE!!!!! (except maybe Pop) So that kills another argument. Basically anything can happen to drive the team away, or for them to stay put. Speculating is just that. No one knows what is gonna happen.

[BatManu20]

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[stephen jackson]

It’s kinda pathetic we can’t even fill a small arena. We have some of the worst fans , I wouldn’t blame em

[lebomb]

It’s kinda pathetic we can’t even fill a small arena. We have some of the worst fans , I wouldn’t blame em


First of all the big 3 are gone and if you dont win, fans disappear. Thats just how people are. What is even worse though? I was watching Miami vs Philly this past weekend. In the 2nd qtr there were tons of open seats in the lower bowl in Miami. They have one of the best teams in the NBA right now. Whats up with that?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Knock down the Bill Millers by the Alamodome and build the new arena there

[KingKev]

First of all the big 3 are gone and if you dont win, fans disappear. Thats just how people are. What is even worse though? I was watching Miami vs Philly this past weekend. In the 2nd qtr there were tons of open seats in the lower bowl in Miami. They have one of the best teams in the NBA right now. Whats up with that?

You been to Miami? So much todo and no local culture that can afford tickets.

[BatManu20]

Miami fans are notorious for showing up late and leaving early. Similar to USC football fans. Miami’s arena is located downtown right on the water by the marina, so it’s hard to get to as is. Then you add the egregious traffic in that town, and it makes for a long drive trying to get there. Plus Miami, like LA, is a pretentious city so a large portion of their fanbase are more concerned with looking good than arriving at the arena on time.

https://www.bypassmobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/sports_miami_shs_ed_arena_0-1184x650.jpg

[KingKev]

Miami fans are notorious for showing up late and leaving early. Similar to USC football fans. Miami’s arena is located downtown right on the water by the marina, so it’s hard to get to as is. Then you add the egregious traffic in that town, and it makes for a long drive trying to get there. Plus Miami, like LA, is a pretentious city so a large portion of their fanbase are more concerned with looking good than arriving at the arena on time.

https://www.bypassmobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/sports_miami_shs_ed_arena_0-1184x650.jpg

There is just so much more todo in that area. My ex gfs family had 4 season tickets that would largely go un-used, the game was more of a pre drink than anything else.

[Maddog]

Numbers are down
But not that far off from some cities with a lot larger population.
Phoenix is 19th!

Once again, I think it's highly unlikely they will leave. I think these home away home games is to increase viewership. Do we know when the current local tv contract is up?

[heyheymymy]

Basically...and the occasional concert. We have tix for Elton John there in October.

And as shown in another thread, it will be hosting the Final Four in 2025 so they won't be tearing anything down before then.

I remember doing a TX A&M vs Army football game as well as State marching band Finals lol. I was thinking though, you keep Alamodome football field shaped for like a dozen events a year Concerts, Monster Truck, UTSA and NCAAF, vs. at least 41 NBA games a year? Shit, I'm obvs not an urban planner or engineer lol but can you renovate it in the football field shape with like a semi circle partition configuration to morph into a basketball arena shape as needed? Then make ATT Center a full time PBR Stock and Rodeo venue lol I don't know.

Totally just shitposting now as I'm sure that's bound by cost and bldg codes way out of my element.

Again I just think it's the best site footprint but I hate the facility itself.

[Extra Stout]

Hard to see the Spurs moving to Austin unless they’re part of some highly profitable privately-funded real estate development project. Public funding would be a non-starter there. Seattle and Vegas are getting expansion teams in a few years to get the NBA to 32 teams.

The Spurs probably would love a new arena downtown where the Alamodome currently stands, or on the Lone Star property in Southtown. Who wouldn’t? But if the AT&T Center is obsolete, then so are at least half of all other NBA arenas.

The future is unknown, and relationships can sour, but I don’t see the Spurs’ relocating as all that big of a risk. Elderly, perennially disagreeable New Englanders may disagree, but from their perspective, all fan bases outside the Northeast are crap and deserve to lose their teams.

[Dex]

I remember doing a TX A&M vs Army football game as well as State marching band Finals lol. I was thinking though, you keep Alamodome football field shaped for like a dozen events a year Concerts, Monster Truck, UTSA and NCAAF, vs. at least 41 NBA games a year? Shit, I'm obvs not an urban planner or engineer lol but can you renovate it in the football field shape with like a semi circle partition configuration to morph into a basketball arena shape as needed? Then make ATT Center a full time PBR Stock and Rodeo venue lol I don't know.

Totally just shitposting now as I'm sure that's bound by cost and bldg codes way out of my element.

Again I just think it's the best site footprint but I hate the facility itself.

I agree with you...the location is probably the best they are going to find near downtown San Antonio which lends to a better fan experience.

The whole reason they built the damn thing which was to hopefully draw an NFL team which is never going to happen...but sure, they get to host UTSA Football and some B-list concerts occasionally.

Level the whole thing, build a spankin' new stadium which will still be able to accommodate things like concerts, Final Four, etc. and do it in the name of truly invigorating downtown SA instead of making us drive through a freaking rail yard just outside of the slums to get to games.