KEMP!!!!

[clambake]

Any thoughts?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

1529265505646825472

[Ef-man]

Trump backed Perdue got schlonged! :lmao :lmao :lmao

[ElNono]

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:rollin

cTvLlwwz6SU

[spurraider21]

:lol perdue
:lol lost to Ossoff too

why do these people love repeat losers? like when AZ kept trolling out McSally to lose time after time

[monosylab1k]

:lol perdue
:lol lost to Ossoff too

why do these people love repeat losers? like when AZ kept trolling out McSally to lose time after time

You could say the same about the Democrats and Beto tbh

[SnakeBoy]

Libs going for the threepeat with Beto

[spurraider21]

You could say the same about the Democrats and Beto tbh
Libs losing in Texas vs republicans losing Georgia and AZ are different

[ElNono]

Looks like Kemp finally 'found' those votes... tee hee

[Thread]

Trump backed Perdue got schlonged! :lmao :lmao :lmao

That Messican Ramos provided nice cover for the old man, eh, Effy?

tee, hee.

[DarrinS]

Stacey Abrams isn't gov?

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin really doesn't know how elections work.

No wonder he jumped on the Stop the Steal bandwagon election night 2020.

[baseline bum]

Libs losing in Texas vs republicans losing Georgia and AZ are different

We could have daily rolling blackouts through September and that faggot hotwheels would still win the governor's race by 15 points.

[pgardn]

Stacey Abrams isn't gov?


So this is not an attempt at a joke?

[ElNono]

Raffensperger wins GA secretary of state primary, avoids runoff

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger survived former President Donald Trump’s wrath to win the GOP nomination for the state’s chief election officer, according to ABC and NBC.

Raffensperger is expected to clear the 50% threshold required to avoid a runoff against Rep. Jody Hice, who was recruited by Trump to run in the primary.

The former president made it a personal mission to throw Raffensperger from office after the incumbent rejected Trump’s demands to find more votes to overturn the 2020 election results.

Hice, who often repeated Trump’s "Big Lie" about a stolen election in Georgia and other states Biden won, jousted with Raffensperger over the election results for much of the campaign.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[spurraider21]

:lmao

[spurraider21]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/933/994/3b0.jpg

[Millennial_Messiah]

Trump will need to work with Kemp to reform GA election laws and counting laws to be like Florida/Texas

Perdue was an obvious L from the beginning just like McSally in Arizona. Perdue is another Lindsey Graham anyway and he's not even to the right of Kemp in terms of policy. Trump just shadow endorsed Perdue because he's "not Kemp"... just salty about 2020 and the still-mysterious water leak.

[clambake]

Well, my thoughts on this are lol haha.

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/933/994/3b0.jpg

:lol oddly enough Kemp mopping the floor with serial loser Perdue might mean GA stays red longer, Abrams loses in a landslide and Walker wins the senate race by a more comfortable margin than if Perdue was at the top of the ticket.


We could have daily rolling blackouts through September and that faggot hotwheels would still win the governor's race by 15 points.
At least Abbott wouldn't take away anyone in Texas's guns. Even if they wanted to shoot up a school.

[Thread]

Trump will need to work with Kemp to reform GA election laws and counting laws to be like Florida/Texas

Perdue was an obvious L from the beginning just like McSally in Arizona. Perdue is another Lindsey Graham anyway and he's not even to the right of Kemp in terms of policy. Trump just shadow endorsed Perdue because he's "not Kemp"... just salty about 2020 and the still-mysterious water leak.


& he will. Trump knew there'd be a massacre with Perdue, but brazened it out with nary consequence. He never cast Kemp down with the sodomites and Kemp returned the favor.

[Thread]

:lol oddly enough Kemp mopping the floor with serial loser Perdue might mean GA stays red longer, Abrams loses in a landslide and Walker wins the senate race by a more comfortable margin than if Perdue was at the top of the ticket.

Bingo!!!

[Millennial_Messiah]

& he will. Trump knew there'd be a massacre with Perdue, but brazened it out with nary consequence. He never cast Kemp down with the sodomites and Kemp returned the favor.

he never declared Kemp a RINO he just was angry at Kemp for allowing the (fake) Fulton County water leak and mules shit (fake mail in votes counting) to go on in Atlanta and Kemp just watched and took it up the butt like the Lakers against the Mavs in 2011.

Now if McCormick wins the PA senate seat that'd be a completely different story, he straight up called him a RINO and a liberal neocon :lol

[Thread]

he never declared Kemp a RINO he just was angry at Kemp for allowing the water leak and mules shit to go on in Atlanta and Kemp just watched and took it up the butt like the Lakers against the Mavs in 2011.

Now if McCormick wins the PA senate seat that'd be a completely different story, he straight up called him a RINO and a liberal neocon :lol

Good stuff, MM, though I still believe Trump would back Mac if he takes PA.. He won't like it, but it's a great capture if handled correctly. Trump will return to the stable come election time.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Good stuff, MM, though I still believe Trump would back Mac if he takes PA.. He won't like it, but it's a great capture if handled correctly. Trump will return to the stable come election time.

The main thing is getting Mastriano elected to fix the retarded election shenanigans in PA. There should be a federal law that all races must be declared on Election Night before sun-up on the ensuing Wednesday morning or everyone in charge of the election faces a capital felony and long term incarceration. That would get 'em.

Take the Florida and Texas model. Count all the legally mailed-in and early votes first, not last. All legally mailed-in ballots must be postmarked to be received by no later than one week before Election Tuesday.

2020 shenanigans will never ever happen again or there will be Civil War II

[Thread]

The main thing is getting Mastriano elected to fix the retarded election shenanigans in PA. There should be a federal law that all races must be declared on Election Night before sun-up on the ensuing Wednesday morning or everyone in charge of the election faces a capital felony and long term incarceration. That would get 'em.

Take the Florida and Texas model. Count all the legally mailed-in and early votes first, not last. All legally mailed-in ballots must be postmarked to be received by no later than one week before Election Tuesday.

2020 shenanigans will never ever happen again or there will be Civil War II

Amen.

[ducks]

Trump is 100-6 in primary endorsements
Media is acting like he is the other way around
Biden is 0-1

[Millennial_Messiah]

Trump is 100-6 in primary endorsements
Media is acting like he is the other way around
Biden is 0-1
Meanwhile the Squad took a big loss in TX-28. "Manchinema" DINO Cuellar defeats would-be Squad member, communist Jessica Cisneros in the run off. :toast

[ElNono]

The main thing is getting Mastriano elected to fix the retarded election shenanigans in PA. There should be a federal law that all races must be declared on Election Night before sun-up on the ensuing Wednesday morning or everyone in charge of the election faces a capital felony and long term incarceration. That would get 'em.

Take the Florida and Texas model. Count all the legally mailed-in and early votes first, not last. All legally mailed-in ballots must be postmarked to be received by no later than one week before Election Tuesday.

2020 shenanigans will never ever happen again or there will be Civil War II

If you want results by election night, then the same federal law needs to mandate that early voting and mail-in voting can start to be counted before election day. That's really the holdup.

Also, mail-in voting should be allowed up to an including the day of the election. There's no realistic reason not to. All votes must be counted regardless.

And lol no, there won't be any civil war, the 300 cats that got busted in Congress are basically the "army" for such a thing...

[Dirks_Finale]

Meanwhile the Squad took a big loss in TX-28. "Manchinema" DINO Cuellar defeats would-be Squad member, communist Jessica Cisneros in the run off. :toast

Cuellar was down last I saw. What happened? Did He get a big dump of mail in ballots at 3am? :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

If you want results by election night, then the same federal law needs to mandate that early voting and mail-in voting can start to be counted before election day. That's really the holdup.

Also, mail-in voting should be allowed up to an including the day of the election. There's no realistic reason not to. All votes must be counted regardless.

And lol no, there won't be any civil war, the 300 cats that got busted in Congress are basically the "army" for such a thing...

Correct.

Incorrect. The realistic reason not to is that we can't keep having this shenanigans of counting after Election Night. Whoever is the winner of the raw vote by a hard deadline of 2AM Tuesday Night / Wednesday Morning (Local time in each state, so yes, Hawaii and Alaska may be a little late for our standards, but they are hardly consequential) is instantly officially declared the winner by the state SoS... federal law. No more of those "count votes into the next days, it's Wednesday and the race still too close to call"... that's left wing bullshit, make voting easy but make it hard to get a gun or drive a car. Voting is EXTREMELY consequential and should NOT be easy. It is a privilege, and NOT a right.

As per this federal law... Trump wins MI, WI, PA, GA. Biden wins Arizona and Nevada. Trump re-elected and everyone including Aaron Mishkin goes home. As it should be.

Incorrect. You have no clue. The 1/6/2021 nothing-burger was a potpourri jambalaya of some Trump supporters and some Antifa and the FBI letting everyone in so they could have an excuse to arrest people. You have no idea though what's going on in the underground. The conservative GOP voter outnumbers the liberal Democrat voter in terms of legally-owned guns and ammunition power 14 to 1 in the USA. There will be a mass purge, an ideologocide of leftist furbies across the nation who will be hapless to defend themselves with kitchen knives against our AR-15s and glocks.


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Cuellar was down last I saw. What happened? Did He get a big dump of mail in ballots at 3am? :lol
https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/results/texas/democratic-runoff/us-house-district-28

Cuellar appears to have won by 177 votes, but there will certainly be a recount. However, recounts very rarely change the result of elections.

The Squad wanted Cisneros but if she had won the primary the Dems would almost certainly lose that district as it is zooming to the right. While the Dems outnumbered the GOP in the primary like 8 to 1, that's because those are old Tejano Dems who never changed their registration in 40+ years. Cuellar would narrowly defeat Cassandra Garcia (R) in the general IMO, while Cisneros would lose to her by close to 10%.

I also think Monica Delacruz and Mayra Flores (R's) win their districts to the east of TX-28 as well. TX-15 is pretty much a sure thing with Delacruz (R) and TX-34 may seem difficult as it's a Biden +9 district but it was Hillary +31 and thus has been zooming to the right and the GOP has a strong chance to pick off the seat.

[Ef-man]

Correct.


[B][COLOR=#800080]Incorrect. You have no clue. The 1/6/2021 nothing-burger was a potpourri jambalaya of some Trump supporters and some Antifa and the FBI letting everyone in so they could have an excuse to arrest people. You have no idea though what's going on in the underground. The conservative GOP voter outnumbers the liberal Democrat voter in terms of legally-owned guns and ammunition power 14 to 1 in the USA. There will be a mass purge, an ideologocide of leftist furbies across the nation who will be hapless to defend themselves with kitchen knives against our AR-15s and glocks.


1/3

You are the poster child of people with mental health issues who should be banned from owning guns.

Fantasying about killing people with different political views is the tip-off that you should seek professional help.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You are the poster child of people with mental health issues who should be banned from owning guns.

Fantasying about killing people with different political views is the tip-off that you should seek professional help.

There is no hate crime or terrorism though, because race-blind, religion-blind ideologocide is a relatively new concept.

[ChumpDumper]

There is no hate crime or terrorism though, because race-blind, religion-blind ideologocide is a relatively new concept.

It's the black letter definition of terrorism.

[clambake]

Hobbit should be on a watch list

[ElNono]

Incorrect. The realistic reason not to is that we can't keep having this shenanigans of counting after Election Night. Whoever is the winner of the raw vote by a hard deadline of 2AM Tuesday Night / Wednesday Morning (Local time in each state, so yes, Hawaii and Alaska may be a little late for our standards, but they are hardly consequential) is instantly officially declared the winner by the state SoS... federal law. No more of those "count votes into the next days, it's Wednesday and the race still too close to call"... that's left wing bullshit, make voting easy but make it hard to get a gun or drive a car. Voting is EXTREMELY consequential and should NOT be easy. It is a privilege, and NOT a right.

As per this federal law... Trump wins MI, WI, PA, GA. Biden wins Arizona and Nevada. Trump re-elected and everyone including Aaron Mishkin goes home. As it should be.

Bullshit. The only reason we go over it's because those states mandate not to count before election date. It's unconstitutional to deny people having their legally cast vote uncounted while the election is ongoing.

The only shenanigan is denying people the right of their legally cast vote to be counted. That's indeed the only way Trump would've gotten re-elected, as Joe overwhelmingly kicked his ass.


Incorrect. You have no clue. The 1/6/2021 nothing-burger was a potpourri jambalaya of some Trump supporters and some Antifa and the FBI letting everyone in so they could have an excuse to arrest people. You have no idea though what's going on in the underground. The conservative GOP voter outnumbers the liberal Democrat voter in terms of legally-owned guns and ammunition power 14 to 1 in the USA. There will be a mass purge, an ideologocide of leftist furbies across the nation who will be hapless to defend themselves with kitchen knives against our AR-15s and glocks.

:lmao "the underground"... we've been hearing about this "CiViL wAr" for decades, and the reality is that's it's just a bunch of loud farts. We already had insinuations from things like the Bundys, and you also know how that ended: "patriots" killed and whining about getting indicted and thrown into jail.

Sorry, there's no civil war coming. The only "purge" going on is old boomers dying off and the conservative base shrinking, which can't happen fast enough, tbh. This is why they had to go with a socially liberal candidate in Trump to even compete in a federal election, and why they're all in gerrymandering, etc.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bullshit. The only reason we go over it's because those states mandate not to count before election date. It's unconstitutional to deny people having their legally cast vote uncounted while the election is ongoing.

The only shenanigan is denying people the right of their legally cast vote to be counted. That's indeed the only way Trump would've gotten re-elected, as Joe overwhelmingly kicked his ass.



:lmao "the underground"... we've been hearing about this "CiViL wAr" for decades, and the reality is that's it's just a bunch of loud farts. We already had insinuations from things like the Bundys, and you also know how that ended: "patriots" killed and whining about getting indicted and thrown into jail.

Sorry, there's no civil war coming. The only "purge" going on is old boomers dying off and the conservative base shrinking, which can't happen fast enough, tbh. This is why they had to go with a socially liberal candidate in Trump to even compete in a federal election, and why they're all in gerrymandering, etc.

It's sad to see that you've completely devolved and degenerated from a reasonable moderate to a complete anthro-sheep partisan hack, tbh. :td

[SnakeBoy]

It's sad to see that you've completely devolved and degenerated from a reasonable moderate to a complete anthro-sheep partisan hack, tbh. :td

He's turned into randomguy

Trump broke him

[Millennial_Messiah]

He's turned into randomguy

Trump broke him
Yup. And the sad thing is that in 2016 he was (reverse jinx?) cringing for Trump sort of like how I did for Killary, in the 2016 election thread, tbh...

[SnakeBoy]

Yup. And the sad thing is that in 2016 he was (reverse jinx?) cringing for Trump sort of like how I did for Killary, in the 2016 election thread, tbh...

I think that's why Trump's victory broke them so much. They were rooting for him to be the candidate and then he stomped their girl.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I think that's why Trump's victory broke them so much. They were rooting for him to be the candidate and then he stomped their girl.

And will come back and defeat Grendel again in 2024.

President Trump is the real life Beowulf.

January 20, 2025 - Victory Day

:danceclub

[ElNono]

Yup. And the sad thing is that in 2016 he was (reverse jinx?) cringing for Trump sort of like how I did for Killary, in the 2016 election thread, tbh...

:lmao Why are you attacking me now and avoiding the subject?

I've been calling out this bullshit CiViL WaR! canard waaaaay before Trump, when m>s was still posting here. :lol

I haven't changed one bit, it's the GOP that turned into the Trump party. And when Old Joe beat the living shit out of Trump, he broke y'all.

Living 20 years in the NJ/NY area I've know the kind of charlatan Trump has been for many, many years. Though the fact that he was able to basically take over the GOP in 4 years says way more about the state of the GOP than him.

[ElNono]

He's turned into randomguy

Trump broke him

Old Joe broke you. Sorry this is happening to you.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao Why are you attacking me now and avoiding the subject?

I've been calling out this bullshit CiViL WaR! canard waaaaay before Trump, when m>s was still posting here. :lol

I haven't changed one bit, it's the GOP that turned into the Trump party. And when Old Joe beat the living shit out of Trump, he broke y'all.

Living 20 years in the NJ/NY area I've know the kind of charlatan Trump has been for many, many years. Though the fact that he was able to basically take over the GOP in 4 years says way more about the state of the GOP than him.

sure, just like the Lakers beat Sacramento in 2002. OKC beat us in 2012. If ye say so....

Get knocked down x times. Rise up x + 1 times. :toast #lifemorals

[ElNono]

sure, just like the Lakers beat Sacramento in 2002. OKC beat us in 2012. If ye say so....

Get knocked down x times. Rise up x + 1 times. :toast #lifemorals

Votes were counted, recounted, cases went to court, signatures matched. Even the SCOTUS was involved.

At some point you'll have to just accept the fact that, yes, Trump was that bad, and he did cost the GOP AZ, PA and GA.

Just like Old Joe is going to cost the Dems at the very least these mid-terms.

[Spurminator]

It's sad to see that you've completely devolved and degenerated from a reasonable moderate to a complete anthro-sheep partisan hack, tbh. :td


He's turned into randomguy

Trump broke him


Yup. And the sad thing is that in 2016 he was (reverse jinx?) cringing for Trump sort of like how I did for Killary, in the 2016 election thread, tbh...


I think that's why Trump's victory broke them so much. They were rooting for him to be the candidate and then he stomped their girl.


And will come back and defeat Grendel again in 2024.

President Trump is the real life Beowulf.

January 20, 2025 - Victory Day

:danceclub

Look at these two besties having a copium therapy session together. How sweet. :lol

ElNono broke you.

[ElNono]

Take a look at GA. Both Kemp and Raffensperger were re-elected.

At some point you need to snap out of it, and accept the reality that the pandemic cost Orangegutan the election. It is what it is.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Take a look at GA. Both Kemp and Raffensperger were re-elected.

At some point you need to snap out of it, and accept the reality that the pandemic cost Orangegutan the election. It is what it is.

Yep, the China-DNC-Fauci (US + China Deep State) globalist cook-up, the Wuhan lab genetically manufactured superbug. Was created and released into the public to cause world chaos and get rid of Trump, and it temporarily succeeded. Congratulations to the evil scientists for a temporary victory, just like the 2013 Finals... revenge will come hard and good will prevail over evil in short order... it is what it is


Votes were counted, recounted, cases went to court, signatures matched. Even the SCOTUS was involved.

At some point you'll have to just accept the fact that, yes, Trump was that bad, and he did cost the GOP AZ, PA and GA.

Just like Old Joe is going to cost the Dems at the very least these mid-terms.
just like those 3 to 1 foul ratios... Kike Stern and Stu Jackson say just accept it as canon. Ummm yeah... meet my .45 glock before I'm accepting it as canon

[ElNono]

Yep, the China-DNC-Fauci (US + China Deep State) globalist cook-up, the Wuhan lab genetically manufactured superbug. Was created and released into the public to cause world chaos and get rid of Trump, and it temporarily succeeded. Congratulations to the evil scientists for a temporary victory, just like the 2013 Finals... revenge will come hard and good will prevail over evil in short order... it is what it is

^^^ this is a bunch of conspiracy nonsense.

This is exactly what I mean by I didn't change, it's the GOP that changed.

I can stomach a Kasich-type of GOP, this whole crazies stuff just ensures I show up and vote (D) every time. You did it to yourselves, and the quicker you can snap out of it, the quicker it's going to end.

[Millennial_Messiah]

^^^ this is a bunch of conspiracy nonsense.

This is exactly what I mean by I didn't change, it's the GOP that changed.

I can stomach a Kasich-type of GOP, this whole crazies stuff just ensures I show up and vote (D) every time. You did it to yourselves, and the quicker you can snap out of it, the quicker it's going to end.

:vomit::vomit::vomit:

John Kasich...? Mitt Romney....? Barf... I'd rather have president Bernie / VP Ilhan Omar, tbh

[ElNono]

:vomit::vomit::vomit:

John Kasich...? Mitt Romney....? Barf... I'd rather have president Bernie / VP Ilhan Omar, tbh

But see? Your response exemplifies perfectly what I'm saying. That was the more moderate GOP 6-8 years ago. It's all gone.

Now you're a cultist or a RINO, there's no middle ground. Manchin would've been a Republican in those years, same with Sinema.

[Millennial_Messiah]

But see? Your response exemplifies perfectly what I'm saying. That was the more moderate GOP 6-8 years ago. It's all gone.

Now you're a cultist or a RINO, there's no middle ground. Manchin would've been a Republican in those years, same with Sinema.

You have it bass-ackwards. Manchin and Sinema are solid Democrats. As are Kasich and Romney, GWB and Clinton. The far left progressivist movement (AOC, Warren, Bernie et al) is what has changed, not so much the right.

America First is not a cult, but a referendum on the globalist American empire of neocons like GWB, Obama etc that got us into endless foreign wars and have imported teeming legions of awful cockroach immigrants from the nether regions of the world in the name of cheap labor without understanding the long term ramifications and consequences of actual Americans, those of us who have been here for generations, since pre-Civil War times and before.

Trying to imply that the overton window has shifted right and not radically left in the past 10, 20, 30+ years is absolutely ludicrous.

[spurraider21]

But see? Your response exemplifies perfectly what I'm saying. That was the more moderate GOP 6-8 years ago. It's all gone.

Now you're a cultist or a RINO, there's no middle ground. Manchin would've been a Republican in those years, same with Sinema.
never forget that Trump called Mo Brooks woke

[ElNono]

You have it bass-ackwards. Manchin and Sinema are solid Democrats. As are Kasich and Romney, GWB and Clinton. The far left progressivist movement (AOC, Warren, Bernie et al) is what has changed, not so much the right.

How do I have it backwards? Romney was a presidential candidate for the GOP, selected by a majority of GOP voters. He was the GOP standard-bearer then. Same applies to McCain, whom I believe you'll be quick to label a RINO if not straight out "Democrat" now.

AOC, Warren, Bernie, they never won the nomination. They didn't even come close, tbh... Obama was a center-right president. You're completely overrating the leftmost side of the left, and glossing over the fact that the rightmost side of the right is now running the asylum there.


America First is not a cult, but a referendum on the globalist American empire of neocons like GWB, Obama etc that got us into endless foreign wars and have imported teeming legions of awful cockroach immigrants from the nether regions of the world in the name of cheap labor without understanding the long term ramifications and consequences of actual Americans, those of us who have been here for generations, since pre-Civil War times and before.

Trying to imply that the overton window has shifted right and not radically left in the past 10, 20, 30+ years is absolutely ludicrous.

The overton window has opened to both sides, leaving a pretty sizeable gap in the middle. The current polarization is a faithful reflection of that.

However, within the boundaries of each party, as conservative numbers and popularity have dwindled, what remained fully embraced the more radicalized side of the right, mostly because it's the only base that's left. Your entire commentary here is a great example of that, and you have to give Dennison credit for tapping into that pool openly and defending that racist, xenophobic, misogynistic base.

On the left, the far left (which Warren is not part of, BTW) has been more vocal, but are still far from any prominent role within the party. That party is still run by ancient, centrist relics like Joe, Pelosi, Schumer. You just ate up the whole Squad boogeyman hook, line and sinker. They're largely powerless in that party.

In the overall, the overton window will continue slowly shifting towards the left, simply because that's been going on for almost a century now, and social progress is inevitable. This is why Trump had to embrace largely a liberal discourse to get elected.

[baseline bum]

You have it bass-ackwards. Manchin and Sinema are solid Democrats. As are Kasich and Romney, GWB and Clinton. The far left progressivist movement (AOC, Warren, Bernie et al) is what has changed, not so much the right.

America First is not a cult, but a referendum on the globalist American empire of neocons like GWB, Obama etc that got us into endless foreign wars and have imported teeming legions of awful cockroach immigrants from the nether regions of the world in the name of cheap labor without understanding the long term ramifications and consequences of actual Americans, those of us who have been here for generations, since pre-Civil War times and before.

Trying to imply that the overton window has shifted right and not radically left in the past 10, 20, 30+ years is absolutely ludicrous.

Trump tried to get us into war with Iran :lol

[DMC]

But see? Your response exemplifies perfectly what I'm saying. That was the more moderate GOP 6-8 years ago. It's all gone.

Now you're a cultist or a RINO, there's no middle ground. Manchin would've been a Republican in those years, same with Sinema.

Look who you're talking to. Are you really going to consider him a legit cross section of the conservative voter base?

[ElNono]

Look who you're talking to. Are you really going to consider him a legit cross section of the conservative voter base?

The retardation might be all his, but I think I can pretty safely group his thinking/arguments with the majority of the conservative base these days, definitely.

[Millennial_Messiah]

never forget that Trump called Mo Brooks woke

And now he's going to have to re-endorse him in the runoff because Katie Britt is another Lisa Murkowski type.


Trump tried to get us into war with Iran :lol
No he didn't. Nixing the awful John Kerry nuclear "deal" with Iran, that the Ayatollahs and co. were never going to abide by, was an obvious move. Murking Soleimani was controversial, but he was technically in US-controlled parts of Iraq, not on Iranian soil. Personally I wouldn't have killed him but absolutely I would have killed Baghdadi. Baghdadi was responsible for millions of innocent deaths in 3-4 years including innocent American citizens who weren't there for the war, like Kayla Mueller.


How do I have it backwards? Romney was a presidential candidate for the GOP, selected by a majority of GOP voters. He was the GOP standard-bearer then. Same applies to McCain, whom I believe you'll be quick to label a RINO if not straight out "Democrat" now.
McCain wasn't my, my folks' nor my family's choice in 2008. It was Giuliani. We all thought McCain was a war hero but an awful politician and a flip flopper (he self-proclaimed that he couldn't decide who to vote for in 2004).

As for Romney, everyone around me thought he was awful, that he was THE WORST GOP candidate in the 2012 primaries, and that the Democrats and deep state pulled some strings to get him in instead of a more populist candidate like Herman Cain or even Newt Gingrich. Romney was literally the last person we all wanted, and we had to hold back barfing to vote for him over Obama, but we all knew that when Romney was "nominated" that the 2012 presidential election was lost and Obama was guaranteed the second term. Even after Judge Roberts (:lol) voted to keep Obamacare in an apparent attempt to boost the Republican nominee over Obama.

[DMC]

The retardation might be all his, but I think I can pretty safely group his thinking/arguments with the majority of the conservative base these days, definitely.

So we could say the same for Boutons, Spurs Homer and the left?

[SnakeBoy]

I would crossover for a centrist Democrat like Boss Manchin

[ElNono]

McCain wasn't my, my folks' nor my family's choice in 2008. It was Giuliani. We all thought McCain was a war hero but an awful politician and a flip flopper (he self-proclaimed that he couldn't decide who to vote for in 2004).

As for Romney, everyone around me thought he was awful, that he was THE WORST GOP candidate in the 2012 primaries, and that the Democrats and deep state pulled some strings to get him in instead of a more populist candidate like Herman Cain or even Newt Gingrich. Romney was literally the last person we all wanted, and we had to hold back barfing to vote for him over Obama, but we all knew that when Romney was "nominated" that the 2012 presidential election was lost and Obama was guaranteed the second term. Even after Judge Roberts (:lol) voted to keep Obamacare in an apparent attempt to boost the Republican nominee over Obama.

We're not talking about your preference(s), we're talking about what the majority of GOP voters thought their standard bearer were back then. You simply can't claim that the GOP hasn't moved when every one of the main candidates in recent GOP history are to be called RINOs now.

Even fucking Reagan would be a "Democrat" in this day and age. The GOP is in a race to the bottom to see who can out-Trump Trump. You can easily trace the start of this whole retardation to the choice of Sarah Palin.

I didn't generally had a problem with the GOP, until they started to finally figure out that it's really hard to win a federal election with retrograde conservative ideas, especially social ones, and so now they're basically drawing the conclusion that maybe democracy is a dead end. This is when shit got dangerous, in my opinion, and they certainly lost my vote.

[ElNono]

So we could say the same for Boutons, Spurs Homer and the left?

sure

[Millennial_Messiah]

We're not talking about your preference(s), we're talking about what the majority of GOP voters thought their standard bearer were back then. You simply can't claim that the GOP hasn't moved when every one of the main candidates in recent GOP history are to be called RINOs now.

Even fucking Reagan would be a "Democrat" in this day and age. The GOP is in a race to the bottom to see who can out-Trump Trump. You can easily trace the start of this whole retardation to the choice of Sarah Palin.

I didn't generally had a problem with the GOP, until they started to finally figure out that it's really hard to win a federal election with retrograde conservative ideas, especially social ones, and so now they're basically drawing the conclusion that maybe democracy is a dead end. This is when shit got dangerous, in my opinion, and they certainly lost my vote.

Definitely the big change within the Republican Party began around 2010 with the Tea Party movement. The Tea Party Movement was a grassroots right wing populist movement that was good enough to win house and some senate seats but it didn't really have a leader back then; no real anchor, no leg to stand on... Trump became that leader tbh.


I would crossover for a centrist Democrat like Boss Manchin

No, fuck him. He voted for impeachment hoax number two and also to confirm Ketanji Child Porn Brown Jackson to the SCOTUS. Wish him annihilation in WV in 2024


I didn't generally had a problem with the GOP, until they started to finally figure out that it's really hard to win a federal election with............
So you didn't have a problem with the GOP until they actually decided to get back into the game and stop pissing away 300+ electoral votes by nominating lousy candidates like McCain and Romney? :lmao that's like saying you didn't have a problem with the Golden State Warriors until they usurped the Spurs in 2015... etc

[pgardn]

Look who you're talking to. Are you really going to consider him a legit cross section of the conservative voter base?

Says the guy who attempts to breast feed these idiots on this site.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Says the guy who attempts to breast feed these idiots on this site.

He's not a woke liberal, so he doesn't believe men can get pregnant and breast feed like the libs on here do.

[Blake]

:lol

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If it wasn't clear about Pence's distancing from Trump before..

[ElNono]

Definitely the big change within the Republican Party began around 2010 with the Tea Party movement. The Tea Party Movement was a grassroots right wing populist movement that was good enough to win house and some senate seats but it didn't really have a leader back then; no real anchor, no leg to stand on... Trump became that leader tbh.

:lol There was nothing grassroots about the Tea Party. It was orchestrated and well funded by the Kochs. (link (https://time.com/secret-origins-of-the-tea-party/))

And it's goals were the exact opposite of what Trump ran on (smaller government). He certainly inherited them once he took over the party. That's certainly one of the more dumb, rabid part of the base.


So you didn't have a problem with the GOP until they actually decided to get back into the game and stop pissing away 300+ electoral votes by nominating lousy candidates like McCain and Romney? :lmao that's like saying you didn't have a problem with the Golden State Warriors until they usurped the Spurs in 2015... etc

In the past 40 years, GOP won 6 presidential contests, Dems won 5. The only recent trend here is the GOP continues to lose the popular vote, which makes it increasingly difficult to win contests, and so gerrymandering became a priority. This popular vote trend wasn't broken by probably one of the most popular candidates since Reagan either.

So I have no idea what you mean by "back into the game". The GOP has always been "in the game". Both parties had shitty candidates in that period as well. With the exception of Obama, slick Willy and Dubya Sr, they were all incredibly bad candidates. So much so that incumbency is nowadays largely a detriment, not a plus.

[Millennial_Messiah]

In the past 40 years, GOP won 6 presidential contests, Dems won 5. The only recent trend here is the GOP continues to lose the popular vote, which makes it increasingly difficult to win contests, and so gerrymandering became a priority. This popular vote trend wasn't broken by probably one of the most popular candidates since Reagan either.

So I have no idea what you mean by "back into the game". The GOP has always been "in the game". Both parties had shitty candidates in that period as well. With the exception of Obama, slick Willy and Dubya Sr, they were all incredibly bad candidates. So much so that incumbency is nowadays largely a detriment, not a plus.
This guy's a Clinton-Gore-Kerry-Obama-Obama-Trump-Trump voter based in Wisconsin. He explains it well in this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTe0RvxXbmc

[ElNono]

This guy's a Clinton-Gore-Kerry-Obama-Obama-Trump-Trump voter based in Wisconsin. He explains it well in this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTe0RvxXbmc

Don't watch political youtubes. Do you have an opinion or not?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Don't watch political youtubes. Do you have an opinion or not?

My opinion (and the fact) is that the Republican Party, specifically the old guard of the Republican Party, was at a dead end after the blue wave years of 2006 and 2008. (The GOP as a whole is still suffering from the lingering effects of the blue tsunami in the senate in Nov. '06, by the way. Hopefully we can finally reverse that in '24, but it's been a long time coming.) Bush 43 and his administration was considered a failure by the majority of Americans, from genuine moderate liberals to leftists to blue-dog populists to establishment Democrat types. The Tea Party and the 2010 bounce-back proved that the GOP was not completely yet dead, but in 2012 when Romney was resoundingly defeated it was painfully obvious that the electoral college map had become essentially an impenetrable brick wall for the GOP in its current pro-Bush, pro-McCain, pro-war establishmentarian state.

It was painfully obvious that the GOP, in order to ever win back enough electoral votes to have a crack at winning the White House again, absolutely MUST pick off one of the core four Democrat-voting blocs that had scored Obama comfortable (not landslide, but comfortable) victories in 2008 and 2012. By 2008, the deep state machine had turned against Bush and the GOP big time (as evidenced by the polar shift from red to blue in Virginia, the most "big brother" state in the entire country) and the suburban vote had become increasingly friendly to Democrats.

The easiest and most vulnerable of those voting blocs for the Republican party to pick off was the long-standing but soft Democrat voting bloc that was the white working class, exurban blue dog Democrat vote. They were ancestral (D) votes but generally socially conservative and economically populist (not socialist, but pro-union). But the GOP could not field a Bush, McCain, Romney, or -say- even Ted Cruz type of establishment candidate and hope to flip those types of voters, which meant abandoning previous GOP stronghold states that had flipped blue like Colorado and Virginia permanently, and focused on flipping the northern midwest blue wall to red, which only a truly populist America First candidate like Trump himself was able to do in 2016. Literally any other candidate would have lost to Hillary, by losing all three of WI, MI and PA by lean margins; even if they had managed to flip back Florida and Ohio and hold on to other old GOP strongholds like Georgia and Arizona.

The electoral college justified the movement from neocon conservatism to Trumpism, i.e. America First populism. With a Romney or other Mitch McConnell-ite type candidate at the top of the (R) ticket, there was simply never going to be any path to 270 ECV for the Republican Party with Colorado and Virginia firmly and squarely in the Democratic column for good.

[Blake]

This guy's a Clinton-Gore-Kerry-Obama-Obama-Trump-Trump voter based in Wisconsin. He explains it well in this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTe0RvxXbmc

Not gonna watch either; what's "Trumpsim"?

[ElNono]

My opinion (and the fact) is that the Republican Party, specifically the old guard of the Republican Party, was at a dead end after the blue wave years of 2006 and 2008. (The GOP as a whole is still suffering from the lingering effects of the blue tsunami in the senate in Nov. '06, by the way. Hopefully we can finally reverse that in '24, but it's been a long time coming.) Bush 43 and his administration was considered a failure by the majority of Americans, from genuine moderate liberals to leftists to blue-dog populists to establishment Democrat types. The Tea Party and the 2010 bounce-back proved that the GOP was not completely yet dead, but in 2012 when Romney was resoundingly defeated it was painfully obvious that the electoral college map had become essentially an impenetrable brick wall for the GOP in its current pro-Bush, pro-McCain, pro-war establishmentarian state.

It was painfully obvious that the GOP, in order to ever win back enough electoral votes to have a crack at winning the White House again, absolutely MUST pick off one of the core four Democrat-voting blocs that had scored Obama comfortable (not landslide, but comfortable) victories in 2008 and 2012. By 2008, the deep state machine had turned against Bush and the GOP big time (as evidenced by the polar shift from red to blue in Virginia, the most "big brother" state in the entire country) and the suburban vote had become increasingly friendly to Democrats.

The easiest and most vulnerable of those voting blocs for the Republican party to pick off was the long-standing but soft Democrat voting bloc that was the white working class, exurban blue dog Democrat vote. They were ancestral (D) votes but generally socially conservative and economically populist (not socialist, but pro-union). But the GOP could not field a Bush, McCain, Romney, or -say- even Ted Cruz type of establishment candidate and hope to flip those types of voters, which meant abandoning previous GOP stronghold states that had flipped blue like Colorado and Virginia permanently, and focused on flipping the northern midwest blue wall to red, which only a truly populist America First candidate like Trump himself was able to do in 2016. Literally any other candidate would have lost to Hillary, by losing all three of WI, MI and PA by lean margins; even if they had managed to flip back Florida and Ohio and hold on to other old GOP strongholds like Georgia and Arizona.

The electoral college justified the movement from neocon conservatism to Trumpism, i.e. America First populism. With a Romney or other Mitch McConnell-ite type candidate at the top of the (R) ticket, there was simply never going to be any path to 270 ECV for the Republican Party with Colorado and Virginia firmly and squarely in the Democratic column for good.

Thanks. "America-first" is a misnomer though. It's really anti-globalization, anti-market economy, isolationism, pro-union... which is really neither fundamentally conservative nor realistic in any way shape or form. Is not how Trump governed either.

But I do agree that conservative ideas are an electoral loser in this day and age, tbh. They can't realistically run on that and expect to win. The core problem though is that things like "bringing manufacturing back", you can only run on that once and when you inevitably fail to deliver, the con is up. Really what happened to Trump and what's going to happen to anybody running on it. Also worked well that time because Shillary was a horrendous candidate while Trump was also horrible, but was less of a known quantity.

It's just a different situation from Democrats. There, there's doubt and ineptitude on how to engage with the base in things that matter to them, and ultimately that's the biggest saving grace for the GOP, IMO.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Thanks. "America-first" is a misnomer though. It's really anti-globalization, anti-market economy, isolationism, pro-union... which is really neither fundamentally conservative nor realistic in any way shape or form. Is not how Trump governed either.

But I do agree that conservative ideas are an electoral loser in this day and age, tbh. They can't realistically run on that and expect to win. The core problem though is that things like "bringing manufacturing back", you can only run on that once and when you inevitably fail to deliver, the con is up. Really what happened to Trump and what's going to happen to anybody running on it. Also worked well that time because Shillary was a horrendous candidate while Trump was also horrible, but was less of a known quantity.

It's just a different situation from Democrats. There, there's doubt and ineptitude on how to engage with the base in things that matter to them, and ultimately that's the biggest saving grace for the GOP, IMO.

The infighting is bigger with the Dems than the GOP imo. Look at Tx-28 with Cuellar-Cisneros. The establishment Dems and far leftists don't want to concede one inch to another. AOC and Pelosi hate each other's guts. While Trump might not like some of the old guard Republicans, especially those who voted for his impeachment once or twice or those who supported the 1/6 hoax commission... those people are rapidly retiring and getting primaried out. The only thing that Trump appears to be losing his argument on is the "2020 election was stolen" argument. Trump is generally slowly but surely winning the battle to get back to the white house but he needs to shut up on a few things like calling people woke liberals for not voting to overturn the 2020 election results. Regardless of whether there was cheating or not, 2020 is the past and Trump needs to get the hell over it, like the Spurs did after getting jobbed in the 2013 Finals. Right now Trump's acting a lot like the post-2002 Sacramento Kings on that particular issue and it's not a good look. But in general the Republicans, minus a couple loose ends like Romney and Murkowski, vote as one... while the Democrats can't quell the squad and the other far leftists from within their own ranks. Even Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham, who are as establishment as it gets, generally vote with Trump. Brian Kemp, the GA governor, will easily win re-election and vote with Trump just as he did 98% of the time he's been governor, with the only real issue of note being that he refused to overturn the 2020 election even though he's no less conservative than, say, Perdue. Trump was just being spiteful there and the GA GOP and voters saw right through him on that. Trump's endorsement record is pretty good but it's not perfect. Kemp was the right choice and it's up to Trump to work with Kemp to pass Florida-esque election integrity and voting counting laws like you'd see in a Florida or Texas.

[ElNono]

The infighting is bigger with the Dems than the GOP imo. Look at Tx-28 with Cuellar-Cisneros. The establishment Dems and far leftists don't want to concede one inch to another. AOC and Pelosi hate each other's guts. While Trump might not like some of the old guard Republicans, especially those who voted for his impeachment once or twice or those who supported the 1/6 hoax commission... those people are rapidly retiring and getting primaried out. The only thing that Trump appears to be losing his argument on is the "2020 election was stolen" argument. Trump is generally slowly but surely winning the battle to get back to the white house but he needs to shut up on a few things like calling people woke liberals for not voting to overturn the 2020 election results. Regardless of whether there was cheating or not, 2020 is the past and Trump needs to get the hell over it, like the Spurs did after getting jobbed in the 2013 Finals. Right now Trump's acting a lot like the post-2002 Sacramento Kings on that particular issue and it's not a good look. But in general the Republicans, minus a couple loose ends like Romney and Murkowski, vote as one... while the Democrats can't quell the squad and the other far leftists from within their own ranks. Even Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham, who are as establishment as it gets, generally vote with Trump. Brian Kemp, the GA governor, will easily win re-election and vote with Trump just as he did 98% of the time he's been governor, with the only real issue of note being that he refused to overturn the 2020 election even though he's no less conservative than, say, Perdue. Trump was just being spiteful there and the GA GOP and voters saw right through him on that. Trump's endorsement record is pretty good but it's not perfect. Kemp was the right choice and it's up to Trump to work with Kemp to pass Florida-esque election integrity and voting counting laws like you'd see in a Florida or Texas.

I don't dispute that there's more infighting there. It's just, different. One thing Trump did was completely neuter the Republican party, with the exception being people like DeathSantis, who really is a Trump wannabe. Very few exceptions to this, like the GA people.
As much as you claim AOC hates Pelosi, she's been voting with the party on pretty much everything, and the House has never really been a problem for Dems. I suppose she hates Republicans more.

But I agree the Dems can be incredibly inept managing their position of power and stated so many times. Unlike the GOP who has a kingmaker now, there's a very shady process on who gets ahead in the party as well. Lots of new faces, but who gets a prominent role seems very calculated.
There's no way terrible candidates like Shillary and Old Joe win the nomination without all sorts of political backroom deals.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don't dispute that there's more infighting there. It's just, different. One thing Trump did was completely neuter the Republican party, with the exception being people like DeathSantis, who really is a Trump wannabe. Very few exceptions to this, like the GA people.
As much as you claim AOC hates Pelosi, she's been voting with the party on pretty much everything, and the House has never really been a problem for Dems. I suppose she hates Republicans more.

But I agree the Dems can be incredibly inept managing their position of power and stated so many times. Unlike the GOP who has a kingmaker now, there's a very shady process on who gets ahead in the party as well. Lots of new faces, but who gets a prominent role seems very calculated.
There's no way terrible candidates like Shillary and Old Joe win the nomination without all sorts of political backroom deals.

The Obamas essentially retiring from politics was definitely a huge negative for the establishment Democratic party. Barack Obama's endorsement used to be king back in my high school and college days. If Obama was out touring around the country like Trump doing "Progress" rallies (i.e. the Democrat version of Trump's "Save America" rallies), the Democrats would have a better shot in 2022 and 2024. Because people still like Obama. Sure you had people that disliked him (racists, theories that he was a Muslim, birthers etc) but there wasn't this enormous "FJB / Let's Go Brandon" type energy against Obama the way that there has been against Biden, especially in the past 9-10 months or so. Obama was actually competent on some economic issues like sequestration to fight inflation and finally getting gas prices down from late 2014 until the Biden admin. People say Trump was the one who "finally lowered gas prices" but nope, fact check says that it actually occurred 2 years before Obama left office.

Bill Clinton actually left office the most popular president since (I believe) JFK.... it's unfortunate, particularly for the Dems that he married someone totally awful who's basically a conniving, manipulative, war hawking, power hungry witch. He'd had been better off being a single president like Grover Cleveland was and then marrying Monica Lewinsky deep into his second term, tbh. :lol Because the Clinton brand was another really strong one when Bill Clinton and not Hillary was the name associated with it.

DeSantis is a fantastic governor and Florida is a permanently red state now. We're never going back to 2012 because the Cubano and pro-Trump and DeSantis trends are just too strong there. Georgia is a different case. They are much more the "soft GOP vote" like you see in a few other places like Delaware County, Ohio (one county north of Columbus). There are still far more registered Republicans than Democrats in Georgia, but a lot of what has made Georgia purple is the huge influx of blacks to the Atlanta metro area, from the rust belt, northeast and other parts of the South... that have not necessarily all registered as Democrats (less than half of them have, actually), but still vote Democrat in droves when they feel the urge to vote. When the urge to vote isn't really there, Republicans win Georgia by comfortable margins.

In a midterm like 2022, Kemp and Walker are going to win the state by around 6-9% each. In a non-pandemic general election like 2024, there should still be enough Republicans to win at the presidential level (albeit, by slim margins) for at least one or two more cycles; but Trump or DeSantis needs to adopt a different strategy in Georgia than "America First" because as you said, the movement is pro union and WWC which isn't really a big voter bloc in GA. Sure you have the far northern and NW parts in the Appalachians but that's a tiny sliver. Most of the state is either rural, with a rural black belt (i.e. rot belt) running through about the halfway point of the state, and the rest mostly white rural counties that will always be red... but the Atlanta Metro has gotten enormous and in order to win Georgia at some point for the Republicans you will need some suburban reversion which means winning back a large share of the white upper and upper middle class, white collar voters who generally have a bachelor's degree or higher.