*JERAMI GRANT FOR PICKS 9 AND 20 + LONNIE...*

[NK123]

- I think that Jerami Grant would be perfect for our Spurs.

- He would solve our PF spot from day one

- I believe that this move would take us to the playoffs again.

Our Starting 5​

PG. DeJounte Murray
SG. Devin Vassell
SF. Keldon Johnson
PF. Jerami Grant
C. Jakob Poeltl

Our Bench 5

PG. Tre Jones vs Pick 38
SG. Josh Primo vs Joe Wieskamp vs Pick 25
SF. Josh Richardson vs Doug McDermott
PF. Jack Landale vs. Bates-Diop
C. Zach Collins

This trade would be great for the Pistons too.

They get the chance to draft two / three young talents that fit their timeline.
they can trade their picks to get to the top of the draft.
They now will have the opportunity to normalize their bigs rotation.
Lonnie goes to a place where he can make mistakes without too much criticisim.


For Jerami, this is a great trade too.
He gets the possibility to be the number one option in a system that have great role players.
He will have the opportunity to play within his strengths, his desires without the need to carry the team by himself.

[pad300]

Way too much to pay for Jerami Grant, who's going to want a huge contract next year. #20 and Lonnie maybe.

[RC_Drunkford]

LOL yeah let‘s throw away the 9th pick for a 28-year old player on an expiring contract who wants to get paid even more next season. Spurs can easily geht him for less at the trade deadline if they want him

[Dex]

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[Chinook]

There are narrow situations where trading 9 for Grant can make sense. Not this one. Not including 20, not using cap space, not getting busted for tampering.

[Ariel]

Jerami Grant is not trash, and he'll command a nice package in return via S&T. It's just that he doesn't move the needle for us, we're more than one piece away and we're better served building the roster a season or two before going all in.

[DAF86]

lol what?

I'm a Grant fan but there's no way he's worth a 9th pick, let alone 9, 20 and Lonnie. Also, in what World is Jeremi a #1 option on a playoffs team? :lol

[Mr. Body]

Is Jerami Grant even a #1 option for a cellar dwelling team?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This trade would cost not only picks 9 and 20 but some future picks as well after the Spurs are hit with tampering investigations for doing an illegal trade.

Even if it was legal it’s still a gross overpay for someone who could easily walk in a year.

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This trade would cost not only picks 9 and 20 but some future picks as well after the Spurs are hit with tampering investigations for doing an illegal trade.

Even if it was legal it’s still a gross overpay for someone who could easily walk in a year.

Yup. Though OP is spot on that Grant would be a perfect piece and allow KJ to slide down to the 3 spot.

Gross overpay is right though.

[Leetonidas]

:lmao this is a horrible trade wtf

[Ice009]

Thanks (I wouldn't mind Jerami on the Spurs), but no thanks to giving up that much to get him.

[BacktoBasics]

This team isn’t good enough to justify a trade like that. He’s way out of the timeline and wouldn’t push this deep in the playoffs.

[mo7888]

Is Jerami Grant even a #1 option for a cellar dwelling team?

I think he's a 3rd option on a competing team. If we acquired him (not this unrealistic trade idea though) I think we'd have a team with 2 3rd option guys (DL) and we'd still be looking for our alpha.

[slick'81]

No thank you

[baseline bum]

Jeremi Grant is a league average player who is as good as he'll ever be being paid twice the league average. Wouldn't even really want him for the #20 pick much less the #9.

[TD 21]

After first exhausting trade up options for Murray and if necessary Mathurin, I'd considering trading 9 for someone like this.

His being 28, expiring, the cost to extend (considering these things and his priority of being a pseudo star, he's likely to accept market value and they'd obviously gauge that beforehand), none of it really matters considering this is a "soft" re-build.

They'll be hard pressed to lure someone better in free agency anytime soon, he's a good theoretical fit and presuming relative health should have decent resale value if they decide to pivot in a few years. That said, it'd probably take something like this . . .

Hornets receive: Poeltl, 25
Pistons receive: Washington Jr., Jones, 9
Spurs receive: Grant, 15

[lmbebo]

Would not give up a lottery pick for Grant. He wants to get paid. At most I'd give up a 2nd rounder for him. I see him more of a salary dump than bringing in an asset that is locked in for several years.

[CGD]

lol what?

I'm a Grant fan but there's no way he's worth a 9th pick, let alone 9, 20 and Lonnie. Also, in what World is Jeremi a #1 option on a playoffs team? :lol

I don’t like the fit, but i dont think such a package is far off for what it’s take to get Grant in this crap ass fee agent class. POR is probably dangling 7 and other assets to shake him lose from DET for example.

[baseline bum]

I'd rather bump Zollins' minutes up than give away the fruit of our tank for some guy who is just kind of ok at best and isn't young.

[CGD]

I'd rather bump Zollins' minutes up than give away the fruit of our tank for some guy who is just kind of ok at best and isn't young.

Not to mention he’s on a freakin expiring and will absolutely bolt from San An-freakin-tonio the moment he can.

Hard pass

[tonight...you]

Not to mention he’s on a freakin expiring and will absolutely bolt from San An-freakin-tonio the moment he can.

Hard pass
Some people don't think things through.
Well, some people don't even think.

[KingKev]

Some people don't think things through.
Well, some people don't even think.

or we have to overpay to keep him. Hard pass.

[jeebus]

Reminds of days gone by with the ol "why doesn't our faggot front office trade Austin Daye plus our #29 draft pick for KD?"

[itzsoweezee]

This post perfectly encapsulates the treading water approach the spurs have taken these past 4 years. Just no direction whatsoever. They really have to hit a home run with this draft.

[tonight...you]

or we have to overpay to keep him. Hard pass.
Agrizzled

[CGD]

This post perfectly encapsulates the treading water approach the spurs have taken these past 4 years. Just no direction whatsoever. They really have to hit a home run with this draft.

I disagree. I think they had a plan over the last 4-5 years predicated on a LMA/Kawhi pairing, which obviously turned to the vastly inferior LMA/DDR pairing. That plan failed and ended, and last year ushered in a new approach (though it remains unclear what it truly is).

I also think something may have changed with the White trade or at least clarified their intentions to us fans. My hope is it means the start of a series of consolidations of the older “young guys” for more talented younger “young guys.”

[Thomas82]

Hell naw!!

[Mr. Body]

This post perfectly encapsulates the treading water approach the spurs have taken these past 4 years. Just no direction whatsoever. They really have to hit a home run with this draft.

Yeah, none of that is true. I don't think you've been paying attention.

[rankingtear]

? The ideal playoff 4 everybody wants. I don't get the universal hate.

[baseline bum]

? The ideal playoff 4 everybody wants. I don't get the universal hate.

What's ideal about a 4 who shoots 42.6% and is a truly dogshit rebounder? All he is is empty calories putting up a few points from high usage on a garbage team. And he's overpaid too. I don't see what anyone sees in him.

[baseline bum]

Trading a lottery pick for Jerami Grant sounds like a move the Kings would make.

[exstatic]

? The ideal playoff 4 everybody wants. I don't get the universal hate.

You don’t give up two FRPs for a guy on an ending contract.

[exstatic]

What's ideal about a 4 who shoots 42.6% and is a truly dogshit rebounder? All he is is empty calories putting up a few points from high usage on a garbage team. And he's overpaid too. I don't see what anyone sees in him.

Casuals. They see one year of 20 Ppg, and jizz their pants.

[rankingtear]

What's ideal about a 4 who shoots 42.6% and is a truly dogshit rebounder? All he is is empty calories putting up a few points from high usage on a garbage team. And he's overpaid too. I don't see what anyone sees in him.
It is all relative. Take a look at all the 4 in the league.

[Seventyniner]

Reminds of days gone by with the ol "why doesn't our faggot front office trade Austin Daye plus our #29 draft pick for KD?"

OP went completely the other way and is suggesting a massive overpay.

As for the actual idea of trading for Grant, I would only be in favor of it if the Spurs could also swing a deal for a true star (not Zach LaVine), and I don't see any teams with true stars being willing to trade them away for things like #9/20/25 and Keldon/Vassell.

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Grant would be a seamless fit. Great offensive rebounder that can shoot and pass effectively enough. Paired with Poeltl, and allowing Keldon to slide to the 3, and Vassell the 2, that lineup would be offensively and defensively superior to anything this team has run out in years.

However, you don't trade much of anything for him because almost assuredly, you're only getting it for one year, outside of some pre-trade assurances to the contrary.

So, given all the other gaping holes to this team, and the possibility of ameliorating those deficiencies in this draft, it's just dumb front office work to throw around FRPs for that one year rental.

Anyone saying he wouldn't make this team better though is smoking some good shit.

[baseline bum]

Grant would be a seamless fit. Great offensive rebounder that can shoot and pass effectively enough. Paired with Poeltl, and allowing Keldon to slide to the 3, and Vassell the 2, that lineup would be offensively and defensively superior to anything this team has run out in years.

However, you don't trade much of anything for him because almost assuredly, you're only getting it for one year, outside of some pre-trade assurances to the contrary.

So, given all the other gaping holes to this team, and the possibility of ameliorating those deficiencies in this draft, it's just dumb front office work to throw around FRPs for that one year rental.

Anyone saying he wouldn't make this team better though is smoking some good shit.

The fuck? He averages 0.6 ORB a game. Soft ass Rasho Nesterovic averaged 3.1 ORB a game the only season he got similar minutes here.

[heyheymymy]

Lonnie wouldn't have a contract to trade here unless it's a sign and trade, correct?

[duncan2150]

Awful trade.

I can find two Grant with those 9 and 20 picks and at a lower price.

[TD 21]

Awful trade.

I can find two Grant with those 9 and 20 picks and at a lower price.

:lmao He's a $20M per year player who'll get a raise and plays the scarcest position in the league.

If any Spurs pick from this draft has the value of him, people will be doing backflips.

[exstatic]

:lmao He's a $20M per year player who'll get a raise and plays the scarcest position in the league.

If any Spurs pick from this draft has the value of him, people will be doing backflips.

He’s a chucker who never showed shit until allowed to put up as many shots as he wants on a tanking team. Duncan2150 is right. You can get two of him for 1/5 of the price, combined. He is absolutely nothing special. He’s also not getting a raise unless Detroit loses their mind for a second time. They’re being so stupid. They’re paying a yahoo like Grant, still losing badly, and missing on the opportunity to rent their space for additional picks.

[duncan2150]

:lmao He's a $20M per year player who'll get a raise and plays the scarcest position in the league.

If any Spurs pick from this draft has the value of him, people will be doing backflips.

Man, are you showing something with his salary ?
He'll get a raise ?

Don't understand your arguments, grant is Not that good. He's a role player, the offense is so so with bad%, he's a bad rebounder.

Yes with a good development the spurs could find their grant with their picks.

[BatManu20]

Thought this was gonna be a parody thread when I opened it.

[exstatic]

When Pop was doing load management, Keita was force fed the ball in the LA game, and dropped 30 on them. It’s fools gold, just like it is with Grant. If you give anyone enough shots,they can score 20 or even 30 in an NBA game. If you’re on a bad team, that happens a lot more, and you get a Grant. There are differences, though, when a scrub does it. It usually takes a LOT of shots, like as many as points scored. They usually aren’t even looking at other players, so things normally go bad for the offense. Because of those reasons, a lot of games get lost.

[TD 21]

:lmao I meant cartwheels.


He’s a chucker who never showed shit until allowed to put up as many shots as he wants on a tanking team. Duncan2150 is right. You can get two of him for 1/5 of the price, combined. He is absolutely nothing special. He’s also not getting a raise unless Detroit loses their mind for a second time. They’re being so stupid. They’re paying a yahoo like Grant, still losing badly, and missing on the opportunity to rent their space for additional picks.

He's a 3 and D big wing with secondary shot creation. That's the current second most desirable/scarce archetype. He's not "special", but he is valued and you're going to find out how much if/when the Pistons trade him and on his next contract.

I realize playing here would continue to accentuate his bad habits, but again this is a "soft" re-build.



Man, are you showing something with his salary ?
He'll get a raise ?

Don't understand your arguments, grant is Not that good. He's a role player, the offense is so so with bad%, he's a bad rebounder.

Yes with a good development the spurs could find their grant with their picks.

Yeah, how valued his archetype is.

He's solid and likely to be better than Sochan, for example, ever will be.

[JPB]

Thought this was gonna be a parody thread when I opened it.

Wait, it's not?

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The fuck? He averages 0.6 ORB a game. Soft ass Rasho Nesterovic averaged 3.1 ORB a game the only season he got similar minutes here.

Come on Baseline, your response utterly lacks context. Rasho was an immobile center that practically never ventured beyond 5 feet from the basket except to set a screen. Grant is a *PF* that practically lives 23 feet out in the corner, behind the 3 pt line. That said, he has really good numbers for a PF and has on at least a couple of occasions when playing him, eaten our lunch on the boards.

He's a solid player. And would make us better, especially next to Poeltl. So we disagree evidently on that. We do agree, however, that he's not worth picks even if we have different reasons why.

[baseline bum]

Come on Baseline, your response utterly lacks context. Rasho was an immobile center that practically never ventured beyond 5 feet from the basket except to set a screen. Grant is a *PF* that practically lives 23 feet out in the corner, behind the 3 pt line. That said, he has really good numbers for a PF and has on at least a couple of occasions when playing him, eaten our lunch on the boards.

He's a solid player. And would make us better, especially next to Poeltl. So we disagree evidently on that. We do agree, however, that he's not worth picks even if we have different reasons why.

He's empty calories who puts up meaningless scoring numbers because of usage on a bad team. No thanks.

[Dex]

Thought this was gonna be a parody thread when I opened it.

It still is, just not intentionally.

[itzsoweezee]

Yeah, none of that is true. I don't think you've been paying attention.

You’re right, it was actually just pure incompetence.

[Jordan Jackson]

Thought this was gonna be a parody thread when I opened it.

The collective IQ of this fanbase seem to hobble out the door with Tim Duncan when he retired.

[JamStone]

As much as many Spurs fans thinks it would be a bad trade for the Spurs, it’s not a good trade for the Pistons either. A lot of people make assumptions about other teams. The Pistons wouldn’t necessarily want two more first round picks from this draft. Argument that Jerami Grant doesn’t fit the Pistons young players’ timeline is often an argument that just doesn’t make sense to me. It’s not practical to have 5-7 core players all be the same age on a team, because then if you really like all of them, it’s near impossible to pay and keep them all. The Pistons have five players from the previous two drafts that are likely all part of the rotation for the foreseeable future (Cunningham, Bey, Stewart, Hayes, Livers) and another young guy in Bagley who they actually want to keep. They have the #5 pick in this draft. That’s 7 “young” guys already, not including guys like Diallo, Lee, and Garza who are not cemented in the rotation but may find a way into the future rotation.

The Pistons don’t (or shouldn’t) want more draft picks. In the next 2-3 off seasons they’d have to find a way to pay them all. The roster is packed with youth. Jerami Grant not only brings some veteran balance to the rotation, but Troy Weaver loves the kid, and they have a relationship dating back to Grant’s childhood. And he’s publicly stated that he would like to keep Grant and it would take an overwhelming offer to deal him. He’s willing to deal him, but the offer would have to really blow him away. At least that’s what Weaver has suggested.

As for Grant’s worth, I’m not one to say he’s this or that. But if you consider that super max guys are now in the range of $50+ million per, third and fourth highest paid players on playoff teams are making in the range $25 million or more, I don’t think Jerami Grant’s necessarily overpaid. Idk maybe... But even if he were to get a raise to say $25 million, I think that’s probably right around his free agent market value, maybe a touch on the high side. But there are guys that come off the bench getting paid $20 million per (e.g. Gallinari). Dallas has two guys off the bench making just under $20M per (Dinwiddie, THJ). That’s the NBA cap market now.

As for him being a 20 point scorer on a bad team, well that’s true but it doesn’t mean it’s empty stats necessarily. There are other bad teams like Orlando, Houston that don’t have guys averaging 20 points a game. It’s not as simple as giving a guy the green light to shoot. And then there are bad teams that do have 20 point scorers like De’Aaron Fox, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Dejounte Murray, but majority of fans seem to view them as really good players not guys putting up empty stats. Why differentiate those players as good players but Grant as a guy putting up empty stats? Grant has put up more shots, sure, and at times has chucked a lot of shots in games the past two years. The talent, or more appropriately the lack of talent, on the Pistons has dictated him to do so. He’s not franchise player. I don’t even think he’s a good #2 guy offensively. I think he fits in somewhere as a third option offensively (at best) on a playoff team. And I think $20 million is actually right around the going rate for that. You know, a Marcus Smart type role on offense. Not the guy, not the 2nd guy. But the 3rd, maybe 4th guy who every now and the has a big game.

Spurs fans may think this trade proposal is a joke for the Spurs. I’m telling you as a Pistons fans, I’m not doing it either if I’m the Pistons. There are rumors about Portland offering the #7 and Bledsoe’s expiring that only has like $3.7 million guaranteed, and I wouldn’t do that either. This draft is top heavy with the first 4-5 picks. After that, a big drop off. I don’t think the #9 pick is all that valuable in this draft. I don’t think it’s a good bet that the #9 pick from this draft is a better player than Jerami Grant next season or in 2-3 seasons from now. #20 pick does even less but crowd the roster with more youth that needs to be developed. It’s not a good trade for the Pistons. If the Pistons trade Grant, I’d prefer a young, more somewhat proven NBA player over a draft pick in this draft outside the top 5.

[rankingtear]

^ Woj reported 2 first as the asking price.

[Dex]

As much as many Spurs fans thinks it would be a bad trade for the Spurs, it’s not a good trade for the Pistons either. A lot of people make assumptions about other teams. The Pistons wouldn’t necessarily want two more first round picks from this draft. Argument that Jerami Grant doesn’t fit the Pistons young players’ timeline is often an argument that just doesn’t make sense to me. It’s not practical to have 5-7 core players all be the same age on a team, because then if you really like all of them, it’s near impossible to pay and keep them all. The Pistons have five players from the previous two drafts that are likely all part of the rotation for the foreseeable future (Cunningham, Bey, Stewart, Hayes, Livers) and another young guy in Bagley who they actually want to keep. They have the #5 pick in this draft. That’s 7 “young” guys already, not including guys like Diallo, Lee, and Garza who are not cemented in the rotation but may find a way into the future rotation.

The Pistons don’t (or shouldn’t) want more draft picks. In the next 2-3 off seasons they’d have to find a way to pay them all. The roster is packed with youth. Jerami Grant not only brings some veteran balance to the rotation, but Troy Weaver loves the kid, and they have a relationship dating back to Grant’s childhood. And he’s publicly stated that he would like to keep Grant and it would take an overwhelming offer to deal him. He’s willing to deal him, but the offer would have to really blow him away. At least that’s what Weaver has suggested.

As for Grant’s worth, I’m not one to say he’s this or that. But if you consider that super max guys are now in the range of $50+ million per, third and fourth highest paid players on playoff teams are making in the range $25 million or more, I don’t think Jerami Grant’s necessarily overpaid. Idk maybe... But even if he were to get a raise to say $25 million, I think that’s probably right around his free agent market value, maybe a touch on the high side. But there are guys that come off the bench getting paid $20 million per (e.g. Gallinari). Dallas has two guys off the bench making just under $20M per (Dinwiddie, THJ). That’s the NBA cap market now.

As for him being a 20 point scorer on a bad team, well that’s true but it doesn’t mean it’s empty stats necessarily. There are other bad teams like Orlando, Houston that don’t have guys averaging 20 points a game. It’s not as simple as giving a guy the green light to shoot. And then there are bad teams that do have 20 point scorers like De’Aaron Fox, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Dejounte Murray, but majority of fans seem to view them as really good players not guys putting up empty stats. Why differentiate those players as good players but Grant as a guy putting up empty stats? Grant has put up more shots, sure, and at times has chucked a lot of shots in games the past two years. The talent, or more appropriately the lack of talent, on the Pistons has dictated him to do so. He’s not franchise player. I don’t even think he’s a good #2 guy offensively. I think he fits in somewhere as a third option offensively (at best) on a playoff team. And I think $20 million is actually right around the going rate for that. You know, a Marcus Smart type role on offense. Not the guy, not the 2nd guy. But the 3rd, maybe 4th guy who every now and the has a big game.

Spurs fans may think this trade proposal is a joke for the Spurs. I’m telling you as a Pistons fans, I’m not doing it either if I’m the Pistons. There are rumors about Portland offering the #7 and Bledsoe’s expiring that only has like $3.7 million guaranteed, and I wouldn’t do that either. This draft is top heavy with the first 4-5 picks. After that, a big drop off. I don’t think the #9 pick is all that valuable in this draft. I don’t think it’s a good bet that the #9 pick from this draft is a better player than Jerami Grant next season or in 2-3 seasons from now. #20 pick does even less but crowd the roster with more youth that needs to be developed. It’s not a good trade for the Pistons. If the Pistons trade Grant, I’d prefer a young, more somewhat proven NBA player over a draft pick in this draft outside the top 5.

A rare JamStone sighting! Hope your good, and great thoughts.

Like others have said...I would take on Grant as perhaps a FA (on a reasonable deal) if he was choosing to commit to San Antonio. He does fill a need here, but he has never really struck me as a difference maker and that is what the Spurs need. We have lots of guys on our roster that can put up points if you give them enough shots...we need real leaders.

But giving up an entire year of draft capital (and perhaps the most draft capital we've had in 20 years) plus having to S&T to take on a bad contract, all of which could be for a rental....that's a hell to the no.

[JamStone]

I didn’t read what Woj or anyone else reported. And I’m not speaking on behalf of Troy Weaver. I’m telling you what I think from a Pistons fan perspective.

I’m not naive enough to think all five of the young Pistons players drafted in the previous two drafts will all be part of the core in the future of the Pistons. But what I am getting at is that at some point a team trying to take the next step from bad to average and maybe even from bad to good, it’s not a very prudent plan to just keep adding young players year after year from the draft. I personally don’t like OKC’s plan of action. At some point, you have to mix in some veteran players and maybe deal away some of those young kids or even just let them walk to take that next step. Having a roster full of 18-23 year olds is only good if there are several very good to elite NBA players among them. And even then, you add a couple veteran role players to balance the roster.

I doubt Troy Weaver just wants 2 first round picks from this draft for Grant, regardless what is being reported. I would think he’d prefer 1 high first round pick from this draft, 1 young NBA player he really likes, and a future first round pick. That’s also 2 first round picks, but keeping one in his pocket for the future. That’s the type of deal I think is more likely the asking price. So say, for example, Troy Weaver is talking to the Blazers (as rumored), he’d ask for the #7 pick in this draft, Anfernee Simons, and Portland’s 2024 first round pick (maybe with some protection). That is something I can see being a trade package for Grant. And I wouldn’t say no to that.

[mo7888]

As much as many Spurs fans thinks it would be a bad trade for the Spurs, it’s not a good trade for the Pistons either. A lot of people make assumptions about other teams. The Pistons wouldn’t necessarily want two more first round picks from this draft. Argument that Jerami Grant doesn’t fit the Pistons young players’ timeline is often an argument that just doesn’t make sense to me. It’s not practical to have 5-7 core players all be the same age on a team, because then if you really like all of them, it’s near impossible to pay and keep them all. The Pistons have five players from the previous two drafts that are likely all part of the rotation for the foreseeable future (Cunningham, Bey, Stewart, Hayes, Livers) and another young guy in Bagley who they actually want to keep. They have the #5 pick in this draft. That’s 7 “young” guys already, not including guys like Diallo, Lee, and Garza who are not cemented in the rotation but may find a way into the future rotation.

The Pistons don’t (or shouldn’t) want more draft picks. In the next 2-3 off seasons they’d have to find a way to pay them all. The roster is packed with youth. Jerami Grant not only brings some veteran balance to the rotation, but Troy Weaver loves the kid, and they have a relationship dating back to Grant’s childhood. And he’s publicly stated that he would like to keep Grant and it would take an overwhelming offer to deal him. He’s willing to deal him, but the offer would have to really blow him away. At least that’s what Weaver has suggested.

As for Grant’s worth, I’m not one to say he’s this or that. But if you consider that super max guys are now in the range of $50+ million per, third and fourth highest paid players on playoff teams are making in the range $25 million or more, I don’t think Jerami Grant’s necessarily overpaid. Idk maybe... But even if he were to get a raise to say $25 million, I think that’s probably right around his free agent market value, maybe a touch on the high side. But there are guys that come off the bench getting paid $20 million per (e.g. Gallinari). Dallas has two guys off the bench making just under $20M per (Dinwiddie, THJ). That’s the NBA cap market now.

As for him being a 20 point scorer on a bad team, well that’s true but it doesn’t mean it’s empty stats necessarily. There are other bad teams like Orlando, Houston that don’t have guys averaging 20 points a game. It’s not as simple as giving a guy the green light to shoot. And then there are bad teams that do have 20 point scorers like De’Aaron Fox, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Dejounte Murray, but majority of fans seem to view them as really good players not guys putting up empty stats. Why differentiate those players as good players but Grant as a guy putting up empty stats? Grant has put up more shots, sure, and at times has chucked a lot of shots in games the past two years. The talent, or more appropriately the lack of talent, on the Pistons has dictated him to do so. He’s not franchise player. I don’t even think he’s a good #2 guy offensively. I think he fits in somewhere as a third option offensively (at best) on a playoff team. And I think $20 million is actually right around the going rate for that. You know, a Marcus Smart type role on offense. Not the guy, not the 2nd guy. But the 3rd, maybe 4th guy who every now and the has a big game.

Spurs fans may think this trade proposal is a joke for the Spurs. I’m telling you as a Pistons fans, I’m not doing it either if I’m the Pistons. There are rumors about Portland offering the #7 and Bledsoe’s expiring that only has like $3.7 million guaranteed, and I wouldn’t do that either. This draft is top heavy with the first 4-5 picks. After that, a big drop off. I don’t think the #9 pick is all that valuable in this draft. I don’t think it’s a good bet that the #9 pick from this draft is a better player than Jerami Grant next season or in 2-3 seasons from now. #20 pick does even less but crowd the roster with more youth that needs to be developed. It’s not a good trade for the Pistons. If the Pistons trade Grant, I’d prefer a young, more somewhat proven NBA player over a draft pick in this draft outside the top 5.

As a piston fan, what type of deal would you be looking for to move Grant? Or would you just prefer to extend him?

[JamStone]

The Blazers trade package I mentioned just above is the type of deal I’d want for Grant as a Pistons fan.

I would have zero problem extending Jerami Grant $75M/3 years for that $25 million per. Weaver has yet to offer a 4 year contract to anyone. I don’t know that he’d do it for Jerami either. I’m not opposed to 100/4, I’d just try 75/3 first.

But the thinking is Cade Cunningham is not up for his first big contract extension for another 3-4 years and there are no other big money contracts on the Pistons payroll now that Blake Griffin’s money is off the books. But that also means there should be room in the payroll for another max type contract and if Grant is extended, I would hope that accompanies another major move in this off season or next off season for one more max caliber type player. But I can’t tell you who I would want that to be because I’m not sure who I’d want, who’s available, and if they would want to join the Pistons.

But what I’m getting at is I’m okay if Jerami Grant is the third best offensive player on the Pistons. If he’s getting paid to be the #2 guy and no other big move for a better #2 player happens, I’d be less ok with extending him.

[mo7888]

The Blazers trade package I mentioned just above is the type of deal I’d want for Grant as a Pistons fan.

I would have zero problem extending Jerami Grant $75M/3 years for that $25 million per. Weaver has yet to offer a 4 year contract to anyone. I don’t know that he’d do it for Jerami either. I’m not opposed to 100/4, I’d just try 75/3 first.

But the thinking is Cade Cunningham is not up for his first big contract extension for another 3-4 years and there are no other big money contracts on the Pistons payroll now that Blake Griffin’s money is off the books. But that also means there should be room in the payroll for another max type contract and if Grant is extended, I would hope that accompanies another major move in this off season or next off season for one more max caliber type player. But I can’t tell you who I would want that to be because I’m not sure who I’d want, who’s available, and if they would want to join the Pistons.

But what I’m getting at Ian I’m okay if Jerami Grant is the third best offensive player on the Pistons. If he’s getting paid to be the #2 guy and no other big move for a better #2 player happens, I’d be less ok with extending him.

Extending him makes the most sense from my perspective. I think it increases his trade value (next summer) because he'd be locked up and not a rental. I think you guys are in a little bit of a tough spot here.. on one hand he can get $25 on the market and he's a little upset your FO didn't lock him up earlier so he's probably going to want to extract a higher yearly number to stay in Detroit....on the other hand I don't think anyone in their right mind is going to offer you a top 10 pick for a one year rental unless it's a bigger and more complicated deal involving other considerations...

If it were me I'd guage the market and extend him at $25 if his representatives are amenable....if it doesn't look like I can get him at $25M/per I'd try and move him for whatever is the best offer with as little salary coming back as possible and move on...

[R. DeMurre]

Word was the Nuggets offered Grant the same money as Detroit, but he wanted to be more of a number one option in an offense, and he wasn't going to be that behind Jokic, Murray, and MPJ in Denver. There were other factors in his decision too, but I have to wonder at the choice to leave the best passing center on the planet, a guy who will get you better shots and never be stingy about sharing the ball, just to be the guy in a rebuild... It seems like a classic example of needing to be careful about what you wish for. Jokic plays the right way, and Grant will probably never have a teammate who's his equal, even if he plays another decade. Detroit won 23 games last year with a young roster, so maybe a big leap next season would take them to 35? At this pace Grant is looking at
maybe making the playoffs by the time he's 30, and on a team where Cade Cunningham is the #1 option.



https://www.denverpost.com/2020/12/02/pistons-jerami-grant-free-agent-leaving-nuggets/

[exstatic]

I don’t agree with the entire OKC plan but their exchange of caproom for picks has been nothing short of brilliant. The fact that Detroit, who is obviously is tanking, didn’t do the same, but paid a journeyman $20M to come and score 20ppg on a shit team is astounding.

[JamStone]

Detroit wasn’t tanking last season. They were just bad, especially early on to start the season and had long injuries to their top two players, Cade and Jerami. Cade to the start of the season and Jerami not long after Cade finally returned to the line-up. The team never got any chemistry to their planned starting unit until after the all star break. They actually played really well around and after the all star break, ending Boston’s whatever it was 17 game win streak, beating other playoff teams like Cleveland and Philly and Toronto and Atlanta with those teams trying to win. And then the finally week or two, they did start to sit guys and tank. They did not go into the season proactively tanking. They just couldn’t get their shit together until it was too late into the season. And $20 million for Jerami Grant, who any of us could argue is a solid #3 offensive option, doesn’t sound so crazy to me for a team and city that has a hard time luring bigger name free agents and after a year would have a pretty wide open payroll. The price wasn’t terrible. And journeyman or not, he proved with more freedom and shots, he was capable of being a 20 point scorer. With the proper and accurate context, astounding is nowhere near the reaction you should have with the signing.


I know it’s often been framed in the media that Jerami Grant left Denver to be a #1 guy with the question why would he leave playing with Jokic. But I don’t know how accurate that is. He definitely wanted to have a bigger role offensively, but it wasn’t necessarily about being the #1 or even #2 guy. Look at the Nuggets. They’re built around Jokic, but their #1 scorer was Murray. And Michael Porter Jr. was trending as another go-to scorer. At best, at the very best, Jerami Grant was the #4 option on offense, along with a guy like Will Barton who plays with the ball in his hands, so maybe in reality Jerami is the #5 option. He wanted a bigger role on offense wherever he signed, but I don’t know that he was looking to be or demanding to Ben th #1 guy. Maybe just not the #4 or #5 guy.

And two things about signing with Detroit. 1) Jerami did have an existing relationship with Troy Weaver that predates even their year together at OKC. Apparently Weaver is familiar with Jerami and his father Harvey from the Baltimore area. They also have a Syracuse connection. And 2) Jerami has publicly spoke how special and important it was playing for a black coach and a black GM in a black city, particularly in the midst of the racial divide in the country during all the George Floyd, Breonna Taylor stuff that went on during that 2019-20 season. He has stated how important it was to get involved with the black community in Detroit and he’s been pretty involved.

So it wasn’t simply just to sign with a team to be a #1 guy.

[rascal]

JamStone summed it up.

Detroit wouldn't even be interested in what the Spurs have to offer.

[exstatic]

JamStone summed it up.

Detroit wouldn't even be interested in what the Spurs have to offer.

Sounds like Jerami wouldn’t be interested, either.

[CGD]

I don’t agree with the entire OKC plan but their exchange of caproom for picks has been nothing short of brilliant. The fact that Detroit, who is obviously is tanking, didn’t do the same, but paid a journeyman $20M to come and score 20ppg on a shit team is astounding.

Still TBD. If they flip him for 7 and other pieces they can use/re-flip, it may end up being “brilliant” too.

[Seventyniner]

Sounds like Jerami wouldn’t be interested, either.

He wouldn't be able to veto the trade, but yeah it sounds like he wouldn't sign an extension to stay in SA, which removes all incentive for the Spurs to trade for him.

[CGD]

He wouldn't be able to veto the trade, but yeah it sounds like he wouldn't sign an extension to stay in SA, which removes all incentive for the Spurs to trade for him.

Grant is never coming to the spurs, nor should we want him.

[slick'81]

Grant is never coming to the spurs, nor should we want him.

yea, all these fantasy scenarios are a waste of time

[TD 21]

I realize the commentary is about OP, but I find it hard to believe the Pistons wouldn't at least consider my fake trade (it'd probably depend on specifically who is available at 9) or that Grant wouldn't do likewise if the Spurs offer market value on an extension.

[offset formation]

Grant is never coming to the spurs, nor should we want him.

1/3 right. We should want him (he'd make this team MUCH better overnight on his presence alone, which would allow the two spots below him to play in position). He is not coming to the Spurs, though. And if he did come on a trade, he wouldn't resign. Ergo, he's not worth it.

[RC_Drunkford]

After first exhausting trade up options for Murray and if necessary Mathurin, I'd considering trading 9 for someone like this.

His being 28, expiring, the cost to extend (considering these things and his priority of being a pseudo star, he's likely to accept market value and they'd obviously gauge that beforehand), none of it really matters considering this is a "soft" re-build.

They'll be hard pressed to lure someone better in free agency anytime soon, he's a good theoretical fit and presuming relative health should have decent resale value if they decide to pivot in a few years. That said, it'd probably take something like this . . .

Hornets receive: Poeltl, 25
Pistons receive: Washington Jr., Jones, 9
Spurs receive: Grant, 15

that's one of the worst trades ever. Basically all 3 teams are off worse after that trade :lmao

[SAGirl]

Word was the Nuggets offered Grant the same money as Detroit, but he wanted to be more of a number one option in an offense, and he wasn't going to be that behind Jokic, Murray, and MPJ in Denver. There were other factors in his decision too, but I have to wonder at the choice to leave the best passing center on the planet, a guy who will get you better shots and never be stingy about sharing the ball, just to be the guy in a rebuild... It seems like a classic example of needing to be careful about what you wish for. Jokic plays the right way, and Grant will probably never have a teammate who's his equal, even if he plays another decade. Detroit won 23 games last year with a young roster, so maybe a big leap next season would take them to 35? At this pace Grant is looking at
maybe making the playoffs by the time he's 30, and on a team where Cade Cunningham is the #1 option.



https://www.denverpost.com/2020/12/02/pistons-jerami-grant-free-agent-leaving-nuggets/
Thanks for sharing that article.
It was interesting for the context of his mentality as you say, but what really caught my eye was that Denver traded a first round pick for him when he had a year left on his prior contract and he left them hanging because he wanted a bigger role. They traded for him because they had all the desire and intention of re-signing him. They matched what he got from Detroit and promised to help him develop his game further, etc. No matter, his ego was flattered and he left for the promise of a bigger role.

I am not as critical of his ego because all players that aspire to greatness often need to have a healthy or even heavy dose of ego and even irrational confidence. I don’t fault him his ambition, so much as noticing the risk and gamble that didn’t pay off for Denver failing to re-sign him. Why would another team do the same, trading not just one but two (!) first round picks when he would be again a one year rental? No thanks.

[R. DeMurre]

I am not as critical of his ego because all players that aspire to greatness often need to have a healthy or even heavy dose of ego and even irrational confidence. I don’t fault him his ambition, so much as noticing the risk and gamble that didn’t pay off for Denver failing to re-sign him. Why would another team do the same, trading not just one but two (!) first round picks when he would be again a one year rental? No thanks.


Every time I see a story like this, I'm reminded of how incredibly lucky the Spurs were to have both Manu and Timmy. Either guy could've gone elsewhere for more money or simply demanded more to stay. I often think of how satisfied Manu must be looking back at his career, and wonder if guys like Iverson, Melo, or others could possibly have the same level of contentment. They'll always have the street cred and the "I was a badass alpha" moniker, but Manu out-thought & outplayed them in pretty much every aspect.

[baseline bum]

LOL this thread. So all the Pistons got for Grant is Milwaukee's 2025 first, which will almost certainly be late 20s, Portland's #36 this year, and a couple more seconds. Told you this bum wasn't worth shit.

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if SpursTalk will ever learn how to evaluate players properly.

[DPG21920]

Ya - clear that everyone overrated Grant and what DET could get for him. Still, I am fine with the deal for DET. Extra first and insane flexibility

[TD 21]

Among the most connected insiders in the industry had long floated Grant for 7 being discussed.

[Mr. Body]

Among the most connected insiders in the industry had long floated Grant for 7 being discussed.

The "most connected insiders in the industry" are completely full of shit then.

[exstatic]

Among the most connected insiders in the industry had long floated Grant for 7 being discussed.

They may have gotten word it was Portland in discussions, and made the dumbest assumption possible.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Winning teams would value roleplayer Jerami Grant - the Denver guy who defends and shoots when open, but he wants to be leading scorer Jerami Grant , which is what brings his value down.

[JamStone]

Well shit... I’m dumb. Thought Weaver valued Grant way more. Thought Grant value staying in Detroit way more.

Me wrong.

[KingKev]

Winning teams would value roleplayer Jerami Grant - the Denver guy who defends and shoots when open, but he wants to be leading scorer Jerami Grant , which is what brings his value down.

This is a good point. He’ll get an opportunity to do a bit of both in Portland. Could be a good fit.

[Dverde]

At least this gets Portland out of the OG sweepstakes. I’d rather have him then Grant.

[Ariel]

Well shit... I’m dumb. Thought Weaver valued Grant way more. Thought Grant value staying in Detroit way more.

Me wrong.
Owning up. Major points.

[RC_Drunkford]

At least this gets Portland out of the OG sweepstakes. I’d rather have him then Grant.

nah That’s who Portland wants next. I don’t think Toronto will do it for the 7th pick though

[Ariel]

TBH, I think a lot of the meager value Detroit received had to do with the contract Grant is looking for (4 year 100M+). That reduces the potential trade partners a lot. Otherwise, surely you would have gotten way more (he's certainly worth more than a projected late 1st 3 years into the future).