Countdown to Gun Control

[DMC]

Let's start the clock on this shit. The left thinks it's easy, so it should happen fairly quick. We've had enough mass shootings to justify
it but maybe, just maybe a really wealthy white politician has to go first, THEN we can get gun control.

I am all for gun control. In fact, I am for banning guns, doing away with 2A completely.

Let's see how much courage the left has on this.

Chop chop

[boutons_deux]

Repugs said they will block any attempt at gun control.

Any infringement anywhere in the USA will be immediately challenged
and struck down by the Supreme Court

40% of Republicans think Mass slaughter by guns is just something Americans have to live with

America is fucked and unfuckable

[DMC]

Repugs said they will block any attempt at gun control.

Any infringement anywhere in the USA will be immediately challenged
and struck down by the Supreme Court

40% of Republicans think Mass slaughter by guns is just something Americans have to live with

America is fucked and unfuckable

Don't be a fucking pussy. That's not an excuse. If you want to say the left is impotent, just say it. You have the WH, get after it.

"I'm sorry your kids were gunned down while in class, we'd do something about it but the party not in power is just too powerful and well, we don't want to piss them off" -Left

[Dick Jones]

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[DMC]

I don't see images so use your words, Dick.

[SnakeBoy]

Dems will pass meaningful gun control when Republicans vote for it. That's the official lib position on gun control.

[HemisfairArena]

Repugs said they will block any attempt at gun control.

Any infringement anywhere in the USA will be immediately challenged
and struck down by the Supreme Court

40% of Republicans think Mass slaughter by guns is just something Americans have to live with

America is fucked and unfuckable

That can be applied to extremism democrats spew regarding abortion,,,they want to be able to terminate 9 months into a pregnancy,,,they want no compromise. So republicans are extreme regarding guns,,,,democrats extreme regarding abortion,,,both parties have their fuck ups,,,

Im for gun control regarding assault rifles but the problem is if you give democrats an inch,,,they try to take a mile. They wont be happy with just assault weapons,,,they'll try for every other gun after that. Thats why republicans fight to block them on any type of gun control,,,

[Dick Jones]

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[DMC]

Nope, nothing. Get to work on gun control Dick. Clock is a ticking.

[Blake]

Sad, angry attention thread

[Ef-man]

Sad, angry attention thread

And triggered.

[boutons_deux]

1/3 of Republican said they would kill to achieve political objectives

[Ef-man]

1/3 of Republican said they would kill to achieve political objectives

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[ElNono]

Dems will pass meaningful gun control when Republicans vote for it. That's the official lib position on gun control.

It'll eventually happen when they have the votes, which is not right now. see: Obamacare for a similar example.

[pgardn]

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Dems will pass meaningful gun control when Republicans vote for it. That's the official lib position on gun control.

Like the NRA only lines the red team pockets...

[Winehole23]

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Republicans take politics very seriously, they're not to be underestimated, they just got away with an attempted autocoup, some people are still lobbying for it rn

[BD24]

On board with a complete ban tbh. Something similar to australia would be good in my book. Not sure how genuine you are about it though tbh. But, if you are, I agree.

[Ef-man]

Republicans take politics very seriously, they're not to be underestimated, they just got away with an attempted autocoup, some people are still lobbying for it rn

If I was into betting, red flag laws and/or raising the age to 21 for purchase of certain rifles will be supported by Republicans but not much else will happen.

[BD24]

If I was into betting, red flag laws and/or raising the age to 21 for purchase of certain rifles will be supported by Republicans but not much else will happen.
Republicans being for raising the age to 21 is wishful thinking. You are gonna get pushback from the “so they can join the military, but can’t own a gun” crowd tbh.

[Joseph Kony]

someone show this thread to congress quick! DMC is onboard!

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Republicans being for raising the age to 21 is wishful thinking. You are gonna get pushback from the “so they can join the military, but can’t own a gun” crowd tbh.

Beats this, BD...http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif
tee, hee, beezer, tee, hee!!!

[Ef-man]

Republicans being for raising the age to 21 is wishful thinking. You are gonna get pushback from the “so they can join the military, but can’t own a gun” crowd tbh.

Exceptions could be made for active duty personnel, everyone else, wait.

[BD24]

Exceptions could be made for active duty personnel, everyone else, wait.
I don’t disagree with you. I’m just saying what I think the Republican pushback will be. We saw it in the other thread with people like CC who basically just threw up his hands and said nothing could be done and that these things aren’t realistic.

[Thread]

I don’t disagree with you. I’m just saying what I think the Republican pushback will be. We saw it in the other thread with people like CC who basically just threw up his hands and said nothing could be done and that these things aren’t realistic.

This is realistic, BD...https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif
tee, hee.

[Spurminator]

The ST gun nuts reeeeally want to validate their gun love and 2nd Amendment absolutism on logical or moral grounds, but they never fail to always get backed into a corner where all they're left with is "your gun control ideas haven't been implemented though lol."

Called it.

:lol

[DMC]

Excuses and deflecting right away.

Of course I am on board with a total ban. If you want the results of other nations you need to use the same recipe. These soft shoe "keep muh job" chickenshits who are afraid to do what needs to be done need to go. Stop voting for people who are afraid to go against the opposition on anything that matters. You can bet the GOP isn't afraid.

"But, Australia".. they banned guns and confiscated them (some voluntarily). They didn't say "well you can kill 10 rapidly but you need to take about 4 seconds to rerack the 2nd magazine.. there we did something".

Don't be pussies, either admit you keep voting for ineffective leaders or you also don't want real change. I said years ago what needs to happen.

Clock still ticking to the next shooting. Get after it.

[Dick Jones]

tbh This is one of the more impressive “desperately fishing for bites” combined with “excuse me while I suck my own pecker” threads in the history of this forum :tu

[Thread]

Called it.

:lol

Now, call this, motherfucker...

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That GD plane was on the tarmac, the ropes were brought down and erected. Then? Well then all the laughter died in sorrow.

Signed,

- Pappy

[Blake]

Republicans being for raising the age to 21 is wishful thinking. You are gonna get pushback from the “so they can join the military, but can’t own a gun” crowd tbh.

They can join the military but can't drink a beer?

[Spurminator]

Of course I am on board with a total ban.

:lol You've spent hours and dozens of posts in other threads arguing against the merits of various gun control ideas and now you want people to believe you're actually a 2A abolitionist.

And you want people to argue with you in good faith on the idea that Republicans will align with Democrats on an outright gun ban despite opposing every previous effort related to gun control.

This is why no one is taking this seriously. You're full of shit and it's not worth the time.

[TSA]

I'd be willing to do a government buy back on all my AR15s if I was offered $10,000 per rifle. I have other semi-auto rifles chambered in .223 that use the same magazines and have the same rate of fire but they don't look scary so I'm fine just using those and getting a check from the government for $100,000+. If the government won't offer $10,000 per AR15 individual democrats should start a giant go fund me that pays out $10,000 per AR15 turned in. Time to step up and get the scary looking guns off the street.

[Spurminator]

I'd be willing to do a government buy back on all my AR15s if I was offered $10,000 per rifle. I have other semi-auto rifles chambered in .223 that use the same magazines and have the same rate of fire but they don't look scary so I'm fine just using those and getting a check from the government for $100,000+. If the government won't offer $10,000 per AR15 individual democrats should start a giant go fund me that pays out $10,000 per AR15 turned in. Time to step up and get the scary looking guns off the street.

Nah. Just ban the manufacture and sale of new ones, the secondary market price will skyrocket and you can make that money from collectors without adding $50B to government spending.

[Dick Jones]

I'd be willing to do a government buy back on all my AR15s if I was offered $10,000 per rifle. I have other semi-auto rifles chambered in .223 that use the same magazines and have the same rate of fire but they don't look scary so I'm fine just using those and getting a check from the government for $100,000+. If the government won't offer $10,000 per AR15 individual democrats should start a giant go fund me that pays out $10,000 per AR15 turned in. Time to step up and get the scary looking guns off the street.
srs q wat the diff b/w mag n clip?

[Thread]

They can join the military but can't drink a beer?

+ we'll give you a deadly weapon to kill others but only at our behest...the beer? You'll get it with the age old wink & nod like in the movies.

[Thread]

I'd be willing to do a government buy back on all my AR15s if I was offered $10,000 per rifle. I have other semi-auto rifles chambered in .223 that use the same magazines and have the same rate of fire but they don't look scary so I'm fine just using those and getting a check from the government for $100,000+. If the government won't offer $10,000 per AR15 individual democrats should start a giant go fund me that pays out $10,000 per AR15 turned in. Time to step up and get the scary looking guns off the street.

You're dreamin'. If it got down to that, it'd be pennies on the dollar, and that would be grievously grudged on the spot and in the run up.

[TSA]

Nah. Just ban the manufacture and sale of new ones, the secondary market price will skyrocket and you can make that money from collectors without adding $50B to government spending.That still leaves 20 million or so AR15s in circulation. I thought you wanted to remove these guns from the streets? We are spending 50B on a war in another country why are you so reluctant to spend it here to curb school shootings?

[Th'Pusher]

:lol You've spent hours and dozens of posts in other threads arguing against the merits of various gun control ideas and now you want people to believe you're actually a 2A abolitionist.

And you want people to argue with you in good faith on the idea that Republicans will align with Democrats on an outright gun ban despite opposing every previous effort related to gun control.

This is why no one is taking this seriously. You're full of shit and it's not worth the time.

The problem isn’t the 2A, the problem is Heller when it comes to an outright ban, not that anyone other than the disingenuous op is actually proposing an outright ban.

An outright ban isn’t necessary imo. Just ban the semi-autos. All semi-autos long, short.

Queue the gun/2A cultists.

[Thread]

That still leaves 20 million or so AR15s in circulation. I thought you wanted to remove these guns from the streets? We are spending 50B on a war in another country why are you so reluctant to spend it here to curb school shootings?

...you'd have to end up going door-to-door to get the 20 million AR15's. Nobody wants to get shot, except in the movies.

[Spurminator]

That still leaves 20 million or so AR15s in circulation. I thought you wanted to remove these guns from the streets? We are spending 50B on a war in another country why are you so reluctant to spend it here to curb school shootings?

I've never said we need to remove them from the streets. I want to make them harder to get. Cutting off supply drives up the price and limits access. Collector's items are much less likely to be used in a random school shooting.

I'll still make fun of the collectors though. :lol Ten AR-15s.

[spurraider21]

I've never said we need to remove them from the streets. I want to make them harder to get. Cutting off supply drives up the price and limits access. Collector's items are much less likely to be used in a random school shooting.

I'll still make fun of the collectors though. :lol Ten AR-15s.
what if you are fighting tyranny and the first 9 jam?

checkmate, liberal

[boutons_deux]

$10000 buyback is way too much for a new AR-15 costing $1,500

Any buyback must preceded by a complete ban so the buyback money can't be used to buy a new AR-15

All by back AR-15s are to be destroyed

[TSA]

I've never said we need to remove them from the streets. I want to make them harder to get. Cutting off supply drives up the price and limits access. Collector's items are much less likely to be used in a random school shooting.

I'll still make fun of the collectors though. :lol Ten AR-15s.

Let's say all production on AR15s was stopped today. There are 20 million still in circulation.

How many years do you think it will take before AR15s are not used as often in school shootings?

At what price point will school shooters stop trying to obtain them?

How long after production is halted to get to the price point where school shooters feel they are too expensive?

Do you believe there would be a dramatic drop in school shootings if there were no more AR15s to buy?

[SpursforSix]

Let's say all production on AR15s was stopped today. There are 20 million still in circulation.

How many years do you think it will take before AR15s are not used as often in school shootings?

At what price point will school shooters stop trying to obtain them?

How long after production is halted to get to the price point where school shooters feel they are too expensive?

Do you believe there would be a dramatic drop in school shootings if there were no more AR15s to buy?

I'm still shocked that everyone of these shootings is with an AR-15. My guess is that if you combine all the other types of semi-auto "military" weapons, there's almost as many of them as ARs. Even with the non military style semis, you can buy a 30 round magazine.

[Blake]

That still leaves 20 million or so AR15s in circulation. I thought you wanted to remove these guns from the streets? We are spending 50B on a war in another country why are you so reluctant to spend it here to curb school shootings?

It's not an all or nothing proposition. Why do you guys keep insisting that it is?

[Blake]

Let's say all production on AR15s was stopped today. There are 20 million still in circulation.

How many years do you think it will take before AR15s are not used as often in school shootings?

At what price point will school shooters stop trying to obtain them?

How long after production is halted to get to the price point where school shooters feel they are too expensive?

Do you believe there would be a dramatic drop in school shootings if there were no more AR15s to buy?

Since it's not a problem in your timeline, who cares, right?

[Blake]

Tsa diving right into all the alt right gun nut talking points without skipping a beat

[CosmicCowboy]

I don’t disagree with you. I’m just saying what I think the Republican pushback will be. We saw it in the other thread with people like CC who basically just threw up his hands and said nothing could be done and that these things aren’t realistic.

You might get red flag stuff, maybe more intense background checks, but you are never going to get a complete ban because there are 90 million law abiding gun owners that vote.

[BD24]

You might get red flag stuff, maybe more intense background checks, but you are never going to get a complete ban because there are 90 million law abiding gun owners that vote.
Ef and I weren’t discussing an outright ban(although I am for that personally, yes I know it will never happen in the US). We were discussing increasing the age to buy to 21…I was stating Republicans like you would be against it…and gave your talking points. Tell me if I’m wrong though

[TSA]

It's not an all or nothing proposition. Why do you guys keep insisting that it is?

What part is all or nothing?

[TSA]

Since it's not a problem in your timeline, who cares, right?

When did I say it's not a problem?

[TSA]

Tsa diving right into all the alt right gun nut talking points without skipping a beat

They are honest questions to Spurms proposal.

[CosmicCowboy]

Ef and I weren’t discussing an outright ban(although I am for that personally, yes I know it will never happen in the US). We were discussing increasing the age to buy to 21…I was stating Republicans like you would be against it…and gave your talking points. Tell me if I’m wrong though

I'm ok with a 21 age limit. Get past those teen hormone years.

[TSA]

Ef and I weren’t discussing an outright ban(although I am for that personally, yes I know it will never happen in the US). We were discussing increasing the age to buy to 21…I was stating Republicans like you would be against it…and gave your talking points. Tell me if I’m wrong though

I fully support raising the age to purchase a long gun to 21.

Edit: I fully support raising the age to purchase a semi-auto rifle to 21. Shotguns I'm fine with 18 years old.

[BD24]

I'm ok with a 21 age limit. Get past those teen hormone years.
Unfortunately I don’t think most republicans agree with you. Hopefully I’m wrong though.

[BD24]

I fully support raising the age to purchase a long gun to 21.
I would prefer 21 to buy any and all guns. But, this would be a start at least. Baby steps

[CosmicCowboy]

And to be clear, only 2% of gun deaths in the US are attributed to military style guns, but obviously the school shootings get the publicity because of how abhorrent they are. Double stack handguns could be used just as effectively in school shootings if all the AR's were confiscated.

[TSA]

I would prefer 21 to buy any and all guns. But, this would be a start at least. Baby steps

It's already 21 to buy a handgun. What other guns are you talking about?

[BD24]

It's already 21 to buy a handgun. What other guns are you talking about?
I’m not as familiar with gun terms as you obviously. But where do shotguns fall in this discussion? Long guns as well? If so cool.

I was keeping it simple on my end and saying all guns tbh

[Spurminator]

Let's say all production on AR15s was stopped today. There are 20 million still in circulation.

How many years do you think it will take before AR15s are not used as often in school shootings?

At what price point will school shooters stop trying to obtain them?

How long after production is halted to get to the price point where school shooters feel they are too expensive?

Do you believe there would be a dramatic drop in school shootings if there were no more AR15s to buy?

Prices could easily approach $10,000 in the immediate aftermath of an AR-15 production ban. It's supply/demand compounded by emotional relevance. Gun nuts will freak out and buy as many as they can. Most buyers will be people who already own an AR-15 or multiple. They'll pay cash because they can't finance them anymore.

Even if they only go to half that price, the cost increase combined with the loss of financing fundamentally reduces the pool of would-be school shooters. They'll find other ways to kill their classmates or elementary schoolers, probably, but the body count will be lower and police will hopefully be less hesitant to engage. I do think it will have a substantial and immediate impact on deaths.

Add on a voluntary buyback if you like, I certainly wouldn't oppose it on principle. But not for $10,000 each.

[spurraider21]

And to be clear, only 2% of gun deaths in the US are attributed to military style guns, but obviously the school shootings get the publicity because of how abhorrent they are. Double stack handguns could be used just as effectively in school shootings if all the AR's were confiscated.
feel like mass shootings are a separate and distinct issue from typical homicides imho

[TSA]

I’m not as familiar with gun terms as you obviously. But where do shotguns fall in this discussion? Long guns as well? If so cool.

I was keeping it simple on my end and saying all guns tbh

Shotguns fall under the long gun category. I edited my above comment to say I was okay with shotguns staying at 18 years old age minimum.

I am okay and support semi-auto long gun age being raised to 21.

[Blake]

They are honest questions to Spurms proposal.

From the NRA funneled thru the politicians funneled thru the alt right talking heads funneled thru you. They're easily answered with any basic logic

[TSA]

Prices could easily approach $10,000 in the immediate aftermath of an AR-15 production ban. It's supply/demand compounded by emotional relevance. Gun nuts will freak out and buy as many as they can. Most buyers will be people who already own an AR-15 or multiple. They'll pay cash because they can't finance them anymore.

Even if they only go to half that price, the cost increase combined with the loss of financing fundamentally reduces the pool of would-be school shooters. They'll find other ways to kill their classmates or elementary schoolers, probably, but the body count will be lower and police will hopefully be less hesitant to engage. I do think it will have a substantial and immediate impact on deaths.

Add on a voluntary buyback if you like, I certainly wouldn't oppose it on principle. But not for $10,000 each.

How would removing a particular style of a semi-auto rifle reduce the pool of would-be school shooters? School shooters would just move on to another semi-auto rifle...and there are plenty to choose from.

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Same capacity, same rate of fire, more powerful ammo.

Companies that previously made AR15s will just start making non-AR15 semi auto rifles for cheap.

Your plan wouldn't do much to reduce school shootings, but I'm not claiming to have one that works either. I think the focus needs to be less on what gun was used and more on why they are happening more frequently. What the fuck is wrong with the 15-19 year old boys that are deciding to carry these shootings out? I believe it has a lot to do with these fucked up loners excessive use of the internet and social media. It's the only difference I see from when I was their age 25 years ago. If internet/social media is the problem I don't have an answer for that either other than parents actually parenting and not letting their children fester online 24/7.

[TSA]

From the NRA funneled thru the politicians funneled thru the alt right talking heads funneled thru you. They're easily answered with any basic logicIf they are so easy then answer them.

Let's say all production on AR15s was stopped today. There are 20 million still in circulation.

How many years do you think it will take before AR15s are not used as often in school shootings?

At what price point will school shooters stop trying to obtain them?

How long after production is halted to get to the price point where school shooters feel they are too expensive?

Do you believe there would be a dramatic drop in school shootings if there were no more AR15s to buy?

[Thread]

If they are so easy then answer them.

Let's say all production on AR15s was stopped today. There are 20 million still in circulation.

How many years do you think it will take before AR15s are not used as often in school shootings?

At what price point will school shooters stop trying to obtain them?

How long after production is halted to get to the price point where school shooters feel they are too expensive?

Do you believe there would be a dramatic drop in school shootings if there were no more AR15s to buy?

How long before Adelmann stops waking in the black of night and watching Horry can that fucker at Staples?

[Spurminator]

How would removing a particular style of a semi-auto rifle reduce the pool of would-be school shooters? School shooters would just move on to another semi-auto rifle...and there are plenty to choose from.

https://d7g7q7y3.stackpathcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/MA9102-1024x224.png



It's a starting point targeting the favorite semi-auto of school shooters, and also the specific topic of conversation we're having. But hey, ban these too. You didn't ask me for my complete list of bans or gun control measures.

One of my general standards for whether civilians should be able to easily purchase a weapon is as follows:

Are police officers going to avoid engaging with an active shooter carrying this weapon?

If the answer is yes, that weapon should be very difficult and expensive to come by, and we should not be making new ones.

[Blake]

If they are so easy then answer them.

Let's say all production on AR15s was stopped today. There are 20 million still in circulation.

How many years do you think it will take before AR15s are not used as often in school shootings?

Immediately less often.


At what price point will school shooters stop trying to obtain them?

How long after production is halted to get to the price point where school shooters feel they are too expensive?

Moot question. Not relevant to legislation.


Do you believe there would be a dramatic drop in school shootings if there were no more AR15s to buy?

Why does it have to be dramatic?

[TSA]

It's a starting point targeting the favorite semi-auto of school shooters, and also the specific topic of conversation we're having. But hey, ban these too. You didn't ask me for my complete list of bans or gun control measures.

Generally my standard for whether civilians should be able to easily purchase a weapon is as follows:

Are police officers going to avoid engaging with an active shooter carrying this weapon? If the answer is yes, that weapon should be very difficult and expensive to come by, and we should not be making new ones.

The AR15 is the most popular semi-auto rifle around right now so it's not a surprise school shooters choose it. You can completely eliminate them and another semi-auto will take their place. It's a stupid starting point IMO.

Your standard for whether civilians should be able to easily purchase a weapon basically comes down to eliminate all semi-auto long guns and hand guns. Why not just say that is what you want from the start?

[TSA]

Immediately less often.Doesn't mean the frequency of school shootings stops because plenty of other semi-auto rifles available




Moot question. Not relevant to legislation.Directly relevant to Spurminator's comments. Don't jump in the middle of a conversation if you don't want to converse.




Why does it have to be dramatic?It doesn't have to be dramatic. Do you believe there would be a drop in school shootings if a semi-auto rifle that looked a certain way was banned but semi-auto rifles that looked different yet performed the exact same were not banned?

[Spurminator]

The AR15 is the most popular semi-auto rifle around right now so it's not a surprise school shooters choose it. You can completely eliminate them and another semi-auto will take their place. It's a stupid starting point IMO.

Your standard for whether civilians should be able to easily purchase a weapon basically comes down to eliminate all semi-auto long guns and hand guns. Why not just say that is what you want from the start?

Because you were talking about AR15s when I first responded, and your questions were specific to AR15s.


I'd be willing to do a government buy back on all my AR15s if I was offered $10,000 per rifle. I have other semi-auto rifles chambered in .223 that use the same magazines and have the same rate of fire but they don't look scary so I'm fine just using those and getting a check from the government for $100,000+. If the government won't offer $10,000 per AR15 individual democrats should start a giant go fund me that pays out $10,000 per AR15 turned in. Time to step up and get the scary looking guns off the street.


Nah. Just ban the manufacture and sale of new ones, the secondary market price will skyrocket and you can make that money from collectors without adding $50B to government spending.


That still leaves 20 million or so AR15s in circulation. I thought you wanted to remove these guns from the streets? We are spending 50B on a war in another country why are you so reluctant to spend it here to curb school shootings?


Let's say all production on AR15s was stopped today. There are 20 million still in circulation.

How many years do you think it will take before AR15s are not used as often in school shootings?

At what price point will school shooters stop trying to obtain them?

How long after production is halted to get to the price point where school shooters feel they are too expensive?

Do you believe there would be a dramatic drop in school shootings if there were no more AR15s to buy?

[Spurminator]

And I disagree that cops are just as unlikely to engage with an active shooter carrying a handgun.

[Th'Pusher]

The AR15 is the most popular semi-auto rifle around right now so it's not a surprise school shooters choose it. You can completely eliminate them and another semi-auto will take their place. It's a stupid starting point IMO.

Your standard for whether civilians should be able to easily purchase a weapon basically comes down to eliminate all semi-auto long guns and hand guns. Why not just say that is what you want from the start?

I did. And I don’t think Heller is an obstacle here.

[boutons_deux]

Any Infringement of unrestricted gun rights will be overruled by the Supreme Court

[Spurminator]

Gun owners will laud the AR-15 and brag about how many they own and then in the same breath they'll tell you it's no different than any other semi-auto.

Why is it so popular then, if it's no different? Educate me. Is it just because it looks cooler? Because even if that's all it is, that's reason enough for me to target them first.

It's not like there's no legislative precedent for banning certain versions of destructive items based on superficial reasons. We're banning menthol cigarettes in 2022. Is that going to substantially cut smoking related health issues?

Probably some Columbine wannabes are going to find shooting up a school with an M1A less kickass than using an AR-15 and that alone might save lives. And if it works just as well for hog hunting or whatever you might use them for if you ever take them out of the safe, seems like you lose nothing.

But my guess is there are substantial differences that gun owners don't like to talk about in the context of a gun control debate.

[Thread]

Any Infringement of unrestricted gun rights will be overruled by the Supreme Court

...As it should be.

But until that moment...---NOW---...double your arms stockpile, double your ammunition cache. &&& learn how to build your own ammunition.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's a starting point targeting the favorite semi-auto of school shooters, and also the specific topic of conversation we're having. But hey, ban these too. You didn't ask me for my complete list of bans or gun control measures.

One of my general standards for whether civilians should be able to easily purchase a weapon is as follows:

Are police officers going to avoid engaging with an active shooter carrying this weapon?

If the answer is yes, that weapon should be very difficult and expensive to come by, and we should not be making new ones.

I have very accurate bolt action rifles that I guarantee would be more deadly to law enforcement even from hundreds of yards away than an AR15 were I inclined to use them for that.

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYpqm3rzAAs&feature=emb_logo

[Spurminator]

I have very accurate bolt action rifles that I guarantee would be more deadly to law enforcement even from hundreds of yards away than an AR15 were I inclined to use them for that.

Are shooters just as likely to kill the same number of people and just as unlikely to be confronted by police if they're using a bolt action rifle? Why or why not?

[Thread]

Key GOP senators signal that raising age to buy semi-automatic weapons is off the table
By Manu Raju (https://www.cnn.com/profiles/manu-raju), Lauren Fox (https://www.cnn.com/profiles/lauren-fox) and Ted Barrett (https://www.cnn.com/profiles/ted-barrett), CNN

Updated 7:53 PM ET, Mon June 6, 2022

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Solly Cholly!!!

[Ef-man]

I'm ok with a 21 age limit. Get past those teen hormone years.

Yup.


Manchin wants to raise age to 21 for gun purchases, doesn't see need for AR-15s.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/politics/manchin-gun-purchase-age-ar15sl (https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/politics/manchin-gun-purchase-age-ar15s/index.html)

[Dirks_Finale]

Any Infringement of unrestricted gun rights will be overruled by the Supreme Court

Correct.

However, let's go ahead and ban them all - and then watch them flood in through the Democrat's open southern border.

[spurraider21]

The AR15 is the most popular semi-auto rifle around right now so it's not a surprise school shooters choose it. You can completely eliminate them and another semi-auto will take their place. It's a stupid starting point IMO.

Your standard for whether civilians should be able to easily purchase a weapon basically comes down to eliminate all semi-auto long guns and hand guns. Why not just say that is what you want from the start?
ok then you write the legislation so its not just the AR15 but any other semi auto that fits particular specs, whether you want to look at rate of fire, capacity, or other characteristics

[spurraider21]

Are shooters just as likely to kill the same number of people and just as unlikely to be confronted by police if they're using a bolt action rifle? Why or why not?
of course they are. they'll just quickscope like call of duty gamers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgNXBYRRST4

[pgardn]

I have very accurate bolt action rifles that I guarantee would be more deadly to law enforcement even from hundreds of yards away than an AR15 were I inclined to use them for that.

this is a different situation than Uvalde.
At range and probably behind some defensive barrier with more precision aiming at targets

[Th'Pusher]

this is a different situation than Uvalde.
At range and probably behind some defensive barrier with more precision aiming at targets

The reality is you don’t need a long gun to pull off Uvalde. You don’t need the accuracy and it’s more difficult to conceal. Unless you’re going for shock and awe (military style) or just trying to look badass. Both possibilities and would justify a ban based on appearance.

Still think a ban on all semi autos is the way to go, but this would be a good first step.

[MultiTroll]

...As it should be.

But until that moment...---NOW---...double your arms stockpile, double your ammunition cache. &&& learn how to build your own ammunition.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Gj2InG6dHBU/hqdefault.jpg

[pgardn]

The reality is you don’t need a long gun to pull off Uvalde. You don’t need the accuracy and it’s more difficult to conceal. Unless you’re going for shock and awe (military style) or just trying to look badass. Both possibilities and would justify a ban based on appearance.

Still think a ban on all semi autos is the way to go, but this would be a good first step.

I think the shock and awe thing also kept the cops away and pinned other classrooms in place.
I can see how a long gun could be a disadvantage possibly in tight quarters.
But to say you could have accomplished this just as easily with a knife or a car is just ridiculous.

[CosmicCowboy]

I think the shock and awe thing also kept the cops away and pinned other classrooms in place.
I can see how a long gun could be a disadvantage possibly in tight quarters.
But to say you could have accomplished this just as easily with a knife or a car is just ridiculous.

He could just have easily accomplished with a Glock 22 or other double stack hand guns . Evil will find a way to be evil.

[Th'Pusher]

He could just have easily accomplished with a Glock 22 or other double stack hand guns . Evil will find a way to be evil.

I think that’s true. Which is why the ban needs to cover all semi autos. They’re fun toys and not needed for self defense.

[pgardn]

He could just have easily accomplished with a Glock 22 or other double stack hand guns . Evil will find a way to be evil.

A ton of rounds and relatively quickly.
Those kids and teachers were destroyed. they could not identify a number of them.
He seemingly went around and redid the deed over and over to make sure it was complete.

Im not sure how many kids would have been saved if the authorities actually went in sooner.
We have not been given much of a timeline and a complete description of where people who could have done something were doing or discussing yet.
Many involved have shut up. The FBI is essential in getting this straightened out for those parents, because Uvalde Texas cannot.

[DMC]

:lol You've spent hours and dozens of posts in other threads arguing against the merits of various gun control ideas and now you want people to believe you're actually a 2A abolitionist.

And you want people to argue with you in good faith on the idea that Republicans will align with Democrats on an outright gun ban despite opposing every previous effort related to gun control.

This is why no one is taking this seriously. You're full of shit and it's not worth the time.
I've said the "various gun control ideas" don't work because they are A) uninformed and B) too weak to matter.

I don't want anyone to argue with me. I want you pussies to get to crackin' on effective gun control. Chop chop.

Of course no one is taking it seriously. The alternative is that you admit you're powerless to effect change, and not just as a single voter but as an entire party. That must be a hard pill to swallow.

[DMC]

I think the shock and awe thing also kept the cops away and pinned other classrooms in place.
I can see how a long gun could be a disadvantage possibly in tight quarters.
But to say you could have accomplished this just as easily with a knife or a car is just ridiculous.

This is you ignoring the fact that the left will do nothing about it but you'll keep voting for the same folks regardless. You prefer to create false narrative and then chase that through the threads.

Who said car?

[DMC]

Are shooters just as likely to kill the same number of people and just as unlikely to be confronted by police if they're using a bolt action rifle? Why or why not?

They aren't as likely to use one because they are anamored by the AR platform. The bolt action is so hunterish. The Texas Tower shooter used a 700 bolt action.

[Th'Pusher]

I've said the "various gun control ideas" don't work because they are A) uninformed and B) too weak to matter.

I don't want anyone to argue with me. I want you pussies to get to crackin' on effective gun control. Chop chop.

Of course no one is taking it seriously. The alternative is that you admit you're powerless to effect change, and not just as a single voter but as an entire party. That must be a hard pill to swallow.

The silver lining is that the hurdles to effect change are political and not legal.

[DMC]

Gun owners will laud the AR-15 and brag about how many they own and then in the same breath they'll tell you it's no different than any other semi-auto.

It's no different than any other semiauto that will accept magazines of the same caliber as far as killing effectiveness. The difference is in the picatinny rail (or Weaver rail) system that allows attachments, the easy assembly and disassembly, the customizability, How it accepts M-lok attachments like slings and how durable it is. However most are heavy fuckers, and you need to spend an inordinate amount of money to skeleton one out without removing it's effectiveness. What other platform allows you to put on an EOTech for CQB or a 3x9 for 400 meter shots, add a pad operated light, a suppressor, collapsing stock, bipod and have a receiver stamped with custom symbols? Basically they are cool, but cool to a hobbyist vs cool to a kid with no gun discipline or respect for human life is two different things. Kids don't want to use a semiauto hunting rifle (most hunters don't either). However, as far as KE down range and effectiveness and accuracy, the other platforms are likely more accurate (leaving out custom builds for accuracy with tricked out triggers and BCGs)



Why is it so popular then, if it's no different? Educate me. Is it just because it looks cooler? Because even if that's all it is, that's reason enough for me to target them first.

It's not like there's no legislative precedent for banning certain versions of destructive items based on superficial reasons. We're banning menthol cigarettes in 2022. Is that going to substantially cut smoking related health issues?

Probably some Columbine wannabes are going to find shooting up a school with an M1A less kickass than using an AR-15 and that alone might save lives. And if it works just as well for hog hunting or whatever you might use them for if you ever take them out of the safe, seems like you lose nothing.

But my guess is there are substantial differences that gun owners don't like to talk about in the context of a gun control debate.

There are not substantial differences. Before all the "they gonna take ur gunz" hype from the left, you could get an AR at Academy for about 650 dollars. Now you need about 1400 to even sniff a decent one, and you can spend well over 3500 to build one with hand picked parts.

[Th'Pusher]

It's no different than any other semiauto that will accept magazines of the same caliber as far as killing effectiveness. The difference is in the picatinny rail (or Weaver rail) system that allows attachments, the easy assembly and disassembly, the customizability, How it accepts M-lok attachments like slings and how durable it is. However most are heavy fuckers, and you need to spend an inordinate amount of money to skeleton one out without removing it's effectiveness. What other platform allows you to put on an EOTech for CQB or a 3x9 for 400 meter shots, add a pad operated light, a suppressor, collapsing stock, bipod and have a receiver stamped with custom symbols? Basically they are cool, but cool to a hobbyist vs cool to a kid with no gun discipline or respect for human life is two different things. Kids don't want to use a semiauto hunting rifle (most hunters don't either). However, as far as KE down range and effectiveness and accuracy, the other platforms are likely more accurate (leaving out custom builds for accuracy with tricked out triggers and BCGs)


There are not substantial differences. Before all the "they gonna take ur gunz" hype from the left, you could get an AR at Academy for about 650 dollars. Now you need about 1400 to even sniff a decent one, and you can spend well over 3500 to build one with hand picked parts.

:tu the left drivin up the price in the absence of regulation!

[DMC]

The silver lining is that the hurdles to effect change are political and not legal.

Doesn't sound silver to me. The politicians who serve the group that would change laws aren't going to do anything about it, because they are all sucking the same teat. You have states run completely by liberals who have more gun related murders per capita than states run completely by republicans, because their laws are ineffective "for show" laws. Everyone has a gun, but it's "super hard" to get one. Sure it is.

[DMC]

:tu the left drivin up the price in the absence of regulation!

It's fear that drives the price for the gun owner, because it drives urgency to get in now, before the ban. Laws have historically not affected already manufactured items that have been sold to consumers (bump stock bans are rare in that case). Anyone is free to deny or scoff at it, meanwhile the machine keeps churning out more guns to more people afraid they won't have one if shit his the fan. (like someone here said, even SR21 was going to buy one)

[Th'Pusher]

Doesn't sound silver to me. The politicians who serve the group that would change laws aren't going to do anything about it, because they are all sucking the same teat. You have states run completely by liberals who have more gun related murders per capita than states run completely by republicans, because their laws are ineffective "for show" laws. Everyone has a gun, but it's "super hard" to get one. Sure it is.

It would be much more challenging if it were enshrined in law (or god forbid the constitution) the right to own a semi auto. It’ll take time, but eventually you 2A gun cultists will die off.

We leftists are playing the long game

[Th'Pusher]

It's fear that drives the price for the gun owner, because it drives urgency to get in now, before the ban. Laws have historically not affected already manufactured items that have been sold to consumers (bump stock bans are rare in that case). Anyone is free to deny or scoff at it, meanwhile the machine keeps churning out more guns to more people afraid they won't have one if shit his the fan. (like someone here said, even SR21 was going to buy one)

The guns are mostly being sold to the same cultists. Whether you own one or ten makes no difference.

SR21 would buy a 38 special and that’s all he needs tbh.

[DMC]

It would be much more challenging if it were enshrined in law (or god forbid the constitution) the right to own a semi auto. It’ll take time, but eventually you 2A gun cultists will die off.

We leftists are playing the long game

Eventually :lol

So you don't trust your party to make effective changes and instead rely on evolution.

[DMC]

The guns are mostly being sold to the same cultists. Whether you own one or ten makes no difference.

SR21 would by a 38 special and that’s all he needs tbh.

Needs :lol

You're hanging yourself now. Now someone needs a gun.

[Th'Pusher]

Eventually :lol

So you don't trust your party to make effective changes and instead rely on evolution.

It’s a well funded machine and god knows we worship the almighty dollar.

I largely agree with your analysis on placebo legislation but completely disagree with your all or nothing approach. Semi autos are the goal, but you’ve got to start solving the problem somewhere. Start with the AR15, then the semi auto rifle, move onto the semi auto handgun.

Slowly strip you of your “rights”. Btw - who grants those rights and who enforces those rights?

[Th'Pusher]

Needs :lol

You're hanging yourself now. Now someone needs a gun.

Not a need but a personal decision and that is enshrined in law. If SR21 thinks he needs one…

[SnakeBoy]

SR21 would buy a 38 special and that’s all he needs tbh.

Will that blow the lungs right out of the body or will it stick in the lung?

[Th'Pusher]

Will that blow the lungs right out of the body or will it stick in the lung?

It’ll stick you fuckin nube. Sit in the corner while the adults are talking about the technicalities of guns.

[SnakeBoy]

It’ll stick you fuckin nube. Sit in the corner while the adults are talking about the technicalities of guns.

Oh that's a good gun then. Not a battlefield weapon like them 9mm ones. They blow the lung right out of the body.

[SnakeBoy]

SR21 if you get a 38 special remember the trick to shooting them is to hold on loosely but don't let go

[CosmicCowboy]

I was around the first time they were talking about banning "assault rifles". A friend and I with the help of the US government built and sold about 30 AR15s. After Vietnam the US government destroyed hundreds of thousands of them by cutting the lower receiver (the registered part of the gun with the serial number) and sold everything else as scrap. (upper receiver, including bolt, barrel, stock etc. ) we could buy an aftermarket lower receiver for $80 and a complete puts kit of US surplus parts for $120. Then spend 20 minutes assembling them and immediately sell them for $700. Funny thing was those surplus kits still had the "full auto" bolt and all you had to do to convert them to full auto was add an auto sear that you could buy for $20 if you wanted to. Anyway, we made several thousand dollars of easy money because of the scare.

[CosmicCowboy]

The assault rifles ban was pretty much a joke. It described details like pistol grip, barrel shroud, threaded barrel, etc. The importers just switched from AKs to SKSs with magazine conversions that effectively did the exact same thing without meeting the assault rifles description.

[koriwhat]

Repugs said they will block any attempt at gun control.

And rightfully so... Btw your tagline is dumb as fuck just like you Bouts.

[ChumpDumper]

The assault rifles ban was pretty much a joke. It described details like pistol grip, barrel shroud, threaded barrel, etc. The importers just switched from AKs to SKSs with magazine conversions that effectively did the exact same thing without meeting the assault rifles description.

So why did he number of mass gun killings go down during the ban then up after?

[CosmicCowboy]

So why did he number of mass gun killings go down during the ban then up after?

did they? Your claim.

[ChumpDumper]

did they? Your claim.

A 2019 study out of New York University’s School of Medicine found that mass shooting deaths involving assault weapons fell slightly in the decade of the federal assault weapon ban, and then rose dramatically in the decade that followed....

In a 2004 study commissioned by the U.S. Justice Department, researcher Christopher Koper wrote, "The ban’s exemption of millions of pre-ban assault weapons and large capacity magazines ensured that the effects of the law would occur only gradually."

....The point was the 1994 law was hardly an on-off switch for these firearms and magazines. As long as that hardware remained in circulation, people who wanted to use these weapons in a mass shooting would have some opportunity to acquire them....

....In raw numbers, they found that mass shooting deaths fell during the years of the ban, and rose afterwards. DiMaggio shared his data. Deaths more than tripled in the decade after the ban ended.

The decline of 15 deaths between the decade before the ban and the decade during it is modest, but there is a clear and dramatic rise after the ban expired.

The death toll from mass shootings went from an average of 4.8 per year during the ban years to an average of 23.8 per year in the decade afterwards....

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/01/fact-check-did-mass-shootings-triple-after-assault-weapon-ban-ended/9941501002/

Feel free to post your numbers, but perhaps it was just a little more difficult for non-gun nut potential murderers to get those kinds of guns during the ban. It sure was easier afterwards when the numbers mysteriously tripled.

But it was probably that rap music and Grand Theft Auto.

[CosmicCowboy]

The decline of 15 deaths between the decade before the ban and the decade during it is modest, but there is a clear and dramatic rise after the ban expired.

So they took two ten year periods before ban/after ban and the difference was 15 deaths? Is that really statistically significant? Even if it was, the casual cause/effect is simply inferred with no way to prove if it was or wasn't the difference.

[ChumpDumper]

So they took two ten year periods before ban/after ban and the difference was 15 deaths? Is that really statistically significant? Even if it was, the casual cause/effect is simply inferred with no way to prove if it was or wasn't the difference.:lol did you read anything I posted? I'll repeat for you:

In a 2004 study commissioned by the U.S. Justice Department, researcher Christopher Koper wrote, "The ban’s exemption of millions of pre-ban assault weapons and large capacity magazines ensured that the effects of the law would occur only gradually."

....The point was the 1994 law was hardly an on-off switch for these firearms and magazines. As long as that hardware remained in circulation, people who wanted to use these weapons in a mass shooting would have some opportunity to acquire them....


perhaps it was just a little more difficult for non-gun nut potential murderers to get those kinds of guns during the ban.

Why did the shootings triple after the ban was ended?

Let's have your opinion.

[ChumpDumper]

I mean your argument here is "Maybe something was starting to work in the past, so let's definitely never try anything like it again!"

[CosmicCowboy]

:lol did you read anything I posted? I'll repeat for you:

In a 2004 study commissioned by the U.S. Justice Department, researcher Christopher Koper wrote, "The ban’s exemption of millions of pre-ban assault weapons and large capacity magazines ensured that the effects of the law would occur only gradually."

....The point was the 1994 law was hardly an on-off switch for these firearms and magazines. As long as that hardware remained in circulation, people who wanted to use these weapons in a mass shooting would have some opportunity to acquire them....



Why did the shootings triple after the ban was ended?

Let's have your opinion.

You always shit on my opinion but I think these mentally disturbed males do it as a (and I agree it's irrational) means of being "famous" since they have somehow come to the decision that their lives are hopeless and taking down a school, etc. will allow them to suicide by cop while being front page news. I have always advocated not publishing the shooters name and just call them a "mentally disturbed individual".

[ChumpDumper]

You always shit on my opinion but I think these mentally disturbed males do it as a (and I agree it's irrational) means of being "famous" since they have somehow come to the decision that their lives are hopeless and taking down a school, etc. will allow them to suicide by cop while being front page news. I have always advocated not publishing the shooters name and just call them a "mentally disturbed individual".That doesn't really explain the tripling of shootings after the end of the ban.

Cable news and USA Today had already been around for over two decades by the end of the ban -- well established during the time of the modest decrease.

Why did the shootings increase that much after the ban ended?

[CosmicCowboy]

That doesn't really explain the tripling of shootings after the end of the ban.

Cable news and USA Today had already been around for over two decades -- well established during the time of the modest decrease.

Why did the shootings increase that much after the ban ended?

I think it's cascading copy cat events. There are a lot of sick shitheads out there.

[ChumpDumper]

I think it's cascading copy cat events. There are a lot of sick shitheads out there.What happened to keep the events from cascading during the ban?

[CosmicCowboy]

That doesn't really explain the tripling of shootings after the end of the ban.

Cable news and USA Today had already been around for over two decades by the end of the ban -- well established during the time of the modest decrease.

Why did the shootings increase that much after the ban ended?

You are asking my opinion? The assault weapon ban was from 1994 to 2004. there were no smart phones or social media in that time frame. If you want a cause and effect I think there is a case to be made that the mass shootings have increased at the same rate as the availability of social media.

[Dick Jones]

Hai guyz what the ar in ar15 mean? A salt rifle rite?

[CosmicCowboy]

Hai guyz what the ar in ar15 mean? A salt rifle rite?

AR was short for Armalite. The origonal design was by Armalite.

[Thread]

So far---so good.

Though I feel a trap, it's too good to be true. The RINO's could be playing possum, like rats, massing for a sneak attack.

I got my fingers, my toes & my eyes crossed for good luck.

[ChumpDumper]

You are asking my opinion? The assault weapon ban was from 1994 to 2004. there were no smart phones or social media in that time frame. If you want a cause and effect I think there is a case to be made that the mass shootings have increased at the same rate as the availability of social media.The easy availability of the guns had absolutely nothing to do with it?

It was just Myspace and Facebook?

At the same time there was absolutely no cause for the decrease the previous decade?

[CosmicCowboy]

The easy availability of the guns had absolutely nothing to do with it?

It was just Myspace and Facebook?

At the same time there was absolutely no cause for the decrease the previous decade?

The easy availability is a given, but that horse was already out of the barn with millions in circulation.

[ChumpDumper]

The easy availability is a given, but that horse was already out of the barn with millions in circulation.It was less of a given during the years of the ban.

When the number of shootings actually went down.

What could have possibly caused that?

[CosmicCowboy]

It was less of a given during the years of the ban.

When the number of shootings actually went down.

What could have possibly caused that?

You really just want to argue, don't you? Personally I think a 1.7 deaths per year difference is statistically insignificant.

[ChumpDumper]

You really just want to argue, don't you? Personally I think a 1.7 deaths per year difference is statistically insignificant.They certainly didn't go up during that time of media proliferation and Columbine.

If you want to say the ban did absolutely nothing, that's fine. The numbers disagree with you.

It certainly seems easier to try something that again than to ban young men from using smartphones. Would you agree with that?

[CosmicCowboy]

They certainly didn't go up during that time of media proliferation and Columbine.

If you want to say the ban did absolutely nothing, that's fine. The numbers disagree with you.

It certainly seems easier to try something that again than to ban young men from using smartphones. Would you agree with that?

What exactly are you trying to accomplish here? There isn't going to be a ban, period. They will probably pass some new Red Flag laws and maybe raise the age to 21 to buy a gun but that's all. You can flail away all you want but there isn't going to be a ban of AR-15's.

[ChumpDumper]

What exactly are you trying to accomplish here? There isn't going to be a ban, period. They will probably pass some new Red Flag laws and maybe raise the age to 21 to buy a gun but that's all. You can flail away all you want but there isn't going to be a ban of AR-15's.That wasn't my question.

Would it be easier to pass something like the 1994 law or to prevent young men from using all social media?

[CosmicCowboy]

That wasn't my question.

Would it be easier to pass something like the 1994 law or to prevent young men from using all social media?

Why present two unrealistic hypothetical scenarios at all? I accept the reality as it is, not as you might wish it would be.

[ChumpDumper]

Why present two unrealistic hypothetical scenarios at all? I accept the reality as it is, not as you might wish it would be.:lol Shit, women and blacks never would've gotten the vote with people like you around.

Why even think about making things better?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not sure where we got comfortable feeding children to Moloch. Facebook must've done it to us.

[Dick Jones]

AR was short for Armalite. The origonal design was by Armalite.
https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/c8f/601/3aa091f9a41ec205d13afad0a0514cb1a7-cage-meme.2x.w250.jpg

[Winehole23]

I'm not sure where we got comfortable feeding children to Moloch. Facebook must've done it to us.your kids dying for my freedom to carry whatever gun I want to is something we all just have to live with, because of the very small numbers, says CC. Uvalde was a tragedy, but it wasn't statistically significant.

[Winehole23]

(one kid died from metal tipped lawn darts -- they're still illegal)

[ChumpDumper]

(one kid died from metal tipped lawn darts -- they're still illegal)

I specifically use them as weapons. How can that possibly be infringed?

[CosmicCowboy]

your kids dying for my freedom to carry whatever gun I want to is something we all just have to live with, because of the very small numbers, says CC. Uvalde was a tragedy, but it wasn't statistically significant.

Nice goalpost move, Whinehole.

You guys can talk shit about me all you want but I am simply pointing out the political reality that should be obvious to any rational adult that follows current events. We may get some form of red flag action and possibly raising the age limit but that's it.

[Spurminator]

wHy aRe tHe dEmS sO iNeFfeCtiVe oN gUn coNtRoL?

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[spurraider21]

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[BD24]

You are asking my opinion? The assault weapon ban was from 1994 to 2004. there were no smart phones or social media in that time frame. If you want a cause and effect I think there is a case to be made that the mass shootings have increased at the same rate as the availability of social media.
Fine. Let’s accept your reasoning of social media caused the increase ( :lol ). Why didn’t other countries show similar increased shootings as well? They had the same access to social media as we did during this time frame.

[Thread]

wHy aRe tHe dEmS sO iNeFfeCtiVe oN gUn coNtRoL?

Because they never give, only take.

[Spurminator]

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[CosmicCowboy]

Fine. Let’s accept your reasoning of social media caused the increase ( :lol ). Why didn’t other countries show similar increased shootings as well? They had the same access to social media as we did during this time frame.

Its pretty self evident that social norms and general public attitudes are more permissive than in the "other countrys" you want to compare us to.

[ChumpDumper]

We have more mass shootings because American exceptionalism.

[Spurminator]

Its pretty self evident that social norms and general public attitudes are more permissive than in the "other countrys" you want to compare us to.

How so?

[Blake]

:lol Shit, women and blacks never would've gotten the vote with people like you around.

Why even think about making things better?

Why is it so hard for these guys to comprehend these simple concepts/questions. Or are they afraid to answer.

Smh

[BD24]

Its pretty self evident that social norms and general public attitudes are more permissive than in the "other countrys" you want to compare us to.
Are they though? You are throwing out pretty vague claims. Let’s look at somewhere like australia, Canada, or England…what are some specific differences. Because the main difference I seem to see between us and them is ease of access to guns tbh. I’m open to hearing about some of these attitudes and permissive stuff. Hell England even elected a buffoon to office just like us

[Spurminator]

It's no different than any other semiauto that will accept magazines of the same caliber as far as killing effectiveness. The difference is in the picatinny rail (or Weaver rail) system that allows attachments, the easy assembly and disassembly, the customizability, How it accepts M-lok attachments like slings and how durable it is. However most are heavy fuckers, and you need to spend an inordinate amount of money to skeleton one out without removing it's effectiveness. What other platform allows you to put on an EOTech for CQB or a 3x9 for 400 meter shots, add a pad operated light, a suppressor, collapsing stock, bipod and have a receiver stamped with custom symbols? Basically they are cool, but cool to a hobbyist vs cool to a kid with no gun discipline or respect for human life is two different things. Kids don't want to use a semiauto hunting rifle (most hunters don't either). However, as far as KE down range and effectiveness and accuracy, the other platforms are likely more accurate (leaving out custom builds for accuracy with tricked out triggers and BCGs)

Good enough for me. Ban 'em. :tu


There are not substantial differences. Before all the "they gonna take ur gunz" hype from the left, you could get an AR at Academy for about 650 dollars. Now you need about 1400 to even sniff a decent one, and you can spend well over 3500 to build one with hand picked parts.

Great!

[Blake]

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I would love to see the rest of the list if the legitimate reasons

[Blake]

Fine. Let’s accept your reasoning of social media caused the increase ( :lol ). Why didn’t other countries show similar increased shootings as well? They had the same access to social media as we did during this time frame.

Evil in America is different than evil in Europe

[DMC]

Any bans today or we still going back over whether or not guns are the issue? Seems like some intentional delaying here. Just say they are the issue and move forward. What's the holdup here?

Tick tock..

[Th'Pusher]

Any bans today or we still going back over whether or not guns are the issue? Seems like some intentional delaying here. Just say they are the issue and move forward. What's the holdup here?

Tick tock..

Guns are one of the primary issues. ST leftists are actively working on some legislation. We’re debating how many of your rights we should strip with our first pass as we understand we’re going to have to give a little in the negotiation.

Make sure and check in to this thread multiple times daily. We’ll keep you posted.

[Th'Pusher]

Oh man is it going to be sweet when we can come and take the whole enchilada.

You’re gonna be defending yourself with a musket once we’re done stripping those rights.

[Spurminator]

Oh man is it going to be sweet when we can come in and take the whole enchilada.

You’re gonna be defending yourself with a musket once we’re done stripping those rights.

He'll cooperate and then spend hours online acting like he didn't.

Did you get my notes on the proposal doc?

[spurraider21]

did you guys get the zoom invite? matthew mcconaughey, beto orourke, chuck schumer, and nancy pelosi are all on standby

[Ef-man]

did you guys get the zoom invite? matthew mcconaughey, beto orourke, chuck schumer, and nancy pelosi are all on standby

Am good, Bill Gates PM'd me via the tracker/wifi in the "vaccine."

[Spurminator]

Continues to be reenforced


they never fail to always get backed into a corner where all they're left with is "your gun control ideas haven't been implemented though lol."

[Th'Pusher]

Did you get my notes on the proposal doc?

Yeah. I think that approach is a little too conservative. I think we should come in strong “guns a blazing” if you know what I mean. Put them on their heels and they’ll be begging just to keep the long guns.

[Th'Pusher]

did you guys get the zoom invite? matthew mcconaughey, beto orourke, chuck schumer, and nancy pelosi are all on standby

So is that a no from Robert Downey Jr. that sucks, but we’ll make due.

[ElNono]

Love what NY has done. Had an incident, looked what were the weak points/loopholes and passed legislation to address it. That's how you build solid policy, iterate over time as new challenges emerge, instead of quitting with "nothing can be done"

[boutons_deux]

Added to easy access of guns is the cultural idea that if you have a problem with yourself or with other people the solution is to kill somebody



1/3 of Republican voters support political killing to obtain their objectives

[Th'Pusher]

Since RDJ is out, wondering if we can get Josh Brolin to be the face of our “are they really “rights” is you don’t have a federal government to enforce protection” propaganda campaign. Gotta work on the branding of that name. Im really skittish after we missed the mark on Defund the Police.

[Blake]

I was gonna suggest using Hawaii as a model but was told islands don't count unless they're poor

[SnakeBoy]

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[spurraider21]

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mulford act

[baseline bum]

mulford act

LOL when the NRA supported gun control and helped Reagan pass it because of scary negroes with rifles.

[Thread]

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Tell it, Snake.
Testify!!!

[ChumpDumper]

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:lol you shit yourself when this happened

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5ccc9543d93d4c0001f18899/1610750283591-W3XET0HBMY4477P84381/Black+Panthers+outside+of+the+capitol%2C+Grist.jpg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL when the NRA supported gun control and helped Reagan pass it because of scary negroes with rifles.

the NRA's first lobbying efforts were to ban automatic weapons.

[SnakeBoy]

:lol you shit yourself when this happened

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5ccc9543d93d4c0001f18899/1610750283591-W3XET0HBMY4477P84381/Black+Panthers+outside+of+the+capitol%2C+Grist.jpg

I only shit myself then because I was an infant

[Splits]

- lower the legal age to own a weapon to 12
- legalize fully auto
- legalize grenades
- subsidize guns for the poor and the young

If gun deaths go down, we're good. If they go up, we take the opposite steps.

[Blake]

- lower the legal age to own a weapon to 12
- legalize fully auto
- legalize grenades
- subsidize guns for the poor and the young

If gun deaths go down, we're good. If they go up, we take the opposite steps.

I mean, lower to at least 16. If someone can drive a van that can kill people then what's the difference

[Thread]

I mean, lower to at least 16. If someone can drive a van that can kill people then what's the difference

Look at this, will you...Blake & Splits sittin' in the fuckin' tree, and it's not even Friday.

Fuck me!!!

[Dick Jones]

I only shit myself
https://media.makeameme.org/created/so-you-admit-83ac4a391b.jpg

[pgardn]

did you guys get the zoom invite? matthew mcconaughey, beto orourke, chuck schumer, and nancy pelosi are all on standby

DMC

This above is mocking.
Every "lib" on this board... joined at the hip.

So you keep feeling good when Chris Christian gives you that :tu

[SnakeBoy]

https://i.imgur.com/tAjdfRh.jpeg

[Th'Pusher]

https://i.imgur.com/tAjdfRh.jpeg

All the more reason to ban them. Imagine if Jesus had a bunch of AR15s and stood up to his tyrannical government. Then he wouldn’t have been able to die for your perverted sins like taking it from dr boss so she can show her dominance.

[Blake]

https://i.imgur.com/tAjdfRh.jpeg

The jokes from the right are dumb.

[SnakeBoy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUwnH9gWUAgSslF?format=jpg&name=medium

[Splits]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUwnH9gWUAgSslF?format=jpg&name=medium

Makes sense if you use both to commit crimes.

jfc the right can't meme

[DMC]

The left

https://c.tenor.com/UADlbEI0xL0AAAAM/talking-yapping.gif

The clock

https://c.tenor.com/DIBZH5Yaz00AAAAC/tick-tock-clock.gif

Shaky and Blakey

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/422/737/470.gif

[Dick Jones]

I only shit myself
:lmao

[Blake]

DMC self triggering

[ChumpDumper]

I am all for gun control. In fact, I am for banning guns, doing away with 2A completely. How would you do it?

You know, since you clearly declared you want to ban all guns and do away with the 2A.

Chop-chop.

Don't start shaking. Just answer.

[SnakeBoy]

Don't start shaking.

5 weeks since my Literally Shaking™ comment and you're still obsessing over it, must've cut to the bone. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

5 weeks since my Literally Shaking™ comment and you're still obsessing over it, must've cut to the bone. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you.

The only one I see obsessing here is you.

[SnakeBoy]

The only one I see obsessing here is you.

You've been bouncing around threads quoting me all day. You're all worked up I says.

[Xevious]

the NRA's first lobbying efforts were to ban automatic weapons.
Every piece of gun control legislation has had the NRA's fingerprints all over it.

[ElNono]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUwnH9gWUAgSslF?format=jpg&name=medium

Another example of the right can't meme, smh

[DMC]

Another example of the right can't meme, smh

This is a scathing indictment, much worse than being unable to pass meaningful gun control legislation.

[Blake]

This is a scathing indictment, much worse than being unable to pass meaningful gun control legislation.

If it was directed at you, your feels would get scathed

[Spurminator]

Raising the age to purchase a semi-auto from 18 to 21 is "off the table" according to Republican Senators, presumably because they are waiting for a more aggressive gun ban from Democrats that they will totally go along with.

[Th'Pusher]

Raising the age to purchase a semi-auto from 18 to 21 is "off the table" according to Republican Senators, presumably because they are waiting for a more aggressive gun ban from Democrats that they will totally go along with.

Fucking Democrats are totally ineffective. And you’re complicit. You just keep voting for them.

[Blake]

Raising the age to purchase a semi-auto from 18 to 21 is "off the table" according to Republican Senators, presumably because they are waiting for a more aggressive gun ban from Democrats that they will totally go along with.

These do nuffin dems

[ChumpDumper]

5 weeks since my Literally Shaking™ comment and you're still obsessing over it, must've cut to the bone. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you.

Are you DMC?

:lol

[DMC]

If it was directed at you, your feels would get scathed

I don't trust your intuition for obvious reasons.

[DMC]

Anything meaningful on the gun control front? Must be the chip shortage.

[Th'Pusher]

Anything meaningful on the gun control front? Must be the chip shortage.

For sure. Although we have altered our plan a bit based on the “political realities”.

The full force propaganda campaign is a go. Josh Brolin is on board which I think will give us credibility with white males. That’s key, because we’ve now shifted our strategy to be race based. Our initial focus is going to be stripping the gun “rights” of white males aged 18-65. They’ll be allowed to possess 1 revolver with 1 live round, the rest have to be blanks. And the live round has to be completely indistinguishable from the blanks. OR a single barrel shotgun. You gotta give them options.

We’re a little concerned the race/age limit piece might be illegal so SR21 is reviewing the latest proposal.

We’ll keep you posted. Thanks for checking back in. Glad we have your full support.

[DMC]

For sure. Although we have altered our plan a bit based on the “political realities”.

The full force propaganda campaign is a go. Josh Brolin is on board which I think will give us credibility with white males. That’s key, because we’ve now shifted our strategy to be race based. Our initial focus is going to be stripping the gun “rights” of white males aged 18-65. They’ll be allowed to possess 1 revolver with 1 live round, the rest have to be blanks. And the live round has to be completely indistinguishable from the blanks. OR a single barrel shotgun. You gotta give them options.

We’re a little concerned the race/age limit piece might be illegal so SR21 is reviewing the latest proposal.

We’ll keep you posted. Thanks for checking back in. Glad we have your full support.
I'll take that as a "no"

[Th'Pusher]

This cute skit is all you have. You certainly have nothing on gun control. Predictable.

A ridiculous premise warrants a ridiculous response.

Maybe you should learn a little more about how politics work before trying to contribute meaningfully in the political forum.

[Th'Pusher]

I'll take that as a "no"
Lol edit.

[DMC]

A ridiculous premise warrants a ridiculous response.

Maybe you should learn a little more about how politics work before trying to contribute meaningfully in the political forum.

You keep saying things like that, as if you're a political science professor instead of just being a cheerleader for the Russell Westbrooks of the political game.

[DMC]

Lol edit.

Same basic concept, you don't have anything but story time. I've always said you don't bring anything, you keep proving it. Your saving grace is that you're on par with the left.

Still nothing on gun control... nothing.

[Th'Pusher]

You keep saying things like that, as if you're a political science professor instead of just being a cheerleader for the Russell Westbrooks of the political game.

You don’t have to be a political scientist to understand why national gun control legislation hasn’t passed. If you think the reason is simply a result of the “party in power” being ineffective that shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue, the underlying politics and the basic legislative process. Maybe the NBA forum is a better fit for you.

[Th'Pusher]

Same basic concept, you don't have anything but story time. I've always said you don't bring anything, you keep proving it. Your saving grace is that you're on par with the left.

Still nothing on gun control... nothing.

I told you that I thought a ban on all semi autos is the most effective approach and that I don’t think that 2A, heller or any other case law would prevent such a ban.

That said, it’s clearly not politically feasible. So let’s start somewhere and adjust incrementally. All sorts of legitimate options have been tossed around here. The problem is that we have one party that refuses to come to the negotiating table. And instead of acknowledging that, you start stupid threads like this blaming the left for being ineffective. So, you get mocked, because you’re not a serious person. You’re just a lonely man addicted to online argument.

[koriwhat]

I told you that I thought a ban on all semi autos is the most effective approach and that I don’t think that 2A, heller or any other case law would prevent such a ban.

So all guns then besides bolt action rifles or shit from the 1700's? You fucking leftists are nothing but wet pussies.

[Dick Jones]

So all guns then besides bolt action rifles or shit from the 1700's? You fucking leftists are nothing but wet pussies.
You don’t even own a gun, sit down you long-haired burnout.

[DMC]

You don’t have to be a political scientist to understand why national gun control legislation hasn’t passed. If you think the reason is simply a result of the “party in power” being ineffective that shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue, the underlying politics and the basic legislative process. Maybe the NBA forum is a better fit for you.

"nothing can be done"

Shocker

[DMC]

I told you that I thought a ban on all semi autos is the most effective approach and that I don’t think that 2A, heller or any other case law would prevent such a ban.

Who did you vote for that ran on a platform of banning all semi-auto weapons with no grandfathering clause?


That said, it’s clearly not politically feasible. So let’s start somewhere and adjust incrementally. All sorts of legitimate options have been tossed around here. The problem is that we have one party that refuses to come to the negotiating table. And instead of acknowledging that, you start stupid threads like this blaming the left for being ineffective. So, you get mocked, because you’re not a serious person. You’re just a lonely man addicted to online argument.

Did Australia adjust incrementally? Why can't we be more like Australia?

Still waiting for something substantial from your side instead of excuses, finger pointing and insults. Those dead kids aren't walking through that door.

[Blake]

I don't trust your intuition for obvious reasons.

Basing it on your past scathed feels

[ChumpDumper]

:lol DMC has nothing and he's the one who wants to ban all guns.

[Blake]

Did Australia adjust incrementally? Why can't we be more like Australia?

OgVKvqTItto

[Th'Pusher]

Who did you vote for that ran on a platform of banning all semi-auto weapons with no grandfathering clause?


You wouldn’t ask this question if you understood what politically infeasible means. That’s what I’m saying. You don’t even have the base knowledge about politics and how politics work to have a conversation. Again, stick to the NBA forum.

[koriwhat]

You don’t even own a gun, sit down you long-haired burnout.

Whatever you say pussy behind an alt. :tu

[koriwhat]

You wouldn’t ask this question if you understood what politically infeasible means. That’s what I’m saying. You don’t even have the base knowledge about politics and how politics work to have a conversation. Again, stick to the NBA forum.

None of yall do tbh because truth be told you all are just playing dick measuring contests with no end result from any of yall. Just like with the Spurs/Bball your armchair GM'ing ain't shit either.

[SnakeBoy]

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[DMC]

Basing it on your past scathed feels

You've damn near completed your transformation into Chumpy. Your retorts are right out of his playbook (of 1 basic retort) of just repeating what hurt you at your opponent. Go you.

[DMC]

1534691710390902785

I wonder how his lungs fared.

[DMC]

You wouldn’t ask this question if you understood what politically infeasible means. That’s what I’m saying. You don’t even have the base knowledge about politics and how politics work to have a conversation. Again, stick to the NBA forum.

It means they won't be elected because the left doesn't want it either. You pretenders are a joke, and part of the reason nothing will ever change.

You lack to intestinal fortitude to stand up for what you claim to believe.

Why don't you start a thread and explain why the left cannot get anything done.

[pgardn]

:lol DMC has nothing and he's the one who wants to ban all guns.

I thought it was knifes that could be wielded by grandpaps in such a clinical manner that they had to be banned?

[ElNono]

This is a scathing indictment, much worse than being unable to pass meaningful gun control legislation.

It is what it is...

[Th'Pusher]

It means they won't be elected because the left doesn't want it either. You pretenders are a joke, and part of the reason nothing will ever change.

You lack to intestinal fortitude to stand up for what you claim to believe.

Why don't you start a thread and explain why the left cannot get anything done.

No. It simply means it’s going to take a lot longer than it should. The gun culture is deeply ingrained.

That’s why We chose Josh Brolin as the face of our propaganda campaign. He’ll have fake alphas like you eating from the palm of his hand. You’ll be signing up to trade in your handmade AR15 for a musket in no time.

Let’s be serious, you seek online approval from a burnout with spurs calf tats. You’ll be fucking putty in Josh Brolin’s hands.

[SnakeBoy]

I wonder how his lungs fared.

They stayed in his body. Must have been a good gun not a battlefield gun.

[Blake]

You've damn near completed your transformation into Chumpy. Your retorts are right out of his playbook (of 1 basic retort) of just repeating what hurt you at your opponent. Go you.

If one basic retort is all it takes then why go to the DMC pseudo intellectual wall o text

[DMC]

If one basic retort is all it takes then why go to the DMC pseudo intellectual wall o text

Because I know how much you struggle to read, yet read you will. Then you'll be intimidated by it and being the defeated little man you are, you'll surrender with a whimper of a retort "I know you are, what am I".

[DMC]

No. It simply means it’s going to take a lot longer than it should. The gun culture is deeply ingrained.

That’s why We chose Josh Brolin as the face of our propaganda campaign. He’ll have fake alphas like you eating from the palm of his hand. You’ll be signing up to trade in your handmade AR15 for a musket in no time.

Let’s be serious, you seek online approval from a burnout with spurs calf tats. You’ll be fucking putty in Josh Brolin’s hands.

It could take two terms! Maybe someone will have to pick up the torch by winning for the dems again! It takes being in power! We cannot have a solution to anything in less than a generation.. oh unless it's getting weps to Ukraine, we can do that most ricky tik.

[DMC]

They stayed in his body. Must have been a good gun not a battlefield gun.

If it was military style I don't know if anyone survives. They'd have to get special training for that though, something super secretive.

[Th'Pusher]

It could take two terms! Maybe someone will have to pick up the torch by winning for the dems again! It takes being in power! We cannot have a solution to anything in less than a generation.. oh unless it's getting weps to Ukraine, we can do that most ricky tik.

More NBA forum logic. We can send weapons to the Ukraine because the republicans are willing. That’s how it works.

Head on upstairs. I’m sure you can add a lot of value in the NBA forum. Politics just ain’t yo thang.

[Blake]

Because I know how much you struggle to read, yet read you will. Then you'll be intimidated by it and being the defeated little man you are, you'll surrender with a whimper of a retort "I know you are, what am I".

Sure

[DMC]

More NBA forum logic. We can send weapons to the Ukraine because the republicans are willing. That’s how it works.

Head on upstairs. I’m sure you can add a lot of value in the NBA forum. Politics just ain’t yo thang.

So as long as the GOP says so, it can happen. I thought the dems won the election.

You wish I would go away, but nope. You'll have to bring more than you've brought so far to make any progress here, Dilbert.

[Blake]

So as long as the GOP says so, it can happen. I thought the dems won the election.


DMC won't stop doubling down on his retard hand.

[DMC]

DMC won't stop doubling down on his retard hand.

Right back into 3rd person mode. :lol

[Blake]

Right back into 3rd person mode. :lol

DMC does 3rd person mode all the time

[koriwhat]

Because I know how much you struggle to read, yet read you will. Then you'll be intimidated by it and being the defeated little man you are, you'll surrender with a whimper of a retort "I know you are, what am I".

That little bitch is so frail and dumb as fuck if he thinks you're posting a "wall o text" when you literally post a sentence here and there. He's just an upset little bitch and he knows it. You don't subscribe to the shit left's cult and ol' BlaKKKe is upset about it.

Cry more you little bitch BlaKKKe!

[DMC]

You've damn near completed your transformation into Chumpy. Your retorts are right out of his playbook (of 1 basic retort) of just repeating what hurt you at your opponent. Go you.


Right back into 3rd person mode. :lol


DMC does 3rd person mode all the time
:lol You cannot help yourself. You literally have nothing else.

[Blake]

DMC would rather talk about me than his failed attention whoring thread. He's got nothing else.

[DMC]

:lol You cannot help yourself. You literally have nothing else.


DMC would rather talk about me than his failed attention whoring thread. He's got nothing else.

:lol

[DMC]

What's the status update on gun control? Can someone with political savvy, maybe Th'Pusher, take some accountability for this?

[Blake]

:lol

DMC thinks I didn't do that on purpose. DMC is slow.

[Blake]

What's the status update on gun control? Can someone with political savvy, maybe Th'Pusher, take some accountability for this?

DMC has been told but is desperate for attention in his attention whore thread

[Blake]

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Blake


:lmao

[Th'Pusher]

So as long as the GOP says so, it can happen. I thought the dems won the election.

You wish I would go away, but nope. You'll have to bring more than you've brought so far to make any progress here, Dilbert.

Look, EN is the patient one. I’m not going to explain basics of American politics to you. He likely will though.

If you want to hang out in the PF showing your ass, more power to you. I don’t consider you to be a serious person.

[DMC]

DMC thinks I didn't do that on purpose. DMC is slow.


DMC has been told but is desperate for attention in his attention whore thread


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Blake


:lmao

Of a Saturday night no less.

tee hee

[Blake]

What's the status update on gun control? Can someone with political savvy, maybe Th'Pusher, take some accountability for this?

Please someone talk to me in my attention whore thread.

On a Saturday night.

Teehee

[DMC]

Look, EN is the patient one. I’m not going to explain basics of American politics to you. He likely will though.

If you want to hang out in the PF showing your ass, more power to you. I don’t consider you to be a serious person.


Please someone talk to me in my attention whore thread.

On a Saturday night.

Teehee

https://i.imgur.com/pOnTHfy.jpg

:lol

[Th'Pusher]

Looks like a bipartisan deal may be emerging in the senate. I’m sure it’s next to nothing. But, that’s how shit gets done.

[DMC]

Looks like a bipartisan deal may be emerging in the senate. I’m sure it’s next to nothing. But, that’s how shit gets done.

So doing next to nothing is how shit gets done? I'd hate to have you as an employee.