Jeremy Sochan - 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

[timvp]

Complete Jeremy Sochan scouting report and Spurs outlook (https://www.spurstalk.com/jeremy-sochan-scouting-report-strengths-weaknesses-spurs-outlook/)


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Jeremy Sochan
Age: 19.1
School: Baylor
Height w/ Shoes: 6-foot-9*
Weight: 230*
Position: PF
*unofficial

Strengths
+Defense
+Mobility
+Basketball IQ

Weaknesses
-Three-point shooting
-Free throw shooting
-Shooting form

Complete Jeremy Sochan scouting report and Spurs outlook (https://www.spurstalk.com/jeremy-sochan-scouting-report-strengths-weaknesses-spurs-outlook/)

[Drom John]

Pelton's final stat only ranking has Sochan 8th.

[widowmaker]

You know what as long as they draft a power forward type at 9 ill be fine with.

[JuneJive]

If Chip gives his blessing, go for it.

[Ditty]

Starting to be more open to him being the pick at nine. I would be happy with him or Dieng at 9 if Sharpe or Mathurin are gone.

[duncan2150]

Nice read

Sochan still my guy for the fit, im not concerned about the shooting form more about the FT %.

[jjspur]

If they draft Sochan at 9, I'd be ok with it if some of the better players were already gone. He has a lot of good qualities, but he is still like my 3rd or 4th choice. In other words, he's a bit of a project.
If selected he'd better practice his free throws.

[3&D_TBH]

No risk it no biscuit. I would pull the trigger on sochan at 9. But you gotta surround him with better shooting than we currently have. But my gut tells me that we go with Johnny Davis, Mathurin, Dyson Daniels, or Usmane Dieng at 9 and then EJ Ledell Or Laravia later to try and get a PF.

[3&D_TBH]

But I do disagree with TimPVP when he suggests that Sochan might end up coming off the bench as his ceiling. He has too many intangibles and other skills for that to happen. Just surround him with and your defensive capabillity as a team skyrockets. I would pull the trigger.

[td4mvp2k]

he's a must draft and develop imo he has the intangibles you cant teach, a very spursy pick. talk about a steal if you can get him after 9.

[Mr. Body]

I've mentioned elsewhere, Sochan hits threes at a very slightly better percentage than Kawhi did when they both came out of college. Kawhi was a year older.

Hot take: I might take Sochan before Keegan Murray. I'm starting not to believe in Murray's production, seeing him as similar to Luka Garza, a product of Iowa feeding and feeding and feeding in very specific ways. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sochan go before Murray.

Sochan's shooting is obvs. a big issue. I think it's fixable. He's a very smart basketball player even on the offensive end. I can see him paired with a shooter like Zollins or Landale. But he did come off the bench for Baylor and has a ways to go, although I see him as a first year contributor. In some clips, I've never seen a player make instant/snap switches like he does.

Expectation: Something tells me he's not the guy. Could be wrong. I think it's Duren.

[rascal]

Don't want him at 9. Need to target an all star potential player with higher offensive upside.

The Spurs are continuing to collect non athletic poor shooters and are one of the worst teams in the league in athleticism, Sochan doesn't help.

Sochan can work on a team with go to scorers, offensive league leaders at the 2 and 3, Spurs don't have that.

[rjv]

sochan was higher on my wish list a month ago but there are several players that i'd rather see the spurs pick with the 9th now.

[John B]

If the Spurs only have one pick on this draft, I’d pick Sochan because the defensive PF is the glaring hole. He is the best PF in our range at 9. But since Spurs have 4 picks, then I’d try to address all immediate needs.

1. Go-to scorer? Sochan is not. Davis, Mathurin, Sharpe, Daniels, Liddell, LaRavia, Dieng
2. Defensive PF? Yes
3. Point-of-attack defense. Yes and no. He is able to switch. But ideally Davis, Daniels
4. On-man defensive Center with offensive upsides. Duren, Mark Wlliams

Since I don’t expect the Spurs to bring in 4 rookies. I suspect they either stash or use picks to consolidate. I’d rather they trade up plus picks to address all above. I’d address 1 and 3 first with Davis or Daniels, before I find a way to get Sochan. If he’s not available, I have an option of getting Eason or any of the other PF’s later.

[Spurs Homer]

Not too excited about a guy who didnt even START in college?

pass

[Mr. Body]

Not too excited about a guy who didnt even START in college?

pass

I believe Kendall Brown started and playing both didn't make sense. Brown came into the year more heavily considered/rated but as the year went on Sochan overcame him, but kept him coming off the bench. I wouldn't think much of it.

[The Truth #6]

I think some team will talk themselves into "Scotty Barnes meets Draymond" and grab him before 9. This is a weird draft. A lot of comps seem strained because a lot of players seem solid, like all the way to 20 maybe, but not great. I like Sochan. Love his energy. I suppose you take him at 9 if you are feeling confident in Keldon becoming the team's best scorer next year. I mean, we have a lot of problems. Sochan at 9 won't fix most of them, but could definitely help and be an asset. Also, after the Primo adventure last year, one has to wonder if they are perhaps going into this draft to get workable talent and less huge swing/upside.

[BatManu20]

His jump-shot worries me as he has weird mechanics throughout his entire body when he shoots. Not saying it can’t be fixed, but it will definitely be a work in progress for whatever team drafts him. He obviously fits our most needed position, which helps his case. Will be a good, switchable defender from day one though. He’s a bit of an agitator on the court too. Someone who gets under player’s skin. That combined with his hair colors reminds of Rodman.

Anyways, I personally think we can do better, but wouldn’t hate the pick either.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[exstatic]

Nice read

Sochan still my guy for the fit, im not concerned about the shooting form more about the FT %.

Shooting form directly affects FT%. That’s why with someone like Johnny Davis, you don’t worry so much about his 30 3G%, because his shoots 80% from the FT line, meaning he has a consistent, re-producible stroke. You can’t shoot 80% from the line without that.

[Mr. Body]

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I love how far out he gets on guards. He comes way out on them and isn't uncomfortable at all. He makes himself huge against them, too, both in size and span but also how fast he moves his feet.

[BatManu20]

Jeremy Sochan 6’9” PF/SF (19 years old)
Freshman Season Stats at Baylor:
9.2 PPG, 6.4 REB, 1.8 AST, 1.3 STL, 47.4 FG%, 29.6 3PT%, 58.9 FT%

[duncan2150]

I think some team will talk themselves into "Scotty Barnes meets Draymond" and grab him before 9. This is a weird draft. A lot of comps seem strained because a lot of players seem solid, like all the way to 20 maybe, but not great. I like Sochan. Love his energy. I suppose you take him at 9 if you are feeling confident in Keldon becoming the team's best scorer next year. I mean, we have a lot of problems. Sochan at 9 won't fix most of them, but could definitely help and be an asset. Also, after the Primo adventure last year, one has to wonder if they are perhaps going into this draft to get workable talent and less huge swing/upside.

You sum up things tough i'm not agree about the Keldon thing. There is not a player who can solve the majority of spurs problem at 9 : They need size, defense, rebounding, scoring... imo the player who can solve the most improvement areas is Johnny Davis because he can score and defend but sochan as a 4 is the best fit for me.

[JPB]

lol "NBA University".

[duncan2150]

Shooting form directly affects FT%. That’s why with someone like Johnny Davis, you don’t worry so much about his 30 3G%, because his shoots 80% from the FT line, meaning he has a consistent, re-producible stroke. You can’t shoot 80% from the line without that.

i totally agree but i see sochan's mechanics as correct, i could be wrong but i'm not worried. Not saying he will be a 40% 3pts shooter and a 80% at FT.

[Mr. Body]

i totally agree but i see sochan's mechanics as correct, i could be wrong but i'm not worried. Not saying he will be a 40% 3pts shooter and a 80% at FT.

His form is not bad and his hands have good softness to them. He's not clanging his shots, there's just some issues that need to be worked out.

[The Truth #6]

You sum up things tough i'm not agree about the Keldon thing. There is not a player who can solve the majority of spurs problem at 9 : They need size, defense, rebounding, scoring... imo the player who can solve the most improvement areas is Johnny Davis because he can score and defend but sochan as a 4 is the best fit for me.

Yeah, drafting Sochan has nothing to do with Keldon, I think I was just riffing. KJ sort of came alive in the second half versus NO in the play in, but it's hard to say if he takes a bigger leap this upcoming season, and being a go to scorer is not expected. And I still like Johnny Davis because I think he's a perfect fit for the Spurs. But I like Eason, too, probably still more than Sochan.

[rascal]

Not liking the idea of taking a top ten pick being primarily strong defensively but not offensively.

You won't win in this league trotting out a defensive team, too easy for the top scorers to score on anyone.

If you're lucky enough to get a top ten pick you need to target a high volume upside go to scorer(Spurs need to aggressively look to move up a couple of spots), those players get drafted high in drafts, the defensive specialists you can get later.

[rascal]

Yeah, drafting Sochan has nothing to do with Keldon, I think I was just riffing. KJ sort of came alive in the second half versus NO in the play in, but it's hard to say if he takes a bigger leap this upcoming season, and being a go to scorer is not expected. And I still like Johnny Davis because I think he's a perfect fit for the Spurs. But I like Eason, too, probably still more than Sochan.

Agree Keldon is about at his peak now. I just don't see him attacking the basket which will be needed to be a go to scorer.

I think his numbers peaked during the last three months of the season because of all the tanking teams.
It would be interesting to see his totals against the tanking non Playoff teams vs the Playoff teams in the last three months of the season.

[MultiTroll]

Like with Kawhi, gonna be all about how much he develops imo.

Haven't seen enough to know. And perhaps no one knows.

With Kawhi the hands and quickness made it a no brainer.

[John B]

Not only on Keldon development, but also on Devin developing into a consistent go-to scorer and defensive lockdown. If Devin and Keldon could take that leap, then Sochan at 9 as a defensive PF would be ideal.

[John B]

Like with Kawhi, gonna be all about how much he develops imo.

Haven't seen enough to know. And perhaps no one knows.

With Kawhi the hands and quickness made it a no brainer.

Nobody expected Kawhi will be an offensive force on top of becoming a great defender. He was just such a gym rat.

[TD 21]

Not interested. A team this bereft of talent has no business expending their highest pick in 25 years on a player this offensively limited and flawed, especially a non center which generally caps defensive impact at sub elite.

They don't need to go reaching to fill a positional need either, when at worst they can more than likely get Washington Jr. to fill the gaping hole at the four, whose shooting automatically makes him a better fit.

[John B]

IF Devin and Keldon made that leap this coming seadon, Sochan is the ideal, straight forward with very little changes on the line-up, just plug in Sochan.

[cool cat]

Nobody expected Kawhi will be an offensive force on top of becoming a great defender. He was just such a rat. fixed

[Marco]

His ceiling is high end role player. Spurs need more from a 9 pick.

[rascal]

Like with Kawhi, gonna be all about how much he develops imo.

Haven't seen enough to know. And perhaps no one knows.

With Kawhi the hands and quickness made it a no brainer.

Kawhi was a specimen. Size, large hands and strenght, Keldon is not in his league.

[rascal]

His ceiling is high end role player. Spurs need more from a 9 pick.

I think he can be a solid starter but you better have top go to scorers at the 2 and 3 to offset that he won't be a go to scorer.
And if he doesn't improve on his free throw shooting he will be a liability to be on the floor late in games.

Overall Team Defense is great but not at the expense of Team offense.

Spurs are hoping their young players will develop but there is a high chance no one becomes a top 25 scorer in the league from the current group. How many years will they invest in the current core?

[MultiTroll]

Kawhi was a specimen. Size, large hands and strenght, Keldon is not in his league.
Oh yeah I'm not playing Keldon at the 4, that was Coach Retard.

I thought we were comparing with Sochan anyways.

[BackHome]

His form is not bad and his hands have good softness to them. He's not clanging his shots, there's just some issues that need to be worked out.

He pushes with his fingers I think it should be an easy fix for him

[exstatic]

Jeremy Sochan 6’9” PF/SF (19 years old)
Freshman Season Stats at Baylor:
9.2 PPG, 6.4 REB, 1.8 AST, 1.3 STL, 47.4 FG%, 29.6 3PT%, 58.9 FT%

If that’s supposed to be a diss, you probably wouldn’t have drafted this one guard from UK. Scored 10 ppg. Name of Devin Booker.

[slick'81]

Soo if rodman and Bowen had a baby it be this guy?

[PhantomDashCam]

If Sochan's shooting numbers were in the league of say, Banchero (48% FG, 34% 3PT, 73% FT), where do you think he'd be drafted?

This guy embodies everything, (at least as I understand it), that the Spurs 'Culture' is about.

He speaks with an experience and a wisdom beyond his years. He's versatile, including projecting to play a position of dire need and the kid has a toughness, an edge that belies his soft-spoken ways.

Be it through hubris, ignorance or plain old fashioned confidence; the FO is looking for guys who are over themselves and will earn their way into playing/becoming Stars.
Sochan is likely a High Level Starter/Glue guy at best. But he has real tools to achieve those goals in a system extremely beneficial to players of his ilk if the shooting comes around.

Bryan Kalbrosky's interview with Sochan mentioned Herb Jones and that he shot 7% from 3, 63% from the line his Junior season - then in his senior season, 35% from 3, 71% from the line.
That dude is shooting 35% from 3 in the NBA, and 81% from the line. And he's soon to be 24 (in October). He was also 2nd Team All-Rookie.

We can't underestimate how important players of this caliber are to winning and forming team winning habits. I still think there is a chance for a potential Offensive primary later in the draft if this is the way the Spurs decide to go.
It may not be the most exciting of picks but I'd be on board with Sochan as a selection at #9.

[wildbill2u]

I'm not sure what "unmoved" in your poll means in your estimation, but in mine he doesn't merit a 9th pick because of his shooting. There are some better options out there since we need a future "star" at almost every position and we could find a better SF, PF or SG at #9 IMO. We need to get this pick right. Sochan is too risky.

[rankingtear]

Sochan would look good next to all star. We still have picks 20 25 to get those. The Herb Jones and Draymond Greens are only gettable with top 10 picks.

[CGD]

I've mentioned elsewhere, Sochan hits threes at a very slightly better percentage than Kawhi did when they both came out of college. Kawhi was a year older.

Hot take: I might take Sochan before Keegan Murray. I'm starting not to believe in Murray's production, seeing him as similar to Luka Garza, a product of Iowa feeding and feeding and feeding in very specific ways. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sochan go before Murray.

Sochan's shooting is obvs. a big issue. I think it's fixable. He's a very smart basketball player even on the offensive end. I can see him paired with a shooter like Zollins or Landale. But he did come off the bench for Baylor and has a ways to go, although I see him as a first year contributor. In some clips, I've never seen a player make instant/snap switches like he does.

Expectation: Something tells me he's not the guy. Could be wrong. I think it's Duren.

Was thinking about Keegan earlier and have similar unease. Also read reports that Indy were hoping to trade Turner and Brogdon to hit the reset button, which made me wonder if they’d switch philosophies heading into the draft. I’d assume Keegan was perfect with those vets and Duarte.

If they did change course, they seem Duren or Sochan destination at 6.

[BatManu20]

If that’s supposed to be a diss, you probably wouldn’t have drafted this one guard from UK. Scored 10 ppg. Name of Devin Booker.

Wasn't a diss. I like Sochan. He’s not my first choice, but I like him as a prospect. Was just highlighting cause nobody had posted his stats yet.

[Maddog]

His ceiling is high end role player. Spurs need more from a 9 pick.

Although I'm really intrigued by him that's a fair way to look at him. The FT% is the thing that scares me the most.
You almost never see players shooting that low ever become decent shooters. I'm trying to think of one- Hakeem Olajuwan?

IF he could become a good shooter he could be special
I'm really on the fence
Anyone hear how he shot in workouts
Not that is proof

[John B]

Although I'm really intrigued by him that's a fair way to look at him. The FT% is the thing that scares me the most.
You almost never see players shooting that low ever become decent shooters. I'm trying to think of one- Hakeem Olajuwan?

IF he could become a good shooter he could be special
I'm really on the fence
Anyone hear how he shot in workouts
Not that is proof

2nd best PF ever, behind Timmy, Karl Malone was an atrocious at the FT line when he first started at 48%

[The Truth #6]

Not interested. A team this bereft of talent has no business expending their highest pick in 25 years on a player this offensively limited and flawed, especially a non center which generally caps defensive impact at sub elite.

They don't need to go reaching to fill a positional need either, when at worst they can more than likely get Washington Jr. to fill the gaping hole at the four, whose shooting automatically makes him a better fit.

I can see your logic. So who is your preferred pick at 9 to get?

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I like Sochan a lot.

his shot doesn’t look totally broken, he isn’t afraid to shoot, a very good defender, solid passer, and high basketball IQ

[rascal]

I like Sochan a lot.

his shot doesn’t look totally broken, he isn’t afraid to shoot, a very good defender, solid passer, and high basketball IQ

What determines high basketball IQ? How do you know his basketball IQ?

Is this a label put on defensive minded players(those guys have high basketball IQ) but not on offensive minded players(those guys are street ballers)?

The Spurs need a couple of high athletic street ballers who can drop 25 points a night and bring excitement on the offensive side of the ball.

[TD 21]

I can see your logic. So who is your preferred pick at 9 to get?

I don't really have one, which is partially why I've suggested ad nauseam that they put it in play for a young forward who can be part of the core moving forward.

If they keep it, I'd probably go either Davis or Branham. Griffin's injury history and current loss of mobility is risky; Dieng would equal a project in back to back lotteries and is seemingly low floor; Duren and Williams are seemingly relatively low ceiling and the latter can probably be had further down in a package by trading Poeltl to the Hornets.

[rankingtear]

We overrating the impact of a defensive specialist contenders have multiple ways to attack you. You put out two way guys with enough offense to not shrink the floor.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Sochan would look good next to all star. We still have picks 20 25 to get those. The Herb Jones and Draymond Greens are only gettable with top 10 picks.

Both were drafted with pick 35 in their respective drafts.

[JPB]

I don't really have one, which is partially why I've suggested ad nauseam that they put it in play for a young forward who can be part of the core moving forward.

If they keep it, I'd probably go either Davis or Branham. Griffin's injury history and current loss of mobility is risky; Dieng would equal a project in back to back lotteries and is seemingly low floor; Duren and Williams are seemingly relatively low ceiling and the latter can probably be had further down in a package by trading Poeltl to the Hornets.

No offense but the truth is that we have little no idea of what is what about all the players you're mentioning, specially if we consider they're still kids who will mature differently.

You problably didn't ever heard of Dieng one month ago but now he's low floor", You tag Duren and Williams "low ceiling" who are projected higher in all the mock drafts than Branham that you still you claim better yet... We play the little scouts and experts here about players who barely ever watched (and please don't tell me you did) only from twitter clips and "pundits"...

And that "Im sure or probably CHA would take JAk for their 13/15 pick" is becoming a gimmick, tbh. We're sure of nothing. We don't know.

I mean these NBA GMs have a fuckton of data, vids and interviews about these players and they're still not sure... So a bunch of fuckers on a forum. I mean it's OK to have opinions or feelings but any definitive, ultimate judgment about these kids is vain.

[rascal]

No offense but the truth is that we have little no idea of what is what about all the players you're mentioning, specially if we consider they're still kids who will mature differently.

You problably didn't ever heard of Dieng one month ago but now he's low floor", You tag Duren and Williams "low ceiling" who are projected higher in all the mock drafts than Branham that you still you claim better yet... We play the little scouts and experts here about players who barely ever watched (and please don't tell me you did) only from twitter clips and "pundits"...

And that "Im sure or probably CHA would take JAk for their 13/15 pick" is becoming a gimmick, tbh. We're sure of nothing. We don't know.

I mean these NBA GMs have a fuckton of data, vids and interviews about these players and they're still not sure... So a bunch of fuckers on a forum. I mean it's OK to have opinions or feelings but any definitive, ultimate judgment about these kids is vain.

I don't know what the fascination with Dieng is on this board that some want him at 9. He doesn't look strong and aggressive to me, opting for weak floater shots instead of attacking the rim for dunks.

Of course no one knows what will happen and its all speculation which player will be great/good or a bust and its all opinions and rumors on this board.

[KingKev]

Rifleman Redux

[TD 21]

No offense but the truth is that we have little no idea of what is what about all the players you're mentioning, specially if we consider they're still kids who will mature differently.

You problably didn't ever heard of Dieng one month ago but now he's low floor", You tag Duren and Williams "low ceiling" who are projected higher in all the mock drafts than Branham that you still you claim better yet... We play the little scouts and experts here about players who barely ever watched (and please don't tell me you did) only from twitter clips and "pundits"...

And that "Im sure or probably CHA would take JAk for their 13/15 pick" is becoming a gimmick, tbh. We're sure of nothing. We don't know.

I mean these NBA GMs have a fuckton of data, vids and interviews about these players and they're still not sure... So a bunch of fuckers on a forum. I mean it's OK to have opinions or feelings but any definitive, ultimate judgment about these kids is vain.

The purpose of a message board is so fans can commiserate and share opinions. Of course there's nothing definitive about this (including by the front offices that people like you worship at the altar of) and I've never claimed differently.

If you read my posts carefully, I always use terms like seemingly, more than likely, possibly, etc. based on a combination of my own knowledge and what I've accrued from those I read/listen to.

Fans like you are the worst. You contribute nothing of substance while criticizing those who do, all so you can play holier than though by telling us things we already know.

[John B]

What determines high basketball IQ? How do you know his basketball IQ?

Is this a label put on defensive minded players(those guys have high basketball IQ) but not on offensive minded players(those guys are street ballers)?

The Spurs need a couple of high athletic street ballers who can drop 25 points a night and bring excitement on the offensive side of the ball.

As much as I hate Donkey, he has high BBall IQ who sees plays developing and reacts timely offensively and defensively, and often times facilitate and communicate. And true, he would be nowhere near effective without Curry and Klay. Sochan is the same and could be as valuable, and could even be an All-Star in that regard. He’s loud out there and has the same swagger. And could very well be the defensive achor like Donkey. We missed that when Timmy left. Poeltl should’ve been the defensive anchor, but often times he folds against better big men and his overhelping caused demoralizing dunks. He lacks the motor to give 100% all game. I think Sochan is a good pick for that purpose.

Again IF Spurs only had one pick on this draft, I’d use it on Sochan and plug it on last years group, hoping Devin and Keldon have made the leap. Sochan would start at 4 seamlessly.

[tonight...you]

Kind of sounds like Ben Simmons without being a headcase to me.

[John B]

I don't know what the fascination with Dieng is on this board that some want him at 9. He doesn't look strong and aggressive to me, opting for weak floater shots instead of attacking the rim for dunks.

Of course no one knows what will happen and its all speculation which player will be great/good or a bust and its all opinions and rumors on this board.

Dieng reminds me of Diaw. He has handles, can facilitate and can do a lot out there. It’s that nostalgia of having another Diaw back. Right now Dieng is still very young but the promise is there for a big rewards if he continues his trajectory. Not to mention he is a position of need. I like the kid also and if they’re right about him, he could be a steal even at 9. And if Spurs play it right and draft Wembanyama next year, there goes your French Connection :lol

[jjspur]

Drafting Sochan would create a couple of positive things for the spurs. Stick him him in the starting lineup and he probably bumps wannabe PF McNuggets (if he's still around) to the 2nd team (which would be a positive move)who then pushes someone to the third team and then someone off the team (addition then subtraction). Sochan may not give you as many points as McNuggets, but he plays much better defense. He may not cut or hit the 3 like McNuggets, but he will give you more rebounding and can probably stay with his man much better.

He isn't my favorite pick at 9, but I can see the positives. Drafting him won't be a home run, but but it will definitely improve the team and it might get us from the play in to the play offs.

[rascal]

Drafting Sochan would create a couple of positive things for the spurs. Stick him him in the starting lineup and he probably bumps wannabe PF McNuggets (if he's still around) to the 2nd team (which would be a positive move)who then pushes someone to the third team and then someone off the team (addition then subtraction). Sochan may not give you as many points as McNuggets, but he plays much better defense. He may not cut or hit the 3 like McNuggets, but he will give you more rebounding and can probably stay with his man much better.

He isn't my favorite pick at 9, but I can see the positives. Drafting him won't be a home run, but but it will definitely improve the team and it might get us from the play in to the play offs.

I'm very confident Sochan will be the pick at 9 and especially since I don't want him as the pick at 9.

The spurs were 14 games below .500 with no significant injuries. That was not a good season, one key injury and the the Spurs will be a bottom five team, that's how weak the talent on the roster is.

I don't think Sochan gets the Spurs into the playoffs as the key player acquisition the Spurs make as other teams in the west will be improving more than the Spurs. There will be a lot of player movement and teams will change.

[rascal]

Dieng reminds me of Diaw. He has handles, can facilitate and can do a lot out there. It’s that nostalgia of having another Diaw back. Right now Dieng is still very young but the promise is there for a big rewards if he continues his trajectory. Not to mention he is a position of need. I like the kid also and if they’re right about him, he could be a steal even at 9. And if Spurs play it right and draft Wembanyama next year, there goes your French Connection :lol

You think a career 8 point scorer(Diaw) is good for the 9th pick?

[rankingtear]

I don't know what the fascination with Dieng is on this board that some want him at 9. He doesn't look strong and aggressive to me, opting for weak floater shots instead of attacking the rim for dunks.

Of course no one knows what will happen and its all speculation which player will be great/good or a bust and its all opinions and rumors on this board.

Strength training is pretty straightforward. Teams already prefected adding explosive strength on skinny guys. He is very fluid and coordinated for that size that is why some see Paul George and nic Batum.

[ragas]

Poeltl... He lacks the motor to give 100% all game.

1st in contested shots in the NBA, 4th in screen assists. I wouldn't say that he doesn't give 100% on defense and offense.

[John B]

You think a career 8 point scorer(Diaw) is good for the 9th pick?

Yup that’s the frustration on Diaw with all his natural gifts, but his laissez-faire attitude with his flip-flops and coffee. You got me there. A richman version of Diaw? :lol

[exstatic]

Yup that’s the frustration on Diaw with all his natural gifts, but his laissez-faire attitude with his flip-flops and coffee. You got me there. A richman version of Diaw? :lol

Diaw’s skill set.

[John B]

1st in contested shots in the NBA, 4th in screen assists. I wouldn't say that he doesn't give 100% on defense and offense.

Here we go again with the stats on Poeltl. I’ll give him the screen assist. He is very good at screening and rolling to the rim. But don’t tell me he gives 100% every night, please. Maybe in contract year or when Pop lights his behind. If only Poeltl had Ewwbanks motor.

[Drom John]

2003 draft by career WS:

1) LeBron James
2) Dwayne Wade
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Chris Bosh
5) David West
6) Kyle Korver
7) Zaza Pachulia
8) Kirk Hinrich
9) Boris Diaw

12) Matt Bonner
21) Keith Bogans
23) T.J. Ford

[exstatic]

2003 draft by career WS:

1) LeBron James
2) Dwayne Wade
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Chris Bosh
5) David West
6) Kyle Korver
7) Zaza Pachulia
8) Kirk Hinrich
9) Boris Diaw

12) Matt Bonner
21) Keith Bogans
23) T.J. Ford

Five of the twelve have been Spurs.

[Dejounte]

The purpose of a message board is so fans can commiserate and share opinions. Of course there's nothing definitive about this (including by the front offices that people like you worship at the altar of) and I've never claimed differently.

If you read my posts carefully, I always use terms like seemingly, more than likely, possibly, etc. based on a combination of my own knowledge and what I've accrued from those I read/listen to.

Fans like you are the worst. You contribute nothing of substance while criticizing those who do, all so you can play holier than though by telling us things we already know.

My favorite post of the year!

[SpursBills]

I'm very confident Sochan will be the pick at 9 and especially since I don't want him as the pick at 9.

The spurs were 14 games below .500 with no significant injuries. That was not a good season, one key injury and the the Spurs will be a bottom five team, that's how weak the talent on the roster is.

I don't think Sochan gets the Spurs into the playoffs as the key player acquisition the Spurs make as other teams in the west will be improving more than the Spurs. There will be a lot of player movement and teams will change.

I agree with some of your points. I've seen you say that Spurs should be willing to trade to move up. What players / assets would you be willing to give up to move up from 9, and who would you realistically draft as a result of moving up?

[slick'81]

Five of the twelve have been Spurs.


no way!:lol Keith bogans was terrible

[tonight...you]

no way!:lol Keith bogans was terrible
Head of the snake Bogans? Lol.

[exstatic]

I'm very confident Sochan will be the pick at 9 and especially since I don't want him as the pick at 9.

The spurs were 14 games below .500 with no significant injuries. That was not a good season, one key injury and the the Spurs will be a bottom five team, that's how weak the talent on the roster is.

I don't think Sochan gets the Spurs into the playoffs as the key player acquisition the Spurs make as other teams in the west will be improving more than the Spurs. There will be a lot of player movement and teams will change.

The Spurs were a very young team, still learning to close games early in the year. Their expected W/L was 41-41. They literally set the record for worst win % with a net positive rating.

[Maddog]

no way!:lol Keith bogans was terrible

Just a great example of no matter what all these analysis say, the majority of pics never become stars or even significant contributors

[Dejounte]

It’s just not a factual statement to say the Spurs had no key injuries last year :lmao

DJ was out and they went on a losing streak
Poeltl was out at the beginning of the season when they were still trying to build chemistry
not to mention White who was gone by midseason and had to be replaced by someone unfamiliar with the other starters

[rascal]

I agree with some of your points. I've seen you say that Spurs should be willing to trade to move up. What players / assets would you be willing to give up to move up from 9, and who would you realistically draft as a result of moving up?

I would move up to draft either Sharpe, Mathurin or Murray. Just have to move up a little 2 spots to guarantee one of these players.

Who would I trade is the hard part because the spurs may not have enough attractive assets to even move up a little in the draft. I'm not opposed to trading anyone on the roster depending on the return.

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Shooting form directly affects FT%. That’s why with someone like Johnny Davis, you don’t worry so much about his 30 3G%, because his shoots 80% from the FT line, meaning he has a consistent, re-producible stroke. You can’t shoot 80% from the line without that.

I've heard it both ways actually in scouting reports. If they already shoot that well behind the FT line but that poorly from deep, it can be difficult getting vast improvement in their 3pt% that lines up with a increase in the FT % from a player with lower levels in both. But to draft such a player means they have the work ethic to get into the gym and put up 500 shots per day and the proper coaching to correct form issues.

Maybe easier to construct a shot from poor form than try to re-construct a form that was partially successful previously. Case in point at least in the short term is Primo.

[T Park]

Chip England took guys like Bowen and Leonard and not only made them good shooters but really really good three point shooters. If Sochan is the gym rat like reported, there’s no reason you couldn’t rebuild his swing like Bowen or Tony Parker, and he improves.

[Big Empty]

Pass. 60% free throw shooter. Even if he helped us into the playoffs we’d have to pull him the last 2 minutes or they’l hack a Jeremy

[exstatic]

Pass. 60% free throw shooter. Even if he helped us into the playoffs we’d have to pull him the last 2 minutes or they’l hack a Jeremy

60% doesn’t get hacked. If they hack you at 60%, you go up and shoot your 60%, and thank them for handling you a defenderless offense at 60% scoring efficiency. <50% tends to be the threshold.

[Mr. Body]

As a note Duren is around sixty percent fts. And Dyson Daniels has his own issues there.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

What determines high basketball IQ? How do you know his basketball IQ?

Is this a label put on defensive minded players(those guys have high basketball IQ) but not on offensive minded players(those guys are street ballers)?

The Spurs need a couple of high athletic street ballers who can drop 25 points a night and bring excitement on the offensive side of the ball.

having a high basketball IQ isn’t just indicative of how someone plays defense. It’s how fast they process the right plays in live game action, not just the big splashy plays but also the small plays like making the correct extra pass, setting off ball picks, getting teammates in the correct position on offense and defense, boxing out for rebounds, tapping rebounds to teammates that they might not be able to gather, etc.

a player who plays smart, basically

[Chomag]

It depends who is still on the board but I only see him being a roll player at the NBA level.

[Degoat]

I’m pretty out on Sochan tbh I wouldn’t hate it if he’s the pick but there’s better value at #9

[exstatic]

It depends who is still on the board but I only see him being a roll player at the NBA level.

A lot of the difference between role player, starter, and All Star is between the ears. Boris Diaw is a nearly perfect example. He had a complete NBA skill set, cleared more on his flip flop cappuccino vertical test than Amare, yet was nothing more than a journeyman. I always thought he could have been All NBA if he burned for the game like the big three did. Nic Batum is another one.

Sochan supposedly has a killer work ethic. That’ll go a long way towards determining his ceiling in a league where talent is the norm.

[Mr. Body]

Sochan has the possibility of raising the level of those around him, whether fixing mistakes and improving team defense while he's on the floor or as a connector on offense. The guy busts his ass and tries to get under the skin of opposing players. He's not some guy to stick in the corners.

That may be a role player, but undersells what a role player is.

[JPB]

Boris Diaw a journeyman, wow. Guy was a starter in a contending Phoenix team and spurs might not ring in 2014 witthout him, they might not even get past OKC.

[rascal]

The Spurs were a very young team, still learning to close games early in the year. Their expected W/L was 41-41. They literally set the record for worst win % with a net positive rating.

I don't care about expected W/L record, the actual W/L is what counts.

The Spurs don't have a go to scorer who can reliably hit the big shot in a close game.

They are one of the worst teams in the league in regards of lacking all star talent.
Their top scorer was 31st in the league.

This should be the first thing to address during the draft, need to find a player with future high offensive all star potential.

Best for them to move up a little to have a higher chance to get that type of player.
Not targeting primarily defensive players with that 9th pick.

[John B]

A lot of the difference between role player, starter, and All Star is between the ears. Boris Diaw is a nearly perfect example. He had a complete NBA skill set, cleared more on his flip flop cappuccino vertical test than Amare, yet was nothing more than a journeyman. I always thought he could have been All NBA if he burned for the game like the big three did. Nic Batum is another one.

Sochan supposedly has a killer work ethic. That’ll go a long way towards determining his ceiling in a league where talent is the norm.

Diaw, Batum… while Parker has always been the ultra-competitive growing up, but was seen as easy-go-lucky by the Spurs on his 1st try out. One wanders how much motivated Dieng is, while having the same skillset as Diaw.

[John B]

Boris Diaw a journeyman, wow. Guy was a starter in a contending Phoenix team and spurs might not ring in 2014 witthout him, they might not even get past OKC.

But Boris was a journeyman with all the talent that he has. Don’t get me wrong. I love Boris and yes he was highly instrumental on bringing the beautiful game into fruition with his passing game. But he has the laissez-faire approach to life, and would’ve hang it up after Charlotte, had it not for TP recruiting him. Bruh 7 teams before he got to Spurs, and just look at his body if that’s not someone who enjoys a little too much chocolat croissants.

[John B]

Sochan has the possibility of raising the level of those around him, whether fixing mistakes and improving team defense while he's on the floor or as a connector on offense. The guy busts his ass and tries to get under the skin of opposing players. He's not some guy to stick in the corners.

That may be a role player, but undersells what a role player is.

I like Sochan and he could be the defensive anchor like Donkey is. And I’ve mentioned before that had Spurs only have one pick on this draft, I’d use it on Sochan. He addresses the immediate defensive PF need and would fit seamlessly in Spurs existing lineup, allowing Keldon to slide to SF with Sochan’s great help defense. BUT Spurs have 4 picks, and I rather they use their 1st pick on an offensive go-to scorer like Davis, who is harder to find in the latter part of the draft than a defensive big. In an ideal workd, I’d get both. And that is the challenge for PATFO how to maneuver getting most from this draft.

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The Spurs were a very young team, still learning to close games early in the year. Their expected W/L was 41-41. They literally set the record for worst win % with a net positive rating.

It's deeper than that though. Their defense was downright atrocious. They should have had a much better +/- than what they had. And the thing above all else that concerns me about this team is that I don't see the current group improving much, which demands that their upcoming draft picks become ball hawks / ball stoppers.

How many times did an opponent quite literally nutbag our defense in route to a career or season high performance?

It was truly pathetic. And it really lowered my view of DJ especially because he routinely got cucked by the league's better PGs.

[Mr. Body]

It's deeper than that though. Their defense was downright atrocious. They should have had a much better +/- than what they had. And the thing above all else that concerns me about this team is that I don't see the current group improving much, which demands that their upcoming draft picks become ball hawks / ball stoppers.

How many times did an opponent quite literally nutbag our defense in route to a career or season high performance?

It was truly pathetic. And it really lowered my view of DJ especially because he routinely got cucked by the league's better PGs.

Thing I keep going back to with Sochan is how far out he goes to cover smaller guards, with confidence. Not only does he switch impressively fast and adjust according to who he has, and his help defense is very, very good, he seems supremely confident in guarding smaller guys, making himself extremely large. If there's anything Sochan has, it's belief in himself.

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Thing I keep going back to with Sochan is how far out he goes to cover smaller guards, with confidence. Not only does he switch impressively fast and adjust according to who he has, and his help defense is very, very good, he seems supremely confident in guarding smaller guys, making himself extremely large. If there's anything Sochan has, it's belief in himself.

Agreed. His defense is *special* for a guy that size. And we could *desperately* use a big that could guard 1-4 to raise the collective floor on our overall team defense. Ideally at 9 you're getting someone that's really good offensively too, but Sochan is really really special on the defensive end. So I'd take him in a second there and pat Brian Wright on the back, even though he wouldn't be my top pick at that position depending on availability.

We'll see. The crucial thing is there are so many high ceiling guys in this draft and an argument could be made for lots of them. I'm really high on Dieng there and some others too, but Sochan could make this team better day 1, provided Pop actually allowed him to see the floor. And who knows, perhaps Chip can work miracles once more and make this kid into a deadly shooter. Then...then we'd really have a fucking player.

[exstatic]

Agreed. His defense is *special* for a guy that size. And we could *desperately* use a big that could guard 1-4 to raise the collective floor on our overall team defense. Ideally at 9 you're getting someone that's really good offensively too, but Sochan is really really special on the defensive end. So I'd take him in a second there and pat Brian Wright on the back, even though he wouldn't be my top pick at that position depending on availability.

We'll see. The crucial thing is there are so many high ceiling guys in this draft and an argument could be made for lots of them. I'm really high on Dieng there and some others too, but Sochan could make this team better day 1, provided Pop actually allowed him to see the floor. And who knows, perhaps Chip can work miracles once more and make this kid into a deadly shooter. Then...then we'd really have a fucking player.

With his defense, and his offensive connector skill set, he doesn’t need to be a sniper. Even 34-35% 3Gs would make him a weapon.

[TD 21]

With his defense, and his offensive connector skill set, he doesn’t need to be a sniper. Even 34-35% 3Gs would make him a weapon.

It's not just %, it's volume and quickness of release (especially with bigs) so that they garner a reputation to where defenses feel the need to at least give token respect, which allows them to space the floor.

Stranger things have happened, but it's probably highly unlikely he gets to that point.

[Atl Spur]

Sochan=Spur

[slick'81]

A guy who can actually play in the front court is fine by me

[Thomas82]

No thank you!!

[rascal]

How are the Spurs going to hang offensively with quick athletic teams like GS when they are adding players who are primarily defenders.
Boston's defense wasn't bad but they could not hang offensively with a more athletic quicker team.

GS showed you can go small ball and win in this league with perimeter shooting and athleticism(taking it to the basket). Spurs need to get better in these areas.

You think Sochan makes a huge difference against GS?

Are you trying to beat teams like GS with defense while not being as athletic and quick as they are with weaker perimeter shooting?

The Spurs can get a defensive big with one of the later picks. I like Eason( a better two way player than Sochan) if they can combine picks to move up to get him while using 9 on a higher potential offensive player.

[Degoat]

I haven’t been the highest on Sochan, tbh I’ve been against drafting him but just having his size would be a major plus to the team. Think about some of the bigger Forwards the spurs have played the last couple seasons in Cunningham, Lyles, Carrol, Bates Diop, Cacok lmao he’d be a god send compared to those guys

[DPG21920]

I would be shocked it Sochan didn’t go top 8. I think its a virtual lock at this point IMVHO

[Uriel]

The best shooting coach in the NBA coupled with an all-world prospect with high potential whose most poignant point of improvement is his shooting. It’s a match made in heaven.

[NickiRasgo]

Seems like, he's the Franz Wagner in this draft. He's not my preferred top pick @ 9th if available but I won't hate if Spurs will pick him.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj0zRBIsTaQ

[BatManu20]

Seems like, he's the Franz Wagner in this draft. He's not my preferred top pick @ 9th if available but I won't hate if Spurs will pick him.

Minus the 3-point shooting.

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How are the Spurs going to hang offensively with quick athletic teams like GS when they are adding players who are primarily defenders.
Boston's defense wasn't bad but they could not hang offensively with a more athletic quicker team.

GS showed you can go small ball and win in this league with perimeter shooting and athleticism(taking it to the basket). Spurs need to get better in these areas.

You think Sochan makes a huge difference against GS?

Are you trying to beat teams like GS with defense while not being as athletic and quick as they are with weaker perimeter shooting?

The Spurs can get a defensive big with one of the later picks. I like Eason( a better two way player than Sochan) if they can combine picks to move up to get him while using 9 on a higher potential offensive player.

Yes. His ability to switch out and guard Klay or Steph or Poole or stay on Draymond absolutely makes a difference. His athleticism and ability to crash the boards would also help in addition to providing an above the rim PnR game we haven't had in years. So yes, I'd take him happily. But again he's not my first choice, depending on availability.

[Dverde]

We got bigger problems than the warriors at this point. By the time this team is relevant again, GSW will be tanking again.

[rascal]

I would be shocked it Sochan didn’t go top 8. I think its a virtual lock at this point IMVHO

He won't go top 8. There are better players in the top 8.

He's the Spurs pick.

[rascal]

We got bigger problems than the warriors at this point. By the time this team is relevant again, GSW will be tanking again.

Warriors is just an example of having to play against more athletic teams than the Spurs.

[rascal]

Yes. His ability to switch out and guard Klay or Steph or Poole or stay on Draymond absolutely makes a difference. His athleticism and ability to crash the boards would also help in addition to providing an above the rim PnR game we haven't had in years. So yes, I'd take him happily. But again he's not my first choice, depending on availability.

I hope NO takes him at 8 but not counting on that to happen.

Spurs have the least watchable team in the league. Google least watchable teams in the NBA, see what comes up.

[John B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj0zRBIsTaQ

I see a lot of Draymond in him. He is going into a lot of people’s skin. He’s a prolific defender so I don’t think Pop would mind

[rascal]

I see a lot of Draymond in him. He is going into a lot of people’s skin. He’s a prolific defender so I don’t think Pop would mind

Draymond is more athletic and quicker, runs the floor better and is much better offensively.

[DPG21920]

He won't go top 8. There are better players in the top 8.

He's the Spurs pick.

I’d be very happy. But I bet NO drafts him if he’s there.

[TD 21]

I’d be very happy. But I bet NO drafts him if he’s there.

The Pelicans, if they stand pat (which is seemingly more likely if Sharpe to the Trail Blazers proves true, thereby probably eliminating the Thunder supposedly offering 12+) are rumored to be interested in Mathurin first (now thought to go 5 or 6) and Daniels second.

I'd be shocked if Sochan went top 8, but I'd like to see it both to unexpectedly push someone down and eliminate the possibility of him being the pick.

[slick'81]

Draymond is more athletic and quicker, runs the floor better and is much better offensively.

lol #30. Guess they dont like watching a brick fest from the outside

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Draymond is more athletic and quicker, runs the floor better and is much better offensively.

Disagree. Draymond is a very high IQ player and underrated passer, great screener, but in no way would I characterize his game as being athletic. You almost never see him stuff one or do a put back dunk. He wins by out-smarting and out-hustling his opponents.

I don't think you have to worry about that with Sochan. Plus he has the athleticism and quickness to even stay in front of Steph and Poole. His offensive game is why you don't draft him. But if he becomes a consistent 3pt shooter, he's a guaranteed all-star by year 3 or 4.

[rascal]

Disagree. Draymond is a very high IQ player and underrated passer, great screener, but in no way would I characterize his game as being athletic. You almost never see him stuff one or do a put back dunk. He wins by out-smarting and out-hustling his opponents.

I don't think you have to worry about that with Sochan. Plus he has the athleticism and quickness to even stay in front of Steph and Poole. His offensive game is why you don't draft him. But if he becomes a consistent 3pt shooter, he's a guaranteed all-star by year 3 or 4.

He isn't good enough to stay in front of Steph or the other top players in the league. He isn't going to be running all over the court playing guards and everyone else. No one stops the top players in the league. You have him as some super star on defense.

[rascal]

Disagree. Draymond is a very high IQ player and underrated passer, great screener, but in no way would I characterize his game as being athletic. You almost never see him stuff one or do a put back dunk. He wins by out-smarting and out-hustling his opponents.

I don't think you have to worry about that with Sochan. Plus he has the athleticism and quickness to even stay in front of Steph and Poole. His offensive game is why you don't draft him. But if he becomes a consistent 3pt shooter, he's a guaranteed all-star by year 3 or 4.

Draymond jumps better and runs faster and is a better finisher than Sochan. He's more athletic.

[BatManu20]

Jeff: You worked out with the Spurs ahead of the NBA Draft. How was that?

Jeremy: I think it went well. It was a good group of people, and players. It was really competitive but we played really well.


Jeff: What was the feedback you got from the Spurs?

Jeremy: The feedback was pretty good. They stayed in contact. They've asked for a few other things. I feel like it is an exciting place.

Jeff: How do you think you'd fit in San Antonio should they select you?

Jeremy: I think I'd fit really well with the Spurs' style of play. Also, just with the young core, I think I fit really well in that!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

See - a normal person giving an ordinary interview and saying the right things. Who the hell is advising Sharpe? Kyrie?

[JPB]

Would be fine with Sochan, but I'd still pick Duren over him. Jalen looks like he'll hold his own and make his mark from day one. Tough, impact guy who'll hurt you and whose energy and determination have opponents know they wo'nt have an easy night. Big lob threat too.

Ok, maybe I'm extrepolating a bit but I have avery good feeling about the kid who's very mature already at only 18 (like TP was). Sochan looks like a good kid but maybe a bit too soft for team full of young, soft kids.

My bet is spurs pick Duren. Then in an ideal world, they trade up and get Sochan too. :smokin

[John B]

See - a normal person giving an ordinary interview and saying the right things. Who the hell is advising Sharpe? Kyrie?

Or it makes you think he doesn’t want to get picked, so he gets to the team advising him like the Spurs perhaps? :lol

[Maddog]

We got bigger problems than the warriors at this point. By the time this team is relevant again, GSW will be tanking again.

Right
The warriors are nearing the end of their shelf life.

[PhantomDashCam]

I have serious concerns about Sochan's ability to Defend at the next level...

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[timvp]

I have serious concerns about Sochan's ability to Defend at the next level...

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R.I.P. Sochan's ankles.

[rascal]

R.I.P. Sochan's ankles.

Sneakers are Spurs Fiesta colors.

[paperboy77]

Sneakers are Spurs Fiesta colors.

Wow, love that observation. Hope we pick this guy.

[Maddog]

I have serious concerns about Sochan's ability to Defend at the next level...

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That's some Harden level D

[Maddog]

I have serious concerns about Sochan's ability to Defend at the next level...

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In all seriousness the spurs should really take a longer look at that kid.
Good handles, enough burst to separate even against NBA level talent. Not afraid to go to the rim.
Also good chance their growth plates haven't closed

[Gagnrath]

What determines high basketball IQ? How do you know his basketball IQ?

Is this a label put on defensive minded players(those guys have high basketball IQ) but not on offensive minded players(those guys are street ballers)?

The Spurs need a couple of high athletic street ballers who can drop 25 points a night and bring excitement on the offensive side of the ball.

Typically high basketball intelligence is a term used for players who show good anticipation on both sides of the ball, moving to the right place to cut off passes and or move to help defense, moving to a good spot for a kick out/ outlet pass especially if you can pull defenders out of position, if a trailer on a fast break on offense go to the elbow allows you to keep defenders puts you in a good spot for board clean up. Basically if you naturally figure out where people are going to need to be and get there.

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In all seriousness the spurs should really take a longer look at that kid.
Good handles, enough burst to separate even against NBA level talent. Not afraid to go to the rim.
Also good chance their growth plates haven't closed

Primo replacement, no doubt.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol

[Ignazzz]

#10

[KingKev]

#10

haha the new Rodman.

[slick'81]

haha the new Rodman.

rodman jr baby!!! Already got the jersey ordered

[rascal]

rodman jr baby!!! Already got the jersey ordered

Rodman was a clown.

I hope this kid doesn't put a wedding dress on.

[MultiTroll]

Rodman was a clown.

I hope this kid doesn't put a wedding dress on.
He does often dress.....festively.

Please not another Rodman.

[slick'81]

He does often dress.....festively.

Please not another Rodman.

everyone compares him to rodman.hes more skilled and without the crazy

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWIr1iOWIAAPBvN?format=jpg&name=large

[rascal]

everyone compares him to rodman.hes more skilled and without the crazy

There's a little crazy there.