Big Board 4.0: Latest Intel on Who the Spurs Like

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/spurs-big-board-latest-intel-2022-nba-draft/

Max Christie shooting up the board is an interesting turn of events. I don't really understand the interest in MarJon Beauchamp but it sounds like it's for real.

[Degoat]

Thanks Timvp!! A lot of interesting stuff, I’ve long thought that Beauchamp would be a guy the spurs would be really intrigued in and the Max Christie stuff has had me with my eyebrows raised, it seemed like he had a promise from somebody because their hasn’t been a whole lot of info about him

[SAGirl]

Dyson Daniels struggles shooting are real. Thanks for the update.
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[T Park]

You watch Christie on film and the things he does well, he stays in front of his guy, he’s long disrupts a lot of shots, and he doesn’t foul. I mean you might as well describe the ideal Pop wing right there. Also like Timvp said, his form is terrific, a tad slow, seems to start from the stomach a tad but England can clean that up.

[T Park]

Thanks Timvp!! A lot of interesting stuff, I’ve long thought that Beauchamp would be a guy the spurs would be really intrigued in and the Max Christie stuff has had me with my eyebrows raised, it seemed like he had a promise from somebody because their hasn’t been a whole lot of info about him


Watching some stuff I’m more surprised we haven’t heard more TBh.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, Christie has a good bit too recommend him, a potentially good shooter and a willing defender. We kind of have that player already but the good character thing is important too.

This board has quieted down on Johnny Davis but I can absolutely see the pick, but wouldn't be stunned if he is already gone.

[Degoat]

With this intel I would say Lonnie is gone for good tbh there’s been lots of smoke that spurs are interested in several guards throughout this draft process. That intel on Duren has me believing he’s gonna be the pick at 9

[rankingtear]

Thanks Timvp! I taught Christie rise is a little overdue, he has two way potential at the wing. Tested really well at the combine but did not rise draft boards. Top 5 standing vert and top 10 lane agility. He is the most Primo guy in this draft. Wesley and Beauchamp are two guys that create NBA level separation with a lot of unrefined skills. You always consider these guys if you are a development team.

[Ariel]

I can see the appeal in Max Christie, he was one of my early favorites for 38. But given the surplus of picks we have, I'm leaning towards other interesting, but viable draft & stash prospects like Procida & Kamagate. Also surprised to see Kessler at 50. Granted, we pick 38, but even at that range he should be at the very least a useful role player, although likely limited to specific match ups.

I'm still hopeful we can land a second late lottery - mid teens pick, and come away with some combination of a bigs (Sochan/Duren/Eason), wings/guards (Mathurin/Jalen Williams/Johnny Davis) + some swing at upside and scoring (Blake Wesley/Jaden Hardy). That and a stash at 38 (Procida/Kamagate) would be incredible.

[Russ]

Great compilation timvp!

Nice to see Malaki Branham and Gabriele Procida moving up.

[Mr. Body]

I'm preparing for a Max Christie / Josh Minott draft.

[T Park]

Yeah, Christie has a good bit too recommend him, a potentially good shooter and a willing defender. We kind of have that player already but the good character thing is important too.

This board has quieted down on Johnny Davis but I can absolutely see the pick, but wouldn't be stunned if he is already gone.

Like pitching in baseball, can never have enough shooting. Can easily see Christie in for Walker and that being an upgrade. Hit the weight room and tighten the shot up.

[T Park]

Thanks Timvp! I taught Christie rise is a little overdue, he has two way potential at the wing. Tested really well at the combine but did not rise draft boards. Top 5 standing vert and top 10 lane agility. He is the most Primo guy in this draft. Wesley and Beauchamp are two guys that create NBA level separation with a lot of unrefined skills. You always consider these guys if you are a development team.

What’s funny his verticals doesn’t really show in the tape, he kind of struggles finishing at the rim.

[heyheymymy]

solid content LJ, thanks

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

anyone else getting less excited about this draft for the spurs by the day?

[slick'81]

anyone else getting less excited about this draft for the spurs by the day?


if they make no deals or draft a project like primo@9 who wont help this coming season then yes.

[Mr. Body]

anyone else getting less excited about this draft for the spurs by the day?

It's inevitable in some ways. It's fun to speculate on a range of players and imagine how fun it'd be to watch them play and improve the team. When the draft becomes an actual thing it has to diminish the enjoyment.

[TD 21]

The Christie news isn't the least bit surprising (similar story to Houstan and Spurs like qualities), but the Beauchamp news is.

Agreed on Branham. Still can't see them drafting either Duren or Eason though.

[TimmehC]

Thanks timvp for continuing to update this. If you're plugged in, I wonder if you have any inkling on the likelihood of trades. This particular big board gives me 'trade down' vibes but idk.

[RC_Drunkford]

I just hope to see a lot of movement from the Spurs. If they draft a bunch of unathletic high character guys I'ma lose it

[Dejounte]

First time looking at Max

in a lot of ways, he reminds me of Johnny Davis with less touches on offense

so you wonder if someone like Davis is who he is because of his team’s circumstance and him being given the reign to be the go to guy on offense

Max is a value pick if they see him becoming the same or better than JD (who is not that impressive to begin with)

the skillset on offense is nearly the same.

[duncan2150]

I think that Christie has a really good potential 6'6 6'9 wingspan good shooter tough the numbers were low. Not a bad athlete also. Will be a good late pick imo.

[Dejounte]

I don’t see them not drafting a PF/C with one of their FRPs

so if the love for Christie is real, then Jalen is out and they’ll go for a PF or C with that other pick

this is all assuming they DONT use all three FRPs. If they do keep 9, 20, and 25, then I guess drafting two wings (with different skillsets) is possible.

[rankingtear]

What’s funny his verticals doesn’t really show in the tape, he kind of struggles finishing at the rim.

Lack of strength is one of the reasons. Play style maybe another. You see it in shot contest and rebounds.

[duncan2150]

I don’t see them not drafting a PF/C with one of their FRPs



I think the same from the beggining of this draft process but maybe they want to go hard at bigs in FA ( Ayton, Bamba, J Smith....)

[Dejounte]

I think the same from the beggining of this draft process but maybe they want to go hard at bigs in FA ( Ayton, Bamba, J Smith....)

Just to be clear, if the Spurs only had one FRP then my opinion changes. I don’t think they necessarily go for a PF/C if they had only one pick.

[duncan2150]

Just to be clear, if the Spurs only had one FRP then my opinion changes. I don’t think they necessarily go for a PF/C if they had only one pick.

I undestand, we're ok if they draft 3 players at least one will be a PF/C.

[John B]

Thanks Timvp.

The heavy on the guard could be just an insurance in case Lonnie gets a bigger offer. But I think they’d sign him back if the numbers are right. It’s just what the Spurs mostly do with their FRP’s.

I’m curious about the Coach Brown-Duren connection if he’s really that good not to miss. Still I rather they chase Myles Turner as I want another picks combinations at 9 and 20/25.

I’m still for Davis at 9 because I feel he is the BPA with the best fit and need go-to scorer and point-of-attack defender, plus huge leadership/character/competitor.

The list of PF’s is a good indicator that Spurs are trying to address that defensive weakness at 4. I still like Sochan, Eason, LaRavia and Liddell, again only after drafting Davis at 9.

While Procida remains my biggest suspect at international candidate. I’d prefer Jovic or Dieng if they’re so willing to get stashed, because of the size and natural skills. Dieng scares me a bit because of his tendency to avoid contacts finishing at the rim. He gives me that Diaw vibes, including the laissez faire approach to basketball, oozing with talent but short on motor at times.

I’d be glued on the screen come Thursday, and awaits the yearly ST bichin the following day :lol

[The Truth #6]

Max Christie: I tend to think the Spurs overvalue these good character guys, because they’re usually soft, but I can understand wanting to avoid bad characters, obviously. He has challenges finishing at the rim it sounds like. I hope this won’t mean more assertiveness training. I’m kind of done with that, but I think that’s the trade off for their type of player. I don’t know. We’ll see.

[mo7888]

I don’t see them not drafting a PF/C with one of their FRPs

so if the love for Christie is real, then Jalen is out and they’ll go for a PF or C with that other pick

this is all assuming they DONT use all three FRPs. If they do keep 9, 20, and 25, then I guess drafting two wings (with different skillsets) is possible.

I'm starting to think there's a real chance that #9 is the pick we end up trading with all the Minott and Christie talk...

[The Truth #6]

I'm starting to think there's a real chance that #9 is the pick we end up trading with all the Minott and Christie talk...

If so, that’s taking a long road and most likely not trading for ready now players unless they have a different opinion of our players then I do. But hard to say what is real or not at this point.

[mo7888]

If so, that’s taking a long road and most likely not trading for ready now players unless they have a different opinion of our players then I do. But hard to say what is real or not at this point.

I think if we trade #9 it's for a starting caliber player...not future draft capital..

[KingKev]

The Spurs really pigeon hole players and themselves with their character criteria. The pendulum needs to swing back to drafting talent over character for me to see this as a successful draft.

[duncan2150]

I'm starting to think there's a real chance that #9 is the pick we end up trading with all the Minott and Christie talk...

everything is possible but i think the spurs are targeting some players at 9, i don't see a scenario where they trade the pick except for moving up ( unlikely).

[BatManu20]

Funny enough I was just watching Max Christie videos earlier this week and thinking that he was the kind of guy the Spurs are usually interested in. Using a FRP on him would be hard to swallow though. Still think we trade 20 + 25 to move up into the teens though. Unless he’s available at 38, I don’t see it happening.

[DPG21920]

Based on this, I dont see how SA could have Dyson over Johnny Davis….I mean, I like Dyson, but is he so much better defensively that you have him over Johnny? I dont know.

SA will have to move up for Mauthrin. That much is crystal clear.

[CGD]

Based on this, I dont see how SA could have Dyson over Johnny Davis….I mean, I like Dyson, but is he so much better defensively that you have him over Johnny? I dont know.

SA will have to move up for Mauthrin. That much is crystal clear.

Great write up. Seems like at least two of the guys you profile for the later picks are reasonable facsimiles of Davis. It makes me wonder if they’re serious about a big at 9, as rumored, while also hoping to get a 85% version of Davis at 20.

Agree on Mathurin. Dude ain’t falling to 9 at this point.

[DPG21920]

My top 4 realistic as of today I think: Mathurin, Sochan, Johnny and Dyson. Duren and Sharpe would be in the “I trust the spurs” range too if they happened. I think I prefer one of those 4-6 guys.

There are others, but that is my preference, in order at the moment. I also personally do not think Mathurin or Sochan will be there at 9 either. So its Johnny, Dyson, Duren/Sharpe for me.

[exstatic]

if they make no deals or draft a project like primo@9 who wont help this coming season then yes.

Whoever we get will probably be a project, so be kind of prepared for it.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Re the Larry Brown endorsement of Duren...maybe pump the breaks. It was Larry Brown who highly recommended Jackie Butler to the Spurs, which proved to have been a disastrous move which ultimately cost us Scola to get rid of Butler. So maybe caveat emptor with any of Brown's recommendations. He's in his 80s now and maybe the games passed him by. For the record, I do think Duren will be a very good player and wouldn't be upset if we drafted him.

[T Park]

Re the Larry Brown endorsement of Duren...maybe pump the breaks. It was Larry Brown who highly recommended Jackie Butler to the Spurs, which proved to have been a disastrous move which ultimately cost us Scola to get rid of Butler. So maybe caveat emptor with any of Brown's recommendations. He's in his 80s now and maybe the games passed him by. For the record, I do think Duren will be a very good player and wouldn't be upset if we drafted him.

One bad talent eval doesn’t erase everything else.

[couchman]

I’m coming around on Duren. The thing about Duren is he seems like the safest bet at 9 to be a contributor, even if he doesn’t develop much from the current product. Everyone else has question marks to get there, even if they have a higher potential upside. Maturin remains the most realistic guy I’d love to get if we can swing a reasonable trade to move up.

[Degoat]

Spurs guys……. Keegan Murray, Johnny Davis. Dyson Daniels, Mark Williams, Jalen Williams, Malaki Branham, Jeremy Sochan

Non Spurs guys…… Just my opinion (based off personality) Shaedon Sharpe, Benn Mathurin, Jalen Duren, Ousmane Dieng, AJ griffin


those Non spurs guys might end up as the pick but when you listen to interviews I’m not sure they scream spurs to me.

[RC_Drunkford]

First time looking at Max

in a lot of ways, he reminds me of Johnny Davis with less touches on offense

so you wonder if someone like Davis is who he is because of his team’s circumstance and him being given the reign to be the go to guy on offense

Max is a value pick if they see him becoming the same or better than JD (who is not that impressive to begin with)

the skillset on offense is nearly the same.


that's basically how I feel about Davis/Sochan vs. Christie/Minott. There might not be that much of a difference down the line between the guys mocked in the top 10 and the other ones in the 20s

[rankingtear]

The Spurs really pigeon hole players and themselves with their character criteria. The pendulum needs to swing back to drafting talent over character for me to see this as a successful draft.

They got burned by Luka and Metu. Ignored character for raw talent with size.

[Ariel]

They got burned by Luka and Metu. Ignored character for raw talent with size.
That narrative is BS. They may have had interesting TRAITS, but by no means were they proven TALENT. The only talent that burned us for character related issues is Kawhi. The rest is people's hopes projected onto raw prospects that were not all that good to begin with. Talent does not come behind character, let's drop that notion.

[BatManu20]

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[spurs10]

Big thanks timvp! I'll use this as a template when looking into prospective players for us, as I don't know much about these guys. Also appreciate the videos folks are posting. It's an exciting draft for us.

[Degoat]

I wonder how much trade interest there is in guys like Josh Richardson/Doug McDermott

[rascal]

The Spurs really pigeon hole players and themselves with their character criteria. The pendulum needs to swing back to drafting talent over character for me to see this as a successful draft.

OK City is trying to trade up from 12 to get Sharpe. They don't see any problem with him.

[rascal]

They got burned by Luka and Metu. Ignored character for raw talent with size.

Those guys didn't have talent. Those were just bad draft picks.

[Twisted_Dawg]

One bad talent eval doesn’t erase everything else.

Larry Brown begged and pleaded with management to trade for Sidney Green. After Green had been here a week, Brown went to management and said he didn't like Green and to get rid of him.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Larry Brown begged and pleaded with management to trade for Sidney Green. After Green had been here a week, Brown went to management and said he didn't like Green and to get rid of him.

he could have been right both times tbh

[Uriel]

Can’t wait for the servers to crash once Max Christie is picked at #9 :lmao

In all seriousness though, I can’t remember the last time the Spurs picked a prospect with more than one or two pages in SpursTalk at the time he was drafted.

[tonight...you]

Can’t wait for the servers to crash once Max Christie is picked at #9 :lmao

In all seriousness though, I can’t remember the last time the Spurs picked a prospect with more than one or two pages in SpursTalk at the time he was drafted.
You're right, 'cause the servers kept crashing.
I'm just going to avoid this site till the next day.

[objective]

Re the Larry Brown endorsement of Duren...maybe pump the breaks. It was Larry Brown who highly recommended Jackie Butler to the Spurs, which proved to have been a disastrous move which ultimately cost us Scola to get rid of Butler. So maybe caveat emptor with any of Brown's recommendations. He's in his 80s now and maybe the games passed him by. For the record, I do think Duren will be a very good player and wouldn't be upset if we drafted him.

I don't remember how much Brown factored into Butler, but I remember more that it was John Hollinger who the Spurs were paying as a consultant who recommended him based on his stats.

[duncan2150]

I don't remember how much Brown factored into Butler, but I remember more that it was John Hollinger who the Spurs were paying as a consultant who recommended him based on his stats.

And he was just a fa not a spurs pick.

[rankingtear]

That narrative is BS. They may have had interesting TRAITS, but by no means were they proven TALENT. The only talent that burned us for character related issues is Kawhi. The rest is people's hopes projected onto raw prospects that were not all that good to begin with. Talent does not come behind character, let's drop that notion.

If they don't pan out because of character related flaws they are just bad draft picks got it.

[objective]

Christie as a shooter who can't shoot is giving me Luka flashbacks

[scott]

Spurs guys……. Keegan Murray, Johnny Davis. Dyson Daniels, Mark Williams, Jalen Williams, Malaki Branham, Jeremy Sochan

Non Spurs guys…… Just my opinion (based off personality) Shaedon Sharpe, Benn Mathurin, Jalen Duren, Ousmane Dieng, AJ griffin


those Non spurs guys might end up as the pick but when you listen to interviews I’m not sure they scream spurs to me.

Why do you think Mathurin or Griffin are not Spurs guys? Both seem like it to me. I want the former, not the latter.

[scott]

Can’t wait for the servers to crash once Max Christie is picked at #9 :lmao

In all seriousness though, I can’t remember the last time the Spurs picked a prospect with more than one or two pages in SpursTalk at the time he was drafted.

I'm really starting to get this feeling...

[The Truth #6]

Christie as a shooter who can't shoot is giving me Luka flashbacks

That, plus why are we looking for diamonds in the rough at pick 9? Or at least, let’s hope they aren’t dumpster diving for bargains at #9.

[tim_duncan_fan]

We need an actual hooper who shows some leadership potential and moxie, almost regardless of position. Who is the closest to being that in our range?

[BackHome]

That would probably be Johnny Davis as he plays to win and he plays hard on offense and defense. Another guy would be Sochan has he is like the QB of defense always talking with his team mates and telling them where to be and just plays hard

[Degoat]

Why do you think Mathurin or Griffin are not Spurs guys? Both seem like it to me. I want the former, not the latter.

They’re on the bumble to be fair, Mathurin oozes with confidence and made a comment about being the best player in the league in a couple of years which I love but that ain’t Spursy. AJ griffin is a Jesus freak

[exstatic]

Can’t wait for the servers to crash once Max Christie is picked at #9 :lmao

In all seriousness though, I can’t remember the last time the Spurs picked a prospect with more than one or two pages in SpursTalk at the time he was drafted.

Vassell was well discussed.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I have decided that if there is no one to draft who we realistically think we can look to in a year and a half and say, "go get me a bucket," I am more than content to wait on Jalen Duren to grow up.

There is a likelihood of him being better than what Jak is sooner rather than later at the least, and he is still only like 12 years old with a big body set to get monstrous. He shows potential as a passer, shooter near the basket, and intimidator.

Call Timmy's bumming-it-up ass up to teach Duren some post offense, and call it a day.

[mo7888]

They’re on the bumble to be fair, Mathurin oozes with confidence and made a comment about being the best player in the league in a couple of years which I love but that ain’t Spursy. AJ griffin is a Jesus freak

Makes me like them both more...we could use more confidence and conviction..

[objective]

That, plus why are we looking for diamonds in the rough at pick 9? Or at least, let’s hope they aren’t dumpster diving for bargains at #9.

It might be worth it as a diamond in the rough if he showed potential at doing anything else.

I haven't seen anything in videos that showed off anything except shooting and missing and some decent defense.

His tools are average.

He doesn't attack the rim or get to the line or play above the rim.

He doesn't playmake or operate in the pick and roll in the limited amount of stuff I watched.

He's not a defensive monster who wreaks havoc and generates events like blocks or steals at a noteworthy rate.

At least Primo hit shots at a high rate

[The Truth #6]

Obviously I’m all in on Eason. So what’s more useful: teaching Eason patience and allow him to learn team basketball to go along with his NBA ready body and dominant physical skills, or draft a younger guy (in this weird world, that means 18 months younger) and hope for him to fill out his frame and become aggressive?

[Mugen]

The last thing this organization needs is to be listening to somebody OLDER than Pop, jesus :lmao

[Thomas82]

I have decided that if there is no one to draft who we realistically think we can look to in a year and a half and say, "go get me a bucket," I am more than content to wait on Jalen Duren to grow up.

There is a likelihood of him being better than what Jak is sooner rather than later at the least, and he is still only like 12 years old with a big body set to get monstrous. He shows potential as a passer, shooter near the basket, and intimidation.

Call Timmy's bumming-it-up ass up to teach Duren some post offense, and call it a day.

Sounds like a plan to me.

[Ariel]

That, plus why are we looking for diamonds in the rough at pick 9? Or at least, let’s hope they aren’t dumpster diving for bargains at #9.
IMO that's the biggest risk: trying to outsmart ourselves. The swing for the fences type picks flopped (Samanic) or are yet to show anything of note (Primo), while those who did work out were actually the ones involving players who consensus had going higher (DM, KJ), and happened to fall into our lap. In fact, we PASSED on Keldon Johnson once, and unexpectedly lucked into finding him again at 29 with the second pick.

Every time we passed on a player that consensus would have us take (Haliburton in 2020, Sengun in 2021), our choices actually fared worse, and in all cases where our picks outperformed their rank, we were relegated to a passive role and no choice but to let the board do the filtering for us. So yes, I am concerned that we fall into that temptation again, believing we can sweep through the mud to find that hidden gem no one else sees, likely because it's not there, and miss the value in front of our noses.

[objective]

Obviously I’m all in on Eason. So what’s more useful: teaching Eason patience and allow him to learn team basketball to go along with his NBA ready body and dominant physical skills, or draft a younger guy (in this weird world, that means 18 months younger) and hope for him to fill out his frame and become aggressive?

After watching that 2 hour long film session I thought that Eason was too wild, too unskilled, and too selfish or dim or raw.

But after thinking about it, no one is better at swagger jacking than Pop. He can turn confident brash young men into timid wallflowers better than anyone. Maybe that's just what Eason needs.

[Degoat]

If not Johnny Davis or Mathurin at 9, it makes a ton of sense to go Duren or Mark Williams

[The Truth #6]

After watching that 2 hour long film session I thought that Eason was too wild, too unskilled, and too selfish or dim or raw.

But after thinking about it, no one is better at swagger jacking than Pop. He can turn confident brash young men into timid wallflowers better than anyone. Maybe that's just what Eason needs.

To flip that around, he dominated while playing very unstructured; imagine how much he could improve with more training and seasoning? This gets to the core of what I think is crazy about scouting philosophy: for example, people think Duren is better because he’s younger and hasn’t done much yet, but could possibly, basically, whereas Eason is just as athletic, has a better NBA physique for a position-less league, has actually put up impressive analytical stats, and yet Duren is rated higher in every board. He has a much smaller role because he plays a less important position so his bbiq isn’t questioned, yet somehow people assume he will make a leap?

[Uriel]

Vassell was well discussed.
Yeah, he was the last one I can remember that was well discussed, along with maybe Samanic. Many of the others though were barely discussed at the time they were drafted, from George Hill to Cory Joseph to Derrick White to Josh Primo.

[Ditty]

9) Sochan
20) Jalen Williams
25) Christie

is what I’m feeling from the Spurs.

[Uriel]

It’s easy for us to say that the Spurs value character too much and they should draft for talent, regardless of character. But we’re not the ones who have to deal with those guys everyday in the locker room, in the gym, on the court, so it’s easy for us to say that.

[T Park]

Larry Brown begged and pleaded with management to trade for Sidney Green. After Green had been here a week, Brown went to management and said he didn't like Green and to get rid of him.


Hey he was right the second time so he’s batting 500. LFG

[T Park]

OK City is trying to trade up from 12 to get Sharpe. They don't see any problem with him.

The same franchise that drafted the anorexic Drago too. Sharpe is an assclown.

[mudyez]

I don't care about #9, as long as we end up with Christie and Dieng at #20 and #25. :downspin:

But well...Dyson Daniels would be really nice.

[C-Dub]

09 - Sochan
20 - Christie
25 - Procida
38 - J. Will (PF/C)

[objective]

To flip that around, he dominated while playing very unstructured; imagine how much he could improve with more training and seasoning? This gets to the core of what I think is crazy about scouting philosophy: for example, people think Duren is better because he’s younger and hasn’t done much yet, but could possibly, basically, whereas Eason is just as athletic, has a better NBA physique for a position-less league, has actually put up impressive analytical stats, and yet Duren is rated higher in every board. He has a much smaller role because he plays a less important position so his bbiq isn’t questioned, yet somehow people assume he will make a leap?

Eason has a giant usage that he won't get in SA, and how he reacts when he doesn't get the ball much, or how Pop and his teammates react to him asserting himself and trying to dominate possessions will be interesting.

But like I said, maybe Pop can reel him in.

Lonnie was a carefree, smiling, fun, walk his own path, look at my hair, one man rally, take on the world, trying to get crazy dunks guy who talked up life being a hologram.

Four seasons with Pop turned him into a shuffling, mumbling, looks like everyone else, head down, morose guy who is in touch with his feelings and trauma who doesn't make shots anymore.

Eason will be too depressed to try and monopolize the game and gamble for steals and blocks only to get fouls. So in a way he'd be less of a liability.

[The Truth #6]

^ The fit will be possibly be a challenge, for sure. And Pop will not change his regimented approach. But whoever we draft, the Spurs’ developmental arc is something like 5-6 years in my opinion; it doesn’t happen quickly. At least Eason can contribute defensively immediately and much of his offense is in transition and bullying players. He will have to adapt to NBA athletes. But I still see that as a more viable path then drafting anyone who can’t play defense and suffering through that process again. To me it’s not even worth it, for the Spurs team at least. And we aren’t getting transcendent offensive talent at pick #9, so I keep coming back to Eason, basically.

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IMO that's the biggest risk: trying to outsmart ourselves. The swing for the fences type picks flopped (Samanic) or are yet to show anything of note (Primo), while those who did work out were actually the ones involving players who consensus had going higher (DM, KJ), and happened to fall into our lap. In fact, we PASSED on Keldon Johnson once, and unexpectedly lucked into finding him again at 29 with the second pick.

Every time we passed on a player that consensus would have us take (Haliburton in 2020, Sengun in 2021), our choices actually fared worse, and in all cases where our picks outperformed their rank, we were relegated to a passive role and no choice but to let the board do the filtering for us. So yes, I am concerned that we fall into that temptation again, believing we can sweep through the mud to find that hidden gem no one else sees, likely because it's not there, and miss the value in front of our noses.

Great post. Wholeheartedly agree.

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9) Sochan
20) Jalen Williams
25) Christie

is what I’m feeling from the Spurs.

I'd be exstatic with Sochan at 9 but I don't think PATFO is leaning that way based on LJ's intel from sources in the mock draft 4.0

I'm not big on Duren where lots of people see us going, so Sochan would make me beyond thrilled. Sochan's defense alongside Poeltl and his ability to replace Poeltl in the PnR game and actually be a rim destroyer would make this team much better day 1. That said Sochan isn't even my top selection by far depending on availability.

I'm getting more anxious by the day we screw this up again this year. Sigh.

[Degoat]

I think #9 will be Johnny Davis, Jalen Williams, Or Malaki Branham.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1538901867845017605

[Degoat]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1538901867845017605

Y’all think he’s legit? Or stealing Timvps work?

[duncan2150]

Y’all think he’s legit? Or stealing Timvps work?

good question

[rascal]

It’s easy for us to say that the Spurs value character too much and they should draft for talent, regardless of character. But we’re not the ones who have to deal with those guys everyday in the locker room, in the gym, on the court, so it’s easy for us to say that.

There are no bad guy criminals in the draft just the perception some are not worthy of drafting from an ultra conservative fan base on Spurs Talk.

Spurs who are lacking in athleticism and overall talent on the team are in no position to let high upside talent go for perceived good character players with less athleticism and less upside.

[rascal]

I'd be exstatic with Sochan at 9 but I don't think PATFO is leaning that way based on LJ's intel from sources in the mock draft 4.0

I'm not big on Duren where lots of people see us going, so Sochan would make me beyond thrilled. Sochan's defense alongside Poeltl and his ability to replace Poeltl in the PnR game and actually be a rim destroyer would make this team much better day 1. That said Sochan isn't even my top selection by far depending on availability.

I'm getting more anxious by the day we screw this up again this year. Sigh.

If Sochan and Poeltl are on the floor together you won't have a big who can play away from the basket on offense as both shoot at a low % on the perimeter. Too much is looked in here defensively without regarding what you're getting on the offensive side.

Concentrating on what players bring on defense and not offense is playing to lose. You need to score to win. A good defense won't stop a good offense in basketball. It's too easy for the top teams to score.

[RC_Drunkford]

If Sochan and Poeltl are on the floor together you won't have a big who can play away from the basket on offense as both shoot at a low % on the perimeter. Too much is looked in here defensively without regarding what you're getting on the offensive side.

Concentrating on what players bring on defense and not offense is playing to lose. You need to score to win. A good defense won't stop a good offense in basketball. It's too easy for the top teams to score.

I think that‘s where the Myles Turner talks are coming from. Turner‘s 3-Point shooting would fix the spacing issues

[mo7888]

There are no bad guy criminals in the draft just the perception some are not worthy of drafting from an ultra conservative fan base on Spurs Talk.

Spurs who are lacking in athleticism and overall talent on the team are in no position to let high upside talent go for perceived good character players with less athleticism and less upside.

It's not that simple... there are degrees of character issues and degrees of upside talent relative to less upside players. Sharpe is falling in every teams eyes and rightly so but some of that is subterfuge. People talk like he's falling out of the lottery based on very bad interviews but the reality is most likely that he's simply falling into the mid to late lottery because the risk is mitigated at that slot based on a very high upside.

[timvp]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1538901867845017605

:wakeup

[BatManu20]

Y’all think he’s legit? Or stealing Timvps work?

There’s a lot of people online that are “hearing rumors” from their “sources.” 95% of it is bullshit. They’re just regurgitating stuff they see on here or something they saw on Twitter from another bullshit source. Spurs run a tight ship it won’t let much, if any, news slip out. It’s timvp or bust tbh.

[slick'81]

There’s a lot of people online that are “hearing rumors” from their “sources.” 95% of it is bullshit. They’re just regurgitating stuff they see on here or something they saw on Twitter from another bullshit source. Spurs run a tight ship it won’t let much, if any, news slip out. It’s timvp or bust tbh.

and he hd no idea about primo last year

[BackHome]

Yeah, I don't trust rumors that mainly comes from Agents who are trying to market there client

[Uriel]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1538901867845017605
Reminds me of when the Spurs were rumored to be interested in Larry Nance and the Lakers swooped in and took him.

[objective]

Y’all think he’s legit? Or stealing Timvps work?

DOUBT.

The Spurs related corner of the internet is nothing without copying from Spurstalk.

Multiple times people on RealGM have ripped off my threads and posts. And I don't just mean a general idea or interesting stat. I mean long ass 5-10 paragraph copy-paste jobs.

And those who were around at the time remember ESPN insider ripping off timvp.

I don't think I've ever seen any original thought or interesting take that wasn't first on ST, or at least simultaneous and independently on ST

[KingKev]

DOUBT.

The Spurs related corner of the internet is nothing without copying from Spurstalk.

Multiple times people on RealGM have ripped off my threads and posts. And I don't just mean a general idea or interesting stat. I mean long ass 5-10 paragraph copy-paste jobs.

And those who were around at the time remember ESPN insider ripping off timvp.

I don't think I've ever seen any original thought or interesting take that wasn't first on ST, or at least simultaneous and independently on ST

Most of the garbage from PTR (it is 99% garbage) stems from here.

[RC_Drunkford]

DOUBT.

The Spurs related corner of the internet is nothing without copying from Spurstalk.

Multiple times people on RealGM have ripped off my threads and posts. And I don't just mean a general idea or interesting stat. I mean long ass 5-10 paragraph copy-paste jobs.

And those who were around at the time remember ESPN insider ripping off timvp.

I don't think I've ever seen any original thought or interesting take that wasn't first on ST, or at least simultaneous and independently on ST

well that means we have a lot of good takes I guess :lol

[Mr. Body]

I have to say, I'm not impressed by the brain trust over at Pounding the Rock's comment sections:

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2022/6/20/23162385/building-the-spurs-back-into-a-contender-starts-with-the-2022-nba-draft#comments

[Uriel]

All signs point to Jalen Duren being the pick. From Larry Brown advising the team to draft him to the Spurs being widely regarded to want to draft a center to the team asking Duren not to reveal his workout with them.

[timvp]

and he hd no idea about primo last year

Tbh, I posted about Primo to the Spurs talk minutes before last draft ... but I assumed the talk was regarding Primo to the Spurs in the second round, not 12th overall. :lol :cry :lol

I think I've learned my lesson this time around but, then again, I still won't be ready for the Spurs taking a Max Christie or a Dalen Terry at 9.

[timvp]

Re the Larry Brown endorsement of Duren...maybe pump the breaks. It was Larry Brown who highly recommended Jackie Butler to the Spurs, which proved to have been a disastrous move which ultimately cost us Scola to get rid of Butler. So maybe caveat emptor with any of Brown's recommendations. He's in his 80s now and maybe the games passed him by. For the record, I do think Duren will be a very good player and wouldn't be upset if we drafted him.

This was word for word my thoughts when I heard that LB was endorsing Duren. The Jackie Butler recommendation and subsequent Scola trade to dump his contract still hurts.

[PhantomDashCam]

All signs point to Jalen Duren being the pick. From Larry Brown advising the team to draft him to the Spurs being widely regarded to want to draft a center to the team asking Duren not to reveal his workout with them.

FWIW, I read somewhere that Dieng shares the same agency I believe as Duren and he too was mum on workouts with any teams.
I'm still saying that Dieng will be the selection at #9, as Dejounte called it early on the value of 'Cs' as lottery picks and timvp later reiterated it in subsequent articles.

[Twisted_Dawg]

This was word for word my thoughts when I heard that LB was endorsing Duren. The Jackie Butler recommendation and subsequent Scola trade to dump his contract still hurts.

Thank you for the validation.

[CGD]

Tbh, I posted about Primo to the Spurs talk minutes before last draft ... but I assumed the talk was regarding Primo to the Spurs in the second round, not 12th overall. :lol :cry :lol

I think I've learned my lesson this time around but, then again, I still won't be ready for the Spurs taking a Max Christie or a Dalen Terry at 9.

But Jalen Williams at 9 does seem like a possibility…

[JPB]

Duren (probably) won't be a all star but I really do'nt see any non center player who would be worth passing on him and what he brings at #9, in this pretty average draft. As expected, after a few weeks of irrational hype (mostly from agents) where every candidate was amazing or "intriguing", we're back to earth where many of these young players appear with flaws and there's no "no brainer" at #9.
.
Dieng? Please, nothing about the kid but he might end up as a fringe end of the bench player and will probably fall to the 20s. But it says about this draft that he's in the lottery discussion for some.

I stick to my man, Duren. Who doesn't want some Murray-Duren lob fiesta?

[barakz21]

I’m curious if there was anybody that the fans wanted, that the team loved and wanted to pick (and had the chance to
pick) but at the last second the team picked somebody else?

[Mr. Body]

I’m curious if there was anybody that the fans wanted, that the team loved and wanted to pick (and had the chance to
pick) but at the last second the team picked somebody else?

Two years ago, Haliburton. Last year, Sengun. As for team wishes, we rarely learn what the front office wants.

[The Truth #6]

Hopefully these players of interest are purposefully leaked to ensure our actual targets are still around. After drafting Primo, falsely pumping up cherubs like Christie and Houstan would be good deception. Unfortunately, doubt that’s the case.

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FWIW, I read somewhere that Dieng shares the same agency I believe as Duren and he too was mum on workouts with any teams.
I'm still saying that Dieng will be the selection at #9, as Dejounte called it early on the value of 'Cs' as lottery picks and timvp later reiterated it in subsequent articles.

Would *love* this but timvp said in this mock draft that Dieng has not been on their radar.

[Degoat]

Was reading an article that said a lot of guys that fall into the 2nd round will probably fall deep into the 2nd round because a lot of teams are asking prospects if they’d accept a 2-way deal and a lot of them are declining… if the spurs keep pick 38 it’ll definitely be a stash or someone we haven’t discussed that would accept a 2 way

[offset formation]

Duren (probably) won't be a all star but I really do'nt see any non center player who would be worth passing on him and what he brings at #9, in this pretty average draft. As expected, after a few weeks of irrational hype (mostly from agents) where every candidate was amazing or "intriguing", we're back to earth where many of these young players appear with flaws and there's no "no brainer" at #9.
.
Dieng? Please, nothing about the kid but he might end up as a fringe end of the bench player and will probably fall to the 20s. But it says about this draft that he's in the lottery discussion for some.

I stick to my man, Duren. Who doesn't want some Murray-Duren lob fiesta?

Sochan brings the lob game with MUCH better defensive switchibility. We need a PF more than a center provided Poeltl stays of course.

[rjv]

the players that will definitely be gone before the spurs pick (ninth) will be: smith, holmgren, banchero, ivey and murray. from, there it gets murky. dyson daniels could slip, davis could move up. sharpe could drop as well. i think mathurin and daniels are the most likely to be gone before the spurs pick but there's an outside shot at these two.and i think the spurs have a more than fair shot at sochan, davis, sharpe and duren. jalen williams, mark williams, griffin and dieng will be there.

[BatManu20]

Would *love* this but timvp said in this mock draft that Dieng has not been on their radar.

That’s exactly what a team that doesn’t want other teams to know that a player is on their radar would say…


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[objective]

This was word for word my thoughts when I heard that LB was endorsing Duren. The Jackie Butler recommendation and subsequent Scola trade to dump his contract still hurts.

I don't see the point of linking Brown with the Scola trade and that being a strike against Duren.. They had their chances to sign Scola multiple times but just weren't smart enough.

Their "Woe is us, Scola buyout too hard! He never NBA." routine blew up in their stupid faces when Morey near instantly signed him to the same deal that his agent was reportedly asking for forever.

[exstatic]

IMO that's the biggest risk: trying to outsmart ourselves. The swing for the fences type picks flopped (Samanic) or are yet to show anything of note (Primo), while those who did work out were actually the ones involving players who consensus had going higher (DM, KJ), and happened to fall into our lap. In fact, we PASSED on Keldon Johnson once, and unexpectedly lucked into finding him again at 29 with the second pick.

Every time we passed on a player that consensus would have us take (Haliburton in 2020, Sengun in 2021), our choices actually fared worse, and in all cases where our picks outperformed their rank, we were relegated to a passive role and no choice but to let the board do the filtering for us. So yes, I am concerned that we fall into that temptation again, believing we can sweep through the mud to find that hidden gem no one else sees, likely because it's not there, and miss the value in front of our noses.

Something that has come out in the last few months was that Haliburton WANTED to go to Sacto (WTF), and told other teams that.

[AFBlue]

Sochan brings the lob game with MUCH better defensive switchibility. We need a PF more than a center provided Poeltl stays of course.

Most assume Sochan is gone before the Spurs pick at #9. If both are there, I think Sochan is a no-brainer. But that isn't likely given he's getting looks as high as #4 and had dinner with Pels (#7) brass.

[Mr. Body]

Most assume Sochan is gone before the Spurs pick at #9. If both are there, I think Sochan is a no-brainer. But that isn't likely given he's getting looks as high as #4 and had dinner with Pels (#7) brass.

There's a lot of swing to Sochan right now. I'm seeing more drafts dropping him to 13 or so. I see a chance he goes before the Spurs but if he doesn't, then Washington, NYC are unlikely to take him.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I don't see the point of linking Brown with the Scola trade and that being a strike against Duren.. They had their chances to sign Scola multiple times but just weren't smart enough.

Their "Woe is us, Scola buyout too hard! He never NBA." routine blew up in their stupid faces when Morey near instantly signed him to the same deal that his agent was reportedly asking for forever.

Why not link Brown with the Scola trade? Had we not followed Brown's recommendation to sign Butler, we would've never had to include Scola as an inducement to take Butler. As far as the Spurs trying to sign Scola numerous times, that was never the case because Scola's agent stupidly allowed Scola to sign a contract with a European team. Look, the point is we need to be careful taking recommendations from the likes of guys like Larry Brown.

[AFBlue]

There's a lot of swing to Sochan right now. I'm seeing more drafts dropping him to 13 or so. I see a chance he goes before the Spurs but if he doesn't, then Washington, NYC are unlikely to take him.

I know there's a range for him, but I'm factoring positional depth (lower, relative to guard/wing) and valuing his differentiation as the most versatile defender in the draft. Just seems like a recipe for "riser" on draft night.

[exstatic]

Y’all think he’s legit? Or stealing Timvps work?

Wouldn't be the first time. Lookin' at you, Don Harris...

[rascal]

Most assume Sochan is gone before the Spurs pick at #9. If both are there, I think Sochan is a no-brainer. But that isn't likely given he's getting looks as high as #4 and had dinner with Pels (#7) brass.

If Sochan goes higher than 9 it will be to the Pels. But most likely will be there for the Spurs at 9.

[KingKev]

Sochan at 9 would be an absolute success. Will be easier to stomach the inevitable reach at 20/25.

[JPB]

Sochan brings the lob game with MUCH better defensive switchibility. We need a PF more than a center provided Poeltl stays of course.

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Sochan over Duren too but I just think he won't be there anymore.

[objective]

Why not link Brown with the Scola trade? Had we not followed Brown's recommendation to sign Butler, we would've never had to include Scola as an inducement to take Butler. As far as the Spurs trying to sign Scola numerous times, that was never the case because Scola's agent stupidly allowed Scola to sign a contract with a European team. Look, the point is we need to be careful taking recommendations from the likes of guys like Larry Brown.

Going back to the stories of the day, it was Dell Demps as a Knicks scout who was responsible for the Knicks signing him out of the CBA, then demps gets brought back to San Antonio to be the director of player personnel, Hollinger becomes a consultant, and when the Spurs wanted to sign Butler off of Demps and Hollinger, it was Pop who called Brown. Brown taking Pop's call about 2 weeks after he's been fired and only after after all the other Spurs paid employees and executives and consultants want butler signed is going to be held against Duren? One big fat guy failed and now the chiseled guy has to pay for it?

If Brown didn't say good things about Duren, would a lot of the same anti-Browners would flip the other way? "Can't take the kid, Larry Brown wouldn't recommend him, and he's a Hall of Fame coach!"

I could understand not factoring Brown's opinion at all, pro or con, due to him being an elderly man just sort of along for the ride on the Memphis bench.

Scola shouldn't factor into that. His agent said he needed a 3 year deal between 9-10 when the Spurs were screwing around, and that's what he got after the trade.

[AFBlue]

If Sochan goes higher than 9 it will be to the Pels. But most likely will be there for the Spurs at 9.

Could also go to the Blazers (or a trade partner) at #7.

[DPG21920]

Chinook would you be open to pick 11 + Fournier + Kemba into cap space if SA does not think they can land a Lavine, Ayton / Collins type?

[Chinook]

Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) would you be open to pick 11 + Fournier + Kemba into cap space if SA does not think they can land a Lavine, Ayton / Collins type?

The Spurs wouldn't know if they would have missed out on those guys before the draft. The 11th pick is nice, and Fournier and Walker could fill some holes in the rotation, but it's not enough to get me to agree before free agency. The Knicks might happen to draft the guy the Spurs would want at 11 and then trade that guy to SA in the summer once they struck out. But they could also draft a guy the Spurs don't want, which would tank the value.

[objective]

Sochan brings the lob game with MUCH better defensive switchibility. We need a PF more than a center provided Poeltl stays of course.

I wouldn't say Sochan brings the lob game, he's not really a vertically explosive athlete. I just watched a season highlight video by League Him that has about 54 or 55 of his 100 made field goals and only 2 were lob dunks and neither were skying well above the rim. Same 2 plays that were used by Coach Spins in his Box and One scouting video to posit him as a threat in the dunkers spot.

Which is true, if he's there then the play is there, but that's not the same as Duren, either in being involved in the action or catch radius, etc. Sochan as a lob threat I would put at the same level as Keita Bates Diop

[JPB]

Don't get me wrong, I'd take Sochan over Duren too but I just think he won't be there anymore.

To quote myself, a draft where spurs could somehow get both Duren and Sochan with #9 + trades (Poeltl/other players/picks) would be an helluvah success to me.. Not sure it's even remotely conceivable cos both are rising but we have two days left to dream.

[DPG21920]

The Spurs wouldn't know if they would have missed out on those guys before the draft. The 11th pick is nice, and Fournier and Walker could fill some holes in the rotation, but it's not enough to get me to agree before free agency. The Knicks might happen to draft the guy the Spurs would want at 11 and then trade that guy to SA in the summer once they struck out. But they could also draft a guy the Spurs don't want, which would tank the value.

I get that - im operating under assumption that Sa does know where they stand in fa as most teams do. I know that’s not legal but I think they know. If not? You’re right. Not passing on Ayton or Lavine for that

[John B]

To quote myself, a draft where spurs could somehow get both Duren and Sochan with #9 + trades (Poeltl/other players/picks) would be an helluvah success to me.. Not sure it's even remotely conceivable cos both are rising but we have two days left to dream.

That would be a pleasant change to our bigs dunking instead of getting dunked on

[T Park]

Y’all think he’s legit? Or stealing Timvps work?

Hes legit. First to break the New Jersey sponsor.

[timvp]

I don't see the point of linking Brown with the Scola trade and that being a strike against Duren.. They had their chances to sign Scola multiple times but just weren't smart enough.

Their "Woe is us, Scola buyout too hard! He never NBA." routine blew up in their stupid faces when Morey near instantly signed him to the same deal that his agent was reportedly asking for forever.

Oh, yeah, no, I don't hold the LB endorsement against Duren due to the Scola situation. If anything, the endorsement is a slight positive because it's better than LB telling the Spurs not to draft Duren.

Connecting it to Jackie Butler, I'd just hope the Spurs don't blindly pick Duren just because they trust LB more than any other source. That's unlikely the case at this point with LB being in his 80s so I'm not really worried about that.

For the record, I too was all for the Butler signing. I even remember making a thread where I crunched the numbers of all the center free agents and Butler came out on top. I would have been right next to LB, Hollinger and Demps suggesting the Spurs sign Butler :lol

The salary dumping was dumb because Butler's salary was so tiny. And Buford's handling of the Scola situation was easily the low point of his career. It's ridiculous to think that Buford spent time emailing Scola to tell him he wasn't rebounding enough in Europe -- when Scola was a leading rebounder there and was a top tier rebounder in the NBA. And then all that false outrage at Tau Ceramica claiming they wouldn't let Scola out of his deal. The Rockets exposed that lie days after trading for Scola.

[rascal]

I wouldn't say Sochan brings the lob game, he's not really a vertically explosive athlete. I just watched a season highlight video by League Him that has about 54 or 55 of his 100 made field goals and only 2 were lob dunks and neither were skying well above the rim. Same 2 plays that were used by Coach Spins in his Box and One scouting video to posit him as a threat in the dunkers spot.

Which is true, if he's there then the play is there, but that's not the same as Duren, either in being involved in the action or catch radius, etc. Sochan as a lob threat I would put at the same level as Keita Bates Diop

I think Spur fans are going to be really disappointed in Sochan's offensive game if they get him at 9. He was coming off the bench for a reason.

[John B]

I think Spur fans are going to be really disappointed in Sochan's offensive game if they get him at 9. He was coming off the bench for a reason.

If it’s Sochan, then Poeltl really has to go. I don’t see both of them on the court together.

But eventually, I think Sochan’s offense would be okay. He doesn’t really have bad shooting mechanics. Keldon’s was almost hitting the ceiling and I was always cringing when he was hurling those 3’s. But now the best 3pt shooter in the group.

[AFBlue]

I think Spur fans are going to be really disappointed in Sochan's offensive game if they get him at 9. He was coming off the bench for a reason.

I watched every Baylor game this year, and l wouldn't read anything into the fact that he was coming off the bench.

Jonathan Tchamua Tchachoua ("Everyday Jon") was a superior Center, but he came off the bench in favor of Flo Thamba. And their most potent pure scorer, LJ Cryer, also came off the bench. Sochan also stepped up his minutes and impact down the stretch as the aforementioned "Everyday Jon" tore his knee ligaments. He was also not asked to take on a scoring role in the offense, as it was guard-dominant; particularly with James Akinjo at point.

I'm not saying Jeremy is an offensive weapon, but he does have a good feel for the game and was one of the most impactful players on the team regardless of role.

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That would be a pleasant change to our bigs dunking instead of getting dunked on

I can still see Ja's nuts in Poeltl's face and Murray about 12 feet behind the play. We've simply got to get more athletic.

Biggest disappointment in taking Primo is his lack of forward explosiveness and lateral movement. Draft this year is crucial given we're about to be overflowing with youth, and much of it is absolutely behind the curve on the league's athletic chart.

[duncan2150]

Two years ago, Haliburton. Last year, Sengun. As for team wishes, we rarely learn what the front office wants.

I remember Sengun's Uncle saying it will be Orlando or SA for Alperen the draft day...

[John B]

I can still see Ja's nuts in Poeltl's face and Murray about 12 feet behind the play. We've simply got to get more athletic.

Biggest disappointment in taking Primo is his lack of forward explosiveness and lateral movement. Draft this year is crucial given we're about to be overflowing with youth, and much of it is absolutely behind the curve on the league's athletic chart.

My point exactly for taking a point-of-attack defender, besides the obvious hole at 4. Davis is arguably the best point-of-attack defender on this draft.

[Mr. Body]

Hearing that the Ayton for Anunoby package is heating up, take that as you will.

[slick'81]

Hearing that the Ayton for Anunoby package is heating up, take that as you will.

but those are our guys:depressed

[AFBlue]

Hearing that the Ayton for Anunoby package is heating up, take that as you will.

Would they want or need a third team? Any way for the Spurs to get involved that makes sense?

[BatManu20]

Brian Windhorst just now on ESPN said he’s hearing that the Blazers are no longer shopping the 7th pick and are now targeting Shaedon Sharpe at pick 7. Sounds like he has a promise from Portland, which would make sense since he just canceled his work out with the Wizards at #10.

[AFBlue]

My point exactly for taking a point-of-attack defender, besides the obvious hole at 4. Davis is arguably the best point-of-attack defender on this draft.

Does he have the requisite athleticism to be that guy in the NBA?

[Mr. Body]

Brian Windhorst just now on ESPN said he’s hearing that the Blazers are no longer shopping the 7th pick and are now targeting Shaedon Sharpe at pick 7. Sounds like he has a promise from Portland, which would make sense since he just canceled his work out with the Wizards at #10.

Splendid.

[AFBlue]

Brian Windhorst just now on ESPN said he’s hearing that the Blazers are no longer shopping the 7th pick and are now targeting Shaedon Sharpe at pick 7. Sounds like he has a promise from Portland, which would make sense since he just canceled his work out with the Wizards at #10.

To quote Forrest Gump, "That's good. One less thing."

[BatManu20]

No idea who this guy is but he tweeted this about an hour ago. No clue if he’s legit or not.

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Blazers working out Sharpe (and Dalen Terry) last week with Dame. Dame may have given the front office his blessing to take Sharpe after their workout.

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[PhantomDashCam]

I think Spur fans are going to be really disappointed in Sochan's offensive game if they get him at 9. He was coming off the bench for a reason.

From a scouting report of a well respected ‘draft guy’:


Why He’ll Succeed


Highly polished combo forward with an arsenal of complementary skills. One of the best 6’8’’+ passers in this class and an already dangerous spot up player. Has high level role player skills and the age + frame to easily envision developing into more.
Consistent track record of play in his semi-pro career overseas, his development has combined some of the best academy-level skill development of Europe with the athleticism and exposure to high-level talent of the American prep system.
Has forced his way into more and more minutes as the season has gone on for a very deep and talented Baylor team. An 18 year old supplanting fourth and fifth year returning players on the defending national champions is something to pay attention to.
Gritty defensive player with both good instincts and a great frame to build off of. Already proved himself to be the bane of an opposing fanbase during the UNC game this tournament, a role he will likely fulfill for whatever playoff teams he ends up on. A player opposing teams will become very tired of playing against in a 7 game series.

[Ariel]

Something that has come out in the last few months was that Haliburton WANTED to go to Sacto (WTF), and told other teams that.
Personally, unless we're talking about a headcase who you KNOW will make your life miserable (i.e. go Harden on you), if there is one player who is clearly above the rest, take him and deal with it. Haliburton may have liked Sacramento, but I doubt would have forced his way out of any team that would have drafted him. To me that seems more in line with a media spin by some team to cover their asses a succession of horrible draft choices.

I will also bring one pretty relevant example. Remember Steph? You know, the best shooter in history who just won his fourth championship... guess where he DIDN'T want to get drafted... Yup, that's right... he DIDN'T want to go to Golden State at 7, he wanted them to PASS on him so that he could go to NY at 8, and let them know. They took their guy regardless, proved they were his best option, and time took care of the rest.

[John B]

Does he have the requisite athleticism to be that guy in the NBA?

I don’t get where you think Davis is not athletic. The guy is 6’5 with 6’9 wingspan, averaged over 8 rebounds and almost a block a game. But importantly, Davis is ultra competitive and that’s something not easily measured. He is a pesky defender and would dive for the loose ball. Davis is one tough dog.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

I think Spur fans are going to be really disappointed in Sochan's offensive game if they get him at 9. He was coming off the bench for a reason.
Patrick Williams and Scottie Barnes also came off the bench

[KingKev]

I don’t get where you think Davis is not athletic. The guy is 6’5 with 6’9 wingspan, averaged over 8 rebounds and almost a block a game. But importantly, Davis is ultra competitive and that’s something not easily measured. He is a pesky defender and would dive for the loose ball. Davis is one tough dog.

He looks athletic enough for me. Sneaky bounce.

[BatManu20]

I don’t get where you think Davis is not athletic. The guy is 6’5 with 6’9 wingspan, averaged over 8 rebounds and almost a block a game. But importantly, Davis is ultra competitive and that’s something not easily measured. He is a pesky defender and would dive for the loose ball. Davis is one tough dog.

He measured in at just a hair under 6’6 with shoes on at the combine actually.

[BatManu20]

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[RC_Drunkford]

Brian Windhorst just now on ESPN said he’s hearing that the Blazers are no longer shopping the 7th pick and are now targeting Shaedon Sharpe at pick 7. Sounds like he has a promise from Portland, which would make sense since he just canceled his work out with the Wizards at #10.

that would be great, means somebody will fall to 9th

[rascal]

that would be great, means somebody will fall to 9th

He was expected to go inside the top 8.

Who do you think will fall who you weren't expecting to?

[SAGirl]

FWIW, I read somewhere that Dieng shares the same agency I believe as Duren and he too was mum on workouts with any teams.
I'm still saying that Dieng will be the selection at #9, as Dejounte called it early on the value of 'Cs' as lottery picks and timvp later reiterated it in subsequent articles.
I'd be super disappointed with that. I am not even pretending to be a great scout or anything, but Dieng could easily turn out to be Livio Jean Charles part 2. I hope to God I am wrong if he's drafted.

[TD 21]

Hearing that the Ayton for Anunoby package is heating up, take that as you will.

Source? Spurs should try . . .

Cavaliers receive: 20, 25
Raptors receive: Poeltl, Langford, 14
Spurs receive: Anunoby

[rascal]

Source? Spurs should try . . .

Cavaliers receive: 20, 25
Raptors receive: Poeltl, Langford, 14
Spurs receive: Anunoby

There will be a lot of player movement and The Spurs will be left outside watching it all.

Not expecting anything other than trading away pick 20 or 25 for a future lottery protected first round pick.

[rascal]

I'd be super disappointed with that. I am not even pretending to be a great scout or anything, but Dieng could easily turn out to be Livio Jean Charles part 2. I hope to God I am wrong if he's drafted.

I don't know what the fascination with Dieng is. He'd rather throw up floater shots avoiding contact instead of taking it strong to the basket. He looks soft.

[BatManu20]

I don't know what the fascination with Dieng is. He'd rather throw up floater shots avoiding contact instead of taking it strong to the basket. He looks soft.

Because he is soft. He’s French and a light-skin… he has no choice but to be soft :lol

[PhantomDashCam]

I'd be super disappointed with that. I am not even pretending to be a great scout or anything, but Dieng could easily turn out to be Livio Jean Charles part 2. I hope to God I am wrong if he's drafted.

Yeah I’d be disappointed too.
I might feel differently at 20, but we’d be leaving more realistic, long term contributors on the board at 9.

Do you have a horse in the race this year? I’m feeling Sochan overall based on a multitude of factors but not nearly as committed to a pick as last year.

[SAGirl]

Yeah I’d be disappointed too.
I might feel differently at 20, but we’d be leaving more realistic, long term contributors on the board at 9.

Do you have a horse in the race this year? I’m feeling Sochan overall based on a multitude of factors but not nearly as committed to a pick as last year.
I like Duren atm. I can’t pass up his upside at 18. I know only the superstar centers are worth building around, but in the search for someone to build around, peeps keep looking for a prototype scorer or wing, when possibly the player with the most upside at that spot is Duren.

Impressive physical tools, a foundation to be a contributor right away and a path to be better. It is a small chance he would turn into an all star but if he adds a jumpshot, a post game? He can. There is viability for it at least.

I see Duren as a teenager with a high floor. If he doesnt improve much, he’d still be a good player in the league with some experience, but one cant discount the possibility he adds a jumpshot and a better offensive game bc of his age and getting into a good development team young.

[Thomas82]

I like Duren atm. I can’t pass up his upside at 18. I know only the superstar centers are worth building around, but in the search for someone to build around, peeps keep looking for a prototype scorer or wing, when possibly the player with the most upside at that spot is Duren.

Impressive physical tools, a foundation to be a contributor right away and a path to be better. It is a small chance he would turn into an all star but if he adds a jumpshot, a post game? He can. There is viability for it at least.

I see Duren as a teenager with a high floor. If he doesnt improve much, he’d still be a good player in the league with some experience, but one cant discount the possibility he adds a jumpshot and a better offensive game bc of his age and getting into a good development team young.


All of this!!

[CGD]

Getting on the record ahead of draft: I’m staying with my Davis pick at 9. Then trusting the Spurs to do their usual late draft magic with the other picks.

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I'd be super disappointed with that. I am not even pretending to be a great scout or anything, but Dieng could easily turn out to be Livio Jean Charles part 2. I hope to God I am wrong if he's drafted.

Or he could be our next Bobo, a PF centerpiece crucial to the next playoff / championship run. I would be exstatic with Dieng. He's only behind Murray on my board of feasible players.

[SAGirl]

Or he could be our next Bobo, a PF centerpiece crucial to the next playoff / championship run. I would be exstatic with Dieng. He's only behind Murray on my board of feasible players.
Think he's very much a project. A lot of things about him are theoretical, his shooting, his efficiency. He has high bust potential... I want closer to a high floor player at 9. I suppose at 20 he would be fine however.

[mo7888]

Think he's very much a project. A lot of things about him are theoretical, his shooting, his efficiency. He has high bust potential... I want closer to a high floor player at 9. I suppose at 20 he would be fine however.

For me it's about where you take him.... I really like Dieng but I don't like him at 9.... 12-20 I'm in.. there's a real bust potential but the ceiling is pretty high too..

[Ocotillo]

Amin al Hassan was saying (his opinion) that Phoenix should ship Ayton to Indy for Turner and Brogdan. And he used to work in the Phoenix front office, key word there being used to. Never cared for his opinions.

[BackHome]

Bigs:
Duren
Sochan
Tari

Shooters 3 ball:
Jalen Williams
Bennedict Mathurin
Gabriele Procida
Jake LaRavia
David Roddy

Guys who can create and guard quick players:
Davis
TyTy
Dalen Terry
Blake Wesley
Max Christie
Davis

Swing for the fences:
Dieng
Hardy

Not Drafted But I want a look:
Trevion Williams
Mattero Spagnolo
Moussa Diabate

Spurs pick at 9 - Ousmane Dieng
My Favorite Player - Procida the 3 ball Italian Assassin .lol

[Ignazzz]

Bigs:
Duren
Sochan
Tari

Shooters 3 ball:
Jalen Williams
Bennedict Mathurin
Gabriele Procida
Jake LaRavia
David Roddy

Guys who can create and guard quick players:
Davis
TyTy
Dalen Terry
Blake Wesley
Max Christie
Davis

Swing for the fences:
Dieng
Hardy

Not Drafted But I want a look:
Trevion Williams
Mattero Spagnolo
Moussa Diabate

Spurs pick at 9 - Ousmane Dieng
My Favorite Player - Procida the 3 ball Italian Assassin .lol

great groups of prospect with right order:
I am high on:
Mathurin
Duren
Dieng
Tari
Jalen
Max
and Euros too

[Degoat]

The good news is if the spurs do something that we all hate, at least they have multiple picks to make up for it lol

[BatManu20]

The good news is if the spurs do something that we all hate, at least they have multiple picks to make up for it lol

Unless they use the other two picks to trade up for a player we also hate :lol