Official 2022 NBA Free Agency Thread

[exstatic]

I wonder if the asking prices for Kyrie is to high for Flakers and if we can just do a trade for Westbrick straight up for a unprotected first. Would that then give them cap room to say go after someone like Sexton?

Sexton has supposedly already signed an offer sheet with someone. Also don’t believe you can use a TE like cap room to sign FAs.

[exstatic]

Im just curious. What happens to all money not being used? $30 million in cap space, Does it go back to the Spurs owners (money saved) or the NBA? I ask simply because attendance is low these days. Could this also be killing two birds with one stone? We rebuild and the Spurs owners take less of a hit to the pocket while we’re in rebuuld with low attendance? With all the Spurs moving to Austin talk in a few years it just makes me wonder. Assuming the Spurs owners save or pay that money, would the Spurs owners want to pay $30 million for 1 future first round pick taking on Westbrocks contract? Im guessing it takes 10 home games to generate $30 Million in revenue. Im just thinking of this from a prespective of keeping the Spurs in San Antonio.

There s a minimum salary floor that you have to hit, and for just this reason. Donald Sterling did this year after year until they made the rule.

[exstatic]

Give to the players on roster. So say keldon gets the money.

OKC had that this year I think. So that will be the sample

I don’t think OKC did it. That would be huge news. Those shitty Philly Process teams never even did. They would pick up the corpse of some veteran after the post trade deadline cuts, and make the figure.

[KingKev]

I wonder if the asking prices for Kyrie is to high for Flakers and if we can just do a trade for Westbrick straight up for a unprotected first. Would that then give them cap room to say go after someone like Sexton?

Even if we were able to eat all 47mm of Russ’ contract without sending salary out (we can’t) the Lakers would be at the salary cap.

They have no avenue to sign Sexton.

[rankingtear]

I don’t think OKC did it. That would be huge news. Those shitty Philly Process teams never even did. They would pick up the corpse of some veteran after the post trade deadline cuts, and make the figure.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz5-hNMSoNQ

Something like 10+ mil with the DEN salary dump. Split between players on the roster depending on games played.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Even if we were able to eat all 47mm of Russ’ contract without sending salary out (we can’t) that Lakers would be at the salary cap.

They have no avenue to sign Sexton.

It’d create a sizeable trade exception that they could use though.

[KingKev]

It’d create a sizeable trade exception that they could use though.

Which is probably pretty useless given they will have no assets to send out post Russ trade.

[mo7888]

It's impossible to get every player. Clearly the Spurs valued Branham and Wesley higher than Minott, and it's not a hard pick. He was not good in college, while the other two were. Minott did well in summer league, but it's a setting made for athletes. By many accounts he struggled with rotations and common, everyday team basketball at Memphis, which is why he wasn't played very often. He'd blow up defensive sets because he didn't know what to do. This isn't anything against him; it just means he's more of a project. In the big league it may be a while before teams don't feast on him.

Days... It happens. He's hardly a sure-fire hit and Barlow was the player the team took. We also picked up Roby, who has proven he can actually play in the NBA already.

If the Spurs are looking for a player at this point, it's not a big, it's a point guard.

I think there's a fair chance that DJ Stewart gets the other 2 way. It makes sense at least. He can play some PG, makes good decisions, is a little more mature than the younger guys, and doesn't raise our ceiling.

[mo7888]

Which is probably pretty useless given they will have no assets to send out post Russ trade.

If we took 1 unprotected 1st they'd still have one other 1st and a swap to use with the TE I believe. They'd have to take McDermott to make the numbers work as well.

[KingKev]

If we took 1 unprotected 1st they'd still have one other 1st and a swap to use with the TE I believe. They'd have to take McDermott to make the numbers work as well.

I doubt their goal is to offload Russ without having the next deal lined up.

If you are paying an unprotected FRP to offload Russ you better have use for that TPE.

[Chinook]

I don’t think OKC did it. That would be huge news. Those shitty Philly Process teams never even did. They would pick up the corpse of some veteran after the post trade deadline cuts, and make the figure.

Philly used to do that to avoid paying their players extra. The CBA made that illegal, and the floor accounts for cash paid rather than cap space used. The Sixers used to trade for a guy making say $10 Million on his contract late in the year when it meant they only had to pay him $3 Million or so and then write off all $10 Million against the floor. Now doing so would only let them count the $3 Million.

[exstatic]

Philly used to do that to avoid paying their players extra. The CBA made that illegal, and the floor accounts for cash paid rather than cap space used. The Sixers used to trade for a guy making say $10 Million on his contract late in the year when it meant they only had to pay him $3 Million or so and then write off all $10 Million against the floor. Now doing so would only let them count the $3 Million.

I’m glad they closed that loop hole. Seemed unfair to the players.

[rogcl1]

Im just curious. What happens to all money not being used? $30 million in cap space, Does it go back to the Spurs owners (money saved) or the NBA? I ask simply because attendance is low these days. Could this also be killing two birds with one stone? We rebuild and the Spurs owners take less of a hit to the pocket while we’re in rebuuld with low attendance? With all the Spurs moving to Austin talk in a few years it just makes me wonder. Assuming the Spurs owners save or pay that money, would the Spurs owners want to pay $30 million for 1 future first round pick taking on Westbrocks contract? Im guessing it takes 10 home games to generate $30 Million in revenue. Im just thinking of this from a prespective of keeping the Spurs in San Antonio.

I believe 90 per cent of the cap must be spent.

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The Utah Jazz have agreed on a two-year, $6.25M deal with Italian forward Simone Fontecchio of Baskonia in the Spanish ACB, his agent Sam Goldfeder of @excelbasketball (https://twitter.com/excelbasketball/) tells ESPN. @DraftExpress (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/) considers Fontecchio, 26, the best available international small forward prospect.

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[scott]

Lol Mavs

https://basketnews.com/news-175305-luka-doncic-not-involved-in-recruiting-players-to-dallas-mavericks.html

[baseline bum]

If I'm the Nuggets, I would be offering Michael Porter Jr. and as many first round picks it takes to get Durant.

Jokic, Durant and Murray is a championship level team.

Would probably have to offer less picks without Porter in the deal tbh

[baseline bum]

Philly used to do that to avoid paying their players extra. The CBA made that illegal, and the floor accounts for cash paid rather than cap space used. The Sixers used to trade for a guy making say $10 Million on his contract late in the year when it meant they only had to pay him $3 Million or so and then write off all $10 Million against the floor. Now doing so would only let them count the $3 Million.

Wow that is cheap as fuck. They deserve what they got from Simmons then.

[Chinook]

I’m glad they closed that loop hole. Seemed unfair to the players.


Wow that is cheap as fuck. They deserve what they got from Simmons then.

To be clear, the result that comes from that isn't particularly that the players get less. Their share of annual revenue is fixed. The individual players on those Sixers team got smaller bonus checks that they would have, but the money the Sixers saved got paid to the players as a whole out of the escrow fund. The obvious result of this is that other teams didn't get back as much money as they should have. Philly was more stealing from the rest of the owners rather than from the players, which is why the next CBA put a stop to it.

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[Teamduncan21]

I don’t think OKC did it. That would be huge news. Those shitty Philly Process teams never even did. They would pick up the corpse of some veteran after the post trade deadline cuts, and make the figure.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2022/05/01/okc-thunder-players-owed-bonus-check-nba-salary-cap-floor-minimum/9598774002/

[CGD]

Lol Mavs

https://basketnews.com/news-175305-luka-doncic-not-involved-in-recruiting-players-to-dallas-mavericks.html

Meh, I’d rather have that than turning over my team to Klutch like the Lakers did

[The Truth #6]

Hard to say with Luka. He’s probably eating his way across Europe like Robert DeNiro did for Raging Bull. Too busy enjoying life.

[Fusternino]

Harrell just got arrested apparently.

Might as well guarantee KBD's contract . . .

[exstatic]

Harrell just got arrested apparently.

Might as well guarantee KBD's contract . . .

That was a month ago, before the draft.

[Atl Spur]

#extendpoodle

[John B]

#extendpoodle

Jak is 26 and doesn’t fit the current roster timeline. Although I personally like to see what playing with Sochan beside him does, and put it to rest whatever I said about Jak’s defense - he overhelps too much leaving his guy for a thunderous dunks, plus his on-man defense is suspect. Still not worth paying 20mil per year on a rebuilding team at 26. I rather they give minutes to Zollins and develop Barlow as Spurs future starting C.

[offset formation]

Jak is 26 and doesn’t fit the current roster timeline. Although I personally like to see what playing with Sochan beside him does, and put it to rest whatever I said about Jak’s defense - he overhelps too much leaving his guy for a thunderous dunks, plus his on-man defense is suspect. Still not worth paying 20mil per year on a rebuilding team at 26. I rather they give minutes to Zollins and develop Barlow as Spurs future starting C.

And that was just his defense...

[John B]

And that was just his defense...

Haha well he gives great screen and his pnr is up there, and he’s shown he can post. But he could NEVER hit that 10 footer and his FT is nothing to be desired. Damn, I started this post on a positive, but now…. ship the guy :lol

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Veteran forward JaMychal Green is working toward a contract buyout with Oklahoma City, and once that’s completed and he’s cleared waivers, Green intends to sign with Golden State, sources tell ESPN.

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[Atl Spur]

Haha well he gives great screen and his pnr is up there, and he’s shown he can post. But he could NEVER hit that 10 footer and his FT is nothing to be desired. Damn, I started this post on a positive, but now…. ship the guy :lol
Agile on the perimeter for his size, great screener, developing post game…..

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Felony charges filed against Charlotte Hornets' Miles Bridges for domestic violence, child abuse - via @espn (https://twitter.com/espn/) App

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[TeKu]

#extendpoodle

Got to think that's already been offered and turned down. The most they can start him at in an extension is $12.9m ($56m over 4yrs). Given Nurkic (70/4), Robinson (60/4) cost more than that, and Poodle is better than both, why would he extend now?

Guessing they have a ballpark number to re-sign him for next season using capspace though, unless they get a decent enough offer in the interim.

[heyheymymy]

3 felonies for Bridges

Man I feel terrible for her and her kids

[KingKev]

3 felonies for Bridges

Man I feel terrible for her and her kids

Charlotte didn't even pull his QO. They are going to retain him on a nice discount now.

[CGD]

Charlotte didn't even pull his QO. They are going to retain him on a nice discount now.

He's facing jail time . . .

[TimDunkem]

He's facing jail time . . .
Doubt he spends much time behind bars, tbh. Other than Vick or Hernandez, how many athletes have seen jailtime in recent years despite doing something horrible? Being rich, he probably ends up serving a bulk of his sentence on probation or some other light sentence.

[exstatic]

Doubt he spends much time behind bars, tbh. Other than Vick or Hernandez, how many athletes have seen jailtime in recent years despite doing something horrible? Being rich, he probably ends up serving a bulk of his sentence on probation or some other light sentence.

Three
Felony
Charges
Including
Child
Abuse

This isn’t going to be 60 days, and out. The unit of measure will be years, not weeks or months. Probably something like 5-6, out in 3 with good behavior.

[TimDunkem]

Three
Felony
Charges
Including
Child
Abuse

This isn’t going to be 60 days, and out. The unit of measure will be years, not weeks or months. Probably something like 5-6, out in 3 with good behavior.
Uh huh. Yeah. We'll see. :lol

[John B]

Three
Felony
Charges
Including
Child
Abuse

This isn’t going to be 60 days, and out. The unit of measure will be years, not weeks or months. Probably something like 5-6, out in 3 with good behavior.

Wife beater and child abuse? They specially like those in prison :fight

[cd98]

He's in serious trouble, but millionaire athletes like him find a way out. The real question is whether he can ever play in the NBA again.

[KingKev]

He's in serious trouble, but millionaire athletes like him find a way out. The real question is whether he can ever play in the NBA again.

It is in his wife and children's best interest he plays.

[exstatic]

He's in serious trouble, but millionaire athletes like him find a way out. The real question is whether he can ever play in the NBA again.

Most people here don’t understand the difference between the punishment for a misdemeanor offense, and the punishment for a felony offense. Misdemeanors mean jail or community service. Felonies mean prison.

When an athlete skates, it’s usually in how they’re charged. He missed that window.

[Mr. Body]

The courts will never stand in the way of commerce. Bridges makes money for rich white people. He'll get by.

[exstatic]

The courts will never stand in the way of commerce. Bridges makes money for rich white people. He'll get by.

The Hornets are 97% owned by a black man in the dirty south.

[Mr. Body]

The Hornets are 97% owned by a black man in the dirty south.

Cool. Money is what talks in this country. Did you just get here?

[heyheymymy]

Interesting discussion on Bridges and good points either way. I saw 3 felonies and thought he might be missing some serious time on the court. Crazy how CHA got hit with Bridges and Harrell with legal issues. Bet they wish they coughed up the first on that Poeltl deal. Also looks stupid to give up #13 but at least they snagged mark will to shore up the bigs depth though he won't be ready right away.

[exstatic]

Cool. Money is what talks in this country. Did you just get here?

You said rich white people. He doesn’t make money for rich white people. Try to stay on track.

[KingKev]

The Hornets are 97% owned by a black man in the dirty south.

If MJ wants to he can pull strings. Shaq pulled strings for Stephen Jackson in Georgia once upon a time.

[exstatic]

Interesting discussion on Bridges and good points either way. I saw 3 felonies and thought he might be missing some serious time on the court. Crazy how CHA got hit with Bridges and Harrell with legal issues. Bet they wish they coughed up the first on that Poeltl deal. Also looks stupid to give up #13 but at least they snagged mark will to shore up the bigs depth though he won't be ready right away.

It’s ironic that Harrell got busted for chronic in KY and Bridges for felony assault in CA. Reverse those locations, and they both probably skate.

[CGD]

Most people here don’t understand the difference between the punishment for a misdemeanor offense, and the punishment for a felony offense. Misdemeanors mean jail or community service. Felonies mean prison.

When an athlete skates, it’s usually in how they’re charged. He missed that window.

Yup, at this point he will have to beat the charges. Felonies, almost by definition, are crimes that carry punishments of more than one year.

[exstatic]

If MJ wants too he can pull strings. Shaq pulled strings for Stephen Jackson in Georgia once upon a time.

What was Stephen’s offense? Misdemeanor dope?

[John B]

If MJ wants too he can pull strings. Shaq pulled strings for Stephen Jackson in Georgia once upon a time.

Any other felonies maybe, but wife beater and child abuse? Women and children. Those are almost in US sacred law. Bridges will do time

[Mr. Body]

Any other felonies maybe, but wife beater and child abuse? Women and children. Those are almost in US sacred law. Bridges will do time

I think recent supreme court decisions have proven the US doesn't give a shit about women and children.

[TimDunkem]

I think recent supreme court decisions have proven the US doesn't give a shit about women and children.
And Karl Malone still walks free.

Ray Rice too.

[Mr. Body]

And if this country doesn't give a rat's ass about women and children, it DEFINITELY doesn't give a goddamn fuck about black women and children.

[KingKev]

What was Stephen’s offense? Misdemeanor dope?

He never said which case it was. He briefly touched on it on the Shaq episode of All The Smoke. May have been the gun charges in Indy which was a felony hit. Not as bad as Bridges but I bet he gets little to no jail time if he says and does the right things.

[TimDunkem]

He never said which case it was. He briefly touched on it on the Shaq episode of All The Smoke. May have been the gun charges in Indy which was a felony hit. Not as bad as Bridges but I bet he gets little to no jail time if he says and does the right things.
MAYBE a few months at most, followed by some sort of community service and/or therapy, probation, and hefty fines.

Years of jailtime? lol

[mo7888]

Any other felonies maybe, but wife beater and child abuse? Women and children. Those are almost in US sacred law. Bridges will do time

Yup... he'll probably be able to plea it out for a minimum sentence though unless he gets caught up in a political whirlwind where the powers that be in Cali feel they need to make an example of him to frame the way they are viewed to the electorate in an election year that's leaning to the right.

[Leetonidas]

Yall crazy if you think Bridges will do real time :lol rich people don't go to jail for this shit

[John B]

Yup... he'll probably be able to plea it out for a minimum sentence though unless he gets caught up in a political whirlwind where the powers that be in Cali feel they need to make an example of him to frame the way they are viewed to the electorate in an election year that's leaning to the right.

He got caught in Cali? Fuck that, he’s getting jail time :lol:lol Unless Silver gets him to the Lakers

[timtonymanu]

And to think not long ago I really wanted Bridges on the Spurs

[The Truth #6]

He'll have the best lawyer. He will get off much better than someone else with the same charge without money. Other than that, it's hard to predict.

[spurs10]

He will face consequences including jail time I'm thinking. It won't be community service at the food bank. Lucky for him he'll have the money to hire good attorneys....he's gonna need'm.

[KingKev]

Not trying to condone him beating his chick but if she is smart she walks it back. Half of 100m is alot more than half of 10mm.

[John B]

Not trying to condone him beating his chick but if she is smart she walks it back. Half of 100m is alot more than half of 10mm.

Then divorce him later. Get his career back for her kids

[dbestpro]

And if this country doesn't give a rat's ass about women and children, it DEFINITELY doesn't give a goddamn fuck about black women and children.

Just for balance, one third of the black population has been eliminated by that thing that the supreme court said should be decided by the states. Now, back to basketball.

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Harden will make $33M for the 2022-2023 season, and has the player option for $35.6M in 2023-2024, sources tell ESPN. He can move right back into free agency next summer and negotiate another new deal.


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Free agent James Harden has agreed on a two-year, $68.6M deal, including a player option, to return to the 76ers, sources tell ESPN.

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[tonight...you]

Not trying to condone him beating his chick but if she is smart she walks it back. Half of 100m is alot more than half of 10mm.
Sometimes it's safety over money.

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Harden will make $33M for the 2022-2023 season, and has the player option for $35.6M in 2023-2024, sources tell ESPN. He can move right back into free agency next summer and negotiate another new deal.


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Free agent James Harden has agreed on a two-year, $68.6M deal, including a player option, to return to the 76ers, sources tell ESPN.

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Props to Harden for putting his money where his mouth is. I think he could have gotten around $48M next year at the most.

[tonight...you]

Not trying to condone him beating his chick but if she is smart she walks it back. Half of 100m is alot more than half of 10mm.
Can't spend a buck when you're beaten to a vegetable.
Can't enjoy a dollar if your child is killed in the collateral damage.
Can't anything when your life is miserable.


This guy is not some one-time beater.
He's a menace and no, no law enforcement could stop this guy from doing something terrible before they can respond.

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Guard Mac McClung has agreed on a one-year deal with the Golden State Warriors, his agent Dan Poneman of @beyond_am (https://twitter.com/beyond_am/) told @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). McClung averaged 13.4 points and 4.8 assists in summer league for the Warriors.

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[rastaspur]

Three
Felony
Charges
Including
Child
Abuse

This isn’t going to be 60 days, and out. The unit of measure will be years, not weeks or months. Probably something like 5-6, out in 3 with good behavior.
As an attorney I would disagree.

California is much like Alabama in regards to sentencing guidelines. He has no prior felonies. So it would presumptively be probation unless judge deviates from the guidelines due to aggravating circumstances.

He's rich and he will get a top notch lawyer and they will work out a plea deal. He probably winds up pleading to a felony assault and misdemeanor child abuse at worse. Even if he pleads to all three judge is just going to run them concurrently so no biggie.

If a plea deal is worked out judge will rubber stamp it and approve. The judge could not go by the recommended sentence and hammer him but he won't. Judges hardly ever ignore the terms of a plea deal.

My guess is he agrees to some community service, takes anger management and is put on probation. Or at worst he gets a month or two in jail worst case scenario.

She's got him by the balls divorce wise and will leverage this for a big settlement most likely. Hes going to have to pay out the ass but if he does then she will be in their blessing the deal and asking for no jail time and anger management.

[rastaspur]

As an attorney I would disagree.

California is much like Alabama in regards to sentencing guidelines. He has no prior felonies. So it would presumptively be probation unless judge deviates from the guidelines due to aggravating circumstances.

He's rich and he will get a top notch lawyer and they will work out a plea deal. He probably winds up pleading to a felony assault and misdemeanor child abuse at worse. Even if he pleads to all three judge is just going to run them concurrently so no biggie.

If a plea deal is worked out judge will rubber stamp it and approve. The judge could not go by the recommended sentence and hammer him but he won't. Judges hardly ever ignore the terms of a plea deal.

My guess is he agrees to some community service, takes anger management and is put on probation. Or at worst he gets a month or two in jail worst case scenario.

She's got him by the balls divorce wise and will leverage this for a big settlement most likely. Hes going to have to pay out the ass but if he does then she will be in their blessing the deal and asking for no jail time and anger management.

In Alabama I would just work out a reverse split sentence. Like a 10/2 reverse split. So that would be a ten year sentence with a 2year probation sentence on front end and 8 years hanging with over his head on the he back end. In other words, be a good boy for two years and the 8 years goes away. But I'm pretty sure Cali doesn't allow reverse splits

So many options other than a hefty sentence.

[rastaspur]

Yup, at this point he will have to beat the charges. Felonies, almost by definition, are crimes that carry punishments of more than one year.

I disagree. Any good attorney will plea him out and get a deal.

The kids were witnesses. There's no beating those charges. Any attorney would be a fool to take this trial and have those little kids hit the stand. That's guaranteed to get him years in the pen .

He has no priors. It's a presumptive probation case unless judge hits him with aggravating circle stances on a plea deal.

The system is designed to reward pleas. He pleads this out and any punishment he gets will be peanuts. He takes it to trial and the judge will hammer his ass. Judges dont like their time to be waisted and resources blown. They force a trial and judge will throw the book at him for sure.

So if I'm miles I make a settlement offer of the divorce to good to be true and get a deal in hand with probation and community service and anger management with a suspended sentence. When it comes time for sentencing she will be in court blessing a suspended sentence if he stays out of trouble, completes anger managem ent and community service.

[rastaspur]

I disagree. Any good attorney will plea him out and get a deal.

The kids were witnesses. There's no beating those charges. Any attorney would be a fool to take this trial and have those little kids hit the stand. That's guaranteed to get him years in the pen .

He has no priors. It's a presumptive probation case unless judge hits him with aggravating circle stances on a plea deal.

The system is designed to reward pleas. He pleads this out and any punishment he gets will be peanuts. He takes it to trial and the judge will hammer his ass. Judges dont like their time to be waisted and resources blown. They force a trial and judge will throw the book at him for sure.

So if I'm miles I make a settlement offer of the divorce to good to be true and get a deal in hand with probation and community service and anger management with a suspended sentence. When it comes time for sentencing she will be in court blessing a suspended sentence if he stays out of trouble, completes anger managem ent and community service.

I'll give a case of my own as a prime example. Had a client charged with attempted murder and 4 class b robbery 1sts. I got a deal worked out where he served 22 years. He had 7 prior felonies.

Under the guidelines he was a habitual offender and could have received a life sentence or life without parole. So he would have served maybe 8 years under the deal I worked out and be released on probation.

This idiot backs out of the deal before sentencing and requests a new attorney and accuses me of working with the da's office and said he was innocent. Tried to explain if you go to trial and are found guilty on just one of them you are going to get life at a minimum or worst yet life without parole.

Well, he got his wish. He had a trial with a new attorney and judge gave him life without the possibility of parole.

A really bad dude who had 12 felony convictions before he turned 30. And I had a deal in hand that he would serve about 7.
years.

Perfect example to illustrate being punished for not pleadung out and insisting on a trial.

[ace3g]

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ESPN Sources: The NBA has fined Golden State Warriors owner Joe Lacob $500,000 for his recent comments on the Point Forward Podcast discussing the league’s collective bargaining talks, which included Lacob describing the league’s luxury tax system as “very unfair.”

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[ace3g]

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Andrew Nembhard, the No. 31 pick in the 2022 NBA draft, has agreed to a 4 year, 8.6 million dollar deal with the Indiana Pacers, his agents Jaafar Choufani and Todd Ramasar told ESPN. The deal guarantees 6.4 million in the first 3 years, the most ever for a collegiate 2nd rounder
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The contract also has more guaranteed money than picks 18-30 in the first rd and allows Nembhard to hit FA possibly in 1 less year.One of the best second rd. contracts that I’ve seen.

[Seventyniner]

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ESPN Sources: The NBA has fined Golden State Warriors owner Joe Lacob $500,000 for his recent comments on the Point Forward Podcast discussing the league’s collective bargaining talks, which included Lacob describing the league’s luxury tax system as “very unfair.”

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:lol that's priceless. Well, a price of $500,000.

Lacob whining about the luxury tax after paying a shit ton in luxury tax and signing players to contracts that will cost him several hundred million more and still having incredible team success over the last 8 years smacks of total dumbassery.

[tonight...you]

I'll give a case of my own as a prime example. Had a client charged with attempted murder and 4 class b robbery 1sts. I got a deal worked out where he served 22 years. He had 7 prior felonies.

Under the guidelines he was a habitual offender and could have received a life sentence or life without parole. So he would have served maybe 8 years under the deal I worked out and be released on probation.

This idiot backs out of the deal before sentencing and requests a new attorney and accuses me of working with the da's office and said he was innocent. Tried to explain if you go to trial and are found guilty on just one of them you are going to get life at a minimum or worst yet life without parole.

Well, he got his wish. He had a trial with a new attorney and judge gave him life without the possibility of parole.

A really bad dude who had 12 felony convictions before he turned 30. And I had a deal in hand that he would serve about 7.
years.

Perfect example to illustrate being punished for not pleadung out and insisting on a trial.
Your work has to be...
Every vulgar word you can think of.
And yet it has to be done.

My hat tips to you.
No wonder you and I are pot smokers in partnership.

[rastaspur]

Your work has to be...
Every vulgar word you can think of.
And yet it has to be done.

My hat tips to you.
No wonder you and I are pot smokers in partnership.

I don't like practicing criminal law at all. Hate it.

I didn't lose sleep over him getting life. Honestly, he deserved it. One of the armed burglary first cases was his first cousin. He pistol whipped his on first cousin on his aunt's porch and robbed him. Lol. Wtf. I really bad dude who should be behind bars for life.

[Robz4000]

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ESPN Sources: The NBA has fined Golden State Warriors owner Joe Lacob $500,000 for his recent comments on the Point Forward Podcast discussing the league’s collective bargaining talks, which included Lacob describing the league’s luxury tax system as “very unfair.”

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(https://twitter.com/wojespn)27m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1549914342946209792)The NBA forbids owners and team officials from "unauthorized communications regarding collective bargaining."

:lol that whole organization reeks of self-entitlement

[Ice009]

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Harden will make $33M for the 2022-2023 season, and has the player option for $35.6M in 2023-2024, sources tell ESPN. He can move right back into free agency next summer and negotiate another new deal.


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Free agent James Harden has agreed on a two-year, $68.6M deal, including a player option, to return to the 76ers, sources tell ESPN.

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Why did Harden opt out only to resign for a lesser amount?

[tonight...you]

I don't like practicing criminal law at all. Hate it.

I didn't lose sleep over him getting life. Honestly, he deserved it. One of the armed burglary first cases was his first cousin. He pistol whipped his on first cousin on his aunt's porch and robbed him. Lol. Wtf. I really bad dude who should be behind bars for life.
I completely understand.
I'mma take a shot and a toke in your name tonight.
You've always been one of the good ones.
I don't envy your work, but we all have to make a paycheck.

Mucho respecto mi amigo.

[rastaspur]

After reading the details and learning that he strangled her so bad her tore neck muscles I would like to drop Al back my predictions. The felony dv strangulation cases are prosecuted very aggressively.

In Alabama a felony strangulation is a class b felony and judges usually give some l vel of jail time on v n fo first time offenders.

He might serve up to two years behind bars even on a plea. That's a tough case to get worked out during an election year.

It will be interesting to see the public pressure dynamic v. Victims wishes. The public wants to castrate him. She might get ask for leniency when it's said and done.

[rankingtear]

Why did Harden opt out only to resign for a lesser amount?

Opened up the non tax MLE and BAE. Hardcapped from using the MLE.

[rastaspur]

I completely understand.
I'mma take a shot and a toke in your name tonight.
You've always been one of the good ones.
I don't envy your work, but we all have to make a paycheck.

Mucho respecto mi amigo.

Thank you, kind sir.

I try to keep folks out of jail. My younger bro the judge tries to put them in jail. It's a yin and yang/full circle thing happening. ��

[tonight...you]

After reading the details and learning that he strangled her so bad her tore neck muscles I would like to drop Al back my predictions. The felony dv strangulation cases are prosecuted very aggressively.

In Alabama a felony strangulation is a class b felony and judges usually give some l vel of jail time on v n fo first time offenders.

He might serve up to two years behind bars even on a plea. That's a tough case to get worked out during an election year.

It will be interesting to see the public pressure dynamic v. Victims wishes. The public wants to castrate him. She might get ask for leniency when it's said and done.
She brought the pics in and basically prosecuted with evidence and an epitaph.
I don't think she's going to ask for anything unless she gets leaned on.

Which will probably happen.

[tonight...you]

Thank you, kind sir.

I try to keep folks out of jail. My younger bro the judge tries to put them in jail. It's a yin and yang/full circle thing happening. ��
Wild dynamic.
I bet Thanksgiving is just a peach of a time.

[rastaspur]

She brought the pics in and basically prosecuted with evidence and an epitaph.
I don't think she's going to ask for anything unless she gets leaned on.

Which will probably happen.
If he's smart he offers her like 30 plus million in divorce settlement and gets her pushing for leniency.

If he goes into prison his career is over. If the nba doesn't lifetime ban him then he will either get blackballed on the back end or miss his window if he does serious time.

His attorneys job is that make him see the big picture. She's got some serious leverage for sure. Her divorce attorney must be salivating right now.

[tonight...you]

If he's smart he offers her like 30 plus million in divorce settlement and gets her pushing for leniency.

If he goes into prison his career is over. If the nba doesn't lifetime ban him then he will either get blackballed on the back end or miss his window if he does serious time.

His attorneys job is that make him see the big picture. She's got some serious leverage for sure. Her divorce attorney must be salivating right now.
He is so screwed.
Good.
Don't fucking hit your women.
Don't fucking hurt your children.

Fuck all the peeps trying to protect and coerce your career.
Don't fucking do it.
You're going down.
And you need to go down.

Sorry bro.
I know your job is to minimize their damage, but hot damn.
Hitting your girl and your children... NO.

[John B]

If he's smart he offers her like 30 plus million in divorce settlement and gets her pushing for leniency.

If he goes into prison his career is over. If the nba doesn't lifetime ban him then he will either get blackballed on the back end or miss his window if he does serious time.

His attorneys job is that make him see the big picture. She's got some serious leverage for sure. Her divorce attorney must be salivating right now.

If I were her I’d get that settlement and millions more for my kids. Getting him to jail will end his career. I think they will settle.

[buttsR4rebounding]

This is California. The state’s legal system is so screwed up he won’t sniff a jail cell. The LA district attorney is being sued by his staff to force the DA to allow for prosecution of repeat offenders. And the frigging DA hired a $2,600/hour attorney to defend him at the taxpayer’s expense. It’s a great state to be a criminal. But not a law abiding citizen. That’s why people are leaving as fast as they can find U-Hauls.

[rastaspur]

He is so screwed.
Good.
Don't fucking hit your women.
Don't fucking hurt your children.

Fuck all the peeps trying to protect and coerce your career.
Don't fucking do it.
You're going down.
And you need to go down.

Sorry bro.
I know your job is to minimize their damage, but hot damn.
Hitting your girl and your children... NO.

Does he deserve a max sentence if the facts I just read are proven true? Yes.

That's why I hate criminal law. Sometimes i win but society loses as a whole. But justice usually prevails. 80 to 90 percent of the time.

[rastaspur]

If I were her I’d get that settlement and millions more for my kids. Getting him to jail will end his career. I think they will settle.
That's her attorneys job. Make her see the big picture.

Be set up for life. Or take it to trial to where he blows his nest egg on attorneys fees and she gets half of jack shit in the divorce and he has no income stream moving forward.

[tonight...you]

Does he deserve a max sentence if the facts I just read are proven true? Yes.

That's why I hate criminal law. Sometimes i win but society loses as a whole. But justice usually prevails. 80 to 90 percent of the time.
Fist to chest brother.
I don't envy you.
I'm just a teller of tales.
That's much easier in every way.

[rastaspur]

This is California. The state’s legal system is so screwed up he won’t sniff a jail cell. The LA district attorney is being sued by his staff to force the DA to allow for prosecution of repeat offenders. And the frigging DA hired a $2,600/hour attorney to defend him at the taxpayer’s expense. It’s a great state to be a criminal. But not a law abiding citizen. That’s why people are leaving as fast as they can find U-Hauls.

The public outcry factor and the strangulation make it a little different.

I can't emphasize enough how aggressive prosecutors are about those set of facts. It's considered aggravated circumstances statutorily speaking because in most states it takes it up a level.

I could punch my lady for n her face and knock out 6 teeth and it would be a class c felony worst case. I could put my arms around her neck for 10 seconds and do it lightly and really just to scare her and its a class b felony.

I tried a felony strangulation once but was scared to put it to a jury. The alleged victim was crazy af and she was lying but she was smart and I was scared a jury would buy her bs. So we waived the jury and requested a bench trial. Judge was super religious.

So in a nutshell she was cheating on her husband. He has caught her already. Suspected it was still going on. He tried to grab her phone and she goes crazy and attacks him and he defends himself. She then runs to apt across from her (a cop) and tells him he choked her.

We got phone records and discovered all the affair stuff. Figured out her side piece got her pregnant and then drove her to get an abortion shortly before the incident. We had her lying about in a separate pfa abuse hearing tied to the divorce.

And then skewered her ass with it in the criminal trial. Judge found him not guilty and based his decision on the fact that the victims credibility was so bad he couldn't believe a word she said .

Tough case that came down to one story v another. Luckily we proved her to be a liar.

[rastaspur]

The public outcry factor and the strangulation make it a little different.

I can't emphasize enough how aggressive prosecutors are about those set of facts. It's considered aggravated circumstances statutorily speaking because in most states it takes it up a level.

I could punch my lady for n her face and knock out 6 teeth and it would be a class c felony worst case. I could put my arms around her neck for 10 seconds and do it lightly and really just to scare her and its a class b felony.

I tried a felony strangulation once but was scared to put it to a jury. The alleged victim was crazy af and she was lying but she was smart and I was scared a jury would buy her bs. So we waived the jury and requested a bench trial. Judge was super religious.

So in a nutshell she was cheating on her husband. He has caught her already. Suspected it was still going on. He tried to grab her phone and she goes crazy and attacks him and he defends himself. She then runs to apt across from her (a cop) and tells him he choked her.

We got phone records and discovered all the affair stuff. Figured out her side piece got her pregnant and then drove her to get an abortion shortly before the incident. We had her lying about in a separate pfa abuse hearing tied to the divorce.

And then skewered her ass with it in the criminal trial. Judge found him not guilty and based his decision on the fact that the victims credibility was so bad he couldn't believe a word she said .

Tough case that came down to one story v another. Luckily we proved her to be a liar.
I forgot to add that she made him snip it after one kid so there's no way our client got her pregnant. Judge let us subpoena the abortion records and they showed her side piece signing paperwork. It was over then. He chalked her up as a lying whore and I was excited.

[tonight...you]

I forgot to add that she made him snip it after one kid so there's no way our client got her pregnant. Judge let us subpoena the abortion records and they showed her side piece signing paperwork. It was over then. He chalked her up as a lying whore and I was excited.
Hot damn.
Crazy shit.

[BacktoBasics]

:lol that's priceless. Well, a price of $500,000.

Lacob whining about the luxury tax after paying a shit ton in luxury tax and signing players to contracts that will cost him several hundred million more and still having incredible team success over the last 8 years smacks of total dumbassery.

Tbh not really. It’s disproportionate for a reason. To deter and give serious consideration to weather you want to pay that kind of money to roll the dice that you’ll succeed.

It speaks directly to the nature of the system.

To use a tax or penalty to directly dissuade an owner to not go deep into financial waters.

If all things are legitimately “fair” then it’s reasonable to complain that another owners inability to be successful or unwillingness to “spend” is unfair to those that are willing to shoot their wad or not be more successful than the next guy.

Fuck those people but he’s not technically wrong.

[BacktoBasics]

I forgot to add that she made him snip it after one kid so there's no way our client got her pregnant. Judge let us subpoena the abortion records and they showed her side piece signing paperwork. It was over then. He chalked her up as a lying whore and I was excited.

What a great story. Fucking insane.

But the rub is that somewhere in there I’m sure the dude is a piece of shit as well. I’m sure unrelated but pieces of shit are attracted to drama and she seemed fully loaded in that department.

[Seventyniner]

Does he deserve a max sentence if the facts I just read are proven true? Yes.

That's why I hate criminal law. Sometimes i win but society loses as a whole. But justice usually prevails. 80 to 90 percent of the time.

The way I see it, your job is to make sure the prosecution does their job right. That 10-20% of the time that a criminal who truly deserves a certain punishment gets less or none is the price society pays for making it difficult to convict an innocent person.

[rastaspur]

What a great story. Fucking insane.

But the rub is that somewhere in there I’m sure the dude is a piece of shit as well. I’m sure unrelated but pieces of shit are attracted to drama and she seemed fully loaded in that department.
Honestly, he was a decent dude. Real timid. Super nice. Formerly military but now has since graduated college and is a special ed teacher and part time fireman.

He got custody of the child. She eventually moved to Oregon and hasn't seen the kid in almost five years. Last week heard she was a heroine junky.

Justice prevailed in this instance.

[rastaspur]

The way I see it, your job is to make sure the prosecution does their job right. That 10-20% of the time that a criminal who truly deserves a certain punishment gets less or none is the price society pays for making it difficult to convict an innocent person.

If I can just get one or so a year in the win column a year to where I feel like an inner cent man reci bed a fair and proper outcome then it outweighs the bad taste is n my mouth cases.

You honestly become a god to someone whose life you save. They worship you forever. It's flattering, moving and makes it worth it tbh.

[exstatic]

If he's smart he offers her like 30 plus million in divorce settlement and gets her pushing for leniency.

If he goes into prison his career is over. If the nba doesn't lifetime ban him then he will either get blackballed on the back end or miss his window if he does serious time.

His attorneys job is that make him see the big picture. She's got some serious leverage for sure. Her divorce attorney must be salivating right now.

He’s still on his rookie contract. $30M is money he doesn’t have, and likely never will.

[exstatic]

Tbh not really. It’s disproportionate for a reason. To deter and give serious consideration to weather you want to pay that kind of money to roll the dice that you’ll succeed.

It speaks directly to the nature of the system.

To use a tax or penalty to directly dissuade an owner to not go deep into financial waters.

If all things are legitimately “fair” then it’s reasonable to complain that another owners inability to be successful or unwillingness to “spend” is unfair to those that are willing to shoot their wad or not be more successful than the next guy.

Fuck those people but he’s not technically wrong.

He’s not wrong, but fails to understand the system. It’s designed NOT to be fair to profligate spenders. The whole purpose of the annually increasing tax penalties is to bust up super teams, and at least temporarily restore some measure of balance.

[jjspur]

He’s still on his rookie contract. $30M is money he doesn’t have, and likely never will.

Even if Bridges beats the rap, do you think the hornets or any other team will give him anything close to 10 -20 million per year considering all the negative publicity and baggage he brings with him?

[exstatic]

Even if Bridges beats the rap, do you think the hornets or any other team will give him anything close to 10 -20 million per year considering all the negative publicity and baggage he brings with him?

Nope. He’ll have to take a 3 year deal at some paltry figure to get a foot back in the door. Depending on how long he’s gone, sentence, plus the inevitable suspension, he may not make $30M the rest of his career.

[heyheymymy]

Thanks to rasta spur for the detailed analysis

[rjv]

bridges is screwed but i could give a crap less. if proven guilty, he can rot in some prison cell for what would have been the rest of his NBA career. but, alas, as rasta pointed out, he'll probably work out a plea deal, that being said, he's facing a hell of a suspension if he does. i'd imagine nothing less than 2 years at least.

[The Truth #6]

Anyone know if there is a deadline for free agency signings for the Summer. I've looked on the NBA website and it mentions when it begins of course but nothing about when we might expect some closure, so to speak, to the KD, Irving, Westbrook business.

[rogcl1]

Anyone know if there is a deadline for free agency signings for the Summer. I've looked on the NBA website and it mentions when it begins of course but nothing about when we might expect some closure, so to speak, to the KD, Irving, Westbrook business.

That would be the trade deadline, nothing to do with free agency. They all have contracts. The trade deadline is usually around the middle of February.

[The Truth #6]

That would be the trade deadline, nothing to do with free agency. They all have contracts. The trade deadline is usually around the middle of February.

Good distinction. I suppose I was hoping for a deadline to bring this stalemate to a head.

[exstatic]

Good distinction. I suppose I was hoping for a deadline to bring this stalemate to a head.

No such thing. If you want the good to great return, you have to wait. I think Durant is the least likely to be traded this year, with multiple years left on his deal.

LA will be very reluctant to throw that unprotected pick into the pot, but at some point,they will realize they have only two choices: cough up the pick, or run back the same lottery squad again next year. BW has many choices if they choose to run it back. PHO wants to get off about $15M to duck under the tax. There are other teams that may decide to trade out of the tax as it becomes obvious that they won’t make the playoffs. Those can all wait, though. The deadline on all of those is the February trade deadline.

Part of getting the great return in just flat out patience.

[heyheymymy]

Sounds like a deal nears completion?

Donovan Mitchell
@spidadmitchell
Man god is good����
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[heyheymymy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/w4nitx/scott_anderson_ive_been_receiving_texts_as_we/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[heyheymymy]

Scott & Anderson] "I've been receiving texts as we speak that the Donovan Mitchell trade is done - it's agreed upon. They're working out the final details to be announced here shortly. ... It's a haul"
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[Spurs9]

Can't imagine what Ainge finessed for Mitchell, one of the most overrated players in the league.

[heyheymymy]

If true I wonder how plentiful the pick hoarde will be.

[Spurs9]

I'm sure the Knicks probably traded for him and gave up a insane amount of picks and will end up being worse with him.

[heyheymymy]

Jazz went from 2021 top seed to rebuilding in an instant

[Leetonidas]

Jazz went from 2021 top seed to rebuilding in an instant

They were never going to win a title with Mitchell and Gobert as their two best players. Kudos to them for recognizing it and moving on instead of being content to lose in the 1st/2nd round every year. Spurs should have done the same thing with DeMar and LMA in 2019

[heyheymymy]

They were never going to win a title with Mitchell and Gobert as their two best players. Kudos to them for recognizing it and moving on instead of being content to lose in the 1st/2nd round every year. Spurs should have done the same thing with DeMar and LMA in 2019



Agreed, not enough to put em over the top so why continue down a dead end. Admiral balls to rip the cord and I agree, so glad the spurs are going less than traditional lately and better late than never. Wish SA would've dumped the mediocrity sooner though, yes.

[Ocotillo]

I'm sure the Knicks probably traded for him and gave up a insane amount of picks and will end up being worse with him.

Interesting that the Knicks go for Mitchell (if it is the case). Thibs has gotta love no D Spida. In the end, they could have had DJ who probably would have been a better fit if they put together the right package.

[Mr. Body]

Ainge must have blackmail material on these team executives. Only way it makes sense.

[KingKev]

Nothing out there on main stream media about this…

[Seventyniner]

I wonder if the Spurs can get involved, siphon off a pick or two from the haul while taking back bad contracts that the Jazz won't want?

Wishful thinking, I know. I highly doubt it happens.

[RC_Drunkford]

Scott & Anderson] "I've been receiving texts as we speak that the Donovan Mitchell trade is done - it's agreed upon. They're working out the final details to be announced here shortly. ... It's a haul"
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/w4nitx/scott_anderson_ive_been_receiving_texts_as_we/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Bad news for Spurs fans. Utah will definitely outtank us

[wildbill2u]

In Alabama I would just work out a reverse split sentence. Like a 10/2 reverse split. So that would be a ten year sentence with a 2year probation sentence on front end and 8 years hanging with over his head on the he back end. In other words, be a good boy for two years and the 8 years goes away. But I'm pretty sure Cali doesn't allow reverse splits

So many options other than a hefty sentence.
Different jurisdictions have different ways of handling first offenders felony charges. In Texas, for example, you can get "deferred adjudication" which avoids immediate incarceration while holding a club over your head of jail time if you fail the terms of probation or are charged with another felony during the time of the deferred adjudication sentence. I bet he isn't sitting in jail right now either.

[slick'81]

Utah taking all the picks they want

[KingKev]

Repeat NOTHING from even the least credible twitter finger analysts about a Spida trade.

[Mr. Body]

Whoever posted it seems to be backing off.

[RC_Drunkford]

Repeat NOTHING from even the least credible twitter finger analysts about a Spida trade.

The rumor stems from a Reporter that Covers the Jazz

[KingKev]

The rumor stems from a Reporter that Covers the Jazz

Hopefully he is fired.

[tbdog]

They were never going to win a title with Mitchell and Gobert as their two best players. Kudos to them for recognizing it and moving on instead of being content to lose in the 1st/2nd round every year. Spurs should have done the same thing with DeMar and LMA in 2019

I disagree on the utah comment. They never found that third star. It was meant to be Conley but he never was a true allstar. They also never addressed their defensive wings issue. They had none and gobert can be planned for in a playoff series if you have no decent wings.

[CGD]

Stein saying Pacers and Lakers are talking about a Brick and picks for Turner and Hield deal. Sticking point is inclusion of a second LAL FRP.

[Robz4000]

Stein saying Pacers and Lakers are talking about a Brick and picks for Turner and Hield deal. Sticking point is inclusion of a second LAL FRP.

:lol Pacers

[ace3g]

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Shams Charania ShamsCharania
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Undrafted Purdue center Trevion Williams has agreed to a deal with the Golden State Warriors, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Exhibit 10 contract to compete for a roster spot for Williams, who averaged 7.4 points, 6.6 rebounds and 14.2 minutes for Boston in summer league.

[spurraider21]

Stein saying Pacers and Lakers are talking about a Brick and picks for Turner and Hield deal. Sticking point is inclusion of a second LAL FRP.
same story with brooklyn/kyrie. lakers aren't accepting the reality that westbrook is a negative asset.

they basically want to get kyrie or hield/turner for a first round pick + westbrook, because they are still treating westbrook as a positive asset or neutral at worst. realistically they're going to have to dump a first just to move on from westbrook. its basically 2 separate transaction. need compensation for the guys you want to receive, and need compensation to dump westbrook

i think they'll eventually cave. no shot they waste lebron's age 37/38 season and run it back with westbrook again

[ace3g]

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The #Pacers (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Pacers) plan to sign Kendall Brown to a two-way contract, per league source.

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JD Shaw @JShawNBA
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The Magic have re-signed Admiral Schofield to a two-way contract, per the team.



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League sources confirm to @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) that Moussa Diabaté has signed a two-way contract with the Clippers.The expected move, and it's locked in now. That leaves one more two-way contract. Last year's two-ways to end the year, Jay Scrubb and Xavier Moon, are om LAC TC roster.

[tonight...you]

same story with brooklyn/kyrie. lakers aren't accepting the reality that westbrook is a negative asset.

they basically want to get kyrie or hield/turner for a first round pick + westbrook, because they are still treating westbrook as a positive asset or neutral at worst. realistically they're going to have to dump a first just to move on from westbrook. its basically 2 separate transaction. need compensation for the guys you want to receive, and need compensation to dump westbrook

i think they'll eventually cave. no shot they waste lebron's age 37/38 season and run it back with westbrook again
Pelinka is a professional negotiator.
He knows how to suave a deal.
It's too bad for him he's in such a shit shithole to be working from.

[BackHome]

Yeah he has a real shitty hand I don’t see a way he can get a good player and also get rid of Westbrick without giving up two first round pick

[Spurs Homer]

Hope the spurs do NOT bail out the lakers

fuck em

[ace3g]

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Sources: Golden State Warriors guard Quinndary Weatherspoon has signed his two-way qualifying offer for the 2022-23 season, @hoopshype (https://twitter.com/hoopshype/) has learned.

[rastaspur]

He’s still on his rookie contract. $30M is money he doesn’t have, and likely never will.

That's the long-term payout via alimony payments. So if she helps and it doesn't destroy his career then he can easily pay that out over a ten year period or whatever.

If I represented her I'd make it to where an email ncome withholding order paid her directly out of his NBA check. A collective bargains Ng agreement can't cut off avenues to collect child support or alimony

If it did then I'd make him agree on paper that his paychecks came into an llc and she has a x percentage of the llc and can make immediate withdrawals if her percentage.

A million ways to skin this cat and fully protect her.

[Dex]

1550912224834748416

[Degoat]

Had a hunch it was going to be Jordan hall, he’s intriguing tbh. Didn’t show much at the SL but I like his skills

[ace3g]

Dang was hoping we would sign John Butler Jr.

[Robz4000]

:pop:He was a cultural fit unlike Days

[rastaspur]

Different jurisdictions have different ways of handling first offenders felony charges. In Texas, for example, you can get "deferred adjudication" which avoids immediate incarceration while holding a club over your head of jail time if you fail the terms of probation or are charged with another felony during the time of the deferred adjudication sentence. I bet he isn't sitting in jail right now either.

I gotcha.

There's no statutorily approved deferred sentencing rule across the he board for first time offenders here. Just the youthful offe ndor option for charges caught at 21 or under but it requires judge approval. Keeps records sealed if you get through probation.

Some circuits have drug courts and most don't.

I think a drug court system should be implemented nationally. Run the gauntlet for a year with constant drug tests and rehab for possession cases and it goes off your record.

Much better than the alternative of locking them up where they can get drugs easily.

Decriminalization with heavy emphasis on providing drug abuse services (a la Portugal) or a second chance system with the same emphasis on services works.

Tired of the drug problem tbh. Especially in my parts where it's mainly white meth heads stealing everything that isn't nailed down.

Catalytic converters, copper, tired, rims, mailboxes. Fucking anything.

[BatManu20]

1550968074773401600

[KingKev]

^ throw them diamonds upppp

Single Pop going to he partying with Meek, HOV, Ruben and Robert Kraft soon.

[exstatic]

^ throw them diamonds upppp

Single Pop going to he partying with Meek, HOV, Ruben and Robert Kraft soon.

Bob Kraft is a hard core TrumpTard, so, no.

[tonight...you]

^ throw them diamonds upppp

Single Pop going to he partying with Meek, HOV, Ruben and Robert Kraft soon.
I like it when you say stupid things.
Cool shit.

[Atl Spur]

1550968074773401600

Good stuff pop! All people should appreciate you.

[spurraider21]

Good stuff pop! All people should appreciate you.
Exonerating innocent people is woke sjw extremism

[ace3g]

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Correction: Nathan Knight has re-signed with the Minnesota Timberwolves on a STANDARD contract, a league source tells @spotrac (https://twitter.com/spotrac/).Knight had played on a Two-Way contract with the Wolves last season.




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After starring for Olympiacos in the EuroLeague, guard Tyler Dorsey has signed a two-way NBA deal with the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). Dorsey played two seasons (2017-19) for Atlanta and Memphis.

11:25pm · 23 Jul 2022 (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1551060895110938624) · Twitter for iPhone (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[Degoat]

I’m still really surprised the spurs haven’t brought in another PG

[KingKev]

I’m still really surprised the spurs haven’t brought in another PG

Rondo is probably the only vet PG out there still who we could overpay to help coach Primo/Wesley/Tre.

[Dejounte]

Yeah Rondo. The other guy facing abuse allegations.

[palangi]

I’m still really surprised the spurs haven’t brought in another PG
why? We are rebuilding. Not trying to win right now. Let jones, primo, and Wesley learn on the job and take their lumps.

there is no need

[KingKev]

Yeah Rondo. The other guy facing abuse allegations.

Not advocating for him just don’t see any vets who are ready to come in and help Wesley/Primo as a mentor ON THE COURT.

[Atl Spur]

Exonerating innocent people is woke sjw extremism

What is woke? Don’t be that guy who has all the answers but puts forth no action! I don’t know you but would be real interested in hearing how you are helping your country and your fellow American people out ( yeah that includes the ones that don’t look like you ).

[Degoat]

why? We are rebuilding. Not trying to win right now. Let jones, primo, and Wesley learn on the job and take their lumps.

there is no need

Just because your rebuilding doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have options or positions filled. Don’t think Primo should ever play PG lol maybe Wesley but I doubt he gets as much opportunity

[rastaspur]

He'll bring in campuzazo or what ever his name is on a minimum deal. Hes not winning games but he's a tough lil shit who gets under players skin. Would be fun to watch tbh.

[rastaspur]

What is woke? Don’t be that guy who has all the answers but puts forth no action! I don’t know you but would be real interested in hearing how you are helping your country and your fellow American people out ( yeah that includes the ones that don’t look like you ).

Honestly, when the right uses woke 80% of the time its just is a smokescreen to avoid accountability of the majority opinion or the pr leg of capitalism.

Alan dershowitz is a perfect example. This shill has been going on and on for two years about how people at Martha's vineyard have blackballed him because he supports trump. Bs deflection. Their woke blah blah. Nay. They just don't want to be around a horrible human being based on his known pedophilic behavior with Epstein, for carrying Epstein's water, pretending Bannon was wrongly found guilty of an open and shut process crime of refusal to abide by a subpoena, etc, etc.

The problem becomes this. Republicans are in the minority. It doesn't matter what they say. The idiotic cult examples like rally size and dumb shit mean nothing other than provide text book examples of cult behavior.

National companies go with the majority trend/opinions. So when a coca cola or Nike picks a woke position it's just a tacit acknowledgment that the right is in fact in the minority and holds less economic leverage.

Hence the reason the rights attempts to cancel companies that have a global or truly national product or necessary product fail.

Hence the right trying to change the narrative with the woke bs and how they hey are always trying to convince the public they are the majority. Just smoke and mirrors.

Like trump's crowd sizes. Like how they claimed a million patriots were there January 6th when it was actually 15 to 20 k and Charlie Kirk and ginni Thomas organization paid to have 80 buses full of people brought in. 80 x 100= almost half were given a paid for trip by just one right wing organization . Smoke and mirrors.

[palangi]

Just because your rebuilding doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have options or positions filled. Don’t think Primo should ever play PG lol maybe Wesley but I doubt he gets as much opportunity
Well this is the year you would find out if he can or can’t. But you have to find out. Remember Murray didn’t look great right away either

[tonight...you]

Honestly, when the right uses woke 80% of the time its just is a smokescreen to avoid accountability of the majority opinion or the pr leg of capitalism.

Alan dershowitz is a perfect example. This shill has been going on and on for two years about how people at Martha's vineyard have blackballed him because he supports trump. Bs deflection. Their woke blah blah. Nay. They just don't want to be around a horrible human being based on his known pedophilic behavior with Epstein, for carrying Epstein's water, pretending Bannon was wrongly found guilty of an open and shut process crime of refusal to abide by a subpoena, etc, etc.

The problem becomes this. Republicans are in the minority. It doesn't matter what they say. The idiotic cult examples like rally size and dumb shit mean nothing other than provide text book examples of cult behavior.

National companies go with the majority trend/opinions. So when a coca cola or Nike picks a woke position it's just a tacit acknowledgment that the right is in fact in the minority and holds less economic leverage.

Hence the reason the rights attempts to cancel companies that have a global or truly national product or necessary product fail.

Hence the right trying to change the narrative with the woke bs and how they hey are always trying to convince the public they are the majority. Just smoke and mirrors.

Like trump's crowd sizes. Like how they claimed a million patriots were there January 6th when it was actually 15 to 20 k and Charlie Kirk and ginni Thomas organization paid to have 80 buses full of people brought in. 80 x 100= almost half were given a paid for trip by just one right wing organization . Smoke and mirrors.
My man.

[Chinook]

I'd be at least a bit tempted to try to steal Sexton on a team-friendly but still expensive deal. Something like $80M/4 but with only the first year guaranteed. Then the second year could be guaranteed after the next draft, and the third year and fourth-year player option could be guaranteed the draft after that. So Sexton sucks or the team needs cap space, he can be cut with no future cap implications, but they also get a second year to look at him/trade him if he doesn't suck. I'm not a person who thinks the Spurs need a PG, but I do think they're a team that could use an offensive guard for a year or two

[dbestpro]

The Spurs should sign Sexton, give him the ball, let him average 25ppg and then trade him for a couple 1st picks.

[slick'81]

The Spurs should sign Sexton, give him the ball, let him average 25ppg and then trade him for a couple 1st picks.


nah, they need to lose as much as possible and pray to the lottery gods

[dbestpro]

Honestly, when the right uses woke 80% of the time its just is a smokescreen to avoid accountability of the majority opinion or the pr leg of capitalism.

Alan dershowitz is a perfect example. This shill has been going on and on for two years about how people at Martha's vineyard have blackballed him because he supports trump. Bs deflection. Their woke blah blah. Nay. They just don't want to be around a horrible human being based on his known pedophilic behavior with Epstein, for carrying Epstein's water, pretending Bannon was wrongly found guilty of an open and shut process crime of refusal to abide by a subpoena, etc, etc.

The problem becomes this. Republicans are in the minority. It doesn't matter what they say. The idiotic cult examples like rally size and dumb shit mean nothing other than provide text book examples of cult behavior.

National companies go with the majority trend/opinions. So when a coca cola or Nike picks a woke position it's just a tacit acknowledgment that the right is in fact in the minority and holds less economic leverage.

Hence the reason the rights attempts to cancel companies that have a global or truly national product or necessary product fail.

Hence the right trying to change the narrative with the woke bs and how they hey are always trying to convince the public they are the majority. Just smoke and mirrors.

Like trump's crowd sizes. Like how they claimed a million patriots were there January 6th when it was actually 15 to 20 k and Charlie Kirk and ginni Thomas organization paid to have 80 buses full of people brought in. 80 x 100= almost half were given a paid for trip by just one right wing organization . Smoke and mirrors.

Then based off your assertions we should expect a blue wave this November.

[Chinook]

nah, they need to lose as much as possible and pray to the lottery gods

Why do those two idea contradict in your mind? The Cavs lost plenty with Sexton in the fold.

[exstatic]

Why do those two idea contradict in your mind? The Cavs lost plenty with Sexton in the fold.

1. Why spend $20M on a player who won’t help you win?
2. Why spend $20M on a player who WILL help you win?

[Degoat]

1. Why spend $20M on a player who won’t help you win?
2. Why spend $20M on a player who WILL help you win?

If Collin Sexton ups his game and is on a decent salary he becomes a valuable trade piece

[Chinook]

1. Why spend $20M on a player who won’t help you win?
2. Why spend $20M on a player who WILL help you win?

If the Spurs were a Sexton away from winning, it could make sense. But they aren't. Especially if/when they trade Poeltl and Richardson, they'll be losing games. But they could use a guy who already knows how to score to give structure to their offense. Sexton had his best year in the season that led to Cleveland getting Mobley. We're talking about whether to spend just as much if not more cap taking back a negative player for the best pick the Spurs could get. They could do that, OR they could use some of that on a guy they should be able to trade or who's probably going to at least be more valuable than the first they're going to get with their cap space otherwise. It's just good asset management. Worrying after the possibility of the Spurs being good due to the young guard they locked into a four-year deal would be like worrying they'll be too good because one of the guys they drafted ends up being an impact player. If that's really the downside of all this, the Spurs are in a great position.

[JuneJive]

Spending on Sexton with the intention of trading him.

Plus, taking away minutes and development from Primo / Wesley.

A shitty idea.

[exstatic]

If Collin Sexton ups his game and is on a decent salary he becomes a valuable trade piece

And helps us win, which we supposedly don’t want to?

[rankingtear]

If the Spurs were a Sexton away from winning, it could make sense. But they aren't. Especially if/when they trade Poeltl and Richardson, they'll be losing games. But they could use a guy who already knows how to score to give structure to their offense. Sexton had his best year in the season that led to Cleveland getting Mobley. We're talking about whether to spend just as much if not more cap taking back a negative player for the best pick the Spurs could get. They could do that, OR they could use some of that on a guy they should be able to trade or who's probably going to at least be more valuable than the first they're going to get with their cap space otherwise. It's just good asset management. Worrying after the possibility of the Spurs being good due to the young guard they locked into a four-year deal would be like worrying they'll be too good because one of the guys they drafted ends up being an impact player. If that's really the downside of all this, the Spurs are in a great position.

He is coming back from a knee injury. You are stuck with him for a year and a half at least. That is two trade deadlines and and two off-season to get assets for capspace.

[dbestpro]

If Collin Sexton ups his game and is on a decent salary he becomes a valuable trade piece

This is what makes sense rather than watching the cap space do nothing. Also, he might become the guard we want for the future.

[TimDunkem]

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I can't even see the whole jersey and I already hate them. Looks like more low-effort "culture" crap from the FO per usual.

[exstatic]

This is what makes sense rather than watching the cap space do nothing. Also, he might become the guard we want for the future.

You people have the patience of a gnat. We're not even out of July yet, and training camp isn't until September.

Sexton is worse on defense than Forbes. Worse than Forbes. Let that sink in.

There
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the
cap
space
other
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mind

[KingKev]

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[exstatic]

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:lol You don't even know how to embed an image, old man.

[KingKev]

:lol You don't even know how to embed an image, old man.

haha so true I was legit thinking that as I was chirping.

[Chinook]

There is a rush to use cap space. The NBA cap doesn't roll over, so space is necessarily ephemeral. There are multiple ways of turning it into assets. One is to take bad money. Another is to turn it into good money. In the Spurs case, they can do both. Unless you're confident that the Spurs need all of their net cap space -- which is basically only necessary for Westbrook, they have the matching salary available to do any other deal discussed here. I would argue that a smaller trade plus Sexton could easily be more valuable than one big trade, or more likely a small trade and floor payments to other players.

[exstatic]

There is a rush to use cap space. The NBA cap doesn't roll over, so space is necessarily ephemeral. There are multiple ways of turning it into assets. One is to take bad money. Another is to turn it into good money. In the Spurs case, they can do both. Unless you're confident that the Spurs need all of their net cap space -- which is basically only necessary for Westbrook, they have the matching salary available to do any other deal discussed here. I would argue that a smaller trade plus Sexton could easily be more valuable than one big trade, or more likely a small trade and floor payments to other players.

They could literally hold the cap space until the next draft, and be a cap player then. It doesn't expire until 30 June 2023.

[Chinook]

They could literally hold the cap space until the next draft, and be a cap player then. It doesn't expire until 30 June 2023.

And they could hold onto cap space believing there's no rush, bypassing decent opportunities, only to have nothing good during draft night. Sometimes the first opportunity is best, and not putting all your chips into the basket of hoping the best options are available at the end really helps.

Again, unless you can establish that the Spurs need to use cap all of their cap space in a later move, you aren't actually arguing against using some of it on Sexton or any other smaller/mid-sized transaction.

[heyheymymy]

rasta spur I too am intrigued with Facundo as a low key PG pick up for SATX. Is this even feasible?

[cjw]

Cap space isn’t a binary black and white issue. They can use some on someone like Sexton (not sold that it should be him, but as a straw man) and still have enough space to absorb salary / facilitate something later in the season or before the start of FA next year.

You don’t need to hold the entire amount for a Westbrook facilitation. Spurs can send a small amount out, and trades can add teams in order to grow total number to make matching easier.

[TD 21]

I'd be at least a bit tempted to try to steal Sexton on a team-friendly but still expensive deal. Something like $80M/4 but with only the first year guaranteed. Then the second year could be guaranteed after the next draft, and the third year and fourth-year player option could be guaranteed the draft after that. So Sexton sucks or the team needs cap space, he can be cut with no future cap implications, but they also get a second year to look at him/trade him if he doesn't suck. I'm not a person who thinks the Spurs need a PG, but I do think they're a team that could use an offensive guard for a year or two

Since you agree that they need someone who can credibly create offense, I presume the not needing a PG comment is more so semantics, especially since Sexton is a PG sized SG anyway.

I agree that the possible reward (as you said, giving the offense some structure without being impactful enough to have an adverse effect on the tank and resale value) for bringing him in as a relatively low cost stopgap would outweigh the risk (a selfish gunner, who'd be without a long term guarantee, on a no name bottom feeder could be combustible).

Apparently they have no interest though and that structure more than likely wouldn't get it done anyway.


rasta spur I too am intrigued with Facundo as a low key PG pick up for SATX. Is this even feasible?

Not only is it, but the most likely outcome is probably signing someone like him or trading for someone like Joseph (Langford?).

[bluebellmaniac]

1. Why spend $20M on a player who won’t help you win?
2. Why spend $20M on a player who WILL help you win?

Helps us gather unprotected draft picks. We help make him better, then he indirectly helps our draft in future yrs.

[exstatic]

Helps us gather unprotected draft picks. We help make him better, then he indirectly helps our draft in future yrs.

How does he help us gather unprotected picks? If he could pull that in a trade, Cleveland would be swamped with offers.

[The Truth #6]

Should Spurs fans be cheering for Boston to break the bank trading for KD? I would think yes, as it would imply a shorter window due to KD’s age and mercurial nature. But I’m trying to remember when that trade kicks in…2025? Thoughts?

[exstatic]

Should Spurs fans be cheering for Boston to break the bank trading for KD? I would think yes, as it would imply a shorter window due to KD’s age and mercurial nature. But I’m trying to remember when that trade kicks in…2025? Thoughts?

The pick swap is in 2028.

[CGD]

If the lakers insist on their current posture re Brick, there really is no need to hold up doing smaller business.

Hell, if that ESPN article about the Suns’ cavalier attitude toward draft picks is to believed, Spurs should be proactive about helping them get under the tax if it means a decent pick coming back.

[KingKev]

I’m highly skeptical anything with Russ gets done. The cost to get off him and get something back is two FRPs with little to no protection.

The Lakers are inclined to focus on health, especially AD and bringing defensive intensity. Darvin Ham is low key a great personality to coach that team. He is an out the mud, hard working, no BS type guy who will actually keep ppl accountable. If they can swing Kyrie for Russ and 2 FRPs than you have to consider it otherwise they are going into the season with this roster and if they look decent 20 games in will be able to add a buy out vet or two as the season progresses.

The Spurs should starts looking elsewhere for opportunities to use some of this space IMO.

[tonight...you]

I’m highly skeptical anything with Russ gets done. The cost to get off him and get something back is two FRPs with little to no protection.

The Lakers are inclined to focus on health, especially AD and bringing defensive intensity. Darvin Ham is low key a great personality to coach that team. He is an out the mud, hard working, no BS type guy who will actually keep ppl accountable. If they can swing Kyrie for Russ and 2 FRPs than you have to consider it otherwise they are going into the season with this roster and if they look decent 20 games in will be able to add a buy out vet or two as the season progresses.

The Spurs should starts looking elsewhere for opportunities to use some of this space IMO.
I wrote this long-ass post talking about how the Lakers would be better off just keeping Westgoob and letting his money drop off the books, and then I looked at their books.

As the inimitable Roseanne Roseannadanna said:
Nevermind.

[KingKev]

I wrote this long-ass post talking about how the Lakers would be better off just keeping Westgoob and letting his money drop off the books, and then I looked at their books.

As the inimitable Roseanne Roseannadanna said:
Nevermind.

I had to google who that was.

Their books are clean come 2023. They can easily re-sign LBJ (especially if he takes a paycut) and sign another max player.

[tonight...you]

I had to google who that was.

Their books are clean come 2023. They can easily re-sign LBJ (especially if he takes a paycut) and sign another max player.
I am a huge Mel Brooks fan (my mom drove me there) which led me to being a Gene Wilder fan which led me to his wife.
Otherwise I've never consciously watched SNL.
Not because I dislike it, I just never watched it.

[Dex]

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As I eat my popcorn, I love the fact that nobody wants to take on Russ and his terrible contract....especially for decent players/assets

Burn, Lakers, burn

[heyheymymy]

Yeah that offer is a joke. So IND has to give up not one but two decent players for the privilege of dealing with junk on a junk contract with only 1 FRP to sweeten the deal?

[Seventyniner]

Yeah that offer is a joke. So IND has to give up not one but two decent players for the privilege of dealing with junk on a junk contract with only 1 FRP to sweeten the deal?

Agreed.

If the Lakers want to turn Westbrook into two actual decent-to-good players, they will have to give up unprotected picks in 2027 and 2029, and probably at least one unprotected swap (2026 or 2028). The deals for Dejounte and Gobert set the market. You gotta overpay.

[XDT76]

The Lakers want to get rid of Westbrook greatly, but they still did not realise that Westbrook by himself is already a liability, they need to offer asset to trade him alone.

[scott]

And they could hold onto cap space believing there's no rush, bypassing decent opportunities, only to have nothing good during draft night. Sometimes the first opportunity is best, and not putting all your chips into the basket of hoping the best options are available at the end really helps.

Again, unless you can establish that the Spurs need to use cap all of their cap space in a later move, you aren't actually arguing against using some of it on Sexton or any other smaller/mid-sized transaction.

Another fantastic point by Chinook, per usual. While there is no technical "rush" to use the cap space, there is an effective one - in that opportunities to use the cap space by nature decline as time passes (because every previous opportunity that you had may no longer exist). There is a certain element of risk in holding out for a better deal, in that a better deal is not assured to ever materialize. The worst ways to use your cap space, in terms of team building, is by paying out roster bonuses because you failed to hit your salary floor and having unused cap at the end of the year. With that said, having $12mm in unused cap at the end of the season may be what the Spurs ownership needs to have a financially successful season and maybe they aren't really that concerned with the incremental team building assets that could have been acquired for that amount of money.

[SPURt]

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As I eat my popcorn, I love the fact that nobody wants to take on Russ and his terrible contract....especially for decent players/assets

Burn, Lakers, burn
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[KingKev]

^ it’s funny that the Lakers throw out THT as a young asset even though with his contract he is probably still a negative asset

LBJ finallly has to go back to trying to make a team actually work. Imagine that.

[exstatic]

Another fantastic point by Chinook, per usual. While there is no technical "rush" to use the cap space, there is an effective one - in that opportunities to use the cap space by nature decline as time passes (because every previous opportunity that you had may no longer exist). There is a certain element of risk in holding out for a better deal, in that a better deal is not assured to ever materialize. The worst ways to use your cap space, in terms of team building, is by paying out roster bonuses because you failed to hit your salary floor and having unused cap at the end of the year. With that said, having $12mm in unused cap at the end of the season may be what the Spurs ownership needs to have a financially successful season and maybe they aren't really that concerned with the incremental team building assets that could have been acquired for that amount of money.
The Lakers are on more of a deadline than we are. I believe two things: they don’t want Russ this season, and they won’t want this to drag into training camp. I don’t believe that Phoenix is under any time crunch. Their deadline to bypass the tax is the February trade deadline. That’s their deadline to slide under the tax. We can take LA to their deadline, and if they still pass, still have time to pivot to PHO.

[rankingtear]

Another fantastic point by Chinook, per usual. While there is no technical "rush" to use the cap space, there is an effective one - in that opportunities to use the cap space by nature decline as time passes (because every previous opportunity that you had may no longer exist). There is a certain element of risk in holding out for a better deal, in that a better deal is not assured to ever materialize. The worst ways to use your cap space, in terms of team building, is by paying out roster bonuses because you failed to hit your salary floor and having unused cap at the end of the year. With that said, having $12mm in unused cap at the end of the season may be what the Spurs ownership needs to have a financially successful season and maybe they aren't really that concerned with the incremental team building assets that could have been acquired for that amount of money.

Overpaying restricted free agents is not good asset management. What's worse is overpaying a restricted free agent you don't want.

[exstatic]

The Lakers want to get rid of Westbrook greatly, but they still did not realise that Westbrook by himself is already a liability, they need to offer asset to trade him alone.

I think they do realize it, but they're kind of constrained from saying the quiet part out loud in case they can't get rid of him. That would be awkward.

[heyheymymy]

It's crazy too because if the Lakers had just shown up in shape last year I wonder if they look better? AD was so stiff every game, played only half the season. LBJ mailed it in. I guess age in LBJs case has factored in but I think AD literally just didn't train or workout at all. No doubt WB looked like shit, his team wasn't there around him at all. I mean where is the line between how actually shitty these Lakers are and how out of shape they were. Prob just actually shitty regardless but it makes you wonder.

AD played 40 games and LBJ played 56 games. Wow. They took almost half the season off lol. What am I missing?

[CGD]

^ it’s funny that the Lakers throw out THT as a young asset even though with his contract he is probably still a negative asset

LBJ finallly has to go back to trying to make a team actually work. Imagine that.

I know right? They still think its 2020

[KingKev]

It's crazy too because if the Lakers had just shown up in shape last year I wonder if they look better? AD was so stiff every game, played only half the season. LBJ mailed it in. I guess age in LBJs case has factored in but I think AD literally just didn't train or workout at all. No doubt WB looked like shit, his team wasn't there around him at all. I mean where is the line between how actually shitty these Lakers are and how out of shape they were. Prob just actually shitty regardless but it makes you wonder.

AD played 40 games and LBJ played 56 games. Wow. They took almost half the season off lol. What am I missing?

These guys have gotten used to / lucky in turning it on when it counts. LBJ should be allowed to coast to be pkayoff ready but AD just hasn’t been their mentally or physically. If he is mentally and physically ready he is a top 5-10 talent no doubt and should be in MVP conversation while carrying the Lakers.

[exstatic]

These guys have gotten used to / lucky in turning it on when it counts. LBJ should be allowed to coast to be pkayoff ready but AD just hasn’t been their mentally or physically. If he is mentally and physically ready he is a top 5-10 talent no doubt and should be in MVP conversation while carrying the Lakers.

Probably why N.O. never went anywhere.

[scott]

Overpaying restricted free agents is not good asset management. What's worse is overpaying a restricted free agent you don't want.

I'm certainly not suggesting we do that. However, waiting for the perfect deal to come along is a bit a game of chicken. That deal may never materialize, and you may be left holding the bag. It is easy to conjure up in ones mind which hypothetical deals might arise in the future, but there is a whole degree of variability that cannot be known between now and that future date (including what other teams might do to undercut the hypothetical future deal). This is largely why teams end up making deals that fans think aren't the best a team could have gotten. GM's need to weigh the EV of various deals, and often times a 100% chance of a deal today is better EV than the X% chance of some better deal materializing in the future.

Do the Spurs need to rush to make a deal today? No. But it needs to be understood that as time progresses, the odds that you fail to constructively use any of your cap space towards positive team building increases. The Spurs can and should be picky... but they can't afford to be TOO picky (unless, of course, saving $12MM is important to the team's ownership. Seems like small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, but who knows).

[KingKev]

Probably why N.O. never went anywhere.

Still time to switch up but I feel like when it is all said and done he is going to be that failed comp to Tim Duncan similarly what Dwight Howard is to Shaq

[exstatic]

I'm certainly not suggesting we do that. However, waiting for the perfect deal to come along is a bit a game of chicken. That deal may never materialize, and you may be left holding the bag. It is easy to conjure up in ones mind which hypothetical deals might arise in the future, but there is a whole degree of variability that cannot be known between now and that future date (including what other teams might do to undercut the hypothetical future deal). This is largely why teams end up making deals that fans think aren't the best a team could have gotten. GM's need to weigh the EV of various deals, and often times a 100% chance of a deal today is better EV than the X% chance of some better deal materializing in the future.

Do the Spurs need to rush to make a deal today? No. But it needs to be understood that as time progresses, the odds that you fail to constructively use any of your cap space towards positive team building increases. The Spurs can and should be picky... but they can't afford to be TOO picky (unless, of course, saving $12MM is important to the team's ownership. Seems like small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, but who knows).

You don't want to close any doors before you have to, and we can wait out LA, and not lose other opportunities. LA likely doesn't want to go into training camp with this hanging over their heads. You just can't rush it when an unprotected FRP is up for grabs. Phoenix OTOH is in no hurry. Their goal is $15M off the cap figure before the Feb trade deadline so they stay out of the tax. There will also be other teams lining up around that time who look to not be making the playoffs.

[spurraider21]

What is woke? Don’t be that guy who has all the answers but puts forth no action! I don’t know you but would be real interested in hearing how you are helping your country and your fellow American people out ( yeah that includes the ones that don’t look like you ).
woke is something thats become a vague and meaningless term that conservatives use to describe literally anything they dont like. taxes? woke. acknowledging historical racism? woke. gay and trans people merely existing? woke. donald trump calls people woke for acknowledging the results of the 2020 election :lol

i was hoping you'd capture the sarcasm in the comment you are responding to

[BackHome]

Bump to 100

[Atl Spur]

woke is something thats become a vague and meaningless term that conservatives use to describe literally anything they dont like. taxes? woke. acknowledging historical racism? woke. gay and trans people merely existing? woke. donald trump calls people woke for acknowledging the results of the 2020 election :lol

i was hoping you'd capture the sarcasm in the comment you are responding to

Cool.

[scott]

You don't want to close any doors before you have to, and we can wait out LA, and not lose other opportunities. LA likely doesn't want to go into training camp with this hanging over their heads. You just can't rush it when an unprotected FRP is up for grabs. Phoenix OTOH is in no hurry. Their goal is $15M off the cap figure before the Feb trade deadline so they stay out of the tax. There will also be other teams lining up around that time who look to not be making the playoffs.

Problem is you have zero way of knowing when any door will close - and in all likelihood you won't be given any notice of it closing with you left on the outside wondering what if. You make a lot of assumptions as to what other teams may be willing to do, but there are also 28 other teams who may get in on the action while you sit around and wait for the best deal. You are correct, that you don't rush it... but you also can't just wait around for the perfect deal you've built in your mind to materialize. It's a game of chicken with a slice of poker and a pinch of roulette added in.

[tonight...you]

Problem is you have zero way of knowing when any door will close - and in all likelihood you won't be given any notice of it closing with you left on the outside wondering what if. You make a lot of assumptions as to what other teams may be willing to do, but there are also 28 other teams who may get in on the action while you sit around and wait for the best deal. You are correct, that you don't rush it... but you also can't just wait around for the perfect deal you've built in your mind to materialize. It's a game of chicken with a slice of poker and a pinch of roulette added in.
Maybe. I would think all these GM's talk to each other all the time and each one know who can do and is willing to do what except for those major deals that require quite a bit of negotiations.

Teams just aren't sitting in the dark waiting to see a light.
They are all actively trying to find the strip that lights the match and have ideas how and who can do it.

Of course unforeseen things happen, just look at the Nets, but for the most part communication is open between teams and sometimes all it takes is the clock ticking down.

[Chinook]

I think it's a mistake to focus on LAL. We know they aren't going to be able to pay more than an unprotected first for Westbrook, seeing as they still have to pay the team they're getting the player from. There's pretty much more good reason to believe that saving all of their cap space for that trade is the best use. They could easily sign Sexton, take on a smaller bad-money deal for a first (likely protected but probably likely to convey) and still get future assets for Richardson and the other vets. They could get two or three firsts while still signing Sexton if they played their cards right. From what timvp said, the Spurs are likely willing to trade Poeltl AND take Westbrook for an unprotected pick. That's ridiculous, and it certainly isn't something I would consider better than locking in a young player who played well in a manageable contract with lots of option value. It's not even clear that the Spurs need to keep all of their cap space to take back Westbrook. The Spurs have a lot of good salary they can send out in a deal. Especially with them not being subject to aggregation rules, they could facilitate a Westbrook trade after doing any number of deals. Trying to define your off-season through a chicken match with another team is absurd.

[exstatic]

Problem is you have zero way of knowing when any door will close - and in all likelihood you won't be given any notice of it closing with you left on the outside wondering what if. You make a lot of assumptions as to what other teams may be willing to do, but there are also 28 other teams who may get in on the action while you sit around and wait for the best deal. You are correct, that you don't rush it... but you also can't just wait around for the perfect deal you've built in your mind to materialize. It's a game of chicken with a slice of poker and a pinch of roulette added in.

There aren't 28 teams with cap room. There are like 3, and we have the most. LA's door closes as training camp continues. If they're dumbasses, we move on to PHO.

It's not about waiting around, it's about waiting them out. They know, on some level, that we are their only chance to get rid of Russ, and acquire Kyrie. That's a powerful bargaining chip at the poker table. They won't want to cave in July, but they likely will in September, when another lottery season with old players is staring them in the face. They won't win a chip with Kyrie, but they'll be a top half playoff team with a chance to make a little noise. Compare that with another lottery trip, and then New Orleans swaps picks, which they have the right to do next year. LA literally cannot afford for that to happen.

[exstatic]

Maybe. I would think all these GM's talk to each other all the time and each one know who can do and is willing to do what except for those major deals that require quite a bit of negotiations.

Teams just aren't sitting in the dark waiting to see a light.
They are all actively trying to find the strip that lights the match and have ideas how and who can do it.

Of course unforeseen things happen, just look at the Nets, but for the most part communication is open between teams and sometimes all it takes is the clock ticking down.

Bingo

[exstatic]

I think it's a mistake to focus on LAL. We know they aren't going to be able to pay more than an unprotected first for Westbrook, seeing as they still have to pay the team they're getting the player from. There's pretty much more good reason to believe that saving all of their cap space for that trade is the best use. They could easily sign Sexton, take on a smaller bad-money deal for a first (likely protected but probably likely to convey) and still get future assets for Richardson and the other vets. They could get two or three firsts while still signing Sexton if they played their cards right. From what timvp said, the Spurs are likely willing to trade Poeltl AND take Westbrook for an unprotected pick. That's ridiculous, and it certainly isn't something I would consider better than locking in a young player who played well in a manageable contract with lots of option value. It's not even clear that the Spurs need to keep all of their cap space to take back Westbrook. The Spurs have a lot of good salary they can send out in a deal. Especially with them not being subject to aggregation rules, they could facilitate a Westbrook trade after doing any number of deals. Trying to define your off-season through a chicken match with another team is absurd.

Unless you completely ignore advanced stats, Sexton is fucking trash.

[tonight...you]

Unless you completely ignore advanced stats, Sexton is fucking trash.

I have to say I'm not a fan of a selfish, aggressive Bryn Forbes.

[RC_Drunkford]

These guys have gotten used to / lucky in turning it on when it counts. LBJ should be allowed to coast to be pkayoff ready but AD just hasn’t been their mentally or physically. If he is mentally and physically ready he is a top 5-10 talent no doubt and should be in MVP conversation while carrying the Lakers.

LaMarcus Aldridge > AD

I've been saying this for years. AD can't carry a team to the playoffs by himself. Prime LMA was doing that on the regular

[exstatic]

I have to say I'm not a fan of a selfish, aggressive Bryn Forbes.

I performed a little thought exercise today, and went to bbref and did a player compare between Sexton and Tre Jones. Kinda eye opening.

[KingKev]

Maybe. I would think all these GM's talk to each other all the time and each one know who can do and is willing to do what except for those major deals that require quite a bit of negotiations.

Teams just aren't sitting in the dark waiting to see a light.
They are all actively trying to find the strip that lights the match and have ideas how and who can do it.

Of course unforeseen things happen, just look at the Nets, but for the most part communication is open between teams and sometimes all it takes is the clock ticking down.

Disagree. Information is not free. Lines of communication are not fluid across the board. This is strategy. This is relationships that are built over years. This is big business.

[KingKev]

Bo Cruz is a Raptor

[tonight...you]

Disagree. Information is not free. Lines of communication are not fluid across the board. This is strategy. This is relationships that are built over years. This is big business.
I do agree with you.
There is gamesmanship and secrets not divulged, but there is an open line of communication.

Like I said, it certainly is not like teams operate completely in the dark.
They are all talking to each other.

[XDT76]

You don't want to close any doors before you have to, and we can wait out LA, and not lose other opportunities. LA likely doesn't want to go into training camp with this hanging over their heads. You just can't rush it when an unprotected FRP is up for grabs. Phoenix OTOH is in no hurry. Their goal is $15M off the cap figure before the Feb trade deadline so they stay out of the tax. There will also be other teams lining up around that time who look to not be making the playoffs.

Don't think the Lakers is going anywhere with WB deal. They would not want to trade him away alone as they would still be over cap to get help and they don't have asset to get rid of him and get decent help in the same trade.

[tbdog]

LaMarcus Aldridge > AD

I've been saying this for years. AD can't carry a team to the playoffs by himself. Prime LMA was doing that on the regular



I've said that for years. Although I think AD is a tad tiny, bit better. The only reason why i would trade LA for AD straight up was due to age. Other than that, they were essentially the same talent. And looks like AD is falling off. People didn't call out AD stinking it up last season. Lakers poor season wasn't just because of Westbrook. AD forgot how to shoot but kept jacking up shots. And his D has fallen way down.

[exstatic]

Don't think the Lakers is going anywhere with WB deal. They would not want to trade him away alone as they would still be over cap to get help and they don't have asset to get rid of him and get decent help in the same trade.

The assumption from the beginning has always been a 3 way trade, with Kyrie going to LA.

[TD 21]

LaMarcus Aldridge > AD

I've been saying this for years. AD can't carry a team to the playoffs by himself. Prime LMA was doing that on the regular

:lmao Results without context. Davis did carry the Pelicans to the playoffs multiple times despite the team being perennially decimated by injury and mostly being mediocre or worse at the best of times, while Aldridge mostly got to play with Roy, Lillard and Scumbag throughout his prime.

Aldridge's back to the basket style and superior durability made him a more ideal offensive hub, but there's no credible argument for him having been the better player.



I've said that for years. Although I think AD is a tad tiny, bit better. The only reason why i would trade LA for AD straight up was due to age. Other than that, they were essentially the same talent. And looks like AD is falling off. People didn't call out AD stinking it up last season. Lakers poor season wasn't just because of Westbrook. AD forgot how to shoot but kept jacking up shots. And his D has fallen way down.

:lmao Davis was and is clearly a superior talent, a superstar to Aldridge's star.

That's just not true. Davis' reputation has taken a beating the past two seasons.

[SpursFan86]

Surely people don’t actually believe Aldridge > AD :lol The only advantage Aldridge has is being healthier…from a talent perspective there’s no debate.

[rjv]

looks like happy gilmore's unicorn landed in toronto.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268087/Juancho-Hernangomez-Raptors-Agree-To-One-Year-Deal

[XDT76]

The assumption from the beginning has always been a 3 way trade, with Kyrie going to LA.

Other than Lakers and their fans, no one believed it will happen as they do not have the assets.

[exstatic]

Other than Lakers and their fans, no one believed it will happen as they do not have the assets.

I don't think BKN is looking for all that much for Kyrie, PITA and ending contract that he is. The payoff they're looking for is for Durant. There was actually a little buzz at the beginning of FA that they might waive or stretch him. I didn't buy that, but I don't think they're looking for a ton of assets to get off his contract.

They have 2 tradeable FRPs (2027,2029) and a possible swap (2028) within their 2029 window of tradeable picks, and I'm guessing if they send us one unprotected FRP with Russ, and BKN the other unprotected FRP, plus an unprotected swap, it could get done.

[KingKev]

looks like happy gilmore's unicorn landed in toronto.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268087/Juancho-Hernangomez-Raptors-Agree-To-One-Year-Deal

What’s kind of ironic is Adam Sandler has been living in Yorkville an upscale downtown neighbourhood in TO all summer. Probs filming a movie.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I don't think BKN is looking for all that much for Kyrie, PITA and ending contract that he is. The payoff they're looking for is for Durant. There was actually a little buzz at the beginning of FA that they might waive or stretch him. I didn't buy that, but I don't think they're looking for a ton of assets to get off his contract.

They have 2 tradeable FRPs (2027,2029) and a possible swap (2028) within their 2029 window of tradeable picks, and I'm guessing if they send us one unprotected FRP with Russ, and BKN the other unprotected FRP, plus an unprotected swap, it could get done.

If the Spurs are going to eat RW's contract for just one FRP I'd sure like to unload McDermott and maybe Langford in the process. I believe that the Lakers can take back almost $60 million sending out Westbrick. So the Lakers could take Kyrie, McD and Langford. That would set the Spurs up with massive cap space next year. Maybe enough to 2 max contracts. I think it might be easier to get 2 guys that want to play together to come to SA rather than just one prime FA coming to save the franchise...

[buttsR4rebounding]

I think if they did unload McD and Langford for WB they would still have some cap space. They could still probably make some small moves and have enough space left to take Saric from the Suns for a FRP.

[Kevin]

Lakers wont take back Doug because they'll have cap space next summer. They could take back Langford and Richardson.

[RC_Drunkford]

:lmao Results without context. Davis did carry the Pelicans to the playoffs multiple times despite the team being perennially decimated by injury and mostly being mediocre or worse at the best of times, while Aldridge mostly got to play with Roy, Lillard and Scumbag throughout his prime.

Aldridge's back to the basket style and superior durability made him a more ideal offensive hub, but there's no credible argument for him having been the better player.




:lmao Davis was and is clearly a superior talent, a superstar to Aldridge's star.

That's just not true. Davis' reputation has taken a beating the past two seasons.

your dumbass forgot he played with Jrue Holiday who made the All-Star team a couple of times huh? Eric Gordon? Prime Boogie Cousins? AD missed the playoffs more often than he made them, he only got to the playoffs 4 times total with NOLA including his rookie season where he was their 4th best player so cut the crap. You could always establish Aldridge as an first option offensively and he will get you to the first round. Let's not act like Aldridge didn't carry the 2018 Spurs to the playoffs and the 2019 squad with DeRozan wasn't much better.


Surely people don’t actually believe Aldridge > AD :lol The only advantage Aldridge has is being healthier…from a talent perspective there’s no debate.

like being healthy or made out of glass doesn't play a factor :lmao AD played a booming 76 games in 2 seasons :lmao

[poopbox]

LaMarcus Aldridge > AD

I've been saying this for years. AD can't carry a team to the playoffs by himself. Prime LMA was doing that on the regular

AD never had a Damien Lillard or a Brandon Roy to play with either.

[The Truth #6]

I think AD is even more mentally fragile than LMA. Or maybe just a dickweed. He sure did fuck over NO. AD is definitely overrated. But hard to compare them for me. Both are nebulous players.

[TD 21]

your dumbass forgot he played with Jrue Holiday who made the All-Star team a couple of times huh? Eric Gordon? Prime Boogie Cousins? AD missed the playoffs more often than he made them, he only got to the playoffs 4 times total with NOLA including his rookie season where he was their 4th best player so cut the crap. You could always establish Aldridge as an first option offensively and he will get you to the first round. Let's not act like Aldridge didn't carry the 2018 Spurs to the playoffs and the 2019 squad with DeRozan wasn't much better.



like being healthy or made out of glass doesn't play a factor :lmao AD played a booming 76 games in 2 seasons :lmao

:lmao The guy claiming Aldridge was better than Davis has the audacity to call someone else a "dumbass". Some of you people are so ignorant it's unbelievable. Go to virtually any basketball forum on the internet (social media, message board, whatever), particularly non Spurs centric ones, say something that stupid and see what the response will be.

Holiday has made one All-Star team in his career, in '13 as 76er. The teams with him and the others you named were, as I said, perennially decimated by injury, in a loaded conference no less.

:lmao At comparing those players to the likes of Roy, Lillard, Scumbag. Only Cousins had a similar talent level, but came with baggage and played a whole 65 games for them.

[timtonymanu]

your dumbass forgot he played with Jrue Holiday who made the All-Star team a couple of times huh? Eric Gordon? Prime Boogie Cousins? AD missed the playoffs more often than he made them, he only got to the playoffs 4 times total with NOLA including his rookie season where he was their 4th best player so cut the crap. You could always establish Aldridge as an first option offensively and he will get you to the first round. Let's not act like Aldridge didn't carry the 2018 Spurs to the playoffs and the 2019 squad with DeRozan wasn't much better.



Aldridge also led the 2011 Blazers when Roy was out most of the year. His second best teammate was like Wes Matthews or Andre Miller. I've criticized LMA a lot, but it's not like he was carried on every single year his team was successful.