Official 2022 NBA Draft Day Thread

[T Park]

Spurs have reported signed Jordan Hall, Seton Hall

[Dancelot]

Hes just a dude. With Sochan and others hes expendable. I dont think Sochan is going to be the project everyone thinks he will be.
True, I just felt like he was easy to root for. One of those players that pop should’ve given more minutes to and could have been a great piece to the team.

[FlAVaK]

Spurs have reported signed Jordan Hall, Seton Hall


https://youtu.be/6MxjvIt7W0w

[FlAVaK]

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There are some similarities...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Some draft observations :

- Don't like the Banchero fit in Orlando. Apparently they didn't even have him for a workout, has this ever happened for a 1st overall pick? Did they draft him in order to force Houston to cough up assets? Very weird.
- That said, I don't like the Jabari Smith fit in Houston too much either. Dude didn't look happy at all, it's clear he expected different.
- Detroit obviously did well. Ivey is a good fit next to Cunningham, although I keep thinking Ivey could unlock his best level to develop into with the ball in his hands, rather than offball. I'm not a big fan of Duren but they paid 50c on the dollar for him, so credit where it's due.
- Sacramento, I feel they could have done better trading the 4th pick if they're in a win now mode. Keegan next to Sabonis is iffy. If I'm the Spurs I'm calling them for Harrison Barnes, see if he'd be cheap.
- I kept thinking Portland have picked Lil Shine (it's going to stick isn't it? poor sob) for another team, possibly OKC, but it seems they're keeping him. Strange, conflicting vibes from their moves.
- NY look desperate to shed salary and collect assets for a move. If it's for a FA and not a trade then the Spurs could get them to cough up a pick or two for renting cap space ( if Spurs strike out on their desired moves, that is ).
- It'll be so funny watching Mark Williams labor up and down the floor , should they hire D'Antoni. They're very much a run and gun team already, I thought he wasn't a great fit there.
- Did Memphis think Denver were going to draft LaRavia? Or the Spurs? They jumped ahead of them for no apparent reason, losing a decent asset.
- Lots of weird Grizzlies moves overall, at one point I lost any idea which picks they owned Kendrick Perkins style.
- It'll be interesting which 2nd rounders will get roster spots and guaranteed contracts.

[PhantomDashCam]

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/34137789/2022-nba-draft-winners-losers-biggest-trades-bold-predictions


2. Which team impressed you most in this year's draft?

Borzello: It feels like this could be the answer nearly every year, but it's hard not to like what the Spurs (https://www.espn.com.au/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) did with their three first-rounders.

Jeremy Sochan's stock has skyrocketed in the past year, and he ended up going at No. 9. The Poland native played his entire freshman year at 18 years old and showed flashes of how high his ceiling can be. He can guard multiple positions, is comfortable taking shots from the perimeter -- despite his low shooting percentage -- and showed an ability to buy into a team culture.

The Spurs then landed two more young guards with potential in Malaki Branham and Blake Wesley. Branham earned lottery buzz early on in the draft process after a terrific second half at Ohio State, and his offensive ability should translate immediately. Wesley was inconsistent as a freshman at Notre Dame, but he's explosive and will have time to fine-tune his game.

[TDMVPDPOY]

JORDAN HALL needs to learn from KA mistakes when he was still here, needs to be more proactive on offense and not afraid to shoot the open shot....or else his going to end up like ka, dw ....

[Dejounte]

Team could only keep two two way contracts, correct?

This means Woodard and Steward aren’t coming back?

[Mr. Body]

Some draft observations :

- Don't like the Banchero fit in Orlando. Apparently they didn't even have him for a workout, has this ever happened for a 1st overall pick? Did they draft him in order to force Houston to cough up assets? Very weird.
- That said, I don't like the Jabari Smith fit in Houston too much either. Dude didn't look happy at all, it's clear he expected different.
- Detroit obviously did well. Ivey is a good fit next to Cunningham, although I keep thinking Ivey could unlock his best level to develop into with the ball in his hands, rather than offball. I'm not a big fan of Duren but they paid 50c on the dollar for him, so credit where it's due.
- Sacramento, I feel they could have done better trading the 4th pick if they're in a win now mode. Keegan next to Sabonis is iffy. If I'm the Spurs I'm calling them for Harrison Barnes, see if he'd be cheap.
- I kept thinking Portland have picked Lil Shine (it's going to stick isn't it? poor sob) for another team, possibly OKC, but it seems they're keeping him. Strange, conflicting vibes from their moves.
- NY look desperate to shed salary and collect assets for a move. If it's for a FA and not a trade then the Spurs could get them to cough up a pick or two for renting cap space ( if Spurs strike out on their desired moves, that is ).
- It'll be so funny watching Mark Williams labor up and down the floor , should they hire D'Antoni. They're very much a run and gun team already, I thought he wasn't a great fit there.
- Did Memphis think Denver were going to draft LaRavia? Or the Spurs? They jumped ahead of them for no apparent reason, losing a decent asset.
- Lots of weird Grizzlies moves overall, at one point I lost any idea which picks they owned Kendrick Perkins style.
- It'll be interesting which 2nd rounders will get roster spots and guaranteed contracts.

Good stuff.

- I'm unsure about the Rockets. Their offense is chuck-first from KPJ and Green. Jabari Smith projects as an expensive if high-end role player, so that works, and Sengun is a poor defender so he helps. Eason adds to the chaos of trying to play team basketball but I like the TyTy Washington pick a good deal. That was smart.
- Amazing that CHA sold Duren for so cheap.
- And... we never hear from Keegan Murray again. He'll now be the Shareef Abdur-Raheem of his generation.
- No effing idea what Portland is doing. Don't they need to win games now? Lil Shine won't be ready yet... or ever. Then got Procida who is... okay?
- Word is that the NYK are clearing salary to go for Jalen Brunson, who also has relatives in the FO. It weakens Dallas, so, whatever. I don't know if the Spurs will deal with that franchise, though.
- CHA really sucked this draft. With LaMello, they are a transition team. I don't object to M. Williams over Duren, but they didn't get anything for the Memphis big.
- Denver sucked, too. Christian Braun should have been Blake Wesley. They drafted Peyton Watson, who sucked last year, absolutely sucked, and then Kamagate, who I doubt will be very good.
- Memphis... I also don't get rushing to get LaRavia. Roddy? I don't see it. Vince Williams might be good, Kennedy Chandler might be a steal for them.
- I don't understand trading three (three!) picks for Ousmane Dieng. I'm not low on him and those FRP are restricted, but he's not worth it. I like Holmgren, Jalen Williams adds grit, Jaylin Williams may have been undervalued, but they seem like a soft, finesse team that still won't compete much.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

The Spurs got Dennis Rodman, Seth Curry and possibly a Bradley Beal...

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Brian Wright had a good night.

[Dverde]

These pick show to me that Lonnie Walker is gone. Poodle isn’t being traded.

[heyheymymy]

I thought CHA was poised to take Duren and Eason, a deadly combo, but wound up with only Mark Williams instead? Lol I said last night I thought mj lost a golf game bet or something lol

[heyheymymy]

Denver, holy shit

Basically got a white boy Bryn Forbes

[mo7888]

Team could only keep two two way contracts, correct?

This means Woodard and Steward aren’t coming back?

I believe it does..

[heyheymymy]

DET woke up overnight wow

Cade/Ivey/Duren is impressive regardless of fit

[heyheymymy]

Rumors front office wants to force Primo to push down to PG

Something like this going into Free Agency


Murray/Jones/Primo
Vassell/Branham20/Wesley25
McDermott/Richardson/Langford
Johnson/Sochan9/KBD
Poeltl/Zollins/Lansdale

[mo7888]

Good stuff.

- I'm unsure about the Rockets. Their offense is chuck-first from KPJ and Green. Jabari Smith projects as an expensive if high-end role player, so that works, and Sengun is a poor defender so he helps. Eason adds to the chaos of trying to play team basketball but I like the TyTy Washington pick a good deal. That was smart.
- Amazing that CHA sold Duren for so cheap.
- And... we never hear from Keegan Murray again. He'll now be the Shareef Abdur-Raheem of his generation.
- No effing idea what Portland is doing. Don't they need to win games now? Lil Shine won't be ready yet... or ever. Then got Procida who is... okay?
- Word is that the NYK are clearing salary to go for Jalen Brunson, who also has relatives in the FO. It weakens Dallas, so, whatever. I don't know if the Spurs will deal with that franchise, though.
- CHA really sucked this draft. With LaMello, they are a transition team. I don't object to M. Williams over Duren, but they didn't get anything for the Memphis big.
- Denver sucked, too. Christian Braun should have been Blake Wesley. They drafted Peyton Watson, who sucked last year, absolutely sucked, and then Kamagate, who I doubt will be very good.
- Memphis... I also don't get rushing to get LaRavia. Roddy? I don't see it. Vince Williams might be good, Kennedy Chandler might be a steal for them.
- I don't understand trading three (three!) picks for Ousmane Dieng. I'm not low on him and those FRP are restricted, but he's not worth it. I like Holmgren, Jalen Williams adds grit, Jaylin Williams may have been undervalued, but they seem like a soft, finesse team that still won't compete much.

I thought Porcida ended up in Detroit (which makes alot more sense than Portland) ... is that not the case?

[Dejounte]

Rumors front office wants to force Primo to push down to PG

Something like this going into Free Agency


Murray/Jones/Primo
Vassell/Branham20/Wesley25
McDermott/Richardson/Langford
Johnson/Sochan9/KBD
Poeltl/Zollins/Lansdale

doubt those rumors are true. Primo doesnt have the foot speed yet to keep up with point guards. His specialty is being able to guard wings.

[JuneJive]

"LSU’s Darius Days has agreed to a deal with the San Antonio Spurs"

[rankingtear]

Camp deals?

[heyheymymy]

I don't see it either re: Primo as a PG

Primo was a turnover machine last season, would just chuck the ball upcourt in offensive transition and throw interceptions constantly.

I kinda believe the rumors though because Spurs need another ball handler.

That's why I kinda wanted that Kennedy Chandler 38 pick because some depth at PG is another looming issue, what if anything happens to Murray/Jones and last year we were trying Walker in stretches, it's pretty bad lol.

I could see Primo settling down and carving out a little role situationally at least. But I agree, Primo looks out of his comfort zone as a ball handler last year for sure, hope he can develop because it ruined his confidence last year evidently.

[BatManu20]

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[mo7888]

Team could only keep two two way contracts, correct?

This means Woodard and Steward aren’t coming back?

On one site I was looking at it looked like Barlow got a 2way and the other kid just got a camp/SL deal...so we still have one 2way open...we could keep Woodard or maybe go for someone like Butler who's apparently still on the market..

[JPB]

Hes just a dude. With Sochan and others hes expendable. I dont think Sochan is going to be the project everyone thinks he will be.

I think he'll be OK and fills a need at PF, but yeah not a game changer and spurs will need to make a splash in this offseason if they really want to seriously improve the team. He's more of a good role, B/C player than anything.

[Ocotillo]

- Word is that the NYK are clearing salary to go for Jalen Brunson, who also has relatives in the FO. It weakens Dallas, so, whatever. I don't know if the Spurs will deal with that franchise, though.


At one time the NYK front office was bitter about the Spurs alleging they tampered with Porzingus but those guys are no longer around other than Dolan and I don't think Thibs would have any issue dealing with SA if he can help himself.

[offset formation]

Rumors front office wants to force Primo to push down to PG

Something like this going into Free Agency


Murray/Jones/Primo
Vassell/Branham20/Wesley25
McDermott/Richardson/Langford
Johnson/Sochan9/KBD
Poeltl/Zollins/Lansdale

This is the first realistic roster lineup that I've seen, minus having Johnson still playing the 4. This team cannot succeed with Johnson playing primarily inside the arc nor having to defend guys often 3 or 4 inches taller than himself, which means he's playing out of position.

On that point, look at the idiocy it creates. Even if they somehow figure out a way to move McDermott, you've got Primo still being the 3rd team!?!? Yet he's your future PG?!?

Primo is a wing too, and always will be. So that means you've got a glut there in reality.

I appreciate you putting Vassell at the two though because his game flourishes when he's not relegated to purely offball duties. We needed a 4 and 5 at 25 before we needed a 2 or 3.

There are players that will almost never see the court like Langford yet he's precisely the kind of young player that needs court time.

It's just highly questionable to take yet another guard that won't see the court on SA for maybe 2 years, imo. And Primo just doesn't make any sense how they have him slotted.

[The Truth #6]

I’m curious who we are letting go. Gonna have to be some moves.

[heyheymymy]

The best part about Sochan is him pushing Keldon Johnson down to SF but I don't think Sochan will immediately get the start at PF day one so until he's ready I wonder if you'll see KJ still at the 4 until Sochan can take the reins unfortunately.

Barring of course any free agency moves. JRich seems expendable now and if he could bring back a big, preferably a starting PF though not sure who, that would ideal

Murray/Jones/Primo
Vassell/Branham20/Wesley25
Johnson/McDermott/Langford
Free Agent?/Sochan9/KBD
Poeltl/Zollins/Lansdale

[heyheymymy]

Love the rumors of clearing flexibility for a bid on Ayton. Some talk of sign and trade for Poeltl though I haven't ran it through trade machines tbh.

Would still try to offload JRich for future draft capital without much salary returns though not sure if that's possible. Maybe have room to rent space and still bring Ayton on. Could see free agency moves on the horizon possibly for SA.

Murray/Jones/Primo
Vassell/Branham20/Wesley25
Johnson/McDermott/Langford
Sochan9/KBD
Ayton/Zollins/Lansdale

[heyheymymy]

Primo would compete with Jones for second string PG but he would also likely be no worse than 2nd string SG behind Vassell at least for the first half of the season as it's hard to imagine a meteoric enough rise from Branham/Wesley to jump Primo at SG.

So Primo has a ton of room to earn a role but some healthy competition will only make the Spurs better and it's Primos mins to lose

[The Truth #6]

With so many guards the position titles almost seem meaningless. Sochan will probably play “center” for all we know, and will probably have to to get time for the stable of guards. Trading Yak and JRich makes sense, but it can’t be for more 6’4” guys. Then again, JRich really helps the team. Basically we are rotating through guards it seems like until we figure out who is worth a second contract, I guess.

[T Park]

I think he'll be OK and fills a need at PF, but yeah not a game changer and spurs will need to make a splash in this offseason if they really want to seriously improve the team. He's more of a good role, B/C player than anything.

Respectfully disagree.

[John B]

Jabari Smith will be an expensive 3pt chucker in an already uncoordinated Rockets line-up. And you put Eason in the middle of it? Ka-pow :lol

[DPG21920]

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Not sure if already posted Chinook

[The Truth #6]

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Not sure if already posted Chinook

That could be a high pick in the early 30s if they continue their collapse.

[Kurik]

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Not sure if already posted Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

Interesting, at the very least should be a bit lower than Memphis.

[DPG21920]

Ya definitely better than MEM pick so makes me feel a *little* better

[Mr. Body]

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Not sure if already posted Chinook

Very significant. That should be a pretty good pick -- wasn't this pick they traded the LAL's, too? So basically they punted an unneeded pick this year to next year(plus money). That's excellent.

[cjw]

Love the rumors of clearing flexibility for a bid on Ayton. Some talk of sign and trade for Poeltl though I haven't ran it through trade machines tbh.

Would still try to offload JRich for future draft capital without much salary returns though not sure if that's possible. Maybe have room to rent space and still bring Ayton on. Could see free agency moves on the horizon possibly for SA.

Murray/Jones/Primo
Vassell/Branham20/Wesley25
Johnson/McDermott/Langford
Sochan9/KBD
Ayton/Zollins/Lansdale

A Poeltl / Ayton sign and trade makes a lot of sense, and the Spurs can do it with cap room AND give Phoenix a trade exception.

Not sure how consideration would work, as SA can sign Ayton outright if renouncing Walker and doing other things. But a replacement in Poeltl who may be a better fit on a cheap contract for a cheap owner PLUS a trade exception may be interesting.

[BatManu20]

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[BackHome]

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Not sure if already posted Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

Nice find DP - definitely makes the trade more understandable and I agree it should net us a higher pick then 38. Go Flakers. Lol

[Ocotillo]

Too lazy to look it up but won't Lebron and Russ be off the books in LA for the 23/24 season? If so, the Lakers should be able to put together something competitive via free agency by then no?

[Ariel]

Very significant. That should be a pretty good pick -- wasn't this pick they traded the LAL's, too? So basically they punted an unneeded pick this year to next year(plus money). That's excellent.
Especially if they intend to invest in Barlowe, which they surely wouldn't have been able to do with yet another rookie. If that's the case, it removes my only objection from the draft last night (a very minor one).

[John B]

Big Perk chuckling in the background with the “chip on my shoulder” coming to Houston speech at 1:18 :lol. I mean I feel for the guy expecting to get drafted #1 and slipping to #3 instead. But with Rockets chucking 3’s, I don’t know


https://youtu.be/J-rXmqTo_EE

[objective]

Lakers 2nd rounder is probably better than the grizzlies 2nd. But unless I'm mistaken the Spurs will be the only team to make a draft day or draft eve trade where they received money. Too bad they aren't doing the Utah summer league, at least this trade could have financed it

[PhantomDashCam]

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[RC_Drunkford]

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Not sure if already posted Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

great move by Wright. I think he will try to convert that one into a low first as well

[Chinook]

Lakers 2nd rounder is probably better than the grizzlies 2nd. But unless I'm mistaken the Spurs will be the only team to make a draft day or draft eve trade where they received money. Too bad they aren't doing the Utah summer league, at least this trade could have financed it

The Lakers bought the 35th pick from Orlando.

[KingKev]

Big Perk chuckling in the background with the “chip on my shoulder” coming to Houston speech at 1:18 :lol. I mean I feel for the guy expecting to get drafted #1 and slipping to #3 instead. But with Rockets chucking 3’s, I don’t know


https://youtu.be/J-rXmqTo_EE

Perk is a Rockets fan and he likes Jabari’s demeanour. So do I.

[Joseph Kony]

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Good stuff :tu

[KingKev]

great move by Wright. I think he will try to convert that one into a low first as well

Lakers will be cleaning house next offseaskn and LBJ could be done. Might be in the 30s again.

[rascal]

Jabari Smith will be an expensive 3pt chucker in an already uncoordinated Rockets line-up. And you put Eason in the middle of it? Ka-pow :lol

Stop it

The Rockets have improved

[John B]

Good stuff :tu

They come in 3’s :bobo

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIGpzKS6V3A

[rankingtear]

Lakers 2nd rounder is probably better than the grizzlies 2nd. But unless I'm mistaken the Spurs will be the only team to make a draft day or draft eve trade where they received money. Too bad they aren't doing the Utah summer league, at least this trade could have financed it

ATL traded 44 for 50+ and 2 mil.

[spurraider21]

Worst offensively in the top 10.

Spurs at 9 were in a tough draft spot in this draft and had to settle for a one way player - defensive player.
remember how angry you were when we won in 2014?

[T Park]

Sochan’s offensive game the more you watch it mirrors a Boris Diaw. A more athletic Boris Diaw with top 5 potential defense, how is that a bad thing again?

[Robz4000]

Sochan’s offensive game the more you watch it mirrors a Boris Diaw. A more athletic Boris Diaw with top 5 potential defense, how is that a bad thing again?

He doesn't catch crazy lobs or shoot half court shots.

[T Park]

He doesn't catch crazy lobs or shoot half court shots.

Ha. But still. A more athletic prime Diaw with good defense? I mean come on.

[Robz4000]

Ha. But still. A more athletic prime Diaw with good defense? I mean come on.

The one's who have a problem with Sochan are the ones who want Poeltl jettisoned at all costs, also for those same reasons tbh.

[ace3g]

Sochan’s offensive game the more you watch it mirrors a Boris Diaw. A more athletic Boris Diaw with top 5 potential defense, how is that a bad thing again?

I don't think some pay attention to his "old man" post up game ability and knows how to finish at the basket.

Oh and I think Chip can work with this:

https://www.si.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_aut o:good%2Cw_1200/MTg5ODQ5NTQ3Mzc0MDc3MTU0/usatsi_17868849.jpg

[TD 21]

I see it as more solid than spectacular, but probably about as good as could be expected . . .

Sochan: I'm fine given the lack of an obvious option + what happened later, but the fact that he's a true four probably has people overvaluing this pick. The reality is, if he can't become a credible 3-point threat, then he's most likely destined to be a third big and either way, he'll need to be paired with a floor spacing rim protector, which isn't easy to find.

Branham: Saved this draft by allowing them to probably get as good or better shot creation available at 9 at 20. Even though he's another low volume 3 point shooter who lacks explosiveness, he's efficient and might have the highest offensive upside on the roster (which says more about it's current state granted, but still).

Wesley: Probably a high probability to bust, but the intriguing physical tools also give a higher ceiling than a typical pick in this range and again, there wasn't another obvious option.

[Chinook]

Boris was way more athletic than Sochan. What is this shit?

[pad300]

Sochan’s offensive game the more you watch it mirrors a Boris Diaw. A more athletic Boris Diaw with top 5 potential defense, how is that a bad thing again?

Don't get me wrong, I like the pick, but WTF are you smoking. You think Sochan can max a vertical jump tester in flip-flops? Boris was never a driven baller, but let's not BS about unathletic. I mean, Boris was putting up some fairly stiff resistance against 2014 Lebron, while carrying what I figure was a good 30+ excess pounds...

[itzsoweezee]

A PF that can’t shoot is almost unplayable in the NBA these days. Seems like another role player on a team full of role players. If they’re not all the way in on tanking next season, this draft is probably a bust.

[T Park]

The one's who have a problem with Sochan are the ones who want Poeltl jettisoned at all costs, also for those same reasons tbh.

I’m ok with upgrading Poeltl to Ayton. Just to get rid of him though? Nah

[T Park]

I don't think some pay attention to his "old man" post up game ability and knows how to finish at the basket.

Oh and I think Chip can work with this:

https://www.si.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_aut o:good%2Cw_1200/MTg5ODQ5NTQ3Mzc0MDc3MTU0/usatsi_17868849.jpg


Yeah he’s 19, you can fix that easily. It’s not far off either.

[T Park]

Don't get me wrong, I like the pick, but WTF are you smoking. You think Sochan can max a vertical jump tester in flip-flops? Boris was never a driven baller, but let's not BS about unathletic. I mean, Boris was putting up some fairly stiff resistance against 2014 Lebron, while carrying what I figure was a good 30+ excess pounds...


In game athleticism is always my barometer vs some test he did to prove something.

[T Park]

A PF that can’t shoot is almost unplayable in the NBA these days. Seems like another role player on a team full of role players. If they’re not all the way in on tanking next season, this draft is probably a bust.

Lol kids 19. BUST!!!! Clown ass takes on this forum today.

[Robz4000]

I’m ok with upgrading Poeltl to Ayton. Just to get rid of him though? Nah

Same

[John B]

^ stop complaining Spurs players, they’re all their individual selves. I didn’t know Sochan played some PG position, which is great. Sochan is not just a point forward. He actually played point guard. And that’s what you can see his offensive game will improve more, becoming a facilitator on top and spacing our slashers for cuts or take his defender to the whole. I really want that part of him and I hope the coaching staff maximize that. He might be able to command double, triple team dribble penetrate, and create open shots. Good stuff :toast

[emanueldavidginobili]

A PF that can’t shoot is almost unplayable in the NBA these days. Seems like another role player on a team full of role players. If they’re not all the way in on tanking next season, this draft is probably a bust.
So who should have they had drafted? lmao. He has one weakness right now and thats shooting which is fixable. he's damn good at everything else and can guard 4 positions maybe even 5. He's already the one of the best defender on this team if not the best out the box, and has a great feel for the game.

[TD 21]

Yeah he’s 19, you can fix that easily. It’s not far off either.

Not true. It's going to be an uphill battle for him to become a credible enough threat for the defense to respect him.

This idea that because of Scumbag, to a lesser extent Parker and probably Johnson, that Engelland is some miracle worker, is nonsense. Most guys they've drafted topped out around expected, if not worse in terms of range (specifically 3-point) shooting.

[Leetonidas]

A PF that can’t shoot is almost unplayable in the NBA these days. Seems like another role player on a team full of role players. If they’re not all the way in on tanking next season, this draft is probably a bust.

The Dubs just won the chip starting a PF who can't shoot for shit :lol

[Ariel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIGpzKS6V3A
- Reporter: Is it fair to say that, when you have 3 picks in the first round, with a franchise that is still kind of rebuilding, that you want to take some swings, gambling more on the ceiling than the floor?
- BW: Sure, absolutely, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GAMBLE ON THE CHARACTER, AND WE DON'T WANT TO GAMBLE ON THE THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFY AS IMPORTANT TO OUR ORGANIZATION AND HOW WE GROW, and so with these 3 guys we don't think we did that at all, we think we hit that part, but also with room to grow.

Translation: Sharpe was never an option. Sorry rascal...

[TD 21]

The Dubs just won the chip starting a PF who can't shoot for shit :lol

Unique situation on many levels and Green can credibly play small ball five.

[tonight...you]

Boris was way more athletic than Sochan. What is this shit?
I just assumed he was referring to Fat Diaw and not uber-athletic rook Diaw.

[Mr. Body]

Anyone want to talk about how things went a little nuts with mocks at the end?

1. Some big mocks suddenly veered from Duren-heavy to the Spurs picking Dieng. Whether this came from the AppleWatch fiasco or a crazed sense of groupthink, a lot of people thought the pick was Dieng. Rumors of a promise.

2. Givony (ESPN) and Tankathon both suddenly claiming the Spurs would take Shaeden Sharpe.

The first caused a lot of consternation on the board. Turned out, of course, OKC crazily gave three picks to ensure they got him instead. I can understand the Spurs taking Dieng, but how professionals even thought they'd take Sharpe is beyond me.

[spurraider21]

Boris was way more athletic than Sochan. What is this shit?
think he's talking about spurs boris

[spurraider21]

i think offensively you're kinda shooting for ak47 and hoping for draymond

[Ariel]

i think offensively you're kinda shooting for ak47 and hoping for draymond
He's more Draymond than AK47, in that his biggest strength comes from his intelligence, not his length. He's still long, longer than Draymond (quite a bit).

[Chinook]

think he's talking about spurs boris

While I'd say Sochan is more agile than Diaw, I'm not sure he was more athletic. I'm pretty sure Boris could still outjump him, and his coordination for his size was still excellent.

[Degoat]

Bills Simmons and Ryan Russillo said Sochan reminds them of Shawn Marion, not a bad comp imo.

[spurraider21]

While I'd say Sochan is more agile than Diaw, I'm not sure he was more athletic. I'm pretty sure Boris could still outjump him, and his coordination for his size was still excellent.
could bobcats/hornets diaw even jump tbh?

[spurraider21]

Bills Simmons and Ryan Russillo said Sochan reminds them of Shawn Marion, not a bad comp imo.
was a common comp for kawhi as well

[Ariel]

Bills Simmons and Ryan Russillo said Sochan reminds them of Shawn Marion, not a bad comp imo.
Nah... he's much smarter and his impact is much less predicated on athleticism. Marion's impact on the stat sheet was much greater than on actual games, and the opposite is true for Sochan.

[mystargtr34]

He's more Draymond than AK47, in that his biggest strength comes from his intelligence, not his length. He's still long, longer than Draymond (quite a bit).

I think Draymond is the best comparison as far as active players go. But Draymond is super long, he's only 6'6 without shoes but measured with a ridiculous 8'11 standing reach and 7'2-7'3 wingspan. He's got no neck and extremely long arms which allows him to effectively play as big as most 6'9 players.

[Ariel]

I think Draymond is the best comparison as far as active players go. But Draymond is super long, he's only 6'6 without shoes but measured with a ridiculous 8'11 standing reach and 7'2-7'3 wingspan. He's got no neck and extremely long arms which allows him to effectively play as big as most 6'9 players.
Draymond is 6'5.75" without shoes, his standing reach is 8'9", and his wingspan is 7'1.25". There are no official measurements for Sochan, but he's supposedly 6'9" with a 7' wingspan.
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/?SeasonYear=2012-13

[rascal]

- Reporter: Is it fair to say that, when you have 3 picks in the first round, with a franchise that is still kind of rebuilding, that you want to take some swings, gambling more on the ceiling than the floor?
- BW: Sure, absolutely, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO GAMBLE ON THE CHARACTER, AND WE DON'T WANT TO GAMBLE ON THE THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFY AS IMPORTANT TO OUR ORGANIZATION AND HOW WE GROW, and so with these 3 guys we don't think we did that at all, we think we hit that part, but also with room to grow.

Translation: Sharpe was never an option. Sorry rascal...

Disagree He said he wants to draft best player available and sharpe is better than Sochan. If any of the top seven players were on the board at 9 they draft that player instead of Sochan.

Lillard was at Sharpe's workout with Portland and gave the oK for Portland to draft him. Portland was ready to trade that pick but Dame was impressed by Sharpe.

[Ariel]

Lillard was at Sharpe's workout with Portland and gave the oK for Portland to draft him. Portland was ready to trade that pick but Dame was impressed by Sharpe.
Going by his interviews, I'd be surprised if Sharpe knew who Lillard was :lol

[mystargtr34]

Draymond is 6'5.75" without shoes, his standing reach is 8'9", and his wingspan is 7'1.25". There are no official measurements for Sochan, but he's supposedly 6'9" with a 7' wingspan.
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/?SeasonYear=2012-13

Oh my mistake. I was sure Draymonds reach was 8'11. An 8'9 standing reach is more big SF than it is PF.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Ariel]

Oh my mistake. I was sure Draymonds reach was 8'11. An 8'9 standing reach is more big SF than it is PF.

Thanks for clarifying.
You're right in that he plays bigger than his height anyways. But Sochan should be bigger than him still.

[itzsoweezee]

The Dubs just won the chip starting a PF who can't shoot for shit :lol

Is this a joke? Who on the spurs is playing the Steph Curry role? Very interested

[itzsoweezee]

So who should have they had drafted? lmao. He has one weakness right now and thats shooting which is fixable. he's damn good at everything else and can guard 4 positions maybe even 5. He's already the one of the best defender on this team if not the best out the box, and has a great feel for the game.

Shooting is fixable? Are you serious? You people are dreaming

[lefty20]

Is this a joke? Who on the spurs is playing the Steph Curry role? Very interested
Bryn Forbes is a FA, tbh.

[itzsoweezee]

Lol kids 19. BUST!!!! Clown ass takes on this forum today.

I don’t say the kid is a bust, I said the draft was a bust, depending on what they’re planning for next year. The spurs did nothing to fix their most urgent need: a player with superstar potential. If the goal is to tank next year, then ok, it’s fine to continue to collect assets like good role players on rookie contracts, hope to win the Wembayana lottery and start building from there. If the plan is to run it back with three more rookies on a very mediocre team, it will just be a wasted season and a wasted draft with the new role players that might be able to contribute to a 35 win team in a couple of years.

[Mr. Body]

Shooting is fixable? Are you serious? You people are dreaming

You're right. If you can't shoot as a baby, you will never know how to shoot.

[Ariel]

Sochan is a 60% FT shooter and 30% FT shooter. If he gets to 70% and 35%, he's an all star. Book it.

[tonight...you]

Shooting is fixable? Are you serious? You people are dreaming
Ha ha ha! What?
Maybe Chip Engelland should be fired post haste.

[rascal]

Sochan is a 60% FT shooter and 30% FT shooter. If he gets to 70% and 35%, he's an all star. Book it.

Don't get ahead of yourself. I know everyone is excited and happy with the draft but let's not go overboard with these draft selections.

Those shooting % does not make him an all star. Depends on his overall scoring production and he has a long ways to go to even be thinking of an all star game at this time.

[Leetonidas]

Is this a joke? Who on the spurs is playing the Steph Curry role? Very interested

No, it isn't. you're just mad that you're wrong :lol

[rascal]

You're right. If you can't shoot as a baby, you will never know how to shoot.

I do expect Sochan to improve some on his shooting % because they are pretty bad now but still don't see him becoming a high volume scorer. He can work out if the roster has a couple of 20+ go to scorers.

Spurs still need a go to high volume scorer that all the top playoff teams have.

Those players were in the top 7 picks of this draft but unfortunately the Spurs fell just outside of the top 7 and it didn't look like any team was interested in trading away one of those top 7 picks.

[Leetonidas]

the finals MVP from the year before is also a PF who can't shoot :lol

I got the point of the post, but the whole "a PF who can't shoot is unplayable" is clearly bullshit

[T Park]

Shooting is fixable? Are you serious? You people are dreaming

Kawhi Leonard, Tony Parker, and Bruce Bowen literally fucking exist.

[Degoat]

There was a segment yesterday morning on ESPNs first take where they had Jay Bilas on, he talked about Branham being the sleeper in the draft and said we’re going to see him go 20th in the draft and wonder why he didn’t go in the top 10…. He called it lol

[heyheymymy]

could bobcats/hornets diaw even jump tbh?

not until he set down his espresso tbh

[Ice009]

Yeah he’s 19, you can fix that easily. It’s not far off either.

I'm not answering to you specifically as I definitely don't disagree with your assessment, but I just want to say that a lot of people around here think it's easy to fix someone's shot and make them a great shooter if you have a great shooting coach like Chip Engelland. but it really isn't. My main skill was shooting and I always had a feel for shooting the ball even when my form was unorthodox (sort of like Reggie Miller, who incidentally, I was a big fan of when I was a kid) when I was younger. I eventually changed my shooting form to a more conventional one, but I always had a feel for it no matter what form I used.

I feel like Kawhi already had a bit of feel for shooting the ball, so Chip was able to help him (the lockout may have also helped as Kawhi practiced what he was taught in the short time he was able to work with Chip, so he didn't get overloaded everyday). Grant Hill is also someone who wasn't a great shooter and with Chip's help became a much better shooter towards the end of his career. Anyway, my point is, if you don't have some kind of feel for shooting the ball, I don't think any amount of tweaking someone's shot or form is going to make them a better shooter. I haven't watched anything of Sochan, so I don't know how much of a feel for shooting he has, but if he does have a feel for it, I am hoping Chip can help him become a better/great shooter.

Another point I want to make is, you do not have to have a technically correct or picture perfect form on your shot to be a great shooter. Reggie Miller didn't, Michael Redd didn't. I don't think it's as important as some people think it is. You can be a great shooter and not have a perfect form/technique (it does help, but doesn't always have to be the case). As long as you can get your shot off against defenders, and with accuracy, that is the main thing that matters.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not answering to you specifically as I definitely don't disagree with your assessment, but I just want to say that a lot of people around here think it's easy to fix someone's shot and make them a great shooter if you have a great shooting coach like Chip Engelland. but it really isn't. My main skill was shooting and I always had a feel for shooting the ball even when my form was unorthodox (sort of like Reggie Miller, who incidentally, I was a big fan of when I was a kid) when I was younger. I eventually changed my shooting form to a more conventional one, but I always had a feel for it no matter what form I used.

I feel like Kawhi already had a bit of feel for shooting the ball, so Chip was able to help him (the lockout may have also helped as Kawhi practiced what he was taught in the short time he was able to work with Chip, so he didn't get overloaded everyday). Grant Hill is also someone who wasn't a great shooter and with Chip's help became a much better shooter towards the end of his career. Anyway, my point is, if you don't have some kind of feel for shooting the ball, I don't think any amount of tweaking someone's shot or form is going to make them a better shooter. I haven't watched anything of Sochan, so I don't know how much of a feel for shooting he has, but if he does have a feel for it, I am hoping Chip can help him become a better/great shooter.

Another point I want to make is, you do not have to have a technically correct or picture perfect form on your shot to be a great shooter. Reggie Miller didn't, Michael Redd didn't. I don't think it's as important as some people think it is. You can be a great shooter and not have a perfect form/technique (it does help, but doesn't always have to be the case). As long as you can get your shot off against defenders, and with accuracy, that is the main thing that matters.

I've said this over and over, Sochan is a better shooter than Kawhi was coming out of college and Sochan is a year younger. Literally a better 3pt percentage, a better 2pt percentage. His ft% is a bit strange, possibly an outlier. He did not shoot many fts a game.

Sochan is not a great shooter. But he doesn't have brick hands and appears to have a fairly nice touch. Those are all good things.

[tonight...you]

I've said this over and over, Sochan is a better shooter than Kawhi was coming out of college and Sochan is a year younger. Literally a better 3pt percentage, a better 2pt percentage. His ft% is a bit strange, possibly an outlier. He did not shoot many fts a game.

Sochan is not a great shooter. But he doesn't have brick hands and appears to have a fairly nice touch. Those are all good things.
He's easily fixable and he looks like a guy that wants to fix things.

[itzsoweezee]

You're right. If you can't shoot as a baby, you will never know how to shoot.

He was a 50 something percent free throw shooter in college, and he’s a big. He’s never going to be a good shooter. And he sure as hell will never be a great three point shooter, no matter how much you wish that wasn’t true.

[itzsoweezee]

the finals MVP from the year before is also a PF who can't shoot :lol

I got the point of the post, but the whole "a PF who can't shoot is unplayable" is clearly bullshit

Now sochan is a future Giannis. You people are out of your mind.

[BackHome]

And So It Begins............................................ ....................

[RC_Drunkford]

Why do people assume Sochan can‘t shoot when he hit 30% from 3 in college? I think his percentage on catch and shoot jumpers was even higher. He needs a year or two, but it’s definitely reasonable to think he‘ll get there. He‘s not Jakob Poeltl

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Shooting is fixable? Are you serious? You people are dreaming
Tari Eason
2020/21: 24.1 3P% on 1.3 3PA | 57.4 FT% on 2.0 FTA
2021/22: 35.9 3P% on 2.4 3PA | 80.3 FT% on 5.7 FTA

[duncan2150]

He was a 50 something percent free throw shooter in college, and he’s a big. He’s never going to be a good shooter. And he sure as hell will never be a great three point shooter, no matter how much you wish that wasn’t true.

it's not like what you say is always true... i also not agree with you, i think Sochan shooting form is not bad and will be fixable but i understand the concerns.

[Ice009]

I've said this over and over, Sochan is a better shooter than Kawhi was coming out of college and Sochan is a year younger. Literally a better 3pt percentage, a better 2pt percentage. His ft% is a bit strange, possibly an outlier. He did not shoot many fts a game.

Sochan is not a great shooter. But he doesn't have brick hands and appears to have a fairly nice touch. Those are all good things.

That's great to hear. I've never watched him, so hopefully he can become a better shooter. If he puts the work in and has a nice shooting touch, maybe he can become a better shooter.

[JPB]

It's not just about fixing technical issues, it's also about simply aging and maturing. You get more poised and confident growing up as a player, learning how to stay calm and focused on what you have to do, just finding your groove, while you're more impulsive and messy as a young horse.

[Atl Spur]

the finals MVP from the year before is also a PF who can't shoot :lol

I got the point of the post, but the whole "a PF who can't shoot is unplayable" is clearly bullshit

Don’t hurt”‘em !! Facts be killing these crazy takes!!!!

[Atl Spur]

Some of you just don’t get it……..he has a great foundation to work from. His shooting form/stroke just need tweaking I would suspect.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIGpzKS6V3A

[BuffaloBill]

Tari Eason
2020/21: 24.1 3P% on 1.3 3PA | 57.4 FT% on 2.0 FTA
2021/22: 35.9 3P% on 2.4 3PA | 80.3 FT% on 5.7 FTA



A lot people don't see that Tari Eason was way worse at Sochan's age. And also Jaden Ivey was pretty comparable to Wesley in his freshman year. Drafting these kids one year younger gives teams one more precious year to develop their skills. That's why age plays such a big part in the draft. If Tari did what he did this year as a freshman, he would have been a lottery pick like everyone here who wanted him thought he was. The difference between freshman and sophomore in some these guys drafted is really night and day sometimes.

[Dex]

And So It Begins............................................ ....................

Seriously, I've seen everything in this thread from Sochan will never survive the NBA to Sochan could be the next Giannis. And that's just on the last page or two...

Never change, SpursTalk.

[Atl Spur]

I didn’t get Sochan was going to be Greek from that post but we all comprehend differently. Kawhi was not Kawhi when he arrived in San Antonio. Sochan has a ton of ability ( international play really helped him )

[Atl Spur]

A lot people don't see that Tari Eason was way worse at Sochan's age. And also Jaden Ivey was pretty comparable to Wesley in his freshman year. Drafting these kids one year younger gives teams one more precious year to develop their skills. That's why age plays such a big part in the draft. If Tari did what he did this year as a freshman, he would have been a lottery pick like everyone here who wanted him thought he was. The difference between freshman and sophomore in some these guys drafted is really night and day sometimes.

Cha Ching!

[RC_Drunkford]

A lot people don't see that Tari Eason was way worse at Sochan's age. And also Jaden Ivey was pretty comparable to Wesley in his freshman year. Drafting these kids one year younger gives teams one more precious year to develop their skills. That's why age plays such a big part in the draft. If Tari did what he did this year as a freshman, he would have been a lottery pick like everyone here who wanted him thought he was. The difference between freshman and sophomore in some these guys drafted is really night and day sometimes.

with Wesley and Branham the Spurs basically drafted the freshman versions of Ivey and Davis. I‘m pretty sure if we had gotten Sochan, Davis and Ivey in this draft spurstalkers would think we can become a contender again

[Chinook]

Finally got around to watching the Wright press conference. For all the flake he gets on this site, I like his presence. He seems like one of the more competent execs out there, even if his actual execution leaves something to be desired sometimes. No idea why he thinks shaving his mustache like that was the right thing to do, but whatever.

Anyway, what I got from that conference is that the Spurs are going to be playing smaller. Wright talked about how small GS was in the Finals and completely ignored Boston starting two centers. He also talked about Sochan playing some five. That really does give me the sense that Johnson is going to play a ton of PF this year. He'll play some with other PFs like Sochan and maybe KBD if Keita survives another cut-down, but I don't think the Spurs believe him playing there is a problem. Moreover, I think it's a sign that the front office WANTS to move on from Poeltl but is trying to get what they want. Just as they seem to have a vision of two or three "point-guards" playing together, they seem to have a vision of a modern center who's mobile, shoots and has a floor game. That's why they signed Collins, Landale and even Cacock last year. That's why they preferred Sochan over Eason and picked up Barlow. It would explain why the Spurs don't have real interest in a power-forward like Collins who needs a traditional center next to him. It predicts that the Spurs won't really be interested in Ayton either.

I think we're going to see the Spurs continue to get smaller, playing 6-5 guys at SF and 6-7 guys at PF for long stretches. I don't really agree with that lesson -- I think Golden State won on the back of their GOAT candidate PG and due to Boston's inexperience, not on a superior scheme -- but it would make sense.

[offset formation]

Yes, it certainly sounds like they think small ball position-less basketball is the future. And they'll be right until they're wrong.

[mo7888]

Finally got around to watching the Wright press conference. For all the flake he gets on this site, I like his presence. He seems like one of the more competent execs out there, even if his actual execution leaves something to be desired sometimes. No idea why he thinks shaving his mustache like that was the right thing to do, but whatever.

Anyway, what I got from that conference is that the Spurs are going to be playing smaller. Wright talked about how small GS was in the Finals and completely ignored Boston starting two centers. He also talked about Sochan playing some five. That really does give me the sense that Johnson is going to play a ton of PF this year. He'll play some with other PFs like Sochan and maybe KBD if Keita survives another cut-down, but I don't think the Spurs believe him playing there is a problem. Moreover, I think it's a sign that the front office WANTS to move on from Poeltl but is trying to get what they want. Just as they seem to have a vision of two or three "point-guards" playing together, they seem to have a vision of a modern center who's mobile, shoots and has a floor game. That's why they signed Collins, Landale and even Cacock last year. That's why they preferred Sochan over Eason and picked up Barlow. It would explain why the Spurs don't have real interest in a power-forward like Collins who needs a traditional center next to him. It predicts that the Spurs won't really be interested in Ayton either.

I think we're going to see the Spurs continue to get smaller, playing 6-5 guys at SF and 6-7 guys at PF for long stretches. I don't really agree with that lesson -- I think Golden State won on the back of their GOAT candidate PG and due to Boston's inexperience, not on a superior scheme -- but it would make sense.

You can even see it in the 2 way guys we had to end the season. Two guys in Woodard and Stewart who are around 6'7" who played the wing in college but fit the mold of a pf in today's game. Both physical enough to bang down low....they fit the prototype they are looking at to a degree.

[duncan2150]

Finally got around to watching the Wright press conference. For all the flake he gets on this site, I like his presence. He seems like one of the more competent execs out there, even if his actual execution leaves something to be desired sometimes. No idea why he thinks shaving his mustache like that was the right thing to do, but whatever.

Anyway, what I got from that conference is that the Spurs are going to be playing smaller. Wright talked about how small GS was in the Finals and completely ignored Boston starting two centers. He also talked about Sochan playing some five. That really does give me the sense that Johnson is going to play a ton of PF this year. He'll play some with other PFs like Sochan and maybe KBD if Keita survives another cut-down, but I don't think the Spurs believe him playing there is a problem. Moreover, I think it's a sign that the front office WANTS to move on from Poeltl but is trying to get what they want. Just as they seem to have a vision of two or three "point-guards" playing together, they seem to have a vision of a modern center who's mobile, shoots and has a floor game. That's why they signed Collins, Landale and even Cacock last year. That's why they preferred Sochan over Eason and picked up Barlow. It would explain why the Spurs don't have real interest in a power-forward like Collins who needs a traditional center next to him. It predicts that the Spurs won't really be interested in Ayton either.

I think we're going to see the Spurs continue to get smaller, playing 6-5 guys at SF and 6-7 guys at PF for long stretches. I don't really agree with that lesson -- I think Golden State won on the back of their GOAT candidate PG and due to Boston's inexperience, not on a superior scheme -- but it would make sense.

You can see the Spurs going all season with Jock, Zach and Jak as only bigs ? ( i'm not ignoring Sochan or Johnson who could play some 4)

I really think and hope they will take at least a Jalen Smith type of guy.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/paulgarcianba/status/1540737135699017728?s=21&t=A2HZC2GGnjkVVb6sSLYksQ

Probably the angle and the shoes, but Wesley looks tall here.

Havent been this excited for a rook since Kawhi.

[Rosewood]

I don't know anything about Blake, but our first two picks are really good players. Glad to hear from people here that Blake has high upside as well.

[offset formation]

https://twitter.com/paulgarcianba/status/1540737135699017728?s=21&t=A2HZC2GGnjkVVb6sSLYksQ

Probably the angle and the shoes, but Wesley looks tall here.

Havent been this excited for a rook since Kawhi.

He's 6'4 1/4"

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/paulgarcianba/status/1540737135699017728

Probably the angle and the shoes, but Wesley looks tall here.

Havent been this excited for a rook since Kawhi.

[offset formation]

He's also got some clod-hoppers on. Sheesh, how thick are those things?

[R. DeMurre]

Wesley was just measured 30 days ago in a completely objective environment by draft combine people with no agenda. He's 6'3" in bare feet and 6'4.25" in shoes.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/n_magaro/status/1540748044664066050

[Robz4000]

Finally got around to watching the Wright press conference. For all the flake he gets on this site, I like his presence. He seems like one of the more competent execs out there, even if his actual execution leaves something to be desired sometimes. No idea why he thinks shaving his mustache like that was the right thing to do, but whatever.

Anyway, what I got from that conference is that the Spurs are going to be playing smaller. Wright talked about how small GS was in the Finals and completely ignored Boston starting two centers. He also talked about Sochan playing some five. That really does give me the sense that Johnson is going to play a ton of PF this year. He'll play some with other PFs like Sochan and maybe KBD if Keita survives another cut-down, but I don't think the Spurs believe him playing there is a problem. Moreover, I think it's a sign that the front office WANTS to move on from Poeltl but is trying to get what they want. Just as they seem to have a vision of two or three "point-guards" playing together, they seem to have a vision of a modern center who's mobile, shoots and has a floor game. That's why they signed Collins, Landale and even Cacock last year. That's why they preferred Sochan over Eason and picked up Barlow. It would explain why the Spurs don't have real interest in a power-forward like Collins who needs a traditional center next to him. It predicts that the Spurs won't really be interested in Ayton either.

I think we're going to see the Spurs continue to get smaller, playing 6-5 guys at SF and 6-7 guys at PF for long stretches. I don't really agree with that lesson -- I think Golden State won on the back of their GOAT candidate PG and due to Boston's inexperience, not on a superior scheme -- but it would make sense.

That would be depressing as fuck tbh.

[BatManu20]

1540731867237822464

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/n_magaro/status/1540748044664066050

At the risk of fanboi'ing a bit, listen to how Sochan talks. He's so inclusive. There's a risk that Branham and Wesley see each other as direct competition. Which they are, of course, but there's room for both, and I can imagine them being awkward with each other just by themselves. But Sochan's this big, happy, inclusive personality. His locker room presence must be exceptional.

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWHNax7X0AEB5Fg?format=jpg&name=large

[offset formation]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWHNax7X0AEB5Fg?format=jpg&name=large

Here's to hoping at least 2 of those numbers are hanging in the rafters in 15-20 years.

[SAGirl]

Finally got around to watching the Wright press conference. For all the flake he gets on this site, I like his presence. He seems like one of the more competent execs out there, even if his actual execution leaves something to be desired sometimes. No idea why he thinks shaving his mustache like that was the right thing to do, but whatever.

Anyway, what I got from that conference is that the Spurs are going to be playing smaller. Wright talked about how small GS was in the Finals and completely ignored Boston starting two centers. He also talked about Sochan playing some five. That really does give me the sense that Johnson is going to play a ton of PF this year. He'll play some with other PFs like Sochan and maybe KBD if Keita survives another cut-down, but I don't think the Spurs believe him playing there is a problem. Moreover, I think it's a sign that the front office WANTS to move on from Poeltl but is trying to get what they want. Just as they seem to have a vision of two or three "point-guards" playing together, they seem to have a vision of a modern center who's mobile, shoots and has a floor game. That's why they signed Collins, Landale and even Cacock last year. That's why they preferred Sochan over Eason and picked up Barlow. It would explain why the Spurs don't have real interest in a power-forward like Collins who needs a traditional center next to him. It predicts that the Spurs won't really be interested in Ayton either.

I think we're going to see the Spurs continue to get smaller, playing 6-5 guys at SF and 6-7 guys at PF for long stretches. I don't really agree with that lesson -- I think Golden State won on the back of their GOAT candidate PG and due to Boston's inexperience, not on a superior scheme -- but it would make sense.
Thanks for your report and impressions. Only the GSW have won a championship like they have bc they have an NBA all time player in their team and a few other talents that are special.

I dont really want them trying to replicate a formula that still requires exceptional talent, but I suppose it is what it is. If they keep drafting out of the top 3 they wont have the best chance at a talent that once you have him, he changes whatever it was you were trying to do b4.

I cant do anything but root for whatever version of the Spurs is out there. If this iteration doesnt succeed maybe they try to change their formula.

[SAGirl]

^ It will be frustrating to see Sochan playing center if it comes to that. One of the reasons everyone hates when the Spurs get manhandled is that they insist on playing guys that get overwhelmed at times…. I hope that is not the case.

[R. DeMurre]

^ It will be frustrating to see Sochan playing center if it comes to that. One of the reasons everyone hates when the Spurs get manhandled is that they insist on playing guys that get overwhelmed at times…. I hope that is not the case.


I think if Sochan reaches his absolute ceiling than being able to be a small ball center for some stretches might be one of his greatest strengths. I like him at PF at least 65-70% of the time, but if can pull off a good imitation of Draymond/Bam/Time Lord in crucial minutes, that would be incredible.

[Chinook]

I don't think the Spurs draft Sochan as a center. I think they drafted him as a defender. I do think they believe he can do a lot of the same things that Draymond Green allows Golden State to do, but I don't believe they think they're ready to play that style of offense right now. I think they're huge believers in the team as a transition-oriented offense and in Murray as the captain of that offense. I don't believe they have any intention to trade him. I do think they question Poeltl's fit in such an offense, but they likely do have interest in a lankier center who can finish, move his feet and all that. Maybe Duren would've been that guy, but it wouldn't surprise me if they absolutely didn't think Mark Williams was. I'm not saying they feigned interest, but I don't think he would've been the pick how Sochan not been on the board.

I also think STers might be misunderstand the effect Sochan -- or even Sochan starting -- is supposed to have on the team. The goal of this isn't to have Johnson play "his natural position of small-forward". It's to allow Johnson to just go out there and play without having to worry about defensive mismatches. I think we'd see plenty of games starting the Johnson/Sochan pair that still had Johnson guarding PFs. It'd be a waste of Sochan's versatility to lock him into the one position where his physical gifts are the least superlative. If Sochan is going to be that "designated defender", then they're going to need guys to hold up any multiple positions. That could mean Keldon guarding fours. It could mean Poeltl guarding fours. It could mean Vassell having to chase around an undersized two-guard so Sochan can guard the SF. There's an opposite side to every cross-guarding. Like against Golden State, Sochan might guard Curry, which means Vassell might guard Thompson, Murray might guard Wiggins and Johnson might guard Draymond. Then Johnson is bad to playing PF against a big strong player who might overwhelm him, the same as this last year. We'll see.

[rankingtear]

What's the point of Sochan if you won't play him some center minutes.

[longhorn]

I think if Sochan reaches his absolute ceiling than being able to be a small ball center for some stretches might be one of his greatest strengths. I like him at PF at least 65-70% of the time, but if can pull off a good imitation of Draymond/Bam/Time Lord in crucial minutes, that would be incredible.

^ This.

It's not so much about "Sochan is a center," it's that he could potentially be capable of playing minutes at the 5, especially to counter teams that try and go small against us. If we have Jak--or some other traditional center in--and teams try and counter his rim protection with a small, spaced out lineup, Sochan potentially gives us a way to match that.

Lineup versatility is an asset, not a problem. I don't think Wright mentioning Sochan's ability to play center indicates that him playing there is our long-term plan at the position.

[Dejounte]

Sochan mentioned in one of his interviews that he’s really excited to play with Keldon.

[Atl Spur]

Sochan mentioned in one of his interviews that he’s really excited to play with Keldon.

Them two….. I can’t wait for us to start taking lunch money!

[Atl Spur]

Blake has that heart….can’t be taught.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sochan will most likely guard the best scoring wings like nephew, KD, etc. Spurs finally have that lockdown defender again that we are so accustomed to. And Pop does go small a lot during games, so I expect to see some Sochan at Center line ups. By the way Keldon is a PF so Sochan will probably play SF according to Chinook

[longhorn]

How on earth has this team not figured out how to live stream--or at least upload video shortly afterwards--the introductory press conference from the AT&T Center with our three first-round rookies? It happened over three hours ago and there's literally no mention of it on the team's social media, YouTube, or website.

[BacktoBasics]

How on earth has this team not figured out how to live stream--or at least upload video shortly afterwards--the introductory press conference from the AT&T Center with our three first-round rookies? It happened over three hours ago and there's literally no mention of it on the team's social media, YouTube, or website.

This is no shock. We can’t even get games on streaming platforms. We’re still living in an era where blackouts exist.

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This is no shock. We can’t even get games on streaming platforms. We’re still living in an era where blackouts exist.

Engaging. I bought the NBA all access pass a couple years ago, living in Austin, and wasn't allowed to watch a single one of their fucking games, despite having done so because I didn't have access to those shown on that local channel.

[BacktoBasics]

Engaging. I bought the NBA all access pass a couple years ago, living in Austin, and wasn't allowed to watch a single one of their fucking games, despite having done so because I didn't have access to those shown on that local channel.

Exact same problem in Corpus Christi. I believe this exists through Victoria and into the valley as well.

It’s a simple solution too. Anything outside of SA city limits should be given the ability to at the very least purchase League Pass. Not everyone is subscribed to satellite or tradition cable.

Bally was supposed to go subscription but that looks no closer today than a year ago.

The illegal streams I use are hit and miss.

[tonight...you]

Exact same problem in Corpus Christi. I believe this exists through Victoria and into the valley as well.

It’s a simple solution too. Anything outside of SA city limits should be given the ability to at the very least purchase League Pass. Not everyone is subscribed to satellite or tradition cable.

Bally was supposed to go subscription but that looks no closer today than a year ago.

The illegal streams I use are hit and miss.
Goes all the way to El Paso, which makes zero sense.

[KingKev]

Exact same problem in Corpus Christi. I believe this exists through Victoria and into the valley as well.

It’s a simple solution too. Anything outside of SA city limits should be given the ability to at the very least purchase League Pass. Not everyone is subscribed to satellite or tradition cable.

Bally was supposed to go subscription but that looks no closer today than a year ago.

The illegal streams I use are hit and miss.

I’ve lived in 3 different NBA cities and this is the case unfortunately.

[longhorn]

This is no shock. We can’t even get games on streaming platforms. We’re still living in an era where blackouts exist.

tbh, I think that they're a completely separate issue. I know there are rules pertaining to games being blacked out, based on if the game is sold out, what media market you live in, etc. There are no rules that I know of about press conferences. I'm a fan of the Buffalo Bills, for instance, and they live-stream most if not every press conference, and have them uploaded pretty shortly thereafter on YouTube. There are blackouts for streaming games in the NFL, but they still have a media department that can do this.

I think the Spurs team media department just sucks/is embarrassingly understaffed and underfunded for a professional sports franchise. Local media was sharing quotes, pictures, and video clips from the press conference on Twitter, as well as the players shooting around a bit on the court in their new uniforms. It took a solid 6 to 7 hours after local media was doing this for the Spurs to even put out a tweet of the guys on the court/with their new uniforms/numbers, and there's still no clips or video of their presser to be found on any of the team's official platforms.

[scott]

Exact same problem in Corpus Christi. I believe this exists through Victoria and into the valley as well.

It’s a simple solution too. Anything outside of SA city limits should be given the ability to at the very least purchase League Pass. Not everyone is subscribed to satellite or tradition cable.

Bally was supposed to go subscription but that looks no closer today than a year ago.

The illegal streams I use are hit and miss.

I live in HI and can get all the games via League Pass except for ones played in CA because there is some obscure cable provider on another island who has some CA sports channels as part of their package. It's super annoying.

[BacktoBasics]

tbh, I think that they're a completely separate issue. I know there are rules pertaining to games being blacked out, based on if the game is sold out, what media market you live in, etc. There are no rules that I know of about press conferences. I'm a fan of the Buffalo Bills, for instance, and they live-stream most if not every press conference, and have them uploaded pretty shortly thereafter on YouTube. There are blackouts for streaming games in the NFL, but they still have a media department that can do this.

I think the Spurs team media department just sucks/is embarrassingly understaffed and underfunded for a professional sports franchise. Local media was sharing quotes, pictures, and video clips from the press conference on Twitter, as well as the players shooting around a bit on the court in their new uniforms. It took a solid 6 to 7 hours after local media was doing this for the Spurs to even put out a tweet of the guys on the court/with their new uniforms/numbers, and there's still no clips or video of their presser to be found on any of the team's official platforms.
Oh I know it’s a different thing. I was just using it an excuse to bitch and moan publicly.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJwWYbewCTw

[objective]

How on earth has this team not figured out how to live stream--or at least upload video shortly afterwards--the introductory press conference from the AT&T Center with our three first-round rookies? It happened over three hours ago and there's literally no mention of it on the team's social media, YouTube, or website.


This is no shock. We can’t even get games on streaming platforms. We’re still living in an era where blackouts exist.




Bally was supposed to go subscription but that looks no closer today than a year ago.
.

Bally Sports+ has just launched, and will be ready for the upcoming season

19.95 a month, or 189.99 a year.

Supposedly San Antonio Spurs will be available

[Ice009]

Is there any video of the press conference?

[PhantomDashCam]

https://youtu.be/JOgLXRsyoy8

[longhorn]

https://youtu.be/JOgLXRsyoy8

8 hours later, we finally have it. :lol

[BatManu20]

These guys have a good rapport already. I like it.

[pookenstein]

Exact same problem in Corpus Christi. I believe this exists through Victoria and into the valley as well.

It’s a simple solution too. Anything outside of SA city limits should be given the ability to at the very least purchase League Pass. Not everyone is subscribed to satellite or tradition cable.

Bally was supposed to go subscription but that looks no closer today than a year ago.

The illegal streams I use are hit and miss.

Why not use a VPN? Get the Internatinal League Pass from a country where it's cheap and wtch every game you want.

[venitian navigator]

I'm no gm and I'm sure patfo has done an excellent work... But frankly, expecially considering our rebounding problems, I don't understand why we gave away our 38 pick when there was the opportunity to take at least two prospects (Liddell and Brown) that were projected as first round picks (so undoubtedly talented) and exactly what our roster was missing (athletic and strong wings)... Plus both with connections with our actual picks (Liddell Ohio State like Branham, Brown Baylor like Sochan)...

[JPB]

Why not use a VPN? Get the Internatinal League Pass from a country where it's cheap and wtch every game you want.

Was about to post about VPNs. Yeah, that's what they're made for. I mean besides helping fighting propaganda in dictatorships. Altough they don't always work and you can't sometimes suscribe or pay if your VPN is detected.

[JPB]

Was about to post about VPNs. Yeah, that's what they're made for. I mean besides helping fighting propaganda in dictatorships. Altough they don't always work and you can't sometimes suscribe or pay if your VPN is detected.

... on some commercial websites. Can't tell about international passes.

(Godam, not even 20 seconds and you can't edit your post... That's brutal :D)

[T Park]

I'm no gm and I'm sure patfo has done an excellent work... But frankly, expecially considering our rebounding problems, I don't understand why we gave away our 38 pick when there was the opportunity to take at least two prospects (Liddell and Brown) that were projected as first round picks (so undoubtedly talented) and exactly what our roster was missing (athletic and strong wings)... Plus both with connections with our actual picks (Liddell Ohio State like Branham, Brown Baylor like Sochan)...


4 rookies on the roster next year was not happening.

[Chinook]

4 rookies on the roster next year was not happening.

It's literally happening already.

[offset formation]

Bally Sports+ has just launched, and will be ready for the upcoming season

19.95 a month, or 189.99 a year.

Supposedly San Antonio Spurs will be available

Will that cover all 82 games? Including the ones where shown on that local SA station?

[offset formation]

4 rookies on the roster next year was not happening.

Seems like a delayed deal with the devil on future contract madness to keep max cap space for now and over next few years. Someday you gotta pay the piper though

[The Truth #6]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJwWYbewCTw

I love that Jeremy has Rodman’s old jersey number. (And to be fair, David Wood’s number too, but that’s going back.)

[The Truth #6]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJwWYbewCTw

I love that Jeremy has Rodman’s old jersey number. (And to be fair, David Wood’s number too, but that’s going back.)

[3&D_TBH]

Um, we signed like two undrafted players so honestly there's like 5 rooks coming in. lol
Also, thanks for the update on Bally Sports because even in Amarillo texas I have struggled for several years to get Spurs games and I have tried everything except VPN. Let's go tbh

[Chinook]

Um, we signed like two undrafted players so honestly there's like 5 rooks coming in. lol
Also, thanks for the update on Bally Sports because even in Amarillo texas I have struggled for several years to get Spurs games and I have tried everything except VPN. Let's go tbh

As far as I know, the Spurs have only signed one UDFA. Summer league deals don't count, as they don't give the Spurs regular-season rights of any kind. Barlow legit signed a contract with the Spurs, and if he survives the season, the Spurs will have RFA rights. It's just like what happened with Wieskamp. Someone like Hall could sign with another team tomorrow with the Spurs having no say.

[BacktoBasics]

Why not use a VPN? Get the Internatinal League Pass from a country where it's cheap and wtch every game you want.

Free streams have been okay. A little hit and miss but for the most part I'm able to watch. So I haven't really wanted to pay for a VPN.

How would I apply a VPN to say NBA League Pass through Roku? That might be worth doing if it was possible.

I've read though, if caught, its an IP ban. That would kinda suck.

[offset formation]

Free streams have been okay. A little hit and miss but for the most part I'm able to watch. So I haven't really wanted to pay for a VPN.

How would I apply a VPN to say NBA League Pass through Roku? That might be worth doing if it was possible.

I've read though, if caught, its an IP ban. That would kinda suck.

From Roku or the NBA? I have Roku too so I'm interested in how this would work in the reply

[offset formation]

The free (illegal) streams that I tap into are not only glitchy but of very poor video quality that I am casting from my phone onto the TV.

[keithington1]

If you watch a Scottie Barnes 2021 draft scouting report you would think they were talking about Sochan

[Mr. Body]

John Butler hasn't been signed as an UDFA, I don't believe.

[BacktoBasics]

The free (illegal) streams that I tap into are not only glitchy but of very poor video quality that I am casting from my phone onto the TV.

I use sports surge and if you sift through you can find reasonably good streams but occasionally they’ll freeze or chop.

[BacktoBasics]

From Roku or the NBA? I have Roku too so I'm interested in how this would work in the reply

I’ve read that league will ban but I can’t say for sure. Roku probably doesn’t care.

[BacktoBasics]

From Roku or the NBA? I have Roku too so I'm interested in how this would work in the reply

I’d love to know how to apply a vpn to a roku device. If possible then I could add the nba app and buy league pass. I’d do that in a heartbeat.

[heyheymymy]

Streameast is very reliable and user friendly

[dbestpro]

I’d love to know how to apply a vpn to a roku device. If possible then I could add the nba app and buy league pass. I’d do that in a heartbeat.

Could have done it with unlisted channels but not now that Roku dumped unlisted and only allows published channels. Time to move away for Roku for underground video. Android TVs may be the best option but you will probably have to build or modify the app

[objective]

Will that cover all 82 games? Including the ones where shown on that local SA station?

It will just be the games shown on Bally Sports, the former Fox Sports Southwest

[BacktoBasics]

Bally Sports+ has just launched, and will be ready for the upcoming season

19.95 a month, or 189.99 a year.

Supposedly San Antonio Spurs will be available
As a stand alone subscription? Will it require a cable or satellite subscription?

[JPB]

Free streams have been okay. A little hit and miss but for the most part I'm able to watch. So I haven't really wanted to pay for a VPN.

How would I apply a VPN to say NBA League Pass through Roku? That might be worth doing if it was possible.

I've read though, if caught, its an IP ban. That would kinda suck.

You have free VPNs but most antivirus (Norton, Kapersky...) have an integrated VPN.

And as far being "caught", you never really are. All that can eventually happens is the site detect you're using a VPN but they have no way to get you real IP since you're precisely using a VPN. They can't track you back to your real IP., only the VPN knows it.

I used to go on VIPLeague, which was pretty reliablebut not so much anymore. There's also nbahdreplay.com to watch the game in replay (a few hours after) if you missed them.

Not that Im' advocating for anythin illegal, right?

[BacktoBasics]

Not sure if this is what you were referring to but it looks like it requires a subscription. No mention of + those so maybe it’s different.


https://www.ballysports.com/nba/3429-san-antonio-spurs/

[objective]

As a stand alone subscription? Will it require a cable or satellite subscription?


Not sure if this is what you were referring to but it looks like it requires a subscription. No mention of + those so maybe it’s different.


https://www.ballysports.com/nba/3429-san-antonio-spurs/

It will be standalone. It just launched Thursday in select markets, unless all these cord cutter websites are pulling a prank

https://thestreamable.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-bally-sports-plus-sinclairs-new-rsn-streaming-service

[BacktoBasics]

It will be standalone. It just launched Thursday in select markets, unless all these cord cutter websites are pulling a prank

https://thestreamable.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-bally-sports-plus-sinclairs-new-rsn-streaming-service
Okay I found it. Soft launch now. I’m guessing it’ll be available before the season starts.

Let’s hope they don’t screw this up. I could see a world where league pass blacks out Corpus and the Valley because it’s considered market but bally considers anything over 100 miles to be out of market. Fingers crossed.

[objective]

And while the Streamable site from a few days ago did not list the Spurs but did list the Mavs with Bally Sports Southwest, this article from January lists the Spurs as a team that came to a streaming agreement

https://thestreamable.com/news/sinclair-finalizes-dtc-streaming-deal-for-16-nba-teams

[emanueldavidginobili]

Streameast is very reliable and user friendly
Yeah that is the best site to watch any sporting event right now.

[pookenstein]

Free streams have been okay. A little hit and miss but for the most part I'm able to watch. So I haven't really wanted to pay for a VPN.

How would I apply a VPN to say NBA League Pass through Roku? That might be worth doing if it was possible.

I've read though, if caught, its an IP ban. That would kinda suck.

Sorry, can't help you there. I'm a german living in Germany, so I can purchase the International League Pass legally without VPN.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOgLXRsyoy8

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIGpzKS6V3A

[Ditty]

Remember when we drafted Deshaun Thomas in 2013 and he didn’t want to give the Spurs his phone number? :lol.

[Dejounte]

timvp how do we post insta videos anymore? The old way doesnt seem to work.

[Dejounte]

timvp how do we post insta videos anymore? The old way doesnt seem to work.

[TDomination]

I love that Jeremy has Rodman’s old jersey number. (And to be fair, David Wood’s number too, but that’s going back.)

it was also Demar Derozans #

funny i keep seeing people mention how he has Rodmans # yet Derozan not only played here much more recent but played more years here. lol
probably has to do with the dyed hair and different hair styles Sochan has had and also that spurs fan quickly wanted to erase the derozan years from their memory.

[KingKev]

it was also Demar Derozans #

funny i keep seeing people mention how he has Rodmans # yet Derozan not only played here much more recent but played more years here. lol
probably has to do with the dyed hair and different hair styles Sochan has had and also that spurs fan quickly wanted to erase the derozan years from their memory.

Don’t underestimate wanting to forget the DDR era.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSko6tmlxAY&list=WL&index=1

[slick'81]

it was also Demar Derozans #

funny i keep seeing people mention how he has Rodmans # yet Derozan not only played here much more recent but played more years here. lol
probably has to do with the dyed hair and different hair styles Sochan has had and also that spurs fan quickly wanted to erase the derozan years from their memory.


demar who?:lol

[rascal]

Spurs still have one of the least athletic and most boring team in the league.

You can't win in this league without athleticism.

Detroit won this draft. Ivey, Duren and Procida

[mo7888]

Spurs still have one of the least athletic and most boring team in the league.

You can't win in this league without athleticism.

Detroit won this draft. Ivey, Duren and Procida

Curious (since you really like Detroit's draft as do i)...what do you think the holdup is on getting Duren from the Knicks....that deal apparently still hasn't gone through..

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Curious (since you really like Detroit's draft as do i)...what do you think the holdup is on getting Duren from the Knicks....that deal apparently still hasn't gone through..

Because they still technically don't have the cap space to absorb Kemba's contract - it's agreed in principle and will be completed after July 1st, like a ton of deals that are agreed around draft time.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Spurs still have one of the least athletic and most boring team in the league.

You can't win in this league without athleticism.

Detroit won this draft. Ivey, Duren and Procida
https://c.tenor.com/pgqf6BDXADIAAAAC/the-office-steve-carell.gif

[mo7888]

Because they still technically don't have the cap space to absorb Kemba's contract - it's agreed in principle and will be completed after July 1st, like a ton of deals that are agreed around draft time.

That makes sense...usually I see it reported that a deal was constructed with that in mind but I hadn't seen that reported anywhere...I might have just missed it though..

[ragas]

In case the Spurs really trade Dejounte. If they don't want to pay him in two years, they definitely aren't gonna throw the max on Ayton.

[T Park]

Spurs still have one of the least athletic and most boring team in the league.

You can't win in this league without athleticism.

Detroit won this draft. Ivey, Duren and Procida



Ok boomer

[rjv]

Ok boomer

:lol

[Mr. Body]

In case the Spurs really trade Dejounte. If they don't want to pay him in two years, they definitely aren't gonna throw the max on Ayton.

Ayton was never in the cards. John Collins definitely was never in the cards.

The only place in the universe that truly thinks Ayton would be going to the Spurs is SpursTalk.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1541961715075670018

[slick'81]

Ayton was never in the cards. John Collins definitely was never in the cards.

The only place in the universe that truly thinks Ayton would be going to the Spurs is SpursTalk.


this i agree with 1000%

[slick'81]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1541961715075670018


i am soo tired of this insufferable hag

[Atl Spur]

Really? She seems cool to me…

[slick'81]

Really? She seems cool to me…

last stop here on her failed career path,tbh

[John B]

last stop here on her failed career path,tbh

Hey UTSA product baby