Woj: Murray for Gallinari and multiple 1sts

[tim_duncan_fan]

Besides the timeline, DJ is a bad archetype (defensive PG with a bad shot, not a good closer). And hes already had a bad injury. I get being pissed about the return, but I'm mostly relieved they moved on because he already hit his ceiling imho


^That's the biggest thing. The illusion that we had this perennial all-star just waiting for his 2nd guy is dead. And it desperately needed to die.

[Ditty]

I have been wanting to Spurs to lose every single the last few seasons to tank tbh so what is to it another season lol.Glad they finally blew it out four years later.I have been a Redskins/Commanders fan my entire life and you all know the story with them. It can’t get any worse than that trust me. Spurs will be fine imo.

[TekXX]

It's a bad trade obviously but it was a good decision by the FO. I am pro-tank so a change up from a decade of mediocrity is welcome. Besides DJ gets to finally have some media attention and he'll have better chances to make all star teams so i think all sides will benefit from this, DJ immediately and the Spurs potentionally in the long run.

[Killakobe81]

After reading through this thread I get your points …
But got 3 first even if crappy ones for a fringe all star they knew couldn’t lead a title team
Has an agent that is difficult to work with
And they knew would want more than Spurs would be willing to pay

I think you guys overrate DJ and his value in the league …
You did not take them in the deal but right now it seems fair and if any of the picks hit you win it.
Spur fan always brags about how they draft and develop and not buy titles like LAkers
Now you got plenty of picks to play with

[Ditty]

At least we don’t have to see Murray get raped by Morant four games a year now. Murray had no answer to him. That’s what kind of turned me off on him even if Morant destroyed pretty much everyone this past season.

[baseline bum]

After reading through this thread I get your points …
But got 3 first even if crappy ones for a fringe all star they knew couldn’t lead a title team
Has an agent that is difficult to work with
And they knew would want more than Spurs would be willing to pay

I think you guys overrate DJ and his value in the league …
You did not take them in the deal but right now it seems fair and if any of the picks hit you win it.
Spur fan always brags about how they draft and develop and not buy titles like LAkers
Now you got plenty of picks to play with

They did not get three firsts. That Charlotte pick is heavily protected in 2023, 2024, and 2025, and becomes two seconds in 2026 if it doesn't confer in the next 3 years. It only confers if it's 17 or higher next year, 15 or higher in 2024, or 14 or higher in 2025. So if Charlotte isn't a solid playoff team in the next three years it's two seconds. The only two players they have drafted in the second round this century that became rotation players for them were Dejuan Blair and Tre Jones.

[spurs1990]

Murray taking the high road

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[SPURt]

Spurs sold as high as they can with DJM. I loved him as a Spur, but this was the right move. So much could’ve gone wrong if they kept him. His value lowers if he isn’t an all star. His value lowers if he remains out of the playoffs. If he manages to be an all star and all nba player while making the playoffs, that means the value of the Spurs pick lowers.

The Spurs don’t have to get the #1 pick in 2023, they have to get close enough that they can trade and get Wamalamadingdong. That could mean attaching the picks they got for Murray. This feels bad today, but this was the right move. The real question, will Wamalamadingdong still be the #1 pick come next draft? Chet was supposed to be the #1 overall, then Smith, but it ended up being Paolo.

I’m looking forward to this season just as much as pre-trade because we weren’t gonna be watching playoff ball in the end either way. In this scenario, we get to see Coach Pop with literally no clear main option. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a coach of his caliber be in this situation.

[Ice009]

Lol people all up in their feelings. Hilarious stuff.

Did Murray ask for a trade? You said he didn't. It sure as shit feels like he asked out. If not, did the Spurs approach him and tell him they're looking to trade him? If it was that scenario, it seems he got to pick where he goes. Surely they could have done a better deal with a different team.

[Seventyniner]

Murray taking the high road

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Nice. Nothing but respect for Dejounte. He balled his ass off and was positive all the time. I'm going to miss his leadership and work ethic even more than his on-court production.

[TekXX]

Murray taking the high road

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He gets to ball out in Hotlanta with ten times more media coverage, i doubt he's too broken up about this.

[Mr. Body]

He gets to ball out in Hotlanta with ten times more media coverage, i doubt he's too broken up about this.

Oh, yes. Definitely a Klutch performance.

[Killakobe81]

They did not get three firsts. That Charlotte pick is heavily protected in 2023, 2024, and 2025, and becomes two seconds in 2026 if it doesn't confer in the next 3 years. It only confers if it's 17 or higher next year, 15 or higher in 2024, or 14 or higher in 2025. So if Charlotte isn't a solid playoff team in the next three years it's two seconds. The only two players they have drafted in the second round this century that became rotation players for them were Dejuan Blair and Tre Jones.

Again great points.
DJ wanted out and y’all didn’t wanna pay him long term at Rich Paul prices
He was your best player, sure but Dourfan knows greatness he is not that
Maybe he has a DDR type season and it will hurt, but I doubt it.
Even if he did do you wanna pay Paul prices for it?

[Atl Spur]

Isn’t he supposed to do what’s best for him and his family???? Any agency would do the same I’m thinking.

[spurs1990]

Likely unintentional but nice throwback to the early ‘90s Hemisfair PA chant by Simmons

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[Killakobe81]

Plus you had a solid draft I think immediate future is tough but down the road Im with Deeps gotta invest in a rebuild can’t pussy foot around and go for meaningless playoff berths.

[exstatic]

Did Murray ask for a trade? You said he didn't. It sure as shit feels like he asked out. If not, did the Spurs approach him and tell him they're looking to trade him? If it was that scenario, it seems he got to pick where he goes. Surely they could have done a better deal with a different team.

My thoughts on what happened. ATL called before the draft to work something 3 ways. Spurs let DJ know, and he and Trae started texting. When that deal died, Trae still wanted him in ATL, so the new deal was constituted and executed.

[objective]

What's the line on win totals?

I like Atlanta over 50, gotta go to Vegas. And yes, I know that season totals are a sucker game and it's better to just bet every game.

[widowmaker]

Yo everybody knows this is a shitty trade. Most of the guys that love it are trolls that only have a couple hundred post on this forum. The real mother fuckers know that, it is chaotic what is gonna be out there this coming next season. Who’s gonna run the point? Tre jones? Primo? Come on. Are they going to have a point forward offense now with Keldon? Everything points to failure

[lefty20]

Yo everybody knows this is a shitty trade. Most of the guys that love it are trolls that only have a couple hundred post on this forum. The real mother fuckers know that, it is chaotic what is gonna be out there this coming next season. Who’s gonna run the point? Tre jones? Primo? Come on. Are they going to have a point forward offense now with Keldon? Everything points to failure

But that's how tanking works.

We've needed a full reset since Nephew fucked us over. This was a long time coming, tbh.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I know a lot of folks are gonna disagree but I Don’t think the picks will be as bad as most think. Atlanta still needs to make more moves in my opinion

[Mr. Body]

Likely unintentional but nice throwback to the early ‘90s Hemisfair PA chant by Simmons

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Can we stop this shit? You can't really tank for the top pick anymore.

[exstatic]

I know a lot of folks are gonna disagree but I Don’t think the picks will be as bad as most think. Atlanta still needs to make more moves in my opinion

They’re a flawed team. They still have a PG that plays no defense, and being a bad 3 point shooter doesn’t lend itself to DJ playing well off the ball.

[widowmaker]

But that's how tanking works.

We've needed a full reset since Nephew fucked us over. This was a long time coming, tbh.

They ain’t gonna tank. They will still compete and some will probably surprise now with they the ball in their hands.

[exstatic]

Can we stop this shit? You can't really tank for the top pick anymore.

People think they are, but I just see them collecting picks, and weeding out failed franchise player candidates. They’ll keep trying until they hit one. They won’t shut anyone down to lose games at the end of the year. Pop wouldn’t come back for that. I see next year not being substantially different from last year.

[lefty20]

Can we stop this shit? You can't really tank for the top pick anymore.

You still need bottom 3 record to get the most ping pong balls possible. So yeah it does kinda still work, tbh.

Even if we don't win Wimby sweepstakes, a top 5 picks gives us better chance to land a future MVP caliber player. DJ wasn't it and that's exactly what it'll take for us to get back to contention.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah we're not tanking. People need to realize this.

[spurs1990]

I love that the Spurs got the ‘25 and ‘27 picks. Murray may end up bolting in ‘24 for LA to play with his mentor James, and Atlanta could plummet dramatically starting there and even worse by 2027

[lefty20]

They ain’t gonna tank. They will still compete and some will probably surprise now with they the ball in their hands.

Is pop gonna rest healthy players? No

Are we gonna win more than 25 games with a roster full of healthy players? No

We're tanking, tbh.

[gambit1990]

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[Mr. Body]

You still need bottom 3 record to get the most ping pong balls possible. So yeah it does kinda still work, tbh.

Even if we don't win Wimby sweepstakes, a top 5 picks gives us better chance to land a future MVP caliber player. DJ wasn't it and that's exactly what it'll take for us to get back to contention.

Dude, no. There's only a 14% chance to land the top pick. Can't people get this through their skulls? There's no tanking for tall skinny French guy.

[Mr. Body]

You still need bottom 3 record to get the most ping pong balls possible. So yeah it does kinda still work, tbh.

Even if we don't win Wimby sweepstakes, a top 5 picks gives us better chance to land a future MVP caliber player. DJ wasn't it and that's exactly what it'll take for us to get back to contention.

Dude, no. There's only a 14% chance to land the top pick. Can't people get this through their skulls? There's no tanking for tall skinny French guy.

[timtonymanu]

That mini-high we had from the draft was fun while it lasted :lol

Remember when people said Murray coming back from his injury meant the Spurs were a 50 win team in 2020. Instead, they finish with about 30 wins (would have finished under 40 if Covid didn’t happen). People need to stop with the knee jerk reactions and see how things play out first.

[exstatic]

I love that the Spurs got the ‘25 and ‘27 picks. Murray may end up bolting in ‘24 for LA to play with his mentor James, and Atlanta could plummet dramatically starting there and even worse by 2027

James won’t be there in 24. They don’t have a pick to grab Bronny, and LeBron has said he’s playing with Bronny wherever he’s drafted. That will be next summer.

[slick'81]

Dude, no. There's only a 14% chance to land the top pick. Can't people get this through their skulls? There's no tanking for tall skinny French guy.


they dont have to purposely lose. They absolutely suck now

[lefty20]

Dude, no. There's only a 14% chance to land the top pick. Can't people get this through their skulls? There's no tanking for tall skinny French guy.

And taking a shot at that 14% lotto ticket is still better than being stuck in the 8-11 seed purgatory that we've been in since Nephew left.

Even a top 5 pick would give us a better chance a grabbing our next franchise corner stone that we absolutely need to contend.

[Spursfanfromafar]

It's a shame that we lose Murray. The kid punched above his weight to get where he did. He is a natural leader. I hate this move even if I understand why the Spurs did it.

[baseline bum]

Again great points.
DJ wanted out and y’all didn’t wanna pay him long term at Rich Paul prices
He was your best player, sure but Dourfan knows greatness he is not that
Maybe he has a DDR type season and it will hurt, but I doubt it.
Even if he did do you wanna pay Paul prices for it?

He didn't want out. He just wasn't taking shorts by taking the early extension and I don't blame him nor Klutch at all. I wish Dejounte nothing but success in ATL. Depends where Dejounte and the Spurs would have been at in two years whether I would have offered him the max deal he'd be seeking.

[gambit1990]

should've waited until during the season. just like with the kawhi trade...

[baseline bum]

Plus you had a solid draft I think immediate future is tough but down the road Im with Deeps gotta invest in a rebuild can’t pussy foot around and go for meaningless playoff berths.

Except they could have dumped Poetl and Keldon Johnson for picks and kept the one guy who was really hard to replace in Murray and still tanked, just like OKC is doing with SGA.

[slick'81]

Except they could have dumped Poetl and Keldon Johnson for picks and kept the one guy who was really hard to replace in Murray and still tanked, just like OKC is doing with SGA.


They dont want to win. Murray had to go

[stephen jackson]

Only reason I like this is cuz we did something lol so many years of nothing and now we have a trade a shitty trade but nonetheless a trade . And hopefully primo gets the starting phone job malaki the two vassal the three and sochan the 4

[gambit1990]

should've been DJ for nerlens noel + the knicks' three 2023 1st round picks.

[Joseph Kony]

should've been DJ for nerlens noel + the knicks' three 2023 1st round picks.
Arent all those all protected picks? what would be the point?

Also:

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[Killakobe81]

Well I don’t pretend to know more about your team than y’all…
Just providing a neutral perspective
I killed the Kawhi deal don’t feel that way about this one probably because DJ was nowhere close to healthy Kawhi.

[daslicer]

I have mixed feelings about this trade. On one hand I really enjoyed watching DJ play and was exciting about seeing what he would do this year for the Spurs. On the other hand, he wasn't a franchise player and would have taken up the Spurs cap for years to come if they maxed him out. Spurs could have ended up being thread mill team for the whole entire time he is here that once in while would get out of the first round. Going forward the way I judge this trade is going to be by seeing if DJ becomes a superstar or is he just a fringe all-star and what the Spurs get out of the Hawk picks.

[rascal]

And taking a shot at that 14% lotto ticket is still better than being stuck in the 8-11 seed purgatory that we've been in since Nephew left.

Even a top 5 pick would give us a better chance a grabbing our next franchise corner stone that we absolutely need to contend.

Murray off the team will also add value to the spurs own pick so that also has to be factored in with this trade.
Like you say even not getting the top pick the Spurs should have a shot at getting a great player with a higher upside to being a franchise changing player than Murray.

It really was a great trade for the Spurs in the long run.

If you're looking at it short sighted just this year coming up, yeah it's going to be a tough year but in the long run the Spurs are going to be better off and are going to come out ahead than if they kept Murray.

[99 Problems]

If the Spurs wind up winning the lottery next year, this will go down as one of the greatest trades in franchise history.

True and Pop coaching his last year with a team of kids will add to his legacy he leaves. The new coaching regime might luck into 18 seasons of a TD type talent. Would like to live long enough to watch all that unfold if it happens.

[widowmaker]

Hey who has BLM Lbtq boycott experience? Boycott they games nobody wants to see a bunch of has beens play on.

[heyheymymy]

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[scott]

James won’t be there in 24. They don’t have a pick to grab Bronny, and LeBron has said he’s playing with Bronny wherever he’s drafted. That will be next summer.

SO WE ARE TANKING FOR BRONNY!!!

[slick'81]

SO WE ARE TANKING FOR BRONNY!!!

and his youngest son

[Degoat]

All things being said it was a good deal pick wise, we got 3 picks plus a swap for DJ, that’s a lot of draft capital as is. Just sucks that this is the path the spurs are taking.

[kjhip1]

All things being said it was a good deal pick wise, we got 3 picks plus a swap for DJ, that’s a lot of draft capital as is. Just sucks that this is the path the spurs are taking.

Needed to happen at some point. If they trade Poetl and keldon, what’s the over/under on wins this next season? 15?

[slick'81]

Needed to happen at some point. If they trade Poetl and keldon, what’s the over/under on wins this next season? 15?

Sounds about right. They will still suckout loud with poodle but have no interest in paying him

[dbestpro]

I like the trade. The Spurs were not going to be in contention with Murray. He is a solid player but he does not make the players around him better. His outside shot is still iffy. The unprotected picks in the future could be spectacular. Most importantly, we need to see what Primo can do. Also, it makes me wonder if they might keep Walker now.

[spurspl]

patfo is so bad at trading, whats the strategy?? no hunter nor okongwu included...those picks wont be even close to lottery so chances of gettin wembanyama still low (at best 14%)

[DeRozan m8]

All things being said it was a good deal pick wise, we got 3 picks plus a swap for DJ, that’s a lot of draft capital as is. Just sucks that this is the path the spurs are taking.

What would you prefer?

Endless seasons finishing around 10-12?

Suck it up

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Btw, if anyone in Atlanta thinks they're getting a defensive stopper who can play off the ball on offense they'll be very disappointed. I'm sure their FO have an idea of how they'd want the fit to work but it's still weird, unless Trae turns into prime Steph.

[slick'81]

Btw, if anyone in Atlanta thinks they're getting a defensive stopper who can play off the ball on offense they'll be very disappointed. I'm sure their FO have an idea of how they'd want the fit to work but it's still weird, unless Trae turns into prime Steph.


They hve one of the best young backcourts in the league. Theyll be fine

[Sugus]

Sugus you havent posted in forever and that’s what you decided to post? Come on, man. I’m not nearly as attached as you think nor do I put too much effort into complaining about an outcome that’s out of my control.

Was starting to wonder if y'all were missing me :)

'twas just a joke, I know you're not attached to DJ like that, but still... The news immediately brought me back to those back-and-forths over "selling high" on DJ. Looks like the FO took my side on things after all... We'll see how it goes. I'm liking the trade thus far; people cliffhanging here is to be expected, but once the dust settles and people realize those ATL picks are all unprotected... And due in 5 years, which is a century in NBA times, they'll come around. Still, Onyeka would've been huge, especially in the event of trading Jak (which sucks almost as bad as losing DJ to me).

How're you feeling about this trade the morning after? I haven't sifted through the forums at all. No PC since moving to Europe, and idk when I'll get one. Hopefully before the season begins... I wanna see the Primo Show from the first row!

[KingKev]

^ the Primo Shit Show?

[Sugus]

^ the Primo Shit Show?

The SuperPrimo Show, I mean :smokin

It's a win-win situation. I don't expect Primo to excel or close to it at his role, which is perfect for losing games and getting that top pick. All folks crying in this thread (surprising to see after having put on the macho TankCrew personas; did y'all think a tank was gonna begin any other way?) don't realize that in a tank, the best asset is always going to be the team's own picks - which the Spurs are full of. The ATL picks are icing on the cake, a mere direction.

Also has to be said that the picks are much likelier to convey/be good than everyone's assuming. Where's all this confidence in ATL coming from? I don't see them being a top 3-4 team in the East even after this trade, and they've got very little capital to get better now. Not to mention what others have said about possible injuries, money issues with many young players looking to get paid in the next few years.... 5 years is a DAMN LONG time. Can't just judge the trade today (even though it's inevitable to do so) as if it's already settled.

Exciting, but trying times, for sure.

[KingKev]

The SuperPrimo Show, I mean :smokin

It's a win-win situation. I don't expect Primo to excel or close to it at his role, which is perfect for losing games and getting that top pick. All folks crying in this thread (surprising to see after having put on the macho TankCrew personas; did y'all think a tank was gonna begin any other way?) don't realize that in a tank, the best asset is always going to be the team's own picks - which the Spurs are full of. The ATL picks are icing on the cake, a mere direction.

Also has to be said that the picks are much likelier to convey/be good than everyone's assuming. Where's all this confidence in ATL coming from? I don't see them being a top 3-4 team in the East even after this trade, and they've got very little capital to get better now. Not to mention what others have said about possible injuries, money issues with many young players looking to get paid in the next few years.... 5 years is a DAMN LONG time. Can't just judge the trade today (even though it's inevitable to do so) as if it's already settled.

Exciting, but trying times, for sure.

Primo at PG is perfect tank commander but I’m not convinced we are tanking and I’m confident next season our pride alone will win us 5-10 more games because we refuse to properly tank. Those 5-10 games will once again cost us in lottery odds.

Frustrating time to be a Spurs fan. I’m okay with the losing but I think PATFO are fast becoming one of the worst frint offices in the league.

[Proxy]

glad they traded, never believed DJ and White were going to be part of an elite squad. DJ's all star season was overrated, just had the ball in his hands more with Demar gone

ST slitting their wrists per par

"I woulda traded DJ for Zion and signed KD in free agency" :cry

[widowmaker]

Is pop gonna rest healthy players? No

Are we gonna win more than 25 games with a roster full of healthy players? No

We're tanking, tbh.

Na man just another dumb move.

[playbonner15]

Read somewhere that Dejounte wont sign an extension, so Spurs traded him to a team that will can compete in the East, same thing they did for DWhite. What Spurs got is not good but I guess this season and the next is the start of the rebuilding phase

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I also love the unprotected picks and unprotected swap. That has a high chance of biting Atlanta in the ass later

[SpursBills]

All things considered it's not a bad trade. Dejounte is opting out in 2024 and entering UFA, so Hawks are basically giving up 3 picks and a pick swap for 2 years of Dejounte Murray at a below market rate contract. Nothing's stopping the Spurs, Hawks, or any other team from signing Dejounte in free agency in 2024 (he is definitely not extending) so it's not like the Hawks have any true advantage in resigning him at that time.

There are a lot of ways that those unprotected picks and pick swap can pay off. Trae Young can get injured sometime in that 3 year span. Atlanta might decide that Dejounte isn't worth paying 40 million a year or he decides to walk and head to LA with Lebron (or Seattle's expansion team?). Hawks ownership might decide to be cheap and not retain young talent. 3-5 years is a long time in the NBA. 3 years ago Orlando was the 7th seed in the east. Blazers were the 3rd seed in the west. 5 years ago Spurs were looking forward to another year in contention with star Kawhi Leonard and LMA with vets while the Rockets seemed like a juggernaut able to challenge GSW for the title.

[exstatic]

All things considered it's not a bad trade. Dejounte is opting out in 2024 and entering UFA, so Hawks are basically giving up 3 picks and a pick swap for 2 years of Dejounte Murray at a below market rate contract. Nothing's stopping the Spurs, Hawks, or any other team from signing Dejounte in free agency in 2024 (he is definitely not extending) so it's not like the Hawks have any true advantage in resigning him at that time.

There are a lot of ways that those unprotected picks and pick swap can pay off. Trae Young can get injured sometime in that 3 year span. Atlanta might decide that Dejounte isn't worth paying 40 million a year or he decides to walk and head to LA with Lebron (or Seattle's expansion team?). Hawks ownership might decide to be cheap and not retain young talent. 3-5 years is a long time in the NBA. 3 years ago Orlando was the 7th seed in the east. Blazers were the 3rd seed in the west. 5 years ago Spurs were looking forward to another year in contention with star Kawhi Leonard and LMA with vets while the Rockets seemed like a juggernaut able to challenge GSW for the title.

Dejounte hits the FA market in 2024, Collins in 2025, both unrestricted. Also, Collins is looking at a full season suspension if he pops positive for PEDs again. He’s already served a 25 gamer.

[KingKev]

Dejounte hits the FA market in 2024, Collins in 2025, both unrestricted. Also, Collins is looking at a full season suspension if he pops positive for PEDs again. He’s already served a 25 gamer.

it is 55 games for next strike but hopefully his trainer slips him some secret sauce

[duncan2150]

Per Keith Smith

"Contracts that became fully guaranteed yesterday:

Chimezie Metu - SAC
Max Strus - MIA
Gabe Vincent - MIA
Omer Yurtseven - MIA

Danilo Gallinari upped his guarantee amount to $11.5M-$12M and pushed his guarantee back as part of the trade between ATL and SAS."

[KingKev]

Reading Galo pushed his guarantee date back and the value of the guarantee to 11.5-12mm to help faciliTe deal. Smart move on his end.

suspect he is waived if that is true but can’t confirm from a legit source.

[KingKev]

Per Keith Smith

"Contracts that became fully guaranteed yesterday:

Chimezie Metu - SAC
Max Strus - MIA
Gabe Vincent - MIA
Omer Yurtseven - MIA

Danilo Gallinari upped his guarantee amount to $11.5M-$12M and pushed his guarantee back as part of the trade between ATL and SAS."

Beat me to it. So he gets waived and picks up another 2-5mm in free agency to play for a winning franchise. Well done.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Reading Galo pushed his guarantee date back and the value of the guarantee to 11.5-12mm to help faciliTe deal. Smart move on his end.

suspect he is waived if that is true but can’t confirm from a legit source.

that would be my thoughts too that he gets waived as soon as deal goes through

[KingKev]

that would be my thoughts too that he gets waived as soon as deal goes through

Makes sense for all parties.

[exstatic]

Makes sense for all parties.

If he didn’t agree, the deal would have fallen through, he would have been cut with only $5M to show. This is good for him, and the Spurs.

[rascal]

I also love the unprotected picks and unprotected swap. That has a high chance of biting Atlanta in the ass later

Agree
By what they are investing , Atlanta is playing this as Murray is a franchise type talent and the Spurs are not.

The Spurs evaluation is the correct one.

[Mr. Body]

Agree
By what they are investing , Atlanta is playing this as Murray is a franchise type talent and the Spurs are not.

The Spurs evaluation is the correct one.

Didn't Atlanta only trade two draft picks of their own?

[lefty]

:lol I was wondering why this forum was so slow. Now I understand.
Still on Slow-venian servers tbh

[lefty]

Will Dejounte keep his username? :lol

[BackHome]

God Damn 97, 039 Post Counts :wow Ya like the “Yoda” of Spurs Forum :worthy:

[YoungbuckMurray]

What are the protections on the hornets pick? I know it’s lottery protected, but what happens if they are in lottery?

[heyheymymy]

Spurs playing a few moves ahead as usual. Murray was a lot of fun to watch develop but I think this might be the epitome of riding that rocket to the moon and selling high at absolute peak. Brilliant move, the delayed gratification is going to hit like a ton of bricks down the line.

Started thinking about the play in game and how dusted SA got by NOLA. I mean that was Murray. He's the #1 guy and that was a huge chance to show what you got and Murray didn't get it done. I think front office made the decision that day.

Really grateful for Murray and glad he seems to be in a position to succeed now in ATL but hindsight may very well make SA look wise to cut the line now. Makes Spurs look like decent management to let Murray go compete too, bodes well for an already difficult destination for players to consider joining.

I also wonder if SA is just getting started, free agency starts tonight at what 6PM? Perhaps what is lost now will soon be made clear? Not calling any uncharacteristic big splash but Spurs could fill in some realistic pieces possibly? Tons of unloadable assets still. Or just deliberately suck for 23 draft which I'm cool with.

[heyheymymy]

What are the protections on the hornets pick? I know it’s lottery protected, but what happens if they are in lottery?

Kicks to 24 FRP then kicks to two 25 2nd rounders if it happens again

correct me if I'm wrong please

[Kurik]

What are the protections on the hornets pick? I know it’s lottery protected, but what happens if they are in lottery?

Top 16 2023, Top 14 2024, Top 14 2025. Basically the Hornets need to make the playoffs once in the next 3 years for the Spurs to get a first round pick otherwise it becomes two second round picks down the line.

[CGD]

What are the protections on the hornets pick? I know it’s lottery protected, but what happens if they are in lottery?

Here you go:

2023 first round draft pick from Charlotte -- protected for selections 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Charlotte has not conveyed a 1st round pick to [Spurs] by 2025, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to [Spurs]

[YoungbuckMurray]

Kicks to 24 FRP then kicks to two 25 2nd rounders if it happens again

correct me if I'm wrong please

again lottery protected in 24?

[rjv]

this is probably the best place to ask this again but fischer is reporting that the hawks are looking to expand this trade; does anyone have any more info on this?

[baseline bum]

Here you go:

2023 first round draft pick from Charlotte -- protected for selections 1-16 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Charlotte has not conveyed a 1st round pick to [Spurs] by 2025, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to [Spurs]

Ugh the chance it goes to two second picks is gross. Only guys the Spurs have drafted in the second round this century that they played much were Blair and Tre Jones.

[heyheymymy]

Devin Vassell led San Antonio with 23 points. Dejounte Murray had 16 points, but he went just 5 of 19 from the floor while being shadowed by Pelicans rookie defensive stopper Herb Jones.

Murray was 26% from the field, including 1/5 from 3PT. 5AST/2TO.

PATFO said pack your bags right then and there IMO.

[heyheymymy]

Sorry thanks for the clarification on the convoluted terms of the CHA 23 FRP everyone.

[rjv]

Ugh the chance it goes to two second picks is gross. Only guys the Spurs have drafted in the second round this century that they played much were Blair and Tre Jones.

i don't see the spurs picking up the hornets pick in 2023 but the hornets could be a playoff team in 2024 or 2025. the key is in the hornets managing to hold on to lamelo.

[BatManu20]

Hate that this dude was right all along tbh.

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[CGD]

Ugh the chance it goes to two second picks is gross. Only guys the Spurs have drafted in the second round this century that they played much were Blair and Tre Jones.

Yeah, not excellent but i think Clifford gets them to the playoffs once in next 3 years.

[CGD]

Hate that this dude was right all along tbh.

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Interesting if true. We do have cap space to absorb money ATL doesnt want back...

[KingKev]

Hate that this dude was right all along tbh.

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Can’t stand him but he was actually on point.

[heyheymymy]

Really grateful for Murray and glad he seems to be in a position to succeed now in ATL but hindsight may very well make SA look wise to cut the line now. Makes Spurs look like decent management to let Murray go compete too, bodes well for an already difficult destination for players to consider joining.

I also wonder if SA is just getting started, free agency starts tonight at what 6PM? Perhaps what is lost now will soon be made clear? Not calling any uncharacteristic big splash but Spurs could fill in some realistic pieces possibly? Tons of unloadable assets still. Or just deliberately suck for 23 draft which I'm cool with.

Relevant going into free agency and again, not calling any big splash or name brand acquisitions.

But if you are considering joining SA, you see when the team is done with you, they don't just dump you in ORL or some shithole situation. Pretty sterling reputation recently letting LMA go play where he wants, Helping DDR get into a decent situation, Forbes rings when Spurs dump, White goes immediately to the Finals, is a conf champ, when the Spurs get rid of guys they hook them up. Murray in a hot instagram city now, part of one of the best back courts in the league.

The message broadcasting loud and clear: Come play in SA, you're in good hands inbound and you're in good hands outbound.

Huge messaging when you are a shithole FA destination lol at least they have world class leadership, management and development, will treat you with respect no matter how long term your fit with the team is, and they have churros lol

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Needed to happen at some point. If they trade Poetl and keldon, what’s the over/under on wins this next season? 15?

Let's see how Primo plays as PG, and how these new guys play, but I'd predict 18-22 wins

[rjv]

Will Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) keep his username? :lol

i was wondering the same thing last night while reading one of his posts.

[RC_Drunkford]

Devin Vassell led San Antonio with 23 points. Dejounte Murray had 16 points, but he went just 5 of 19 from the floor while being shadowed by Pelicans rookie defensive stopper Herb Jones.

Murray was 26% from the field, including 1/5 from 3PT. 5AST/2TO.

PATFO said pack your bags right then and there IMO.

Murray was sick and missed the last games because of it. Thats not a fair assessment

[heyheymymy]

I mean Spurs now have three basically 3rd string PGs currently lol barring any upcoming FA moves. Their own 23 FRP could be quite valuable itself.

Would be awesome if they dumped more assets for stacks of FRPs, preferably 23 but I'm cool with a future stagger into 24, 25, etc

Let's flip this house.

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Murray was sick and missed the last games because of it. Thats not a fair assessment

True. But his defense was quite a disappointment this year. That's being fair.

[John B]

i was wondering the same thing last night while reading one of his posts.

Still probably in line at Altex after beating up his computer :pctoss

[baseline bum]

I mean Spurs now have three basically 3rd string PGs currently lol barring any upcoming FA moves. Their own 23 FRP could be quite valuable itself.

Would be awesome if they dumped more assets for stacks of FRPs, preferably 23 but I'm cool with a future stagger into 24, 25, etc

Let's flip this house.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzBxzvC6nV0

[heyheymymy]

Murray was sick and missed the last games because of it. Thats not a fair assessment

Indeed, that respiratory infection factors in. Good point and that def changes things, touche.

Abandoning that argument, still seems like front office just didn't think Murray was enough to put things over the top and I think that might end up being a decent gamble. ATL will be a good fit, Murray and Trae can cover up each other's weaknesses pretty well. But that doesn't mean it would back translate to anything the Spurs could've done with Murray.

[exstatic]

Kicks to 24 FRP then kicks to two 25 2nd rounders if it happens again

correct me if I'm wrong please

23, 1-16 protected, 24, 1-14 protected, 25 1-13 protected, after that, two seconds.

[CGD]

Interesting if true. We do have cap space to absorb money ATL doesnt want back...

This gets very interesting if ATL is going after Rudy.

ATL: Rudy; Connolly
UTH: Collins; Huerter; Capella

Then, I can see Utah routing Mike Connolly to San Antonio for some additional consideration

[exstatic]

This gets very interesting if ATL is going after Rudy.

ATL: Rudy; Connolly
UTH: Collins; Huerter; Capella

Then, I can see Utah routing Mike Connolly to San Antonio for some additional consideration

No. No veterans on big contracts. Let ATL move whoever they want between themselves and a 3rd team. We don’t need to be involved. Connolly is what timvp calls a floor raiser. We don’t need those. Here’s the deal. Players going out, picks coming back. Players coming in, WITH picks, only. That’s all we need to do.

[KingKev]

No. No veterans on big contracts. Let ATL move whoever they want between themselves and a 3rd team. We don’t need to be involved. Connolly is what timvp calls a floor raiser. We don’t need those. Here’s the deal. Players going out, picks coming back. Players coming in, WITH picks, only. That’s all we need to do.

So this where PATFO shows their cards regarding their intent in trading DJ and their goals for the short to mediumfuture. I’m not convinced they aren’t still going to put together a team they perceive as a playoff threat next season. ESPECIALLY since Pop still has input; he does not give AF about leaving this team on solid footing after he leaves.

[lmbebo]

https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1542530386982584321?s=20&t=LXwpCRCB8Tkt6cXU5cI1Ew

[mo7888]

No. No veterans on big contracts. Let ATL move whoever they want between themselves and a 3rd team. We don’t need to be involved. Connolly is what timvp calls a floor raiser. We don’t need those. Here’s the deal. Players going out, picks coming back. Players coming in, WITH picks, only. That’s all we need to do.

I think that's what he meant...additional consideration to us for taking Conley and buying him out...

Although I don't think I'm in favor of that particular deal specifically...

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1542530386982584321?s=20&t=LXwpCRCB8Tkt6cXU5cI1Ew

Could that mean something for the spurs ?

[mo7888]

Could that mean something for the spurs ?

It could definitely expand to a 3 or 4 team deal with us sending more out or taking back more salary and receiving more picks..

[CGD]

I think that's what he meant...additional consideration to us for taking Conley and buying him out...

Although I don't think I'm in favor of that particular deal specifically...

Precisely. UTH or ATL (they can sort out who) has to send us something else to rent the space, e.g., a Utah protected pick, etc. I mean that's what we're talking about the spurs doing after this trade, right?

Two benefits of Connolly specifically:
(1) hes partially guaranteed next year which cold have value at the deadline;
(2) hes a character guy for the youngster to look up too.

[cd98]

Precisely. UTH or ATL (they can sort out who) has to send us something else to rent the space, e.g., a Utah protected pick, etc. I mean that's what we're talking about the spurs doing after this trade, right?

Two benefits of Connolly specifically:
(1) hes partially guaranteed next year which cold have value at the deadline;
(2) hes a character guy for the youngster to look up too.


Conley would hate coming here. He is at the end of his career and wants to play for a title. And do we want an old veteran here taking up any minutes that should go to our younger players? If he was traded here, he'd be bought out. No need for him.

[jiggy_55]

Jock Landale is going to Atlanta as part of the trade...

[jiggy_55]

Jock Landale is heading to ATL as part of the deal

[Chinook]

Ah. That should allow the trade to go through before the moratorium. The Spurs can combine to make the salary, but ATL doesn't have to. Wonder why they wanted to get it done now when they've obviously already passed the deadline. I could see them wanting to reroute Gallo early, but where? Or maybe they wanted to make sure the Hawks couldn't change their minds.

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[skin27]

Finally we can tank

[Mugen]

Happy they completed the deal before the KD stuff came out tbh.

[BatManu20]

:cry

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[playbonner15]

:cry

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Would love to see how this Trae + Dejounte backcourt will deal with Miami / Boston / MIL

[InRareForm]

Miles bridges arrest not going to help them Mae the playoffs

[slick'81]

Miles bridges arrest not going to help them Mae the playoffs

the hornets pick is beyond shitty

[Darius Bieber]

Man the Spurs really absolute suck making trades. Jazz effectively got 5 first round picks for Gobert, we effectively only got 2.

[Darius Bieber]

Even worse, all four of the picks have no or minimum protections. The 2029 pick is Top 5 protected, but the 2023, 2025, and 2027 pick are unprotected.

Gobert was on a max contract and Murray was on a team-friendly deal. Murray's trade value should have been way higher than the haul we got.

And Jazz got the 2022 First Round Pick from the Wolves as well.

[slick'81]

Man the Spurs really absolute suck making trades. Jazz effectively got 5 first round picks for Gobert, we effectively only got 2.

seriously ,its two late teens to twenties picks from atl and a swap. The hornets pick being 1-16 protected is beyond ridiculous

[Sugus]

Man the Spurs really absolute suck making trades. Jazz effectively got 5 first round picks for Gobert, we effectively only got 2.

Man, it's almost like different players have different values and returns on the trade market. Who would've thought that a first-time, fringe All-Star isn't perceived as valuable as a 4x All NBA, 3xDPOY player?!

Also :lol already dismissing the picks and assuming their place already, 3+ years before time. Have you been keeping up with the league these past few years? 3-5 years might as well be a billion. We know jack shit about how the Hawks will look like when those picks are due, swap included.

[John B]

Man, it's almost like different players have different values and returns on the trade market. Who would've thought that a first-time, fringe All-Star isn't perceived as valuable as a 4x All NBA, 3xDPOY player?!

Also :lol already dismissing the picks and assuming their place already, 3+ years before time. Have you been keeping up with the league these past few years? 3-5 years might as well be a billion. We know jack shit about how the Hawks will look like when those picks are due, swap included.
Sugus happy to see you posting again man :bobo

[Sugus]

Sugus happy to see you posting again man :bobo

Happy to be back, my man! I'll be lurking mostly though, until I get a computer at least. I moved all the way to Europe and it's been a damn hectic month.

The season hasn't even started and I'm already mourning over the fact that I'm closer to BillMc's 3am tipoff timezone than ever before... But fucking up your sleeping schedule to follow your team is par for the course in sports fandom, I'm ready. Gimme some PRIMO TIME! :hungry:

[BillMc]

But fucking up your sleeping schedule to follow your team is par for the course in sports fandom, I'm ready. Gimme some PRIMO TIME! :hungry:

Amen, bro! The hardcore will be here at 3 AM during the tanking years! (Though maybe not every night! :lol)

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Amen, bro! The hardcore will be here at 3 AM during the tanking years! (Though maybe not every night! :lol)

You been to Lithuania, (Vilnius specifically)? Figured you must have ventured near there if you are in Riga, Latvia, right?

My grandfather was from there and I've always wanted to visit.

If so, is it a cool place to visit?

[BillMc]

You been to Lithuania, (Vilnius specifically)? Figured you must have ventured near there if you are in Riga, Latvia, right?

My grandfather was from there and I've always wanted to visit.

If so, is it a cool place to visit?

I have been to Vilnius twice! Great city. I love it. By coincidence I am going there for three days next week to check out the artist colony in one section of the city.

Cool that your grandfather was from there!

[John B]

Happy to be back, my man! I'll be lurking mostly though, until I get a computer at least. I moved all the way to Europe and it's been a damn hectic month.

The season hasn't even started and I'm already mourning over the fact that I'm closer to BillMc (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16431)'s 3am tipoff timezone than ever before... But fucking up your sleeping schedule to follow your team is par for the course in sports fandom, I'm ready. Gimme some PRIMO TIME! :hungry:

I’m with you on Primo as what Timvp reported the PATFO see he’s improved so much. And BW has done a great job on the draft as what this team needs. So stoked!

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I have been to Vilnius twice! Great city. I love it. By coincidence I am going there for three days next week to check out the artist colony in one section of the city.

Cool that your grandfather was from there!

Sweet. Let me know if you have any recommendations on lodging, food, must sees, after you finish your visit.

[BillMc]

Sweet. Let me know if you have any recommendations on lodging, food, must sees, after you finish your visit.

Will do!:toast

[toki9]

Here are Murray related reporting from the Athletic’s story on Murray’s intro presser for those interested:

“• Murray said he’s been talking to Young for roughly two to three weeks about the possibility of teaming up. “He wanted it as much as I wanted it,” Murray said.
• It also seems like the Hawks were the only team Murray wanted to join, even though the Knicks and Timberwolves were also reportedly inquiring. “I feel like if it wasn’t Atlanta, I would still be in San Antonio. Atlanta is the place I wanted to be. I’m excited to be here,” he said.
• At one point during his news conference, Murray said the trade conversations were “mutual.” The Athletic followed up with Murray and directly asked if he requested a trade, but he didn’t give a firm response. He only said the Spurs wanted to see him on a bigger stage as they enter a rebuilding period.
• When asked after the news conference during a one-on-one with The Athletic if he will sign an extension this offseason, Murray was noncommittal.”