View Full Version : Reports: USC, UCLA planning to leave Pac-12 for Big Ten
I find it kind of sad actually. Money continuing to ruin college sports.
USC and UCLA are planning to leave the Pac-12 for the Big Ten, Jon Wilner of the San Jose Mercury News is reporting. According to Wilner, arguably the most plugged-in reporter on the Pac-12, the move could come to fruition as early as 2024 but “has not been finalized at the highest levels of power.”
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/sports/reports-usc-ucla-planning-to-leave-pac-12-for-big-ten-174647901.html
Blake
06-30-2022, 02:05 PM
Yeah that's been simmering for a while for USC but surprised about UCLA. Thought maybe it would be Oregon.
I wonder now if the big 12 tries to merge with the PAC leftovers
Yeah that's been simmering for a while for USC but surprised about UCLA. Thought maybe it would be Oregon.
I wonder now if the big 12 tries to merge with the PAC leftovers
It might try I'm not sure PAC would bite on that though.
FrostKing
06-30-2022, 02:35 PM
Wonder if this opens the door for a SDSU to join Pac. But we are also 1 step closer to scrapping Conferences and going Super League.
Network money/greed ruined the sport.
Blake
06-30-2022, 03:07 PM
It might try I'm not sure PAC would bite on that though.
PAC was hoping for a merger with the big 10, iirc.
Since that doesn't seem like it's gonna happen, it might move PAC to desperation mode to get that big 12 time zone
Blake
06-30-2022, 03:12 PM
Then again, the PAC doesn't want byu...
PAC was hoping for a merger with the big 10, iirc.
Since that doesn't seem like it's gonna happen, it might move PAC to desperation mode to get that big 12 time zone
I'm not sure they want the Big 12 time zone or vice versa. Who in Texas wants to see games starting at 9:30PM?
Blake
06-30-2022, 08:22 PM
I'm not sure they want the Big 12 time zone or vice versa. Who in Texas wants to see games starting at 9:30PM?
I basically meant the Texas TV market. PAC has wanted Texas markets for a long time.
spurs1990
06-30-2022, 08:38 PM
Evidently Oregon and Washington have applied to the Big10. Stanford and Cal should be next. Pac is dead.
So many questions remain. Who does the SEC grab to get to the same member count as the Big10.
What happens in the XII - do they start inviting the Arizonas, Colorado, and Utahs of the world?
Unless your favorite team is left in the wind, this is an exciting time for college football
FrostKing
06-30-2022, 09:49 PM
Evidently Oregon and Washington have applied to the Big10. Stanford and Cal should be next. Pac is dead.
So many questions remain. Who does the SEC grab to get to the same member count as the Big10.
What happens in the XII - do they start inviting the Arizonas, Colorado, and Utahs of the world?
Unless your favorite team is left in the wind, this is an exciting time for college football
Really? Combined with the NIL circus, this is just a NFL developmental league now. Gone is the rivalries, the pageantry and history. No wonder student attendance to games is down. At that point why not watch the USFL instead of 18-22 year olds that are glorified paid professionals.
FrostKing
06-30-2022, 09:52 PM
Furthermore after the SuperLeagues are created and they expand the Playoff to 12-16 teams we will be gifted a Champion that lost 1/4 of their games. Gone is the mystique of the Perfect Season
FrostKing
06-30-2022, 09:56 PM
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Blake
06-30-2022, 10:20 PM
Really? Combined with the NIL circus, this is just a NFL developmental league now. Gone is the rivalries, the pageantry and history. No wonder student attendance to games is down. At that point why not watch the USFL instead of 18-22 year olds that are glorified paid professionals.
C'mon I can't wait to see the hated rivalry of USC and Rutgers continue to develop now they're in the same conference
Blake
06-30-2022, 10:23 PM
Yeah PAC is dead. All the AAU schools from the PAC will beg the big ten for acceptance. The rest will probably merge with the big 12 I'd guess. The PAC will become the new WAC.
Just guesses on my part. Plenty of scenarios that can play out
FrostKing
07-01-2022, 02:56 AM
For a sport such as basketball. How are these "student"-athletes going to attend class while traveling cross country every week :lol
Yeah PAC is dead. All the AAU schools from the PAC will beg the big ten for acceptance. The rest will probably merge with the big 12 I'd guess. The PAC will become the new WAC.
Just guesses on my part. Plenty of scenarios that can play out
If the Pac-12 loses Washington, Oregon, Cal and Stanford, then I think Arizona schools might look to the Big 12 at that point.
leemajors
07-01-2022, 09:26 AM
Really? Combined with the NIL circus, this is just a NFL developmental league now. Gone is the rivalries, the pageantry and history. No wonder student attendance to games is down. At that point why not watch the USFL instead of 18-22 year olds that are glorified paid professionals.
The rivalries definitely aren't gone. The NCAA made its bed and now they have to live with the consequences. They could have evolved, but tried to fight it out like stubborn boomers unable to relinquish control and got beaten in court. Universities cared more about selling boxes and expensive tickets close to the field than having student sections right next to the field - UT just moved theirs back down on the field a couple years ago.
Blake
07-01-2022, 10:42 AM
If the Pac-12 loses Washington, Oregon, Cal and Stanford, then I think Arizona schools might look to the Big 12 at that point.
Yeah, I mean basically whoever doesn't get in to the big ten will take a good look at the big 12.
And the Arizona schools make perfect sense for basketball especially
FrostKing
07-01-2022, 02:15 PM
The rivalries definitely aren't gone. The NCAA made its bed and now they have to live with the consequences. They could have evolved, but tried to fight it out like stubborn boomers unable to relinquish control and got beaten in court. Universities cared more about selling boxes and expensive tickets close to the field than having student sections right next to the field - UT just moved theirs back down on the field a couple years ago.
In terms of rivalries. Right now maybe a dozen of the Big powers aren't yet affected. But this will change as SEC/B1G continue to expand. It won't make logistic sense nor be competitively fair to keep schedules/opponents as they were/are.
What do USC, Ohio State and Nebraska have in common. Might as well scrap the Bowls too. Seeing these regional powers face off only in Bowl season was the charm.
Now the other 75% of CFB that we grew up with and know - already affected. The sport is becoming a generic random product. This works for the NFL only because it is the #1 talent for American Football.
Your point is true. But I am neither student, wealthy coach or official. Just a neutral fan and nearly every change I've seen in CFB over the past 20 years has been bad. Is it becoming more financially fair - I guess you could say so but I guarantee ratings will continue to fall.
There is nothing left beyond paid 18-22 year olds wearing a colored uniform. They might try and still package and sell us history but only a fool would buy it.
Blake
07-01-2022, 02:34 PM
Lol bowl games are just exhibition games, nothing more. I'm totally fine with scrapping at least 15 of the lower bowls and expand the playoffs.
The differences still between college and pro are that 100% of the players decide where they want to go along with pageantry, lively marching bands and student sections.
FrostKing
07-01-2022, 02:47 PM
Lol bowl games are just exhibition games, nothing more. I'm totally fine with scrapping at least 15 of the lower bowls and expand the playoffs.
The differences still between college and pro are that 100% of the players decide where they want to go along with pageantry, lively marching bands and student sections.
But see that wasn't the case before. Bowls becoming an exhibition was the byproduct of bad decisions.
The portal made recruiting obsolete. If you fail to sign that recruit then find a transfer. And if you successfully signed a top recruit, enjoy losing him this offseason.
They should have left the sport alone and now it has truly become nothing more than a business. From the top to bottom. No allegiance but to the $$$.
The Playoff, the portal, NIL and now superleagues. RIP CFB.
leemajors
07-01-2022, 02:55 PM
In terms of rivalries. Right now maybe a dozen of the Big powers aren't yet affected. But this will change as SEC/B1G continue to expand. It won't make logistic sense nor be competitively fair to keep schedules/opponents as they were/are.
What do USC, Ohio State and Nebraska have in common. Might as well scrap the Bowls too. Seeing these regional powers face off only in Bowl season was the charm.
Now the other 75% of CFB that we grew up with and know - already affected. The sport is becoming a generic random product. This works for the NFL only because it is the #1 talent for American Football.
Your point is true. But I am neither student, wealthy coach or official. Just a neutral fan and nearly every change I've seen in CFB over the past 20 years has been bad. Is it becoming more financially fair - I guess you could say so but I guarantee ratings will continue to fall.
There is nothing left beyond paid 18-22 year olds wearing a colored uniform. They might try and still package and sell us history but only a fool would buy it.
The players were always getting paid, it's just more out in the open now.
Things always change, they never revert to the way things were. The SWC was around for 82 years, and was then gone. UT and OU have only been in the same conference for 26 years, and it never affected their rivalry over the last 93 years.
The only thing that will drive fans and viewers away is if the games are bad. If USC, OSU and Nebraska have good games people will tune in, and new rivalries can always form, especially if the games are close and competitive. If the games are good between the teams, people will watch.
It will definitely be messy as this all shakes out, and there will definitely be some issues with two mega conferences like the SEC and BigWhatever vs the rest, but we will see what happens.
FrostKing
07-01-2022, 02:57 PM
Bottomline: since they are now both entitled rich assholes. I rather save my TV viewing for only Sunday...
FrostKing
07-01-2022, 03:00 PM
The players were always getting paid, it's just more out in the open now.
Things always change, they never revert to the way things were. The SWC was around for 82 years, and was then gone. UT and OU have only been in the same conference for 26 years, and it never affected their rivalry over the last 93 years.
The only thing that will drive fans and viewers away is if the games are bad. If USC, OSU and Nebraska have good games people will tune in, and new rivalries can always form, especially if the games are close and competitive. If the games are good between the teams, people will watch.
It will definitely be messy as this all shakes out, and there will definitely be some issues with two mega conferences like the SEC and BigWhatever vs the rest, but we will see what happens.
That's fair. Didn't see your post before I made my last one.
I think they eventually just move to 2-16 team Conferences. Then NFL type Playoff. Too much money in the picture to not.
Blake
07-01-2022, 03:00 PM
But see that wasn't the case before. Bowls becoming an exhibition was the byproduct of bad decisions.
The portal made recruiting obsolete. If you fail to sign that recruit then find a transfer. And if you successfully signed a top recruit, enjoy losing him this offseason.
They should have left the sport alone and now it has truly become nothing more than a business. From the top to bottom. No allegiance but to the $$$.
The Playoff, the portal, NIL and now superleagues. RIP CFB.
Huh? Bowl games have always been just exhibition games.
Blake
07-01-2022, 03:00 PM
But see that wasn't the case before. Bowls becoming an exhibition was the byproduct of bad decisions.
The portal made recruiting obsolete. If you fail to sign that recruit then find a transfer. And if you successfully signed a top recruit, enjoy losing him this offseason.
They should have left the sport alone and now it has truly become nothing more than a business. From the top to bottom. No allegiance but to the $$$.
The Playoff, the portal, NIL and now superleagues. RIP CFB.
Huh? Bowl games have always been just exhibition games.
Blake
07-01-2022, 03:03 PM
Bottomline: since they are now both entitled rich assholes. I rather save my TV viewing for only Sunday...
In a weird way, the uneven playing field in college football between teams makes the upset way more delicious.
There are also a lot more different fun offenses to watch in college football vs the pros, imo
leemajors
07-01-2022, 03:28 PM
Huh? Bowl games have always been just exhibition games.
I am guessing he is thinking of the BCS? There are way too many bowls now tbh
Which conference is more likely to loot the other? Pac-12 or Big-12.
Blake
07-02-2022, 12:54 AM
Which conference is more likely to loot the other? Pac-12 or Big-12.
Good question. I can't understand why the big ten stopped at just USC and UCLA tho. Maybe they aren't done and a few more go.
And now with those two gone, why would any big 12 want to move west? I can't see Tech leaving at this point. I can see the Arizona schools and maybe Colorado joining up.
Maybe the PAC just adds Boise and San Diego St and that's that.
FrostKing
07-02-2022, 01:05 AM
Huh? Bowl games have always been just exhibition games.
It's all relative. Today guys sit out regular season games. In the past winning a marquee bowl game meant your program would be ranked higher in the preseason polls. Building a foundation that would be passed onto the next Class was treasured.
The 2000s was the heyday. Each region had a powerhouse and trash talk was immense. There was Conference pride which centered on the specific regions. AND each region played its own style which was dependent on what skillet the region was rich in.
Those days had so much more depth compared to today's simplistic approach. They should just go all the way and have a CFB draft and Pro Bowl :lol
FrostKing
07-02-2022, 01:09 AM
Which conference is more likely to loot the other? Pac-12 or Big-12.
Pac10 says they will try to expand first
B1G is waiting on Notre Dame before they add another school.
ACC should probably go full basketball and try adding some of the strong Bball teams from the Big12.
So I think Pac10 has a better chance of surviving.
Current issue: you have Conferences being poached while the Big10 and SEC still contain some crappy CFB programs. So we are still stuck in a transition.
And the big point in all this is TV markets. ESPN (SEC) snagged Texas and OU and now Fox (B1G) countered with SC and UCLA
Blake
07-02-2022, 01:30 PM
Pac10 says they will try to expand first
B1G is waiting on Notre Dame before they add another school.
ACC should probably go full basketball and try adding some of the strong Bball teams from the Big12.
So I think Pac10 has a better chance of surviving.
Current issue: you have Conferences being poached while the Big10 and SEC still contain some crappy CFB programs. So we are still stuck in a transition.
And the big point in all this is TV markets. ESPN (SEC) snagged Texas and OU and now Fox (B1G) countered with SC and UCLA
Could definitely see Kansas leaving for the acc or big ten
FrostKing
07-02-2022, 02:16 PM
Could definitely see Kansas leaving for the acc or big ten
Red Raiders should also join ACC and roundball
Blake
07-02-2022, 06:20 PM
Red Raiders should also join ACC and roundball
ACC doesn't want Tech but nice thought
FrostKing
07-03-2022, 07:11 AM
I remember in the 90s the Big10 and SEC were run over
FrostKing
07-03-2022, 07:13 AM
Networks > pure talent
FSU & Miami still smoke you
AFBlue
07-03-2022, 09:37 AM
The Big 12 just got a new commissioner who is known for being innovative and aggressive. I assume they'll work aggressively to add at least two schools from the PAC (Arizona and Utah?) to further destabilize the conference. It's what the PAC should've done months back to kill the Big 12. Don't think the Big 12 will make the same mistake.
Blake
07-04-2022, 02:04 PM
If Oregon and Washington don't get an invite to the big ten, then the best thing that could happen for both conferences would be to do what the Big 8 and SWC conference did:
Dissolve both, form a new one together and take the best 16 schools.
Blake
07-04-2022, 02:06 PM
Next best thing would be for the big 12 to grab Arizona, Utah and Colorado but it wouldn't move the TV contract needle much.
playblair
07-05-2022, 01:32 PM
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Really? Combined with the NIL circus, this is just a NFL developmental league now. Gone is the rivalries, the pageantry and history. No wonder student attendance to games is down. At that point why not watch the USFL instead of 18-22 year olds that are glorified paid professionals.
i tend to agree. while i was on board for players getting financially compensated, an unfettered NIL is going to wreak havoc on even those teams that manage to survive this mass migration to the super conferences. programs like UTSA will have to figure out how to stay relevant in an increasingly semi-pro college football world. it's just becoming all too corporate.
Blake
07-05-2022, 04:19 PM
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6 is new. I thought it was 4.
If the big 12 can get 6 that's the ticket for the them.
Too bad they can't figure a way to merge. Would love to see Stanford get in too.
Blake
07-05-2022, 04:20 PM
i tend to agree. while i was on board for players getting financially compensated, an unfettered NIL is going to wreak havoc on even those teams that manage to survive this mass migration to the super conferences. programs like UTSA will have to figure out how to stay relevant in an increasingly semi-pro college football world. it's just becoming all too corporate.
Just wild free agency like MLB where the Yankees are a power house nearly every year
Blake
07-05-2022, 04:38 PM
Weird that Stanford has more tv value too according to reports I've seen.
I'm betting if ND somehow agrees to join big ten, then Stanford is next.
leemajors
07-06-2022, 08:04 AM
Just wild free agency like MLB where the Yankees are a power house nearly every year
It has been 13 years since they won a Series. For some reason I thought it hadn't been that long.
Blake
07-06-2022, 09:44 AM
It has been 13 years since they won a Series. For some reason I thought it hadn't been that long.
I wouldn't have guessed 13 either
Blake
07-17-2022, 12:04 PM
Each remaining Pac-12 team’s desirability rating according to Sports Illustrated
https://sports.yahoo.com/remaining-pac-12-team-desirability-153047662.html
Each remaining Pac-12 team’s desirability rating according to Sports Illustrated
https://sports.yahoo.com/remaining-pac-12-team-desirability-153047662.html
IMO, Oregon is the most desirable of the teams there -- ahead of Washington but just barely. I'm curious how big the Big XII would be willing to go if all those Pac-12 teams were willing to join, hypothetically at least.
Blake
07-19-2022, 10:26 AM
IMO, Oregon is the most desirable of the teams there -- ahead of Washington but just barely. I'm curious how big the Big XII would be willing to go if all those Pac-12 teams were willing to join, hypothetically at least.
I think the biggest obvious factor is tv market.
Winehole23
11-14-2023, 11:31 PM
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pgardn
11-15-2023, 08:28 AM
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The real interest from a football perspective is how so many healthy West Coast teams will compete in a geographically separated conference. Same for the current Big 10 teams. Imo the networks, FOX, CBS took a bit of a money risk here. The networks really helped call the shots for the Big 10 on this realignment.
The UT and OU to the SEC was more reasonable as it is clearly about money. Playing Baylor, TCU, T Tech, Houston to much smaller crowds and less interest is a no brainer. The in State interest was large but had little National draw. Texas has too many power 5 teams. Especially considering how popular OU is with the more Northern parts of Texas and the middle of the country, ex Missouri.
College football has never been a fair fight from a competition point of view. There is no draft. Alumni socioeconomic status and sheer number rules in the money game. Its semi pro football played purposely unevenly, just like soccer. You got money and history, you got more of a chance to win. Occasionally teams like Oregon and Oklahoma st. will make forays into the blue blood line with billionaire alumni. Much of the attraction was actually generated by David slaying Goliath on occasion. Texas Tech slaying ATM on a fairly consistent basis in the Big 12. Iowa St and TCU hammering UT.
The other sports is what I pity. They get driven into awkward conferences. Sports like wrestling and baseball have a very regional flair. UT does not have wrestling. USC does not have wrestling. I dont recall Wisconsin being known for its fine baseball teams edit (they dont have a baseball team anymore). Really awkward stuff for the other sports. just a few ex in the aforementioned.
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