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Nbadan
11-30-2005, 04:30 AM
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Foreign fighter jets performed well against F-16s in recent exercises.
By Scott Baldauf | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor


NEW DELHI – Mingling over a few rounds of golf, dogfighting a bit over the jungles of West Bengal - this month's Cope India 2005 war games were billed as a standard two-week exercise between Indian and American top guns.

But in website chat rooms devoted to the arcania of fighter aircraft, there was a buzz. Arre, wa! Oh, wow! Had the Indian Air Force beat the Americans?

Not exactly, according to observers and participants. The exercises had mixed teams of Indian and American pilots on both sides, which means that both the Americans and the Indians won, and lost. Yet, observers say that in a surprising number of encounters - particularly between the American F-16s and the Indian Sukhoi-30 MKIs - the Indian pilots came out the winners.

"Since the cold war, there has been the general assumption that India is a third-world country with Soviet technology, and wherever the Soviet-supported equipment went, it didn't perform well," says Jasjit Singh, a retired air commodore and now director of the Center for Air Power Studies in New Delhi. "That myth has been blown out by the results" of these air exercises.

CS Monitor (http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1128/p01s04-wosc.html?s=u2)

Mr. Defense
11-30-2005, 04:35 AM
well good for india. :tu

i'm more concerned with the nuclear capabilities of these countries though.

i'm sure you understand. :tu

Aggie Hoopsfan
11-30-2005, 08:02 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaat? Did you have a point with this Dan, or just happy that you found some other way to say America sucks? :lol

F-16s? Those jets are two generations old, the Su-30 is one of Russia's newest designs.

Seriously, if they had done well head to head against an F-15, or an F-22, color me worried.

This is like saying a Porsche 911 smokes a model T Ford and pointing to it as progress. Duh.

hussker
12-01-2005, 05:49 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaat? Did you have a point with this Dan, or just happy that you found some other way to say America sucks? :lol

F-16s? Those jets are two generations old, the Su-30 is one of Russia's newest designs.

Seriously, if they had done well head to head against an F-15, or an F-22, color me worried.

This is like saying a Porsche 911 smokes a model T Ford and pointing to it as progress. Duh.

DITTO: Of couse, in a dogfight involving BFM/ACM the F-15 Likely loses, but...The Su-30 will more likely be dead from a BVR strike before beak to beak engagement and tally on the Eagle.

Mr. Peabody
12-01-2005, 05:55 PM
Dammit, the U.S. stinks. I am rooting for India now!

Oh, Gee!!
12-01-2005, 06:14 PM
I have an Indian friend. True story.

Marklar MM
12-01-2005, 06:27 PM
F/A-22 RAPTOR baby.

Manu'sMagicalLeftHand
12-01-2005, 06:40 PM
http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/silver/384/military/su30.jpg

That has to be one of the worst camouflages ever. Do they really paint the planes in those colours?

Mr. Peabody
12-01-2005, 06:53 PM
I have an Indian friend. True story.

Is he an American-Indian or an Indian-American?

Oh, Gee!!
12-01-2005, 07:39 PM
Is he an American-Indian or an Indian-American?

neither. he's from pakistan

Spurs košarka kultura
12-01-2005, 09:25 PM
http://www.fighter-planes.com/full/f22.jpg

Problem solved

Aggie Hoopsfan
12-02-2005, 12:22 AM
DITTO: Of couse, in a dogfight involving BFM/ACM the F-15 Likely loses, but...The Su-30 will more likely be dead from a BVR strike before beak to beak engagement and tally on the Eagle.


Actually the F-15 smokes the F-16 head to head, so I like the 15's chances against the Mig.


That has to be one of the worst camouflages ever. Do they really paint the planes in those colours?


That is a show plane, those are India's national colors.

http://www.southasianmedia.net/images/india-flag.gif

Manu'sMagicalLeftHand
12-02-2005, 01:17 AM
Actually the F-15 smokes the F-16 head to head, so I like the 15's chances against the Mig.



That is a show plane, those are India's national colors.

http://www.southasianmedia.net/images/india-flag.gif

I knew those were the Hindu flag colours, what I didn't know was that it was a show plane, thanks.

Vashner
12-02-2005, 01:51 AM
It's just an exercise anyway. In combat the F16 is still like 70+ splash to Zero losses.

I helped design the combat edge G-force protection system for crew, ACES ejection system, and other things still used today in F16's (unclassified). Work done here in town at Brooks and a couple other remote locals. And am damn proud of it