View Full Version : Russell Westbrook TO SPURS?
exstatic
07-18-2022, 10:01 PM
This IS from that mediot Chris Haynes…
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-lebron-james-russell-westbrook-and-anthony-davis-commit-to-making-lakers-big-3-work-220405319.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-lebron-james-russell-westbrook-and-anthony-davis-commit-to-making-lakers-big-3-work-220405319.html)
The Los Angeles Lakers (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/la-lakers/)’ Big 3 of LeBron James (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3704/), Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4390/) huddled up on a phone conversation the first weekend of NBA Summer League in Las Vegas with each expressing their commitment to one another and vowing to make it work, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
While the uncertainty of Westbrook’s future with the Lakers remains, the conversation was organized to make sure all three were on the same page as long as they’re joined together in their pursuit of a championship, sources said.
Westbrook has never requested a trade from the Lakers, sources said.
He fired his agent that he’s had his whole career, because said agent wanted him to stay in LA.
exstatic
07-18-2022, 10:05 PM
This year will be different. Last year they were close enough to a play in game.
Pop will sit players this year because the spurs won't be anywhere near a play in game.
People thought we’d win 15 games without DeRozan last year, too. Vegas is only interested in even money on both sides, but an actual valid knifes edge O/U is probably 31.5.
KingKev
07-18-2022, 10:10 PM
I presume it was after this phone call Russ and LBJ didn’t acknowledge each other while attending the same summer league game.
It is in the Lakers best interest to make that troika work as no one wants Russ… but you are fooling yourself if you think things are sunny in LaLa Land and this report probably means dilly . We should all know these three guys are disingenuous at the best of times.
I also don’t think there is a >10% a deal for Russ goes down and we are involved. Lakers have to give two FRPs with little
protection to get a Kyrie trade done.
tbdog
07-18-2022, 10:40 PM
I presume it was after this phone call Russ and LBJ didn’t acknowledge each other while attending the same summer league game.
It is in the Lakers best interest to make that troika work as no one wants Russ… but you are fooling yourself if you think things are sunny in LaLa Land and this report probably means dilly . We should all know these three guys are disingenuous at the best of times.
I also don’t think there is a >10% a deal for Russ goes down and we are involved. Lakers have to give two FRPs with little
protection to get a Kyrie trade done.
One to nets and one to spurs. I assume spurs would say yes, if they can manage cash incentives as well. But nets probably say no? They'll want a contract back, like Poeltl or Richardson or both, and have no interest in THT or McDermott.
Uriel
07-19-2022, 12:19 AM
It's funny how Westbrook has garnered a reputation for being low IQ. He actually garnered a 3.9 GPA in high school and was admitted into Stanford. He ultimately chose UCLA because they offered him an athletic scholarship, while Stanford did not.
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07-19-2022, 12:27 AM
It's funny how Westbrook has garnered a reputation for being low IQ. He actually garnered a 3.9 GPA in high school and was admitted into Stanford. He ultimately chose UCLA because they offered him an athletic scholarship, while Stanford did not.
Wasn't aware that was his reputation. I just think he's a chucker / ball hog as much as someone can be with as many assists and triple dubs as he has. Maybe low BBIQ I could understand. But I'd never question his overall intelligence based on that. Dude does everything at Mach speed but his mind doesn't seem to process the floor at the same time as his speed.
BG_Spurs_Fan
07-19-2022, 01:12 AM
It's funny how Westbrook has garnered a reputation for being low IQ. He actually garnered a 3.9 GPA in high school and was admitted into Stanford. He ultimately chose UCLA because they offered him an athletic scholarship, while Stanford did not.
General IQ and basketball IQ are different. There have also been a lot of players with high BBIQ, who are clearly not very sharp.
exstatic
07-19-2022, 07:39 AM
It's funny how Westbrook has garnered a reputation for being low IQ. He actually garnered a 3.9 GPA in high school and was admitted into Stanford. He ultimately chose UCLA because they offered him an athletic scholarship, while Stanford did not.
Low basketball IQ, not overall. They’re now referring to it as Processor Speed, so people don’t make the mistake you did. It’s heightened reaction time, coupled with anticipation.
Ice009
07-19-2022, 07:46 AM
Low basketball IQ, not overall. They’re now referring to it as Processor Speed, so people don’t make the mistake you did. It’s heightened reaction time, coupled with anticipation.
What's this for that they're referring to it as processor speed? BBall IQ?
He fired his agent that he’s had his whole career, because said agent wanted him to stay in LA.
My impression is that he fired his agent because the agent had the audacity to recommend/suggest that he would have to accept a buy out if he is, in fact, moved.
exstatic
07-19-2022, 10:28 AM
My impression is that he fired his agent because the agent had the audacity to recommend/suggest that he would have to accept a buy out if he is, in fact, moved.
I think Russ is self aware enough to know that his next trade will be a salary dump, and that he will not stay with that team. His agent only released that statement after the fact.
I think it's silly to say he lacks basketball intelligence. It's not like he doesn't know how to play the game. The problem is his incompatibility with the current team because he can't make three point shots, but he is playing in an era where you have to shoot them. So he shoots, but because he is a poor three point shooter, he misses a lot. He is elite at other stuff, but not at shooting or defense. I don't know why he is a poor defender, but I think it's by choice to not put effort into it, not from lack of basketball I.Q.
His two best traits in his prime were that he was a great athlete and he was fearlessly aggressive. Now that he has lost a step, his fearlessly aggressive play becomes a negative, but in his prime, he was a beast.
The Truth #6
07-19-2022, 11:04 AM
Vanity gets the best of many intelligent people and makes them do and say things that would otherwise be beneath them, all to protect their ego. It’s part of human nature. In fact you can see it with many of the “leaders” on this forum. Very common. Lol.
exstatic
07-19-2022, 11:43 AM
I think it's silly to say he lacks basketball intelligence. It's not like he doesn't know how to play the game. The problem is his incompatibility with the current team because he can't make three point shots, but he is playing in an era where you have to shoot them. So he shoots, but because he is a poor three point shooter, he misses a lot. He is elite at other stuff, but not at shooting or defense. I don't know why he is a poor defender, but I think it's by choice to not put effort into it, not from lack of basketball I.Q.
His two best traits in his prime were that he was a great athlete and he was fearlessly aggressive. Now that he has lost a step, his fearlessly aggressive play becomes a negative, but in his prime, he was a beast.
The thing is, we’re not talking about prime Westbrook. The thread title makes it clear that we’re talking about NOW Westbrook. Now Westbrook is a net negative player, and has been for 3 seasons.
RC_Drunkford
07-19-2022, 01:34 PM
I think it's silly to say he lacks basketball intelligence. It's not like he doesn't know how to play the game. The problem is his incompatibility with the current team because he can't make three point shots, but he is playing in an era where you have to shoot them. So he shoots, but because he is a poor three point shooter, he misses a lot. He is elite at other stuff, but not at shooting or defense. I don't know why he is a poor defender, but I think it's by choice to not put effort into it, not from lack of basketball I.Q.
His two best traits in his prime were that he was a great athlete and he was fearlessly aggressive. Now that he has lost a step, his fearlessly aggressive play becomes a negative, but in his prime, he was a beast.
He's probably the dumbest basketball player that I have ever watched tbh. The guy plays stupid ball. I think it's mainly because of his ego, trying to pad stats, etc. KD knew what he was doing when he left OKC
Arcadian
07-19-2022, 01:57 PM
:lol As if getting a 3.9 in high school is an accomplishment. We all know HS was bullshit. All you had to do was show up and give a fraction of a fuck worth of effort. (I had a few difficult AP classes, but even those could be finessed into an easy B.)
R. DeMurre
07-19-2022, 02:15 PM
Westbrook is literally the worst high volume three point shooter in the history of the NBA. Every coach & scout & analyst mentions it, and he absolutely refuses to change. So I think it's not so much IQ as stubbornness...
RC_Drunkford
07-19-2022, 02:22 PM
Westbrook is literally the worst high volume three point shooter in the history of the NBA. Every coach & scout & analyst mentions it, and he absolutely refuses to change. So I think it's not so much IQ as stubbornness...
him and Pop would be straight comedy. The most stubborn player with the most stubborn coach. :lol
BacktoBasics
07-19-2022, 02:24 PM
Westbrook is literally the worst high volume three point shooter in the history of the NBA. Every coach & scout & analyst mentions it, and he absolutely refuses to change. So I think it's not so much IQ as stubbornness...
Stubbornness and ego. He could actually make a huge impact on a team making a run if he decided that stats mean nothing and focused solely on helping his team where they need him.
Drom John
07-19-2022, 03:07 PM
Worst 3P% in with increasing # shots, up to Westbrook.
3PA 3P%
31 0.0% Zaza Pachulia
43 2.3% Anderson Varejao
46 4.3% Gene Banks
64 4.7% Otis Thorpe
102 5.9% Darrell Walker
152 13.2% Kelvin Ransey
186 14.5% Avery Johnson
464 17.2% Dennis Johnson
888 21.7% Andre Miller
2020 26.6% Charles Barkley
3746 30.5% Russell Westbrook
scott
07-19-2022, 03:13 PM
What's wild is that Westbrook is exactly the type of rehabilitation project that Pop could knock out of the park if Westbrook was willing and it didn't cost $47MM (and hurt our rebuilding plan).
Westbrook is obviously an extremely talented player who has largely played on free-wheeling teams. Even at Westbrook's age, I believe the structure that Pop could provide while putting him in a position to succeed could revive his career. I do believe DDR is an improved player as a result of his time with Pop, and I think Westbrook could have a similar renaissance under Pop... but the circumstances make that something that we shouldn't have an interest in.
What's wild is that Westbrook is exactly the type of rehabilitation project that Pop could knock out of the park if Westbrook was willing and it didn't cost $47MM (and hurt our rebuilding plan).
Westbrook is obviously an extremely talented player who has largely played on free-wheeling teams. Even at Westbrook's age, I believe the structure that Pop could provide while putting him in a position to succeed could revive his career. I do believe DDR is an improved player as a result of his time with Pop, and I think Westbrook could have a similar renaissance under Pop... but the circumstances make that something that we shouldn't have an interest in.
I think Westbrook is still a very talented player. You just can't put him on a team with a dominant ball handler and expect to play him off the ball because he can't space the floor for Lebron with his terrible three point shooting. He was an ill-conceived addition to the Lakers and they honestly should have been all over DDR, who has similar problems as Westbrook, but can take a back seat to Lebron without his ego getting in the way.
Uriel
07-19-2022, 05:42 PM
Low basketball IQ, not overall. They’re now referring to it as Processor Speed, so people don’t make the mistake you did. It’s heightened reaction time, coupled with anticipation.
Processing speed is correlated with IQ. In fact, it's literally one of the components of tests that psychologists have traditionally used to gauge IQ.
scott
07-19-2022, 05:45 PM
Processing speed is correlated with IQ. In fact, it's literally one of the components of tests that psychologists have traditionally used to gauge IQ.
In my experience (of which I do have real experience and training), practitioners of processing speed assessments are warned not to confuse processing speed with IQ. There are very high IQ individuals who do not process as fast as some lower IQ individuals with high processing speed ability. However, this is outside of a basketball context, more in a general sense.
With that said, processing speed is considered a fundamental element of working memory capacity, and working memory capacity is found to be a strong indicator of IQ performance.
The reason for the caution of confusing the two, however, is that you may have some roles within an organization that do not require a high IQ, but do require a high processing speed (and vice versa). The caution is more of a way to remind employers not to fall into the trap of unconscious bias which may later get you sued :lol
tonight...you
07-19-2022, 06:15 PM
In my experience (of which I do have real experience and training), practitioners of processing speed assessments are warned not to confuse processing speed with IQ. There are very high IQ individuals who do not process as fast as some lower IQ individuals with high processing speed ability. However, this is outside of a basketball context, more in a general sense.
With that said, processing speed is considered a fundamental element of working memory capacity, and working memory capacity is found to be a strong indicator of IQ performance.
The reason for the caution of confusing the two, however, is that you may have some roles within an organization that do not require a high IQ, but do require a high processing speed (and vice versa). The caution is more of a way to remind employers not to fall into the trap of unconscious bias which may later get you sued :lol
This is really interesting.
I'd love to look into a breakdown of why the thought process is the way it is.
You wouldn't happen to have any informative links, or points of direction to look into this, would you?
scott
07-19-2022, 07:06 PM
This is really interesting.
I'd love to look into a breakdown of why the thought process is the way it is.
You wouldn't happen to have any informative links, or points of direction to look into this, would you?
Which part? There are a couple of different philosophies/science converging for this. The correlation between processing speed (as a function of working memory capacity" and IQ you can find with some pretty easy searches.
The idea that you may not need high IQ but you need high processing speed for some roles is more a matter of resource allocation and your ability to attract and retain talent. Complex data entry may require high processing speed (to be efficient) but not very high IQ. And a high IQ individual isn't interested in data entry jobs. Engineering requires high IQ, but processing speed is de-prioritized because complex engineering problems don't typically require immediate solutions - you are afforded (a reasonable amount of) time to arrive at solutions with the appropriate level of precision. High IQ, high processing speed individuals are special, and are in high demand, and thus cost a lot. So you don't want an organization filled with them doing tasks where their skills are fully utilized. Those folks become disengaged and leave for roles/orgs that better challenge them.
tonight...you
07-19-2022, 07:46 PM
Which part? There are a couple of different philosophies/science converging for this. The correlation between processing speed (as a function of working memory capacity" and IQ you can find with some pretty easy searches.
The idea that you may not need high IQ but you need high processing speed for some roles is more a matter of resource allocation and your ability to attract and retain talent. Complex data entry may require high processing speed (to be efficient) but not very high IQ. And a high IQ individual isn't interested in data entry jobs. Engineering requires high IQ, but processing speed is de-prioritized because complex engineering problems don't typically require immediate solutions - you are afforded (a reasonable amount of) time to arrive at solutions with the appropriate level of precision. High IQ, high processing speed individuals are special, and are in high demand, and thus cost a lot. So you don't want an organization filled with them doing tasks where their skills are fully utilized. Those folks become disengaged and leave for roles/orgs that better challenge them.
How 'bout an intro I can sink my teeth into?
I know I can go and look this up myself, but I'm hoping you have a dissertation, or something more direct that you could set my eyes into the better horizon.
tonight...you
07-19-2022, 07:47 PM
Which part? There are a couple of different philosophies/science converging for this. The correlation between processing speed (as a function of working memory capacity" and IQ you can find with some pretty easy searches.
The idea that you may not need high IQ but you need high processing speed for some roles is more a matter of resource allocation and your ability to attract and retain talent. Complex data entry may require high processing speed (to be efficient) but not very high IQ. And a high IQ individual isn't interested in data entry jobs. Engineering requires high IQ, but processing speed is de-prioritized because complex engineering problems don't typically require immediate solutions - you are afforded (a reasonable amount of) time to arrive at solutions with the appropriate level of precision. High IQ, high processing speed individuals are special, and are in high demand, and thus cost a lot. So you don't want an organization filled with them doing tasks where their skills are fully utilized. Those folks become disengaged and leave for roles/orgs that better challenge them.
Sorry, and thank you for your intro.
Things make more sense into the differentiation.
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07-19-2022, 08:29 PM
Westbrook is literally the worst high volume three point shooter in the history of the NBA. Every coach & scout & analyst mentions it, and he absolutely refuses to change. So I think it's not so much IQ as stubbornness...
Sadly for him, he doesn't excel routinely unless he's finishing at the rim. Unfortunately for him, he's never really improved that and since his athleticism is slowly leaving him, he's becoming a less efficient player daily.
Been hearing some clown takes on how we'd throw in Richardson/McDormett in any trade with LA. Why would we do that? We're doing you a solid by taking on Westbrook. Richardson/McDermott are another 1st if you ask me.
rankingtear
07-20-2022, 02:32 AM
Been hearing some clown takes on how we'd throw in Richardson/McDormett in any trade with LA. Why would we do that? We're doing you a solid by taking on Westbrook. Richardson/McDermott are another 1st if you ask me.
Relax they are just making the trade legal.
exstatic
07-20-2022, 06:17 AM
Been hearing some clown takes on how we'd throw in Richardson/McDormett in any trade with LA. Why would we do that? We're doing you a solid by taking on Westbrook. Richardson/McDermott are another 1st if you ask me.
We have $36M in cap room. Russ’s salary is $47M. You see the discrepancy, right?
Dejounte
07-20-2022, 06:26 AM
Which part? There are a couple of different philosophies/science converging for this. The correlation between processing speed (as a function of working memory capacity" and IQ you can find with some pretty easy searches.
The idea that you may not need high IQ but you need high processing speed for some roles is more a matter of resource allocation and your ability to attract and retain talent. Complex data entry may require high processing speed (to be efficient) but not very high IQ. And a high IQ individual isn't interested in data entry jobs. Engineering requires high IQ, but processing speed is de-prioritized because complex engineering problems don't typically require immediate solutions - you are afforded (a reasonable amount of) time to arrive at solutions with the appropriate level of precision. High IQ, high processing speed individuals are special, and are in high demand, and thus cost a lot. So you don't want an organization filled with them doing tasks where their skills are fully utilized. Those folks become disengaged and leave for roles/orgs that better challenge them.
fellow Spurs engineer?
Atl Spur
07-20-2022, 08:30 AM
We have $36M in cap room. Russ’s salary is $47M. You see the discrepancy, right?
Play nice……
RC_Drunkford
07-20-2022, 11:03 AM
Been hearing some clown takes on how we'd throw in Richardson/McDormett in any trade with LA. Why would we do that? We're doing you a solid by taking on Westbrook. Richardson/McDermott are another 1st if you ask me.
Richardson yeah, but offloading McDermott no. We‘d be killing 2 birds with one stone if we trade McDermott for Russ and an unprotected first. I still don’t see that happening though. A Saric salary dump is way more likely
Chomag
07-20-2022, 01:24 PM
I know an unprotected lottery would definitely be nice but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth that we would do the Lakers a solid and bail them out. Let them burn in the circus that they created!
They (the Lakers) would never do us a favor if we needed it , and you all know it!
spurraider21
07-20-2022, 01:27 PM
I know an unprotected lottery would definitely be nice but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth that we would do the Lakers a solid and bail them out. Let them burn in the circus that they created!
They (the Lakers) would never do us a favor if we needed it , and you all know it!
its not doing them a solid if we are getting their pick. its a trade, not a gift.
imagine not wanting to improve against 28 other teams in the NBA because you think you might be helping 1 team
RC_Drunkford
07-20-2022, 01:53 PM
the thing is even if the Lakers get Kyrie for Westbrook they not winning anything. They start Lonnie Walker at SG :lol
Leetonidas
07-20-2022, 01:55 PM
the thing is even if the Lakers get Kyrie for Westbrook they not winning anything. They start Lonnie Walker at SG :lol
:lol their roster is a dumpster fire outside of LBJ and china doll Davis. they went with old washed up geezers last year on min deals and now they're going to go with nobodies and random young dudes on min deals this season
John B
07-20-2022, 02:00 PM
its not doing them a solid if we are getting their pick. its a trade, not a gift.
imagine not wanting to improve against 28 other teams in the NBA because you think you might be helping 1 team
Bruh the FRP is nice, eventhough we all know of the Lakers getting top FA every year and chances of rebuilding in no time compare to any other team, and likelihood of that being a late 1st round pick.
Besides bailing them of cancer Westbrook, we would be gifting them either McD or J-Rich to make salary work, both very capable players in a contending team. Spurs greatly helped Lakers chances of getting better. IF J-Rich, he alone is worth a FRP at trade deadline so that part doesn’t make sense. Even McD is arguably a potential FRP to a contender who needs a knockdown shooter.
So yeah, Spurs would be doing the Lakers solid. I also don’t like it.
I rather if there’s a way around CHA giving us Hayward, Kai Jones and picks/or making next year FRP unprotected, whatever. I rather Spurs go that route.
baseline bum
07-20-2022, 02:05 PM
Sadly for him, he doesn't excel routinely unless he's finishing at the rim. Unfortunately for him, he's never really improved that and since his athleticism is slowly leaving him, he's becoming a less efficient player daily.
Hasn't Westbrook been a terrible finisher at the rim most of his career?
exstatic
07-20-2022, 02:14 PM
Bruh the FRP is nice, eventhough we all know of the Lakers getting top FA every year and chances of rebuilding in no time compare to any other team, and likelihood of that being a late 1st round pick.
Besides bailing them of cancer Westbrook, we would be gifting them either McD or J-Rich to make salary work, both very capable players in a contending team. Spurs greatly helped Lakers chances of getting better. IF J-Rich, he alone is worth a FRP at trade deadline so that part doesn’t make sense. Even McD is arguably a potential FRP to a contender who needs a knockdown shooter.
So yeah, Spurs would be doing the Lakers solid. I also don’t like it.
I rather if there’s a way around CHA giving us Hayward, Kai Jones and picks/or making next year FRP unprotected, whatever. I rather Spurs go that route.
Lakers signed Shaquille O’Nealin 1996. They signed LeBron in 2018. LeBron also didn’t sign because they were the Lakers, he signed because they were in LA, entertainment Capitol of the world, that’s his next career, and he’s getting ready to transition into it.
That’s it. Two prime FA guys in 22 years. Everyone else was a washed ring chaser. They’ve traded away more drafted young guys who became All Stars than that.
We’re not doing them a favor. They don’t want to part with a UFRP, but BW is holding firm, and hopefully trying to shove Mcd’s contract down their throats in the process. They’ll also be fucked next summer when Kyrie wants to cash, and they don’t win a title.
scott
07-20-2022, 02:15 PM
fellow Spurs engineer?
I'm not an engineer, but work in manufacturing and hire/manage some engineers.
Chucho
07-20-2022, 02:24 PM
Quick question...really don't know where exactly to ask it...
...what happens when we don't get Wenbanyama? Do we keep tanking? Pray a reasonably good FA signs here? Hope that all of these mid and late first round picks turn into a contender?
We're putting a lot of eggs in one basket and a town that became used to winning for most of the team's 50 years of existence won't stand for an extended period of losing based on praying to land another once in a lifetime talent. Tanking is stupid and rarely works, but this is a time where it's realistic to try.
But after that? Then what? Say we get a top 5 talent, if we're lucky (let's be real, we're gonna end up with something worthless like the 7th pick), we'll still suck unless we're very lucky.
Luck is a stupid way to plan. And even 2-3 years of packing it in before the season even starts is more than enough fuel to help move the Spurs to Austin.
I don't see any bright light at the end of this tunnel and it seems it's either Wenbanyama or a decade of futility.
spurraider21
07-20-2022, 02:25 PM
Bruh the FRP is nice, eventhough we all know of the Lakers getting top FA every year and chances of rebuilding in no time compare to any other team, and likelihood of that being a late 1st round pick.
Besides bailing them of cancer Westbrook, we would be gifting them either McD or J-Rich to make salary work, both very capable players in a contending team. Spurs greatly helped Lakers chances of getting better. IF J-Rich, he alone is worth a FRP at trade deadline so that part doesn’t make sense. Even McD is arguably a potential FRP to a contender who needs a knockdown shooter.
So yeah, Spurs would be doing the Lakers solid. I also don’t like it.
I rather if there’s a way around CHA giving us Hayward, Kai Jones and picks/or making next year FRP unprotected, whatever. I rather Spurs go that route.
the spurs are competing against the entire NBA not just the lakers. if making this trade puts us in a better position against the rest of the NBA, its such a stupid and petty decision not to for the reasons you've given
do you care more about the spurs winning or the lakers losing? you are picking the latter.
John B
07-20-2022, 02:26 PM
Lakers signed Shaquille O’Nealin 1996. They signed LeBron in 2018. LeBron also didn’t sign because they were the Lakers, he signed because they were in LA, entertainment Capitol of the world, that’s his next career, and he’s getting ready to transition into it.
That’s it. Two prime FA guys in 22 years. Everyone else was a washed ring chaser. They’ve traded away more drafted young guys who became All Stars than that.
We’re not doing them a favor. They don’t want to part with a UFRP, but BW is holding firm, and hopefully trying to shove Mcd’s contract down their throats in the process. They’ll also be fucked next summer when Kyrie wants to cash, and they don’t win a title.
We all know how miraculously the Lakers get lottery picks despite the odds, how a unlikely trade like Gasol revitalized them (I’m just not sure of the CP3 trade getting vetoed). My point is, of all the franchises the Lakers have the best chances of rebuilding, as you said because they’re in LA and it’s hollywood. In 5 or 7 years, I doubt that FRP would be a lottery. Just imo.
Anyways, I rather the Spurs go the CHA route. Trade them Poeltl for picks or Hayward and Kai, whatever. Hayward at least they can still convert to a FRP maybe next year, if possible.
John B
07-20-2022, 02:35 PM
the spurs are competing against the entire NBA not just the lakers. if making this trade puts us in a better position against the rest of the NBA, its such a stupid and petty decision not to for the reasons you've given
do you care more about the spurs winning or the lakers losing? you are picking the latter.
You are talking FRP in 2027 or 2029 which in all likelihood a late lottery pick. How do you call that Spurs winning? We got that same pick from the corpse of Thad, and immediately the following year not 5 or 7 years from now. And as mentioned, they have to send either J-Rich and McD to make salary work, and they alone are potential FRP’s given the right time and team.
Anyway, I’m not seeing such a great swap for the Spurs. And yeah, I hate the Lakers, but that besides the point.
spurraider21
07-20-2022, 02:40 PM
You are talking FRP in 2027 or 2029 which in all likelihood a late lottery pick. How do you call that Spurs winning? We got that same pick from the corpse of Thad, and immediately the following year not 5 or 7 years from now. And as mentioned, they have to send either J-Rich and McD to make salary work, and they alone are potential FRP’s given the right time and team.
Anyway, I’m not seeing such a great swap for the Spurs. And yeah, I hate the Lakers, but that besides the point.
would you rather the spurs get an extra first round pick in 2027 or not get an extra first round pick in 2027? which of those scenarios is better for the spurs?
mcdermott would absolutely not fetch a first on his own. not with 2 years on his deal. richardson probably would, but certainly not an unprotected one.
R. DeMurre
07-20-2022, 02:41 PM
For me, Westbrook is just a sacrifice too far... literally my least favorite player in the league, and I think buying him out for so many millions would be such a bad look for an historically frugal team that prides itself on all of the supposed character stuff. Tim Duncan busted his ass for two decades successfully competing against a Laker franchise that outspent the Spurs nearly every season of his career, so helping the Lakers and dropping $40mil or so in return for one FRP just doesn't add up in my eyes.
spurraider21
07-20-2022, 02:43 PM
We all know how miraculously the Lakers get lottery picks despite the odds, how a unlikely trade like Gasol revitalized them (I’m just not sure of the CP3 trade getting vetoed). My point is, of all the franchises the Lakers have the best chances of rebuilding, as you said because they’re in LA and it’s hollywood. In 5 or 7 years, I doubt that FRP would be a lottery. Just imo.
Anyways, I rather the Spurs go the CHA route. Trade them Poeltl for picks or Hayward and Kai, whatever. Hayward at least they can still convert to a FRP maybe next year, if possible.
all the more reason to trade for their first round pick :tu
Quick question...really don't know where exactly to ask it...
...what happens when we don't get Wenbanyama? Do we keep tanking? Pray a reasonably good FA signs here? Hope that all of these mid and late first round picks turn into a contender?
We're putting a lot of eggs in one basket and a town that became used to winning for most of the team's 50 years of existence won't stand for an extended period of losing based on praying to land another once in a lifetime talent. Tanking is stupid and rarely works, but this is a time where it's realistic to try.
But after that? Then what? Say we get a top 5 talent, if we're lucky (let's be real, we're gonna end up with something worthless like the 7th pick), we'll still suck unless we're very lucky.
Luck is a stupid way to plan. And even 2-3 years of packing it in before the season even starts is more than enough fuel to help move the Spurs to Austin.
I don't see any bright light at the end of this tunnel and it seems it's either Wenbanyama or a decade of futility.
That's why anti-tankers keep saying you have statiscally as much chances to become a contender by tanking than not for a team like SA...
Problem is we got Tim like that and fans always want to imagine for the better... Hope always sell. What if we got Victor... Yeah but what if not? I mean Wesley might end up as spurs best pick when everything is said and done and he was the 25th...
It's possible that spurs get a frnachise player lke that but they got one at 15 a few years ago by trading a late first one... Are we ready to be bottom feeders for years?
spurraider21
07-20-2022, 02:45 PM
its absolutely stunning to me that ":cry helping the lakers :cry" is a legitimate consideration of some people here when it comes to making the move
its one thing if you dont think using up 40 mil in cap room for 1 unprotected first is simply not good enough. can agree to disagree there (though what else would you do with that cap space on a team going into a tank/rebuild year?). but wtf is this nonsense of basing decisions on spite?
you'd rather the spurs and lakers both be shit vs spurs and lakers both being good?
exstatic
07-20-2022, 02:46 PM
We all know how miraculously the Lakers get lottery picks despite the odds, how a unlikely trade like Gasol revitalized them (I’m just not sure of the CP3 trade getting vetoed). My point is, of all the franchises the Lakers have the best chances of rebuilding, as you said because they’re in LA and it’s hollywood. In 5 or 7 years, I doubt that FRP would be a lottery. Just imo.
Anyways, I rather the Spurs go the CHA route. Trade them Poeltl for picks or Hayward and Kai, whatever. Hayward at least they can still convert to a FRP maybe next year, if possible.
They don’t own a pick until 2027, currently, so their lottery luck is immaterial. That pick and the 2029 will likely be outgoing in this deal, so we’re talking 2031 until Laker lottery luck matters.
Hayward would have to be a straight salary dump. That’s how he’s viewed health and contract wise around the league. You don’t send them an asset like Jakob for him. They send you multiple FRPs to take that shit deal.
Kai is a nothing burger. His college stats for two years were meh, his gleague stats were meh, and his NBA stats were hot garbage. As far as I can tell, he’s a tall black guy, and I may be wrong about that.
John B
07-20-2022, 02:46 PM
would you rather the spurs get an extra first round pick in 2027 or not get an extra first round pick in 2027? which of those scenarios is better for the spurs?
mcdermott would absolutely not fetch a first on his own. not with 2 years on his deal. richardson probably would, but certainly not an unprotected one.
Again… that unprotected FRP that you kept on saying is most likely a late 1st round given Lakers miraculously rebuilding faster than any other franchise. They’re the Los Angeles fucking Lakers, the NBA logo donned that jersey. J-Rich FRP would likely be the same minus 47 mil.
exstatic
07-20-2022, 02:51 PM
For me, Westbrook is just a sacrifice too far... literally my least favorite player in the league, and I think buying him out for so many millions would be such a bad look for an historically frugal team that prides itself on all of the supposed character stuff. Tim Duncan busted his ass for two decades successfully competing against a Laker franchise that outspent the Spurs nearly every season of his career, so helping the Lakers and dropping $40mil or so in return for one FRP just doesn't add up in my eyes.
The have to spend 90% of the cap, whether it’s Westbrook or some other player(s) we cut. When teams salary dump players, there’s a reason. They’re injured or washed or otherwise in-useful, and it’s folly to keep them on your roster.
The pick will also be unprotected, or there will be no deal. Unprotected picks are more valuable than top4 protected, and probably twice as valuable as lottery protected picks.
John B
07-20-2022, 02:51 PM
They don’t own a pick until 2027, currently, so their lottery luck is immaterial. That pick and the 2029 will likely be outgoing in this deal, so we’re talking 2031 until Laker lottery luck matters.
Hayward would have to be a straight salary dump. That’s how he’s viewed health and contract wise around the league. You don’t send them an asset like Jakob for him. They send you multiple FRPs to take that shit deal.
Kai is a nothing burger. His college stats for two years were meh, his gleague stats were meh, and his NBA stats were hot garbage. As far as I can tell, he’s a tall black guy, and I may be wrong about that.
Damn 2031 unprotected? And if you’re saying is right about Hayward, then even better. Send us multiple FRP’s for his corpse.
exstatic
07-20-2022, 02:56 PM
Again… that unprotected FRP that you kept on saying is most likely a late 1st round given Lakers miraculously rebuilding faster than any other franchise. They’re the Los Angeles fucking Lakers, the NBA logo donned that jersey. J-Rich FRP would likely be the same minus 47 mil.
You’re not an nba history buff. Even with our recent downturn of the last 3 years, LA has missed the playoffs more times since 2013 (8) than we have in the history of the Spurs (7). They’re foundering, and they’re fucked when LeBron moves on.
exstatic
07-20-2022, 02:57 PM
Damn 2031 unprotected? And if you’re saying is right about Hayward, then even better. Send us multiple FRP’s for his corpse.
Can’t do both. LA or CHA.
spurraider21
07-20-2022, 03:00 PM
Again… that unprotected FRP that you kept on saying is most likely a late 1st round given Lakers miraculously rebuilding faster than any other franchise. They’re the Los Angeles fucking Lakers, the NBA logo donned that jersey. J-Rich FRP would likely be the same minus 47 mil.
you realize that the lakers had 6 consecutive years in the lottery leading up to the 18-19 season? including 3 consecutive years landing the #2 overall pick?
by 2027 lebron would be 43 and retired. anthony davis would be 34 and broken down. kyrie would be 35.
the lakers owe the pelicans a pick swap in 2023 and dont have their first round pick in 2024. they will not have ammuniton to get better.
exstatic
07-20-2022, 03:09 PM
you realize that the lakers had 6 consecutive years in the lottery leading up to the 18-19 season? including 3 consecutive years landing the #2 overall pick?
by 2027 lebron would be 43 and retired. anthony davis would be 34 and broken down. kyrie would be 35.
the lakers owe the pelicans a pick swap in 2023 and dont have their first round pick in 2024. they will not have ammuniton to get better.
Everything is at least a pick swap up to 2027. The Kyrie/Russ deal would probably be 2027 unprot, 2028 swap, 2029 unprot to SA and BKN, with us getting one of the FRPs, an Brooklyn the other and the swap. That’s as far out as LA can trade picks.
John B
07-20-2022, 03:19 PM
Can’t do both. LA or CHA.
Yup I think most posters here and fans would rather Spurs take Hayward than Westbrook, Hornets over Lakers.
RC_Drunkford
07-20-2022, 03:45 PM
Quick question...really don't know where exactly to ask it...
...what happens when we don't get Wenbanyama? Do we keep tanking? Pray a reasonably good FA signs here? Hope that all of these mid and late first round picks turn into a contender?
We're putting a lot of eggs in one basket and a town that became used to winning for most of the team's 50 years of existence won't stand for an extended period of losing based on praying to land another once in a lifetime talent. Tanking is stupid and rarely works, but this is a time where it's realistic to try.
But after that? Then what? Say we get a top 5 talent, if we're lucky (let's be real, we're gonna end up with something worthless like the 7th pick), we'll still suck unless we're very lucky.
Luck is a stupid way to plan. And even 2-3 years of packing it in before the season even starts is more than enough fuel to help move the Spurs to Austin.
I don't see any bright light at the end of this tunnel and it seems it's either Wenbanyama or a decade of futility.
the 2023 draft is one of the best drafts in years. There are more potential franchise players in that draft than just Wembanyama. Ideally the Spurs get another 2023 pick from another team for Poeltl or J-Rich to draft a guy who could be a 2nd option. Their record should be bad enough to be able to get a top 5 pick and draft that franchise player the team is missing. Since that player will most likely be 19 years old it will take about 3 years for him to make a significant leap. In the meantime collect more picks. By 2026 the Spurs could be back on their way to a top 8 seed and by 2025 the collected draft picks plus swaps will hit until 2028. That means if the Spurs are a playoff team by then they would have assets for a trade or get lucky to get another one of those picks/swaps in the lottery to add more talent to the roster. Seems like a pretty good plan to me.
I think the goal here is to draft their next home grown big 3 that can stay together with the main part of the young core to build another long term contender
baseline bum
07-20-2022, 03:50 PM
Quick question...really don't know where exactly to ask it...
...what happens when we don't get Wenbanyama? Do we keep tanking? Pray a reasonably good FA signs here? Hope that all of these mid and late first round picks turn into a contender?
We're putting a lot of eggs in one basket and a town that became used to winning for most of the team's 50 years of existence won't stand for an extended period of losing based on praying to land another once in a lifetime talent. Tanking is stupid and rarely works, but this is a time where it's realistic to try.
But after that? Then what? Say we get a top 5 talent, if we're lucky (let's be real, we're gonna end up with something worthless like the 7th pick), we'll still suck unless we're very lucky.
Luck is a stupid way to plan. And even 2-3 years of packing it in before the season even starts is more than enough fuel to help move the Spurs to Austin.
I don't see any bright light at the end of this tunnel and it seems it's either Wenbanyama or a decade of futility.
Not really putting their eggs in one basket, as even in the best case it's an 86% chance they don't get Wenbanyama. Think it's more about assuring themselves of high picks so they can take a few swings at high talent and high ceiling guys that they just aren't able to do drafting around #10 every year.
Leetonidas
07-20-2022, 03:50 PM
Quick question...really don't know where exactly to ask it...
...what happens when we don't get Wenbanyama? Do we keep tanking? Pray a reasonably good FA signs here? Hope that all of these mid and late first round picks turn into a contender?
We're putting a lot of eggs in one basket and a town that became used to winning for most of the team's 50 years of existence won't stand for an extended period of losing based on praying to land another once in a lifetime talent. Tanking is stupid and rarely works, but this is a time where it's realistic to try.
But after that? Then what? Say we get a top 5 talent, if we're lucky (let's be real, we're gonna end up with something worthless like the 7th pick), we'll still suck unless we're very lucky.
Luck is a stupid way to plan. And even 2-3 years of packing it in before the season even starts is more than enough fuel to help move the Spurs to Austin.
I don't see any bright light at the end of this tunnel and it seems it's either Wenbanyama or a decade of futility.
It doesn't have to be him. Spurs will likely end with at worst a top 5 pick in the draft where the real talent lies. I mean Memphis missed out on the "generational prospect" and are actually better for it. So regardless the only way to add top tier talent is to suck for a couple years
John B
07-20-2022, 03:50 PM
the 2023 draft is one of the best drafts in years. There are more potential franchise players in that draft than just Wembanyama. Ideally the Spurs get another 2023 pick from another team for Poeltl or J-Rich to draft a guy who could be a 2nd option. Their record should be bad enough to be able to get a top 5 pick and draft that franchise player the team is missing. Since that player will most likely be 19 years old it will take about 3 years for him to make a significant leap. In the meantime collect more picks. By 2026 the Spurs could be back on their way to a top 8 seed and by 2025 the collected draft picks plus swaps will hit until 2028. That means if the Spurs are a playoff team by then they would have assets for a trade or get lucky to get another one of those picks/swaps in the lottery to add more talent to the roster. Seems like a pretty good plan to me.
I think the goal here is to draft their next home grown big 3 that can stay together with the main part of the young core to build another long term contender
They could’ve done that 4 years ago and would be in the 5th year phase this season. But well :wakeup
RC_Drunkford
07-20-2022, 03:51 PM
They could’ve done that 4 years ago and would be in the 5th year phase this season. But well :wakeup
blame Pop chasing his record for that
baseline bum
07-20-2022, 03:54 PM
Also luck is how the Spurs ever got any good:
1. Luck in the Viriginia Squires selling them Ice
2. Luck in winning the lottery in 1987
3. Luck in winning the lottery in 1997
4. Luck in Manu Ginobili going from a guy who hit a bunch of threes when the Spurs were scouting someone else out at the game to a top player in Euroleague
Also lots of luck in winning the lottery in 87 when David was the man to draft as opposed to 86 when it would have been Brad Daugherty, or 90 when it would have been Derrick Coleman. Same for 97.
exstatic
07-20-2022, 04:06 PM
Quick question...really don't know where exactly to ask it...
...what happens when we don't get Wenbanyama? Do we keep tanking? Pray a reasonably good FA signs here? Hope that all of these mid and late first round picks turn into a contender?
We're putting a lot of eggs in one basket and a town that became used to winning for most of the team's 50 years of existence won't stand for an extended period of losing based on praying to land another once in a lifetime talent. Tanking is stupid and rarely works, but this is a time where it's realistic to try.
But after that? Then what? Say we get a top 5 talent, if we're lucky (let's be real, we're gonna end up with something worthless like the 7th pick), we'll still suck unless we're very lucky.
Luck is a stupid way to plan. And even 2-3 years of packing it in before the season even starts is more than enough fuel to help move the Spurs to Austin.
I don't see any bright light at the end of this tunnel and it seems it's either Wenbanyama or a decade of futility.
If you’re THE WORST FUCKING TEAM IN THE NBA, you only have a 14% chance at Wemby.
Rebuilding is hard, but stockpiling FRPs, some unprotected, is the way to go.
Leetonidas
07-20-2022, 04:08 PM
If the Spurs have a top 3 worst record then they are at worst guaranteed the #5 pick. I'll take that over fighting for 32 wins and a play in exit for the 12th pick again any day. Jaden Ivey was 5th this year. we'd all feel much better if we had a prospect like him on the roster. the spurs dont even have to tank to do it, their roster is poor enough that they can lose games while still developing their young players
offset formation
07-20-2022, 04:40 PM
Hasn't Westbrook been a terrible finisher at the rim most of his career?
He blows quite a few because he never mastered the touch he needed while going 3 million miles an hour. But he dunked quite a bit and had a decent amount of finishes in transition. Lots of easy points. He'd have games where his little corner bankshot was on and also hit 2 or 3 threes out of 8 or something too. But it's almost always the easy points for him and the FT resulting from crashing hard that fueled his scoring.
TD 21
07-20-2022, 04:43 PM
He'd almost certainly want a buyout, but I'm not sure anyone would sign him immediately, especially since he's most likely still not at the point where he'd be willing to accept being a 6th man.
So presuming the Spurs were amendable to him playing for them at least through the trade deadline (between the gaping hole at PG, lack of box office appeal and his need to be on his best behavior to try to rehabilitate his reputation/value as much as possible, they might be), it'd be either that or sit at home hoping some treadmill or better team has their PG suffer a season ending injury and gets desperate.
If the Spurs have a top 3 worst record then they are at worst guaranteed the #5 pick. I'll take that over fighting for 32 wins and a play in exit for the 12th pick again any day. Jaden Ivey was 5th this year. we'd all feel much better if we had a prospect like him on the roster. the spurs dont even have to tank to do it, their roster is poor enough that they can lose games while still developing their young players
Nah, they'd need to finish with the worst record to guarantee a top 5 pick, but I agree with the rest.
I'd be surprised if they haven't found a higher ceiling offensive player than Murray within' two years.
Leetonidas
07-20-2022, 04:52 PM
He'd almost certainly want a buyout, but I'm not sure anyone would sign him immediately, especially since he's most likely still not at the point where he'd be willing to accept being a 6th man.
So presuming the Spurs were amendable to him playing for them at least through the trade deadline (between the gaping hole at PG, lack of box office appeal and his need to be on his best behavior to try to rehabilitate his reputation/value as much as possible, they might be), it'd be either that or sit at home hoping some treadmill or better team has their PG suffer a season ending injury and gets desperate.
Nah, they'd need to finish with the worst record to guarantee a top 5 pick, but I agree with the rest.
I'd be surprised if they haven't found a higher ceiling offensive player than Murray within' two years.
ah, you're right, my bad. Spurs are projected to have the worst record in the league this year though. regardless, the odds are in our favor for a top 5 pick. people just need to let it play out. i mean, what was the alternative anyway? we probably still miss the playoffs even with Murray and clearly Phx was always going to match Ayton so unless we're going to sell the farm to trade for Gobert we don't really have many options
Chomag
07-20-2022, 05:12 PM
If we really must take a high contract to waive, why not Hayward?
baseline bum
07-20-2022, 05:15 PM
He blows quite a few because he never mastered the touch he needed while going 3 million miles an hour. But he dunked quite a bit and had a decent amount of finishes in transition. Lots of easy points. He'd have games where his little corner bankshot was on and also hit 2 or 3 threes out of 8 or something too. But it's almost always the easy points for him and the FT resulting from crashing hard that fueled his scoring.
Didn't he have one of the league worst shooting percentages at the rim though? Could swear I saw a video from BBallBreakdown or something showing that back when he was still on OKC.
exstatic
07-20-2022, 05:25 PM
If we really must take a high contract to waive, why not Haywood?
Because CHA isn’t in a corner like the Lakers are. They don’t have a demanding HOF Diva calling that shots. They don’t even yet see Hayward as a salary dump candidate. They’re light years from even considering an unprotected FRP as a chip in the pot.
spurraider21
07-20-2022, 05:55 PM
Didn't he have one of the league worst shooting percentages at the rim though? Could swear I saw a video from BBallBreakdown or something showing that back when he was still on OKC.
dno about "at the rim" but westbrook's career FG% within 0-3 feet is 59.7% while Tony Parker's was 64.5%
curry also at 64.5%
manu was 62.2.%
kobe was 63.7%
lebron at 73.7%
shaq at 74.5%
jim at 68.9%
offset formation
07-20-2022, 06:02 PM
Didn't he have one of the league worst shooting percentages at the rim though? Could swear I saw a video from BBallBreakdown or something showing that back when he was still on OKC.
I think you're right. But he was also taking like 20+ shots / game so he he could have poor FG and still make most of his points there. What I do know for sure is that he's the worst 3pt shooter in NBA history when juxtaposed with attempts.
tonight...you
07-20-2022, 06:18 PM
blame Pop chasing his record for that
You wouldn't?
Chase an all-time record.
Get put in the History Books for All Time.
You'd walk away for the good of others?
That's the guy you are?
AFBlue
07-20-2022, 07:02 PM
So we're still no closer to this actually being a reality, right? Just checking.
John B
07-20-2022, 07:59 PM
So we're still no closer to this actually being a reality, right? Just checking.
Geez I hope not. I really hope they explore on Hayward as viable alternate. To me it makes a lot more sense.
Ice009
07-20-2022, 08:32 PM
dno about "at the rim" but westbrook's career FG% within 0-3 feet is 59.7% while Tony Parker's was 64.5%
curry also at 64.5%
manu was 62.2.%
kobe was 63.7%
lebron at 73.7%
shaq at 74.5%
jim at 68.9%
Interesting. Where do you get those stats from? I didn't expect Kobe's to be quite as high as I remember him taking more jump shots that driving to the rim. Pretty good stats, though. I guess when he did go to the rim, he finished well. TP and Manu also great near the rim. Curious what D-Wade's rim percentage is.
John B
07-20-2022, 09:24 PM
Interesting. Where do you get those stats from? I didn't expect Kobe's to be quite as high as I remember him taking more jump shots that driving to the rim. Pretty good stats, though. I guess when he did go to the rim, he finished well. TP and Manu also great near the rim. Curious what D-Wade's rim percentage is.
I remember Tony once among the league leaders in FG percentage.
So we're still no closer to this actually being a reality, right? Just checking.
it's dead now, but as the season goes on the lakers might get even more desperate. no tanking they can't miss the playoffs twice in a row with lebron.
spurraider21
07-21-2022, 06:23 AM
Interesting. Where do you get those stats from? I didn't expect Kobe's to be quite as high as I remember him taking more jump shots that driving to the rim. Pretty good stats, though. I guess when he did go to the rim, he finished well. TP and Manu also great near the rim. Curious what D-Wade's rim percentage is.
Pull them out of my ass.
just kidding. Basketballreference.com. Under any players profile if you scroll way down there’s a shooting category. You can see what % of a players FGA came from what range and also what their Fg% was at that range
Pull them out of my ass.
just kidding. Basketballreference.com. Under any players profile if you scroll way down there’s a shooting category. You can see what % of a players FGA came from what range and also what their Fg% was at that range
thanks for the info, tbh, pulleditoutofmyass.com seems to be an ST favorite.
I remember Tony once among the league leaders in FG percentage.
tony also had a killer floater.
tony also had a killer floater.
Basically brought or at least popularized it in the league... Took it (or got inspired) from spanish PG Juan Carlos Navarro he played a lot in youth competitions...
Uriel
07-22-2022, 12:50 AM
Is it really guaranteed that we would buy out Westbrook in the event we trade for him? Couldn't we hold on to him and sit him out (like the Rockets did with John Wall) until a desperate contender comes to us at the trade deadline with a proposal to take him on in exchange for us swallowing a few bad contracts and a protected first round pick?
The Truth #6
07-22-2022, 01:31 AM
Is it really guaranteed that we would buy out Westbrook in the event we trade for him? Couldn't we hold on to him and sit him out (like the Rockets did with John Wall) until a desperate contender comes to us at the trade deadline with a proposal to take him on in exchange for us swallowing a few bad contracts and a protected first round pick?
I’ve speculated on the same idea. A lot of if/then statements, but pop would be the only one who could come close to changing him along with Chip helping with shooting assuming he still on the team… If nothing else that should be the narrative they are pushing if he was on the team, and yeah, try to unload him for more value if somehow possible. That seems like a lot more work than Spurs would want to do.
tbdog
07-22-2022, 01:46 AM
Is it really guaranteed that we would buy out Westbrook in the event we trade for him? Couldn't we hold on to him and sit him out (like the Rockets did with John Wall) until a desperate contender comes to us at the trade deadline with a proposal to take him on in exchange for us swallowing a few bad contracts and a protected first round pick?
Rockets got nothing for wall. Spurs won't either for Westbrook. Even if the lakers give an unprotected first - that's expensive for a team that's not going to get many sell outs or Jersey sales.
KingKev
07-22-2022, 01:48 AM
Is it really guaranteed that we would buy out Westbrook in the event we trade for him? Couldn't we hold on to him and sit him out (like the Rockets did with John Wall) until a desperate contender comes to us at the trade deadline with a proposal to take him on in exchange for us swallowing a few bad contracts and a protected first round pick?
It’d be nearly impossible to move him at the deadline and make the math work.
exstatic
07-22-2022, 06:39 AM
Is it really guaranteed that we would buy out Westbrook in the event we trade for him? Couldn't we hold on to him and sit him out (like the Rockets did with John Wall) until a desperate contender comes to us at the trade deadline with a proposal to take him on in exchange for us swallowing a few bad contracts and a protected first round pick?
Contenders would have to gut their roster to match his $47M salary. Also, as pointed out, the Rockets ultimately got nothing for Wall.
lmbebo
07-22-2022, 10:45 AM
I’ve speculated on the same idea. A lot of if/then statements, but pop would be the only one who could come close to changing him along with Chip helping with shooting assuming he still on the team… If nothing else that should be the narrative they are pushing if he was on the team, and yeah, try to unload him for more value if somehow possible. That seems like a lot more work than Spurs would want to do.
Aside from what everyone else said. Chip is also gone.
SpurSpike
08-12-2022, 08:57 AM
Lakers are now open to trading both their first round picks for Irving.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10045058-lakers-rumors-la-willing-to-include-2-1st-round-draft-picks-in-kyrie-irving-trade
exstatic
08-12-2022, 09:26 AM
Lakers are now open to trading both their first round picks for Irving.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10045058-lakers-rumors-la-willing-to-include-2-1st-round-draft-picks-in-kyrie-irving-trade
:lol Kyrie going full Nephew.
KingKev
08-12-2022, 09:30 AM
:lol Kyrie going full Nephew.
Kyrie has already came out and stated that the reports of him only wanting to play 60 games and no back to backs is not true.
MultiTroll
08-12-2022, 09:37 AM
Lakers are now open to trading both their first round picks for Irving.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10045058-lakers-rumors-la-willing-to-include-2-1st-round-draft-picks-in-kyrie-irving-trade
Wow, that sure makes it fair for any team willing to take on Westbrick.
KingKev
08-12-2022, 11:05 AM
Wow, that sure makes it fair for any team willing to take on Westbrick.
It’s two FRPs to unload Russ and get Irving back so unless the Nets are okay with trading Irving for Russ and two unprotected FRPs this doesn’t change anything.
Nets aren’t giving up Irving for one pick alone unless he strong arms them so Lakers still need to add assets to get this done.
MultiTroll
08-12-2022, 11:30 AM
^ would be idiotic for Nyets and any 3rd team to help out ABC Disney Lakers with this lame offer.
But, this is the rigged NBA so....
2 FRPs was always the bare minimum, especially if the Nets want another team involved. Lakers are just stuck living in la-la land if they ever thought they would get Irving for less.
Still think it's stupid for the Lakers to give away what little draft capital they have for like...one, maybe two more shots with AD and LeBron but LeGM usually gets his way.
KingKev
08-12-2022, 11:33 AM
2 FRPs was always the bare minimum, especially if the Nets want another team involved. Lakers are just stuck living in la-la land if they ever thought they would get Irving for less.
Still think it's stupid for the Lakers to give away what little draft capital they have for like...one, maybe two more shots with AD and LeBron but LeGM usually gets his way.
They are fully invested in another 2-3yr window is LBJ co-operates. Their future is poor regardless.
The Truth #6
08-12-2022, 11:35 AM
The NBA is a mess. It lives the constant news cycle of superstar machinations, but it kills the concept of teams imo.
So, I’m torn. As a Spurs fan I would love for us to somehow unload players that are not in our timeline and get assets in return. On the other hand I love the idea of seeing LeBron and Durant stuck in the situation of their making.
The NBA is a mess. It lives the constant news cycle of superstar machinations, but it kills the concept of teams imo.
So, I’m torn. As a Spurs fan I would love for us to somehow unload players that are not in our timeline and get assets in return. On the other hand I love the idea of seeing LeBron and Durant stuck in the situation of their making.
For better or worse, we all know Pop holds a grudge against the Lakers. If it were up to him, I doubt he wants to do them any favors by absorbing Westbrook's terrible contract just for a FRP and then helping them win another ring.
Obviously Wright and team can do what they want...but then they face the decision of letting Westbrook play (god no) or eating 40-ish million dollars.
KingKev
08-12-2022, 11:50 AM
For better or worse, we all know Pop holds a grudge against the Lakers. If it were up to him, I doubt he wants to do them any favors by absorbing Westbrook's terrible contract just for a FRP and then helping them win another ring.
Obviously Wright and team can do what they want...but then they face the decision of letting Westbrook play (god no) or eating 40-ish million dollars.
Pop’s stubbornness is a big reason we are here today. If 1 unprotected Lakers FRP is on the table for us to buyout Wes and they take back McBooger that is a nice parting gift for Pop to leave us.
exstatic
08-12-2022, 12:08 PM
Pop’s stubbornness is a big reason we are here today. If 1 unprotected Lakers FRP is on the table for us to buyout Wes and they take back McBooger that is a nice parting gift for Pop to leave us.
Both picks would be headed to BKN, is what it sounds like. Have no idea how they plan to offload Russ, and don't much care if they're not offering us one of the unprotected picks.
rascal
08-12-2022, 12:26 PM
2 FRPs was always the bare minimum, especially if the Nets want another team involved. Lakers are just stuck living in la-la land if they ever thought they would get Irving for less.
Still think it's stupid for the Lakers to give away what little draft capital they have for like...one, maybe two more shots with AD and LeBron but LeGM usually gets his way.
Not really if they get another title. Spurs can have years of top draft picks and never win a championship from it like other teams haven't won with top draft picks. The lakers don't build their teams from the draft, they can buy free agents.
KingKev
08-12-2022, 01:12 PM
Both picks would be headed to BKN, is what it sounds like. Have no idea how they plan to offload Russ, and don't much care if they're not offering us one of the unprotected picks.
I think that is a fair trade but moreso for BK to start the rebuild if Durant truly wants out.
Regardless I don’t think we have a role to play in this other than to get our lunches eaten.
Both picks would be headed to BKN, is what it sounds like. Have no idea how they plan to offload Russ, and don't much care if they're not offering us one of the unprotected picks.
What's our incentive to be involved then?
Not really if they get another title. Spurs can have years of top draft picks and never win a championship from it like other teams haven't won with top draft picks. The lakers don't build their teams from the draft, they can buy free agents.
Which is why those 2 FRPs from the Lakers are questionable anways. Who knows what could happen between now and 2029, but there will always be star players clamoring to play for the Lakers so even if LeBron leaves and AD breaks down, there is no guarantee that those picks will be worth much if the Lakers find another lucky reset button.
exstatic
08-12-2022, 03:06 PM
What's our incentive to be involved then?
None, hence the expression "don't much care..."
exstatic
08-12-2022, 03:08 PM
Which is why those 2 FRPs from the Lakers are questionable anways. Who knows what could happen between now and 2029, but there will always be star players clamoring to play for the Lakers so even if LeBron leaves and AD breaks down, there is no guarantee that those picks will be worth much if the Lakers find another lucky reset button.
1996 - Shaq signs with the Lakers
2018 - LeBron Signs with the Lakers
This whole trope of 'Lakers can sign free agents easily' is WAY overblown.
Seventyniner
08-12-2022, 03:21 PM
The Lakers being willing to include both the 2027 and 2029 picks is a step in the right direction towards a deal. We'll have to see if they're willing to have those be completely unprotected, and if they would make an unprotected 2028 swap available. That swap would be worth less to the Spurs than to the Nets given that the Spurs already have swap rights with Boston (top 1 protected) in 2028, but it's still another potential bite at the lottery apple if the Spurs want to play hardball.
If the Nets are willing to take back one of the 2027/2029 picks plus useful players (is McDermott useful to them?) for Irving, perhaps with the Lakers 2028 swap, the Spurs can get the other pick and absorb Westbrook's contract. I believe the Spurs have enough cap space for the difference between Westbrook's and McDermott's contracts.
1996 - Shaq signs with the Lakers
2018 - LeBron Signs with the Lakers
This whole trope of 'Lakers can sign free agents easily' is WAY overblown.
Hm...I seem to recall the Lakers knoodling their way into getting Kobe from the Hornets on draft day.
Managed to pull off a wacky trade to bring in Pau Gasol for what seemed like scraps (Marc Gasol turned out good, but still...)
Almost got Chris Paul (if not veto'd by the NBA who owned the Hornets at the time)
Got notable names like Ron Artest, Dwight Howard, Steve Nash, Karl Malone, Gary Payton to join....some worked out better than others.
Got Davis to force a trade out of New Orleans for, who....the Lakers.
ALMOST got Kawhi through his bullshit but Spurs balked, and so Lakers signed LeBron instead so Kawhi went to Clippers.
Should I.....should I keep going?
In t:lolday's NBA....players just say where they want to go and expect it to happen. It's literally happening with Kyrie right now and sadly...it works a lot of the time.
slick'81
08-12-2022, 05:36 PM
Is a russell westy trade back in the works?
exstatic
08-12-2022, 09:42 PM
Hm...I seem to recall the Lakers knoodling their way into getting Kobe from the Hornets on draft day.
Managed to pull off a wacky trade to bring in Pau Gasol for what seemed like scraps (Marc Gasol turned out good, but still...)
Almost got Chris Paul (if not veto'd by the NBA who owned the Hornets at the time)
Got notable names like Ron Artest, Dwight Howard, Steve Nash, Karl Malone, Gary Payton to join....some worked out better than others.
Got Davis to force a trade out of New Orleans for, who....the Lakers.
ALMOST got Kawhi through his bullshit but Spurs balked, and so Lakers signed LeBron instead so Kawhi went to Clippers.
Should I.....should I keep going?
In t:lolday's NBA....players just say where they want to go and expect it to happen. It's literally happening with Kyrie right now and sadly...it works a lot of the time.
The category was free agents, and if they do the Kyrie trade, they won’t be able to pull off a trade heist until 2031, the next pick that would be clear to trade. Either the 2027 pick or the 2029 pick, unprotected, would be gold.
baseline bum
08-12-2022, 09:55 PM
The NBA is a mess. It lives the constant news cycle of superstar machinations, but it kills the concept of teams imo.
So, I’m torn. As a Spurs fan I would love for us to somehow unload players that are not in our timeline and get assets in return. On the other hand I love the idea of seeing LeBron and Durant stuck in the situation of their making.
I look at it as win-win.
jjspur
08-13-2022, 05:43 PM
Any trade for Westbrook is a bad trade whether its the Nets, the spurs, pacers whomever. I just can't see how two future picks from the lakers are worth Westbrook's 47 million dollar salary.
Fact 1 Getting rid of Westbrook's salary will immediately help the Lakers no matter how much players and salary they take back.
Fact 2 Whomever gets Westbrook will possibly buy him him out saving a few million dollars but essentially losing 40 plus million dollars in the transaction, all while he plays for another team.
Fact 3 Yes you will get 2 1st round picks but that's 5 and 7 years from now. The lakers will find some schmuck team to trade some of their aging or half ass talent for picks in the meantime.
fact 4 You will also have to give the lakers some players. The spurs don't have that much talent to begin with and we are close to the bottom already. Sending some talent to the lakers will make us even worse for a few more years. Does any team want that ?
Look the solution in simple. The lakers created their own mess with Russ. Let them work it out, we don't have to help them. The lakers are just waiting for some team to blink. If the lakers somehow manage to unload Russ, they'll be laughing their asses all the way to the bank. The lakers don't care about draft picks 5-7 years from now, they care about getting rid of Russ - and competing now that's it. LeBron isn't going to be happy unless they get rid of Russ. All they need is a sucker team. Please let it not be the spurs. I'd rather they paid all their unused salary on our players rather on a washed up Russ.
There are better ways to get 2 future picks than wasting 40 plus million dollars for a washed up player that isn't worth a quarter of his salary.
KingKev
08-13-2022, 05:56 PM
Any trade for Westbrook is a bad trade whether its the Nets, the spurs, pacers whomever. I just can't see how two future picks from the lakers are worth Westbrook's 47 million dollar salary.
Fact 1 Getting rid of Westbrook's salary will immediately help the Lakers no matter how much players and salary they take back.
Fact 2 Whomever gets Westbrook will possibly buy him him out saving a few million dollars but essentially losing 40 plus million dollars in the transaction, all while he plays for another team.
Fact 3 Yes you will get 2 1st round picks but that's 5 and 7 years from now. The lakers will find some schmuck team to trade some of their aging or half ass talent for picks in the meantime.
fact 4 You will also have to give the lakers some players. The spurs don't have that much talent to begin with and we are close to the bottom already. Sending some talent to the lakers will make us even worse for a few more years. Does any team want that ?
Look the solution in simple. The lakers created their own mess with Russ. Let them work it out, we don't have to help them. The lakers are just waiting for some team to blink. If the lakers somehow manage to unload Russ, they'll be laughing their asses all the way to the bank. The lakers don't care about draft picks 5-7 years from now, they care about getting rid of Russ - and competing now that's it. LeBron isn't going to be happy unless they get rid of Russ. All they need is a sucker team. Please let it not be the spurs. I'd rather they paid all their unused salary on our players rather on a washed up Russ.
There are better ways to get 2 future picks than wasting 40 plus million dollars for a washed up player that isn't worth a quarter of his salary.
Fact: that cap will be a sunk cost for us. If we could get a franchise altering draft pick for it you fking do it.
jjspur
08-13-2022, 08:42 PM
Fact: that cap will be a sunk cost for us. If we could get a franchise altering draft pick for it you fking do it.
We are already knee deep into trying to get a franchise altering draft pick for next year. Taking Russ off the lakers hands won't help us. Not me, not you or Miss Cleo know where the 27 and 29 Laker draft picks will land, but odds are they wont be a top 5 pick in either 27 or 29. So much for a franchise altering draft pick
We are going to be bad this year unfortunately, so we tank for Wembayama its the logical thing to do. If we don't get him, there are other decent players we can draft to help us. We can do all of this without helping the lakers one bit. I'm sure Pop would say Screw the lakers, Russ is their problem.
KingKev
08-13-2022, 09:04 PM
We are already knee deep into trying to get a franchise altering draft pick for next year. Taking Russ off the lakers hands won't help us. Not me, not you or Miss Cleo know where the 27 and 29 Laker draft picks will land, but odds are they wont be a top 5 pick in either 27 or 29. So much for a franchise altering draft pick
We are going to be bad this year unfortunately, so we tank for Wembayama its the logical thing to do. If we don't get him, there are other decent players we can draft to help us. We can do all of this without helping the lakers one bit. I'm sure Pop would say Screw the lakers, Russ is their problem.
Stubborn Pop is a big reason we have been bottom of the league since Leonard exited. Prideful nature will be the death of this franchise. You need to allocate this 35mm in cap space in the coming months to help sustain our future. If it means helping the Lakers in the short term so be it.
Seventyniner
08-13-2022, 09:17 PM
Think of it this way: if it was a team other than the Lakers that made the same offer, would you take it?
If so, you should take the offer from the Lakers too because otherwise you're just cutting off your nose to spite your face.
jjspur
08-14-2022, 09:29 AM
Think of it this way: if it was a team other than the Lakers that made the same offer, would you take it?
If so, you should take the offer from the Lakers too because otherwise you're just cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I think of it this way. I hate tanking but I get why the spurs are doing it. I also get get spending cap money now for a future benefit. There are a ton of overpriced nba players that we could spend our cap money on and possibly get a future return also. Those type of players are overpriced but not necessarily useless like Russ. The lakers made a bad decision signing Russ. We know it, they know it, now they're trying to make lemonaide out of the lemon they traded for.
Teams are slowing figuring out some players just aren't worth their max salaries especially towards the end of their careers (John Wall comes to mind) . So they try to dump them on on some desperate team essentially fleecing them with the lure of draft picks way way down the road. Odds are, the lakers won't be bad that long. Some team will eventually bite.
If the spurs are going to spend their cap space, and it looks like they are willing to, look for the best deal possible. This Russ deal just isn't it. You really don't get anything now and what you do get 5-7 years from now is iffy at best. Lets look for a better deal to spend our cap space on.
rankingtear
08-14-2022, 10:31 AM
I think of it this way. I hate tanking but I get why the spurs are doing it. I also get get spending cap money now for a future benefit. There are a ton of overpriced nba players that we could spend our cap money on and possibly get a future return also. Those type of players are overpriced but not necessarily useless like Russ. The lakers made a bad decision signing Russ. We know it, they know it, now they're trying to make lemonaide out of the lemon they traded for.
Teams are slowing figuring out some players just aren't worth their max salaries especially towards the end of their careers (John Wall comes to mind) . So they try to dump them on on some desperate team essentially fleecing them with the lure of draft picks way way down the road. Odds are, the lakers won't be bad that long. Some team will eventually bite.
If the spurs are going to spend their cap space, and it looks like they are willing to, look for the best deal possible. This Russ deal just isn't it. You really don't get anything now and what you do get 5-7 years from now is iffy at best. Lets look for a better deal to spend our cap space on.
Best case scenario is you hit on your own picks during the tank and trade those unprotected for a third star to open a championship window. It was never the primary goal to make those picks. Three protected would get you a late lottery pick, 3 unprotected would get you an all nba player.
KingKev
08-14-2022, 10:34 AM
Part of the value in unprotected picks if that they are further out.
It’s not “iffy” it’s an unknown like most other variables in this rebuild.
So are the unprotected picks from Atlanta “iffy” also?
jjspur
08-14-2022, 02:27 PM
Part of the value in unprotected picks if that they are further out.
It’s not “iffy” it’s an unknown like most other variables in this rebuild.
So are the unprotected picks from Atlanta “iffy” also?
Firstly we got a pick from the hornets which could be conveyed as early as next year or within two more years. That's a reasonable time frame.
The 1st Atlanta unprotected draft pick is in 2025 which is also in a reasonable time frame. The second Atlanta pick is in 2027, but that's because of the Ted Stepien rule. Can't change that. Even with the addition of Murray, I still don't see the hawks as a top 5 eastern conference team. They are directly competing with several up and coming teams that could knock them down a few notches making our Atlanta picks less "iffy" and more valuable. I can see why they traded Murray for those picks.
The lakers are a totally different story. In 5 -7 years, Lebron will be long retired or moved on and Ad will have easily broken down already. Some people might say, yea the lakers will be bad by then. That wont happen. After ridding themselves from Lebron's , AD, and Russ's salaries, they will have tons of money to lure free agents and even sign other ring chasers for minimum contracts like they do every year just because they are the stinking Lakers with their 17 championships. They may not win a championship, but they will probably be much closer to it than Atlanta, making their Laker picks more "iffy" and less valuable to the spurs.
KingKev
08-14-2022, 02:33 PM
Firstly we got a pick from the hornets which could be conveyed as early as next year or within two more years. That's a reasonable time frame.
The 1st Atlanta unprotected draft pick is in 2025 which is also in a reasonable time frame. The second Atlanta pick is in 2027, but that's because of the Ted Stepien rule. Can't change that. Even with the addition of Murray, I still don't see the hawks as a top 5 eastern conference team. They are directly competing with several up and coming teams that could knock them down a few notches making our Atlanta picks less "iffy" and more valuable. I can see why they traded Murray for those picks.
The lakers are a totally different story. In 5 -7 years, Lebron will be long retired or moved on and Ad will have easily broken down already. Some people might say, yea the lakers will be bad by then. That wont happen. After ridding themselves from Lebron's , AD, and Russ's salaries, they will have tons of money to lure free agents and even sign other ring chasers for minimum contracts like they do every year just because they are the stinking Lakers with their 17 championships. They may not win a championship, but they will probably be much closer to it than Atlanta, making their Laker picks more "iffy" and less valuable to the spurs.
You are just complaining.
KingKev
08-14-2022, 03:07 PM
The Lakers are one of the most boom or bust franchises in the NBA.
If we could send McD for Russ and an unprotected FRP or something along those lines you absolutely do that. There doesn't seem to be much other opportunity for our cap that will otherwise go un used.
exstatic
08-14-2022, 04:32 PM
The Lakers are one of the most boom or bust franchises in the NBA.
If we could send McD for Russ and an unprotected FRP or something along those lines you absolutely do that. There doesn't seem to be much other opportunity for our cap that will otherwise go un used.
There are other opportunities, just not for a UFRP. Phoenix is looking to shed $16M or so, and GS’s owner is making complaining noises about the tax.
MultiTroll
08-14-2022, 05:36 PM
There are other opportunities, just not for a UFRP. Phoenix is looking to shed $16M or so, and GS’s owner is making complaining noises about the tax.
Old news / a McForbes thread better place but.....
Who exactly made the call to sign McForbesbot?
KingKev
08-14-2022, 06:55 PM
There are other opportunities, just not for a UFRP. Phoenix is looking to shed $16M or so, and GS’s owner is making complaining noises about the tax.
Warriors aren’t giving you a damn thing. Phx might eventuallly
cough up an FRP for taking Saric. There you go not a whole lot.
Allan Rowe vs Wade
08-14-2022, 07:37 PM
i'm ok with PATFO taking on Russ and trading with the Lakers but only IF they truly believe it will make the Lakers worse in the mid-long-term
Ice009
08-16-2022, 12:36 AM
There are other opportunities, just not for a UFRP. Phoenix is looking to shed $16M or so, and GS’s owner is making complaining noises about the tax.
Is a possible use of the cap space the Spurs could get a player from another team they might want to keep, or do you think no teams are going to trade such a player to the Spurs?
tbdog
08-16-2022, 05:53 AM
Is a possible use of the cap space the Spurs could get a player from another team they might want to keep, or do you think no teams are going to trade such a player to the Spurs?
Deadline is always a good time to have cap space. Teams that are over the cap will give up a pick to save 10 million, for example.
exstatic
08-16-2022, 06:27 AM
Is a possible use of the cap space the Spurs could get a player from another team they might want to keep, or do you think no teams are going to trade such a player to the Spurs?
A player who the Spurs would want to keep, long term, wouldn’t come with a draft pick attached, most likely.
KingKev
08-16-2022, 07:30 AM
Deadline is always a good time to have cap space. Teams that are over the cap will give up a pick to save 10 million, for example.
It’s increasingly SRPs that change hands for cap relief.
rankingtear
08-16-2022, 08:24 AM
It’s increasingly SRPs that change hands for cap relief.
We did get a first from TOR from that deal. One of the main motivation for them is to get under the tax. It is more than them wanting Thad.
KingKev
08-16-2022, 08:55 AM
We did get a first from TOR from that deal. One of the main motivation for them is to get under the tax. It is more than them wanting Thad.
You are incorrect. The Raptors were brushing up on the luxury tax but were not over and could have easily managed a buffer other ways, including buying out Dragic for 99 cents on the dollar.
We didn't get an FRP in isolation as it cost us the 33rd pick and Thad. The Raptors did indeed want Thad as it gave them a player who’s bird rights they would own come summer 2022, allowing them to use their exceptions elsewhere which they did with Otto Porter.
Ice009
08-18-2022, 06:47 AM
A player who the Spurs would want to keep, long term, wouldn’t come with a draft pick attached, most likely.
No, I meant Spurs just taking a player they might like into their cap space without a draft pick, or trading a draft pick of their own to get the player. Not sure if any teams would be looking to dump anyone that the Spurs might want, though. I guess usually a team doesn't dump a good player for tax purposes. Then again, maybe they would for a draft pick if that player didn't fit. Maybe the Spurs could use their cap space that way.
FutureMan
08-25-2022, 08:18 AM
Beverly to the Lakers.
I have a feeling that a Westbrook trade just became more likely.
What’s the general consensus for where he could land? Spurs, Utah, & Indiana?? Anyone else?
Beverly to the Lakers.
I have a feeling that a Westbrook trade just became more likely.
What’s the general consensus for where he could land? Spurs, Utah, & Indiana?? Anyone else?
Hmm, I think it means a Brick trade is less likely at the moment. Signals Lakers have internalized that Irving is, in fact, staying put, and they’re scrambling for depth.
Ice009
08-25-2022, 08:23 AM
Beverly to the Lakers.
I have a feeling that a Westbrook trade just became more likely.
What’s the general consensus for where he could land? Spurs, Utah, & Indiana?? Anyone else?
Not sure why anyone would want Westbrook. Who can they trade him for? What team would want him? Since they did get Beverly, though, maybe the are looking to trade for a player in a different position and slot Beverly in at PG? I guess if there is a team looking to dump someone and get 1 or 2 unprotected draft picks from the Lakers for their troubles.
FutureMan
08-25-2022, 10:30 AM
Hmm, I think it means a Brick trade is less likely at the moment. Signals Lakers have internalized that Irving is, in fact, staying put, and they’re scrambling for depth.
I could see them trading Westbrook to the Spurs for solid role players and keeping the cap space open for next year for Irving. Richardson and Poeltl for an unprotected pick and a pick swap. A three team trade with Utah that gets the Lakers Bogdonovic could be possible. Lakers walking into 2023-24 season with at least Lebron, Irving, Davis, Richardson, Bogdonovic, Beverly, Poeltl and vet mins isn’t a terrible plan.
KingKev
08-25-2022, 11:21 AM
I could see them trading Westbrook to the Spurs for solid role players and keeping the cap space open for next year for Irving. Richardson and Poeltl for an unprotected pick and a pick swap. A three team trade with Utah that gets the Lakers Bogdonovic could be possible. Lakers walking into 2023-24 season with at least Lebron, Irving, Davis, Richardson, Bogdonovic, Beverly, Poeltl and vet mins isn’t a terrible plan.
That math doesn’t add up. No way they can retain those guys and sign Irving outright next season unless he takes money off the table.
they have 90mm tied up between LBJ and AD for a projected 130mm salary cap in 2023. They need to trade Russ now for players who’s bird rights they receive NOW.
exstatic
08-25-2022, 11:31 AM
I could see them trading Westbrook to the Spurs for solid role players and keeping the cap space open for next year for Irving. Richardson and Poeltl for an unprotected pick and a pick swap. A three team trade with Utah that gets the Lakers Bogdonovic could be possible. Lakers walking into 2023-24 season with at least Lebron, Irving, Davis, Richardson, Bogdonovic, Beverly, Poeltl and vet mins isn’t a terrible plan.
LA won't have cap space next year. They'll still be over. The only chance they have to get him is to trade him into our cap space, creating a trade exception, and using that exception to go after Kyrie.
Seventyniner
08-25-2022, 11:36 AM
LA won't have cap space next year. They'll still be over. The only chance they have to get him is to trade him into our cap space, creating a trade exception, and using that exception to go after Kyrie.
Do the Spurs have enough cap space to give the Lakers a big enough trade exception to fit Irving's first year salary next summer? It might be close given the signings of Dieng and Wieskamp.
buttsR4rebounding
08-25-2022, 11:44 AM
Do the Spurs have enough cap space to give the Lakers a big enough trade exception to fit Irving's first year salary next summer? It might be close given the signings of Dieng and Wieskamp.
I believe Wieskamp can be waived before the season starts with no guaranteed money if that made a difference. The Lakers need to find complimentary role players to put around LBJ and AD. I wouldn't be surprised to see Irving have a great year, Simmons prove to be a great fit and the Nets make it at least to the ECF and Irving re-sign with the Nets. Winning in Brooklyn will solve lots of problems.
The Truth #6
08-25-2022, 12:02 PM
Lakers need shooting. We don’t need McBuckets. Seems like a good starting point. As for not helping the Lakers, they are still gonna suck even with Westbrook off the team; Lebron and AD need too much rest and the rest of the team sucks.
exstatic
08-25-2022, 12:04 PM
I believe Wieskamp can be waived before the season starts with no guaranteed money if that made a difference. The Lakers need to find complimentary role players to put around LBJ and AD. I wouldn't be surprised to see Irving have a great year, Simmons prove to be a great fit and the Nets make it at least to the ECF and Irving re-sign with the Nets. Winning in Brooklyn will solve lots of problems.
Wieskamp allegedly has the first year guaranteed, but Alize is a make good, with only a little guaranteed money out of $2M.
KingKev
08-25-2022, 12:30 PM
Lakers need shooting. We don’t need McBuckets. Seems like a good starting point. As for not helping the Lakers, they are still gonna suck even with Westbrook off the team; Lebron and AD need too much rest and the rest of the team sucks.
McDougal’s contract isn’t very appealing. That extra year makes no sense for the Lakers. I’d also argue 40% or so is nice but he does it on low volume (for today’s NBA) at around 5 attempts per game. He’s never been a volume 3 pt sniper in his entire career. He is very overrated on this board.
cool cat
08-25-2022, 12:38 PM
I hate Westbrook the player, but would love to see him command the tank for the Spurs.
The Truth #6
08-25-2022, 01:04 PM
McDougal’s contract isn’t very appealing. That extra year makes no sense for the Lakers. I’d also argue 40% or so is nice but he does it on low volume (for today’s NBA) at around 5 attempts per game. He’s never been a volume 3 pt sniper in his entire career. He is very overrated on this board.
I think he sucks, just to clarify, and see no reason for him to be on the team since he will be given minutes that someone else needs.
KingKev
08-25-2022, 01:53 PM
I think he sucks, just to clarify, and see no reason for him to be on the team since he will be given minutes that someone else needs.
Yeah, I’m aware of your view and concur, wholeheartedly! I sometimes enjoy beating a dead horse when I yell McDermott is a negative asset. He’ll be on the final roster only because it will cost to move him and 25 mins a night if McD is good for the downside (which is actually the upside).
NASpurs
08-25-2022, 02:23 PM
Westbrick would be a great addition just for the lawls.
lefty
08-25-2022, 02:24 PM
Nah she should stay in L.A
Russ+Pat Bev will be entertaining AF
Seventyniner
08-25-2022, 03:02 PM
Nah she should stay in L.A
Russ+Pat Bev will be entertaining AF
Beverly tearing Westbrook's ACL again (in practice) would be perfect for the Lakers. Then they could dump him without having to tacitly admit that he's a net negative on the court.
lefty
08-25-2022, 03:15 PM
Beverly tearing Westbrook's ACL again (in practice) would be perfect for the Lakers. Then they could dump him without having to tacitly admit that he's a net negative on the court.
Maybe that's actually Pelinka's plan
TD 21
08-25-2022, 04:15 PM
I could see them trading Westbrook to the Spurs for solid role players and keeping the cap space open for next year for Irving. Richardson and Poeltl for an unprotected pick and a pick swap. A three team trade with Utah that gets the Lakers Bogdonovic could be possible. Lakers walking into 2023-24 season with at least Lebron, Irving, Davis, Richardson, Bogdonovic, Beverly, Poeltl and vet mins isn’t a terrible plan.
They already have the ideal C setup with Davis' insistence on starting as the nominal PF, which is a fringe starter (Bryant) who can stretch the floor and a fringe rotation player (Jones) who can provide vertical spacing.
They're good enough to be "inning eaters" during the regular season, but not good/big enough names for the team to concern themselves with how they'll react when they have their roles reduced in certain matchups and if/when they get to the play-in/offs.
Westbrook probably ends up traded to the Pacers or Jazz before the season starts, gets bought out and is without a team to start the season.
cool cat
10-20-2022, 11:03 PM
After tonights game we need to get him ASAP!!!
Ice009
10-21-2022, 07:12 AM
Why, what happened in the game?
mo7888
10-21-2022, 07:25 AM
Why, what happened in the game?
He was 0-11 and only had 2 points...
I'd offer Jak, McD, Rich for WB and 2 firsts and a swap and leave it on the table...LA will come around to that if they can't find something better especially as Bron keeps complaining...
RC_Drunkford
10-21-2022, 10:48 AM
After tonights game we need to get him ASAP!!!
nah let it marinate
objective
10-21-2022, 01:06 PM
He was 0-11 and only had 2 points...
I'd offer Jak, McD, Rich for WB and 2 firsts and a swap and leave it on the table...LA will come around to that if they can't find something better especially as Bron keeps complaining...
100%
A Poeltl trade by itself to a different team, even for 2 firsts, probably won't be unprotected. And 2 firsts is a big stretch. Just put him in LA. Davis is sick of playing center.
Probably should ask to take Damion Jones back, need another body for minutes at center
SpursforSix
10-21-2022, 01:09 PM
Oh man...that would be an awesome documentary. And possibly even a funny sitcom.
Ignazzz
10-21-2022, 02:09 PM
Turner And Hield better deal
He was 0-11 and only had 2 points...
I'd offer Jak, McD, Rich for WB and 2 firsts and a swap and leave it on the table...LA will come around to that if they can't find something better especially as Bron keeps complaining...
Agree with this framework.
TD 21
10-21-2022, 03:48 PM
100%
A Poeltl trade by itself to a different team, even for 2 firsts, probably won't be unprotected. And 2 firsts is a big stretch. Just put him in LA. Davis is sick of playing center.
Probably should ask to take Damion Jones back, need another body for minutes at center
My sense is Poeltl is worth a lottery protected 1st and a flyer on a fading prospect.
Lakers don't make sense since even in a Davis primarily masquerading as a PF scenario, the C has to be able to space the floor.
The best the Lakers can probably do, is something like Westbrook and Nunn for Rozier III and Hayward.
Both sides probably argue they deserve a pick: Hornets for giving them value, namely in Rozier III; Lakers for taking on a lot of long-term money, some of which is for an injury prone, fading player in Hayward.
tbdog
10-21-2022, 04:38 PM
Agree with this framework.
Lakers can get turner and Hield. Spurs would need to lower it to 1 pick to have a shot.
Lakers may soon join the tank fiesta tbh.. They're one Lebron big injury away...
exstatic
10-21-2022, 05:06 PM
Lakers can get turner and Hield. Spurs would need to lower it to 1 pick to have a shot.
Hield is fading fast. His last 3 seasons 3G%: .366 .368 .362. That’s sounds OK, but with Buddy, if he’s not around 40-42%, he’s a net negative, because he literally does nothing else. He made his bones with seasons of 42,43,42%, and Sacto was smart to dump him before he completely cratered. He creeping up on 30.
Turner is more or less a traditional big who can stretch some, but not really switch on D.
dbestpro
10-21-2022, 05:13 PM
Lakers can get turner and Hield. Spurs would need to lower it to 1 pick to have a shot.
If they can do then they should get it done before Indiana has second thoughts.
baseline bum
10-21-2022, 05:17 PM
Lakers may soon join the tank fiesta tbh.. They're one Lebron big injury away...
LMAO if that happens since the Pelicans have the right to swap picks
LkrFan
10-21-2022, 05:57 PM
My sense is Poeltl is worth a lottery protected 1st and a flyer on a fading prospect.
Lakers don't make sense since even in a Davis primarily masquerading as a PF scenario, the C has to be able to space the floor.
The best the Lakers can probably do, is something like Westbrook and Nunn for Rozier III and Hayward.
Both sides probably argue they deserve a pick: Hornets for giving them value, namely in Rozier III; Lakers for taking on a lot of long-term money, some of which is for an injury prone, fading player in Hayward.
Poeltl ain't worth no 1st c'mon man :lol
Chomag
10-21-2022, 06:03 PM
Stop....even when tanking I don't want Westbrick anywhere near this team. Not because of his play but I would hate for his toxicity to wear down on our young guys.
baseline bum
10-21-2022, 06:52 PM
Stop....even when tanking I don't want Westbrick anywhere near this team. Not because of his play but I would hate for his toxicity to wear down on our young guys.
He'd obviously be bought out
offset formation
10-21-2022, 07:03 PM
Poeltl ain't worth no 1st c'mon man :lol
You can resist all you want but someone is taking both them firsts from you guys if you have any attention whatsoever of upgrading your roster while Lebron's abilities are still in his championship window
offset formation
10-21-2022, 07:09 PM
He'd obviously be bought out
It might not make sense for him to want a buyout...
Where does he go after that? Can he swallow his pride to go play for 7M/year or so somewhere?
There aren't many teams that make sense for him at all.
The Truth #6
10-21-2022, 07:20 PM
Yak, McD, and JRich make sense in that they are low drama at least.
baseline bum
10-21-2022, 07:50 PM
It might not make sense for him to want a buyout...
Where does he go after that? Can he swallow his pride to go play for 7M/year or so somewhere?
There aren't many teams that make sense for him at all.
So the Spurs could just pay him to stay home then. Either way.
gambit1990
10-21-2022, 08:56 PM
It might not make sense for him to want a buyout...
Where does he go after that? Can he swallow his pride to go play for 7M/year or so somewhere?
if he agrees to a buyout then he'll end up with at least 75% of that 42 million.
everyone who agrees to a buyout winds up signing with another team for pennies on the dollar (compared to their last contract), because of the money from the buyout.
gambit1990
10-21-2022, 08:59 PM
i'm pretty torn TBH because part of me still wants to see him as a spur.
he doesn't really fit on this roster ... i really think russ needs to play with a true PG.
offset formation
10-21-2022, 10:06 PM
if he agrees to a buyout then he'll end up with at least 75% of that 42 million.
everyone who agrees to a buyout winds up signing with another team for pennies on the dollar (compared to their last contract), because of the money from the buyout.
Yes, but I'm talking about signing a multi year deal. Otherwise he becomes a nba journeyman for the remainder of his career with declining contracts each year. A buyout is the beginning of the end for him.
exstatic
10-21-2022, 11:32 PM
Yes, but I'm talking about signing a multi year deal. Otherwise he becomes a nba journeyman for the remainder of his career with declining contracts each year. A buyout is the beginning of the end for him.
He’s on the Carmelo arc. A journeyman is literally what he is now. If he accepts that like Carmelo eventually did, he could play another 4 years. If not, he might be done. This is what happens to players who lean heavy on athleticism instead of fundamentals. They age badly and quickly.
KingKev
10-22-2022, 08:18 AM
He’s on the Carmelo arc. A journeyman is literally what he is now. If he accepts that like Carmelo eventually did, he could play another 4 years. If not, he might be done. This is what happens to players who lean heavy on athleticism instead of fundamentals. They age badly and quickly.
Yeah it’s a shame because he can still salvage his legacy, extend his career and help a contender win but he needs to do it asap in the right situation.
Like you made your damn money, go play for an up and coming playoff team and make your mark again.
baseline bum
10-22-2022, 10:06 AM
Yes, but I'm talking about signing a multi year deal. Otherwise he becomes a nba journeyman for the remainder of his career with declining contracts each year. A buyout is the beginning of the end for him.
I'd be surprised if Westbrook is in the league next season. Not working out in Houston was the beginning of the end for him. Being traded from LA is the end of the end.
TD 21
10-22-2022, 11:32 AM
Poeltl ain't worth no 1st c'mon man :lol
:lmao Typical casual who doesn't follow the league outside of their own team. Probably looked at his counting stats and concluded he wasn't very good.
LkrFan
10-22-2022, 12:43 PM
You can resist all you want but someone is taking both them firsts from you guys if you have any attention whatsoever of upgrading your roster while Lebron's abilities are still in his championship window
:cry
LkrFan
10-22-2022, 12:48 PM
:lmao Typical casual who doesn't follow the league outside of their own team. Probably looked at his counting stats and concluded he wasn't very good.
Maybe, maybe not. However, I'd rather the Indy deal. Why? There are at least 4 centers in the west that would worry me: Joker*, Ayton*, Gobert, and maybe Nurk.
Poeltl does not move the needle for me. And given our history, Pop will try to bend us over for Richardson, McBuckets and Poeltl? Naaaaah. Miss me with that nonsense son :lol.
*plays on an expected contender.
R. DeMurre
10-22-2022, 01:13 PM
The Pelicans are salivating right now over their pick swap with the Lakers in the next draft. Hopefully the Spurs can be in a similar position in 2026 with Boston. People forget that Scottie Pippen was drafted by Seattle with a pick swap, but then they traded him on draft day. Good article here on how rarely pick swaps convey, but how great they can be in rare circumstances: https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/10/12/23399637/nba-draft-swap-picks
mo7888
10-22-2022, 01:32 PM
Maybe, maybe not. However, I'd rather the Indy deal. Why? There are at least 4 centers in the west that would worry me: Joker*, Ayton*, Gobert, and maybe Nurk.
Poeltl does not move the needle for me. And given our history, Pop will try to bend us over for Richardson, McBuckets and Poeltl? Naaaaah. Miss me with that nonsense son :lol.
*plays on an expected contender.
Bend you over?(where is baseline bum)... first round picks 4 to 6 years down the road isn't getting bent over... you do realize you have very little to offer right? If you want something appreciably better than the Spurs package you're gonna have to build something around AD.
baseline bum
10-22-2022, 01:37 PM
Maybe, maybe not. However, I'd rather the Indy deal. Why? There are at least 4 centers in the west that would worry me: Joker*, Ayton*, Gobert, and maybe Nurk.
Poeltl does not move the needle for me. And given our history, Pop will try to bend us over for Richardson, McBuckets and Poeltl? Naaaaah. Miss me with that nonsense son :lol.
*plays on an expected contender.
LOL bending you over. Westbrook is an extremely negative asset, I don't know why Laker fans can't understand that despite seeing how shitty he is every night. He's basically just setting $48 million on fire to whoever trades for him because he is completely unplayable.
LkrFan
10-22-2022, 03:32 PM
LOL bending you over. Westbrook is an extremely negative asset, I don't know why Laker fans can't understand that despite seeing how shitty he is every night. He's basically just setting $48 million on fire to whoever trades for him because he is completely unplayable.
Which expiring was worst?
2008: Kwame at $9M
2022: Westbrick at $47M
We saw what Kwame's contract did for Grit & Grind. Remember 8!? :lol
Given the immediate cap relief any team that trades for Russ will get, I ain't getting bent over just to get rid of Russ.
I don't care what you farmers say :lol
LkrFan
10-22-2022, 03:37 PM
Bend you over?(where is baseline bum)... first round picks 4 to 6 years down the road isn't getting bent over... you do realize you have very little to offer right? If you want something appreciably better than the Spurs package you're gonna have to build something around AD.
Yup, bent over. History tells me whenever the Lakers lose a franchise player, they suck for a while before poaching another disgruntled star from a small market team:
Last Showtime title: 1988. Kareem retired in 1989. Next title: 2000.
Last Shaq and Kobe title: 2002. Next title: 2010.
Last Kobe and MVPau title: 2010. Next title: 2020.
We know Anthony Day to Day Davis is brittle. Bron will be long gone by 2027, let along 2029.
Whoever the Lakers trade those picks to might win the lottery those years. I can't take a chance on that being the Sp*rs :lol
baseline bum
10-22-2022, 03:43 PM
Which expiring was worst?
2008: Kwame at $9M
2022: Westbrick at $47M
We saw what Kwame's contract did for Grit & Grind. Remember 8!? :lol
Given the immediate cap relief any team that trades for Russ will get, I ain't getting bent over just to get rid of Russ.
I don't care what you farmers say :lol
Even though Marc Gasol wasn't much of a prospect when that trade was made, you don't even have anyone like that you could throw in this time. No Crittenton either. And now Jerry West works for the Clippers so you're not getting him to just hand you a star like it was 2008 again. Brick is pure cancer. Even when Spencer Haywood almost died in practice he was still aging better than Westbrook.
mo7888
10-22-2022, 03:53 PM
Yup, bent over. History tells me whenever the Lakers lose a franchise player, they suck for a while before poaching another disgruntled star from a small market team:
Last Showtime title: 1988. Kareem retired in 1989. Next title: 2000.
Last Shaq and Kobe title: 2002. Next title: 2010.
Last Kobe and MVPau title: 2010. Next title: 2020.
We know Anthony Day to Day Davis is brittle. Bron will be long gone by 2027, let along 2029.
Whoever the Lakers trade those picks to might win the lottery those years. I can't take a chance on that being the Sp*rs :lol
So instead of competing now you'd rather suck now...and suck when you get to those picks in 4 years....that's some breathtaking logic right there...
baseline bum
10-22-2022, 04:15 PM
So instead of competing now you'd rather suck now...and suck when you get to those picks in 4 years....that's some breathtaking logic right there...
And LOL sucking right now when NOP gets to swap their pick with the LOLkers
RC_Drunkford
10-22-2022, 04:16 PM
Maybe, maybe not. However, I'd rather the Indy deal. Why? There are at least 4 centers in the west that would worry me: Joker*, Ayton*, Gobert, and maybe Nurk.
Poeltl does not move the needle for me. And given our history, Pop will try to bend us over for Richardson, McBuckets and Poeltl? Naaaaah. Miss me with that nonsense son :lol.
*plays on an expected contender.
your LA Avengers are bending over every night :lmao
LkrFan
10-22-2022, 05:12 PM
Even though Marc Gasol wasn't much of a prospect when that trade was made, you don't even have anyone like that you could throw in this time. No Crittenton either. And now Jerry West works for the Clippers so you're not getting him to just hand you a star like it was 2008 again. Brick is pure cancer. Even when Spencer Haywood almost died in practice he was still aging better than Westbrook.
Dayum :lol
LkrFan
10-22-2022, 05:12 PM
your LA Avengers are bending over every night :lmao
:cry
LkrFan
10-22-2022, 05:14 PM
So instead of competing now you'd rather suck now...and suck when you get to those picks in 4 years....that's some breathtaking logic right there...
We got picks (swaps) but we got em. :lol
And :lol at you tryna force the Spurs to sodomize the Lakers with a spiked 14-incher :lol
I'd rather the Indy deal if that's the case :lol
LkrFan
10-22-2022, 05:15 PM
DP
talkspurs
10-22-2022, 05:44 PM
I would still send them mc Dermot and a trade exception for their 28 pick and 27 pick swap. This would give them some room to go after another player but if they dont they would still get below the cap giving them savings. I know some will say lakers could care less about the tax but I think all of them care about it but some teams care less then others.
As for the picks. It would give them only giving up one pick. And then if we good we could swap in 27 and 28 (Celtics) in stead of having them both in the same year.
baseline bum
10-22-2022, 06:26 PM
We got picks (swaps) but we got em. :lol
And :lol at you tryna force the Spurs to sodomize the Lakers with a spiked 14-incher :lol
I'd rather the Indy deal if that's the case :lol
Oh yeah another big man who is in street clothes half the season is the answer to the Lakers problems. Think I'd take Poeltl over Turner if I'm Pelinka, but he took Brick so who knows WTF he's thinking.
mystargtr34
10-22-2022, 07:25 PM
Oh yeah another big man who is in street clothes half the season is the answer to the Lakers problems. Think I'd take Poeltl over Turner if I'm Pelinka, but he took Brick so who knows WTF he's thinking.
Agree. In a vacuum I would take Poeltl over Turner due to his injury history. At least Jak will provide cover for AD when he misses his 30 games a season. Turner also runs like he's 50.
Are J-Rich + McDermott worth more than Hield? Hard to say. I would take Hield but he's also a below average defender. Not McDermott level bad but worse than J-Rich.
LkrFan
10-22-2022, 07:51 PM
Oh yeah another big man who is in street clothes half the season is the answer to the Lakers problems. Think I'd take Poeltl over Turner if I'm Pelinka, but he took Brick so who knows WTF he's thinking.
^ truth bombs :cry :lol
LkrFan
10-22-2022, 07:53 PM
Agree. In a vacuum I would take Poeltl over Turner due to his injury history. At least Jak will provide cover for AD when he misses his 30 games a season. Turner also runs like he's 50.
Are J-Rich + McDermott worth more than Hield? Hard to say. I would take Hield but he's also a below average defender. Not McDermott level bad but worse than J-Rich.
J-Rich a chocolate matador on defense too? 1 FRP (2027). Take it or leave it son. :lol
mo7888
10-22-2022, 08:07 PM
J-Rich a chocolate matador on defense too? 1 FRP (2027). Take it or leave it son. :lol
Y'all just keep WB....lol
LkrFan
10-22-2022, 08:12 PM
Y'all just keep WB....lol
:lol
Waiting for the Beal-Brick trade.
I’m here in the DC area and desperate to move on from Beal.
offset formation
10-22-2022, 09:51 PM
Yup, bent over. History tells me whenever the Lakers lose a franchise player, they suck for a while before poaching another disgruntled star from a small market team:
Last Showtime title: 1988. Kareem retired in 1989. Next title: 2000.
Last Shaq and Kobe title: 2002. Next title: 2010.
Last Kobe and MVPau title: 2010. Next title: 2020.
We know Anthony Day to Day Davis is brittle. Bron will be long gone by 2027, let along 2029.
Whoever the Lakers trade those picks to might win the lottery those years. I can't take a chance on that being the Sp*rs :lol
At least you acknowledge your unequaled and unfair advantage to reset without having to do it through the draft. It must be good to be king. Meanwhile these peasants will do it the earnest way.
offset formation
10-22-2022, 09:52 PM
Waiting for the Beal-Brick trade.
I’m here in the DC area and desperate to move on from Beal.
Oddly enough they actually played fairly well together.
ambchang
10-23-2022, 10:06 AM
At least you acknowledge your unequaled and unfair advantage to reset without having to do it through the draft. It must be good to be king. Meanwhile these peasants will do it the earnest way.
The issue is that teams, especially small market teams, too often yields to pressure from the media and the media continuously and unashamedly throw out these lopsided deals for the lakers Knicks and Celtics, then say it’s the small market teams fault for not taking them.
Small markets are oftentimes reliant on the media to help market their team as well so the balance of power is always with the big market teams.
Of course there’s always the issue with small markets not appealing to players and they know the superstars will just leave first chance they get so they trade those players Pennies on the dollar.
The lakers front office would’ve ran the team to the ground in any other market and likely would have the team moved to Seattle by now. Those are a bunch of incompetent dunces
John B
10-23-2022, 11:46 AM
Lakers are dying for shooters. McD could be a good fit. I bet they’d ask for JRich too but I think he could be a late FRP by himself to a contender. But if Spurs want to tank, then get rid of both and take Westbrook plus 2 FRP’s. I think McD and JRich fit Lakers seamlessly and should help them. But boy I’d hate to bail the Lakers out :lol
Chomag
10-23-2022, 12:30 PM
Lakers are dying for shooters. McD could be a good fit. I bet they’d ask for JRich too but I think he could be a late FRP by himself to a contender. But if Spurs want to tank, then get rid of both and take Westbrook plus 2 FRP’s. I think McD and JRich fit Lakers seamlessly and should help them. But boy I’d hate to bail the Lakers out :lol
I'm in the same boat with you there man. I was totally against this trade but now there is a part of me that wants to warmup to the idea.
However, I get a very ill feeling in my stomach when thinking about us bailing out the Lakers . Besides it's just way to fun to watch that clown show :lol
Idk man, the coast might be to great...
mo7888
10-23-2022, 01:15 PM
Lakers are dying for shooters. McD could be a good fit. I bet they’d ask for JRich too but I think he could be a late FRP by himself to a contender. But if Spurs want to tank, then get rid of both and take Westbrook plus 2 FRP’s. I think McD and JRich fit Lakers seamlessly and should help them. But boy I’d hate to bail the Lakers out :lol
Don't look at it as bailing them out....look at it as making sure they're good enough to keep Nola from getting a top 5 pick with the lakers swap they hold.
John B
10-23-2022, 03:11 PM
Don't look at it as bailing them out....look at it as making sure they're good enough to keep Nola from getting a top 5 pick with the lakers swap they hold.
Soon they would be in each others throat. They could warm up with letting both FRP’s go. Besides JRich and McD are the gunners who they are looking for and will fit with what they have.
TD 21
10-23-2022, 03:35 PM
- Poeltl, I've been over ad nauseam why he makes no sense for the Lakers.
- McDermott, they're not throwing away their upcoming financial flexibility for and he wouldn't solve their biggest issue anyway which is lack of sizable two-way players.
- Richardson makes a lot of sense for them, but their 1st is most likely going to the Pelicans and rather than accept the two 2nds he'll probably fetch on his own, the Spurs will probably try to pursue a Young redux and package him with their 2nd to get a 1st around 20ish.
R. DeMurre
10-23-2022, 03:48 PM
Lakers are losing at halftime right now, and their next next 4 games are @Denver, @Minnesota, vs Denver, & vs New Orleans... it's not inconceivable that they start this season 0-7.
mo7888
10-23-2022, 05:16 PM
Lakers are losing at halftime right now, and their next next 4 games are @Denver, @Minnesota, vs Denver, & vs New Orleans... it's not inconceivable that they start this season 0-7.
Just lost...they're gonna be begging someone to take their picks in about 2 weeks...
I don't think they make the trade with us that I suggested...I think they end up getting less than we could offer... I'm gonna laugh when it happens...
baseline bum
10-23-2022, 05:40 PM
Just lost...they're gonna be begging someone to take their picks in about 2 weeks...
I don't think they make the trade with us that I suggested...I think they end up getting less than we could offer... I'm gonna laugh when it happens...
2 weeks from now their season is over if they don't move Westbrook for something. They either need to make a trade this minute to try to salvage the season or just blow it up and see what they can get for Davis and James on the trade market.
exstatic
10-23-2022, 07:44 PM
Lakers are dying for shooters. McD could be a good fit. I bet they’d ask for JRich too but I think he could be a late FRP by himself to a contender. But if Spurs want to tank, then get rid of both and take Westbrook plus 2 FRP’s. I think McD and JRich fit Lakers seamlessly and should help them. But boy I’d hate to bail the Lakers out :lol
The thing is, the more players/contracts they take back, the smaller their TE, the only way they have of getting a high dollar player next summer. They should really only want JRich, but we should insist that they take McD.
cool cat
10-23-2022, 07:47 PM
I didn’t think the toughest competition in the tank race was going to be the Lakers.
Cabrito
10-23-2022, 08:04 PM
If the Lakers continue to go south, I don’t think they trade Russ, I think they release him outright. The only way they trade him is if they are doing somewhat decent. Why trade assets when you already suck?
Westbrook being a Spur would be embarrassing to the Spurs name at this point
mystargtr34
10-23-2022, 09:19 PM
Surely the Spurs would buy him out. Can’t see them letting him rot the culture of the young group with his low IQ chucking non-defense brand of basketball.
spurraider21
10-23-2022, 09:35 PM
J-Rich a chocolate matador on defense too? 1 FRP (2027). Take it or leave it son. :lol
Sure. 1 FRP for Josh richardson
and 1 FRP for taking westbrook off your hands to make it work
Ice009
10-24-2022, 02:55 AM
Who has the Lakers first round pick this year? Is it NO? If so, I really hope they don't finish on the bottom. Is it unprotected?
LkrFan
10-24-2022, 03:07 AM
Sure. 1 FRP for Josh richardson
and 1 FRP for taking westbrook off your hands to make it work
Deal :cry
LkrFan
10-24-2022, 03:08 AM
Who has the Lakers first round pick this year? Is it NO? If so, I really hope they don't finish on the bottom. Is it unprotected?
Pick swap. The way we playing the Pels will get Wemby :cry
exstatic
10-24-2022, 06:37 AM
Who has the Lakers first round pick this year? Is it NO? If so, I really hope they don't finish on the bottom. Is it unprotected?
Pick swap option, unprotected. If we don’t draw Wemby in the lottery, seeing LA have to hand the pick over is the most entertaining option.
KingKev
10-24-2022, 06:39 AM
If the Lakers continue to go south, I don’t think they trade Russ, I think they release him outright. The only way they trade him is if they are doing somewhat decent. Why trade assets when you already suck?
Releasing him completey fucks them for next offseason. They will have like 10-15mm to spend in free agency only.
They need some form of contracts to come back and/or a TE to be able to make moves next offseason.
ragas
10-24-2022, 08:05 AM
:lmao
https://twitter.com/LakersDailyCom/status/1584321588668735488
exstatic
10-24-2022, 08:11 AM
:lmao
https://twitter.com/LakersDailyCom/status/1584321588668735488
They could have traded for DeRozan last summer instead of WestBrick.
:lmao
https://twitter.com/LakersDailyCom/status/1584321588668735488
Classic dumb dumb.
He’s been doing this shit his whole career.
Seventyniner
10-24-2022, 08:32 AM
Westbrook gives zero fucks right now. I can't see the Lakers holding on to him much longer.
InRareForm
10-24-2022, 09:28 AM
Shams saying it's in talks recently with jrich to Lakers
lefty
10-24-2022, 09:49 AM
Dude is trying hard to be traded, it's the only explanation
Sure his decision making has never been the best but he took that to a whole new level and his body language is very telling.
He would be the perfect tank commander for us
Seventyniner
10-24-2022, 09:51 AM
Shams saying it's in talks recently with jrich to Lakers
Here's the part about the Spurs from his article.
The Lakers have also held preliminary discussions with the Spurs in recent weeks, sources said, showing interest in three-and-D wing Josh Richardson. The 6-foot-5 Richardson has averaged nearly 13 points to start the season, shooting 47.1 percent on 5.67 three-point attempts per game. So expect the Lakers to continue to keep tabs with the Spurs, Hornets and Pacers as a potential trade partner as the season wears on.
For now, the Lakers appear determined to give the current roster a proper sample size of 20-to-25 games and assess their needs. Lakers vice president of basketball operations Rob Pelinka is tasked with balancing the team’s current state versus the future when using the only two first-round picks eligible to be traded for the remainder of this decade. And for the Lakers, the proper deal will take patience, strategy, internal resolve and growth.
This other part makes it seem like the sticking point is the Lakers including both the 2027 and 2029 unprotected picks.
The Lakers and Pacers extensively discussed a potential deal sending Myles Turner and Buddy Hield to L.A. during the offseason, as The Athletic reported in early October, but no deal formed ahead of training camp. The Lakers and Pacers discussed several packages, but Indiana’s demand for both of the Lakers’ first-round picks in 2027 and 2029 prevented a deal from coming to fruition. Turner suffered an ankle sprain during warmups before the Pacers’ season opener last Wednesday, but is expected to return soon.
In a perfect world, the Lakers had hoped Westbrook would find a complimentary role in Ham’s system, but as sources have told The Athletic over the past month, the organization planned to keep an open mind with trade opportunities to improve the team. Potential trade partners across the league have wanted one or two unprotected first-rounders from the Lakers in all deal frameworks, which creates a battle over price and value.
spurraider21
10-24-2022, 10:03 AM
Lakers should have pulled the trigger in the offseason if they wanted to go all-in while Lebron and AD are still playing at a high level. Otherwise they should have been trying to blow it up and move those guys
exstatic
10-24-2022, 11:23 AM
Lakers should have pulled the trigger in the offseason if they wanted to go all-in while Lebron and AD are still playing at a high level. Otherwise they should have been trying to blow it up and move those guys
They can’t blow it up. They have no FRPS from 2023-2026. There’s no way to rebuild.
itzsoweezee
10-24-2022, 12:22 PM
Lakers have got to be desperate at this point. If I were them, I’d take JRich over Hield or Clarkson or some of the other wings that have been mentioned.
spurraider21
10-24-2022, 12:26 PM
They can’t blow it up. They have no FRPS from 2023-2026. There’s no way to rebuild.
moving AD/Lebron can probably get a pick or two
exstatic
10-24-2022, 12:29 PM
moving AD/Lebron can probably get a pick or two
Two guys, making a shit ton of money that have proven that even WITH both, they can’t make the playoffs. They’re both only a year or two behind Russ on the aging curve. No one is giving up any good picks for that.
RC_Drunkford
10-24-2022, 12:41 PM
Let them keep losing. At some point they will be desperate enough to give up those picks
John B
10-24-2022, 12:48 PM
The way I see it, they’ll play it out with Russ instead of taking contracts that would limit them signing Kyrie, et al next season. It’s going to be a circus season that they could’ve avoided had they were tight lips on Westbrook. And Lonnie is in the middle of it. I’d just beast mode, dunk every shot in the brightest spotlight, and earn your next big contract Lonnie.
lefty
10-24-2022, 01:17 PM
Through three games this season, opponents are contesting jump shots by Westbrook only 41.2 percent of the time. According to Second Spectrum, that’s by far the lowest contest rate in NBA tracking data history, which dates back to 2013-14.
R. DeMurre
10-24-2022, 01:26 PM
Remember that one play where Samanic gave up getting back on D, and how that signified the end of his run as a Spur? Westbrook has been doing the equivalent of that multiple times a game every game for years now. I'm really enjoying this scenario every game:
Westbrook: If I'm open, I'm gonna shoot it.
Every opposing coach, assistant coach, scout, & player: We're leaving you open because we want you to shoot it.
Westbrook: Well, if you leave me open, I'm gonna shoot it, bro.
exstatic
10-24-2022, 01:48 PM
The way I see it, they’ll play it out with Russ instead of taking contracts that would limit them signing Kyrie, et al next season. It’s going to be a circus season that they could’ve avoided had they were tight lips on Westbrook. And Lonnie is in the middle of it. I’d just beast mode, dunk every shot in the brightest spotlight, and earn your next big contract Lonnie.
They will be unable to just sign Kyrie. The only way to get him is with a TE, which only we and Indy can provide.
John B
10-24-2022, 01:59 PM
They will be unable to just sign Kyrie. The only way to get him is with a TE, which only we and Indy can provide.
Please explain, The Lakers only have 3 players in contract till next year. And Kyrie is UFA.
spurraider21
10-24-2022, 02:00 PM
The way I see it, they’ll play it out with Russ instead of taking contracts that would limit them signing Kyrie, et al next season. It’s going to be a circus season that they could’ve avoided had they were tight lips on Westbrook. And Lonnie is in the middle of it. I’d just beast mode, dunk every shot in the brightest spotlight, and earn your next big contract Lonnie.
lebron is turning 38 this year. they cant afford to just throw a season
John B
10-24-2022, 02:04 PM
lebron is turning 38 this year. they cant afford to just throw a season
I agree. But on the other side they cannot afford to lose thise two remaining FRP’s they have. At what point you just move on from LeBron? The guy is 38 as you said.
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