Who comes off the bench?

[LkrFan]

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Jim is trending :lol

[LkrFan]

I think I found DMC's Twitter acc:lolunt:

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[DMC]

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Jim is trending :lol
The dead one

[KobesAchilles]

That’s some pretty shitty spacing tbh. Kobe would be off the bench though. Wtf would I start Kobe over MJ?

[JamStone]

If you’re being honest though, in today’s game, you sit one of the bigs. Seriously. Probably Shaq. And to take honesty further, I’d prefer Shaq not on the roster at all in today’s league.

From the 80s to mid 2000s, it would be one of the wings. Michael and Kobe are the two most alike, redundant. And of course, it would be Michael over Kobe.

[Brazil]

This one is easy... Kobrick

[Robz4000]

Kirbs gets cut for Curry imo.

[Isitjustme?]

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Jim is trending :lol

Did you read the replies to the tweet you posting??? lmao

Guess who mentioned by far the most?

[Isitjustme?]

If you’re being honest though, in today’s game, you sit one of the bigs. Seriously. Probably Shaq. And to take honesty further, I’d prefer Shaq not on the roster at all in today’s league.


This is comical and part of being a prisoner of the moment.

[FrostKing]

Shaq is the most dominating offensive force on the team. That's why I'm giving him all the touches on the 2nd Unit

[steak n eggs]

Timmy starts due to his passing abilities.

[JamStone]

This is comical and part of being a prisoner of the moment.

The moment is exactly what I was getting at. The now.

How the fuck do you play Shaq against the Warriors? The Warriors destroyed the Nuggets by forcing Jokic onto Curry in every critical, late game PNR. Do you not think Shaq would get exploited even worse than Joker? Probably for most of the game too just to get him fouls and force him to the bench. Uptempo game. Three point happy style of play. Positionless offense. Excploiting big men in the PNR who can’t defend guards. For as dominant as Shaq is offensively, he kills an open, uptempo style of play for both teams. And he’s essentially useless to the point of detrimental on defense.

In today’s league, Shaq is a rich man’s Enes Kanter. And I’m not joking or trying to be cute. I fully 100% believe that.

[Isitjustme?]

The moment is exactly what I was getting at. The now.

How the fuck do you play Shaq against the Warriors? The Warriors destroyed the Nuggets by forcing Jokic onto Curry in every critical, late game PNR. Do you not think Shaq would get exploited even worse than Joker? Probably for most of the game too just to get him fouls and force him to the bench. Uptempo game. Three point happy style of play. Positionless offense. Excploiting big men in the PNR who can’t defend guards. For as dominant as Shaq is offensively, he kills an open, uptempo style of play for both teams. And he’s essentially useless to the point of detrimental on defense.

In today’s league, Shaq is a rich man’s Enes Kanter. And I’m not joking or trying to be cute. I fully 100% believe that.

Jokic and Embiid finished 1-2 in the MVP and are each significantly worse than 1995 Shaq, 1995 Hakeem, and 1995 David Robinson lmao

[JamStone]

Prime Lakers Shaq, and his 350 pound body, cannot guard in today’s league against the better playoff teams. He could easily dominate offensively much of the league, on most nights. But he would not be able to defend or keep up with the pace of the league. The slowest teams in today’s game, the Mavs, the Knicks, still play at a faster pace than the 2000-02 championship Lakers teams. Those are the slowest team now. The faster teams now put 2000-02 Lakers Shaq on an oxygen mask after a couple minutes, nevermind what they do to Shaq in the pick-and-roll.

In the playoffs, the old adage that the game slows down is not completely true anymore. Playoff teams still play fast in the playoffs. And smallball line-ups exploit slow big men in the pick-and-roll to the extreme. Smallball and the tempo of most teams offset Shaq’s dominance on offense. Hakeem and David Robinson would be able to play at this speed and defend in the modern game. They weren’t 350 pound fatasses that only played one end of the court. And Admiral especially could run up and down the court.

Jokic is not a good defender in today’s game and he’s still miles more equipped to defend now than prime Shaq would be. I would want Shaq nowhere near my roster if I was putting together a team in today’s league.

[FrostKing]

While you are correct the Jokic example isn't fair. Rank the Top 12 players in that series and how many do Nuggets have in the upper half? Nuggets didn't have the personnel to flip the matchup especially late in games.

[DMC]

Half of those guys were on the Olympic team together. Durant destroyed. Kobe, not so much.

[ambchang]

Why were Durant and Kobe there? They aren’t too 10 talent.

[daboom1]

Kobe would be a great 6th man :tu

[FrostKing]

Why were Durant and Kobe there? They aren’t too 10 talent.
Duncan & Bird are in the same boat. Supporting cast is underrated. Versus the Laker boys

Larry & Tim vs Magic/Kareem & Kobe/Shaq

[RC_Drunkford]

KD has to sit his little ass down real quick

[Mitch]

Duncan and it's not even close, I'd not even have him come off the bench tbh

[lefty]

Jordan would be decent 6th man ngl

[FrostKing]

Lebron would still ask for more help

[LkrFan]

Half of those guys were on the Olympic team together. Durant destroyed. Kobe, not so much.
Olympic smack? :lolkay

Gold Medals:

Kobe: 2
Jim: :lol

Bronze Medals:

Kobe: :lolf course, none
Jim: un:lol

[DMC]

Olympic smack? :lolkay

Gold Medals:

Kobe: 2
Jim: :lol

Bronze Medals:

Kobe: :lolf course, none
Jim: un:lol
Boiled down..

Heartbeat,

Tim 1
Kobe 0

That's it and that's all

[Chucho]

If you’re being honest though, in today’s game, you sit one of the bigs. Seriously. Probably Shaq. And to take honesty further, I’d prefer Shaq not on the roster at all in today’s league.

From the 80s to mid 2000s, it would be one of the wings. Michael and Kobe are the two most alike, redundant. And of course, it would be Michael over Kobe.


Dunno, Shaq would feast on today's interior defenders. He shot what, like 60%? With today's guys, that's a 10% increase, easy. I'll take 70% plus the D of Diesel and Duncan over 40% 3 point shooting.

And, what are the rules? Who says it's today's rules? Even if they meet in the middle, give any of those dudes some hand check ability and those points drop. It's all hypothetical anyways.

[DMC]

Isn't Kobe the only one in the image who actually came off the bench as a rookie?

[Chucho]

Olympic smack? :lolkay

Gold Medals:

Kobe: 2
Jim: :lol

Bronze Medals:

Kobe: :lolf course, none
Jim: un:lol

Life:

Tim: 1

Kobe: 0

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with being the GOAT beta. He was better than Pip even tho Pip took his team past the first round when the person who carried him wasn't there, we can't say that about Kobe, but still, GOAT beta. You can't be carried to 5 titles and mislead the media and morons into believing you're more than that without having some talent beyond beating the rap for rape.

[ambchang]

By bench does it mean grave?

[JamStone]

Dunno, Shaq would feast on today's interior defenders. He shot what, like 60%? With today's guys, that's a 10% increase, easy. I'll take 70% plus the D of Diesel and Duncan over 40% 3 point shooting.

And, what are the rules? Who says it's today's rules? Even if they meet in the middle, give any of those dudes some hand check ability and those points drop. It's all hypothetical anyways.

Of course hypothetical. That’s why discussions like these never can have a true conclusion. Everything is speculation.

Shaq’s dominance on offense is only one side of the ball. Against smallball teams. Against good, playoff, even championship caliber smallball teams, Shaq is as much a liability defensively as he is an advantage offensively. And against teams now, you give up wide open threes, shooters today don’t shoot 35-40% when they’re wide open. They shoot 50%+ when they are wide open. You can’t hide Shaq in the paint in front of the rim on defense against today’s teams. You can’t prevent smart playoff teams from putting Shaq in pick-and-roll after pick-and-roll all game long. You can’t tell 350 pound Shaq to keep up in a wide open, uptempo, transition style of game.

And he won’t shoot 70% from the field. But even if he were to do that, it doesn’t negate all the problems he presents defensively and conditioning. You replace Al Horford with prime Shaq, I still have the Warriors winning. You replace Bam Adebayo with prime Shaq, I still have Boston beating Miami, maybe in less than 7 even because Shaq disrupts what Miami does at both ends of the court.

You can play with whatever rules you want, it’s not so much how today’s teams defend or are unable to defend Shaq. It’s what teams now do to Shaq at the other end of the court and with the pace of play. Shaq scores in any era. No argument. But he’s physically ill-equipped to defend and to run against today’s better playoff teams.

But like you said, it’s all hypothetical.

[DMC]

Boiled down..

Heartbeat,

Tim 1
Kobe 0

That's it and that's all


Life:

Tim: 1

Kobe: 0

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with being the GOAT beta. He was better than Pip even tho Pip took his team past the first round when the person who carried him wasn't there, we can't say that about Kobe, but still, GOAT beta. You can't be carried to 5 titles and mislead the media and morons into believing you're more than that without having some talent beyond beating the rap for rape.
You already said that.. I mean I already said that.

[LkrFan]

Boiled down..

Heartbeat,

Tim 1
Kobe 0

That's it and that's all

:cry

[Rummpd]

Boiled down - Kobe lowest PER group, worst leader, lowest combination of finals MVPs and regular MVPs - no brainer he is benched

[ambchang]

Thanks to shaq Damon stoudemire and mike Bibby looked like stars. They kept attacking shaq with the pick and roll and it’s open jumper after open jumper. Even Antonio Daniels had a good series against them.

Shaq in a pick and roll against curry would end with him averaging 40ppg. Even Lillard would score at will.