in this thread please give me a reason why you are against the spurs moving 1 hour away to austin

[playblair]

its like you want to hinder the spurs by keeping them in a boring city when they could move to one of the best cities in all of america & attract marquee free agents
is it your ego?

[KingKev]

Vegas baby

[mookie2001]

It's not really an hour what are you gonna do? drive up there at 630 for a game lol

[MultiTroll]

Fine, thick San Antone women.

[slick'81]

Fine, thick San Antone women.


https://youtu.be/3PD4XsoeNZU

[Leetonidas]

Because Austin sucks and is filled with smelly vagrants

[Uriel]

Where would the Toros play? San Antonio?

[MultiTroll]

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[MultiTroll]

Also, no rapes occurred in the courtship of Timmy Duncs and his wife Vanessa.

https://youtu.be/_jHQgJXzonY

[LakerHater]

They won't do it.
If anythng, they'll move down 35, in between.

[Chinook]

I don't want them here. They're just fine in SA.

[Dex]

its like you want to hinder the spurs by keeping them in a boring city when they could move to one of the best cities in all of america & attract marquee free agents
is it your ego?

Easy answer: Marquee free agents don't give a shit about Austin anymore than they do San Antonio.

These are millionaires who can travel anywhere they want. They visit all of the best cities in the US on a regular basis on the team's dime, and can afford vacations to wherever they want in the offseason.

Ain't no star choosing the Spurs over anybody else just because they are based in Austin vs. San Antonio.

[TekXX]

Easy answer: Marquee free agents don't give a shit about Austin anymore than they do San Antonio.

These are millionaires who can travel anywhere they want. They visit all of the best cities in the US on a regular basis on the team's dime, and can afford vacations to wherever they want in the offseason.

Ain't no star choosing the Spurs over anybody else just because they are based in Austin vs. San Antonio.

I agree with this, just because tech thinks it's cool doesn't mean a young black male thinks it's interesting. I don't see that much appeal difference between SA and Austin.

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I will remain a die hard fan so long as it's Austin, where they've got their g-league, and curated a natural fan base, or San Antonio.

They take the team to Vegas or Seattle (even though I might move there), or anywhere else for that matter, they can get fucked. Professional teams have to stop doing that shit to their base fans.

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Easy answer: Marquee free agents don't give a shit about Austin anymore than they do San Antonio.

These are millionaires who can travel anywhere they want. They visit all of the best cities in the US on a regular basis on the team's dime, and can afford vacations to wherever they want in the offseason.

Ain't no star choosing the Spurs over anybody else just because they are based in Austin vs. San Antonio.

Hard disagree. There's a reason they come to town to go party when they do. There's a reason Austin has become an international magnet to the world's biggest corporations. There's a reason they built the only F1 track here. There's a reason Austin is about to have the largest building in Texas, with more high rises planned. There's a reason the few Hollywood folks move here when they decide not to live there.

Austin has a vibe that markets itself to the young, hip crowd and the entertainment options to keep them busy year after year after year.

All that said I hope they stay in San Antonio. But it's naive to say there's no difference between the two places in the eyes of free agents.

[spurs10]

Taking the Spurs to Austin is not a good move. You have decades of history here and the city of San Antonio is a big part of their success.

[The Truth #6]

Hard disagree. There's a reason they come to town to go party when they do. There's a reason Austin has become an international magnet to the world's biggest corporations. There's a reason they built the only F1 track here. There's a reason Austin is about to have the largest building in Texas, with more high rises planned. There's a reason the few Hollywood folks move here when they decide not to live there.

Austin has a vibe that markets itself to the young, hip crowd and the entertainment options to keep them busy year after year after year.

All that said I hope they stay in San Antonio. But it's naive to say there's no difference between the two places in the eyes of free agents.

What I don't know is if the appeal to Austin is mostly for white people? I mean, it's a super white city. Maybe they doesn't matter to millionaire black athletes, but it makes me wonder. The target destinations are still on the coasts (Lakers, Miami), and second tier teams that are still near the coasts. Middle America teams are definitely a tier below for free agents. So Austin is weird (but not in the way it self advertises itself with bumper stickers) in that I don't know how it is perceived in the NBA.

[dbestpro]

Traffic and separation from Hispanic culture.

[daslicer]

Hard disagree. There's a reason they come to town to go party when they do. There's a reason Austin has become an international magnet to the world's biggest corporations. There's a reason they built the only F1 track here. There's a reason Austin is about to have the largest building in Texas, with more high rises planned. There's a reason the few Hollywood folks move here when they decide not to live there.

Austin has a vibe that markets itself to the young, hip crowd and the entertainment options to keep them busy year after year after year.

All that said I hope they stay in San Antonio. But it's naive to say there's no difference between the two places in the eyes of free agents.

Austin will never be in the league of LA, Miami, NYC which are the 3 places all the marquee FA's want to go to. It's not even in the league of what I call the second-tier places where big FAs would like to play which is Chicago, Houston, ATL. The third tier I would say is Washington, Philadelphia. Austin would be probably in the fourth tier. with Dallas.

[daslicer]

What I don't know is if the appeal to Austin is mostly for white people? I mean, it's a super white city. Maybe they doesn't matter to millionaire black athletes, but it makes me wonder. The target destinations are still on the coasts (Lakers, Miami), and second tier teams that are still near the coasts. Middle America teams are definitely a tier below for free agents. So Austin is weird (but not in the way it self advertises itself with bumper stickers) in that I don't know how it is perceived in the NBA.

I would even say Charlotte would be even more appealing place for young black athlete since it's basically a smaller ATL with a larger black population than Austin.

[dbestpro]

Hard disagree. There's a reason they come to town to go party when they do. There's a reason Austin has become an international magnet to the world's biggest corporations. There's a reason they built the only F1 track here. There's a reason Austin is about to have the largest building in Texas, with more high rises planned. There's a reason the few Hollywood folks move here when they decide not to live there.

Austin has a vibe that markets itself to the young, hip crowd and the entertainment options to keep them busy year after year after year.

All that said I hope they stay in San Antonio. But it's naive to say there's no difference between the two places in the eyes of free agents.
They come because of George Kazmetsky. The dean of the UTbusiness school in the 70s and the founder of Teledyne.Without him there would have been no Dell. He lived in California and flew to Austin each week. It has nothing to do with the drunk geeks and everything to do with the realtionships that were forged right through the federal government and is even connected to George Bush Sr.

[goliath]

LA, NY, Miami can attract free agents based on the city. Everywhere else it’s due to the team(chance for a title) or $$$. I mean how many marque free agents have cities viewed above San Antonio signed? I don’t remember many marque free agents flocking to Washington, Dallas, Atlanta, etc

[Dancelot]

I unfortunately live in Austin, and it’s been trash for years. SA is a much better city.

[Dex]

Hard disagree. There's a reason they come to town to go party when they do. There's a reason Austin has become an international magnet to the world's biggest corporations. There's a reason they built the only F1 track here. There's a reason Austin is about to have the largest building in Texas, with more high rises planned. There's a reason the few Hollywood folks move here when they decide not to live there.

Austin has a vibe that markets itself to the young, hip crowd and the entertainment options to keep them busy year after year after year.

All that said I hope they stay in San Antonio. But it's naive to say there's no difference between the two places in the eyes of free agents.

Austin being a tech boom city doesn't mean anything to the NBA or its players...unless you think the Spurs are going to manage to get some sponsorships from the Dells, Apples, or Teslas of the town.

If players want to go up to Austin to party or check out F1 or whatever, they can easily pop up here.

San Antonio already has an established fan base and culture in a city of more than 1.5 million people. You can't just expect to replicate that in Austin overnight, and you also shouldn't expect thousands of existing fans to make that "hour drive" 41 times a year. You seriously expecting to ask the fans to make that drive all the time, instead of the few players who may feel like checking out Austin occasionally?

I've been in Austin for a long time and can tell you that people are lukewarm on the Spurs. Hell, they basically have to give away tickets to the Austin Spurs games just to get people in there.

Also, Moody Center is significantly smaller than AT&T and the parking situation downtown is a nightmare, so I wouldn't act like they have an arena just ready to go up here.

Don't get me wrong, I would love if I didn't have to drive down to SA for Spurs games...but bailing to Austin is just flushing their history down the toilet and spitting in the face of the city and fans who built them.

[KingKev]

I will remain a die hard fan so long as it's Austin, where they've got their g-league, and curated a natural fan base, or San Antonio.

They take the team to Vegas or Seattle (even though I might move there), or anywhere else for that matter, they can get fucked. Professional teams have to stop doing that shit to their base fans.

You considering Van? It’s a wicked city man.

[KingKev]

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I had no clue his new chick was that hot. Nice work Timmy. Upgrade over that other hoe for sure.

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You considering Van? It’s a wicked city man.

My wife might take a regional management position up there that runs up all the way to the border so in theory we could really choose anywhere in that area if we decide to take the plunge. Washington state would be enough of a change compared to the increasingly Christofascist state of Texas that I'd be fine with just Seattle but I'd happily settle in Vancouver. I hear wonderful things about it.

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Austin being a tech boom city doesn't mean anything to the NBA or its players...unless you think the Spurs are going to manage to get some sponsorships from the Dells, Apples, or Teslas of the town.

If players want to go up to Austin to party or check out F1 or whatever, they can easily pop up here.

San Antonio already has an established fan base and culture in a city of more than 1.5 million people. You can't just expect to replicate that in Austin overnight, and you also shouldn't expect thousands of existing fans to make that "hour drive" 41 times a year. You seriously expecting to ask the fans to make that drive all the time, instead of the few players who may feel like checking out Austin occasionally?

I've been in Austin for a long time and can tell you that people are lukewarm on the Spurs. Hell, they basically have to give away tickets to the Austin Spurs games just to get people in there.

Also, Moody Center is significantly smaller than AT&T and the parking situation downtown is a nightmare, so I wouldn't act like they have an arena just ready to go up here.

Don't get me wrong, I would love if I didn't have to drive down to SA for Spurs games...but bailing to Austin is just flushing their history down the toilet and spitting in the face of the city and fans who built them.

Nice restaurants and clubs do. Look, as I said above I hope they stay in San Antonio, but I think it's tomfoolery to suggest Austin and San Antonio are viewed the same, yes even amongst black athletes.

Btw, I don't expect those San Antonio fans ti just make 41 trips up to Austin, but itsclose enough they could still enjoy the teamamd still feel like they have an ownership or rooting interest in the team.

[Proxy]

austin sucks now, I don't want another thing congesting this city, and I don't want to trade the crowd in SA for tech bros and UT students

[DMC]

They'd need to change the mascot from a coyote to a homeless man in a tent.

[KingKev]

They'd need to change the mascot from a coyote to a homeless man in a tent.

haha that mascot would look great the new SATX alternates.

[Budkin]

Because they are the San Antonio Spurs

[Extra Stout]

This idea worked out really well for the Los Angeles Chargers.

[Dex]

Nice restaurants and clubs do. Look, as I said above I hope they stay in San Antonio, but I think it's tomfoolery to suggest Austin and San Antonio are viewed the same, yes even amongst black athletes.

Btw, I don't expect those San Antonio fans ti just make 41 trips up to Austin, but itsclose enough they could still enjoy the teamamd still feel like they have an ownership or rooting interest in the team.

Clubs? What big club do you think is bringing people out? You really think 5-star athletes are really hyped about going to Palazio or Yellow Rose? Or hanging out at Rose Room?

I'll admit that the restaurant scene is marginally better in Austin, but again...that's not going to change the mind of max player if they are choosing between Austin, Miami, or LA.

I actually love Austin....but like I've said and will continue to say, trading in 50 years of valued history to try to force an NBA team into a city that doesn't really give a shit MAKES NO SENSE.

I used to go to 3-5 games a year. Since I moved to Austin, I'm lucky to go to 1 or 2 because that drive down 35 in rush hour traffic is a major pain in the ass. It's not as easy as some of you are making it out to be to just "make the quick trip up"

[spurs10]

Clubs? What big club do you think is bringing people out? You really think 5-star athletes are really hyped about going to Palazio or Yellow Rose? Or hanging out at Rose Room?

I'll admit that the restaurant scene is marginally better in Austin, but again...that's not going to change the mind of max player if they are choosing between Austin, Miami, or LA.

I actually love Austin....but like I've said and will continue to say, trading in 50 years of valued history to try to force an NBA team into a city that doesn't really give a shit MAKES NO SENSE.

I used to go to 3-5 games a year. Since I moved to Austin, I'm lucky to go to 1 or 2 because that drive down 35 in rush hour traffic is a major pain in the ass. It's not as easy as some of you are making it out to be to just "make the quick trip up" I was based out of Austin for decades and I'm a big fan. I didn't go to a lot of games until someone who works with the Spurs got me tickets and then I was hooked to seeing live games. Moved to a mid-way point in the hill country almost ten years ago and had season tickets for many years. Even a shorter drive gets old quick. They move to Austin and the fanbase at games would change dramatically. I wonder if your average Austin person would spend money on tickets in a town with so much going on. I go to Austin more than SA, but definitely think of the Spurs as a San Antonio thing.

[Dex]

playblair: Give me reasons why you are against the Spurs moving to Austin

SpursTalk: Gives many very valid reasons and constructed arguments

playblair: yall are stupid and I cant form a complete sentence

Never change, buddy

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

if spurs move to austin then san antonio has lost the team that sa wants and austin doesn't care about

[BatManu20]

Austin and SA are completely different cities, especially considering how close they are in proximity. No doubt Austin would be more appealing to young athletes with disposable income. Nightlife is far superior and the overall vibe is just much more attractive to young people.

With that said, it’d still be nowhere near LA, NYC, MIA, etc. And the hippies and tree-huggers up here won’t care about the Spurs the way the fans in SA do, at least in the short term. Most of the people here right now are either Longhorns fans or don’t give a shit about sports. But Austin is quickly becoming such a melting pot of people from all over the globe, that in 10 years it might not matter. All the different people living here by then would probably gladly welcome another pro sports franchise. And this city, with its growing tech hub, has the resource$ to attract another one — maybe multiple — in the coming years.

[FutureMan]

Austin = the most overrated city in the country

San Antonio = the most underrated city in the country

To be clear Austin isn’t a bad city at all. It just isn’t as great as people claim. It would be straight up stupid for a professional sports team to leave San Antonio’s with its popular boom and everything that is coming with it. Just move the dam stadium.

[cd98]

San Antonio will be a legit market when they get rid of the small minded airport and get a true airport that has a palate of direct flights all over the country. We have too many issues with flying to multiple places to get to a destination or flying too many places to get back here.

Their are clubs and women available everywhere and their are plenty of obese women in every NBA market and plenty of attractive ones too.

[baseline bum]

The Spurs would probably sell more luxury boxes in Austin, but probably have a harder time getting the taxpayers to build them a stadium there than here.

[spurs10]

The Spurs would probably sell more luxury boxes in Austin, but probably have a harder time getting the taxpayers to build them a stadium there than here. Good point. Property taxes in Austin are insane and the taxpayers would not be too thrilled about building a stadium at all. I love both cities and own a business in Austin, but don't see the San Antonio Spurs moving to Austin. Why not just start a new team the Austin Hipsters. There would be no logos and all the patrons, even the women, would need to grow a beard and wear apricot colored pants.

[ChumpDumper]

City of Austin curiously doesn't give much of a shit about having their own NBA size arena. All the possible downtown sites have come and gone over the past 20 years without even a hint of a city purchase. They have an old Home Depot off I-35 which I can't see being anything but a disaster unless a lot of the surrounding neighborhood is razed. Moody Center is about 8000 seats short of being viable and no NBA team wants to have UT as a landlord.

There's always a chance that something could be developed in the burbs alongside one of the mini-Domains being planned because there is still just so much money floating around up here, but the traditional kind of taxpayer funded gubmit built arena is much more likely to happen again in San Antonio the next few decades.

Also as mentioned above, #AustinSoWhite there's no guarantee the population would embrace the NBA as much as they have bougier sports like MLS.

[cd98]

Even the most dedicated Spurs fan is going to be tested on a drive to and from Austin and its horrendous traffic. Just thinking about it makes me want to stop watching basketball, not buy season tickets.

[KingKev]

Even the most dedicated Spurs fan is going to be tested on a drive to and from Austin and its horrendous traffic. Just thinking about it makes me want to stop watching basketball, not buy season tickets.

Lol to anyone who has lived in a major city that is normal traffic.

Try being an international Spurs fan and getting to San Antonio.

[The Truth #6]

Not to get all Marxist here, but a move to Austin would not be about plebeian fans but getting billionaires to pony up for crazy box seats, I have to think. Not completely but that’s something that could appeal to a dickweed consortium. Or not. Just spitballing. But all the billionaires up there has to be tantalizing for our cheap owners.

[Ditty]

Why do y’all fall for playblair’s San Antonio vs Austin relocation schtick? :lol

[Mugen]

Simple. Because I want them to move 20hrs away to Vegas :lol

[tim_duncan_fan]

Don't players mostly want to be where people are making movies and rap music?

Anyway, I don't want bummy half-decent free agents like LaVine etc on the Spurs unless they specifically want to come be part of the Spurs.

I'll wait til we draft well, and if someone wants to leave to be a Hollywood-esque star, they'll still do that in Austin.

DFW is the future hub area anyway.

[spurraider21]

I’m against it because it would be a waste of a relocation. Send the team to Vegas

[KingKev]

Don't players mostly want to be where people are making movies and rap music?

Anyway, I don't want bummy half-decent free agents like LaVine etc on the Spurs unless they specifically want to come be part of the Spurs.

I'll wait til we draft well, and if someone wants to leave to be a Hollywood-esque star, they'll still do that in Austin.

DFW is the future hub area anyway.

Your favourite rapper is Eminem confirmed.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Your favourite rapper is Eminem confirmed.

Cole. Used to be Kanye, but I can't rock with that guy anymore. I do like Eminem too though!

[Chomag]

Still charging for tickets prices like Spurs are championship running squad will be a downfall.

[dbestpro]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dpwxym/reasons-why-austin-is-the-worst-place-ever-512

[Maddog]

Clubs? What big club do you think is bringing people out? You really think 5-star athletes are really hyped about going to Palazio or Yellow Rose? Or hanging out at Rose Room?

I'll admit that the restaurant scene is marginally better in Austin, but again...that's not going to change the mind of max player if they are choosing between Austin, Miami, or LA.

I actually love Austin....but like I've said and will continue to say, trading in 50 years of valued history to try to force an NBA team into a city that doesn't really give a shit MAKES NO SENSE.

I used to go to 3-5 games a year. Since I moved to Austin, I'm lucky to go to 1 or 2 because that drive down 35 in rush hour traffic is a major pain in the ass. It's not as easy as some of you are making it out to be to just "make the quick trip up"


if spurs move to austin then san antonio has lost the team that sa wants and austin doesn't care about

This has come up in other threads- but I just don't see it.
First as pointed out by many and summed up perfectly above, I don't think Austin has any interest in the Spurs.
It's also not like Austin is a major metro area. SA and Austin are 24th and 28th in population and 32nd and 26th in GDP. SA modestly more people and Austin slightly higher GDP.
Combined they still wouldn't be in the top 10 in either population or GDP.
While I've seen articles describing the two cities merging into a metroplex I just don't see it. It's 70 miles from center to center and even with the god awful sprawl of Houston- a 30 mile radius get's you the majority of people.

[rascal]

Clubs? What big club do you think is bringing people out? You really think 5-star athletes are really hyped about going to Palazio or Yellow Rose? Or hanging out at Rose Room?

I'll admit that the restaurant scene is marginally better in Austin, but again...that's not going to change the mind of max player if they are choosing between Austin, Miami, or LA.

I actually love Austin....but like I've said and will continue to say, trading in 50 years of valued history to try to force an NBA team into a city that doesn't really give a shit MAKES NO SENSE.

I used to go to 3-5 games a year. Since I moved to Austin, I'm lucky to go to 1 or 2 because that drive down 35 in rush hour traffic is a major pain in the ass. It's not as easy as some of you are making it out to be to just "make the quick trip up"

How many lanes on I-35 to Austin? They need to add more lanes.

[rascal]

Still charging for tickets prices like Spurs are championship running squad will be a downfall.

Attendance is going to tank this year.
That's why it's important for the Spurs for a quick turnaround in a year or two with a superstar player or two.

The city won't support a losing team for long.

[Dex]

How many lanes on I-35 to Austin? They need to add more lanes.

2 to 4, depending upon how much construction they are doing at the time (which is always)

And it's pretty much landlocked now because the gap from San Antonio to Austin has been completely built up with strip malls and retail outlets. New Braunfels, San Marcos, Kyle, Buda...all are booming because Austin is too freaking expensive.

[KingKev]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dpwxym/reasons-why-austin-is-the-worst-place-ever-512

haha that was great. Even better the guy that wrote that still just sounds like a fking moron. Austin strikes me as a place where two groups of mostly entitled idiots clash to complain about each other.

[The Truth #6]

Attendance is going to tank this year.
That's why it's important for the Spurs for a quick turnaround in a year or two with a superstar player or two.

The city won't support a losing team for long.

Which is why this delayed rebuild was so frustrating and potentially damaging long term.

[The Truth #6]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dpwxym/reasons-why-austin-is-the-worst-place-ever-512

And that article was written in 2014. Since then and since Covid I’ve been told there are way more obnoxious start up billionaires, yuppies, trust fund kids, programmers from California who are completely socially awkward, “Dallas people, LA people”. . There is little weird left. More like, buzzworthy things that the local paper the Austin Chronicle hypes up, which it has always been doing. I lived there about 13 years. For people who want to live in Texas and avoid the rest of the conservative cesspool, I suppose there aren’t great options, but San Antonio is slowly starting to get a little bit of that spill over.

[playblair]

Dex is in here defensing his boring city of san antonio with all his might..........san antonions have an ego problem because of a city 1 hour away that is far superior in every way

[Dex]

Dex is in here defensing his boring city of san antonio with all his might..........san antonions have an ego problem because of a city 1 hour away that is far superior in every way

I live in Austin, dumbass. :lol

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This has come up in other threads- but I just don't see it.
First as pointed out by many and summed up perfectly above, I don't think Austin has any interest in the Spurs.
It's also not like Austin is a major metro area. SA and Austin are 24th and 28th in population and 32nd and 26th in GDP. SA modestly more people and Austin slightly higher GDP.
Combined they still wouldn't be in the top 10 in either population or GDP.
While I've seen articles describing the two cities merging into a metroplex I just don't see it. It's 70 miles from center to center and even with the god awful sprawl of Houston- a 30 mile radius get's you the majority of people.

That's not how it works, mileage per se is not how it's broken down. It's based on employment weight, or gravity if you will. A CSA or Combined Statistical Area is what defines whether or not Austin / SA area will be conglomerated or not is based on employment and business draw to any given area. For instance I have business interests in both SA and Austin. That adds to the designation.

And to be clear if that develops such that Austin MSA and SA CSA are combined into a larger CSA, they would almost overnight be near the top 15 largest with close to 5 million. Austin currently is not listed as its own CSA, but San Antonio is and ranks like 24th.

A bit more development along 35 that shows dual draw for employment to the two metropolitan areas would trigger that listing.

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Also, let me just say for the record, Las Vegas is the fakest, least substantive, most plastic place on earth outside of like Dubai. It deserves nothing because the city will be one of the first hit, and hit hard, by climate change.

It exists largely due to one industry that is wholly dependent on travel and a good economy to thrive. And as noted above, it is an area on the front end of a decades or centuries long megadrought. It literally copies other places as an identity. Fuck that place.

And fuck the Spurs brass if that place is even remotely on their minds. San Antonio, Austin at worst, or bust, tbh.

[Maddog]

That's not how it works, mileage per se is not how it's broken down. It's based on employment weight, or gravity if you will. A CSA or Combined Statistical Area is what defines whether or not Austin / SA area will be conglomerated or not is based on employment and business draw to any given area. For instance I have business interests in both SA and Austin. That adds to the designation.

And to be clear if that develops such that Austin MSA and SA CSA are combined into a larger CSA, they would almost overnight be near the top 15 largest with close to 5 million. Austin currently is not listed as its own CSA, but San Antonio is and ranks like 24th.

A bit more development along 35 that shows dual draw for employment to the two metropolitan areas would trigger that listing.

I don't disagree that the I-35 SA to Austin could definitionally become a CSA but will unlikely be a cohesive metro area nor functionally a " 5 million" population for a NBA team to draw on.

[John B]

Easy answer: Marquee free agents don't give a shit about Austin anymore than they do San Antonio.

These are millionaires who can travel anywhere they want. They visit all of the best cities in the US on a regular basis on the team's dime, and can afford vacations to wherever they want in the offseason.

Ain't no star choosing the Spurs over anybody else just because they are based in Austin vs. San Antonio.

But it’s not just the players wanting to live in bigger cities. It’s that more fans can afford luxury boxes and courtside seats and likely go over the luxury if necessary. I think Timmy would’ve won more rings if the owners could afford to bring over a TMac and not when he’s already 38. DRob could’ve paired with Barkeley. It’s not unknown to everyone the lure of playing in a bigger city. I wouldn’t be so against the idea if it could level the playing field for the Spurs a bit, and get some of those perks that bigger markets get for a change.

[Dex]

But it’s not just the players wanting to live in bigger cities. It’s that more fans can afford luxury boxes and courtside seats and likely go over the luxury if necessary. I think Timmy would’ve won more rings if the owners could afford to bring over a TMac and not when he’s already 38. DRob could’ve paired with Barkeley. It’s not unknown to everyone the lure of playing in a bigger city. I wouldn’t be so against the idea if it could level the playing field for the Spurs a bit, and get some of those perks that bigger markets get for a change.

That is one benefit I could see...but that's assuming all those people with money want to spend it on Spurs games. I could see some corporate tycoons buying out some of the suite boxes, maybe some season ticket packages and such...but you still gotta get the common fans to fill seats. FC has done pretty well in north Austin I guess...but I'm generally always amazed by the amount of futbol nuts out there.

If you think the seats look empty in a city that bleeds Silver and Black, just wait until you go to a town that only cares about UT. And even UT was struggling to fill seats last season despite being a top program.

Obviously I could be wrong, but it would be a long process to rebuild anything that resembles the fan base that the Spurs currently have in Austin...especially if we are still a rebuilding team when (and if) they come to town. Austinites aren't going to pay any better than San Antonians to watch a losing team.

[KingKev]

But it’s not just the players wanting to live in bigger cities. It’s that more fans can afford luxury boxes and courtside seats and likely go over the luxury if necessary. I think Timmy would’ve won more rings if the owners could afford to bring over a TMac and not when he’s already 38. DRob could’ve paired with Barkeley. It’s not unknown to everyone the lure of playing in a bigger city. I wouldn’t be so against the idea if it could level the playing field for the Spurs a bit, and get some of those perks that bigger markets get for a change.

During the Tim Duncan years PATFO wasn’t cheap, frugal maybe but mostly just well managed. Even in recent years they haven’t been cheap. Not being able to add star power around Tim Duncan was never about money. It was that few stars, if any, wanted to play here.

PATFO is not cheap.

[lefty]

Texas is a shithole so it doesn't matter

[KingKev]

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/san-antonio-spurs-austin-pedicabs-josh-primo-17376889.php

Damn Austin using our future superstar Josh Primo already….

[rastaspur]

I'm not opposed but I don't have a dog in the fightvas I am several states over. When I come for games I'd be lying if I told you if have more fun in San Antonio. I'll defer to the Texans on this one

[KingKev]

Sarver has agreed to sell the Suns.

NBA teams are incredibly illiquid assets that can’t easily be valued using traditional valuation metrics. There are usually ripple effects when ownership of a team changes. Can’t find what Sarver’s stake is but my understanding it a large controlling interest >50%.

This could have implications for our ownership group. Wouldn’t be surprised for the final price to be well above estimated current value which typically has ripple effects for valuation across the league.

[dbestpro]

If it really comes down to making the most money the 5th largest city in the world with 21 million people would make more sense than Austin, Seattle, Las Vegas, and even San Antonio. That city being Mexico City.

[Seventyniner]

Sarver has agreed to sell the Suns.

NBA teams are incredibly illiquid assets that can’t easily be valued using traditional valuation metrics. There are usually ripple effects when ownership of a team changes. Can’t find what Sarver’s stake is but my understanding it a large controlling interest >50%.

This could have implications for our ownership group. Wouldn’t be surprised for the final price to be well above estimated current value which typically has ripple effects for valuation across the league.

Shit.

Terrible ownership is what keeps most teams in the cellar for long periods at a time. Chris Paul is good enough to have overcome that effect like he did with Sterling. One less shitty owner in the West means tougher competition down the road.

[Dex]

Sarver has agreed to sell the Suns.

NBA teams are incredibly illiquid assets that can’t easily be valued using traditional valuation metrics. There are usually ripple effects when ownership of a team changes. Can’t find what Sarver’s stake is but my understanding it a large controlling interest >50%.

This could have implications for our ownership group. Wouldn’t be surprised for the final price to be well above estimated current value which typically has ripple effects for valuation across the league.

The difference is that Robert Sarver is a piece of shit owner, and that's been a known fact for years. He just managed to get himself involved in a scandal big enough where the NBA could finally boot him out just like they did with Donald Sterling....which is generally a seismic event in professional sports. NFL owners are still basically getting away with murder and continue owning teams

So yeah...your comparison makes no sense unless the Holts and group are found to be caught up in a similar scandal. Owners don't want to turn on other owners, but Sarver forced their hand by his transgressions...and especially the fact that they became public knowledge

[KingKev]

The difference is that Robert Sarver is a piece of shit owner, and that's been a known fact for years. He just managed to get himself involved in a scandal big enough where the NBA could finally boot him out just like they did with Donald Sterling....which is generally a seismic event in professional sports. NFL owners are still basically getting away with murder and continue owning teams

So yeah...your comparison makes no sense unless the Holts and group are found to be caught up in a similar scandal. Owners don't want to turn on other owners, but Sarver forced their hand by his transgressions...and especially the fact that they became public knowledge

I don’t think you understood the argument here.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10051086-stein-suns-appear-destined-to-sell-for-nba-record-price-could-hit-4-billion

If this is true that is a shocking reprice of NBA franchises which as I stated above could have serious implications for minority owners.

A minority owner who owns 1-2% of an illiquid $2B asset now has opportunity to take some chips
off the table and rebalance their portfolio going into a very challenging economic environment where cash will be king.

They also are probably getting rocked in other areas of their portfolio. Good opportunity to rebalance and be liquid for buying opportunities elsewhere.

Who is buying those long term, tightly held, minority pieces? Potentially, investors who have less care in the heritage.

[exstatic]

The difference is that Robert Sarver is a piece of shit owner, and that's been a known fact for years. He just managed to get himself involved in a scandal big enough where the NBA could finally boot him out just like they did with Donald Sterling....which is generally a seismic event in professional sports. NFL owners are still basically getting away with murder and continue owning teams

So yeah...your comparison makes no sense unless the Holts and group are found to be caught up in a similar scandal. Owners don't want to turn on other owners, but Sarver forced their hand by his transgressions...and especially the fact that they became public knowledge

Server wasn’t forced out. He was suspended for a year, had a childish tantrum, and decided to sell all on his own. He was cleared to come back next year.

[KingKev]

Server wasn’t forced out. He was suspended for a year, had a childish tantrum, and decided to sell all on his own. He was cleared to come back next year.

Sir. He was forced out blatantly and deservedly, both publicly and behind closed doors.

[Ariel]

Server wasn’t forced out. He was suspended for a year, had a childish tantrum, and decided to sell all on his own. He was cleared to come back next year.
Sarver was made aware that he was an obstacle for business, as staying with the Suns would jeopardize sponsors:
https://es-us.finanzas.yahoo.com/news/nba-paypal-wont-renew-suns-163108470.html
That plus other rumored... he tried to push it, but better to cash in now and see it all go away, than being stubborn failing to acknowledge that the situation had gone past the point of no return.