NY AG Leticia James refers Trump and his kids for prosecution

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

Also suing….

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[Spurs Homer]

No more Bill Barr at the SDNY

[Spurs Homer]

Has traitor criminal melted down yet?


lol

[TimDunkem]

:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

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:lmao

[ducks]

Lol what person does not exaggerate their networth

[ducks]

Why is New York running itself to the ground oh wait all her focus is on trump
Nothing else in the state

[ChumpDumper]

Why is New York running itself to the ground oh wait all her focus is on trump
Nothing else in the stateThere are several other things in the state.

[ChumpDumper]

RE: the OP -- no state criminal charges and this civil action will drag on for years and probably be settled out of court.

IOW, meh.

[Spurs Homer]

Why is New York running itself to the ground oh wait all her focus is on trump
Nothing else in the state

Obviously , you are ok with all his crimes…

tax fraud? - ah its ok
insurance fraud? - ah everyone does it


you are probably just as much a criminal as the guy you defend, your family and kids are well on their way to criming and you would just say

ah who doesn’t commit crimes….

remember how much you clutched your pearls with hillarys emails?

bwahahahahahahaha!

cry more!

[Spurs Homer]

RE: the OP -- no state criminal charges and this civil action will drag on for years and probably be settled out of court.

IOW, meh.

i believe she did state - there were state and federal criminal laws broken - therefore the criminal referrals

but you may be right

altho’

there are many OTHER investigations pending

[ChumpDumper]

i believe she did state - there were state and federal criminal laws broken - therefore the criminal referrals

but you may be right

altho’

there are many OTHER investigations pendingSeems like everything else is going to go away like it usually works for the rich; the document issue is the one with legs.

[djohn2oo8]

RE: the OP -- no state criminal charges and this civil action will drag on for years and probably be settled out of court.

IOW, meh.
Don’t be so sure about the state charges. Also, you still do not want the SDNY involved in your shit or the IRS CID

[Ef-man]

RE: the OP -- no state criminal charges and this civil action will drag on for years and probably be settled out of court.

IOW, meh.

True, it will take years but yam tits owes a shitload of money to banks, it will hamper any new loans or renegotiations, further soil his business brand, and will reduce his net worth. :tu

[Spurs Homer]

Seems like everything else is going to go away like it usually works for the rich; the document issue is the one with legs.

The way i see it is the docs will get the DOJ a foot in the door to secure some accountability- but I have to believe that sedition and conspiracy related to jan 6th is where the DOJ is aiming for

and if the classified docs investigation provides some unknown evidence of some kind of actual espionage (trump using docs with foreign parties)

or some evidence to link the seditious conspiracy- then this is where DOJ would head to.

If no solid evidence arises- then -yes- the DOJ will just try to solidify the docs case.

[boutons_deux]

No more Bill Barr at the SDNY

I would really like to know

who financed the election of Bragg

who stopped the investigation of Trash

=================

Trash Is Guilty of ‘Numerous’ Felonies, Prosecutor Who Resigned Says

Mark F. Pomerantz, who had investigated the former president, left after the

Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, halted an effort to seek an indictment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/nyregion/trump-investigation-felony-resignation-pomerantz.html

Bragg is going to look very suspicious now.

[daboom1]

Don’t be so sure about the state charges. Also, you still do not want the SDNY involved in your shit or the IRS CID

:lol

[Leetonidas]

Too bad his cult doesn't give a shit about his crimes. They only care about dark skinned criminals tbh

[daboom1]

Another Witch Hunt by a racist Attorney General, Letitia James, who failed in her run for Governor, getting almost zero support from the public, and now is doing poorly against Law & Order A.G. candidate, highly respected Michael Henry. I never thought this case would be brought - until I saw her really bad poll numbers. She is a fraud who campaigned on a “get Trump” platform, despite the fact that the city is one of the crime and murder disasters of the world under her watch!

https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/109037444657827753

[Leetonidas]

:lol trump triggered

[DarrinS]

Well, this is what she campaigned on. Civil suit btw. :lol

[daboom1]

Well, this is what she campaigned on. Civil suit btw. :lol

Djohn said don't be so sure about that :lol State charges pending :lol

[Chris Fall]

Well, this is what she campaigned on. Civil suit btw. :lol

State attorney generals typically don't prosecute criminal cases.

She also referred the case to the IRS and federal prosecutors for criminal charges. She's basically given those federal prosecutors a head start on all the discovery legwork and research.

[ducks]

There are several other things in the state.

Duh why is she spending 100 percent time on trump

[Winehole23]

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[Spurs Homer]

I would really like to know

who financed the election of Bragg

who stopped the investigation of Trash

=================

Trash Is Guilty of ‘Numerous’ Felonies, Prosecutor Who Resigned Says

Mark F. Pomerantz, who had investigated the former president, left after the

Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, halted an effort to seek an indictment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/nyregion/trump-investigation-felony-resignation-pomerantz.html

Bragg is going to look very suspicious now.


he is a yuge disappointment

but that investigation is still open - and now AG James is criminally referring the trump crimes so bragg will have extra pressure to get off his ass

[ChumpDumper]

Duh why is she spending 100 percent time on trump

Not 100 percent.

Duh.

[Leetonidas]

The right doesnt care about law and order or holding criminals responsible. They only care about law and order when it doesnt apply to them :lol

[djohn2oo8]

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[ducks]

Not 100 percent.

Duh.

Oh is she licking your wifey also

[ChumpDumper]

Oh is she licking your wifey also

No.

You mad.

[Dirks_Finale]

Lol what person does not exaggerate their networth

99% of the people in this forum do it :lol

[MultiTroll]

Lettie ain't taking no bribes like this phuck.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/03/Alvin-Bragg.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=682

[daboom1]

TRUMP-NY LATEST: Attorney for Donald Trump Alina Habba dismantles the claims of New York AG Letitia James' lawsuit against the 45th president.

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Savage!















:lmao

[ElNono]

99% of the people in this forum do it :lol

If anybody in this forum would do that in order to skirt paying taxes or obtain favorable terms on their loans, they would likely be in jail by now.

[ElNono]

Beep boop

[CosmicCowboy]

If anybody in this forum would do that in order to skirt paying taxes or obtain favorable terms on their loans, they would likely be in jail by now.

Nope. I can't speak directly to Trumps details but property value when it isn't actually put up for sale to let the market determine the price is extremely ambiguous. I own several properties and protest the tax valuations every year when they come out. I hire professionals to do it. I don't get to set the values, a valuation board decides what the taxable value is. I am confident the real values of the properties are at least twice what the tax appraisals are and probably more. It is not fraud to put the estimated real value of the properties on your financial statement.

[JamStone]

The fraud appears to come from a totality of his dealings, not just from the tax appraisals.

He sets the lowest valuations of his properties on his financial statements for lower tax purposes. But then he turns around and inflates those numbers as many as ten times (from the examples that have been publicly talked about) in statements to lenders to borrow money off the properties. Filing with the IRS a property valuation of $75 million only to tell a lender it’s worth $739 million in order to borrow off of it should not be standard practice. Even if it is standard practice, it still smells like criminal tax fraud. The discrepancy in numbers is too egregious.

[CosmicCowboy]

The fraud appears to come from a totality of his dealings, not just from the tax appraisals.

He sets the lowest valuations of his properties on his financial statements for lower tax purposes. But then he turns around and inflates those numbers as many as ten times (from the examples that have been publicly talked about) in statements to lenders to borrow money off the properties. Filing with the IRS a property valuation of $75 million only to tell a lender it’s worth $739 million in order to borrow off of it should not be standard practice. Even if it is standard practice, it still smells like criminal tax fraud. The discrepancy in numbers is too egregious.

Property valuations have nothing to do with the IRS until they are sold.

[Blake]

Lol what person does not exaggerate their networth

Even a millionaire like Trump does it, huh

[pgardn]

99% of the people in this forum do it :lol

For the purpose of fraud on banks to give you loans they would NOT normally give you?
Thats illegal.

You do this?

[pgardn]

Property valuations have nothing to do with the IRS until they are sold.

They have a lot to do with banks and lending.
Would you lend money to Trump?
You would consider that good business, a good investment?
For your shareholders in your bank as well?

[Spurs Homer]

Nope. I can't speak directly to Trumps details but property value when it isn't actually put up for sale to let the market determine the price is extremely ambiguous. I own several properties and protest the tax valuations every year when they come out. I hire professionals to do it. I don't get to set the values, a valuation board decides what the taxable value is. I am confident the real values of the properties are at least twice what the tax appraisals are and probably more. It is not fraud to put the estimated real value of the properties on your financial statement.

sure,

you can play a little with the numbers and plead innocence and ignorance…

but just try overvaluing your properties by obscene amounts - like moscow-a-lago is worth 750 mil
when it appraises at 75 mil

go ahead- try it.

[spurraider21]

99% of the people in this forum do it :lol
the old "officer, that guy was speeding too" excuse

[Spurminator]

the old "officer, that guy was speeding too" excuse

... in defense of a former POTUS. smh conservative standards.

[Will Hunting]

Lol what person does not exaggerate their networth


99% of the people in this forum do it :lol
:lmao are you guys really comparing lying about your net worth in a casual setting to this?

[Will Hunting]

Property valuations have nothing to do with the IRS until they are sold.
That's not true. The conservation easement tax break is a federal program (that Trump has utilized a lot in the last decade) and the size of the tax break you get is tied to the value of the property you're granting the conservation easement on. That obviously involves reporting the value of the property to the IRS.

Here's an article with more detail about how Trump abused it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-got-a-21-million-tax-break-for-saving-the-forest-outside-his-ny-mansion-now-the-deal-is-under-investigation/2020/10/07/de84c1ba-ff6b-11ea-830c-a160b331ca62_story.html

[CosmicCowboy]

sure,

you can play a little with the numbers and plead innocence and ignorance…

but just try overvaluing your properties by obscene amounts - like moscow-a-lago is worth 750 mil
when it appraises at 75 mil

go ahead- try it.

I'm not defending Trump at all, but price to sales ratios of 30-1 are not at all unusual in the stock market, I don't know what a normal PS ratio for a private golf club is but Mar-A-Lago Lago as an ongoing business supposedly reports 25 million revenue per year. At the 75 million valuation claimed by Leticia James that would only be a 3-1 ratio which seems unreasonably low. 30-1 (which seems high to me) puts it at 750 million. Values on property are always ambiguous until they are actually sold and the price determined by the market.

[Will Hunting]

Trump got a $21 million tax break for a conservation easement he granted on a property he only paid $7.5 million for :lmao

My tl;dr read on this whole thing is yes, the Trump defenders are technically right that everyone does this. You'd be hard pressed to find a real estate investor who doesn't push for the conservative appraisal method when dealing with a tax assessor while simultaneously trying to use the most aggressive appraisal method to get a bigger loan.

The catch though is that Trump seems like he's taken it to an extreme level with obvious fraudulent intent; furnishing bullshit information to appraisers, overtly misstating square footages, etc...there's limits to how much you can do this and Trump clearly went way overboard.

[CosmicCowboy]

That's not true. The conservation easement tax break is a federal program (that Trump has utilized a lot in the last decade) and the size of the tax break you get is tied to the value of the property you're granting the conservation easement on. That obviously involves reporting the value of the property to the IRS.

Here's an article with more detail about how Trump abused it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-got-a-21-million-tax-break-for-saving-the-forest-outside-his-ny-mansion-now-the-deal-is-under-investigation/2020/10/07/de84c1ba-ff6b-11ea-830c-a160b331ca62_story.html

That makes sense. Since he is supposedly audited almost every year it's surprising they didn't catch it.

[Will Hunting]

I'm not defending Trump at all, but price to sales ratios of 30-1 are not at all unusual in the stock market, I don't know what a normal PS ratio for a private golf club is but Mar-A-Lago Lago as an ongoing business supposedly reports 25 million revenue per year. At the 75 million valuation claimed by Leticia James that would only be a 3-1 ratio which seems unreasonably low. 30-1 (which seems high to me) puts it at 750 million. Values on property are always ambiguous until they are actually sold and the price determined by the market.
Cash flowing golf courses typically sell for around ~8x EBITDA (or a 12.5% cap rate in real estate terms).

Using a 30:1 price to sales ratio for a golf course (or any other type of real estate investment for that matter) is fucking absurd. The only way that would ever happen is if it was a highly distressed property that's mostly vacant (and thus has almost no sales) in which case it's not being valued on a price to sale basis but rather on a replacement cost basis.

https://www.cbre.com/-/media/project/cbre/dotcom/global/services/property-types/alternatives/golf-and-resorts/cbre-year-in-review-2021.pdf

https://i.ibb.co/MsNPdPS/Golf-Course.png

[Will Hunting]

That makes sense. Since he is supposedly audited almost every year it's surprising they didn't catch it.
Could be mistaken but I think the environmental easements he's gotten on the Westchester properties is a focal point of the IRS audit that's been going for years.

[ChumpDumper]

That makes sense. Since he is supposedly audited almost every year it's surprising they didn't catch it.Audited according to whom? I'm not even sure a single audit has occurred.

[Will Hunting]

It's going to be years before there's ever a real fact finding that Trump did something illegal in this case, but I've gotta think the legal pressure is starting to weigh on Trump.

The 11th circuit panel he drew in Florida had an Obama appointee + probably the 2 most hackish right wing judges on that entire circuit, and the ruling against him there was unanimous, and he's not going to get any lucky federalist society judge breaks in NY.

No normal person would be able to run for president with so much litigation going on in the background.

[spurraider21]

It's going to be years before there's ever a real fact finding that Trump did something illegal in this case, but I've gotta think the legal pressure is starting to weigh on Trump.

The 11th circuit panel he drew in Florida had an Obama appointee + probably the 2 most hackish right wing judges on that entire circuit, and the ruling against him there was unanimous, and he's not going to get any lucky federalist society judge breaks in NY.

No normal person would be able to run for president with so much litigation going on in the background.
who's gonna tell him?

[Will Hunting]

who's gonna tell him?
What I mean is that no one would be able to do it without an insane amount of fortitude and stamina that Trump just doesn't have.

[ChumpDumper]

It's going to be years before there's ever a real fact finding that Trump did something illegal in this case, but I've gotta think the legal pressure is starting to weigh on Trump.

The 11th circuit panel he drew in Florida had an Obama appointee + probably the 2 most hackish right wing judges on that entire circuit, and the ruling against him there was unanimous, and he's not going to get any lucky federalist society judge breaks in NY.

No normal person would be able to run for president with so much litigation going on in the background.

That's absolutely why he's going to run again. He sees winning again as a get out of jail free card, and he's probably not wrong.

[Will Hunting]

That's absolutely why he's going to run again. He sees winning again as a get out of jail free card, and he's probably not wrong.
That saves him from the criminal probe in Florida, but it does jack shit to save him from the civil suit in NY.

I fully expect him to run again, I just think the amount of background noise is going to affect his ability to campaign and even pretend to be normal.

[Leetonidas]

What I mean is that no one would be able to do it without an insane amount of fortitude and stamina that Trump just doesn't have.

He's pretty overweight and clearly has dementia, wonder how long before he pops a vein and keels over :lol

[ChumpDumper]

That saves him from the criminal probe in Florida, but it does jack shit to save him from the civil suit in NY.The consequences there are much less dire even if the suit continued into another Trump presidency.


I fully expect him to run again, I just think the amount of background noise is going to affect his ability to campaign and even pretend to be normal.I could be pretty bad in a debate, but Trump has and will be protected in a right wing media cocoon that will still give him all the airtime he needs. The new CNN will go soft on him as well. I think you'll be surprised at how normalized it's all going to get.

[daboom1]

The new CNN will go soft on him as well.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lmaoExplain how you think the new CNN will go harder on Trump now, Qhris.

Or just fold immediately as always.:tu

[daboom1]

More Firings Coming At CNN With New Management, Report

Don Lemon, Jim Acosta, and some others may be next on the CNN chopping block as the network has begun to make cuts.

Jim Nicosia, the president of News Cycle Media and former managing editor of Mediaite, made the predictions on Twitter and he has a history of being correct on these matters more often than he is not.

“Source: Once the coming shakeup at CNN is done, don’t expect John Berman, Alisyn Camerota, Jim Acosta, Brianna Keilar, Jake Tapper, John King, and Don Lemon to still be at the network OR have their current show assignments,” he said.

https://conservativebrief.com/jake-cnn-65745/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=SG


:lmao this is really important to you


ST Trumptards caring about CNN so hard :lol



The new CNN will go soft on him as well. I think you'll be surprised at how normalized it's all going to get.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthumbs.gfycat.com%2FPastHilarious Eastsiberianlaika-max-1mb.gif&f=1&nofb=1

[ChumpDumper]

Qhris folds immediately.:tu

[daboom1]

Qhris folds immediately.:tu

Oh you got a post in the 2 minutes it took me to post again :lol

That's not even what I was laughing about :lol

Why do you care so much about CNN, Beepbumper?

[ChumpDumper]

Oh you got a post in the 2 minutes it took me to post again :lol

That's not even what I was laughing about :lol

Why do you care so much about CNN, Beepbumper?It's media exposure to old people who vote.

I don't watch it nor do I care about who is hosting what on the network.

[ElNono]

Nope. I can't speak directly to Trumps details but property value when it isn't actually put up for sale to let the market determine the price is extremely ambiguous. I own several properties and protest the tax valuations every year when they come out. I hire professionals to do it. I don't get to set the values, a valuation board decides what the taxable value is. I am confident the real values of the properties are at least twice what the tax appraisals are and probably more. It is not fraud to put the estimated real value of the properties on your financial statement.

It is when you're putting them for collateral. You can't claim it to be $300 million for a loan, then turn around and tell the IRS it's really $100 million. That's fraud plain and simple.

[ElNono]

Property valuations have nothing to do with the IRS until they are sold.

They do have to do with State property taxes if the State charges a percentage of the property value.

EDIT: I also see Will's note on that

[Spurs Homer]

I'm not defending Trump at all, but price to sales ratios of 30-1 are not at all unusual in the stock market, I don't know what a normal PS ratio for a private golf club is but Mar-A-Lago Lago as an ongoing business supposedly reports 25 million revenue per year. At the 75 million valuation claimed by Leticia James that would only be a 3-1 ratio which seems unreasonably low. 30-1 (which seems high to me) puts it at 750 million. Values on property are always ambiguous until they are actually sold and the price determined by the market.

What if Obama did all the same things trump has done?

[CosmicCowboy]

It is when you're putting them for collateral. You can't claim it to be $300 million for a loan, then turn around and tell the IRS it's really $100 million. That's fraud plain and simple.

I borrow using property for collateral all the time. The bank usually wants a financial statement but they always do their own appraisal of the collateral..

[CosmicCowboy]

What if Obama did all the same things trump has done?

If he did it I would say he sucks too. Obama is a better man than Trump.

[ElNono]

I borrow using property for collateral all the time. The bank usually wants a financial statement but they always do their own appraisal of the collateral..

That's because you're small fish. When the bank comes back with the appraisal, you say yes, and sign the dotted line. You're not a recalcitrant fraudster.

This is exactly what the civil suit alleges, and goes beyond loans, but also tax and insurance advantages, which would include tax and insurance fraud.

[Spurs Homer]

If he did it I would say he sucks too. Obama is a better man than Trump.


He would have been lynched the minute he said, "russia- if you are listening"

[daboom1]

https://i.ibb.co/D9hpbtV/d7c610e9d1c8693d.jpg

[daboom1]

There are no damages, the banks received full interest payments &, after years of receiving these payments & making a lot of money by such receipt, not to mention fees, the loans were paid off in full on or before the due date or, the loans are current and receiving full interest payments. Peekaboo James is a racist that is trying to get money for banks that are not entitled. She should focus on Murder, Rape, Drugs & other CRIME that is destroying New York. Rich banks don’t need her help!

RT: https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/109043740621968138

realDonaldTrump https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/109044999912214546

[daboom1]

https://i.ibb.co/fHgBQbK/74dc555f211bb65e.jpg

[Spurs Homer]

Good for her!

She made it part of her political platform - and then

nailed the son of a bitch

promises made- promises kept!

shit id vote for that anyday and twice on sunday!

But i wont vote for an idiot who said mexico would pay for the wall

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.ibb.co/D9hpbtV/d7c610e9d1c8693d.jpg


There are no damages, the banks received full interest payments &, after years of receiving these payments & making a lot of money by such receipt, not to mention fees, the loans were paid off in full on or before the due date or, the loans are current and receiving full interest payments. Peekaboo James is a racist that is trying to get money for banks that are not entitled. She should focus on Murder, Rape, Drugs & other CRIME that is destroying New York. Rich banks don’t need her help!

RT: https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/109043740621968138

realDonaldTrump https://truthsocial.com/users/realDonaldTrump/statuses/109044999912214546


https://i.ibb.co/fHgBQbK/74dc555f211bb65e.jpg
:lol meltdown

[ElNono]

lmao Qopium desperate for a win

[TSA]

lmao Qopium desperate for a win

The irony of this comment coming in djohn's 100th Trump is going down thread :lol

[djohn2oo8]

The irony of this comment coming in djohn's 100th Trump is going down thread :lol
Your Cannon wet dream got overruled.

[ducks]

That's not the American way."

James did not find a crime she could prosecute criminally, but she was able to fulfill her campaign promise to sue Trump. However, Dershowitz told host Tom Basile there is just no victim in what she has alleged.

Dershowitz admitted "I don't know" who the victim in this lawsuit against Trump is.

"Certainly, it's not the big banks," Dershowitz told Basile. "They have an obligation: If somebody wants to sell me a house, and he says it's worth $1 million and Zillow says it's worth $500,000, it's my obligation to check what it's worth. Banks have enormous resources to be able to check.






"Takes the big case that Letitia James focuses on: 40 Wall Street. Trump says it's worth half a billion. She says it's worth only a quarter of a billion. It's an easy issue to assess. You go and do the square footage. You figure out how much square footage is selling for in Wall Street at this particular point in time, and you do your own evaluation."

Even if there might be a issue on the tax audit, the case would be "daunting" for the government to prove wrongdoing, Dershowitz added.

"We'll see where the facts come out, but again, nobody should ever be targeted based on the fact that they may be running for president," Dershowitz said. "That's just wrong, and it would be just as wrong if they targeted Joe Biden or if they had targeted Hillary Clinton.

[ducks]

Audited according to whom? I'm not even sure a single audit has occurred.

Defiantly when he was president

[benefactor]

That's not the American way."

James did not find a crime she could prosecute criminally, but she was able to fulfill her campaign promise to sue Trump. However, Dershowitz told host Tom Basile there is just no victim in what she has alleged.

Dershowitz admitted "I don't know" who the victim in this lawsuit against Trump is.

"Certainly, it's not the big banks," Dershowitz told Basile. "They have an obligation: If somebody wants to sell me a house, and he says it's worth $1 million and Zillow says it's worth $500,000, it's my obligation to check what it's worth. Banks have enormous resources to be able to check.






"Takes the big case that Letitia James focuses on: 40 Wall Street. Trump says it's worth half a billion. She says it's worth only a quarter of a billion. It's an easy issue to assess. You go and do the square footage. You figure out how much square footage is selling for in Wall Street at this particular point in time, and you do your own evaluation."

Even if there might be a issue on the tax audit, the case would be "daunting" for the government to prove wrongdoing, Dershowitz added.

"We'll see where the facts come out, but again, nobody should ever be targeted based on the fact that they may be running for president," Dershowitz said. "That's just wrong, and it would be just as wrong if they targeted Joe Biden or if they had targeted Hillary Clinton.
If they were targeting Biden or Clinton you'd be here stroking your little flaccid junk and cheering them on

[ducks]

If trump did not run and be president she would not have have went after him

[benefactor]

If trump did not run and be president she would not have have went after him
If Trump wasn't an idiot and a blowhard no one would go after him.

[ChumpDumper]

Defiantly when he was president

According to whom?

[ducks]

According to whom?

All presidents do

[ducks]

https://money.cnn.com/2017/04/17/news/economy/president-audit-trump/index.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/19/irs-audit-president-1601120


Chump is to fucking lazy to look it up
Oh wait he js a fucking donkey

[ChumpDumper]

https://money.cnn.com/2017/04/17/news/economy/president-audit-trump/index.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/19/irs-audit-president-1601120


Chump is to fucking lazy to look it up
Oh wait he js a fucking donkeyDid he tell you when it was over? He said he would release his returns when the audit was done.

Or did he lie to you?

[Will Hunting]

The Trump supporters ITT are kinda right with respect to all the "bank fraud" James is suing Trump over.

If Trump is getting sued over loans that the Trump org paid all the interest and principal on, I don't really understand where the damages come from or for that matter how there's even standing to sue him over it.

The only thing with teeth imo is Trump inflating property values on his taxes for purposes of things like the environment easement deductions he's taken, but that stuff is out of James' jurisdiction.

[Will Hunting]

If trump did not run and be president she would not have have went after him
Yeah and if Biden didn't run for president, no one would give a shit about Hunter Biden.

This is a retarded argument.

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[Spurs Homer]

The Trump supporters ITT are kinda right with respect to all the "bank fraud" James is suing Trump over.

If Trump is getting sued over loans that the Trump org paid all the interest and principal on, I don't really understand where the damages come from or for that matter how there's even standing to sue him over it.

The only thing with teeth imo is Trump inflating property values on his taxes for purposes of things like the environment easement deductions he's taken, but that stuff is out of James' jurisdiction.

FRAUD is fraud…
you commit a crime - you have broken the law.

if you rob a bank, use the money to invest and make a yuge profit

say you steal 10 million- use it to gain 10 million more
then you go back to the bank with 20 million and return the 10 mil you stole

you dont get to go free and say “oh but no one got hurt”

this is just the same thing we have dealt with since trump the traitor arrived

two kids break a window - one black one white

black kid = criminal/delinquent-period.
white kid = bad parenting/ family issues/ bad childhood/ not really intentional/ psychological trauma


nope

trump crime family committed crimes-period.

[Will Hunting]

FRAUD is fraud…
you commit a crime - you have broken the law.

if you rob a bank, use the money to invest and make a yuge profit

say you steal 10 million- use it to gain 10 million more
then you go back to the bank with 20 million and return the 10 mil you stole

you dont get to go free and say “oh but no one got hurt”

this is just the same thing we have dealt with since trump the traitor arrived

two kids break a window - one black one white

black kid = criminal/delinquent-period.
white kid = bad parenting/ family issues/ bad childhood/ not really intentional/ psychological trauma


nope

trump crime family committed crimes-period.
Trump isn't getting prosecuted for committing any crimes. He's getting sued for common law fraud in a civil matter. There needs to be standing/damages for a civil suit.

"Oh but no one got hurt" is 100% a valid affirmative defense in a civil lawsuit.

Your bank robbery/window breaking/etc. comparison makes no sense here.

[Spurs Homer]

Trump isn't getting prosecuted for committing any crimes. He's getting sued for common law fraud in a civil matter. There needs to be standing/damages for a civil suit.

"Oh but no one got hurt" is 100% a valid affirmative defense in a civil lawsuit.

Your bank robbery/window breaking/etc. comparison makes no sense here.


Sure, people got hurt.

250 million is the conservative amount she has stated which will go up at trial - not counting more settlement offers by trump crime family.

The fraud he was consistently committing has already been established - the only thing to do now is to tally up the damages and/or settle for an amount that is consistent with the damages he caused.

The criminal referrals also play a part in any settlement going forward and here is where the AG has the upper hand.

Sure - trump can say - ok i will pay 250 mil since no one got hurt and she can counter with -
"250 mil might BEGIN to take care of SOME of the damages - but I will STILL refer your criminal offenses to the SDNY and the IRS"

and so the ongoing settlement negotiations will continue until the trump crime family pays the fair amount or not.

[Will Hunting]

Sure, people got hurt.

250 million is the conservative amount she has stated which will go up at trial - not counting more settlement offers by trump crime family.

The fraud he was consistently committing has already been established - the only thing to do now is to tally up the damages and/or settle for an amount that is consistent with the damages he caused.

The criminal referrals also play a part in any settlement going forward and here is where the AG has the upper hand.

Sure - trump can say - ok i will pay 250 mil since no one got hurt and she can counter with -
"250 mil might BEGIN to take care of SOME of the damages - but I will STILL refer your criminal offenses to the SDNY and the IRS"

and so the ongoing settlement negotiations will continue until the trump crime family pays the fair amount or not.
Who got hurt over Trump using inflated property values to get better terms on loans that he paid in full?

[Spurs Homer]

Who got hurt over Trump using inflated property values to get better terms on loans that he paid in full?

As Tish James said: "the state of New York"

again - if trump was not a rich caucasian - you would NOT be searching for a way to absolve him of crimes - IF that is what you are doing and it sure appears so...

the state of NY and its citizens - who did NOT get the same deals, the same tax breaks, the same tax pardons, the same valuations, the same loan deal rates, the same WEALTH that the trump criminal family cheated the state of NY and its citizenry.

[Will Hunting]

As Tish James said: "the state of New York"

again - if trump was not a rich caucasian - you would NOT be searching for a way to absolve him of crimes - IF that is what you are doing and it sure appears so...

the state of NY and its citizens - who did NOT get the same deals, the same tax breaks, the same tax pardons, the same valuations, the same loan deal rates, the same WEALTH that the trump criminal family cheated the state of NY and its citizenry.
What you're describing simply isn't how common law fraud works in a civil setting. To sue someone for civil fraud, you need to be able to show that (among other things) you relied on their fraudulent misrepresentations and that said reliance was the proximate cause of damages you incurred. Whatever damages were incurred by the "people of New York" because they didn't get the breaks/opportunities/wealth/etc. that Trump got through fraud (still not even sure what you mean by that), their damages weren't PROXIMATELY caused by Trump's fraud.

But by all means, show me the legal precedent where Party A has standing to sue Party B for fraudulently obtaining a bank loan (that was paid on time and in full) from a bank that had no affiliation with Party A purely because Party A "did NOT get the same deals, the same tax breaks, the same tax pardons, the same valuations, the same loan deal rates" that Party B got through the bank fraud it perpetrated.

You're basically saying that I have standing to sue literally anyone who's ever committed bank fraud because I didn't get whatever benefits they got from the fraud they committed :lol

[Spurs Homer]

What you're describing simply isn't how common law fraud works in a civil setting. To sue someone for civil fraud, you need to be able to show that (among other things) you relied on their fraudulent misrepresentations and that said reliance was the proximate cause of damages you incurred. Whatever damages were incurred by the "people of New York" because they didn't get the breaks/opportunities/wealth/etc. that Trump got through fraud (still not even sure what you mean by that), their damages weren't PROXIMATELY caused by Trump's fraud.

But by all means, show me the legal precedent where Party A has standing to sue Party B for fraudulently obtaining a bank loan (that was paid on time and in full) from a bank that had no affiliation with Party A purely because Party A "did NOT get the same deals, the same tax breaks, the same tax pardons, the same valuations, the same loan deal rates" that Party B got through the bank fraud it perpetrated.

You're basically saying that I have standing to sue literally anyone who's ever committed bank fraud because I didn't get whatever benefits they got from the fraud they committed :lol


We will have to wait and see what gives her the confidence that she has the goods on trump.

if she has no more than what you described - then -yup - you would be correct - no standing.

However, i am betting she has some proof of the fraud and how damages are owed to the tune of at least 250 mil.

[Will Hunting]

We will have to wait and see what gives her the confidence that she has the goods on trump.

if she has no more than what you described - then -yup - you would be correct - no standing.

However, i am betting she has some proof of the fraud and how damages are owed to the tune of at least 250 mil.
It could be that she has statutory authority to go after him and that's the basis for her suit; I still think it's not a great look that after a several years long investigation there aren't any criminal charges.

[Spurs Homer]

Altho’ … ^ (forgot to add)

she did mention that at least one of those banks/institutions are under investigation

AND

she also mentioned that Deutsche bank was “cooperating”
so that might be why she is confident she has the goods on trump…

[Spurs Homer]

It could be that she has statutory authority to go after him and that's the basis for her suit; I still think it's not a great look that after a several years long investigation there aren't any criminal charges.

agreed

no criminal charges for two reasons

1) alvin bragg was bought and paid for and left her holding the bag on criminal charges

2) not her jurisdiction to charge criminally



and finally- she did say there appeared to be state and federal criminal charges which she referred to the SDNY and the IRS

[Will Hunting]

I personally don't think she's expecting to ever get a damages payment from Trump or the Trump org., I think her goal is to get Trump's businesses kicked out of New York which has a much more realistic chance of happening.

[MultiTroll]

1) alvin bragg was bought and paid for and left her holding the bag on criminal charges
Is fat F Alvin Bragg still keeping up the charade that he may still pursue charges? :lol

[Spurs Homer]

Is fat F Alvin Bragg still keeping up the charade that he may still pursue charges? :lol

lol

yup

[spurraider21]

Who got hurt over Trump using inflated property values to get better terms on loans that he paid in full?
what better terms?

could the bank have gotten even better terms? more interest? faster payback schedule? those could be a form of damages, depending of the specifics

[ducks]

People wanted Biden’s son investigationed long before Biden ran for office

[ChumpDumper]

People wanted Biden’s son investigationed long before Biden ran for office

Biden ran for office in 1970, the year Hunter was born.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs Benhazi-ing Hunter Biden, Fauci, Biden for Afghan exit, etc,etc, to SLANDER those people as Repugs slandered Hillary

[ducks]

Biden ran for office in 1970, the year Hunter was born.

He had to fuck and make him first
Duh
He trained him to smoke coke

[ChumpDumper]

He had to fuck and make him first
Duh
He trained him to smoke cokeGo back and try to understand your own post.

[SpurForLife]

Go back and try to understand your own post.

I agree. That was dumb even for Ducks

[Will Hunting]

what better terms?

could the bank have gotten even better terms? more interest? faster payback schedule? those could be a form of damages, depending of the specifics
Chances are the interest and amortization period wouldn't change, just the loan amount, but regardless, everything you're describing would be opportunity cost/consequential damages and it would be a lot harder to demonstrate a proximate connection between said opportunity cost and whatever fraud Trump committed.

[SpursforSix]

Obviously , you are ok with all his crimes…

tax fraud? - ah its ok
insurance fraud? - ah everyone does it


you are probably just as much a criminal as the guy you defend,


The similarities don't stop there. The pee pee fetish...
Although, in these cases, Trump's is less weird.


The video in question reportedly shows (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html) Trump in the presidential suite at Moscow’s posh Ritz-Carlton Hotel, watching two prostitutes pee on a bed the Obamas supposedly slept in. The incident allegedly took place in 2013, when Trump was visiting Moscow to attend the Miss Universe pageant.



do you want me to pee infront of your 13 year old daughter?

[ElNono]

I personally don't think she's expecting to ever get a damages payment from Trump or the Trump org., I think her goal is to get Trump's businesses kicked out of New York which has a much more realistic chance of happening.

In this particular case her primary goal is entirely political, and she hasn't even pretended that's not the case. A civil case has a much lower bar than a criminal case, so she opted for the better odds of winning. Beating on a loser like Trump is simply good politics in New York.

And let's be frank here, this is not very different from Trump U. ducks-like Trump retards won't even register this, even after losing and even if some amount of fraud is proven.

[boutons_deux]

In this particular case her primary goal is entirely political

Prosecutorial discretion

like the Repug Senate blocking TWO slam-dunk impeachments of Trash

[Spurs Homer]

In this particular case her primary goal is entirely political, and she hasn't even pretended that's not the case. A civil case has a much lower bar than a criminal case, so she opted for the better odds of winning. Beating on a loser like Trump is simply good politics in New York.

And let's be frank here, this is not very different from Trump U. ducks-like Trump retards won't even register this, even after losing and even if some amount of fraud is proven.

Not ENTIRELY political….

she is following the law and she isnt making up stuff out of thin air the same way as trump and bill barr did with the corrupt trump doj

yes- SOME of it is political - good for her- might as well fight fire with fire in some areas of this war

[MultiTroll]

Is this civil case going to drone on for 3 more years like all the rest of the political cases?

Butthead Gaetz bought his way out. Or has Leticia got more money and power behind her then Flori duh?

[Will Hunting]

In this particular case her primary goal is entirely political, and she hasn't even pretended that's not the case. A civil case has a much lower bar than a criminal case, so she opted for the better odds of winning. Beating on a loser like Trump is simply good politics in New York.

And let's be frank here, this is not very different from Trump U. ducks-like Trump retards won't even register this, even after losing and even if some amount of fraud is proven.
Well yeah, this whole thing is political and James isn't even trying to hide that.

Idk why the Trump simps ITT are acting like it's some kind of own to point out the obvious.