Trump refers to Desantis as “fat,” “phony,” and “whiny"

[Will Hunting]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/donald-trump-maggie-haberman-mar-a-lago/671510/


I brought up another potential future primary rival, by mentioning that he had been compared to New Jersey’s feisty Governor Chris Christie before the two men faced off in the 2016 primary. Trump replied, “I was compared to him? Why? I didn’t know I had that big of a weight problem.” A small smirk followed. Then: “He’s an opportunist.” I heard that Trump was describing Florida Governor Ron DeSantis in similar terms, calling him “fat,” “phony,” and “whiny,” while claiming credit for making his candidacy in 2018.

:lol the inevitable divorce DeSantis and Trump are going to have will be hilarious

[boutons_deux]

https://static.politico.com/46/72/b7cea13c43bc8d57262d44479dcf/desantis-773-ap-1.jpg


Desantis is seriously overweight, iow, an average American

[JamStone]

DeSantis is more threatening simply because he’s 30 years younger and likely will be around longer to continue to be a danger to America. And he seems just as crazy, just as power hungry and power driven, just as narcissistic. He doesn’t have quite the hypnotizing ability Trump has over some people. But his youth is what’s potentially very scary.

[Spurs Homer]

DeSantis is more threatening simply because he’s 30 years younger and likely will be around longer to continue to be a danger to America. And he seems just as crazy, just as power hungry and power driven, just as narcissistic. He doesn’t have quite the hypnotizing ability Trump has over some people. But his youth is what’s potentially very scary.

and

no one ever remembers when russia attacked our elections and desantis was right there alongside gym jordan making a mockery of congressional hearings and defending putin, trump and russia...

I am certain Russia had a say in desantis winning the gov election in florida - i am not going to be shocked if one day we find russia financed much of desantis' political career.

[Will Hunting]

DeSantis is more threatening simply because he’s 30 years younger and likely will be around longer to continue to be a danger to America. And he seems just as crazy, just as power hungry and power driven, just as narcissistic. He doesn’t have quite the hypnotizing ability Trump has over some people. But his youth is what’s potentially very scary.
DeSantis is "scarier" because he's smarter and so much more efficient at using executive power than Trump ever will be, but I don't think he'll have the staying power that Trump has. The average AmeriFAT in Iowa viewed Trump as the paragon of American wealth and success before he ever entered politics which gave him a cult of personality that no one will ever match.

Other young up and coming politicians like DeSantis have a small window of 1-2 cycles max when there's good momentum behind them running for president, and DeSantis won't be any different. Heck, by 2028 the GOP might have a new flavor of the month no one has even heard of yet.

DeSantis is also a dork. He's a 5'9" manlet with a nasal voice. I don't really get why people view DeSantis as the "Trump, but really good in suburbs!" candidate. He was the first Republican in Florida to lose Duval County since the 1980s.

[JamStone]

Really good points. Trump’s celebrity and fame with a lot of people before politics is a major reason his cult not only grew but has had surprising staying power, despite everything it represents against common sense and reality. I hope you’re right that DeSantis simply won’t have that same type of following or staying power. And with your reasoning, I do tend to agree with you.

[daboom1]

hearsay

[Blake]

hearsay

Well one thing we know for fact is that Trump is fat, phony and whiny

[Will Hunting]

NGL, Trump is hilarious when he's going after other Republicans

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933504273923309671/1020425661309014017/IMG_3844.png

[Blake]

It's hilarious when he goes after anyone because there's always a backfire tweet or jpeg

https://media.wired.com/photos/5c461ec108861023816ce326/master/pass/Culture-Trump-1082818598.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Really good points. Trump’s celebrity and fame with a lot of people before politics is a major reason his cult not only grew but has had surprising staying power, despite everything it represents against common sense and reality. I hope you’re right that DeSantis simply won’t have that same type of following or staying power. And with your reasoning, I do tend to agree with you.

Fascist Desantis is vastly more dangerous because he's smart, Yalie graduate, not ignorant and stupid like Trash who was known to his professor as the dumbest student he ever had.

Fascist Desantis also has the advantage of learning from Trash's failed fascist coup and other mistakes.

Repugs also watched very carefully how Trash failed and will certainly finish the job of degrading USA into fascism, starting as soon as this November is Repugs take the House. ALL Dem investigations will be cancelled, and many Benghazi-type harassment investigations will be started, of Fauci, Hunter Biden, etc, etc. Repugs will NOT govern, only shitbag politics.

[JamStone]

Smart can be dangerous for a politician with a crazy ideology and/or agenda if he has a following to not only put him in political power but to keep him in political power. I don’t disagree that DeSantis is smarter, and how could he not be? We have yet to know for sure if he has the political influence among the masses outside of Florida to really be a legitimate danger on a national scale and a threat for the presidency.

[florige]

NGL, Trump is hilarious when he's going after other Republicans

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933504273923309671/1020425661309014017/IMG_3844.png

I almost want Trump to not get locked up until after the GOP primaries just so I can witness him and DeSantis going at it

[Chucho]

hearsay

Are you with Trump or are you with the conservation of the Grand Ol Party? T

[benefactor]

I almost want Trump to not get locked up until after the GOP primaries just so I can witness him and DeSantis going at it
Would be hilarious. DeSantis has years of ammunition against Trump

[baseline bum]

I almost want Trump to not get locked up until after the GOP primaries just so I can witness him and DeSantis going at it

Would be hilarious to see Desantis get the nomination and then Trump cry the primaries were rigged and torpedo him and the gop with a third party run.

[boutons_deux]

Smart can be dangerous for a politician with a crazy ideology and/or agenda if he has a following to not only put him in political power but to keep him in political power. I don’t disagree that DeSantis is smarter, and how could he not be? We have yet to know for sure if he has the political influence among the masses outside of Florida to really be a legitimate danger on a national scale and a threat for the presidency.

Big Repug $$$s not going to Trash, but to Desantis.

Desantis private, armed election Gestapo will intimidate 100Ks of FLoridians away from the polls,

which is advantage Desantis, advantage Repugs who always benefit from low turnout.

Paul Weyrich said it 40 years ago.

[daboom1]

Are you with Trump or are you with the conservation of the Grand Ol Party? T

c.) all of the above

[Will Hunting]

Would be hilarious to see Desantis get the nomination and then Trump cry the primaries were rigged and torpedo him and the gop with a third party run.
This is why DeSantis isn't going to run against him, he knows that even if he beats Trump in a GOP primary, he loses.

[Spurminator]

This is why DeSantis isn't going to run against him, he knows that even if he beats Trump in a GOP primary, he loses.

I expect the GOP establishment to consolidate around DeSantis and convince Trump to endorse him.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I expect the GOP establishment to consolidate around DeSantis and convince Trump to endorse him.

that's essentially equivalent to asking a hungry grizzly bear to eat leaves off a tree instead of the freshly killed deer next to said tree

[spurraider21]

I expect the GOP establishment to consolidate around DeSantis and convince Trump to endorse him.
theres no convincing trump. if anything they have to sell desantis on being trumps vp and heir apparent

[Dirks_Finale]

that's essentially equivalent to asking a hungry grizzly bear to eat leaves off a tree instead of the freshly killed deer next to said tree


Exactly, anyone who has paid even a small amount of attention to Trump and his character flaws knows that ain't happening. Trump will burn the whole house down first.

DeSantis won't run if Trump is still in the picture.

[Will Hunting]

I expect the GOP establishment to consolidate around DeSantis and convince Trump to endorse him.
And Trump won't give a shit. If he loses to DeSantis in 2024 he'll be a fat old man with no political future who's probably 5-10 years away from dying (in a best case scenario for him), why the fuck would he care about helping the GOP establishment at that point?

[Will Hunting]

Trump's PAC is sitting on $100 million right now and he's not using a penny of it to help GOP candidates in close races, even Trump-endorsed candidates like Doug Mastriano who are underfunded and could really use help from a PAC.

If he's too selfish to use PAC money to help a governor candidate he endorsed in Pennsylvania who's basically said that he would rig the 2024 PA election for Trump if he's elected, why the fuck would he ever get behind a primary opponent who beats him in 2024 and ends his political career?

[Spurminator]

Trump's PAC is sitting on $100 million right now and he's not using a penny of it to help GOP candidates in close races, even Trump-endorsed candidates like Doug Mastriano who are underfunded and could really use help from a PAC.

If he's too selfish to use PAC money to help a governor candidate he endorsed in Pennsylvania who's basically said that he would rig the 2024 PA election for Trump if he's elected, why the fuck would he ever get behind a primary opponent who beats him in 2024 and ends his political career?

He doesn't get beaten if he doesn't even run.

The GOP doesn't want him to run, and it's for the exact reasons you guys have already brought up. He's a poison pill.

[Spurminator]

And it's not like I'm saying they'll "ask him nicely." One can only imagine how much dirt they have on him.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Trump has no choice but to run. His criminal and civil jeopardy is so great that the best and only way to avoid or at least mitigate/delay it is to be president again.

And Trump could rape his grandchild on stage during one of his rallies and still have support of half the Republican party. Darrin has proved that.

[Spurminator]

I think Trump has no choice but to run. His criminal and civil jeopardy is so great that the best and only way to avoid or at least mitigate/delay it is to be president again.

Not if he's promised a pardon in exchange for his endorsement. He has a better chance at getting that than of winning the Presidency.

[Spurminator]

"I will pardon Trump from all pending investigations and prevent future ones" is probably a top-five effective campaign message for the next Republican candidate.

[ChumpDumper]

Not if he's promised a pardon in exchange for his endorsement. He has a better chance at getting that than of winning the Presidency.It looks like the document case is moving way too fast for public citizen Trump to avoid prison before November 2024. I can't see his waiting passively for DeSantis to win while he could still run for president from behind bars.

[ChumpDumper]

"I will pardon Trump from all pending investigations and prevent future ones" is probably a top-five effective campaign message for the next Republican candidate.Will work in the primaries for sure.

[Spurminator]

It looks like the document case is moving way too fast for public citizen Trump to avoid prison before November 2024. I can't see his waiting passively for DeSantis to win while he could still run for president from behind bars.

I still don't think he'll get prison but even if that was imminent, he'd probably just hide out in Russia.

[ChumpDumper]

I still don't think he'll get prison but even if that was imminent, he'd probably just hide out in Russia.

And still run for president from there.

[Monostradamus]

And Trump could rape his grandchild on stage during one of his rallies and still have support of half the Republican party. Darrin has proved that.

1. You can’t prove it’s rape. She was just being dramatic. I hate Drumpf, but come on, if you can’t do a little consensual rape play on stage with your grandchild, then we’re basically Communist China!

2. Biden sniffed a girl’s hair!

[Chucho]

So...we're looking at a Biden/Coon vs Trump/Career suicide and a pitiful 3rd party candidate in 2024.

Gonna abstain again. Dems gonna win. Will check back in in a few years but expect to see the same 3-5 people doing the same thing they've done habitually for a quarter century. Thank goodness you guys keep this place going. Great work.

[Chris Fall]

Trump supporters are delusional to the extreme but maybe not that depraved. But Trump has given them an out for any and every situation, no matter how bad. Just lie. Lie and lie and lie some more until you even believe the lies. Look at Roger Stone. Caught on video. He goes straight to the "uh well the media manipulated the audio" lie. It's the blueprint for everything that casts him in a bad light.

There's nothing his followers can be phased by. Anything negative and it's a liberal witch hunt. Any clear and obvious sin, and they'll say it was staged. Any lie to cover up a crime, and they'll believe it. To the bitter end.

It's the ultimate brainwash. It's amazing really.

[Blake]

So...we're looking at a Biden/Coon vs Trump/Career suicide and a pitiful 3rd party candidate in 2024.


Racist right wing jackass confirmed. Thanks for checking in. Great stuff.

[Will Hunting]

"I will pardon Trump from all pending investigations and prevent future ones" is probably a top-five effective campaign message for the next Republican candidate.
I think making whether or not Trump gets a pardon an issue in 2024 would be an insanely stupid thing for the GOP candidate (assuming it's not Trump) to do.

[Will Hunting]

And it's not like I'm saying they'll "ask him nicely." One can only imagine how much dirt they have on him.
Whatever dirt the GOP establishment has on Trump, it hasn't stopped him from sabotaging several key races this year by endorsing the worst possible candidates.

[FrostKing]

I shared this with my Cali Conservestives

[spurraider21]

And it's not like I'm saying they'll "ask him nicely." One can only imagine how much dirt they have on him.
who is going to be the one to release such dirt? liz cheney? lincoln project?

[Spurminator]

I think making whether or not Trump gets a pardon an issue in 2024 would be an insanely stupid thing for the GOP candidate (assuming it's not Trump) to do.

Based on what? That message wouldn't lose any voters on the right, and stands to gain a lot from the MAGA bloc who might otherwise see the GOP candidate as a RINO or Trump enemy and stay home in 2024.

It's certainly not going to change anyone's vote on the left.

[Spurminator]

who is going to be the one to release such dirt? liz cheney? lincoln project?

If it came to that I would expect an anonymous leak followed by a full court press from FOX News, Mitch McConnell, and other mainstream Republicans to denounce whatever activity they reveal. Sort of like you saw for like 6 hours after Jan 6.

[Spurminator]

But it would never come to that because Trump would bend the knee.

And I think they'll go the bribery route before the blackmail route.

[ChumpDumper]

Based on what? That message wouldn't lose any voters on the right, and stands to gain a lot from the MAGA bloc who might otherwise see the GOP candidate as a RINO or Trump enemy and stay home in 2024.

It's certainly not going to change anyone's vote on the left.Independents are a substantial group.

[spurraider21]

If it came to that I would expect an anonymous leak followed by a full court press from FOX News, Mitch McConnell, and other mainstream Republicans to denounce whatever activity they reveal. Sort of like you saw for like 6 hours after Jan 6.
i doubt it would last. i think you underestimate the pull trump has on their base

[Spurminator]

Independents are a substantial group.

They're also hard to define because plenty of straight ticket voters on both sides identify as "independent." And they have a 50/50 interest in Trump being charged. I doubt this is an issue that true independents will be swayed by.

[Spurminator]

i doubt it would last. i think you underestimate the pull trump has on their base

What wouldn't last? I'm not talking about an embarrassing dick pic here, we're talking crimes and legal consequences. That's the threat. And Trump will bend the knee before letting that happen.

[ChumpDumper]

They're also hard to define because plenty of straight ticket voters on both sides identify as "independent." And they have a 50/50 interest in Trump being charged. I doubt this is an issue that true independents will be swayed by.
Wouldn't take many. All that would be needed is to continue the anti-Trump sentiment among independents from 2020.

What wouldn't last? I'm not talking about an embarrassing dick pic here, we're talking crimes and legal consequences. That's the threat. And Trump will bend the knee before letting that happen.
What's worse than what he's currently facing?

[koriwhat]

DeSantis is more threatening simply because he’s 30 years younger and likely will be around longer to continue to be a danger to America.

LMAO DeSantis is a danger to America? Nah more like a wrecking ball to yalls neo-Marxist bullshit! :tu

[spurraider21]

remember, he's not a republican btw

[Spurminator]

Wouldn't take many. All that would be needed is to continue the anti-Trump sentiment among independents from 2020.

Depends on if there's more maga cultist votes to gain.


What's worse than what he's currently facing?

The risk of prison is a lot worse if he doesn't have the entire conservative media arm behind him along with every Republican congressman.

[ElNono]

And Trump could rape his grandchild on stage during one of his rallies and still have support of half the Republican party. Darrin has proved that.


1. You can’t prove it’s rape. She was just being dramatic. I hate Drumpf, but come on, if you can’t do a little consensual rape play on stage with your grandchild, then we’re basically Communist China!

2. Biden sniffed a girl’s hair!


3. Hunter Biden durr hurr, laptop, walls closing in, heading to the bar to cope, etc...

[JamStone]

LMAO DeSantis is a danger to America? Nah more like a wrecking ball to yalls neo-Marxist bullshit! :tu

Anyone in a political position of power can be dangerous if they were willing to abuse the power or are incompetent.

E.g., Biden is dangerous because he’s a senile old man. Trump was dangerous because he’s stupid and made decision based on self interest. And he’s still dangerous because he has millions of morons still supporting him.

DeSantis has already proven he’ll abuse his power. He showed it just last week, using some covid funding to help pay for his migrants to Martha’s Vineyard stunt.

[Blake]

I'd love to know where kori gets his talking points from

[Millennial_Messiah]

Whatever dirt the GOP establishment has on Trump, it hasn't stopped him from sabotaging several key races this year by endorsing the worst possible candidates.

other than picking Dr. Oz over McCormick, who are you talking about?

[boutons_deux]

Trash got 75M votes "certfied" in 2020

His support has dropped since then

So a certified 75M is unlikely, but 10M stolen votes are very likely from MAGAtts a Confederate/red Secy of State and election officials

But counting votes will be irrelevant if SCOTUS6 approves "independent state legislature" BS where state legislatures can violate state constitutions and ignore state judiciary when counting votes, and ignore votes counts, can accept fraud counts from MAGAtt district staff, selecting electors.

[spurraider21]

I'd love to know where kori gets his talking points from
Truthsocial

[Blake]

Truthsocial

At least Qris admits it

[Isitjustme?]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/donald-trump-maggie-haberman-mar-a-lago/671510/



:lol the inevitable divorce DeSantis and Trump are going to have will be hilarious

:lol its gonna be so great

[ChumpDumper]

Depends on if there's more maga cultist votes to gain.Likely not more than 2020.


The risk of prison is a lot worse if he doesn't have the entire conservative media arm behind him along with every Republican congressman.Media arms won't change a documents trial. Running for president again might. Winning definitely would.

[Winehole23]

Didn't DeSantis (he was a US Rep, then) and Rubio vote against aid for Sandy?

I hear now DeSantis wants Biden to redirect aid from other states to fully fund the first 60 days post-disaster.

[Winehole23]

there's going to be Olympics-level excuse-making and blame shifting

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

Texas -based

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[Winehole23]

Wild videos from Sanibel Island, Fort Myers, Naples and Cape Coral

[Winehole23]

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[koriwhat]

DeSantis has already proven he’ll abuse his power. He showed it just last week, using some covid funding to help pay for his migrants to Martha’s Vineyard stunt.

LMFAO Go DeSantis Go! Send more with that bullshit Kung-Flu $!!! :tu

[koriwhat]

Truthsocial

Never visited it... Tell us about that platform bud. :tu

You and your assumptions never cease to amaze me. Project much you fucking shit lawyer? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

kori watches Tru News and Infowars.

[Will Hunting]

other than picking Dr. Oz over McCormick, who are you talking about?
Oz over McCormick hasn't even been that bad imo. McCormick would def be better but I still think Oz wins; he's had some cringe moments but he's also running a great retail campaign

Mastriano has been a disaster in the PA governor race. Shapiro is a B- candidate and he's probably going to win by 5+% because of how bad Mastriano is.

JD Vance is probably still going to win his race in Ohio but he's a shit candidate who's needed McConnell's PAC to spend $30 million on ads for him that could have gone to other states

Georgia would be an automatic pick up for the GOP except it's a close race because they nominated a spear chucking monkey who can't speak English

OH-09 should have been an easy congressional pickup for the GOP but Trump endorsed a fat sack of trailer trash who lied about his military record and is now getting abandoned by the NRCC

Blake Masters' approvals are underwater in Arizona. Kelly is a strong incumbent so it might not have mattered, but the amount of independents in AZ who disapprove of Biden while also disapproving of Masters is nuts


and that's just off the top of my head

[Splits]

3. Hunter Biden durr hurr, laptop, walls closing in, heading to the bar to cope, etc...

4. John dur dur dur dur Durham report coming

[Millennial_Messiah]

Oz over McCormick hasn't even been that bad imo. McCormick would def be better but I still think Oz wins; he's had some cringe moments but he's also running a great retail campaign

Mastriano has been a disaster in the PA governor race. Shapiro is a B- candidate and he's probably going to win by 5+% because of how bad Mastriano is.

JD Vance is probably still going to win his race in Ohio but he's a shit candidate who's needed McConnell's PAC to spend $30 million on ads for him that could have gone to other states

Georgia would be an automatic pick up for the GOP except it's a close race because they nominated a spear chucking monkey who can't speak English

OH-09 should have been an easy congressional pickup for the GOP but Trump endorsed a fat sack of trailer trash who lied about his military record and is now getting abandoned by the NRCC

Blake Masters' approvals are underwater in Arizona. Kelly is a strong incumbent so it might not have mattered, but the amount of independents in AZ who disapprove of Biden while also disapproving of Masters is nuts


and that's just off the top of my head
Oz only beats Fetterman by a narrow margin because Fetterman is phony fake-woke far left poser trash not because Oz is some juggernaut. If Conor Lamb who is an A- candidate was selected by the DNC / Democrats, Lamb would have beaten Oz by at least 3% and McCormick by at least 1% imo. The Dems are going to rue not propping up Lamb in PA. I've said that for a year though.

As for Mastriano, you really think he's going to underperform Oz on the same ticket that bad? Mastriano can very well win. Who do you think would have done better, imo? Lou Barletta was the other realistic choice. He was also pro MAGA so Trump really had a tough call there.

Vance is going to win by around Trump margins, 8-9%. Would win by more if Tim Ryan wasn't painted as this blue dog democrat type. If he was running against a Fetterman or Mandela Barnes type of progressivist neo-marxist, Vance would win by >15%; i.e. the margin DeWine will win by.

Nobody challenged Hershel Walker in Georgia. Vernon Jones was the only other realistic choice but he quickly decided to run for house instead. Walker is going to win, realistically by around 3-4% in this environment, but by about 2% less than Kemp on the same ticket. Walker wasn't the worst choice, though; imagine if someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene decided to run for senate? Or one of the Perdue clan.

OH-09 is going to be a flip no matter what because of the redistricting. I've spent a LOT of time in this district this summer/fall and I'm actually posting from Sandusky right now. 20th day at Cedar Point for me today. Majewski signs are everywhere. Majewski enthusiasm in the grassroots is everywhere. People around here have awaken to the fact that Marcy is essentially Nancy Midwest. He performed terribly in the primary polls, didn't really even campaign in the primary and yet won a loaded jungle primary against "more electable" candidates by a decent margin. He's going to take out Pelosi-Midwest Marcy Kaptur and it's going to be over 5%. With the old district lines I agree it would have been very close. But I don't see Kaptur making a comeback if and when she loses. She's a bitty old lady. We'll have to see how that Ohio Supreme Court race goes too, if the GOP flips another Ohio supreme court seat they could make the current map good for ten years. Which would pretty much leave the Democrats with only 2 house seats in Ohio through at least 2030. Chabot is that kind of Bucks County PA Fitzpatrick moderate GOP type who will survive in a purple-side of blue city district even in rough years.

I believe Blake Masters will be carried to a narrow victory in AZ by Lake winning by about 6% in the governor race. It will be close because Kelly is an incumbent. If his voting record was more in line with Sinema's, I believe Kelly would have won comfortably; however, he's voted straight blue ticket in a pink state, which is a problem, celebrity astronaut or not. Look at Bill Nelson in Florida. Couldn't even survive re-election in a more purple (At the time, not now) state in a blue wave environment year in 2018. But the thing was, with the AZ senate race, if not Blake Masters, then who else? Mark Brnovich was the clear front runner before Trump endorsed Masters, but Brnovich would have been even more UNELECTABLE because he was the one most closely tied to the 2020 AZ election audits which as they drug on they became extremely unpopular. Who else? Failure McSally a third time? LOL. I mean yeah you could have tried to get one of the most electable guys like Paul Gosar or Andy Biggs to run for senate and they would have been great candidates, but that assumes they're willing to give up their house seat for good for not a sure thing in the senate.

Another one you didn't mention is New Hampshire, which I believe Trump would have done well to follow Chris Sununu's lead in endorsing Chuck Morse well ahead of time, who would have beaten Hassan the incumbent there. However I don't believe Bolduc will win. He's a war hawk and NH doesn't like war hawks.

Nevada on the other hand is going to go red at all 3 levels (governor, house, and senate) by around 4-5% and the Laxalt pick was actually pretty damn good. He's going to beat CCM by easily over 3 percent and the GOP will have either 52 or 53 senate seats at the turn of the new year.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[Blake]

I like how he has name imprinted on his ski vest

[ChumpDumper]

I like how he has name imprinted on his ski vestShould've at least monogrammed his go-go boots.

[Will Hunting]

Oz only beats Fetterman by a narrow margin because Fetterman is phony fake-woke far left poser trash not because Oz is some juggernaut. If Conor Lamb who is an A- candidate was selected by the DNC / Democrats, Lamb would have beaten Oz by at least 3% and McCormick by at least 1% imo. The Dems are going to rue not propping up Lamb in PA. I've said that for a year though.

As for Mastriano, you really think he's going to underperform Oz on the same ticket that bad? Mastriano can very well win. Who do you think would have done better, imo? Lou Barletta was the other realistic choice. He was also pro MAGA so Trump really had a tough call there.

Vance is going to win by around Trump margins, 8-9%. Would win by more if Tim Ryan wasn't painted as this blue dog democrat type. If he was running against a Fetterman or Mandela Barnes type of progressivist neo-marxist, Vance would win by >15%; i.e. the margin DeWine will win by.

Nobody challenged Hershel Walker in Georgia. Vernon Jones was the only other realistic choice but he quickly decided to run for house instead. Walker is going to win, realistically by around 3-4% in this environment, but by about 2% less than Kemp on the same ticket. Walker wasn't the worst choice, though; imagine if someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene decided to run for senate? Or one of the Perdue clan.

OH-09 is going to be a flip no matter what because of the redistricting. I've spent a LOT of time in this district this summer/fall and I'm actually posting from Sandusky right now. 20th day at Cedar Point for me today. Majewski signs are everywhere. Majewski enthusiasm in the grassroots is everywhere. People around here have awaken to the fact that Marcy is essentially Nancy Midwest. He performed terribly in the primary polls, didn't really even campaign in the primary and yet won a loaded jungle primary against "more electable" candidates by a decent margin. He's going to take out Pelosi-Midwest Marcy Kaptur and it's going to be over 5%. With the old district lines I agree it would have been very close. But I don't see Kaptur making a comeback if and when she loses. She's a bitty old lady. We'll have to see how that Ohio Supreme Court race goes too, if the GOP flips another Ohio supreme court seat they could make the current map good for ten years. Which would pretty much leave the Democrats with only 2 house seats in Ohio through at least 2030. Chabot is that kind of Bucks County PA Fitzpatrick moderate GOP type who will survive in a purple-side of blue city district even in rough years.

I believe Blake Masters will be carried to a narrow victory in AZ by Lake winning by about 6% in the governor race. It will be close because Kelly is an incumbent. If his voting record was more in line with Sinema's, I believe Kelly would have won comfortably; however, he's voted straight blue ticket in a pink state, which is a problem, celebrity astronaut or not. Look at Bill Nelson in Florida. Couldn't even survive re-election in a more purple (At the time, not now) state in a blue wave environment year in 2018. But the thing was, with the AZ senate race, if not Blake Masters, then who else? Mark Brnovich was the clear front runner before Trump endorsed Masters, but Brnovich would have been even more UNELECTABLE because he was the one most closely tied to the 2020 AZ election audits which as they drug on they became extremely unpopular. Who else? Failure McSally a third time? LOL. I mean yeah you could have tried to get one of the most electable guys like Paul Gosar or Andy Biggs to run for senate and they would have been great candidates, but that assumes they're willing to give up their house seat for good for not a sure thing in the senate.

Another one you didn't mention is New Hampshire, which I believe Trump would have done well to follow Chris Sununu's lead in endorsing Chuck Morse well ahead of time, who would have beaten Hassan the incumbent there. However I don't believe Bolduc will win. He's a war hawk and NH doesn't like war hawks.

Nevada on the other hand is going to go red at all 3 levels (governor, house, and senate) by around 4-5% and the Laxalt pick was actually pretty damn good. He's going to beat CCM by easily over 3 percent and the GOP will have either 52 or 53 senate seats at the turn of the new year.
There is so much about this tweet that's hilariously wrong, but I don't feel like picking it apart right now. That comes later.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao being so sure that OH-09 would flip

It wasn't even competitive. Marcy Kaptur destroyed that fat fuck.

[Millennial_Messiah]

There is so much about this tweet that's hilariously wrong, but I don't feel like picking it apart right now. That comes later.

I was wrong on OH-09 and Mastriano outperforming Oz. I nailed the Miami urban flip, nailed Vance, nailed the situation in New Hampshire, and will likely nail Nevada. A still lot to be counted.


:lmao being so sure that OH-09 would flip

It wasn't even competitive. Marcy Kaptur destroyed that fat fuck.
Marcy has been in there as long as Nancy. She knows how to get dirty money and use it. Kept spamming commercials all over Cedar Point and Toledo about how Majewski was going to defund SS and Medicare which was of course horse shit, but it's stuff ancestral (D)s and older indepedents bite on literally every time.

Also I fucking nailed DeSantis/Rubio winning by >15%. They won by fucking twenty. DeSantis >>>>>>>>> Trump, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

All right, time to unpack all of the down syndrome in this tweet


Oz only beats Fetterman by a narrow margin because Fetterman is phony fake-woke far left poser trash not because Oz is some juggernaut. If Conor Lamb who is an A- candidate was selected by the DNC / Democrats, Lamb would have beaten Oz by at least 3% and McCormick by at least 1% imo. The Dems are going to rue not propping up Lamb in PA. I've said that for a year though.
Final result: Fetterman beat Oz by 4.4% and out performed Biden in EVERY COUNTY except Monroe, Pike and Chester. Fetterman did better than you thought Lamb would do.

you're 0/1 so far


As for Mastriano, you really think he's going to underperform Oz on the same ticket that bad? Mastriano can very well win. Who do you think would have done better, imo? Lou Barletta was the other realistic choice. He was also pro MAGA so Trump really had a tough call there.
Oz lost by 4.4%. Mastriano lost by 14.4%. He underperformed Oz by 10% and never had a chance of winning.

Lou Barletta was pro-Trump but he wasn't a Christian nationalist nut case who literally thought god would intervene to help his campaign.

you're 0/2 so far.


Vance is going to win by around Trump margins, 8-9%. Would win by more if Tim Ryan wasn't painted as this blue dog democrat type. If he was running against a Fetterman or Mandela Barnes type of progressivist neo-marxist, Vance would win by >15%; i.e. the margin DeWine will win by.
Vance won by 6.6%, underperforming Trump, and needed $40 million of outside spending from McConnell's senate leadership fund to do it. That's a bad candidate. A good candidate would have been able to win Ohio in a Dem midterm year without that much SLF money (money McConnell could have used in states like Arizona).

you're 0/3


Nobody challenged Hershel Walker in Georgia. Vernon Jones was the only other realistic choice but he quickly decided to run for house instead. Walker is going to win, realistically by around 3-4% in this environment, but by about 2% less than Kemp on the same ticket. Walker wasn't the worst choice, though; imagine if someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene decided to run for senate? Or one of the Perdue clan.
Final result:
Warnock +0.9% (headed to runoff)
Kemp +7.6%

Regardless of what happens in the runoff, you were wrong about Walker winning by 3-4%, and you were wrong about him running only 2% behind Kemp. He ran 8+% behind Kemp. Wrong twice.

you're 0/5


OH-09 is going to be a flip no matter what because of the redistricting. I've spent a LOT of time in this district this summer/fall and I'm actually posting from Sandusky right now. 20th day at Cedar Point for me today. Majewski signs are everywhere. Majewski enthusiasm in the grassroots is everywhere. People around here have awaken to the fact that Marcy is essentially Nancy Midwest. He performed terribly in the primary polls, didn't really even campaign in the primary and yet won a loaded jungle primary against "more electable" candidates by a decent margin. He's going to take out Pelosi-Midwest Marcy Kaptur and it's going to be over 5%. With the old district lines I agree it would have been very close. But I don't see Kaptur making a comeback if and when she loses. She's a bitty old lady.
Fat fuck Majewski lost by by 14% :lmao:lmao:lmao. You weren't just wrong, you were comically wrong.

you're 0/6 (that prediction should really count as like 10 wrong predictions because of how bad it was, but w/e)


We'll have to see how that Ohio Supreme Court race goes too, if the GOP flips another Ohio supreme court seat they could make the current map good for ten years. Which would pretty much leave the Democrats with only 2 house seats in Ohio through at least 2030. Chabot is that kind of Bucks County PA Fitzpatrick moderate GOP type who will survive in a purple-side of blue city district even in rough years.
Wrongo bongo. Steve Chabot's seat got bluer because of the rule against cracking the City of Cincinnati, so even on the current map in a Dem midterm, Chabot lost by 4%. He didn't last for even one election, let alone the decade :lmao

0/7 now



I believe Blake Masters will be carried to a narrow victory in AZ by Lake winning by about 6% in the governor race. It will be close because Kelly is an incumbent. If his voting record was more in line with Sinema's, I believe Kelly would have won comfortably; however, he's voted straight blue ticket in a pink state, which is a problem, celebrity astronaut or not. Look at Bill Nelson in Florida. Couldn't even survive re-election in a more purple (At the time, not now) state in a blue wave environment year in 2018. But the thing was, with the AZ senate race, if not Blake Masters, then who else? Mark Brnovich was the clear front runner before Trump endorsed Masters, but Brnovich would have been even more UNELECTABLE because he was the one most closely tied to the 2020 AZ election audits which as they drug on they became extremely unpopular. Who else? Failure McSally a third time? LOL. I mean yeah you could have tried to get one of the most electable guys like Paul Gosar or Andy Biggs to run for senate and they would have been great candidates, but that assumes they're willing to give up their house seat for good for not a sure thing in the senate.
Mark Kelly is clapping Masters by 5%. It wasn't a close election. In every county that's fully done counting its votes, Masters is underperforming Trump by 5+% (there's one county where Masters did 17% worse than Trump).

Furthermore, the Governor race is up in the air, but it's a very close election whether neat Lake nor Hobbs are winning by more than 1-2%, so we know enough that your prediction of Lake by 6% is laughably off.

0/9 now


Another one you didn't mention is New Hampshire, which I believe Trump would have done well to follow Chris Sununu's lead in endorsing Chuck Morse well ahead of time, who would have beaten Hassan the incumbent there. However I don't believe Bolduc will win. He's a war hawk and NH doesn't like war hawks.
Congrats bozo, you predicted that Maggie Hassan would win a race that she was heavily favored in the entire time. She ended up winning by 10%. There's no way Chuck Morse covers a gap that big.

I'm not giving you credit for calling New Hampshire correctly because everyone and their mother knew how that race was going.

You're still 0/9


Nevada on the other hand is going to go red at all 3 levels (governor, house, and senate) by around 4-5% and the Laxalt pick was actually pretty damn good. He's going to beat CCM by easily over 3 percent
3 predictions...house, governor, senate
-Laxalt is currently winning by 800 votes and is going to lose once Clark/Washoe are done counting all of their mail ballots. Your prediction of Laxalt by 3+% was wrong, he's not going to win at all.
-The 3 Dem incumbents in Nevada all held their seats. The 3-1 gerrymander worked to perfection.
-Sisolak lost (I never said he wouldn't), but, for context, you were responding to a post of mine about Trump screwing the GOP with his endorsements. Joe Lombardo is a normal Republican and not a Trump picked candidate at all. If Trump picked some retard to run against Sisolak, Sisolak would have won. I'll give you credit for Sisolak though.

You're 1/12


the GOP will have either 52 or 53 senate seats at the turn of the new year.
The GOP's ceiling is a 50 seat minority. If Warnock wins his runoff, the GOP enters 2023 with a 49 seat outright minority.

1/13


FINAL: Andrew got less than 10% of his predictions correct.

[pgardn]

^^^^

This is like Avante getting dismantled when people took the time to track his football betting.

[Will Hunting]

I was wrong on OH-09 and Mastriano outperforming Oz. I nailed the Miami urban flip, nailed Vance, nailed the situation in New Hampshire, and will likely nail Nevada. A still lot to be counted.
:lmao how delusional are you to be claiming you're going to nail Nevada AFTER it became clear the GOP was underperforming everywhere?

:lmao "nailed Vance"...you said 8-9% and he won by 6.6% on the same ballot as a Republican governor who won by North Korea margins. You claimed he'd run less than 10% behind DeWine and he ran 20% behind DeWine. There's no way to spin how badly you miscalculated Vance's weaknesses as a candidate.


Marcy has been in there as long as Nancy. She knows how to get dirty money and use it. Kept spamming commercials all over Cedar Point and Toledo about how Majewski was going to defund SS and Medicare which was of course horse shit, but it's stuff ancestral (D)s and older indepedents bite on literally every time.
You're literally pivoting from saying that Kaptur is going to lose because she's an old lady who's been there as long as Nancy to saying that Kaptur won because she's been there as long as Nancy.

The GOP's literal platform is to use the debt ceiling to nuke Medicare and SS. McCarthy outright said that's what he's going to do if he gets the gavel. Saying Majewski wants to nuke SS/Medicare isn't bullshit at all and even if it was, are you seriously going to claim that the GOP has any moral high ground when it comes to making shit up about opposing candidates?

Kaptur won because JR Majewski, like most Trump candidates, is lazy, has a checkered past, and didn't actually campaign. He lied about serving in Afghanistan and he's lied countless times about his career. The NRCC even stopped funding him; you made a prediction he'd win even though the NRCC clearly didn't think he would.

The night before the election he was speaking in Dayton at a Trump rally. A serious candidate would be campaigning in his actual district the night before the election, not giving a speech 100 miles away for attention from MAGA boomers.

[baseline bum]

The GOP's literal platform is to use the debt ceiling to nuke Medicare and SS. McCarthy outright said that's what he's going to do if he gets the gavel. Saying Majewski wants to nuke SS/Medicare isn't bullshit at all and even if it was, are you seriously going to claim that the GOP has any moral high ground when it comes to making shit up about opposing candidates?


Democrats really need to call his bluff. Yeah he's going to cost his donors billions when the stock market tanks from a US default? :lmao

[Will Hunting]

Democrats really need to call his bluff. Yeah he's going to cost his donors billions when the stock market tanks from a US default? :lmao
There won't be any bluff to call.

I think he's gonna end up with a 218-217 or 219-216 majority...and it'll be a majority relying on wave baby Republicans in fairly blue Long Island/Hudson Valley New York districts who'll get torched in 2024 if go along with any debt ceiling terrorism. The GOP won't have anywhere near enough reps for a majority that'll go along with a debt ceiling fight.

Still think if the Dems have 217 they should lobby the Republicans who won the Biden +10 Long Island districts to flip parties in exchange for committee spots they wouldn't have gotten as back bench Republicans.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Democrats really need to call his bluff. Yeah he's going to cost his donors billions when the stock market tanks from a US default? :lmao

IF stock market tanks into the abyss for a couple years... house prices get reversed back to 2014 or worse, etc. The people that stand to win are the people like me who have been sitting on liquid assets like cash and the person that stands most to lose is the incumbent in the white house, i.e. Biden.

[baseline bum]

IF stock market tanks into the abyss for a couple years... house prices get reversed back to 2014 or worse, etc. The people that stand to win are the people like me who have been sitting on liquid assets like cash and the person that stands most to lose is the incumbent in the white house, i.e. Biden.

Uh no, the people who stand to lose the most of the rich who have more of their wealth tied into the stock market. McCarthy would be biting the hand that feeds him and his fascist party.

[Will Hunting]

IF stock market tanks into the abyss for a couple years... house prices get reversed back to 2014 or worse, etc. The people that stand to win are the people like me who have been sitting on liquid assets like cash and the person that stands most to lose is the incumbent in the white house, i.e. Biden.
What committee assignments should future congressman JR Majewski get :lmao

[Will Hunting]

IF stock market tanks into the abyss for a couple years... house prices get reversed back to 2014 or worse, etc. The people that stand to win are the people like me who have been sitting on liquid assets like cash and the person that stands most to lose is the incumbent in the white house, i.e. Biden.
If the US were to default on its debt it would be the Great Depression on steroids, it wouldn't just be a fall in stock prices and home values.

Seriously how fucking retarded are you? Did you take economics lessons from JR Majewski or something?

[Millennial_Messiah]

What committee assignments should future congressman JR Majewski get :lmao

Well he's not going to be congressman obviously, but maybe he should go back to driving the truck? Or whatever his career was post-military and pre-politics.


If the US were to default on its debt it would be the Great Depression on steroids
I'd love to see it :tu

The USA needs a nice big kick in the ass. This would solve more problems and be less problematic long term than a nuke imo. Financial fallout could take years to recover from; radioactive fallout, centuries.

[Will Hunting]

Well he's not going to be congressman obviously
But you said he would be! What happened!?!?!

Were you wrong?

[Millennial_Messiah]

But you said he would be! What happened!?!?!

Were you wrong?
marcy's team flooded Sandusky and Toledo with ads saying that Majewski wanted to banish unions and defund Medicare and SS. I even saw Marcy's ads on TV screens at the Cedar Point amusement park earlier this fall. Wanted to vomit and it's just sad that Cedar Fair would allow all those kids and teenagers to be indoctrinated to the left when they were probably there to see haunted houses and ride a few rides with their parents and friends and not have to watch Marcy's swampy political crap that was completely false by the way.

[baseline bum]

marcy's team flooded Sandusky and Toledo with ads saying that Majewski wanted to banish unions and defund Medicare and SS. I even saw Marcy's ads on TV screens at the Cedar Point amusement park earlier this fall. Wanted to vomit and it's just sad that Cedar Fair would allow all those kids and teenagers to be indoctrinated to the left when they were probably there to see haunted houses and ride a few rides with their parents and friends and not have to watch Marcy's swampy political crap that was completely false by the way.

Trump literally defunded Social Security and ran on making it permanent. No stretch to say defunding Social Security is mainstream Republican.

[ElNono]

The USA needs a nice big kick in the ass. This would solve more problems and be less problematic long term than a nuke imo. Financial fallout could take years to recover from; radioactive fallout, centuries.

This is a microcosm of the state of the GOP, tbh.... such severe butthurt that people completely dislike their ideas, they rather see the world burn than try to adapt.

[Millennial_Messiah]

This is a microcosm of the state of the GOP, tbh.... such severe butthurt that people completely dislike their ideas, they rather see the world burn than try to adapt.

The big cancer is progressivism and progressivist ideology.

[ElNono]

The big cancer is progressivism and progressivist ideology.

You had to run a career progressive to win the White House again...

[Tyronn Lue]

All right, time to unpack all of the down syndrome in this tweet


Final result: Fetterman beat Oz by 4.4% and out performed Biden in EVERY COUNTY except Monroe, Pike and Chester. Fetterman did better than you thought Lamb would do.

you're 0/1 so far


Oz lost by 4.4%. Mastriano lost by 14.4%. He underperformed Oz by 10% and never had a chance of winning.

Lou Barletta was pro-Trump but he wasn't a Christian nationalist nut case who literally thought god would intervene to help his campaign.

you're 0/2 so far.


Vance won by 6.6%, underperforming Trump, and needed $40 million of outside spending from McConnell's senate leadership fund to do it. That's a bad candidate. A good candidate would have been able to win Ohio in a Dem midterm year without that much SLF money (money McConnell could have used in states like Arizona).

you're 0/3


Final result:
Warnock +0.9% (headed to runoff)
Kemp +7.6%

Regardless of what happens in the runoff, you were wrong about Walker winning by 3-4%, and you were wrong about him running only 2% behind Kemp. He ran 8+% behind Kemp. Wrong twice.

you're 0/5


Fat fuck Majewski lost by by 14% :lmao:lmao:lmao. You weren't just wrong, you were comically wrong.

you're 0/6 (that prediction should really count as like 10 wrong predictions because of how bad it was, but w/e)


Wrongo bongo. Steve Chabot's seat got bluer because of the rule against cracking the City of Cincinnati, so even on the current map in a Dem midterm, Chabot lost by 4%. He didn't last for even one election, let alone the decade :lmao

0/7 now



Mark Kelly is clapping Masters by 5%. It wasn't a close election. In every county that's fully done counting its votes, Masters is underperforming Trump by 5+% (there's one county where Masters did 17% worse than Trump).

Furthermore, the Governor race is up in the air, but it's a very close election whether neat Lake nor Hobbs are winning by more than 1-2%, so we know enough that your prediction of Lake by 6% is laughably off.

0/9 now


Congrats bozo, you predicted that Maggie Hassan would win a race that she was heavily favored in the entire time. She ended up winning by 10%. There's no way Chuck Morse covers a gap that big.

I'm not giving you credit for calling New Hampshire correctly because everyone and their mother knew how that race was going.

You're still 0/9


3 predictions...house, governor, senate
-Laxalt is currently winning by 800 votes and is going to lose once Clark/Washoe are done counting all of their mail ballots. Your prediction of Laxalt by 3+% was wrong, he's not going to win at all.
-The 3 Dem incumbents in Nevada all held their seats. The 3-1 gerrymander worked to perfection.
-Sisolak lost (I never said he wouldn't), but, for context, you were responding to a post of mine about Trump screwing the GOP with his endorsements. Joe Lombardo is a normal Republican and not a Trump picked candidate at all. If Trump picked some retard to run against Sisolak, Sisolak would have won. I'll give you credit for Sisolak though.

You're 1/12


The GOP's ceiling is a 50 seat minority. If Warnock wins his runoff, the GOP enters 2023 with a 49 seat outright minority.

1/13


FINAL: Andrew got less than 10% of his predictions correct.
Has to be related to Avante simply due to being wrong so often aka football.

[Tyronn Lue]

The big cancer is progressivism and progressivist ideology.
You thought you had a child with a black woman.

[Spurminator]

Uh no, the people who stand to lose the most of the rich who have more of their wealth tied into the stock market. McCarthy would be biting the hand that feeds him and his fascist party.

He'll just blame Biden and GOP voters will buy it.

[Blake]

The big cancer is progressivism and progressivist ideology.

Is it tho?

[Blake]

Has to be related to Avante simply due to being wrong so often aka football.

Mason's little bro

[Millennial_Messiah]

You thought you had a child with a black woman.

Abortion and interracial procreation have been around for centuries. I wouldn't call it progressivism.

Just because you don't believe in a sky guy creator thing or whatever doesn't mean you have to be a progressive or a progressivist.

I'm talking about the dystopian stuff the New Left ships, the stuff that is often reflected in dystopian sci-fi and horror movies. The New Left champions that stuff.

BigTech needs to be stopped. BigPharma needs to be broken up and regulated the way Standard Oil was in the 1910s.

20-30%+ of the civilized world's population cannot be androgynous, trans, gay, bi, queer, whatever. That's just not realistically in line with biology. Also, one must be 18 and out of high school to get any sex change surgery or other sex change medical treatment such as hormones. That should be common sense federal law. Gays and hermaphrodites were OK when they were a teeny tiny minority, but these days it's gotten way out of hand. That said, I do believe that legally, any two consenting adults, regardless of gender or even if they're related should be allowed to get married, but there should be a required 7 year moratorium between legal marriages in order to prevent people from scamming the system.

Vegans.... people eating bugs for animal protein instead of actual animal meat? Definitely a champion ideology of the Radical Left. If a world exists when the only choices in a dinner entree are "impossible" meat and insect-based meat, I don't want to live in it.

It's one thing to be avid in recycling, reducing deforestation and reforesting, minimalizing pollution as much as possible and avoiding water pollution, which are all good practices. It's another thing to be climate jihadists and force middle-class people to greatly reduce their quality of life and literally be uncomfortable all for the sake of muh global warming. The eco-fascism, Green New Deal bullcrap needs to go the way of the dodo.

[ElNono]

Abortion and interracial procreation have been around for centuries. I wouldn't call it progressivism.

Just because you don't believe in a sky guy creator thing or whatever doesn't mean you have to be a progressive or a progressivist.

I'm talking about the dystopian stuff the New Left ships, the stuff that is often reflected in dystopian sci-fi and horror movies. The New Left champions that stuff.

BigTech needs to be stopped. BigPharma needs to be broken up and regulated the way Standard Oil was in the 1910s.

20-30%+ of the civilized world's population cannot be androgynous, trans, gay, bi, queer, whatever. That's just not realistically in line with biology. Also, one must be 18 and out of high school to get any sex change surgery or other sex change medical treatment such as hormones. That should be common sense federal law. Gays and hermaphrodites were OK when they were a teeny tiny minority, but these days it's gotten way out of hand. That said, I do believe that legally, any two consenting adults, regardless of gender or even if they're related should be allowed to get married, but there should be a required 7 year moratorium between legal marriages in order to prevent people from scamming the system.

Vegans.... people eating bugs for animal protein instead of actual animal meat? Definitely a champion ideology of the Radical Left. If a world exists when the only choices in a dinner entree are "impossible" meat and insect-based meat, I don't want to live in it.

It's one thing to be avid in recycling, reducing deforestation and reforesting, minimalizing pollution as much as possible and avoiding water pollution, which are all good practices. It's another thing to be climate jihadists and force middle-class people to greatly reduce their quality of life and literally be uncomfortable all for the sake of muh global warming. The eco-fascism, Green New Deal bullcrap needs to go the way of the dodo.

But this is the problem: not one of the things you listed that are actually personal choices affect you in any conceivable way. They're options available to every individual, and you're not forced or coerced into doing any of them.
Yet you will still put your moral thumb on other people telling them how they have to live, what's right or wrong and forcing that into them via big bad government mandate if needed.

IMHO, this is the central disconnect of conservatives. At least the church has learned over time to, very slowly, try to tune the message to more modern times, and yet they're as irrelevant as they've ever been.
If you're not willing to change some stances, you're headed the same way. Like it or not, a lot of society has moved on.
As I mentioned in another post, almost every fortune company has a DEI department now, and when you walk in mocking diversity or inclusion, you just look like a racist, idiot and/or dinosaur.

FYI, don't get mad at me, I'm just the messenger...

[baseline bum]

He'll just blame Biden and GOP voters will buy it.

I'm not talking about the poorly educated GOP voters, I'm talking about the GOP's billionaire sugar daddies who would lose a ton of money and thus stop funding the GOP.

[Tyronn Lue]

Abortion and interracial procreation have been around for centuries. I wouldn't call it progressivism.

Just because you don't believe in a sky guy creator thing or whatever doesn't mean you have to be a progressive or a progressivist.

I'm talking about the dystopian stuff the New Left ships, the stuff that is often reflected in dystopian sci-fi and horror movies. The New Left champions that stuff.

BigTech needs to be stopped. BigPharma needs to be broken up and regulated the way Standard Oil was in the 1910s.

20-30%+ of the civilized world's population cannot be androgynous, trans, gay, bi, queer, whatever. That's just not realistically in line with biology. Also, one must be 18 and out of high school to get any sex change surgery or other sex change medical treatment such as hormones. That should be common sense federal law. Gays and hermaphrodites were OK when they were a teeny tiny minority, but these days it's gotten way out of hand. That said, I do believe that legally, any two consenting adults, regardless of gender or even if they're related should be allowed to get married, but there should be a required 7 year moratorium between legal marriages in order to prevent people from scamming the system.

Vegans.... people eating bugs for animal protein instead of actual animal meat? Definitely a champion ideology of the Radical Left. If a world exists when the only choices in a dinner entree are "impossible" meat and insect-based meat, I don't want to live in it.

It's one thing to be avid in recycling, reducing deforestation and reforesting, minimalizing pollution as much as possible and avoiding water pollution, which are all good practices. It's another thing to be climate jihadists and force middle-class people to greatly reduce their quality of life and literally be uncomfortable all for the sake of muh global warming. The eco-fascism, Green New Deal bullcrap needs to go the way of the dodo.
I think you're calling anything progressive "progressivism" and throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The world needs to progress. I think tolerance of "none of your business" stuff is a good path to take. You know, some drugs, abortion, teaching kids how shit really happened instead of how the winners wanted to write it. If that offends you then you're holding on to something you don't even own.

[Isitjustme?]

If the US were to default on its debt it would be the Great Depression on steroids, it wouldn't just be a fall in stock prices and home values.





I'd love to see it :tu

The USA needs a nice big kick in the ass. This would solve more problems and be less problematic long term than a nuke imo. Financial fallout could take years to recover from; radioactive fallout, centuries.

https://i.imgur.com/nfJCS0b.jpg

[Millennial_Messiah]

But this is the problem: not one of the things you listed that are actually personal choices affect you in any conceivable way. They're options available to every individual, and you're not forced or coerced into doing any of them.
Yet you will still put your moral thumb on other people telling them how they have to live, what's right or wrong and forcing that into them via big bad government mandate if needed.

IMHO, this is the central disconnect of conservatives. At least the church has learned over time to, very slowly, try to tune the message to more modern times, and yet they're as irrelevant as they've ever been.
If you're not willing to change some stances, you're headed the same way. Like it or not, a lot of society has moved on.
As I mentioned in another post, almost every fortune company has a DEI department now, and when you walk in mocking diversity or inclusion, you just look like a racist, idiot and/or dinosaur.

FYI, don't get mad at me, I'm just the messenger...
what about getting kicked out of basic grocery stores like HEB and Walmart in 2020 for refusal to wear a mask, and getting told they'll have you arrested if you try and come back? What about getting blacklisted from certain careers over a personal choice not to get your body violated with a questionable "vaccine"?

The Democrats are absolutely the party of authoritarianism, not personal freedom. Abortion is one minor personal freedom compared to all the rest.

[Winehole23]

what about getting kicked out of basic grocery stores like HEB and Walmart in 2020 for refusal to wear a mask, and getting told they'll have you arrested if you try and come back? What about getting blacklisted from certain careers over a personal choice not to get your body violated with a questionable "vaccine"?Your ire seems to be misplaced. Sorry you don't like the policies of private employers to keep their workers and customers safe during an epochal pandemic.

Describing capitalism and calling it communism seems to be a common theme in the herd of libertarian freethinkers.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Your ire seems to be misplaced. Sorry you don't like the policies of private employers to keep their workers and customers safe during an epochal pandemic.

Describing capitalism and calling it communism seems to be a common theme in the herd of libertarian freethinkers.
Crony corporate capitalism vs. protected competition, that's the difference.

The most important thing is protecting the ordinary man, the average consumer. There should be a Consumer Protection Act against big business. If there's no reasonable alternatives to big business, they should be forcibly broken up like Standard Oil a century ago. Because monopoly / oligopoly big business is equally as horrid as monopoly big government.

[ElNono]

what about getting kicked out of basic grocery stores like HEB and Walmart in 2020 for refusal to wear a mask, and getting told they'll have you arrested if you try and come back? What about getting blacklisted from certain careers over a personal choice not to get your body violated with a questionable "vaccine"?

Unfortunately, this ^^^ whole anti-science position in the GOP is also part of becoming irrelevant and seen as dinosaurs. It's an unforced error.

Echoing what Wino mentioned, you always had the "personal freedom" not to go to these stores (which, BTW, are private companies following CDC guidance, not mandates, in order to protect the non-dumb portion of their employees and customers), and let them know with your wallet how you felt.
The problem is that you weirdos are such a small minority, it doesn't matter.

As far as vaccination requirements, not new at all, and that includes GOP administrations requiring the same. You'll have to back up there was anything "questionable" about the vaccines, but you won't, because there isn't. They underwent the same human trials as any other vaccines, the only fast tracking had to do with bringing them to market quicker. And they worked and continue to work fucking great.


The Democrats are absolutely the party of authoritarianism, not personal freedom. Abortion is one minor personal freedom compared to all the rest.

You couldn't be more wrong. Heck, there was an election right smack in the middle of the pandemic and the US population clearly thought Democrats were the adults in the room.
Said election went on to show that the GOP doesn't think Democracy is working for them anymore and literal Authoritarianism is the way forward. Really troubling and another unforced error.

[ElNono]

Crony corporate capitalism vs. protected competition, that's the difference.

The most important thing is protecting the ordinary man, the average consumer. There should be a Consumer Protection Act against big business. If there's no reasonable alternatives to big business, they should be forcibly broken up like Standard Oil a century ago. Because monopoly / oligopoly big business is equally as horrid as monopoly big government.

Both parties love crony corporate capitalism. It pays the political bills. Hardly an exclusive of the Democratic party. Heck, one would argue it's at the root of the GOP and one of the few reasons they can still win an election here and there.

[Tyronn Lue]

what about getting kicked out of basic grocery stores like HEB and Walmart in 2020 for refusal to wear a mask, and getting told they'll have you arrested if you try and come back? What about getting blacklisted from certain careers over a personal choice not to get your body violated with a questionable "vaccine"?

The Democrats are absolutely the party of authoritarianism, not personal freedom. Abortion is one minor personal freedom compared to all the rest.
Capitalism's foundation is the ability to own and control your market. You go into a private market, you abide by their rules. Take it up with them by not spending money there.

[Winehole23]

Crony corporate capitalism vs. protected competition, that's the difference.

The most important thing is protecting the ordinary man, the average consumer. There should be a Consumer Protection Act against big business. If there's no reasonable alternatives to big business, they should be forcibly broken up like Standard Oil a century ago. Because monopoly / oligopoly big business is equally as horrid as monopoly big government.Valid antitrust laws already exist, all that has been lacking is the political will to use them to rein in the big bullies -- but don't guess that's what you have in mind.

Face it, US states and cities did the political heavy lifting on public health policy during the SARS2 outbreak, following the advice of Trump's CDC. Describing masking as a policy conceived and executed by Democrats is flat wrong. Same goes for the circuit breaker remain in place orders and social distancing, Republican and Dem states issued them on the advice of the CDC. All that was based on the pandemic playbook that GWB wrote in 2005.

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/homeland/pandemic-influenza-implementation.html

[Winehole23]

Face it, US states and cities did the political heavy lifting on public health policy during the SARS2 outbreak, following the advice of Trump's CDC. Describing masking as a policy conceived and executed by Democrats is flat wrong. Same goes for the circuit breaker remain in place orders and social distancing, Republican and Dem states issued them on the advice of the CDC. All that was based on the pandemic playbook that GWB wrote in 2005.

https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/homeland/pandemic-influenza-implementation.htmlTo tie this back somewhat to the topic, DeSantis's repudiation of vaccines and public health policy in Florida make him and Florida distinctive. Not least as a deadlier place to live since vaccines became available.


“Registered Republicans in Florida and Ohio had higher excess death rates than registered Democrats, driven by a large mortality gap in the period after all adults were eligible for vaccines,” according to a paper published last month by the National Bureau of Economic Research (https://www.nber.org/papers/w30512). The excess death rate was 76 percent higher among Republicans than Democrats. "The gap in excess death rates between Republicans and Democrats is concentrated in counties with low vaccination rates and only materializes after vaccines became widely available."


The mortality gap actually grew after vaccines became available. That’s in contrast to past outbreaks.https://www.governing.com/now/vaccine-skepticism-spreads-from-covid-to-other-diseases

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30512

[Millennial_Messiah]

To tie this back somewhat to the topic, DeSantis's repudiation of vaccines and public health policy in Florida make him and Florida distinctive. Not least as a deadlier place to live since vaccines became available.

https://www.governing.com/now/vaccine-skepticism-spreads-from-covid-to-other-diseases

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30512

It makes Florida the greatest state left by far in the USA despite its horrid weather. Also, it makes DeSantis WAY superior to Trump, since Trump in 2020 consistently supported the CDC crap mask guidance, passed the covid stimulus crap, and pushed operation warp speed and told sheeple to get vaccinated.

DeSantis would have enlisted the national guard to squelch the antifa riots of summer 2020. Trump didn't. He showed weakness. Ergo he got defeated by a mummified zombie and, embarrassingly, became a one-term president.

Trump is a golden turd. DeSantis is the shining city on the hill.

[Winehole23]

It makes Florida the greatest state left by far in the USA despite its horrid weather. Also, it makes DeSantis WAY superior to Trump, since Trump in 2020 consistently supported the CDC crap mask guidance, passed the covid stimulus crap, and pushed operation warp speed and told sheeple to get vaccinated.

DeSantis would have enlisted the national guard to squelch the antifa riots of summer 2020. Trump didn't. He showed weakness. Ergo he got defeated by a mummified zombie and, embarrassingly, became a one-term president.

Trump is a golden turd. DeSantis is the shining city on the hill.Thanks for underscoring my point that DeSantis is more dangerous than Trump and a worse fascist. Little to love there besides spite for Floridians who don't vote for him and using state power to stifle critics and punish political opponents. Also, relentless ooga booga and scapegoating of lgtb.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Thanks for underscoring my point that DeSantis is more dangerous than Trump and a worse fascist. Little to love there besides spite for Floridians who don't vote for him and using state power to stifle critics and punish political opponents. Also, relentless ooga booga and scapegoating of lgtb.

If it weren't for the putrid climate that my body can't tolerate (plus hurricanes!), I would have 3 houses in Florida already. I just can't tolerate that kind of climate. It stuffs up my nose, wrecks my appetite, leaves me with ugly orange skin that lasts 2+ weeks, ruins my sleep cycle, and makes me feel generally sick and malaise ridden. Which is why I spend my summer and most of the fall fighting losing battles for Tim Michels, Tudor Dixon and JR Majewski instead of hanging out with the great one Ron DeSantis.

DeSantis will be the GOAT leader ever. Trump was just the gateway drug.

[Will Hunting]

Abortion and interracial procreation have been around for centuries. I wouldn't call it progressivism.

Just because you don't believe in a sky guy creator thing or whatever doesn't mean you have to be a progressive or a progressivist.

I'm talking about the dystopian stuff the New Left ships, the stuff that is often reflected in dystopian sci-fi and horror movies. The New Left champions that stuff.

BigTech needs to be stopped. BigPharma needs to be broken up and regulated the way Standard Oil was in the 1910s.

20-30%+ of the civilized world's population cannot be androgynous, trans, gay, bi, queer, whatever. That's just not realistically in line with biology. Also, one must be 18 and out of high school to get any sex change surgery or other sex change medical treatment such as hormones. That should be common sense federal law. Gays and hermaphrodites were OK when they were a teeny tiny minority, but these days it's gotten way out of hand. That said, I do believe that legally, any two consenting adults, regardless of gender or even if they're related should be allowed to get married, but there should be a required 7 year moratorium between legal marriages in order to prevent people from scamming the system.

Vegans.... people eating bugs for animal protein instead of actual animal meat? Definitely a champion ideology of the Radical Left. If a world exists when the only choices in a dinner entree are "impossible" meat and insect-based meat, I don't want to live in it.

It's one thing to be avid in recycling, reducing deforestation and reforesting, minimalizing pollution as much as possible and avoiding water pollution, which are all good practices. It's another thing to be climate jihadists and force middle-class people to greatly reduce their quality of life and literally be uncomfortable all for the sake of muh global warming. The eco-fascism, Green New Deal bullcrap needs to go the way of the dodo.
https://i.ibb.co/YB7xRY7/MM.png

[ElNono]

:lmao

[Blake]

what about getting kicked out of basic grocery stores like HEB and Walmart in 2020 for refusal to wear a mask, and getting told they'll have you arrested if you try and come back? What about getting blacklisted from certain careers over a personal choice not to get your body violated with a questionable "vaccine"?

The Democrats are absolutely the party of authoritarianism, not personal freedom. Abortion is one minor personal freedom compared to all the rest.

The party of health codes

[Blake]

https://i.ibb.co/YB7xRY7/MM.png

:lmao

[benefactor]

https://i.ibb.co/YB7xRY7/MM.png
rofl

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://i.ibb.co/YB7xRY7/MM.png

my mother never drank and quit smoking when she got pregnant with me. Unless you think campbell's chicken soup is poison... dumb meme.

[Winehole23]

If it weren't for the putrid climate that my body can't tolerate (plus hurricanes!), I would have 3 houses in Florida already. I just can't tolerate that kind of climate. It stuffs up my nose, wrecks my appetite, leaves me with ugly orange skin that lasts 2+ weeks, ruins my sleep cycle, and makes me feel generally sick and malaise ridden. Which is why I spend my summer and most of the fall fighting losing battles for Tim Michels, Tudor Dixon and JR Majewski instead of hanging out with the great one Ron DeSantis.

DeSantis will be the GOAT leader ever. Trump was just the gateway drug.Unfortunately for his national prospects DeSantis is approximately as charismatic as a bag of wet hair. He's probably also too short to be elected president. More negatives than Trump and fewer positives, I'd say.

[Blake]

my mother never drank and quit smoking when she got pregnant with me.

Of course that's what she'll tell you

[Isitjustme?]

https://i.ibb.co/YB7xRY7/MM.png

Holy Shit :lmao

[Dirks_Finale]

https://i.ibb.co/YB7xRY7/MM.png

:lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Unfortunately for his national prospects DeSantis is approximately as charismatic as a bag of wet hair. He's probably also too short to be elected president. More negatives than Trump and fewer positives, I'd say.

5'11 just like GWB, a fairly recent 2 term POTUS.

You people almost elected 5'4 Hillary who has the charisma and likability of a soiled diaper.

[Will Hunting]

DeSantis is 5’9” but I don’t buy the stuff about needing to be a certain height

[ElNono]

You people almost elected 5'4 Hillary who has the charisma and likability of a soiled diaper.

Didn't vote for her, but I agree with this

[Millennial_Messiah]

DeSantis is 5’9” but I don’t buy the stuff about needing to be a certain height

though it's definitely probably more relevant for the far right than say the left or far left. The left would be happy to elect Robert Reich if he wanted to be a politician.

[Winehole23]

DeSantis is 5’9” but I don’t buy the stuff about needing to be a certain heightfacetious, but it has generally held up

[Winehole23]

5'11 just like GWB, a fairly recent 2 term POTUS.

You people almost elected 5'4 Hillary who has the charisma and likability of a soiled diaper.lol adding two inches

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/YB7xRY7/MM.png
Fetterman?

[pgardn]

Unfortunately for his national prospects DeSantis is approximately as charismatic as a bag of wet hair. He's probably also too short to be elected president. More negatives than Trump and fewer positives, I'd say.

I would vote for the most offensive, short, ugly, midget of a Quasimodo if he/she had a reasonable plans for health care, education, wealth disparity (thus lack of a reasoning middle class imo), climate and pollution problems, term limits for congress, Supreme Court becoming apolitical…

[Millennial_Messiah]

facetious, but it has generally held up

How tall is Michelle Obama? I would think tall enough to be POTUS


Fetterman?

Yup. 100% troglodyte. Looks just like the 2 brothers who illegally towed my car in May 2016 and tried to kill me.

[ChumpDumper]

Fetterman tried to kill MM.:tu

[Will Hunting]

Fetterman tried to kill MM.:tu
he shoulda campaigned on that...woulda won by as much as Shapiro did

[Monostradamus]

https://i.ibb.co/YB7xRY7/MM.png
:lmao

[Winehole23]

I would vote for the most offensive, short, ugly, midget of a Quasimodo if he/she had a reasonable plans for health care, education, wealth disparity (thus lack of a reasoning middle class imo), climate and pollution problems, term limits for congress, Supreme Court becoming apolitical…man, I can't go with all of that, but I do agree that reasonable provisions for public health and ecological sustainability should be made with all due swiftness.

[Winehole23]

(also, nothing against short people)

[spurraider21]

DeSantis is 5’9” but I don’t buy the stuff about needing to be a certain height
:lol this guy already cant cope with his height, has to lie about it


5'11 just like GWB, a fairly recent 2 term POTUS.

You people almost elected 5'4 Hillary who has the charisma and likability of a soiled diaper.


lol adding two inches

[Will Hunting]

:lol this guy already cant cope with his height, has to lie about it
Fair point :lol

At least with RDS, his dull personality is a bigger hindrance than his height imo

[spurraider21]

Fair point :lol

At least with RDS, his dull personality is a bigger hindrance than his height imo
he talks like Barry from the big bang theory

[Will Hunting]

he talks like Barry from the big bang theory
I'm proud to say that any reference to the show Big Bang Theory is going to be lost on me :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

I'm proud to say that any reference to the show Big Bang Theory is going to be lost on me :lol

Agreed. Faggoty show all the way. It's in the Marvel / DC / Star Wars / Star Trek category of stuff I'll never watch and for which I will always only have a marginal frame of reference.

But hey, ask Fetterman after his stroke *symptoms* go away, I'm sure he could tell you all about that dorky crap and not much more.

[spurraider21]

I'm proud to say that any reference to the show Big Bang Theory is going to be lost on me :lol
like any tv sitcom, had its moments

[Will Hunting]

But hey, ask Fetterman after his stroke *symptoms* go away, I'm sure he could tell you all about that dorky crap and not much more.
a8MZBUoQt68

[Blake]

I would vote for the most offensive, short, ugly, midget of a Quasimodo if he/she had a reasonable plans for health care, education, wealth disparity (thus lack of a reasoning middle class imo), climate and pollution problems, term limits for congress, Supreme Court becoming apolitical…

As would most any rational person.

But most Republicans love them some Hollywood and football types as their leaders because it makes their eyes feel good

[Tyronn Lue]

"You know, it looks like Donald can do no wrong with his non-PC shtick. I think I'll let loose a bit as well" -GOP folks
"I'm not part of the Trump stupidity! It's not my fault the GOP lost the senate!" -Same unemployed GOP folks

[Leetonidas]

like any tv sitcom, had its moments

First five or six seasons were decent. Guilty pleasure tbh

[Monostradamus]

I'm proud to say that any reference to the show Big Bang Theory is going to be lost on me :lol
It’s one of those sitcoms like Friends, where if you mute the laugh track there’s nothing even remotely funny about it.

[Winehole23]

"You know, it looks like Donald can do no wrong with his non-PC shtick. I think I'll let loose a bit as well" -GOP folks
"I'm not part of the Trump stupidity! It's not my fault the GOP lost the senate!" -Same unemployed GOP folks

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhhcNleVQAAprg8?format=jpg&name=medium

[DMX7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhhcNleVQAAprg8?format=jpg&name=medium

:lol

[Isitjustme?]

Guilty pleasure
"the show's bad and I'm embarrassed to admit i like it. But don't worry I like it in a detached way"

[Leetonidas]

"the show's bad and I'm embarrassed to admit i like it. But don't worry I like it in a detached way"

If I was embarrassed I wouldn't have said anything:lol