Did this chick cheat on this poker hand ?

[InRareForm]

https://twitter.com/HCLPokerShow/status/1575668051948687360?s=19

I don't think so. Just a dumb donk move and got lucky. If you are going to cheat you would find a better spot than a coin flip.

The guys ego got hurt and asked for the money back . :rolleyes

[SpursforSix]

https://twitter.com/HCLPokerShow/status/1575668051948687360?s=19

I don't think so. Just a dumb donk move and got lucky. If you are going to cheat you would find a better spot than a coin flip.

The guys ego got hurt and asked for the money back . :rolleyes

For sure. She just played really loose and it paid off. It was 53/47 in his favor so not total domination. I don't know her background but she might have just not pegged his hand and made a mistake.
In any event, I don't know how she would have cheated that.

[MultiTroll]

https://twitter.com/HCLPokerShow/status/1575668051948687360?s=19

I don't think so. Just a dumb donk move and got lucky. If you are going to cheat you would find a better spot than a coin flip.
Unless she knew what the river was going to be. I would put nothing past the scamming casinos and a portion of their customers.

[MultiTroll]

Her (in part) "I put you on Ace high."

Him quite correctly "So if you put me on Ace high why would you call?"
She diverts to another point.

As much as it would be ditzy chick paying with 4th husbands money type.......she is a *pro* and has played at these bigger games all the time.

[MultiTroll]

In any event, I don't know how she would have cheated that.
Todays digital electronics make all kinds of cheating ops.

Have you read about the chess scandal where it's being alleged the dude had electroics stuffed up his ass like in a but plug. The read was then forwarded to him.
Not talking about your mom last night, this really happened vs the Grand Master for the championship.

Likewise in poker theoretically all kinds of electric shit could be planted. Read about the guy last name Postle. Busted for using his smart phone.

Back to miss fake hooters in this hand, since the game had a live feed, entirely possible someone could hack into the feed thus relay info.

If, repeat IF she and her team cheated, i would find it more believable that she already knew the river card vs going in at 47%.

We'll see if any investigation turns up more info.
Poker World powers to be at large just sweeps this shit under the table.

[spurraider21]

all i see is a dumbfuck shoving with 9 high and then getting mad he lost

[MultiTroll]

the whole hand on video


https://youtu.be/3qSklcEmzso

[MultiTroll]

A reveal in the video is that Ms Hooters appears to be backed $$$ by Jake Pauls manager, a guy nicked named Rip who's real name is Jacob.

Up until March of 2022 she was playing in much much smaller games. Since March 2022 she has gotten involved in substantially higher tournaments and live games. I mean we're talking a meteoric 50Xs increase in the amounts.

That may explain why she is so easily throwing money around. Or is it that Rip knows a thing or two about rigging outcomes? LOL

[KobesAchilles]

She definitely cheated. She literally had the worst hand to call with. The Jack of Clubs makes it an automatic fold. You are blocking both straight and flush draws that he would be bluffing with. Her responses also changed a million times and there’s just no way you call 137,000 dollars with Jack high. You just don’t.

As to how she cheated there are a lot of ways she could’ve. There are devices that let you know the River card ahead of time. There are devices that tell you that you are winning by vibration as well. It doesn’t tell you the odds just that you are winning. I think that’s most likely how she cheated bc she was in disbelief for the longest time that she was actually ahead and decided fuck it I’m gonna call. Jack high for 10k is a soul read. Jack high for 137k is cheating.

[InRareForm]

This situation is very interesting because people are 50% she cheated and 50% she didn't .

Also the guy taking the money back is a scumbag move with no proof of cheating

[Trainwreck2100]

This situation is very interesting because people are 50% she cheated and 50% she didn't .

Also the guy taking the money back is a scumbag move with no proof of cheating

If someone gives you 170k for being a bitch, you be a bitch

That being said it was a stupid fucking play on his part, but her saying "I put you on Ace high", when Ace high beats her is super suspect. If she said i put you on a broken flush than go ahead.

[Ef-man]

all i see is a dumbfuck shoving with 9 high and then getting mad he lost

Yup, she read him correctly (bluffing he had something) and went with her instincts.

[MultiTroll]

Hustler purports to hire a law firm with an investigative team. Link:

(https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/10/robbi-jade-lew-garrett-adelstein-poker-clash-invesitgation-lawsuit-cheating-hcl)https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/10/robbi-jade-lew-garrett-adelstein-poker-clash-invesitgation-lawsuit-cheating-hc

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[MultiTroll]

TIFWIW another piece of info, unverified.

Poker 'cheating' scandal: Fan spots exact moment when Robbie Jade Lew used her 'vibrating ring' | MEAWW (https://meaww.com/poker-fan-spotted-moment-after-robbi-jade-lew-allegedly-used-vibrating-ring-for-winning-cards)

Doug Polk did show video of her chair vibrating. A lot.

[spurraider21]

Hustler purports to hire a law firm with an investigative team. Link:

(https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/10/robbi-jade-lew-garrett-adelstein-poker-clash-invesitgation-lawsuit-cheating-hcl)https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/10/robbi-jade-lew-garrett-adelstein-poker-clash-invesitgation-lawsuit-cheating-hc

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is anybody going to investigate him for shoving with 9 high after the turn?

[MultiTroll]

is anybody going to investigate him for shoving with 9 high after the turn?
Most, virtually all experienced players recognize he had an open ended Straight and Flush draw. Also, generally speaking when one acts in front (His all in shove) one does not call a huge pot with at best a 50% shot. So if you want to call his shove stupid, what do you call her Call?

Lot of phucking around with the jewelry too. Could just be a woman who plays with her jewelry, lots do.
But did you watch the Doug Polk video (sure others exist besides Polks) zeroing in on the extended vibration of her chair? And the taking off of her ring BELOW the table. WTF was that? Vibration maybe she was playing footsie while nervous and that caused the chair to rock. But it looked very much like a vibration. Check it out if you have not.

Myself i need more information to know. I'm currently speculating 80% she cheated. I 100% believe cheating teams and devices exist at ALL major poker places.
As far as Hustlers *investigation* being legit, meh we'll see. Or we wont. I also believe half the time casino associates are in on the scams.

[MultiTroll]

Incidentally do you guys think her tits are real or store boughten?

[InRareForm]

She ran it twice.

Doug Polk is a joke, he got cheated once so he think everything is a cheat now. You look at a cloud long enough you start to see it look like something.

Occams razor applies here. Chick got lucky making a terrible call in almost all instances but ended up working out because Garret had 8 high (yes I know he had draws but it is 8 high at that point.) Who is to say she didn't have a super read. Or just plain luck. I have seen new players do boggling things that work out.

[MultiTroll]

She ran it twice.

Doug Polk is a joke, he got cheated once so he think everything is a cheat now. You look at a cloud long enough you start to see it look like something.

Occams razor applies here. Chick got lucky making a terrible call in almost all instances but ended up working out because Garret had 8 high (yes I know he had draws but it is 8 high at that point.) Who is to say she didn't have a super read. Or just plain luck. I have seen new players do boggling things that work out.
Polk provided some in depth video. Thus the viewer can see the vids and decide for themselves.
She's hardly a new player.
However it does appear she recently came into a deep pockets sugar daddy so, yes that much appears to be new and could have affected her play.

Back to the video, you want to comment on the vibrating chair? The "I put you on Ace high"? The "I misread my hand" even the camera has her clearly checking her hand on the Turn before making the call.

[InRareForm]

Polk just trying to make content. These "scandals" are gold for YouTube clicks. It wasn't convincing enough for me.

[spurraider21]

i think it was a bad player making a bad play and got lucky

only part that looked suspicious was here attempted explanation that she had him at ace high :lol... but i think she was just dumb and in the moment. i understand cheat accusations in online games, but when was the last time there was a serious irl cheating situation?

[MultiTroll]

but when was the last time there was a serious irl cheating situation?
Have we reached the end of the Mike Postle alleged cheating saga? - Poker.org (https://www.poker.org/mike-postle-poker-cheating-saga/)

The Cheating Scandal That Ripped the Poker World Apart | WIRED (https://www.wired.com/story/stones-poker-cheating-scandal/)

[MultiTroll]

and

Alex Foxen Publicly Accuses Ali Imsirovic of Cheating - Poker News Daily (https://www.pokernewsdaily.com/alex-foxen-publicly-accuses-ali-imsirovic-of-cheating-35336/)

I always thought the little bitch Ali Imsirovic cheated.

[DeadlyDynasty]

She cheated, and gave herself away when she said she would’ve bowed out had it been a different suited Jack, but goes all in after the turn when the flush/straight flush aren’t even in play.

Only way that happens is if she knows his hand. You could chalk it up to dumb luck, or ditziness, but her explanation at the end of it was a dead giveaway

[Millennial_Messiah]

all i see is a dumbfuck shoving with 9 high and then getting mad he lost

yeah you dont push all in with a draw hand

[SpursforSix]

i think it was a bad player making a bad play and got lucky

only part that looked suspicious was here attempted explanation that she had him at ace high :lol... but i think she was just dumb and in the moment. i understand cheat accusations in online games, but when was the last time there was a serious irl cheating situation?

I think the cheating in real life is probably much higher than you believe. It only takes a two people working in concert to significantly change the odds.

[spurraider21]

She cheated, and gave herself away when she said she would’ve bowed out had it been a different suited Jack, but goes all in after the turn when the flush/straight flush aren’t even in play.

Only way that happens is if she knows his hand. You could chalk it up to dumb luck, or ditziness, but her explanation at the end of it was a dead giveaway
so her epic cheating strategy was to call an all-in bet with basically a coin flip's chance of prevailing?

[DeadlyDynasty]

so her epic cheating strategy was to call an all-in bet with basically a coin flip's chance of prevailing?
What SFS said above you. She had help. Can’t prove it but it’s super sketchy, her comments solidified it for me. If she kept her mouth shut then I would assume like you she’s just aloof.

[spurraider21]

I think the cheating in real life is probably much higher than you believe. It only takes a two people working in concert to significantly change the odds.
who would be the second person who knew both what the other player had and exactly what the river would be?

[SpursforSix]

What SFS said above you. She had help. Can’t prove it but it’s super sketchy, her comments solidified it for me. If she kept her mouth shut then I would assume like you she’s just aloof.


who would be the second person who knew both what the other player had and exactly what the river would be?

I wasn't saying that was the case in this hand. I would think these events would have better security than a home game or even a casino. Seems like they would scan each person for devices.
My point was that at random games or casinos, I think cheating may be pretty prevalent. Getting two good players that can signal each other would make it pretty tough on the rest of the table. If they had three players, they would absolutely dominate.

[spurraider21]

I wasn't saying that was the case in this hand. I would think these events would have better security than a home game or even a casino. Seems like they would scan each person for devices.
My point was that at random games or casinos, I think cheating may be pretty prevalent. Getting two good players that can signal each other would make it pretty tough on the rest of the table. If they had three players, they would absolutely dominate.
well yeah i'm specifically talking about these higher profile/televised events

[SpursforSix]

who would be the second person who knew both what the other player had and exactly what the river would be?

See my comment above. I wasn't addressing this hand if you look at my quoted post.

[SpursforSix]

well yeah i'm specifically talking about these higher profile/televised events

I wasn't. I was just addressing irl. I don't consider these televised events as irl. It doesn't seem like it'd be too hard to monitor those situations. I suppose they may change the protocols for how they check players and maybe even put them in some box that fucks up communications. IDK. But I'm sure it's doable. Again, I'm not convinced she cheated.

[gambit1990]

she said: "if my jack wasn't a club then i would've been out."
and dude was like, what are you talking about ? :tu :tu

then she changed the subject.

[spurraider21]

she said: "if my jack wasn't a club then i would've been out."
and dude was like, what are you talking about ? :tu :tu

then she changed the subject.
couldnt that just mean she had him on a club flush draw and knew she was holding an out card?

[MultiTroll]

couldnt that just mean she had him on a club flush draw and knew she was holding an out card?
If indeed she was factoring in the Jack as a Club on the flop, FFS it's only 1 card and hardly drops the math down for an opponent on a Flush draw.

Repeat, she thought he had an Ace per her own words.
Then the seeming lie about not checking her cards (cameras clearly show otherwise) and thinking she had a 3. Bullshit.

If she was just super ditzy and completely willing to throw away her new sugar daddys money, great. But the Club blocker excuse is lame.

[MultiTroll]

Hear from Robbi Lew yourself. While obviously tipped off in advance to the questions, nonetheless specific questions are asked by podcaster Chad Holloway and she answers them.

PN Pod Special Edition: Robbi Jade Lew Addresses Hustler Casino Live Cheating Allegations | PokerNews (https://www.pokernews.com/podcast/pokernews-podcast/pokernews-podcast-robbi-jade-lew-42224.htm)

[pgardn]

Todays digital electronics make all kinds of cheating ops.

Have you read about the chess scandal where it's being alleged the dude had electroics stuffed up his ass like in a but plug. The read was then forwarded to him.
Not talking about your mom last night, this really happened vs the Grand Master for the championship.

Likewise in poker theoretically all kinds of electric shit could be planted. Read about the guy last name Postle. Busted for using his smart phone.

Back to miss fake hooters in this hand, since the game had a live feed, entirely possible someone could hack into the feed thus relay info.

If, repeat IF she and her team cheated, i would find it more believable that she already knew the river card vs going in at 47%.

We'll see if any investigation turns up more info.
Poker World powers to be at large just sweeps this shit under the table.

Dont use the chess argument to solidify your argument here.
The method you describe has been deemed total BS and was first presented by Elon Musk who enjoys this banter when he is high.
There are much easier ways to cheat over-the-board.
And this chess situation has not come close to a resolution. the butt beads are meant to be a laugher and bring attention so …. More readers.

[MultiTroll]

Dont use the chess argument to solidify your argument here.
The method you describe has been deemed total BS and was first presented by Elon Musk who enjoys this banter when he is high.
There are much easier ways to cheat over-the-board.
And this chess situation has not come close to a resolution. the butt beads are meant to be a laugher and bring attention so …. More readers.
My "argument" has been presenting what both sides are presenting. I continue to lean she cheated but am all for fairness. So if she did not, great.

By whom has the butt plug with electronics been deemed total BS?
Even if the plug is/was deemed BS, does not rule out other electronics by chess guy.

The Chess.com report cites Regan as an independent expert, saying he agrees with its conclusions that Niemann cheated in multiple cash-prize online events in 2015 and 2017, and also in "numerous matches against other professional players in 2020."
Cheating in chess often takes the form of secretly getting move recommendations from a computer program, known as a chess engine.
While the Chess.com findings incriminate Niemann's play in online games, the report acknowledges "a lack of concrete statistical evidence" that Niemann has cheated in any in-person or "over-the-board" (OTB) games.
Still, the report suggests further review is needed to study "how Hans became the fastest rising top player in Classical OTB chess in modern recorded history much later in life than his peers." It also notes that Niemann's rating soared after the site quietly suspended him in 2020, when it confronted him with evidence of cheating.

Link
Hans Niemann Is Accused Of Cheating In More Than 100 Chess Games. He's Playing Today | LAist (https://laist.com/news/hans-niemann-is-accused-of-cheating-in-more-than-100-chess-games-hes-playing-today)

[MultiTroll]

:lol good one by Elon if he was the original troll.

I guess not if intended chess guy did play 100 fair. :depressed

[pgardn]

My "argument" has been presenting what both sides are presenting. I continue to lean she cheated but am all for fairness. So if she did not, great.

By whom has the butt plug with electronics been deemed total BS?
Even if the plug is/was deemed BS, does not rule out other electronics by chess guy.

The Chess.com report cites Regan as an independent expert, saying he agrees with its conclusions that Niemann cheated in multiple cash-prize online events in 2015 and 2017, and also in "numerous matches against other professional players in 2020."
Cheating in chess often takes the form of secretly getting move recommendations from a computer program, known as a chess engine.
While the Chess.com findings incriminate Niemann's play in online games, the report acknowledges "a lack of concrete statistical evidence" that Niemann has cheated in any in-person or "over-the-board" (OTB) games.
Still, the report suggests further review is needed to study "how Hans became the fastest rising top player in Classical OTB chess in modern recorded history much later in life than his peers." It also notes that Niemann's rating soared after the site quietly suspended him in 2020, when it confronted him with evidence of cheating.

Link
Hans Niemann Is Accused Of Cheating In More Than 100 Chess Games. He's Playing Today | LAist (https://laist.com/news/hans-niemann-is-accused-of-cheating-in-more-than-100-chess-games-hes-playing-today)

Nieman HAS admitted he cheated on line.
The game in question was over-the -board.
All I am saying is your chess example does not work for poker.
There are much easier ways to cheat over-the-board.

The vast majority of the chess community does not believe this method was used.
In fact its pretty split down the line on whether Nieman cheated or not by experts who examined the moves.
Most of the experts who examine the moves say the moves do NOT indicate he cheated.

bottom line its not a good example for given poker situation.

late addition: Nieman is a fantastic chess player. He has proven himself very worthy of beating anyone over-the-board. But he is young and not very careful and got frustrated as a teenager when losing. they all lose. this is not the first time he has beaten Carlsen over-the-board and Carlsen admits he got beat fair and square in those games. It was that one game that Carlsen thought he made moves that must have been assisted.

[MultiTroll]

:rollin
Poker controversy takes bizarre turn as HCL review finds employee 'removing' chips from Robbi Jade Lew's stack (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/poker-controversy-takes-bizarre-turn-as-hcl-review-finds-employee-removing-chips-from-robbi-jade-lew-s-stack/ar-AA12GCVg?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=66b61507728e4b46af4c65efe8ecffd9)

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[MultiTroll]

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[InRareForm]

Right when I was getting bored with the story a new crazy update emerges lol

[MultiTroll]

Yep.
Bryan Sagbigsal was willing to take the chips off her table, one would assume he knew full well was on camera. And it sounds like would have not been caught had the investigation taken place thus viewing video have come about.

So, begets the question was Bryan Sagbigsal in on any of this? Ok maybe that's a reach, or is it? Collecting payment from Robbie Lew for feeding her camera info? Or just rando slease ball impetuously grabbing some chips? How convenient that Bryan will not be charged. Airhead Lew just did not notice that 15K were missing from her stack?

Any way it's spun Hustler Casino has tons of criminal types around. Seriously doubt we'll get a truthful investigation but, onward.

[InRareForm]

And the cash game stream still went on last night.... business as usual :lol

[pgardn]

Yep.
Bryan Sagbigsal was willing to take the chips off her table, one would assume he knew full well was on camera. And it sounds like would have not been caught had the investigation taken place thus viewing video have come about.

So, begets the question was Bryan Sagbigsal in on any of this? Ok maybe that's a reach, or is it? Collecting payment from Robbie Lew for feeding her camera info? Or just rando slease ball impetuously grabbing some chips? How convenient that Bryan will not be charged. Airhead Lew just did not notice that 15K were missing from her stack?

Any way it's spun Hustler Casino has tons of criminal types around. Seriously doubt we'll get a truthful investigation but, onward.

Would you say a significant number of casinos use employees to cheat?
This was one game I thought might be cool because it allows competition between customers aided by the casino. Sort of a parimutuel wager.
And yeah, I dont play. Much rather do football with the points.

[MultiTroll]

Would you say a significant number of casinos use employees to cheat?
Absolutely.

[MultiTroll]

Right when I was getting bored with the story a new crazy update emerges lol
And continuing updates.

Check the access that chip stealer / Hustler Live Stream now ex employee Bryan and what came down in moving a file cabinet to block view of his own desk etc.
FF to 6:20 if the post does not auto fwd:
p.s. to any that hate Polk, deal with message not the messenger. Polk is presenting info i have not seen elsewhere and all indications are was given mega in person access by Hustler Live Stream Mr. Feldman.


https://youtu.be/t3l7xw7mbcs?t=397

[Trainwreck2100]

so her epic cheating strategy was to call an all-in bet with basically a coin flip's chance of prevailing?

old post but 53 to 47 with one card on the turn is not a coin flip especially when you run it twice, "close enough to being a coin flip" is litterally how casinos make millions of dollars on their games

[spurraider21]

old post but 53 to 47 with one card on the turn is not a coin flip especially when you run it twice, "close enough to being a coin flip" is litterally how casinos make millions of dollars on their games
So yes, her epic cheat was the ability to call an all in bet with a 53% chance of prevailing

[MultiTroll]

So yes, her epic cheat was the ability to call an all in bet with a 53% chance of prevailing
47%.

She was 47%, he was 53 for the record.
It's merely one factor, not the factor.

[spurraider21]

47%.

She was 47%, he was 53 for the record.
It's merely one factor, not the factor.


old post but 53 to 47 with one card on the turn is not a coin flip especially when you run it twice, "close enough to being a coin flip" is litterally how casinos make millions of dollars on their games
good call

so in her epic cheat strategy, she called an all-in bet when she was the UNDERDOG and had a 47% chance of winning.

and as ya just said, 47% to 53% is very very significant tbh... its literally how casinos make millions of dollars on their game :lol

[MultiTroll]

and as ya just said, 47% to 53% is very very significant tbh... its literally how casinos make millions of dollars on their game :lol
Off millions of calls.
Not one huge one once in a while like this individual one.

Still not enough info on this one to definitely call this a cheat or just she got lucky.

[SpursforSix]

old post but 53 to 47 with one card on the turn is not a coin flip especially when you run it twice, "close enough to being a coin flip" is litterally how casinos make millions of dollars on their games

Running it twice benefits her if she's the underdog. Especially at 53-47. She has a 53% chance of losing on one run. But running it twice, decreases her odds of losing (instead of splitting) to 28%.

[SpursforSix]

and as ya just said, 47% to 53% is very very significant tbh... its literally how casinos make millions of dollars on their game :lol

You can't just look at the odds on one particular hand though in poker. You also have to look at the expected return. It often makes sense to make a bet or call even if you're the underdog as long as the expected return is positive.
In this hand, I don't think it applies. But to look at each hand in a vacuum isn't the right way to analyze things. Maybe you've got a 33% chance to win a hand but if you're getting 10 to 1 as your potential return on that hand, it's a good bet.
But that wasn't the case here.

[MultiTroll]

'No Deception Detected': Robbi Jade Lew Passes Polygraph Test | PokerNews (https://www.pokernews.com/news/2022/10/robbi-jade-lew-polygraph-test-42321.htm)

* It should be noted that polygraph tests are not admissible in court — not that this cheating scandal was ever going to see a court of law — because they aren't always accurate. According to PsychologyToday.com (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-nature-deception/202001/do-lie-detector-tests-really-work), lie detector tests are only accurate an estimated 87% of the time.

[MultiTroll]

Whoa hold the phone on Tits passing the polygraph. Arranged by her own PR firm and given in Vegas rather then near her home in L.A. Sounds more like a Brady or Lakers-Warriors playoff win.

Well known player at the table at the time had suggested a legit 3rd party Polygraph joint perform the test.

https://highstakesdb.com/news/high-stakes-reports/daniel-negreanu-blasts-garrett-adelstein-over-hustler-casino-live-scandal

[spurraider21]

let it go lol

the theory is that she cheated so she could call a massive hand where she was statistically more likely to lose? lmao

[MultiTroll]

let it go lol

the theory is that she cheated so she could call a massive hand where she was statistically more likely to lose? lmao
What is "it" that you are claiming be let go?
I don't know if she cheated or not.

But Ralphie, you keep referring to 47% when the point is it's possible she knew what the river card was. In which case it wouldn't matter if she only had a 1% chance if she knew the river card made her a winner.

One thing for sure, Hustler, like many casinos is full of sleaze balls.

The irony of having your own PR firm administer the polygraph, and 3 hours from your home. Real credible.

[MultiTroll]

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[Millennial_Messiah]

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nice cleavage imo