Saudi Arabia

[CosmicCowboy]

So what do you think the US should do? I know Biden and Democrats want to "punish" Saudi Arabia for agreeing to production cuts, but do you guys really agree with that?

[baseline bum]

Never even punished them for 9/11

[CosmicCowboy]

Never even punished them for 9/11

Meh. Its the real world. We may not like their human rights shit but they are the lesser of evils in that shithole region. In my opinion they are being realistic about the coming world wide recession and trimming output to compensate. I dont understand the position that they "owe" it to the US to keep oil prices low.

[ChumpDumper]

I mean about the only thing we can do is restrict some of our arms sales to them.

Big whoop.

[DarrinS]

We get most of our foreign oil from Canada and Mexico. Biggest fuckup was keystone.

[baseline bum]

Meh. Its the real world. We may not like their human rights shit but they are the lesser of evils in that shithole region. In my opinion they are being realistic about the coming world wide recession and trimming output to compensate. I dont understand the position that they "owe" it to the US to keep oil prices low.

I don't like that they killed thousands of people in New York and DC. Saudi Arabia the lesser of evils my ass.

[ChumpDumper]

We get most of our foreign oil from Canada and Mexico. Biggest fuckup was keystone.Is Canada's shit oil somehow unavailable to us now?

[CosmicCowboy]

I mean about the only thing we can do is restrict some of our arms sales to them.

Big whoop.

Why should we do that?

[CosmicCowboy]

Is Canada's shit oil somehow unavailable to us now?

We just haul it on Warren Buffets trains now which us a lot more dangerous than pipelines.

[ChumpDumper]

Why should we do that?Who said we should?

I don't think it will make any difference.

We just haul it on Warren Buffets trains now which us a lot more dangerous than pipelines.How dangerous?

Any big spills lately?

[CosmicCowboy]

Who said we should?

I don't think it will make any difference.
How dangerous?

Any big spills lately?

Who says we should? Apparently Biden and quite a few in congress. DO YOU AGREE?

which do you think is safer. Trains or pipelines? Seriously?

[ChumpDumper]

Who says we should? Apparently Biden and quite a few in congress. DO YOU AGREE?:lol "apparently"

I already said what I think. Lock-step obedience is your party's deal.


which do you think is safer. Trains or pipelines? Seriously?Quantify how dangerous the current transport of Canada's shit oil is.

Seriously.

I'll let you know if it makes me think the pipeline was awesome.

[Winehole23]

So what do you think the US should do? I know Biden and Democrats want to "punish" Saudi Arabia for agreeing to production cuts, but do you guys really agree with that?what does one do with an historic ally that stops acting like an ally? suck up to them even more, like our recent orange president?

[Winehole23]

what do you think we should do different, CC?

[ducks]

So what do you think the US should do? I know Biden and Democrats want to "punish" Saudi Arabia for agreeing to production cuts, but do you guys really agree with that?

What about finding out why Biden wanted to have them wait for cuts after the midterms

Would Biden be ok if bush did that ?

[ducks]

So what do you think the US should do? I know Biden and Democrats want to "punish" Saudi Arabia for agreeing to production cuts, but do you guys really agree with that?

I think they should punish them by letting usa drill more oil and not be dependent on them
It will hurt them the most

[Winehole23]

I think they should punish them by letting usa drill more oil and not be dependent on them
It will hurt them the mostBiden isn't stopping anyone from drilling, tbh.

[ElNono]

So what do you think the US should do? I know Biden and Democrats want to "punish" Saudi Arabia for agreeing to production cuts, but do you guys really agree with that?


Meh. Its the real world. We may not like their human rights shit but they are the lesser of evils in that shithole region. In my opinion they are being realistic about the coming world wide recession and trimming output to compensate. I dont understand the position that they "owe" it to the US to keep oil prices low.

They should punish, and they should've done this a long time ago. Always has been a terror state. Pakistan being an 'ally' is the same shit.

I get that the Saudis have dem bills, and that means business, but continually looking the other way just simply isn't right.

[ElNono]

I think they should punish them by letting usa drill more oil and not be dependent on them
It will hurt them the most

We already drill more oil than them.

https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-production-by-country/

[boutons_deux]

We already drill more oil than them.

https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-production-by-country/

100s or 1000s of leases not being drilled, onshore and offshore.

BigOil loves restricted supply, esp in face of decreasing demand, to goose the price, just as SA is doing.

BigOil's domestic oil/gas charges domestic US market the world price, so drilling more doesn't reduce the price.

eg, CPS "fuel charge" elevated 2 or 3 times from lows because TX natgas is being LNG exported at world price.

[Millennial_Messiah]

We should punish them for funding 9/11, ISIS, and their wahhabist salafist culture of beating women with sticks for not wearing the full niqab in public

[CosmicCowboy]

We should punish them for funding 9/11, ISIS, and their wahhabist salafist culture of beating women with sticks for not wearing the full niqab in public

Thats old news, the hijab is no longer required in Saudi arabia.

[Ghazi]

Death to Saudi Arabia

[SpursforSix]

So what do you think the US should do? I know Biden and Democrats want to "punish" Saudi Arabia for agreeing to production cuts, but do you guys really agree with that?

Yet another CC thread where he poses a question without his own take.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yet another CC thread where he poses a question without his own take.

:cry

see post #3 dumbass.

[SpursforSix]

:cry

see post #3 dumbass.

Yeah...it's like always where you ask a question and don't post your own opinion and wait for someone else and then react. You're too chicken shit to post what you think in the OP.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah...it's like always where you ask a question and don't post your own opinion and wait for someone else and then react. You're too chicken shit to post what you think in the OP.

What a fucking loser crybaby. I clearly gave my opinion in post #3.

[CosmicCowboy]

So where is your opinion cry baby loser?

[SpursforSix]

So where is your opinion cry baby loser?

Countries punish each other all the time if what the first country does is harmful to the other. But it's just business and politics. You can't blame the Saudis for doing what they ultimately think is in there best interest. But then you also can't blame the U.S. for responding in some fashion.

[SpursforSix]

What a fucking loser crybaby. I clearly gave my opinion in post #3.

LOL. I've made her mad now.

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL. I've made her mad now.

Nope, not mad at all. Just calling out a whiney bitch that is wrong AGAIN.

[SpursforSix]

Nope, not mad at all. Just calling out a whiney bitch that is wrong AGAIN.

Am I as wrong as "Cows don't fart"?

[CosmicCowboy]

Am I as wrong as "Cows don't fart"?

Just another illustration of your ignorance and lack of reading comprehension. Its simple science. 95% of methane emitted by cows is from the rumen and out the mouth. Keep trying though, loser.

[SpursforSix]

Just another illustration of your ignorance and lack of reading comprehension. Its simple science. 95% of methane emitted by cows is from the rumen and out the mouth. Keep trying though, loser.

Yeah...but that's not what you said. You definitively reported, "Cows don't fart, they belch".

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah...but that's not what you said. You definitively reported, "Cows don't fart, they belch".

In the context of sources of bovine methane. Yes, 5% of bovine methane originates from the ass, the majority of which is from the decomposition of cow shit.

Your childish fixation on farts and lack of basic reading comprehension continues to show year after year ad nauseum with your childish "cows don't fart" repetition.

[ChumpDumper]

So cut down on your red meat consumption.:tu

[SpursforSix]

In the context of sources of bovine methane. Yes, 5% of bovine methane originates from the ass, the majority of which is from the decomposition of cow shit.

Your childish fixation on farts and lack of basic reading comprehension continues to show year after year ad nauseum with your childish "cows don't fart" repetition.

LOL. My reading comprehension. You said, "cows don't fart, they belch". Cows do fart.
My guess is that after I called you out, you went back and looked up the facts. One of the worst traits in a human is not admitting when they are wrong.
And you never do that. Regardless of the topic. You're a pompous, uneducated, ignorant buffoon. You are the Avante of the political board.

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL. My reading comprehension. You said, "cows don't fart, they belch". Cows do fart.
My guess is that after I called you out, you went back and looked up the facts. One of the worst traits in a human is not admitting when they are wrong.
And you never do that. Regardless of the topic. You're a pompous, uneducated, ignorant buffoon. You are the Avante of the political board.

I grew up ranching in a 350 head angus cow/calf operation so pretty sure I'm more knowledgeable about cows than you are. Whatever makes you feel better. Keep the childish cow fart comments coming.

[Winehole23]

:cry

see post #3 dumbass.to be fair, "Saudi Arabia is just being realistic" is not a take on what the US should or should not do in response.

[SpursforSix]

I grew up ranching in a 350 head angus cow/calf operation so pretty sure I'm more knowledgeable about cows than you are. Whatever makes you feel better. Keep the childish cow fart comments coming.

If that's true, why would you say, "cows don't fart"? Instead of saying that cow farts make up a very small part of emissions? You always like to pretend you're smart. If you knew the facts, why not post them instead of posting a mistruth that cows don't fart?

[CosmicCowboy]

If that's true, why would you say, "cows don't fart"? Instead of saying that cow farts make up a very small part of emissions? You always like to pretend you're smart. If you knew the facts, why not post them instead of posting a mistruth that cows don't fart?

:lol just give it up, googleboy. I explained it initially and just did it again. You picked one phrase out of a detailed explanation and your childish obsession with farts is pretty indicative of your inability to carry on an adult conversation.

[SpursforSix]

:lol just give it up, googleboy. I explained it initially and just did it again. You picked one phrase out of a detailed explanation and your childish obsession with farts is pretty indicative of your inability to carry on an adult conversation.

LMAO. No you didn't. Your response was, "Cows don't belch, they fart". You didn't go on to give a detailed explanation until I called you out and then you started quoting articles about the percentages of emissions from belches and farts. Why is it so hard for you to admit you made a mistake? That probably explains your multiple failed marriages and alienation from your kids. Not willing to admit when you're wrong.

[CosmicCowboy]

Keep guessing wrong, fartboy. All your mistaken fantasies just keep proving your obsession. Rent fucking free LOL.

[CosmicCowboy]

LMAO. No you didn't. Your response was, "Cows don't belch, they fart". You didn't go on to give a detailed explanation until I called you out and then you started quoting articles about the percentages of emissions from belches and farts. Why is it so hard for you to admit you made a mistake? That probably explains your multiple failed marriages and alienation from your kids. Not willing to admit when you're wrong.

BTW, besides having elementary school level reading comprehension you also might want to get checked for dyslexia. I never said "cows don't belch they fart" LOL.

[CosmicCowboy]

to be fair, "Saudi Arabia is just being realistic" is not a take on what the US should or should not do in response.

Any negative response would just hurt our long term. Interests in the region. Since we fucked up Sadaam and Iraq we need some other powerful counterpoints to Iran. We don't have to agree with their religion or how they handle their domestic issues. All the "wishing" in the world isn't going to change that.

[ChumpDumper]

Keep speeding up the development of alternative energy sources unless you want to be slaves to Saudi Arabia and Russia as long as possible.

[SpursforSix]

BTW, besides having elementary school level reading comprehension you also might want to get checked for dyslexia. I never said "cows don't belch they fart" LOL.

Whoops. Right. Here's your exact words...


Technically, they don't fart. They belch.

I mean, you used the word "technically". And you're calling me out for my reading level? Also, I don't think you understand what dyslexia does.

[CosmicCowboy]

Keep speeding up the development of alternative energy sources unless you want to be slaves to Saudi Arabia and Russia as long as possible.

We should be doing both. Fossil fuels will always be with us even as renewable percentages increase. Hopefully there will be a worldwide shift to cleaner power plant fuels like natural gas. Unfortunately coal is powering a lot of EVs now, especially in China. I read somewhere they are opening a new coal fired power plant almost every week.

[CosmicCowboy]

Whoops. Right. Here's your exact words...

Again, juvenile obsession with farts. Way to go, fartboy.

[baseline bum]

Any negative response would just hurt our long term. Interests in the region. Since we fucked up Sadaam and Iraq we need some other powerful counterpoints to Iran. We don't have to agree with their religion or how they handle their domestic issues. All the "wishing" in the world isn't going to change that.

They're among the greatest of evils in the Middle East, way worse than Iran. So much funding for Al Quaeda and ISIS came from Saudi Arabia as did most of the 9/11 hijackers and their government never has done shit to stop it. Also we didn't fuck up Saddam and Iraq, it was you Republicans who decided to go to war with a secular dictator over an Islamic terrorist attack.

[SpursforSix]

Again, juvenile obsession with farts. Way to go, fartboy.

Not an obsession with farts at all. Just you making an incorrect statement and me pointing it out. And then you never just admitting you were wrong.
Like you do with everything. Which was my point. You're ego is so inflated that you won't ever just say, "my bad...I made a mistake". You're a clown.
After all your stupid comments, I'm starting to think you might just be a troll.

[CosmicCowboy]

Not an obsession with farts at all. Just you making an incorrect statement and me pointing it out. And then you never just admitting you were wrong.
Like you do with everything. Which was my point. You're ego is so inflated that you won't ever just say, "my bad...I made a mistake". You're a clown.
After all your stupid comments, I'm starting to think you might just be a troll.

You are getting repetitious and boring, Fartboy. You can go ahead and have the last word. I'm done responding to your bullshit.

[boutons_deux]

Keep speeding up the development of alternative energy sources unless you want to be slaves to Saudi Arabia and Russia as long as possible.

there's a new drilling technique to get down to thermal level: millimeter wave drilling

[SpursforSix]

You are getting repetitious and boring, Fartboy. You can go ahead and have the last word. I'm done responding to your bullshit.

Awesome. Here's my last word since you're giving it to me...you said

Technically, they don't fart. They belch.
Whereas cows technically both fart and belch.
Thanks for the last word doofus!

[SpursforSix]

there's a new drilling technique to get down to thermal level: millimeter wave drilling

LOL..."new".

[Winehole23]

surprised no one posted this yet

1582379912748445697

[boutons_deux]

Pootin (needs high oil price to finance his failed war)

and

Trash (preferred by MBS over Biden)

behind MBS cutting production?

THE INTELLIGENCE GAPS WHERE THE SAUDIS HID THEIR OCTOBER SURPRISE

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/10/26/the-intelligence-gaps-where-the-saudis-hid-their-october-surprise/

[Winehole23]

Any negative response would just hurt our long term. Interests in the region. Since we fucked up Sadaam and Iraq we need some other powerful counterpoints to Iran. We don't have to agree with their religion or how they handle their domestic issues. All the "wishing" in the world isn't going to change that.nope

strategic expedience trumps everything

1696976576326336984

[Winehole23]

The Financial Times reports on how Saudi Arabia “won Biden back,” and it will come as no surprise that they didn’t have to do (https://www.ft.com/content/6c7cc4fc-a65a-47cf-b7a4-ed0762afea03) anything:


As relations tentatively improved, the Biden administration floated the idea of a grand deal for Saudi Arabia to normalise ties with Israel. The carrot for Riyadh, long irked by what it regards as US unpredictability and a perceived lack of commitment to the Gulf’s security, was a defence treaty similar to the one the US shares with Japan, and co-operation with its nascent civilian nuclear programme.



The U.S. has spent the last three and a half years cultivating closer ties with the Saudis while the Saudi government has done nothing to warrant a better relationship. It would be one thing if the Saudi government had made a concerted effort to improve ties by becoming a more reliable and useful partner, but this never happened. Mohammed bin Salman kept doing whatever he felt like doing, and the administration started falling all over itself to cater to his preferences. Now the president is so desperate to get any foreign policy “win” that he is proposing locking the U.S. into a formal alliance with one of the world’s worst governments. The Saudis didn’t need to win over Biden, as he was too busy chasing after them like a drunken suitor.
link (https://daniellarison.substack.com/p/bidens-weird-saudi-obsession)

[Winehole23]

continuity, not change

[MultiTroll]

Getting a few reads in before Whack-a-moles assist team lifts him up. :lol

[Thread]

Getting a few reads in before Whack-a-moles assist team lifts him up. :lol

Congratulations. Coffee break is over. Back on your fuckin' heads.

[MultiTroll]

Take a break for 18 no 17 minutes.

[Thread]

Take a break for 18 no 17 minutes.

You couldn't drag me away.

[Winehole23]

nope

strategic expedience trumps everything

1696976576326336984besides, I thought Israel was our strategic counterbalance to Iran, now we need the KSA for that too?

With a Japan like defense guarantee, and the transfer of strategic technology?

Sounds like the USA is setting up the KSA as a strategic counterweight to Israel too.

[Ef-man]

besides, I thought Israel was our strategic counterbalance to Iran, now we need the KSA for that too?

With a Japan like defense guarantee, and the transfer of strategic technology?

Sounds like the USA is setting up the KSA as a strategic counterweight to Israel too.

Israel and Saudis are strange bedfellows, but they hate Iran that much that it works.

KSA manipulating oil production before elections is probably something on Biden's mind.

[Winehole23]

Israel and Saudis are strange bedfellows, but they hate Iran that much that it works.

KSA manipulating oil production before elections is probably something on Biden's mind.not sure what you mean, the MSM is saying the KSA already threw in the towel on strategic cuts -- some even gave Joe Biden's releases from the US oil reserve credit -- what's your take based on?

[Ef-man]

not sure what you mean, the MSM is saying the KSA already threw in the towel on strategic cuts -- some even gave Joe Biden's releases from the US oil reserve credit -- what's your take based on?

Strictly my Machiavellian political outlook. OPEC+ temporarily cut production prior to 2022 elections to fuck with Joe and they can do it again to impact election. KSA was reeling from just killing Jamal Khashoggi back then so this could have been a fuck you to US.

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/05/1126754169/opec-oil-production-cut

[Winehole23]

In the memo, Monahan also gave members an update on the tour's negotiations with Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, which is considering a sizable investment in PGA Tour Enterprises. The PIF has funded the rival LIV Golf League the past three years.link (https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/40383172/pga-tour-creates-sponsor-exemption-tiger-woods-based-exceptional-life-achievement)

[Winehole23]

Strictly my Machiavellian political outlook. OPEC+ temporarily cut production prior to 2022 elections to fuck with Joe and they can do it again to impact election. KSA was reeling from just killing Jamal Khashoggi back then so this could have been a fuck you to US.

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/05/1126754169/opec-oil-production-cutsounds like you're a broken record, please catch up

[Ef-man]

sounds like you're a broken record, please catch up

ok, sure

[Thread]

besides, I thought Israel was our strategic counterbalance to Iran, now we need the KSA for that too?

With a Japan like defense guarantee, and the transfer of strategic technology?

Sounds like the USA is setting up the KSA as a strategic counterweight to Israel too.

I guess fist bumping MBS didn't do the trick, eh, Winester.

Re-issue the death warrant on him again.

[Thread]

Strictly my Machiavellian political outlook. OPEC+ temporarily cut production prior to 2022 elections to fuck with Joe and they can do it again to impact election. KSA was reeling from just killing Jamal Khashoggi back then so this could have been a fuck you to US.

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/05/1126754169/opec-oil-production-cut

But all we have to do is pump on our black gold, our own Texas tea, Effy. We're sittin' 250 years minimum of it.

Bet we don't, kids.

[Winehole23]

quasi-continuity with Biden

nuclear capability without recognition of Israel might be on the table

interesting stuff about the US and Türkiye possibly cooperating to Israel's detriment in Syria

(Ha'aretz article linked)


It also became clear earlier this week that, in the context of the U.S.-Saudi relationship, Israel's influence is no longer what it was during President Biden's tenure. U.S. Secretary of Energy Chris Wright announced on Sunday during his visit to Riyadh that the Trump administration and Saudi Arabia are "on track" to sign a deal that'll address the Saudis' aspirations to develop a nuclear program.

Such a deal, along with a U.S.-Saudi defense alliance, were the two incentives Biden offered in exchange for normalizing relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Israel has voiced significant reservations about Saudi Arabia's potential nuclear program, even if intended for peaceful purposes. Additionally, the Saudis have warned that if Iran develops nuclear weapons, they too will pursue them.

Although the path to a nuclear agreement with Saudi Arabia is long and Riyadh isn't yet ready to accept the restrictive conditions involved, as Wright said, "There are many ways to structure an agreement so as to achieve both Saudi and American goals." However, one thing he "forgot" to mention was normalization with Israel as a condition for the nuclear agreement.
https://archive.is/Lw0Kt#selection-1449.0-1473.364

[Winehole23]

The truce with the Houthis took Israel by surprise

It doesn't appear that Israel is in the room for Trump's plans for Gaza, Iran and Syria either

Ron Dermer's latest WH visit probably means that Netanyahu is back in Trump's doghouse -- this time (reportedly) for trying to get US to attack Iran



The United States is no longer demanding Saudi Arabia normalise ties with Israel as a condition for progress on civil nuclear cooperation talks (https://www.reuters.com/world/why-does-saudi-arabia-want-civil-nuclear-deal-with-us-2025-05-08/), two sources with knowledge of the matter told Reuters ahead of U.S. President Donald Trump's visit (https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-planning-visit-saudi-arabia-mid-may-axios-reports-2025-03-30/) next week.

Dropping the demand that Saudi Arabia establish diplomatic relations with Israel would be a major concession by Washington. Under former President Joe Biden, nuclear talks were an element of a wider U.S.-Saudi deal tied to normalisation and to Riyadh's goal of a defence treaty with Washington.

https://www.reuters.com/world/under-trump-saudi-civil-nuclear-talks-delinked-israel-recognition-sources-say-2025-05-08/